January 20, 2025 • 24 mins
Cody Patterson used to live and breathe politics, running a successful campaign and consulting other candidates in pursuit of winning an election. He joined me on Inauguration Day 2025 to discuss President Trump's aggressive sttyle, ambitious agenda, and the challenges in implementing it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Paul Miles DOS Radio eighty w h A S.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
All right, first things first, Happy National DJ Day. That's right.
I just realized that a little over an hour ago
and most of my day was a wash with the inauguration,
that I had to go to physical therapy. I cranked
my back again a week or so ago, so I
did an hour and a half of that and then, uh,
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you know, came to work and it's like, hey, there's
some very few people here. It's Doctor Martin Luther King Day,
of course, so it just we we work on a
skeleton crew because it's a holiday and we have to
you know, we have to have some warm bodies here,
so obviously we they give us a different day off
to honor doctor Martin Luther King. But I'm here at work,
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Paul Miles, Rick Ryder's here today, and you heard Gus Allen.
Everything else. Ghost Town has been rolling along. I mean
they did that swearing in at noon or actually a
minute or two afternoon, and then there are parties going on,
and so we're going to discuss that in and out
throughout the course of the afternoon. We will get to
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basketball eventually. I know, we haven't even mentioned it yet,
but Louisville with that nice win. Well, Paul mentioned it
in the news, but we haven't done a sportscast that
mentions that yet. But we'll get around to that. Pat
Kelsey's like, I don't want to hear about the top
twenty five. We are focused on the next game, which
is SMU tomorrow night down in Dallas. And then of
course Kentucky lost to Bama. But that's okay. They fell
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back one click in the top twenty five to number nine.
Louisville's in the top twenty five at the final position,
and you know we'll get into all that, and yes,
a college national championships, right. Well, my next guest is
a guy we typically talk about college football because he's
a Georgia Dogs guy, Cody Patterson. Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It is an honor if we're talking about skeleton crew.
It's an honor to join you in the cemetery today.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Usually we're discussing college sports, but you also had a
little bit of a political background from years ago. You
worked in Frankfurt.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I did. I worked as a member of Governor Bevan's administration,
and then after that I left and I was a
political consultant for about eighteen months and ended up running
a statewide campaign which was successful and historic, and then
I quit while I was ahead, and I got out entirely.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That is brutal stuff. It is the whole notion of
running a campaign, because the pressure is NonStop.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And the news never stops. And I mean when I
served in Frankfurt, this was right as the Trump era
was starting, and so politics was always a touchy subject.
Be careful at Thanksgiving, but it just ratcheted way up.
And of course Bevin was somewhat of a disruptor in
terms of the political story of Kentucky. And I remember
inauguration Day and there is just a beautiful decorum about
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the transition the He's full transition of power. And as
someone who had a front seat to history when Jane
Hampton was the first African American statewide official ever inaugurated
in Kentucky history, this is just incredible. To see the
men and women of our armed services dressed to the nines,
people handshake in speeches, to see one president ride in
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a limousine with another, That's beautiful stuff. And I love
that as someone who's served in it. What is Joe
Biden's legacy. It's tough because it's murky, and these pardons really,
like Governor Bevin, hang with you, don't they They do.
And I believe after Bevin left, and some might have
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to fact check me on this, I believe the legislature
may have passed a bill that doesn't allow you to
do it so close to the end of your term.
But preemptive pardons are scary from my perspective because it's
like you, I could get a preemptive pardon to do
whatever right, and that doesn't seem to set right. But
I think Joe Biden's legacy probably over the long haul,
because he served so long in government, he'll be looked
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upon as more of a probably elder statesman, successful senator,
probably not a great president with all the upheaval and
economic struggles, and I just and the failure for his
vice president to become president.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I think the Democrats have been distracted by sidebar issues
lots of times instead of focusing on the economy first.
What it comes down to for most Americans is how
much money can I make at my job and then
be able to afford rent or pay the mortgage and
the taxes and as everything kept creeping higher and higher
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and higher. People just felt the pressure from that. But
instead we're worried about a Supreme Court nominee who can't
define what a woman is. And it's like we're getting
way off the path here.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I think you're right, Terry. Most people in America want
a job that they can provide well for their family.
They want to be able to it's something back for retirement.
They want to know that they can provide a secure,
open future for their children, and they honestly just want
to be left alone. I've met very few people who
are like come disrupt by life, you know, and like
who are wanting more people up in their business. And
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so I think with Trump, he can argue he did
get a mandate, he's got all of Congress, he won
the popular vote, he won the electoral College, and you're
going to see even later today he is going to
start dealing out these executive orders. He made it very
clear earlier what he's prioritized and what he's going to
be doing in the coming hours.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, I'm curious to see what all those are. We
obviously know that the border was issue one for him.
We're going to immediately within the first hour of being
sworn in, do something sign an order. I saw him
on the monitor a little while ago signing documents. But
Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jefferies, the Democrat leaders, were there,
and I don't know what that ceremony was exactly. But
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we're going to talk on an ABC news person here
in a little while and updates on what's signed and
what is expected to be signed. But for Joe Biden
to fly away today, he still has to be happy
about five decades of service. And he was really topsy
turvy guy. Too controversial all the way back in the
nineties with the crime Bill. Some of the phrasing he
used was thrown up in his face in recent years
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that sounded very racist.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well, and you think about it's just staggering when you
think about in nineteen seventy two, he was the youngest
member of the Senate. He was twenty nine years old,
and for him to have a career that spanned until
he was eighty two culminating in the presidency is pretty remarkable.
And people forget he ran for president two other times
and was basically told by Obama in twenty sixteen, don't
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do this, and then we went on to see what
happened with Secretary Clinton, and then you know, Donald Trump
before he became president the first time. So I think
in probably over the long haul, he'll be seen with
more pity than prestige.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Joe Biden's administration, though they had at it with Donald
Trump over the four years of the Biden administration, how
they beat him down. He's a convicted felon, you know,
how all this that whatever there was just he's doing
seven different courtrooms in a week's time or whatever. It's
just insanity like we've never seen in American history. Why
did the public elect to put Donald Trump back in
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with all the encumbrance that he has in the legal realm?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So I think you hit on it earlier. Economy's number one.
But I think at the end of the day, Trump
is a doer. He is someone who gets stuff done. Now,
you can argue till you're blue in the face that
he just you know, he's all talking, no action. But
when you look at when he was president the first time,
things are going pretty good for most of us in
terms of you know, taxes got cut, stock market was
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going bananas, and then we got hit with this global
pandemic that disrupted everything. And you know, people argue, but remember,
he's the one who operation warp speed. People forget you
know that he's the one who engineered the creation of
that vaccine so quickly. But I think most people want
to feel safe. You got a lot of stuff going
on in the world with Israel and Hamash, You've got
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Ukraine and Russia. And Donald Trump made it very clear
that he is not someone in his first term that
you're going to mess with. The man went to North
Korea and walked on North Korean.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Soil, Bizarrow, it was wild.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I mean, you talk about bold and confident, and people
like that. They want somebody who's strong and who projects American.
And I think something that Trump hit on today ambition.
Ambition is something that every American has, I think deep
in their heart. They want something better, they want to
continue growing. And Trump, if anything, is the ultimate symbol
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of ambition.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
But I'm not seeing the Democrat side acknowledge these things.
All they're saying is, oh, so you put a felon
in there just to lower the price of eggs. It's like,
are you really kind of missing the overall picture? And
if that's the way you think, you're never going to
win again until you get right with the concept that
I started with. People go to work, they pay taxes.
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They watched their tax money dithered up with in so
many ways that it's frustrating, makes them angry that so
much of the money is taken from them and then
they see how it's used. I think it drives people crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Well, and it's just the inefficiency of government, right. And
I think Trump is a businessman. Business and government are different,
but we all want to see efficiency in government. I
think that is a good thing that everybody supports. That
people should be able to look forward to. One thing
that you mentioned earlier about, you know, democratic perspective. I
remember watching a panel. You know, everything has a panel
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these days. I mean, you know, the dog catcher hits
a scorn, like, let's bring in our twenty eight member
panel and they all argue over the dog catcher and
what that means. But one of the Democratic advisors to
Biden just made the comment, she said, you know, really,
what this comes down to is a failure of communication.
We were unable to successfully communicate with the American people.
And what I love is Scott Jennings, Kentuckian is sitting
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on that same panel he used to work on this show,
and he said, yeah, that's not the problem. He said,
the problem is your policies. And until you own that
your policies are not popular, we're going to continue to
beat you. And it was such an amazing moment on
television to see. But I think that's the truth.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Well, there'll be a literal come to Jesus meeting eventually
for Democrats who are smart, who are going to say,
we have to reposition ourselves on certain things and stop
stop gravitating toward the outrageous all the time. Because one
outrageous voice on TikTok says whatever, and then we all
have to go and stand behind him and wear a
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lapel pen to defend this loud person over here. It's
like enough, already, get back to mainline worrying about how
people can pay their bills. It's always going to come first. Well,
and you think, you think too. This is an unprecedented
time in the fact that this will be the third
consecutive one term presidency. So Trump was in one term,
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Biden was in one term, Trump again for one term,
and a lot of people are kind of Democrats are
already looking at twenty twenty eight is like the open moment.
This is our reset, and I think, you know, if
Trump is successful, and he may do some very unusual things.
I mean, when you stand in front of the world
and you say, yeah, that Panama Canal, ya, we're going
to take it back.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
That's bold. Or when you rename the Gulf of America.
I mean, he's he's drawing lines in the sand that
are unconventional. And I think if he's able to continue
building on the economic success of his first term, you
could see Republicans go on a run like they haven't
since the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
We're going to do another segment here in just a bit,
just talking about, you know, the direction for both parties
and obviously what's ahead for the Trump team that's in
place now. And then there are the uh variables we
can't see down the road. What could change between now
and the next time there's an election cycle. But man,
oh man, the wheels are rolling hard today. That's right,
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no two ways about it. Cody Patterson and studio and me.
We're coming back in a few on news radio. Wait
forty whas some people feel like they're being trump rolled
today that of a Rick roll. But Donald Trump is
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now your forty seventh presidents of the United States wore
in a few hours ago. Cody Patterson is in his
studio with me. We decided we'd discussed politics a little
bit today. He's got a little bit of a background
in that area. Because you ran a successful campaign for
someone else, you ran their campaign I did.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, serving as a campaign manager was an exhausting, illuminating,
entertaining and educating experience. And it was a state treasures
race and it wasn't anything spicy, So nobody gets wound
up about unclaimed property.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Nonetheless, it's a job. Think all the people who invested
in Kamala Harris. Over a billion dollars was raised by
that campaign. What do those folks do once Trump became
the winner? It was known in November. Since then it's
been a couple of months. Obviously, do people jockey and
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getting repositioned and just hope that they can get acknowledged
by the other side that they were betting against.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Man, if I were in their shoes, I'd be calling
my bank like, yeah, that charged from November.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That that wasn't me? Can I get my money back?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
But it's interesting because you see all the news stories already. Oh,
this is a perfect reset for Kamala Harris. It's just
what the doctor ordered. And then you watch her on
the TV today and it's excruciating. I mean, I can
empathize with her having run and you have to inaugurate
the person you ran against. But they think she might
run for governor, she might run for president again. Her
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career is not over, and she's going to reach out
to the same people wanting money all over again.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, and that's a tough sell because obviously people went
all in. I know she only had a few months
to win over people, but really I thought that worked
to her advantage that people weren't able to pick her
apart like you do a campaign that's two years into
all of the analysis that goes on. I don't think I.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Heard the word vibing more in my life than when
she became the nominee, you know, the whole like did
you ball out.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Of a coconut tree?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
And people were all about her vibes. But then when
she started interviewing with the press and they're like pushing
through the curtain and wanting to talk with her about policies,
she fell apart and people forget she quit the twenty
twenty race before a primary vote was cast, and that
should have been all they needed to know. I mean,
Biden obviously had to get out after the debate. He
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was fully exposed for where he was mentally, but the
backup plan failed.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Trump's old, Biden is old, Kamala is not. Jd Vance
is not He's not. So this could be interesting in
four years. I just don't see that Kamala would be
able to raise money. You get one bite of the
apple and that's that.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
It's interesting because I'm a millennial, right. I turned thirty
five in a few weeks, and so to me, sixty
does kind of feel old. I don't mean that like
you're geriatric and I've taken you off to the nursing
home or anything, But I just mean when you say, oh,
she's young, it's like I want a president that has
a six year old like me. That would be awesome
because I would know, hey, you know, he might be
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nighttime potty training just like me, except he's in the
White House. He puts his pants on just like me,
one leg at a time. Compared to I cannot relate
to an eighty two year old guy or gal right understood.
So I think it's exciting for Vance and there could
be a rematch, but I think Vance is in prime
pole position here to be the nominee if Trump is successful.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Who's the lead Democrat? Now? Starting today, Trump administration's in.
They've got all They've got both Houses of Congress, they
have a Supreme Court of we have the White House.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, it's interesting because you know, Andy's name was
Andy Basher, our governor. His name was really hot in
the VP race, and a lot of people were thinking,
maybe we go with a Midwestern, more blue collar, Sunday
school type Democrat. I would not be surprised if Democrats
moved to the sidelines Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsome of the World,
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Bernie Sanders, and they go for someone like a Gretchen
Whitmer or it was Andy Basher.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But Andy's a white male, a straight white male. And
that's the antithesis of what the messaging is that comes
out of the Democratic Party. We're all about the other folks.
Too much time spent for straight white males in the
Oval office. And so the direction is they're always pushed
to say, you know what, we need an alternative to
that and a lot of people will just stand on
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and say, well, it was all the only reason Kamala
didn't win. She's brown. She's a brown person, and we
had that debate whether or not she's Indian descent or
an American or you know, people get into all that stuff.
Here is a Gail King on CBS a few hours ago,
and guess I have to.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Say, I'm looking at this crowd. I do not see
many people of color any does anybody else besides me
observe that. I'm fascinated by why that is?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
We're not fascinated by it? When do we stop with this?
Everything is? You know, the preacher that got up there
was unbelievable. But there are so many African American and
brown people from various cultures in the room. I mean,
look a little bit harder.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
That just when you lead with that is the focus.
If we go back to our earlier point in the conversation,
I want to work hard. I want to say for retirement,
I want to provide with my children. Race doesn't enter in.
I think that's a universal desire. People want better tomorrow
for their children. It doesn't matter what race you are,
what ethnicity. If you're a man or a woman. Everybody
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wants that deep down. Barack Obama had two terms. He
got more votes a second time around, So this notion
of people won't vote for somewhat of color stop. I
remember in college when Barack Obama was elected. I was
in Athens at the University of Georgia, Go Dogs, and
I remember him or someone on TV saying we now
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live in a post racial America. And I was foolish
enough to believe him, terry that I thought, this is amazing, right,
and now we're going all the way back to this
stuff that we have work to do. We haven't made it,
and I think a lot of Middle America is frustrated
by that.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You can't make it unless whitey helps you up, White
savior helps you up. I mean that notion is kind
of It's like, are we playing that again? But Gail
King is sixty five, seventy years old. I don't know
how old she is, but she's playing the same card
over and over again. It's like, I think the culture
is moving beyond that now.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
And does she forget that Donald Trump got a historic
number of African American votes, a historic number of Hispanic
votes in this last election, So his messaging and his
policies and his and his aspirations appeal to a cross
section of the American public. You cannot dispute that factually.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Okay, we did discuss earlier about Trump's plans in the
later part of today, where he's going to sign a
bunch of executive orders, but in the first one hundred days,
you've got to get things cranking for sure, because really
they have two years before he can't run again. So
he moves into lame duck status essentially after the next
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election in two years. Because people think, well the Congress
changes goes back to Democrat control, that Trump's is going
to be fighting them the whole time.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Well, and I got to give Donald Trump credit. Donald
Trump is tougher than a two dollars stake, Terry. I mean,
nothing seems to keep him down, or you know, he
always seems to come up. But here's the conversation that
I've noticed, and you talk to different people in politics now,
and the debate right now is Trump wants to get
everything he wants in a gigantic what's called omnibus bill.
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He wants to do taxes, he wants to do border
he wants to do you know, end climate stuff in
one bill, and a lot of legislators are asking him,
can we please do two bills because tax debate is complicated,
it takes time, and it might go off the rails.
It could go off the rails depend with such small majorities.
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But I think Trump's strategy of a one giant bill
is smart because everybody's got to give a little. I
think it's more likely that you end up with the
first bill that they try to pass does immigration and
border security and things like that, and the second bill
is probably to negotiate the tax cuts, you know, to
get those going again. So he's got a big challenge
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in front of him. But it also the fact that
he brought everybody down tomorrow Largo. He's whining and dining.
I think was smart on his part. And I also
think he could be the kind of guy that when
he's one on one with somebody he anticipates could give
him problems. He could be that kind of guy like
you know that that nice laundry mat you got, man,
it would be a shame of something happened at laundroment,
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you know, kind of almost mafiesque intimidation. But he's going
to get to duty once. That's that's the truth of
the election.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I mentioned that Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries obviously have
prominent roles today, but they were there for assigning Amy
Klovishar is in charge of this transition, this inauguration. She's smiling,
she's sucking it up. She's a Democrat who hates Trump.
She goes on to MSNBC and just wants to throw up,
but she's there, shaking hands, smiling, doing what she has
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to do. I don't know that we're going to see
any more high profile moment, at least for the next
few years of Nancy Pelosi tearing up the State of
the Union speech, that sort of imagery. And then Trump
did say today a little while ago, you know, Chuck
Schumer was there. We talked to whatever, and I said, hey,
we need to just we got to come together here
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a little bit more so, is there a chance that
there could be some more unified passage of legislation.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I think you will see more bipartisan legislation for a
number of reasons. I think number one, the election results
speak for themselves. So any Democrats who are in suburban
areas or rural areas took. Notice you look at John Fetterman.
The guy has completely evolved since he first came in.
It does still annoy me that he wears shorts and
hoodies to the Senate Chamber.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
He did it today.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I mean, I guess there's an every man appeal. Anyways,
he's come all around, he's embracing Trump, He's planning to
vote for all of his nominees. And I think that
he recognizes that the electorate of Pennsylvania loves Donald Trump
and he should be representative of his people. But I
think the hardcore folks on the left will continue to
do the resistance, but you will see mainstream Democrats push
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them farther and farther to the side because they've proven
now for almost ten years, it doesn't work. Barack Obama
didn't run on those types of issues. Remember he I'm
the president. There's not blue states, there's not red states,
there's just Amerka, and he ran on that type of message.
So I don't think that you're going to see that
type of You'll see the resistance type democrats, but I
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do believe you'll see a lot of these Democrats voting
for these text immigration. You'll probably see a farm bill.
There's all kinds of things that I think you will
see get done with bipartisan votes.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
We all saw Barack Obama sitting next to Donald Trump
at Jimmy Carter's funeral, the two of them chatting. Kamala
turns around and looks at him, and it just the
look on her face was like, oh my God. And
it's just like, I don't know, maybe there's just more
gentility after the whole race of he's hitler, he's an
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existential threat to democracy. It's like, Okay, where are the
soldiers in the streets, where are the internment camps? What
time do the tribunals start? All that hysteria that people
love throwing out, and then it's just like wow, wow.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think the only armored vehicle we might see is
going to go to Baltimore and take Mark Andrews far
far away from the United States of America after the
drop in the playoff game. But I think that, yeah,
the hysteria is part of the game, right. You got
to play the game. You gotta spin your message, you
got to go for it. But I think at the
end of the day, you can make when Donald Trump
wins a popular vote, what do you say that? And
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I think the presidency is a special fraternity of men,
and eventually, I'm sure a woman will be elected president.
But if you've been in the role, you can empathize
with the guys coming in the guy's going out.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's it, Cody, it's great talking to you. I appreciate it.
Are you gonna hang around?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, let's hey, we talk sports whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Terry. We have to talk college football a little bit
later on because you're such a fan.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
You of your dogs. That's right. You already mentioned your dogs,
but it's not the dogs tonight. We have a national
championship game coming. We'll do another segment a little bit later.
Sounds Cody Patterson, We're backing a few on news Radio
eight forty whas.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
This report is sponsored by Breaks for Less
I'm Paul Miles DOS Radio eighty w h A S.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
All right, first things first, Happy National DJ Day. That's right.
I just realized that a little over an hour ago
and most of my day was a wash with the inauguration,
that I had to go to physical therapy. I cranked
my back again a week or so ago, so I
did an hour and a half of that and then, uh,
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you know, came to work and it's like, hey, there's
some very few people here. It's Doctor Martin Luther King Day,
of course, so it just we we work on a
skeleton crew because it's a holiday and we have to
you know, we have to have some warm bodies here,
so obviously we they give us a different day off
to honor doctor Martin Luther King. But I'm here at work,
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Paul Miles, Rick Ryder's here today, and you heard Gus Allen.
Everything else. Ghost Town has been rolling along. I mean
they did that swearing in at noon or actually a
minute or two afternoon, and then there are parties going on,
and so we're going to discuss that in and out
throughout the course of the afternoon. We will get to
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basketball eventually. I know, we haven't even mentioned it yet,
but Louisville with that nice win. Well, Paul mentioned it
in the news, but we haven't done a sportscast that
mentions that yet. But we'll get around to that. Pat
Kelsey's like, I don't want to hear about the top
twenty five. We are focused on the next game, which
is SMU tomorrow night down in Dallas. And then of
course Kentucky lost to Bama. But that's okay. They fell
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back one click in the top twenty five to number nine.
Louisville's in the top twenty five at the final position,
and you know we'll get into all that, and yes,
a college national championships, right. Well, my next guest is
a guy we typically talk about college football because he's
a Georgia Dogs guy, Cody Patterson. Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It is an honor if we're talking about skeleton crew.
It's an honor to join you in the cemetery today.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Usually we're discussing college sports, but you also had a
little bit of a political background from years ago. You
worked in Frankfurt.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I did. I worked as a member of Governor Bevan's administration,
and then after that I left and I was a
political consultant for about eighteen months and ended up running
a statewide campaign which was successful and historic, and then
I quit while I was ahead, and I got out entirely.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That is brutal stuff. It is the whole notion of
running a campaign, because the pressure is NonStop.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And the news never stops. And I mean when I
served in Frankfurt, this was right as the Trump era
was starting, and so politics was always a touchy subject.
Be careful at Thanksgiving, but it just ratcheted way up.
And of course Bevin was somewhat of a disruptor in
terms of the political story of Kentucky. And I remember
inauguration Day and there is just a beautiful decorum about
(02:59):
the transition the He's full transition of power. And as
someone who had a front seat to history when Jane
Hampton was the first African American statewide official ever inaugurated
in Kentucky history, this is just incredible. To see the
men and women of our armed services dressed to the nines,
people handshake in speeches, to see one president ride in
(03:20):
a limousine with another, That's beautiful stuff. And I love
that as someone who's served in it. What is Joe
Biden's legacy. It's tough because it's murky, and these pardons really,
like Governor Bevin, hang with you, don't they They do.
And I believe after Bevin left, and some might have
(03:42):
to fact check me on this, I believe the legislature
may have passed a bill that doesn't allow you to
do it so close to the end of your term.
But preemptive pardons are scary from my perspective because it's
like you, I could get a preemptive pardon to do
whatever right, and that doesn't seem to set right. But
I think Joe Biden's legacy probably over the long haul,
because he served so long in government, he'll be looked
(04:06):
upon as more of a probably elder statesman, successful senator,
probably not a great president with all the upheaval and
economic struggles, and I just and the failure for his
vice president to become president.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I think the Democrats have been distracted by sidebar issues
lots of times instead of focusing on the economy first.
What it comes down to for most Americans is how
much money can I make at my job and then
be able to afford rent or pay the mortgage and
the taxes and as everything kept creeping higher and higher
(04:40):
and higher. People just felt the pressure from that. But
instead we're worried about a Supreme Court nominee who can't
define what a woman is. And it's like we're getting
way off the path here.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I think you're right, Terry. Most people in America want
a job that they can provide well for their family.
They want to be able to it's something back for retirement.
They want to know that they can provide a secure,
open future for their children, and they honestly just want
to be left alone. I've met very few people who
are like come disrupt by life, you know, and like
who are wanting more people up in their business. And
(05:15):
so I think with Trump, he can argue he did
get a mandate, he's got all of Congress, he won
the popular vote, he won the electoral College, and you're
going to see even later today he is going to
start dealing out these executive orders. He made it very
clear earlier what he's prioritized and what he's going to
be doing in the coming hours.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, I'm curious to see what all those are. We
obviously know that the border was issue one for him.
We're going to immediately within the first hour of being
sworn in, do something sign an order. I saw him
on the monitor a little while ago signing documents. But
Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jefferies, the Democrat leaders, were there,
and I don't know what that ceremony was exactly. But
(05:57):
we're going to talk on an ABC news person here
in a little while and updates on what's signed and
what is expected to be signed. But for Joe Biden
to fly away today, he still has to be happy
about five decades of service. And he was really topsy
turvy guy. Too controversial all the way back in the
nineties with the crime Bill. Some of the phrasing he
used was thrown up in his face in recent years
(06:19):
that sounded very racist.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well, and you think about it's just staggering when you
think about in nineteen seventy two, he was the youngest
member of the Senate. He was twenty nine years old,
and for him to have a career that spanned until
he was eighty two culminating in the presidency is pretty remarkable.
And people forget he ran for president two other times
and was basically told by Obama in twenty sixteen, don't
(06:42):
do this, and then we went on to see what
happened with Secretary Clinton, and then you know, Donald Trump
before he became president the first time. So I think
in probably over the long haul, he'll be seen with
more pity than prestige.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Joe Biden's administration, though they had at it with Donald
Trump over the four years of the Biden administration, how
they beat him down. He's a convicted felon, you know,
how all this that whatever there was just he's doing
seven different courtrooms in a week's time or whatever. It's
just insanity like we've never seen in American history. Why
did the public elect to put Donald Trump back in
(07:20):
with all the encumbrance that he has in the legal realm?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So I think you hit on it earlier. Economy's number one.
But I think at the end of the day, Trump
is a doer. He is someone who gets stuff done. Now,
you can argue till you're blue in the face that
he just you know, he's all talking, no action. But
when you look at when he was president the first time,
things are going pretty good for most of us in
terms of you know, taxes got cut, stock market was
(07:46):
going bananas, and then we got hit with this global
pandemic that disrupted everything. And you know, people argue, but remember,
he's the one who operation warp speed. People forget you
know that he's the one who engineered the creation of
that vaccine so quickly. But I think most people want
to feel safe. You got a lot of stuff going
on in the world with Israel and Hamash, You've got
(08:08):
Ukraine and Russia. And Donald Trump made it very clear
that he is not someone in his first term that
you're going to mess with. The man went to North
Korea and walked on North Korean.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Soil, Bizarrow, it was wild.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I mean, you talk about bold and confident, and people
like that. They want somebody who's strong and who projects American.
And I think something that Trump hit on today ambition.
Ambition is something that every American has, I think deep
in their heart. They want something better, they want to
continue growing. And Trump, if anything, is the ultimate symbol
(08:42):
of ambition.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
But I'm not seeing the Democrat side acknowledge these things.
All they're saying is, oh, so you put a felon
in there just to lower the price of eggs. It's like,
are you really kind of missing the overall picture? And
if that's the way you think, you're never going to
win again until you get right with the concept that
I started with. People go to work, they pay taxes.
(09:08):
They watched their tax money dithered up with in so
many ways that it's frustrating, makes them angry that so
much of the money is taken from them and then
they see how it's used. I think it drives people crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Well, and it's just the inefficiency of government, right. And
I think Trump is a businessman. Business and government are different,
but we all want to see efficiency in government. I
think that is a good thing that everybody supports. That
people should be able to look forward to. One thing
that you mentioned earlier about, you know, democratic perspective. I
remember watching a panel. You know, everything has a panel
(09:44):
these days. I mean, you know, the dog catcher hits
a scorn, like, let's bring in our twenty eight member
panel and they all argue over the dog catcher and
what that means. But one of the Democratic advisors to
Biden just made the comment, she said, you know, really,
what this comes down to is a failure of communication.
We were unable to successfully communicate with the American people.
And what I love is Scott Jennings, Kentuckian is sitting
(10:05):
on that same panel he used to work on this show,
and he said, yeah, that's not the problem. He said,
the problem is your policies. And until you own that
your policies are not popular, we're going to continue to
beat you. And it was such an amazing moment on
television to see. But I think that's the truth.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Well, there'll be a literal come to Jesus meeting eventually
for Democrats who are smart, who are going to say,
we have to reposition ourselves on certain things and stop
stop gravitating toward the outrageous all the time. Because one
outrageous voice on TikTok says whatever, and then we all
have to go and stand behind him and wear a
(10:41):
lapel pen to defend this loud person over here. It's
like enough, already, get back to mainline worrying about how
people can pay their bills. It's always going to come first. Well,
and you think, you think too. This is an unprecedented
time in the fact that this will be the third
consecutive one term presidency. So Trump was in one term,
(11:04):
Biden was in one term, Trump again for one term,
and a lot of people are kind of Democrats are
already looking at twenty twenty eight is like the open moment.
This is our reset, and I think, you know, if
Trump is successful, and he may do some very unusual things.
I mean, when you stand in front of the world
and you say, yeah, that Panama Canal, ya, we're going
to take it back.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
That's bold. Or when you rename the Gulf of America.
I mean, he's he's drawing lines in the sand that
are unconventional. And I think if he's able to continue
building on the economic success of his first term, you
could see Republicans go on a run like they haven't
since the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
We're going to do another segment here in just a bit,
just talking about, you know, the direction for both parties
and obviously what's ahead for the Trump team that's in
place now. And then there are the uh variables we
can't see down the road. What could change between now
and the next time there's an election cycle. But man,
oh man, the wheels are rolling hard today. That's right,
(12:07):
no two ways about it. Cody Patterson and studio and me.
We're coming back in a few on news radio. Wait
forty whas some people feel like they're being trump rolled
today that of a Rick roll. But Donald Trump is
(12:27):
now your forty seventh presidents of the United States wore
in a few hours ago. Cody Patterson is in his
studio with me. We decided we'd discussed politics a little
bit today. He's got a little bit of a background
in that area. Because you ran a successful campaign for
someone else, you ran their campaign I did.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, serving as a campaign manager was an exhausting, illuminating,
entertaining and educating experience. And it was a state treasures
race and it wasn't anything spicy, So nobody gets wound
up about unclaimed property.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Nonetheless, it's a job. Think all the people who invested
in Kamala Harris. Over a billion dollars was raised by
that campaign. What do those folks do once Trump became
the winner? It was known in November. Since then it's
been a couple of months. Obviously, do people jockey and
(13:22):
getting repositioned and just hope that they can get acknowledged
by the other side that they were betting against.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Man, if I were in their shoes, I'd be calling
my bank like, yeah, that charged from November.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That that wasn't me? Can I get my money back?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
But it's interesting because you see all the news stories already. Oh,
this is a perfect reset for Kamala Harris. It's just
what the doctor ordered. And then you watch her on
the TV today and it's excruciating. I mean, I can
empathize with her having run and you have to inaugurate
the person you ran against. But they think she might
run for governor, she might run for president again. Her
(13:57):
career is not over, and she's going to reach out
to the same people wanting money all over again.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, and that's a tough sell because obviously people went
all in. I know she only had a few months
to win over people, but really I thought that worked
to her advantage that people weren't able to pick her
apart like you do a campaign that's two years into
all of the analysis that goes on. I don't think I.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Heard the word vibing more in my life than when
she became the nominee, you know, the whole like did
you ball out.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Of a coconut tree?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
And people were all about her vibes. But then when
she started interviewing with the press and they're like pushing
through the curtain and wanting to talk with her about policies,
she fell apart and people forget she quit the twenty
twenty race before a primary vote was cast, and that
should have been all they needed to know. I mean,
Biden obviously had to get out after the debate. He
(14:51):
was fully exposed for where he was mentally, but the
backup plan failed.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Trump's old, Biden is old, Kamala is not. Jd Vance
is not He's not. So this could be interesting in
four years. I just don't see that Kamala would be
able to raise money. You get one bite of the
apple and that's that.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
It's interesting because I'm a millennial, right. I turned thirty
five in a few weeks, and so to me, sixty
does kind of feel old. I don't mean that like
you're geriatric and I've taken you off to the nursing
home or anything, But I just mean when you say, oh,
she's young, it's like I want a president that has
a six year old like me. That would be awesome
because I would know, hey, you know, he might be
(15:31):
nighttime potty training just like me, except he's in the
White House. He puts his pants on just like me,
one leg at a time. Compared to I cannot relate
to an eighty two year old guy or gal right understood.
So I think it's exciting for Vance and there could
be a rematch, but I think Vance is in prime
pole position here to be the nominee if Trump is successful.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Who's the lead Democrat? Now? Starting today, Trump administration's in.
They've got all They've got both Houses of Congress, they
have a Supreme Court of we have the White House.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, it's interesting because you know, Andy's name was
Andy Basher, our governor. His name was really hot in
the VP race, and a lot of people were thinking,
maybe we go with a Midwestern, more blue collar, Sunday
school type Democrat. I would not be surprised if Democrats
moved to the sidelines Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsome of the World,
(16:24):
Bernie Sanders, and they go for someone like a Gretchen
Whitmer or it was Andy Basher.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But Andy's a white male, a straight white male. And
that's the antithesis of what the messaging is that comes
out of the Democratic Party. We're all about the other folks.
Too much time spent for straight white males in the
Oval office. And so the direction is they're always pushed
to say, you know what, we need an alternative to
that and a lot of people will just stand on
(16:51):
and say, well, it was all the only reason Kamala
didn't win. She's brown. She's a brown person, and we
had that debate whether or not she's Indian descent or
an American or you know, people get into all that stuff.
Here is a Gail King on CBS a few hours ago,
and guess I have to.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Say, I'm looking at this crowd. I do not see
many people of color any does anybody else besides me
observe that. I'm fascinated by why that is?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
We're not fascinated by it? When do we stop with this?
Everything is? You know, the preacher that got up there
was unbelievable. But there are so many African American and
brown people from various cultures in the room. I mean,
look a little bit harder.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
That just when you lead with that is the focus.
If we go back to our earlier point in the conversation,
I want to work hard. I want to say for retirement,
I want to provide with my children. Race doesn't enter in.
I think that's a universal desire. People want better tomorrow
for their children. It doesn't matter what race you are,
what ethnicity. If you're a man or a woman. Everybody
(17:54):
wants that deep down. Barack Obama had two terms. He
got more votes a second time around, So this notion
of people won't vote for somewhat of color stop. I
remember in college when Barack Obama was elected. I was
in Athens at the University of Georgia, Go Dogs, and
I remember him or someone on TV saying we now
(18:15):
live in a post racial America. And I was foolish
enough to believe him, terry that I thought, this is amazing, right,
and now we're going all the way back to this
stuff that we have work to do. We haven't made it,
and I think a lot of Middle America is frustrated
by that.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You can't make it unless whitey helps you up, White
savior helps you up. I mean that notion is kind
of It's like, are we playing that again? But Gail
King is sixty five, seventy years old. I don't know
how old she is, but she's playing the same card
over and over again. It's like, I think the culture
is moving beyond that now.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
And does she forget that Donald Trump got a historic
number of African American votes, a historic number of Hispanic
votes in this last election, So his messaging and his
policies and his and his aspirations appeal to a cross
section of the American public. You cannot dispute that factually.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Okay, we did discuss earlier about Trump's plans in the
later part of today, where he's going to sign a
bunch of executive orders, but in the first one hundred days,
you've got to get things cranking for sure, because really
they have two years before he can't run again. So
he moves into lame duck status essentially after the next
(19:29):
election in two years. Because people think, well the Congress
changes goes back to Democrat control, that Trump's is going
to be fighting them the whole time.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Well, and I got to give Donald Trump credit. Donald
Trump is tougher than a two dollars stake, Terry. I mean,
nothing seems to keep him down, or you know, he
always seems to come up. But here's the conversation that
I've noticed, and you talk to different people in politics now,
and the debate right now is Trump wants to get
everything he wants in a gigantic what's called omnibus bill.
(20:00):
He wants to do taxes, he wants to do border
he wants to do you know, end climate stuff in
one bill, and a lot of legislators are asking him,
can we please do two bills because tax debate is complicated,
it takes time, and it might go off the rails.
It could go off the rails depend with such small majorities.
(20:20):
But I think Trump's strategy of a one giant bill
is smart because everybody's got to give a little. I
think it's more likely that you end up with the
first bill that they try to pass does immigration and
border security and things like that, and the second bill
is probably to negotiate the tax cuts, you know, to
get those going again. So he's got a big challenge
(20:40):
in front of him. But it also the fact that
he brought everybody down tomorrow Largo. He's whining and dining.
I think was smart on his part. And I also
think he could be the kind of guy that when
he's one on one with somebody he anticipates could give
him problems. He could be that kind of guy like
you know that that nice laundry mat you got, man,
it would be a shame of something happened at laundroment,
(21:02):
you know, kind of almost mafiesque intimidation. But he's going
to get to duty once. That's that's the truth of
the election.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I mentioned that Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries obviously have
prominent roles today, but they were there for assigning Amy
Klovishar is in charge of this transition, this inauguration. She's smiling,
she's sucking it up. She's a Democrat who hates Trump.
She goes on to MSNBC and just wants to throw up,
but she's there, shaking hands, smiling, doing what she has
(21:29):
to do. I don't know that we're going to see
any more high profile moment, at least for the next
few years of Nancy Pelosi tearing up the State of
the Union speech, that sort of imagery. And then Trump
did say today a little while ago, you know, Chuck
Schumer was there. We talked to whatever, and I said, hey,
we need to just we got to come together here
(21:50):
a little bit more so, is there a chance that
there could be some more unified passage of legislation.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I think you will see more bipartisan legislation for a
number of reasons. I think number one, the election results
speak for themselves. So any Democrats who are in suburban
areas or rural areas took. Notice you look at John Fetterman.
The guy has completely evolved since he first came in.
It does still annoy me that he wears shorts and
hoodies to the Senate Chamber.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
He did it today.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I mean, I guess there's an every man appeal. Anyways,
he's come all around, he's embracing Trump, He's planning to
vote for all of his nominees. And I think that
he recognizes that the electorate of Pennsylvania loves Donald Trump
and he should be representative of his people. But I
think the hardcore folks on the left will continue to
do the resistance, but you will see mainstream Democrats push
(22:44):
them farther and farther to the side because they've proven
now for almost ten years, it doesn't work. Barack Obama
didn't run on those types of issues. Remember he I'm
the president. There's not blue states, there's not red states,
there's just Amerka, and he ran on that type of message.
So I don't think that you're going to see that
type of You'll see the resistance type democrats, but I
(23:06):
do believe you'll see a lot of these Democrats voting
for these text immigration. You'll probably see a farm bill.
There's all kinds of things that I think you will
see get done with bipartisan votes.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
We all saw Barack Obama sitting next to Donald Trump
at Jimmy Carter's funeral, the two of them chatting. Kamala
turns around and looks at him, and it just the
look on her face was like, oh my God. And
it's just like, I don't know, maybe there's just more
gentility after the whole race of he's hitler, he's an
(23:37):
existential threat to democracy. It's like, Okay, where are the
soldiers in the streets, where are the internment camps? What
time do the tribunals start? All that hysteria that people
love throwing out, and then it's just like wow, wow.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think the only armored vehicle we might see is
going to go to Baltimore and take Mark Andrews far
far away from the United States of America after the
drop in the playoff game. But I think that, yeah,
the hysteria is part of the game, right. You got
to play the game. You gotta spin your message, you
got to go for it. But I think at the
end of the day, you can make when Donald Trump
wins a popular vote, what do you say that? And
(24:13):
I think the presidency is a special fraternity of men,
and eventually, I'm sure a woman will be elected president.
But if you've been in the role, you can empathize
with the guys coming in the guy's going out.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's it, Cody, it's great talking to you. I appreciate it.
Are you gonna hang around?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, let's hey, we talk sports whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Terry. We have to talk college football a little bit
later on because you're such a fan.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
You of your dogs. That's right. You already mentioned your dogs,
but it's not the dogs tonight. We have a national
championship game coming. We'll do another segment a little bit later.
Sounds Cody Patterson, We're backing a few on news Radio
eight forty whas.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
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