October 31, 2024 • 30 mins
Dr. Ricky Jones discussed his military training, the "shoe models" he used to date, the comparisions of Hitler and Donald Trump, the credibility of the media, and his relationship with the Courier Journal...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy Halloween from news Radio eight forty wh s Terry
Miners here, Ian Virtue's working along today and doctor Ricky
Jones in studio. I did my best to keep that
stay out of the studio sign lit, but you came
in anyway.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey, I kicked the door down, like Big popa pump
up here here if you remember Big Papa Pump.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I saw your tweet you reply.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Ian was standing in the door trying to keep me out.
Paul Miles was standing in the door trying to kick
me out. Of punch Paul Miles in the face and
kick Ian in the knee.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
You're so tough. I just never realized what a tough
because you're usually a lover. You're just a person who's
all about love. Today you were just like, let me
in the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I am a man's man.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You're a military that we appreciate your service to the country.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I tell people that too, because somebody was talking to
me today Terry and Ian after the piece that I
wrote in the Current Jonal. So there's some people in
Kentucky mad at me because I wrote it.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
You're always mad at you. But I read the piece.
It was poignant.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
But you know, some body said, you know, they might
try to string you up down on Main Street for this,
and I said, y'all got to remember I actually have
military training, so I'm gonna be all right the.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Question, don't remember that stuff you learned basic?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Not really, but I like to think it's instinctive that
it'll come back to me.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, I don't know. How's your daughter?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
My daughter's great, man. She you know, her school volleyball
season is over, she's getting ready to take the Act.
She's taking five advanced placement classes, had her volleyball. Her
college recruitment season is really starting in Earnest had a
call the other night with a recruiter from the University
of Chicago, which is one of her top schoolstic. So
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she's she's doing well, man.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And her mom is very smart, and so thank god
for that, because I was waiting for you on the
f take. Is she a good test take her? That's
always a thing because I know Jordan's a very smart
and as an accomplished student. Is she good at test taking?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Look, you know Jordan does everything well. So the short
answer is yes, yes, she takes tests really well. People
have to understand, man, I'm lucky, all right because while
Jordan's mother and I are not married, we are a
good parental partner ship team. Well, you communicate and her mother,
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you know, has a pH d. You know, they just
gave me a PhD because they wanted to just get
me out of school because I was calling. But I
tell people all the time, man, you better not have
a baby with a dumb person. You're gonna have a
dumb baby. So I had a baby with a smart
person because God knows, I made some bad choices in women.
I done dated everything from pole dancers to PhDs. Man,
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So if I got stuck with a baby from somebody
in between from my strip joint days, so God blessed.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I don't think I knew that part about there was
a pole dancer in your life.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
No, no, brother, there were well, and let's be let's
be respectful. They weren't pole dancers. They were were There
were models. They were shoe models, shoe models, shoe models.
At the end of the day they are on stage
with nothing but shoes. But yeah, dated a few shoe models. Man,
they were good to me.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well, I know what an actor you are too, because
you and I got into that that ring that we
were managers at the wrestling thing Ohio belly wrestling, and
you turned into some guy I didn't even know, and
your acting skills were Like one point, I was thinking
to myself, who is this man?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Shout out to ass No man. Ov W was fun.
I might have to go back.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
To You were very condensing in that role.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, that's one of the most fun things I've done
in the last twenty years, love ov W.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
All right, we're gonna do two segments. They We're gonna
do one later in the media on the media and
all the coverage. It goes with the politics. But I
want to talk about your calumn today. Okay, that's coming
on in the last twenty four hours online for the
Courier Journal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are very disappointed in
this commonwealth of Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Look, I told the truth about this Commonwealth of Kentucky.
And for the people who have not read anybody who
knows me and they've read my writing followed me, they
know I love this Courier Journal. Full time writer Joe Girth.
I'm not a full time writer, you know, I'm a
I'm a literary mercenary. But Joe Girth is a full
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time writer with the Courier Journal. I love Joe Girth's writing.
I mean, he is brave man. I mean, we got
some of these college presidents and the negroes who serve
them on their plantations. They're their diversity officers so called,
and their diversity offices.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
You're gonna reference Stephen from Django.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's a good reference. That's a good reference. Oh no,
sing y'all, candey. I mean, that's that's the way some
of these negroes are who work work for these people.
I mean, but they basically have marchin orders to never
mentioned black people. These are black people. Won't mention black people.
They won't mention institutional racism. They won't mention white supremacy.
They will not mention it. And I challenge you, if
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you go over to some of these diversity offices and
you scream white supremacy in their hallway, all of them
will probably jump out of a damn window.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But Joe Girth mentions these things in his column. He
writes about anti black racism, he writes about white supremacy,
he writes about institutional structural racism. He doesn't he he
is a white brother. I love him. I love him
more than you Terry Minus. I know because you begin
to disappoint me, but you didn't want to even even
let me in today. But Joe Girth wrote a piece
asking why does Donald Trump have so much support in
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Kentucky because he doesn't stand for the things Kentuckians stand for. Now,
I don't know if Joe's being talking cheek or not,
but I wanted to respond to him. I'm like, look, nah, dog,
Trump actually stands for everything that a good percentage of
Kentucky and stand for. Now, let me be clear, Kentucky
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has every right to be exactly what it is, an incestuous, clannish, nativist,
racially retro grade white f no state that has no
desire to change, all right, it more than likely will
be one of, if not the first state called for
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Donald Trump on Tuesday Night, because it was in twenty sixteen,
and it was in twenty twenty, but only.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
In Kentucky actually gets called every four years. First we
are because in two thousand and eight, in four two thousand.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And that's cool. They have a right to do that, right,
they have a right to be that. There were only
six states, six states over the last eight years that
voted for our dear brother Donald Trump, who isn't an
he is an entertaining fellow. Kentucky was only beat out
by six states four states in twenty twenty sixteen, and
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they two more got added in twenty twenty. Those they're
only six states that support Trump more heavily than Kentucky.
And so I just went down the list on why.
And so I'm like, Kentuckian's got a right to love
Trump and not. People mad at me, Well we hate you,
Ricky Jones, Well I don't like you either. But it
is it isn't even a thing about loving or hating.
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It's just a piece that describes it. It might be one
of my last pieces in the current journal. Who knows.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
But you wrote many of those slurs you just threw
at us for the commonwealth of Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But how do you not slurs accurate adjectives in your mind?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
How do you know that people just weighing the two
major candidates here don't choose the lesser of two evils.
They think that Kamala's not up to the job. They
didn't like Hillary in twenty sixteen, and Joe Biden obviously
prevailed in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Look, man, I ain't crazy about any candidates for the
most part. You know that. I mean, I'm a political
scientist who actually do a lot of research on politics.
But there's another piece that I wrote this on my
substack page. We'll talk about this more in the next segment.
I think, cau it's not just Trump, and I'm being
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very serious right now. If you look at the politics
of Donald Trump, the strategies, the approaches, the ideologies, there
are very very viable similarities to a lot of the
stuff that was done by people like Benito Mussolini, by
Mobutu in Zayir Mussolini was in Italy and Adolf Hitler
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in Germany in the run up to World War Two.
That's historically accurate when you look at this stuff going
on with him. I do believe, as Mark Milly and
John Kelly, people who actually worked for Donald Trump, who
said at New York Times said in Bob Woodward's latest book, War,
Donald Trump has serious fascist tendencies. Now, if you're cool
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with that, okay, but you need to know what you're
cool with. And again, let me repeat, I'm not a Democrat,
right I'm an independent. I have written stuff that was
critical of Kamala Harris. I wrote a book that was
critical of Barack Obama. But Donald Trump, that dude's on
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another level. And so people who cool with him, and look,
you get these people, well, I like his policies, but
then when you ask them what policies are you talking about,
they can rarely tell you what policies they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
That same works the same way. Conversely, when you ask
Kamala supporters what are her policies? I don't know. I
just like her. We need a woman.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I think, Terry, that it's a false equivalency. I do
think that America is largely trending towards an anti intellectual
country that is entertaining itself to death. So it is very,
very hard to have legitimate conversations with people on either
side of the police spectrum. Because you're right, I certainly
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talk to some Democrats, right, and they're frustrating conversations to
have with them. They're not talking about anything intelligently. So
I'm talking about the people who are engaging this stuff intelligently, right,
I mean folks who actually know what they're talking about.
Like John Henry Clark said, I know a lot of
y'all don't know who John Henry Clark is, so go
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ahead and get onto Wikipedia or whatever you do out
there Kentucky and figure out who I'm talking about. John
Henry Clark said, I only debate my equals. Others I
teach if they're willing to learn. So I understand when
people say, oh, the Kamala supporters can't ser you know,
support their stuff either. A lot of them can't. I
haven't said much about Kamala harris Man within my own community.
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I'm not fighting with the people that with the Howard,
you know, because a lot of folks, hey, she with
the Howard, Hey, hey, that it makes a great I'm
not fighting with the Akas. I'm not doing that. But
I do think that Harry who is a machiavellian politician
who is opportunistic, who changes her political views, you know,
with the win to get to a different position. She
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does that, right, all of them do it. That's the point.
But when you compare her to Donald Trump, you're talking
about two very different political animals.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Name the last Republican candidate for president who was not
called a fascist or hitler.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I don't think John McCain was a fascist, you know,
as nuts so as he was. I don't think George W.
Bush was a fascist, but people use those anyway. I
didn't see they're they're reigning in people's rights, and so
he's a hitler, he's a fans. I haven't seen very again,
very many learned people, intellectuals who know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Watch. That's the problem is the general messaging that goes around,
and social media has only exacerbated this problem.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Again, I'm not talking about them, Yeah, you know, I'm
not talking about them. I mean, that's like me having
a conversation with you about football. You don't know what
the hell you're talking about when you talk about football, right,
and so I don't pay very much attention to what
you say about football. You can't legitimately evaluate my Atlanta Falcons.
You can't legitimately evaluate your own Green Bay Packers. You
think they're going to the Super Bowl every year. The
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man on the street don't know nothing about politics for
the most part. So that's not really what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I'll stack my team up against yours anytime. Okay, the
same old playbook doesn't work, though. I think that's some
of those walls are crumbling down. But the same name
calling that goes on both sides. I don't know that
that's as effective as it is. Social media kind of grinds,
you know, is the monkey grinder here of over and
over throwing the same stuff out, over and over the
same acid, and people kind of go, yeah, I've seen
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this movie again.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'm trying to have a more substantive conversation about these
folks as I run back. I wouldn't say Mitt Romney's fascists,
wouldn't say John McCain was a fascist. I wouldn't say
w was a fascist. George H. W. Bush now he
was scary because he was a CIA dude. I don't know.
He was probably killed a lot of people. Reagan was problematic,
Barry Gold had some of those crazy fascist tendencies. Nixon
was just nuts. So, but I think Trump is different.
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But but my greatest concern is not Trump. My greatest
concern is the way the country is trending. The greater
question for me is what's causing millions upon millions of
people to be cool with Trump? Right that that's a
bigger question for me, because that doesn't go away after Tuesday,
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no matter who wins. I think that's a much more
troubling conversation because people think that Adolf Hitler khan the Germans.
That ain't true. Hitler wasn't a con man. He was
a strong man, but he was overt about what he
believed in. He wrote about it in a two volume autobiography,
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he talked about it in speeches over and over and
over again. Germans supported him. And so we have a
whole lot of Americans who support Trump. You know, they're
supporting a lot of this stuff, and it's kind of scary.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
There are a lot of learned people who say all
kinds of outrageous things. But the notion that troops will
be going down streets and there'll be tribunals and executions
of enemies ahead if Trump wins is insane and it
is a lie. I mean, I don't push that, you don't,
but I'm just telling it. Learned people, you're precious, learned
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people with whom you'll debate, but not others.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
But I think that you are being extreme, not you
terry miners, but anybody's being extreme when they say, look,
if Trump is elected on November fifth, you're gonna have
martial law declared on November sixth, and slavery is gonna
be reinstituted, right that that's not the argument that I'm making.
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The question is how is the country trending. You look
at the country. It is becoming more intolerant. It is
becoming more xenophobic, It is more tolerant of racism. It
is seeing things that were gained over a long periods
of time roll back. You talk about the Voting Rights Acting,
Civil Rights Act, the sixty four and sixty five, those
things are being rolled back. You look at the rulings
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coming from the Supreme Court, not just where race is concerned,
but where gender is concerned, where ethnicity is concerned, you know,
where voter suppression is concerned. You're seeing a lot of
these things roll back. So it's not about what happens
the next day, but it is about what happens in
the next decade. That's why I say, look, conversations the
Center on this one man are elementary and shortsighted. But
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woe be to the country that sits back and they
don't think this stuff can happen. Remember, Germany was a
democracy in nineteen twenty three when Adolf Hitler attempted a
coup and he was locked up. Okay, he was jailed
for a year. Ten years later he was legally installed
as chancellor a year later, legally installed as Furer of
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that country. So don't think it can't happen.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
But making comparisons to Hitler is what brings that jackass
to the roof in Pennsylvania trying to kill him, and
the other guy with the weapons and the other who
knows that's rhetoric. That moves it to a level where
it's like but.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I disagree with that right because I think that people
who say the comparisons of Hitler are hyperbolic are off.
If you have a conversation with someone who really understands
how the Nazi Party moved forward in Germany after the
end of World War One, when these incredible punishments were
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meted out against Germany, you know, when they had reparations paid,
when they had landstripped from them, when they were forced
to disarm, and how that country changed after World War
One in the run up to World War Two. People
who really understand that and how Hitler stepped through that door,
you will see very legitimate comparisons to what's going on
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as America changed. Is the way that it's looking socially,
ideologically and politically right now. So people who think that
it's hyperbolic usually are people when I engage them and
others engage them. They don't have a deep understanding of
places like Italy, like Germany, like Zaiir, like the Soviet Union.
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They don't understand what happened during the Bolshevik revolutions. They
don't get it. When people have a more mature understanding
of those things, they were like, wait a minute, this
isn't hyperbolic, and we better pay closer attention to it.
Nobody is supporting somebody trying to kill Donald Trump, right,
I'm certainly not supporting that. I'm not advocating that, but
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I am saying even if that happened, God bless us
that it did not, we would still have a serious,
serious problem in this country that goes way beyond Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, obviously, the culture sways back and forth. We're way
long here, so we're gonna stop here, We'll take a break,
come back after the bottom of the hour, and continue
because we're gonna get into media as well.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Doctor Ricky Jones goes wearing a serious hat today. I'm
glad to see it.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Because I'm worried about y'all, man, I'm worried about you.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
You love Kentucky and you know it. We make Bourbont
News Radio waight forty wh as Ricky Jones in the
studio with me here on news radio ad forty w
A says happy Halloween. We didn't even say that.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Thanks man.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Are you handing out candy tonight?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I always hand out candy. I love the kids. Rick
loved the kids.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
We're big candy bar people too. Oh yeah, we're handing them.
We're popular in the neighborhood. You've been to my house,
you know. You know the deal. We're full sized candy
bar people.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Oh that's why I tried to come to your house.
Your your wife barred me. So we'll talk about that
another time. Though.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Well, that's true because her girlfriends were coming over and
it was it was one of those wine drinking girls parties. No,
we wouldn't have been good with that anyway.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
It was it was her girlfriends. Let's be clear. It
was her girlfriends and their husbands. That's what she told me.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Well, she wouldn't lie to you. I guess that's what
it was. I don't know. We have a lot of events.
You don't get invited all of them.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I don't get invited to any of them. Come up
to we have chili, big popa pump boy.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
That's it, Come on.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
In, that's it.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
All right. Uh we we talked about the election situation,
and you're calling about Trump love in the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
Let's go on into media as well. There's so much
slamming that going on. And there's so many people that
send clips that will say somebody said this, and who
was taken out of context? And then you have major
what are known as major mainstream outlets that repeat it,
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like CBS evening News, like NBC News, you know, and
and it's getting a little crazy now in terms of
the credibility factor for a lot of people in journalism.
I'm worried about our industry, our media industry. It's become
a wild the wild wild West, with where one voice,
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somebody like Joe Rogan has so much influence. He's one guy.
He doesn't have to verify things. But he's gotten so
popular that he swings a big mallet. Howard Stern still does.
He's been on for forty years. It's just interesting to
be the singular people get power. The late night comedians,
particularly Jimmy Fallon, Nice Sorry, Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert.
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They weigh in on politics every night, bam bam, bam,
hammer away. Is that too much power centered on certain individuals?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I think the argument is a larger argument, right, because
a lot of this stuff with some of those people,
it's either Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon. I think it's Fallin,
for instance, who we say has too much power. He's
been rolled back to four days a week instead of five, right,
because the network feels like they're economic constraints. You look
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at some of the educational decisions that are being made
in higher education in this country, they're being rolled back
because the education, you know, economic constraints. You look at
what's going on with newspapers in this country. So many
decisions are being made because of economic constraints. They have
nothing to do with journalistic integrity, nothing to do with education.
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Now it's dangerous, right, So when you have the convergence,
I think of technological shifts in a country. When you
and I were younger, we will remember rotary telephones. Man,
we were coming through schools. We didn't have you know,
these little mini computers in our pockets they call cell phones.
You know, there was no Internet, so there's all this
access through different streams, you know, of information outlets, supposedly
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information outlets, but there's no checks on whether the information
is viable or not. And we've lost checks on that. Okay,
So it's good in this respect. What all of these
different platforms from x to Facebook, to threads to Instagram,
TikTok whatever, they democratize that space. Threads, I mean, threads
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was a woeful failure, right, but there'll be something new
next week. But they democratize those spaces. That's good. And
the fact that they democratize those spaces is incredibly problematic because,
like you said, you can get anybody that can put
stuff out there. Now, when you couple that with a
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society that's intellectually lazy at best an anti intellectual at worst,
they're depoliticized to the point where they really don't pay
attention to what's going on. They become very very open
to all kinds of mad stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But Fox News is like that too, And I'm not
speaking about that from the position of a Democrat who
hates Republicans or whatnot. But you watch a lot of
the stuff on Fox News, and it is an alternate universe.
What research has actually shown your most reliable information sources
on politics or whatnot on television come from PBS, on
radio come from MPR. But people ain't listening to that stuff.
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So we're in a dangerous place, I think, not just
with bad information, but also the censoring of information that's
coming from what we would call legitimate platforms. And that's why,
you know, my relationship with the Courier Journal is a
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little bit tenuous for me right now.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Oh interesting, Yeah, let's get back to that in a second.
But you don't think MSNBC is the same shill in
the same sense that Fox News is one for the
left one for the right. Why are they somehow christened? Ask,
Oh that's fair, No, it is, and it's the same nonsense.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I don't. I think again, it's a false comparison.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I know you don't. But but this is what I'm saying.
I MSNBC is definitely a shield for the left, Yeah,
no doubt, in the same way that Fox is a
shield for the right. But I don't think MSNBC c
is as willing to push patently false information in histories
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as Fox is. I try to watch them all.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You know, I watched neither, but.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
See I do. I watch them all. I watch MSNBC,
I watched CNN, I watch Fox, and I get frustrated
by mal But some of the stuff on Fox. If
they fact checked Fox on a lot of stuff and
you have to pull it because it was erroneous information, yeah,
they got suit. They had to pay. I know that
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Fox will be off the air. They wouldn't have enough
content to really feel shows. You know, I've been on Fox.
You remember when when me and Tucker Carlson went at
I saw that, you know, I mean, it's it's it's bad.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Okay. Back to newspapers, The Washington Post, LA Times refused
to make endorsements. I think USA Today, that's the parent
company of the Courier Journal, sort of stayed out of
the fray. And a lot of people feel like that
is suppression fear that Trump's going to win. We know
they're gonna pick Kamala Harris. They do everyth they pick
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the Democrat. Every time you could you could put a
dog on there and say he's the Democrat. That's who
we think would be the best president. I mean they're
they're not picking Republicans.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Ever. Well, first of all, you know this ain't Fox News, Terry.
It is an overstatement to say that all of these
outlets always pick the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
The Washington Post, I went back and looked at all
their picks over the last thirty years, and they're they're all.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Okay, you can talk about the Washington Post, but you
can't say that about the Wall Street Journal, Right.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
But they're not They're not refusing, are they refusing?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Point is, different platforms make different choices. Yeah, okay, So
if you if you're reading the Washington Post and you're
reading the New York Times, you're going to find endorsements
over time that probably tack more towards the middle or
the left. You need some of these other platforms, you're
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gonna find something different. See. But that's what's so important
about the diversification of media and varying journalistic outlets to
give you different points of view. I am all for
an open marketplace of ideas. Here's what I'm against. I
would not necessarily have a problem me personally, Ricky Jones
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if the Washington Post came out and endorsed Donald Trump.
I'm saying that the journalistic platforms that is staked needs
to be open and honest about what it's doing and why.
You need to make choices based on the truth, based
on challenges in the marketplace of ideas, and based on
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always trying to give your citizenry, no matter what their
political leanings, open and accurate facts. What I have a
problem with is somebody like Jeff Bezos or others making
a decision that we're going to stay out of it,
and it is clearly because of economic concerns. I think
that's incredibly problematic. When capitalism bleeds into choices that are
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going to help or hurt American citizens, then you're talking
about something different.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
This is the problem I have when you talk no
matter what happens with Amendment Too in Kentucky come Tuesday,
because that's the big thing that people are pushing here.
The conversation really needs to be had. What's happening with
budgetary decisions that are not fully funding schools, public schools
in particular, where over ninety percent of Kentucky's children attend school.
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If educational achievement right, educational opportunities are being limited because
politicians are making decisions not to properly fund these schools,
then you're not just impacting a space educationally, you're impacting
the citizenry of the place. So that's the problem that
I have with the Washington Post any other paper doing
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what they do.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
We have a report card on the schools. There's been
no change in any funding of anything. And you can
look at where are we now after decades, one hundred
years of public educat whatever it is, where we are
versus should we tweak something, should we try something else
because we're not doing that. Well, that's one of the
arguments for Amendment two. I'm just telling him. That's why
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I hear on the announcements. Come on, I don't want
us to run out of time neither. What about you
with the Courier Journal. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, it'll have to be a longer conversation, so I
don't want to hold us too long.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Do you not like writing or is the demand too frequent?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
No? No, no, no no. I love writing all right.
I'm a committed writer, and I'm asking people because I
just launched a new adventure in writing, go to my
substack pages is the free mind of Jones. What I
am against, though, is censorship. I like editors who enhance
my work. I don't like to be in a space
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where I feel apprehensive when I'm turning something in and
whether or not somebody's gonna publish it because they see
it as too controversial, too hard hitting. The piece that
I wrote, for instance, last week, it's not just Trump piece,
where you can find on my substack page and you
visit my ex page whatever, that was originally written for
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the Courier Journal. They didn't want to publish it. They
refuse to publish it. Wow, because you know, they were
one making the argument that they're under a mandate to
only publish stuff that is local, which I think is insane.
It's highly even though Amendment TO is important, there is
a presidential election going on in this country, and if
you're in a space where you're putting stuff out that's
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talking more about Amendment Too than a presidential election, it
seems to me that that's wrongheaded. I don't think that
there are enough interesting things going on just in the
city of Louisville for me to write about them every
two weeks. There are things going on in the country
and the world that I think also impact Louisville that
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I would like to write about, and I'm not sure
that the Courier Journal is, you know, on that path.
I mean, dude, they got headlines about, you know, restaurants
opening and closing. I mean, they are the headlines.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I see that. You know, they don't have any employees.
They have somebody in Dubuque. Iowall, I'm just making that up.
But somewhere else composing pages, other people printing elsewhere. All that,
there's not a busy, scurrying newsroom over here at sixth
and Broadway.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Well, look, I get that the Curry has been good
to me over the years. I've worked with some fantastic
people over the years, and I'm not saying that we
are parting company. I'm saying that we got to have
some talks to figure out if we're still aligned. Because
you can't be sensitive, you can't have your voice called.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I thought, doctor Ricky Jones, great visiting with you again.
Love you brother, I love your back, baby,
Happy Halloween from news Radio eight forty wh s Terry
Miners here, Ian Virtue's working along today and doctor Ricky
Jones in studio. I did my best to keep that
stay out of the studio sign lit, but you came
in anyway.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey, I kicked the door down, like Big popa pump
up here here if you remember Big Papa Pump.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I saw your tweet you reply.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Ian was standing in the door trying to keep me out.
Paul Miles was standing in the door trying to kick
me out. Of punch Paul Miles in the face and
kick Ian in the knee.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
You're so tough. I just never realized what a tough
because you're usually a lover. You're just a person who's
all about love. Today you were just like, let me
in the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I am a man's man.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You're a military that we appreciate your service to the country.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I tell people that too, because somebody was talking to
me today Terry and Ian after the piece that I
wrote in the Current Jonal. So there's some people in
Kentucky mad at me because I wrote it.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
You're always mad at you. But I read the piece.
It was poignant.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
But you know, some body said, you know, they might
try to string you up down on Main Street for this,
and I said, y'all got to remember I actually have
military training, so I'm gonna be all right the.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Question, don't remember that stuff you learned basic?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Not really, but I like to think it's instinctive that
it'll come back to me.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, I don't know. How's your daughter?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
My daughter's great, man. She you know, her school volleyball
season is over, she's getting ready to take the Act.
She's taking five advanced placement classes, had her volleyball. Her
college recruitment season is really starting in Earnest had a
call the other night with a recruiter from the University
of Chicago, which is one of her top schoolstic. So
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she's she's doing well, man.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And her mom is very smart, and so thank god
for that, because I was waiting for you on the
f take. Is she a good test take her? That's
always a thing because I know Jordan's a very smart
and as an accomplished student. Is she good at test taking?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Look, you know Jordan does everything well. So the short
answer is yes, yes, she takes tests really well. People
have to understand, man, I'm lucky, all right because while
Jordan's mother and I are not married, we are a
good parental partner ship team. Well, you communicate and her mother,
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you know, has a pH d. You know, they just
gave me a PhD because they wanted to just get
me out of school because I was calling. But I
tell people all the time, man, you better not have
a baby with a dumb person. You're gonna have a
dumb baby. So I had a baby with a smart
person because God knows, I made some bad choices in women.
I done dated everything from pole dancers to PhDs. Man,
(02:53):
So if I got stuck with a baby from somebody
in between from my strip joint days, so God blessed.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I don't think I knew that part about there was
a pole dancer in your life.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
No, no, brother, there were well, and let's be let's
be respectful. They weren't pole dancers. They were were There
were models. They were shoe models, shoe models, shoe models.
At the end of the day they are on stage
with nothing but shoes. But yeah, dated a few shoe models. Man,
they were good to me.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well, I know what an actor you are too, because
you and I got into that that ring that we
were managers at the wrestling thing Ohio belly wrestling, and
you turned into some guy I didn't even know, and
your acting skills were Like one point, I was thinking
to myself, who is this man?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Shout out to ass No man. Ov W was fun.
I might have to go back.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
To You were very condensing in that role.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, that's one of the most fun things I've done
in the last twenty years, love ov W.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
All right, we're gonna do two segments. They We're gonna
do one later in the media on the media and
all the coverage. It goes with the politics. But I
want to talk about your calumn today. Okay, that's coming
on in the last twenty four hours online for the
Courier Journal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are very disappointed in
this commonwealth of Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Look, I told the truth about this Commonwealth of Kentucky.
And for the people who have not read anybody who
knows me and they've read my writing followed me, they
know I love this Courier Journal. Full time writer Joe Girth.
I'm not a full time writer, you know, I'm a
I'm a literary mercenary. But Joe Girth is a full
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time writer with the Courier Journal. I love Joe Girth's writing.
I mean, he is brave man. I mean, we got
some of these college presidents and the negroes who serve
them on their plantations. They're their diversity officers so called,
and their diversity offices.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
You're gonna reference Stephen from Django.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's a good reference. That's a good reference. Oh no,
sing y'all, candey. I mean, that's that's the way some
of these negroes are who work work for these people.
I mean, but they basically have marchin orders to never
mentioned black people. These are black people. Won't mention black people.
They won't mention institutional racism. They won't mention white supremacy.
They will not mention it. And I challenge you, if
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you go over to some of these diversity offices and
you scream white supremacy in their hallway, all of them
will probably jump out of a damn window.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But Joe Girth mentions these things in his column. He
writes about anti black racism, he writes about white supremacy,
he writes about institutional structural racism. He doesn't he he
is a white brother. I love him. I love him
more than you Terry Minus. I know because you begin
to disappoint me, but you didn't want to even even
let me in today. But Joe Girth wrote a piece
asking why does Donald Trump have so much support in
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Kentucky because he doesn't stand for the things Kentuckians stand for. Now,
I don't know if Joe's being talking cheek or not,
but I wanted to respond to him. I'm like, look, nah, dog,
Trump actually stands for everything that a good percentage of
Kentucky and stand for. Now, let me be clear, Kentucky
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has every right to be exactly what it is, an incestuous, clannish, nativist,
racially retro grade white f no state that has no
desire to change, all right, it more than likely will
be one of, if not the first state called for
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Donald Trump on Tuesday Night, because it was in twenty sixteen,
and it was in twenty twenty, but only.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
In Kentucky actually gets called every four years. First we
are because in two thousand and eight, in four two thousand.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And that's cool. They have a right to do that, right,
they have a right to be that. There were only
six states, six states over the last eight years that
voted for our dear brother Donald Trump, who isn't an
he is an entertaining fellow. Kentucky was only beat out
by six states four states in twenty twenty sixteen, and
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they two more got added in twenty twenty. Those they're
only six states that support Trump more heavily than Kentucky.
And so I just went down the list on why.
And so I'm like, Kentuckian's got a right to love
Trump and not. People mad at me, Well we hate you,
Ricky Jones, Well I don't like you either. But it
is it isn't even a thing about loving or hating.
(07:18):
It's just a piece that describes it. It might be one
of my last pieces in the current journal. Who knows.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
But you wrote many of those slurs you just threw
at us for the commonwealth of Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But how do you not slurs accurate adjectives in your mind?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
How do you know that people just weighing the two
major candidates here don't choose the lesser of two evils.
They think that Kamala's not up to the job. They
didn't like Hillary in twenty sixteen, and Joe Biden obviously
prevailed in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Look, man, I ain't crazy about any candidates for the
most part. You know that. I mean, I'm a political
scientist who actually do a lot of research on politics.
But there's another piece that I wrote this on my
substack page. We'll talk about this more in the next segment.
I think, cau it's not just Trump, and I'm being
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very serious right now. If you look at the politics
of Donald Trump, the strategies, the approaches, the ideologies, there
are very very viable similarities to a lot of the
stuff that was done by people like Benito Mussolini, by
Mobutu in Zayir Mussolini was in Italy and Adolf Hitler
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in Germany in the run up to World War Two.
That's historically accurate when you look at this stuff going
on with him. I do believe, as Mark Milly and
John Kelly, people who actually worked for Donald Trump, who
said at New York Times said in Bob Woodward's latest book, War,
Donald Trump has serious fascist tendencies. Now, if you're cool
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with that, okay, but you need to know what you're
cool with. And again, let me repeat, I'm not a Democrat,
right I'm an independent. I have written stuff that was
critical of Kamala Harris. I wrote a book that was
critical of Barack Obama. But Donald Trump, that dude's on
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another level. And so people who cool with him, and look,
you get these people, well, I like his policies, but
then when you ask them what policies are you talking about,
they can rarely tell you what policies they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
That same works the same way. Conversely, when you ask
Kamala supporters what are her policies? I don't know. I
just like her. We need a woman.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I think, Terry, that it's a false equivalency. I do
think that America is largely trending towards an anti intellectual
country that is entertaining itself to death. So it is very,
very hard to have legitimate conversations with people on either
side of the police spectrum. Because you're right, I certainly
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talk to some Democrats, right, and they're frustrating conversations to
have with them. They're not talking about anything intelligently. So
I'm talking about the people who are engaging this stuff intelligently, right,
I mean folks who actually know what they're talking about.
Like John Henry Clark said, I know a lot of
y'all don't know who John Henry Clark is, so go
(10:24):
ahead and get onto Wikipedia or whatever you do out
there Kentucky and figure out who I'm talking about. John
Henry Clark said, I only debate my equals. Others I
teach if they're willing to learn. So I understand when
people say, oh, the Kamala supporters can't ser you know,
support their stuff either. A lot of them can't. I
haven't said much about Kamala harris Man within my own community.
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I'm not fighting with the people that with the Howard,
you know, because a lot of folks, hey, she with
the Howard, Hey, hey, that it makes a great I'm
not fighting with the Akas. I'm not doing that. But
I do think that Harry who is a machiavellian politician
who is opportunistic, who changes her political views, you know,
with the win to get to a different position. She
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does that, right, all of them do it. That's the point.
But when you compare her to Donald Trump, you're talking
about two very different political animals.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Name the last Republican candidate for president who was not
called a fascist or hitler.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I don't think John McCain was a fascist, you know,
as nuts so as he was. I don't think George W.
Bush was a fascist, but people use those anyway. I
didn't see they're they're reigning in people's rights, and so
he's a hitler, he's a fans. I haven't seen very again,
very many learned people, intellectuals who know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Watch. That's the problem is the general messaging that goes around,
and social media has only exacerbated this problem.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Again, I'm not talking about them, Yeah, you know, I'm
not talking about them. I mean, that's like me having
a conversation with you about football. You don't know what
the hell you're talking about when you talk about football, right,
and so I don't pay very much attention to what
you say about football. You can't legitimately evaluate my Atlanta Falcons.
You can't legitimately evaluate your own Green Bay Packers. You
think they're going to the Super Bowl every year. The
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man on the street don't know nothing about politics for
the most part. So that's not really what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I'll stack my team up against yours anytime. Okay, the
same old playbook doesn't work, though. I think that's some
of those walls are crumbling down. But the same name
calling that goes on both sides. I don't know that
that's as effective as it is. Social media kind of grinds,
you know, is the monkey grinder here of over and
over throwing the same stuff out, over and over the
same acid, and people kind of go, yeah, I've seen
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this movie again.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'm trying to have a more substantive conversation about these
folks as I run back. I wouldn't say Mitt Romney's fascists,
wouldn't say John McCain was a fascist. I wouldn't say
w was a fascist. George H. W. Bush now he
was scary because he was a CIA dude. I don't know.
He was probably killed a lot of people. Reagan was problematic,
Barry Gold had some of those crazy fascist tendencies. Nixon
was just nuts. So, but I think Trump is different.
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But but my greatest concern is not Trump. My greatest
concern is the way the country is trending. The greater
question for me is what's causing millions upon millions of
people to be cool with Trump? Right that that's a
bigger question for me, because that doesn't go away after Tuesday,
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no matter who wins. I think that's a much more
troubling conversation because people think that Adolf Hitler khan the Germans.
That ain't true. Hitler wasn't a con man. He was
a strong man, but he was overt about what he
believed in. He wrote about it in a two volume autobiography,
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he talked about it in speeches over and over and
over again. Germans supported him. And so we have a
whole lot of Americans who support Trump. You know, they're
supporting a lot of this stuff, and it's kind of scary.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
There are a lot of learned people who say all
kinds of outrageous things. But the notion that troops will
be going down streets and there'll be tribunals and executions
of enemies ahead if Trump wins is insane and it
is a lie. I mean, I don't push that, you don't,
but I'm just telling it. Learned people, you're precious, learned
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people with whom you'll debate, but not others.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
But I think that you are being extreme, not you
terry miners, but anybody's being extreme when they say, look,
if Trump is elected on November fifth, you're gonna have
martial law declared on November sixth, and slavery is gonna
be reinstituted, right that that's not the argument that I'm making.
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The question is how is the country trending. You look
at the country. It is becoming more intolerant. It is
becoming more xenophobic, It is more tolerant of racism. It
is seeing things that were gained over a long periods
of time roll back. You talk about the Voting Rights Acting,
Civil Rights Act, the sixty four and sixty five, those
things are being rolled back. You look at the rulings
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coming from the Supreme Court, not just where race is concerned,
but where gender is concerned, where ethnicity is concerned, you know,
where voter suppression is concerned. You're seeing a lot of
these things roll back. So it's not about what happens
the next day, but it is about what happens in
the next decade. That's why I say, look, conversations the
Center on this one man are elementary and shortsighted. But
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woe be to the country that sits back and they
don't think this stuff can happen. Remember, Germany was a
democracy in nineteen twenty three when Adolf Hitler attempted a
coup and he was locked up. Okay, he was jailed
for a year. Ten years later he was legally installed
as chancellor a year later, legally installed as Furer of
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that country. So don't think it can't happen.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
But making comparisons to Hitler is what brings that jackass
to the roof in Pennsylvania trying to kill him, and
the other guy with the weapons and the other who
knows that's rhetoric. That moves it to a level where
it's like but.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I disagree with that right because I think that people
who say the comparisons of Hitler are hyperbolic are off.
If you have a conversation with someone who really understands
how the Nazi Party moved forward in Germany after the
end of World War One, when these incredible punishments were
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meted out against Germany, you know, when they had reparations paid,
when they had landstripped from them, when they were forced
to disarm, and how that country changed after World War
One in the run up to World War Two. People
who really understand that and how Hitler stepped through that door,
you will see very legitimate comparisons to what's going on
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as America changed. Is the way that it's looking socially,
ideologically and politically right now. So people who think that
it's hyperbolic usually are people when I engage them and
others engage them. They don't have a deep understanding of
places like Italy, like Germany, like Zaiir, like the Soviet Union.
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They don't understand what happened during the Bolshevik revolutions. They
don't get it. When people have a more mature understanding
of those things, they were like, wait a minute, this
isn't hyperbolic, and we better pay closer attention to it.
Nobody is supporting somebody trying to kill Donald Trump, right,
I'm certainly not supporting that. I'm not advocating that, but
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I am saying even if that happened, God bless us
that it did not, we would still have a serious,
serious problem in this country that goes way beyond Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, obviously, the culture sways back and forth. We're way
long here, so we're gonna stop here, We'll take a break,
come back after the bottom of the hour, and continue
because we're gonna get into media as well.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Doctor Ricky Jones goes wearing a serious hat today. I'm
glad to see it.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Because I'm worried about y'all, man, I'm worried about you.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
You love Kentucky and you know it. We make Bourbont
News Radio waight forty wh as Ricky Jones in the
studio with me here on news radio ad forty w
A says happy Halloween. We didn't even say that.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Thanks man.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Are you handing out candy tonight?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I always hand out candy. I love the kids. Rick
loved the kids.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
We're big candy bar people too. Oh yeah, we're handing them.
We're popular in the neighborhood. You've been to my house,
you know. You know the deal. We're full sized candy
bar people.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Oh that's why I tried to come to your house.
Your your wife barred me. So we'll talk about that
another time. Though.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Well, that's true because her girlfriends were coming over and
it was it was one of those wine drinking girls parties. No,
we wouldn't have been good with that anyway.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
It was it was her girlfriends. Let's be clear. It
was her girlfriends and their husbands. That's what she told me.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Well, she wouldn't lie to you. I guess that's what
it was. I don't know. We have a lot of events.
You don't get invited all of them.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I don't get invited to any of them. Come up
to we have chili, big popa pump boy.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
That's it, Come on.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
In, that's it.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
All right. Uh we we talked about the election situation,
and you're calling about Trump love in the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
Let's go on into media as well. There's so much
slamming that going on. And there's so many people that
send clips that will say somebody said this, and who
was taken out of context? And then you have major
what are known as major mainstream outlets that repeat it,
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like CBS evening News, like NBC News, you know, and
and it's getting a little crazy now in terms of
the credibility factor for a lot of people in journalism.
I'm worried about our industry, our media industry. It's become
a wild the wild wild West, with where one voice,
(19:51):
somebody like Joe Rogan has so much influence. He's one guy.
He doesn't have to verify things. But he's gotten so
popular that he swings a big mallet. Howard Stern still does.
He's been on for forty years. It's just interesting to
be the singular people get power. The late night comedians,
particularly Jimmy Fallon, Nice Sorry, Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert.
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They weigh in on politics every night, bam bam, bam,
hammer away. Is that too much power centered on certain individuals?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I think the argument is a larger argument, right, because
a lot of this stuff with some of those people,
it's either Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon. I think it's Fallin,
for instance, who we say has too much power. He's
been rolled back to four days a week instead of five, right,
because the network feels like they're economic constraints. You look
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at some of the educational decisions that are being made
in higher education in this country, they're being rolled back
because the education, you know, economic constraints. You look at
what's going on with newspapers in this country. So many
decisions are being made because of economic constraints. They have
nothing to do with journalistic integrity, nothing to do with education.
(21:08):
Now it's dangerous, right, So when you have the convergence,
I think of technological shifts in a country. When you
and I were younger, we will remember rotary telephones. Man,
we were coming through schools. We didn't have you know,
these little mini computers in our pockets they call cell phones.
You know, there was no Internet, so there's all this
access through different streams, you know, of information outlets, supposedly
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information outlets, but there's no checks on whether the information
is viable or not. And we've lost checks on that. Okay,
So it's good in this respect. What all of these
different platforms from x to Facebook, to threads to Instagram,
TikTok whatever, they democratize that space. Threads, I mean, threads
(21:56):
was a woeful failure, right, but there'll be something new
next week. But they democratize those spaces. That's good. And
the fact that they democratize those spaces is incredibly problematic because,
like you said, you can get anybody that can put
stuff out there. Now, when you couple that with a
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society that's intellectually lazy at best an anti intellectual at worst,
they're depoliticized to the point where they really don't pay
attention to what's going on. They become very very open
to all kinds of mad stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
But Fox News is like that too, And I'm not
speaking about that from the position of a Democrat who
hates Republicans or whatnot. But you watch a lot of
the stuff on Fox News, and it is an alternate universe.
What research has actually shown your most reliable information sources
on politics or whatnot on television come from PBS, on
radio come from MPR. But people ain't listening to that stuff.
(23:00):
So we're in a dangerous place, I think, not just
with bad information, but also the censoring of information that's
coming from what we would call legitimate platforms. And that's why,
you know, my relationship with the Courier Journal is a
(23:21):
little bit tenuous for me right now.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Oh interesting, Yeah, let's get back to that in a second.
But you don't think MSNBC is the same shill in
the same sense that Fox News is one for the
left one for the right. Why are they somehow christened? Ask,
Oh that's fair, No, it is, and it's the same nonsense.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I don't. I think again, it's a false comparison.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I know you don't. But but this is what I'm saying.
I MSNBC is definitely a shield for the left, Yeah,
no doubt, in the same way that Fox is a
shield for the right. But I don't think MSNBC c
is as willing to push patently false information in histories
(24:06):
as Fox is. I try to watch them all.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You know, I watched neither, but.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
See I do. I watch them all. I watch MSNBC,
I watched CNN, I watch Fox, and I get frustrated
by mal But some of the stuff on Fox. If
they fact checked Fox on a lot of stuff and
you have to pull it because it was erroneous information, yeah,
they got suit. They had to pay. I know that
(24:34):
Fox will be off the air. They wouldn't have enough
content to really feel shows. You know, I've been on Fox.
You remember when when me and Tucker Carlson went at
I saw that, you know, I mean, it's it's it's bad.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Okay. Back to newspapers, The Washington Post, LA Times refused
to make endorsements. I think USA Today, that's the parent
company of the Courier Journal, sort of stayed out of
the fray. And a lot of people feel like that
is suppression fear that Trump's going to win. We know
they're gonna pick Kamala Harris. They do everyth they pick
(25:07):
the Democrat. Every time you could you could put a
dog on there and say he's the Democrat. That's who
we think would be the best president. I mean they're
they're not picking Republicans.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Ever. Well, first of all, you know this ain't Fox News, Terry.
It is an overstatement to say that all of these
outlets always pick the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
The Washington Post, I went back and looked at all
their picks over the last thirty years, and they're they're all.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Okay, you can talk about the Washington Post, but you
can't say that about the Wall Street Journal, Right.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
But they're not They're not refusing, are they refusing?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Point is, different platforms make different choices. Yeah, okay, So
if you if you're reading the Washington Post and you're
reading the New York Times, you're going to find endorsements
over time that probably tack more towards the middle or
the left. You need some of these other platforms, you're
(26:02):
gonna find something different. See. But that's what's so important
about the diversification of media and varying journalistic outlets to
give you different points of view. I am all for
an open marketplace of ideas. Here's what I'm against. I
would not necessarily have a problem me personally, Ricky Jones
(26:24):
if the Washington Post came out and endorsed Donald Trump.
I'm saying that the journalistic platforms that is staked needs
to be open and honest about what it's doing and why.
You need to make choices based on the truth, based
on challenges in the marketplace of ideas, and based on
(26:46):
always trying to give your citizenry, no matter what their
political leanings, open and accurate facts. What I have a
problem with is somebody like Jeff Bezos or others making
a decision that we're going to stay out of it,
and it is clearly because of economic concerns. I think
that's incredibly problematic. When capitalism bleeds into choices that are
(27:13):
going to help or hurt American citizens, then you're talking
about something different.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
This is the problem I have when you talk no
matter what happens with Amendment Too in Kentucky come Tuesday,
because that's the big thing that people are pushing here.
The conversation really needs to be had. What's happening with
budgetary decisions that are not fully funding schools, public schools
in particular, where over ninety percent of Kentucky's children attend school.
(27:42):
If educational achievement right, educational opportunities are being limited because
politicians are making decisions not to properly fund these schools,
then you're not just impacting a space educationally, you're impacting
the citizenry of the place. So that's the problem that
I have with the Washington Post any other paper doing
(28:02):
what they do.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
We have a report card on the schools. There's been
no change in any funding of anything. And you can
look at where are we now after decades, one hundred
years of public educat whatever it is, where we are
versus should we tweak something, should we try something else
because we're not doing that. Well, that's one of the
arguments for Amendment two. I'm just telling him. That's why
(28:25):
I hear on the announcements. Come on, I don't want
us to run out of time neither. What about you
with the Courier Journal. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, it'll have to be a longer conversation, so I
don't want to hold us too long.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Do you not like writing or is the demand too frequent?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
No? No, no, no no. I love writing all right.
I'm a committed writer, and I'm asking people because I
just launched a new adventure in writing, go to my
substack pages is the free mind of Jones. What I
am against, though, is censorship. I like editors who enhance
my work. I don't like to be in a space
(29:00):
where I feel apprehensive when I'm turning something in and
whether or not somebody's gonna publish it because they see
it as too controversial, too hard hitting. The piece that
I wrote, for instance, last week, it's not just Trump piece,
where you can find on my substack page and you
visit my ex page whatever, that was originally written for
(29:22):
the Courier Journal. They didn't want to publish it. They
refuse to publish it. Wow, because you know, they were
one making the argument that they're under a mandate to
only publish stuff that is local, which I think is insane.
It's highly even though Amendment TO is important, there is
a presidential election going on in this country, and if
you're in a space where you're putting stuff out that's
(29:45):
talking more about Amendment Too than a presidential election, it
seems to me that that's wrongheaded. I don't think that
there are enough interesting things going on just in the
city of Louisville for me to write about them every
two weeks. There are things going on in the country
and the world that I think also impact Louisville that
(30:05):
I would like to write about, and I'm not sure
that the Courier Journal is, you know, on that path.
I mean, dude, they got headlines about, you know, restaurants
opening and closing. I mean, they are the headlines.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I see that. You know, they don't have any employees.
They have somebody in Dubuque. Iowall, I'm just making that up.
But somewhere else composing pages, other people printing elsewhere. All that,
there's not a busy, scurrying newsroom over here at sixth
and Broadway.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Well, look, I get that the Curry has been good
to me over the years. I've worked with some fantastic
people over the years, and I'm not saying that we
are parting company. I'm saying that we got to have
some talks to figure out if we're still aligned. Because
you can't be sensitive, you can't have your voice called.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I thought, doctor Ricky Jones, great visiting with you again.
Love you brother, I love your back, baby,
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