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June 5, 2025 • 13 mins
Congressman Andy Barr (KY-06) jumped on WHAS Radio to tout the benefits of the Big Beautiful Bill in spite of objections from colleagues Rep. Thomas Massie (KY-04) and Senator Rand Paul.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's bring in Kentucky. Congressman Andy Barr represents Kentucky's sixth
district in the US House of Representatives. Welcome back, Congressman Bar.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Very great to be with you, my goodness, out of
the Capitol.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yeah, I know you're there in the Capitol right. What
a dramatic day with all this stuff going on. So
we know that the big beautiful bill has passed out
of the House, but it has to come back and
be after it's massage by the Senate, and then then
there's some sort of everybody coming together and singing out
of the same hymnal to try to get this thing done.
What do you think the timeline is on getting this accomplished, Andy, I.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Think we're on track for the goal of before the
fourth of July, before the Independence Day, getting this one
big beautiful bill, these tax cuts, the important reforms to spending,
energy dominance, and then you know, plussing up our military readiness.

(00:56):
I think we can get this whole package on the
President's desk by the fourth of July. Obviously, the Senate
is doing their part right now, and if they can
add some fiscal discipline to the bill, I welcome that.
But we need to get it done because there's nothing
that could be more damaging to our debt and deficit
picture than a massive tax increase on the American people

(01:19):
that would put us in a recession, that would really
exacerbate our debt and not help the situation at all.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
But we need to lock in these tax cuts.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, but Senator Ran Paul goes on every day, he's
on every show saying that this is a horrible thing,
that he likes the tax cuts. If he could just
vote on that singularly, that would be it. But he
just said, we got to figure out a way that
we're not going to increase the budget deficit. Why he
says like five trillion dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, that's look, the static score is wrong. It's just wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
The Joint Tax Committee, the Joint Committee on Taxation, the CBO,
this score that shows a big deficit coming out of
the bill is just flat wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
The CBO has a track record of being wrong over
and over again.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
They were wrong by one point six trillion dollars the
last time they did this and understating the revenue that
was generated through economic growth. But to Senator Paul's point,
we do need to address this weakness in demand for
US treasuries. We do have a spending problem in this country,

(02:26):
and I welcome more fiscal discipline at the Senate can
send it back with more spending cuts. Great, but we
have a very narrow majority and we need to keep
everybody together.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
At the bottom line is we have to pass the bill.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Seventy seven million Americans voted for President Trump's agenda and
we need to get it passed. And I do believe
that with the tax cuts in place, with the deregulation
that's happening in financial services, and an energy with.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
More and more.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Reciprocal trade deals, once they get put into this economy,
will take off its rocket fuel for the economy. And
I do see three to four percent growth, which means
the bill at that level does pay for itself.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
We're speaking with Congressman Andy Barry's in the sixth district
in Kentucky right now is in Washington, d C. Your
colleague Thomas Massey from northern Kentucky says there was some
shady dealings with the bill as it passed out of
your House of Representatives, talking about a seventy two hour
rule requiring the bill to be posted seventy two hours.
The speaker circumvented this rule with a manager's amendment. That's

(03:33):
what Thomas Massey wrote on Twitter. He's telling Elon Musk,
you're right, keep fighting them against this bill. What do
you say to Thomas Massey's claim, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
I respectfully disagreed because the seventy two hour rule.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Everybody, this was a regular order bill.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
In fact, the legislation went through multiple committees, including our
colleague Brett Guthrie, who represents part of Jefferson County.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Of course, as the chairman of the Energy and com Committee.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Each my committee was part of it, the Financial Services Committee,
We each went through regular order amendments, We produced the changes.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
It was in the sunlight.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Everybody knew what was going on, and we did have
a seventy two hour post. The issue was there was
a few minor last minute changes that everybody knew about.
There was nobody hiding the ball. So I just respectfully disagreed.
The process was a good process and the final product
was a good product.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Is it perfect? No, But this.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Stops a four and a half trillion dollar tax increase
and the business tax cuts, in particular our.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Jet fuel for this economy.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Democrats and liberals who accused Republicans of fiscal irresponsibility with
this bill, or anyone whether it's Elon Musk or anyone else,
who says that this is fiscally irresponsible. That's like the
arsonists accusing the firefighter for the inferno. We lived through

(05:03):
four years of Democrats spending like drunken sailors. Our bill
is actually, we are the firefighters here, putting out the
fire by producing an unleashing growth that we have to have.
We will never balance the budget without robust economic growth.
This bill delivers that.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Congressman Barr, can we talk on a couple of other
issues as well. Obviously President Trump today comparing Russia and
Ukraine to two fighting children who need to work out
their differences, and it sounds like are we stepping back again,
because it sounds like that we were kind of getting
to an end chapter of this.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
I think it just goes to show what a bad
actor Vladimir Putin is, and deterrence requires strength, and I
think it was a very positive development the drone that
took out the Russian capabilities with those bombers. I think

(06:05):
that's the only thing that Vladimir Putin will understand is
you know is a continued use of force to force
Putin into a negotiated settlement. I credit the Trump administration
for using the tools of diplomacy to try to negotiate
a deal and to solidify the turns by getting an

(06:28):
agreement in place that would put the United States with
a permanent presence in Ukraine with this critical minerals deal
that would serve I think, to secure the peace once
we can get there. But clearly Vladimir Putin is not negotiating.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
In good faith, okay at conress and bar Also, the
travel ban is making a lot of headlines everywhere to
President Trump's plan barring citizens of twelve countries, mostly Muslim countries,
from entering the United States. There's obviously there's some turmoil
that goes along with that. Do you feel like the
President is acting in good faith here?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yes? I do.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
But you know what I what I would say here
is you know and and and you wanted to You're
you're asking about what specifically terry on that.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yes, I'm just asking about whether this is fair to
just cherry pick certain countries and say nobody can come
to the United States from there. I mean not really.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
That's that's why I asked the question because I don't
think it's cherry picking. I mean, it's these are these
are demonstrable national security risks. You know, when you're talking
about the countries on the list, who are you know,
supporting terrorism? Who are in authoritarian countries that that pose
national security risks to the United States. Uh, this order

(07:53):
builds on the good work of the first Trump administration
to prevent travel to the United States. Now they're our exceptions,
and the exceptions are built into the executive order where
there's not a threat to national security. But it's just
common sense that we would prevent travel from some of
these countries that are clear enemies of the United States

(08:14):
or at least adversaries that you know, whether they harbor
terrorists or contain serious national security threats, threats to the.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Country, right, And some people, I think.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
I think most Americans understand that this is just sensible.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
People were pointing to this bomber from the other day
in Colorado out of Egypt and said, well, how come Egypt?
You know you get that. So that's why I use
the phrase cherry pick. And there were certain countries, but
we work well with Egypt, and you don't feel like
they're harboring people that want to do harm to the US.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Well.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Of course, that's the complexity of the world is that
we do have countries with governments where we do have
a relationship, not necessarily allies, but I would say partnership
with the government of Egypt. We have complex partnerships with
other countries that nevertheless harbor terrorists, like Pakistan.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
The Pakistan is a bad actor about Abad.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
This is in Pakistan, they harbored Osama bin lat right uh.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
And the government didn't do enough there.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Uh, Pakistan, the government of Pakistan obviously didn't do enough
preventing terrorists from attacking you know, innocent Indians and Kashmir.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I met with a group of members of parliament from
India earlier this week about this.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
And so these are complex diplomatic problems that we have
in the in the case of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, China, Russia.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Those are kind of obvious cases.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
You know, the cases of Pakistan, Egypt, those are more
difficult situations where we have a relationship, a diplomatic relationship,
a strategic relationship with the.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Government with the governments, but never unless they have you.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Know, bad actors problems with bad actors within those countries.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I got you. And then finally, just because the people
are talking about is there you know, I mean Elon
Musk tweeting a little while ago there's a huge recession coming.
I mean you see what he and Donald Trump are
firing back at this these last couple of hours. This
has really gotten heated up. It's kind of embarrassing the
way these two are just going after each other publicly.
But the question in hand is about inflation, whether or

(10:28):
not that's going to rise, if this big beautiful bill's
going to cause and you know, and after shocks that
are going to make things cost so much because of
the tariff situation as well, the tariffs are working. We
were promised ninety deals in ninety days. I know we're
only so many days in, but it's like, I know,
there was some chat with China's leader earlier today, but

(10:49):
you think these deals are going to get done in
time in order to keep the our economy from overheating.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, I had a good conversation with the japan These
ambassador to the United States last evening, and we're making
great progress with Japan. I guess that I met with
members of Parliament from India earlier this week. We're making
great progress with India. Those are two huge trading partner countries.
If we can get more exports, more market access to

(11:18):
those two countries and several others that we're making great
progress by the deadline of July ninth.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
There.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
China obviously is going to be a long term process
that will take longer, obviously, and there may be other cases.
But I do have you know, I'm optimistic about some
of these trade deals. But the Big Beautiful Bill, I mean,
without respect to Musk, he's just wrong the putting it.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
There's nothing in trade in the Big Beautiful Bill.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
What you have in the Big Beautiful Bill are tax cuts,
and the tax cuts lower the cost of business.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
That is disinflationary. It's not inflationary. Plus, there's a lot
of deregulation and energy.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
There's a lot of deregulation in our capital markets, in
our financial sector, in our labor markets.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
That deregulation also lowers the cost of business, and that
also is disinflationary.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Plus on top of all of that, when you consider
the Ai revolution and the productivity gains through innovation that.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I think also will help keep prices down.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Okay, I don't see I don't see a resurgence in inflation,
and the Federal Reserve is not cutting interest rates in June.
I think they're going to hold steady, which also is
a check on inflation.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
I hope you can get Elon Musk and Donald Trump
to come to your place tonight you sit between and
watching the NBA game, see if they can become friends again.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah. Yeah. But one other thing, Terry is, you know,
it is a little ironic.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
People keep talking about inflation during the Trump administration. Those
prices are already down to almost the FEDS two percent target,
the lowest level of inflation since before Biden's.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Spending spring in twenty twenty one. We keep hearing about inflation.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
We talk more about the possibility of prices going up
in the Trump administration than the fact that prices went
up twenty percent under Biden.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
I mean, we actually did see inflation under Biden. So
I think we're heading in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
And this bill, on top of the deregulation, on top
of the new trade deals that create more market access,
on top of energy dominance, I think all of that
is rocket fuel for the economy. And so I'm very
optimistic about the economy right now.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Thanks for the time, Congressman.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Bar Thank you, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Terry, all right, there's Andy Barr live from Washington. Back
in a few on news radio. Wait forty whas
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