November 6, 2024 • 16 mins
Congressman Morgan McGarvey discusses his Election Day experience as a candidate, what went wrong for the Harris campaign, and where the Democrat Party goes from here...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Congressman Morgan mcgarvey's in the studio with us. He represents
Kentucky's third district. Congratulations on another victory.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you, Terry, good to be here with you.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
That feeling never gets old, does it?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
No, it doesn't. And people ask you what it's like
on election day, and I'll tell you it is always
anxious that there's always nerves involved. It's that even if
you do your best, but you never know exactly how
it's going to go until the votes are counted. So
it is, it is truly always a blessing, always a
good feeling to win an election.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Do we know how the House makeup is set now?
Or that still states out west? We don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
We don't know the states out west. I mean, I
think what I can tell you without being rosy about it,
is it's gonna be close either way. In fact, earlier
today I saw one one model that had the Democrats
up to eighteen two seventeen, one model that had the
Republicans up to eighteen two seventeen. I think it's a thin,
a really thin needle for the Democrats to try to
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thread to get the majority still possible. I don't know
if I would go so far as say it's probable,
but still possible. I think either way it's going to
be very close in the house.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Well, natural, let's jump to the presidential race. What happened
yesterday with the enthusiasm that a lot of people felt
for Kamala Harris, and then we see the end result?
What through your democratic prism do you see?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah? You know, I think we're still unpacking a lot
of it. And we'll have to get into the numbers
and see exactly what happened. First of all, what happened
with the polling. Let's talk about for the third presidential
cycle in a row, the polling really was off in
these states. Let's go back. Let's look at all the numbers.
Let's look at where the turnout was happening. Let's look
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at where some of the disconnect is. I look not
just at the presidential states, but all the numbers from
across the country. Look at Florida, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana. In
those four states, deep red states, you saw voters a
greater than fifty percent of voters approve measures in Florida,
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in Missouri, in Montana that would make abortion access legal
in those states. It actually failed in Florida because it
needed sixty percent, but it got fifty seven percent of
the vote. You saw marijuana pass with fifty five percent
in Florida, needed sixty but over fifty percent of the vote. Kentucky,
you saw us overwhelmingly pass a piece of the constitutional
amendment that voted against the constitutional amendment that would have
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put public money in private schools. Montana, they had an
abortion thing that passed all for of those states democratic policies,
and then they voted for Donald Trump and they voted
for the Republican senators in those states. Missouri voted, they
voted to increase the minimum wage with fifty eight percent
of the vote and require paid family sickly and then
voted for Josh Holly while approving abortion and paid family sickleave.
(02:46):
So these things, the Democratic policies were winning. The Democratic
politicians were not. And how do we unpack that? As well?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
There's talk of how much vote totals differ from twenty
twenty to now, like maybe fifteen million fewer voters total.
How is that possible?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
The short answer, I don't know. And that's so I said,
I think, you know, as these numbers are coming in,
we're this is where we're digesting it in as real
time as everybody else. You know, I feel like people
would come up to me before the election, they say,
what's going to happen? What's the inside scooping? And clearly
I don't know if I had much fit inside scoop.
But we did have polling, we had information, We had
things that weren't necessarily available to everybody else. Now, the
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numbers as they're coming in, as they're being counted, we're
getting that in the same real time as everybody else.
Trying to figure out what is the difference between twenty
twenty and now. Is it enthusiasm, is it simply you know,
even look what happened in Kentucky, a lot of states
had it. We're voting was much much easier. We had
voting open a lot longer. In Kentucky. We had mail
(03:50):
voting in twenty twenty, if you remember. And then you
know this year we had kind of a disaster on
election day in Jefferson County with the polls being really
loa to react. What are the things that happen, How
does that manifest across the country, What exactly does it mean?
That's what we'll be looking into in the company.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You were about two to one over your opponent. Though,
did you know right away right at seven o'clock did
they just tell you boom you won?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
No, not at all, in fact, so we're sitting there.
Polls closed at six, so you know, we're kind of
waiting what's gonna happen. We thought we had they had
three days of early voting. We thought we get those
numbers pretty quickly. There were counties in Kentucky that had
all of their results reported before we got the first
set of numbers. I don't think the AP called my
race until close to nine o'clock, oh Tuesday nights. So
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even with kind of the margin we were able to
get out of here, we didn't know the exact numbers.
And I'm I'm both superstitious and I still think there's
a right way to do things. You know, I'm not
going to go on and make my speech or do
that until someone has called the race. I think you've
got to wait until that moment. And we did that, so,
you know, we were kind of waiting. My kindergartener's falling
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asleep there at the election party, and I thought we
get those numbers a little faster.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So you heard from the National Democrat Party at least
your your privy to information that goes on there. Where.
Do you think they went sideways with their messaging for
Kamala Harris and the Democrat Party down the line, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I think that's you can't sugarcoat the results of this election.
This was, uh, this was pretty much a Republican route,
especially on the presidential level. They they won and picked
up a lot of seats in the United States Senate.
The last I checked, and you know, we've been kind
of doing some different stuff today. The last I check,
they hadn't called the Pennsylvania Senate race yet, if I'm
(05:39):
not mistaken. I don't know if they've they've called that.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
One or not yet. I did not see that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
But so we're Sweet or Nevada. I don't think they've
called Pennsylvania or Nevada yet. But depending on how those go,
it could be a route in the Senate as well.
We'll see what happens in the House. We're gonna have
to look, like I said, democratic policies like reproductive rights,
like legalized marijuana, like increased benefits for workers. We're winning
(06:07):
in deeply read states, public education, winning in deeply deeply
read state, while while Democratic politicians were not. What is
the disconnect there? What does it mean what happens on
the national versus the state versus what I would call
the more local level. With your congressional seats, there's a
chance that the Democrats won't lose any seats in the
United States House of Representatives, even pick up a few seats.
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Even if we don't take the majority, we could pick
up a seat or two, or potentially take the majority.
It's a narrow, narrow chance that happens, but there's still
a chance that happens. So what's the disconnect there? I
think these are all things we're going to be doing
in the post mortem that just as not all the
numbers are in yet, we don't have enough information to
give the complete analysis.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
The Senate numbers right now are Republicans fifty two to
forty four Democrats. Obviously there are more to close out.
There are four more seats to close out, and on
your side of the aisle, it it's two hundred Republicans,
confirm versus one hundred and eighty three Democrats will will
know obviously as the hours well, no more.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And you know when you see those numbers too, like
when I hear the House numbers and I know more
of the races that are that are up in the
air right now, you're going out west, and we think
about it. Some of the races that haven't been called
in places like California, some of these races are Republican
or our Democrat, they just haven't called the race yet
we know kind of who's going to get them. There's
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there's a few seats in play we are still watching.
I mean, there's one seat in Nevada. We're watching that
where the Democrat incumbent right now has a very very
narrow lead over there over their challenger. Let's see how
these play out. Of course, if an incumbent wins, it
is different than if it's a flip because the math
works a little differently on that and how the seats go. Right,
So if if the Republican currently holds the seat, for example,
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and then they they lose it, that takes one away
from their total while adding one to the Democrat or
same as Republicans. So we'll watch to see what happens there.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But on the presidential front, there's still a lot of
talk of the Democrats ran on we're not Trump anybody
but Trump, and that's not enough of a message to
get across. Whereas I see a lot of people online
today who are Trump fans are saying they convicted him,
they they shot him, they've they've done all these things
to him, and he's he's just keeps rising like a phoenix,
(08:20):
and so people feel like he's been persecuted. A lot
of Trump fans do, and that the Democrats message of
just saying well, we're not Trump, he's he's a Nazi,
he's a fascist, he's this, that or whatever, is not sufficient.
It's not a sufficient platform.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Well, I don't think that was a Democrats message, uh,
for for starters. I mean, I think that Kamala Harris
campaigned clearly on the fact that she was looking to
restore reproductive rights, that the economic issues that she understands,
the cost of health care, the importance of everybody having
health care, the costs of goods, the cost of everyday
things we deal with, and and you know, while Joe
(08:58):
Biden had taken sort of a long term focus with manufacturing,
reinvesting in America, doing the infrastructure that he did, she
was looking at the short term of how do we
make things around your kitchen table more affordable. And Donald
Trump was campaigning on Project twenty twenty five and doing
things like a national abortion band, like getting rid of
the Department of Education. I think things that were very unpopular.
(09:20):
But somehow I don't think that's what people felt or
heard through whatever media they're absorbing. That's what the campaigns
were talking about. And if you watch the debate, you
can go back and kind of see. I mean, even
when asked about healthcare, Donald Trump said, I have concepts
of plans. He doesn't have a plan for what to
do with these everyday issues that impact Americans. But somehow
(09:44):
that's not what broke through. And I think we have
to look at that as well.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
But you just tied him to Project twenty twenty five.
He said, that's not his You just said national abortion ban.
He said, I'm not doing man, So that's your semantics
versus what he says.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
To be fair, he said he was in favor of it.
He took for overturning Roe v. Wade. Then he said
he's not in favor of it when they told him
it wasn't popular. And where does he end up on that?
He never really answers the question. I don't think he's
in favor of restoring reproductive rights for women across the country,
which Kamala Harris certainly is. And so I think with Trump,
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you know, he says a lot of things, oftentimes contradictory things,
and he says things to which he is either not
held account or or somehow he actually will say I
never said that, when then they show the clip of
him saying that, and they say, he says, you took
that out of context, and then they show the entire
clip of him saying and he's like, well, I didn't
say that, and he gets away with that somehow, And
(10:39):
so you know, I worry. I worry about him back
in office for those reasons, that type of divisive leadership,
that type of chaos, which I don't think people want
to see in government. But you know what, I'm the
kind of person. I accept the results of an election.
I accept the results of a democratic process. I've served
every day of my life in the minority since being
in office, you have, so you know, this is something
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I am used to doing. And I'm still going to
work to try and move the ball forward and get
things done here for people in Louisville. But I'm also,
you know, going to hold him to account and make
sure that I think the best things are happening for
the American people.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I was thinking when you were talking about Trump's they
show him a tape of him saying something and he goes, well,
I didn't say that or what, and then they show
him like the words people use all the time, I've evolved,
like Baraco bombin Hillary Clinton, though they were against gay marriage,
marriage between a man and a woman. Oh no, no,
I'm for it now, I've evolved. That's another phrase a
lot of people like to throw around.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It's funny, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Muhammad Ali famously said, if you show me someone who's
the same person they are at fifty five as they
were at twenty five, I'll show you a person who's
wasted thirty years. Right. You know, I'm okay with things,
you know, with people's understanding growing. I think Donald Trump
has used really divisive language. I think he has certainly
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been and lies in the past. You just look at
even at his campaign this time. I think one of
the things that's surprising about the results to many of
us who watched this, he was not running what people
consider a general election campaign a campaign meant to appeal
to a majority of Americans, it was still filled with
the hateful, divisive rhetoric, even on display at the Madison
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Square Garden rally from the people before him, and then
and then what he said on the stage that that's
the type of thing that is not thought of as
getting people into the fold.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I think people were smarter than that, though, the Madison
Square Garden thing that some comedian makes some crack about
Puerto Rico, and then suddenly the pundits were all jumping
on that that's gonna run Trump right off the edge.
And it's like you saw the Hispanic vote totals that
didn't that didn't ruffle a feather.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Didn't move anybody. And I think that's one of the
things we have to look at as well, right, you know,
is what is what is it that he is doing
that somehow or that didn't happen this time that ended
up in these results.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
It looked like a lot of working class anger and
condescension a lot of people. The pundits again are saying, well,
Democrats are better educated in general, and this or that
or whatever. But I think a lot of people are
kind of digging in their heels like you're calling me stupid.
I'll show you yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And I mean I hate condescension in anything, in anything period,
much less politics or government. And so what's interesting to me, though,
is that Donald Trump stated policies. Look at what he did.
One of the things I think we forget is he
was president for four years. People act like he wasn't president,
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and he didn't have the ability to do some of
these things. When you look at the Trump tax package,
much of which is still in law set to expire
at the end of twenty twenty five, there is no
mistake that those tax breaks went to the wealthiest individuals
and wealthiest corporations. Look at who his main cheerleader was
this time, Elon Musk, who in some type of bond
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villain way, was giving a million dollars to people if
they registered to vote. This is not the people are
who are taking their lunch to work in a cooler
and trying to make a better life for their family.
And Donald Trump didn't have He never stated a policy
to help. One of the things he even said, tariff's tariffs, tariffs.
The Wall Street Journal, no liberal bastion was saying, this
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is going to be a tax on everyday Americans to
the tune of about four thousand dollars per family. So
we never seemed to cut through the reality of what
he was saying to the perception of what he was saying.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
The market is up one five hundred and fifty points
right now. A lot of those people taking their lunch
paal to work are looking at retirement funds and going,
I like what I see so far.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, and us too. But you know, this is one
where if you look again, everybody has felt the pinch
since the pan endemic. I see it in our grocery bill.
I see it on our car insurance bill. I see
it in things that come across and my house. But
still when you look at the rest of the world.
(15:12):
The Economist had an article a couple of months ago
where it said that America's economy is the envy of
the rest of the world. It is on the rebound,
inflation is on the way down. These things are happening
right now when Donald Trump is not president. Uh. And
so again somehow that that economic message both wasn't heard,
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and I understand this wasn't felt. I don't think people
felt that. So you can say, look, the economy is
doing better, and these numbers and these numbers and these numbers,
and even when you just said that the Dow is
up today, yes, it is. Unquestionably are people feeling that today?
And I don't. I don't think the answer is yes.
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But you know, this is something where I'm going to
continue working. And part of the reason this job is
I'm going to continue to root and root for and
bet on America and try to do the best we
can for the most number of people. I think that
means real policies that favor the working class, and I
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think we can. I think we can do that, but
given Donald Trump's previous record, I'm skeptical that he has
the desire to do it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I'm looking forward to see how it all plays out
as well. Inflation obviously is coming down somewhat, but the
prices are still jacked up from the escalation from a
few years ago. That's the problem for a lot of folks. Morgan,
thanks so much for stopping, but I really appreciate it.
As always always good to be here. That's Kentucky Congressman
Morgan McGarvey in studio. He represents Kentucky's third district in
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the House and heading back to Washington to keep the job.
Congressman Morgan mcgarvey's in the studio with us. He represents
Kentucky's third district. Congratulations on another victory.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you, Terry, good to be here with you.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
That feeling never gets old, does it?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
No, it doesn't. And people ask you what it's like
on election day, and I'll tell you it is always
anxious that there's always nerves involved. It's that even if
you do your best, but you never know exactly how
it's going to go until the votes are counted. So
it is, it is truly always a blessing, always a
good feeling to win an election.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Do we know how the House makeup is set now?
Or that still states out west? We don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
We don't know the states out west. I mean, I
think what I can tell you without being rosy about it,
is it's gonna be close either way. In fact, earlier
today I saw one one model that had the Democrats
up to eighteen two seventeen, one model that had the
Republicans up to eighteen two seventeen. I think it's a thin,
a really thin needle for the Democrats to try to
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thread to get the majority still possible. I don't know
if I would go so far as say it's probable,
but still possible. I think either way it's going to
be very close in the house.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Well, natural, let's jump to the presidential race. What happened
yesterday with the enthusiasm that a lot of people felt
for Kamala Harris, and then we see the end result?
What through your democratic prism do you see?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah? You know, I think we're still unpacking a lot
of it. And we'll have to get into the numbers
and see exactly what happened. First of all, what happened
with the polling. Let's talk about for the third presidential
cycle in a row, the polling really was off in
these states. Let's go back. Let's look at all the numbers.
Let's look at where the turnout was happening. Let's look
(01:40):
at where some of the disconnect is. I look not
just at the presidential states, but all the numbers from
across the country. Look at Florida, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana. In
those four states, deep red states, you saw voters a
greater than fifty percent of voters approve measures in Florida,
(02:01):
in Missouri, in Montana that would make abortion access legal
in those states. It actually failed in Florida because it
needed sixty percent, but it got fifty seven percent of
the vote. You saw marijuana pass with fifty five percent
in Florida, needed sixty but over fifty percent of the vote. Kentucky,
you saw us overwhelmingly pass a piece of the constitutional
amendment that voted against the constitutional amendment that would have
(02:23):
put public money in private schools. Montana, they had an
abortion thing that passed all for of those states democratic policies,
and then they voted for Donald Trump and they voted
for the Republican senators in those states. Missouri voted, they
voted to increase the minimum wage with fifty eight percent
of the vote and require paid family sickly and then
voted for Josh Holly while approving abortion and paid family sickleave.
(02:46):
So these things, the Democratic policies were winning. The Democratic
politicians were not. And how do we unpack that? As well?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
There's talk of how much vote totals differ from twenty
twenty to now, like maybe fifteen million fewer voters total.
How is that possible?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
The short answer, I don't know. And that's so I said,
I think, you know, as these numbers are coming in,
we're this is where we're digesting it in as real
time as everybody else. You know, I feel like people
would come up to me before the election, they say,
what's going to happen? What's the inside scooping? And clearly
I don't know if I had much fit inside scoop.
But we did have polling, we had information, We had
things that weren't necessarily available to everybody else. Now, the
(03:29):
numbers as they're coming in, as they're being counted, we're
getting that in the same real time as everybody else.
Trying to figure out what is the difference between twenty
twenty and now. Is it enthusiasm, is it simply you know,
even look what happened in Kentucky, a lot of states
had it. We're voting was much much easier. We had
voting open a lot longer. In Kentucky. We had mail
(03:50):
voting in twenty twenty, if you remember. And then you
know this year we had kind of a disaster on
election day in Jefferson County with the polls being really
loa to react. What are the things that happen, How
does that manifest across the country, What exactly does it mean?
That's what we'll be looking into in the company.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You were about two to one over your opponent. Though,
did you know right away right at seven o'clock did
they just tell you boom you won?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
No, not at all, in fact, so we're sitting there.
Polls closed at six, so you know, we're kind of
waiting what's gonna happen. We thought we had they had
three days of early voting. We thought we get those
numbers pretty quickly. There were counties in Kentucky that had
all of their results reported before we got the first
set of numbers. I don't think the AP called my
race until close to nine o'clock, oh Tuesday nights. So
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even with kind of the margin we were able to
get out of here, we didn't know the exact numbers.
And I'm I'm both superstitious and I still think there's
a right way to do things. You know, I'm not
going to go on and make my speech or do
that until someone has called the race. I think you've
got to wait until that moment. And we did that, so,
you know, we were kind of waiting. My kindergartener's falling
(04:56):
asleep there at the election party, and I thought we
get those numbers a little faster.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So you heard from the National Democrat Party at least
your your privy to information that goes on there. Where.
Do you think they went sideways with their messaging for
Kamala Harris and the Democrat Party down the line, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I think that's you can't sugarcoat the results of this election.
This was, uh, this was pretty much a Republican route,
especially on the presidential level. They they won and picked
up a lot of seats in the United States Senate.
The last I checked, and you know, we've been kind
of doing some different stuff today. The last I check,
they hadn't called the Pennsylvania Senate race yet, if I'm
(05:39):
not mistaken. I don't know if they've they've called that.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
One or not yet. I did not see that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
But so we're Sweet or Nevada. I don't think they've
called Pennsylvania or Nevada yet. But depending on how those go,
it could be a route in the Senate as well.
We'll see what happens in the House. We're gonna have
to look, like I said, democratic policies like reproductive rights,
like legalized marijuana, like increased benefits for workers. We're winning
(06:07):
in deeply read states, public education, winning in deeply deeply
read state, while while Democratic politicians were not. What is
the disconnect there? What does it mean what happens on
the national versus the state versus what I would call
the more local level. With your congressional seats, there's a
chance that the Democrats won't lose any seats in the
United States House of Representatives, even pick up a few seats.
(06:30):
Even if we don't take the majority, we could pick
up a seat or two, or potentially take the majority.
It's a narrow, narrow chance that happens, but there's still
a chance that happens. So what's the disconnect there? I
think these are all things we're going to be doing
in the post mortem that just as not all the
numbers are in yet, we don't have enough information to
give the complete analysis.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
The Senate numbers right now are Republicans fifty two to
forty four Democrats. Obviously there are more to close out.
There are four more seats to close out, and on
your side of the aisle, it it's two hundred Republicans,
confirm versus one hundred and eighty three Democrats will will
know obviously as the hours well, no more.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And you know when you see those numbers too, like
when I hear the House numbers and I know more
of the races that are that are up in the
air right now, you're going out west, and we think
about it. Some of the races that haven't been called
in places like California, some of these races are Republican
or our Democrat, they just haven't called the race yet
we know kind of who's going to get them. There's
(07:27):
there's a few seats in play we are still watching.
I mean, there's one seat in Nevada. We're watching that
where the Democrat incumbent right now has a very very
narrow lead over there over their challenger. Let's see how
these play out. Of course, if an incumbent wins, it
is different than if it's a flip because the math
works a little differently on that and how the seats go. Right,
So if if the Republican currently holds the seat, for example,
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and then they they lose it, that takes one away
from their total while adding one to the Democrat or
same as Republicans. So we'll watch to see what happens there.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But on the presidential front, there's still a lot of
talk of the Democrats ran on we're not Trump anybody
but Trump, and that's not enough of a message to
get across. Whereas I see a lot of people online
today who are Trump fans are saying they convicted him,
they they shot him, they've they've done all these things
to him, and he's he's just keeps rising like a phoenix,
(08:20):
and so people feel like he's been persecuted. A lot
of Trump fans do, and that the Democrats message of
just saying well, we're not Trump, he's he's a Nazi,
he's a fascist, he's this, that or whatever, is not sufficient.
It's not a sufficient platform.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Well, I don't think that was a Democrats message, uh,
for for starters. I mean, I think that Kamala Harris
campaigned clearly on the fact that she was looking to
restore reproductive rights, that the economic issues that she understands,
the cost of health care, the importance of everybody having
health care, the costs of goods, the cost of everyday
things we deal with, and and you know, while Joe
(08:58):
Biden had taken sort of a long term focus with manufacturing,
reinvesting in America, doing the infrastructure that he did, she
was looking at the short term of how do we
make things around your kitchen table more affordable. And Donald
Trump was campaigning on Project twenty twenty five and doing
things like a national abortion band, like getting rid of
the Department of Education. I think things that were very unpopular.
(09:20):
But somehow I don't think that's what people felt or
heard through whatever media they're absorbing. That's what the campaigns
were talking about. And if you watch the debate, you
can go back and kind of see. I mean, even
when asked about healthcare, Donald Trump said, I have concepts
of plans. He doesn't have a plan for what to
do with these everyday issues that impact Americans. But somehow
(09:44):
that's not what broke through. And I think we have
to look at that as well.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
But you just tied him to Project twenty twenty five.
He said, that's not his You just said national abortion ban.
He said, I'm not doing man, So that's your semantics
versus what he says.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
To be fair, he said he was in favor of it.
He took for overturning Roe v. Wade. Then he said
he's not in favor of it when they told him
it wasn't popular. And where does he end up on that?
He never really answers the question. I don't think he's
in favor of restoring reproductive rights for women across the country,
which Kamala Harris certainly is. And so I think with Trump,
(10:18):
you know, he says a lot of things, oftentimes contradictory things,
and he says things to which he is either not
held account or or somehow he actually will say I
never said that, when then they show the clip of
him saying that, and they say, he says, you took
that out of context, and then they show the entire
clip of him saying and he's like, well, I didn't
say that, and he gets away with that somehow, And
(10:39):
so you know, I worry. I worry about him back
in office for those reasons, that type of divisive leadership,
that type of chaos, which I don't think people want
to see in government. But you know what, I'm the
kind of person. I accept the results of an election.
I accept the results of a democratic process. I've served
every day of my life in the minority since being
in office, you have, so you know, this is something
(11:00):
I am used to doing. And I'm still going to
work to try and move the ball forward and get
things done here for people in Louisville. But I'm also,
you know, going to hold him to account and make
sure that I think the best things are happening for
the American people.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I was thinking when you were talking about Trump's they
show him a tape of him saying something and he goes, well,
I didn't say that or what, and then they show
him like the words people use all the time, I've evolved,
like Baraco bombin Hillary Clinton, though they were against gay marriage,
marriage between a man and a woman. Oh no, no,
I'm for it now, I've evolved. That's another phrase a
lot of people like to throw around.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It's funny, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Muhammad Ali famously said, if you show me someone who's
the same person they are at fifty five as they
were at twenty five, I'll show you a person who's
wasted thirty years. Right. You know, I'm okay with things,
you know, with people's understanding growing. I think Donald Trump
has used really divisive language. I think he has certainly
(11:59):
been and lies in the past. You just look at
even at his campaign this time. I think one of
the things that's surprising about the results to many of
us who watched this, he was not running what people
consider a general election campaign a campaign meant to appeal
to a majority of Americans, it was still filled with
the hateful, divisive rhetoric, even on display at the Madison
(12:21):
Square Garden rally from the people before him, and then
and then what he said on the stage that that's
the type of thing that is not thought of as
getting people into the fold.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I think people were smarter than that, though, the Madison
Square Garden thing that some comedian makes some crack about
Puerto Rico, and then suddenly the pundits were all jumping
on that that's gonna run Trump right off the edge.
And it's like you saw the Hispanic vote totals that
didn't that didn't ruffle a feather.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Didn't move anybody. And I think that's one of the
things we have to look at as well, right, you know,
is what is what is it that he is doing
that somehow or that didn't happen this time that ended
up in these results.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
It looked like a lot of working class anger and
condescension a lot of people. The pundits again are saying, well,
Democrats are better educated in general, and this or that
or whatever. But I think a lot of people are
kind of digging in their heels like you're calling me stupid.
I'll show you yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And I mean I hate condescension in anything, in anything period,
much less politics or government. And so what's interesting to me, though,
is that Donald Trump stated policies. Look at what he did.
One of the things I think we forget is he
was president for four years. People act like he wasn't president,
(13:41):
and he didn't have the ability to do some of
these things. When you look at the Trump tax package,
much of which is still in law set to expire
at the end of twenty twenty five, there is no
mistake that those tax breaks went to the wealthiest individuals
and wealthiest corporations. Look at who his main cheerleader was
this time, Elon Musk, who in some type of bond
(14:04):
villain way, was giving a million dollars to people if
they registered to vote. This is not the people are
who are taking their lunch to work in a cooler
and trying to make a better life for their family.
And Donald Trump didn't have He never stated a policy
to help. One of the things he even said, tariff's tariffs, tariffs.
The Wall Street Journal, no liberal bastion was saying, this
(14:26):
is going to be a tax on everyday Americans to
the tune of about four thousand dollars per family. So
we never seemed to cut through the reality of what
he was saying to the perception of what he was saying.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
The market is up one five hundred and fifty points
right now. A lot of those people taking their lunch
paal to work are looking at retirement funds and going,
I like what I see so far.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, and us too. But you know, this is one
where if you look again, everybody has felt the pinch
since the pan endemic. I see it in our grocery bill.
I see it on our car insurance bill. I see
it in things that come across and my house. But
still when you look at the rest of the world.
(15:12):
The Economist had an article a couple of months ago
where it said that America's economy is the envy of
the rest of the world. It is on the rebound,
inflation is on the way down. These things are happening
right now when Donald Trump is not president. Uh. And
so again somehow that that economic message both wasn't heard,
(15:32):
and I understand this wasn't felt. I don't think people
felt that. So you can say, look, the economy is
doing better, and these numbers and these numbers and these numbers,
and even when you just said that the Dow is
up today, yes, it is. Unquestionably are people feeling that today?
And I don't. I don't think the answer is yes.
(15:56):
But you know, this is something where I'm going to
continue working. And part of the reason this job is
I'm going to continue to root and root for and
bet on America and try to do the best we
can for the most number of people. I think that
means real policies that favor the working class, and I
(16:18):
think we can. I think we can do that, but
given Donald Trump's previous record, I'm skeptical that he has
the desire to do it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I'm looking forward to see how it all plays out
as well. Inflation obviously is coming down somewhat, but the
prices are still jacked up from the escalation from a
few years ago. That's the problem for a lot of folks. Morgan,
thanks so much for stopping, but I really appreciate it.
As always always good to be here. That's Kentucky Congressman
Morgan McGarvey in studio. He represents Kentucky's third district in
(16:44):
the House and heading back to Washington to keep the job.
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