#515 - Reason

Interview with Reason on The Bootleg Kev Podcast.

Full video version of the episode is available on YouTube!

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ya ya, y'all. What's the deal?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Sha boy Reason check me out on the Bootleg Cap podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Wes West. All right, y'all.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Before we get into the episode, we gotta do this.
We just dropped these T shirts to celebrate five hundred
episodes of the bootlet Cap podcast. Yes, this is out, little
daytona five hundred vintage flip. All five hundred episodes are
on the back. Yes, you can do the gray, or
you could just go black. The black is fire too.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
So look, if you go right now man bootleg cab
dot com and you cop yourself a five hundred epis
T shirt, I'm.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Gonna throwing a pair of socks.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
We got the bootleg camp odd Socks. You already know
the bootleg Cab podcast sponsored by odd Socks, so it's
only right we're throwing a pair of odd socks for
every T shirt sold. So bootleg cab dot Com, thank
you everybody for supporting five hundred episodes. Let's get into
the next one right now, Come on, yo, boutlet cap

(00:54):
podcast man.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Special guests in here. My guy Reason is back, Yes, yes,
finally after Yeah, he missed the podcast when he rolled
out porches, but he's here. Two years later. Welcome sir,
I apologize about that. It's all good, man, it's all good.
You had a lot going on, yeah I did. I
had a lot on the messiest album out of all time.
Yeah yeah, but we're here. How you been, man, I've

(01:15):
been good. I've been good.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Just rebuilding, you know, finalizing the team, finalizing projects. I'm
trying to drop three this year, so I just been working.
Like I was telling my manager Jy, like I'm exhausted,
but a good exhausted, like not not like burnt out.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
So yeah, I mean for you is that kind of
like it's got to feel good to be like I
can put out three albums this year and it's up.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
To you, right, it's up to me. And knowing that,
like if I wanted to come out, it'll come out.
It's like little things like I was. I was talking
to the team and like when we dropped out of
joint with Bo's not what you think, that was the
first joint that I've ever dropped that wasn't at least
a year old. So that was crazy for me, Like
I've never put out a song that wasn't at least
like at least a year at least a year, like,

(01:55):
so I was still emotionally connected with it. Cause that's
one of the things, like whenever I would drop music,
it would be hard to talk about me because I
wasn't even that person anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
You know, It's crazy people don't realize like artists they
I guy, what you call demoitis is that in yea
where you get tired of your own ship hasn't heard it.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
You either get tired of your own ship or you
hear it one way so long that then when it's
about to come out, the label might like make a
last minute change to it, and now you hate it
because you're like or you're like, no, I like the original.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
I like the original, or the fans don't know but
the fans don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Or you figure out you couldn't clear the sample, you
got to remake the sample, and now you hate the record,
but they love it, but you hate it.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
And it's like, yeah, that's got to be refreshing, man,
Yeah it feels. It feels good for you. Man. So
are you strictly independent? Do you got a distro situation? Like?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
What is I got like a partnership distro situation? A
lot of distros came to me It was funny because
a lot of labels like right when I left, of course,
like I had a lot of deals on the table,
but they were all just like throwing money my way.
But I just kept telling them like, bro, I just
got to like the last thing I want to do
is you know when money comes long term, I'm like,

(03:00):
why would I go into another situation like that? But yeah,
like a partnership distroal situation though, yeah, one that's like
under Next Records. So yeah, Next Records. I think they
got like Bennie the Butcher Davies, like a few people
that's in that pocket. So that was another thing that
interests me because it's kind of like in the wave
of kind of what I wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Speaking of waves, wave shout out to my mama. Yeah,
I appreciate it, yo, Uh talk to me like for you, man,
what is the last couple of years been like? Because
I feel like you probably found out one who like
some of your real friends are and who were just
like showing the street man, what was the process like

(03:40):
going through that? Man?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I was talking to my brother about that ship, like
I didn't see that coming. There were certain relationships. There
were certain relationships that I didn't know were as strong
as they were, Like I left, and then we became
even closer and tighter and people reached out and was
just like, yo, you know, I just want to let
you know, like you know, I fuck with you, our
rock with you, like you've always been solid. You know,
we locked in, And so I had more of those

(04:03):
than the other way around. But then there were certain
relationships where him like niggas un followed me like yeah,
like it's followed me like don't answer the phone no more,
and I'm just like all right, bet. But I always
look at stuff like that as a blessing because it's
it's better to kind of know than to you know,
have a situation where you know, people just if they
feel like they got to choose side, which I've always

(04:24):
tried to like tread the line of making people not
feel like they have to choose sides and telling the
story in a way to where you know, people don't
feel that way, but if they feel like they got
a cheoe sides, people choose sides. And there's just certain
relationships that I had where it's still love on my end,
but I could tell that it was like, oh, so
you was just fucking with me because I.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Was TD, you know what I mean, which is it's
all good. Was there anybody with TD that like they
used to keep in contact with?

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I still I still talk to Ray and then I'll
still talk to DOCIH shout out to Doci. She's going
fucking insane. Yeah, but I knew that was the day
I met Doci. I told Moose, was like, she's fucking
like yeah, Like I think.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
You were there when she had a little like introduction
to LA party where she performed and it was like
some airplanes shure, yeah, yep, yep. I was just like,
what the nah, bro?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Like the the thing about Dochi that's so special, bro,
is that if you like, from the day I met her,
if you have a conversation, she's always talking like long term,
like she's always she was always thinking like nine steps ahead,
and to be that young black woman in this industry
where it's at right now because the best time for
black women also talented and to have like that type

(05:34):
of mind, I was just like, yeah, she's out of here,
you know what I mean. So those are probably the
only two though that I still like keep in contact with.
If I run into niggas though it's love and I
just running a start not too long ago. Yeah racist, yeah, yeah,
she was so purpose.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
I feel like it's crazy, like how she rolled out
her career because she like this new album is like
really like a boombab rap album. Yeah yeah, but like
her biggest record prior to this was the what it
is before that, it was The Persuasion.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, that's what I tell people, bro, It's like her
her bag is like I genuinely believe. And I see
some of her fans, so the dochik don't come from
me but I because they hate comparing. But I genuinely
believe she's gonna be like as big as Beyonce in
the Rap. I genuinely yeah. I literally have said that.
I think she's going to be there. There will be
a day where she's the biggest artist on the planet.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah. I mean she had my Alma of the Year
last year. A lot of people want, you're fucking crazy.
I'm like, well, you haven't heard the album. And then
all of a sudden, the Grammy buzz starts rolling and
everybody gets hip and then that fucking uh she did that?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (06:34):
DENIALA is the river with the Yeah, kids, that shit's over. TikTok.
Yeah wow Yeah for you man. You said, you know
when when you when you came in, you were like
kind of had to get away a little bit. Was there,
like a like a reset you had to go through
because I feel like you've had like a you've had
like a great career for an artist, especially someone who

(06:56):
makes fucking real ship, you know what I'm saying, But
like rap rap music of get thrown in the blender
in terms of like leaving TDE and some of the
shit that was out there were like like how did
you kind of prepare yourself mentally for like this new
era of your career.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I definitely had to hit a reset. I was living
like too close. I call it, like living in your
work when you live in like Hollywood and shit like that,
you know what I mean. Yeah, so it's like everywhere
you go, you know what I mean, It's just like
music or entertainment shit, you know what I mean. So
kind of moved out a little bit east and whatnot.
And then I just got back like in the studio alone,
like just on some studio shit, like trying to rEFInd

(07:33):
the love.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
For it because I had lost the love for it.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
It started feeling like I was like just clocking into work,
like when I would go to the studio at the
TD Base, like I would feel like literally, I started
feeling like when I had a job, like Okay, I'm
here and I'll be looking at the clock like how
many more hours of my session?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
And so when you're when you're in a creative job
and you feel that way, it's never gonna go well
because your mind got to be in a certain space
to even want to create, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
And so it's funny.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
I was talking to my boy about it, and I
was sending him the ship from me and Kas's project
coming out, and he was like, bro, you got like
way better. And I told him, I was like, I
don't think I got way better. I just think I
started liking it again, you know what I mean. I
started liking doing music again. So I wasn't kind of
just punching the clock anymore and just kind of getting by.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, you love what you do, You're better at You're
just better at it. You get what I'm saying, You're
just better at it.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
And I think that you know that RESET really helped
me I got away from I wasn't kicking it, you know,
at industry places no more. I wasn't kicking it with
artists nomore. I was just with the homies, you know
what I mean. And then when I was in the studio,
I was just with my engineer, Kaitel, and we was
just like throwing shit at the wall. Don't We're not
looking for a single. We're not looking for We're just
looking to just like get shit off, you know what
I mean. And so wrote out all of my feelings,

(08:43):
the feelings that I can't, you know, necessarily talk about
about everything that happened, just to get those out, and
then started falling back in love with it.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
And yeah, so yeah, yeah, I mean that's one thing
that you kind of mentioned in passing. Obviously, you and Cosben,
you guys had my favorite song on the on the
Dreamville project. Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, I know
the fans have been waiting to see what's gonna happen
with this, Yeah, year, long time. The theory of an
album between you two, Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's one

(09:11):
hundred percent coming. It's probably a lot easier to make
happen now, to be quite yeah, yeah, and Coz has
some label situations, not with Dreamville but with Interscope if
I can't say that cause I'm sorry, but he's he's
figured that out now too.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
So now it's like super easy, you know what I mean?
And uh, same thing with us Bro. We had like
forty five records, and because every time we would lock
in for like three months and do some records, then
we would.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Hit a wall, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
And then it was on my end, I'm like, okay,
I know with TD, I'm probably only gonna drop once
every two to three years. Do I want to waste
my drop with cause, like you know what I mean.
So it was always a thing like that. And then
with Kas, same thing, you know, with him, not the length,
but just like him being like okay time and wise
does it make sense? But now with me independent with
him like basically independent, it's super easy. Like the track
list is basically locked in. We're just finishing up a

(09:58):
couple of loose strings kind of like concept. No, actually
it's funny because we actually like it sounds a lot
different than I think people are gonna like assume it
a sound.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
It's it's super fun.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
It's a lot of raps of course, but we got
like a lot of records that like, it sounds like
very very much LA. And I think that's different because
me and Cos both don't necessarily sarirely have like the
typical LA sound, right, Yeah, but it sounds very LA
and it's it's a fun album. We had a lot
of fun making this ship over the years, for real,
Like we got some of my favorite records I've even

(10:29):
ever made period on this album.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
So yeah, you put Ransom and Coyote on a song together,
which is so awesome and random and random is Ransom
is like one of the most prolific independent rappers bro ever,
Like this guy is a fucking beast.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, shout out my Doug Ransom mixtape.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Legend, Independent Legend, and the Coyote obviously on the new
side of the La Ship. They're going crazy.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, I gotta, I gotta my schedule being crazy. We're
shooting a video for it. But I also got to
you know, they go crazy with the content. I need
to catch up with them and they go crazy.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Have the best videos in the game. Crazy independent bro.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
They be having mariachi bands behind them in the Instagram videos,
like full blown and these are like real Mexicans, Like
these are real Mexicans with the hats playing it Like
that ship is crazy to me, bro, Like they.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Do not play with the content is something like because
I because I knew them when they were signed with
Whack Yep, and they've kind of gotten into this like
funk where they couldn't release when they were kind of similar, right,
so then they just started dropping it on Instagram and
that's when I just saw the flips and yeah, all
of that. Yeah, and then everything they do is on

(11:39):
the phone. Yeah. Yeah, bro, that ship is crazy. But
people would think that they have like a content, it's not.
It's like it's like Guapo and and they're just they
they do their own ship. They just do their own cut. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
No, they're they're super They're super inspiring to me because
they like so everything about me and Coyote's relationship is random.
Like I met them in the barbershop and didn't even
know they do me at first, and then well the
that's what I'm saying, Like, yeah, so they cut next
to my barber at the time, and then like.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Something ended up coming up in conversation.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I was like, y'all do music and I was like,
send me some shit, and then they were hard and
I'm like all right, bet, And then i started following
them on the Gram and I'm seeing the video. I'm like,
all these niggas is like crazy. So I met him
like when they were still signed the Whack but started
doing the videos and so I'm like, okay, they actually fired.
So we did that record a while ago, but we
did it before Porches actually, so yeah, definitely a while ago.
And I was gonna put it on Porches but ended

(12:30):
up holding back off of it, and then they were
about to put it out and I told them that
they could, but then we talked about doing this project,
so I was like hold on. So yeah, it ended
up working out. And then Ransom I actually met him
through my engineer, and I just I wanted another rapper
on it.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
I just felt like a posse cut and so yeah,
but it worked though, and they versus they smoked it.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
They smoked it. Yeah. Are you already kind of like
like honed in on your album, like in terms of
like is it like kind of coming together?

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, So like so so it's funny, like I know
everybody's calling this one album, but it's really a mixtape,
and I mean like not like everybody says, oh, I'm
dropping a mixtape and then it's like an album. Like
when you hear it, it's like a mixtape. You can
hear you hear me talking to the fans. It's really
a thank you to the fans. And it's probably something
I'm gonna do continuously between albums. So it's really kind
of like a life update, kind of like Little Wayne

(13:19):
did with the dedications when he was stopping. Just talks
like that. But album wise, yeah, I'm probably like sixty
percent done. I'm kind of like in feature mode, trying
to figure out what features I want, figuring out like Okay,
what do we want the singles to be. I already
have a concept and so yeah, I'm probably like sixty
sixty five percent done, but that won't come out till
that'd be the last project this year, so that'd be
like my first independent like solo album, you know what

(13:43):
I mean since the split stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Man, Yeah, yeah, how have the fans been because there
are a certain amount of fans who are kind of
just like cult members with TD for sure, with your
benefit from yeah, of course, of course, right away. But
then I'm sure there's also a portion of those fans
who might back up off you once you leave the label.
Is that something or have the fans.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Solid Honestly, the fans have been The fans have been
like consistent all the way throughout, like the fans that
didn't because you know, there's TV there's a wide number
of TD fans, and there's TD fans that they don't
like any artists besides the Big Four, you know what
I'm saying, and then there's artists that you know, they
only fans that they only, like I said, were shot
or whatever. So the only the fans that didn't like

(14:24):
me before they were consistent, and they still don't like me,
because when you saw with TD, there's gonna be TD
fans that don't fuck with you.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
It's just how it works.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
But the fans have been pretty The only fans I
really lost were fans that I shot myself in the
foot in But I had to do that to get
out of the the label deal. When the when the
Dot and the Drake beef started, I felt like topping
them were kind of like dragging their feet a little bit.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
I don't think purposely.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
I just think they had a lot of shit going on,
and I knew that if I kind of like sparked
a fire a little bit, that they'd be like, we
got to separate from this. So I kind of like
started tweeting shit on the side of Drake purposely because
I saw how how yeah, so there's fans that hate.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Me for that? And wait, wait, what was the main
the main tweet that fans hated you for they hated
me when I remember that was just like you just
like yeah, this is crazy. But I was purposely doing it.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
So I was talking to my boy LTA and he
was like, bro, you got to turn it up if
you want to get out of here in this year,
Like this is gonna drag, Like I know how because
he's the lawyer. He does contracts, Like I know how
this ship works, Bro, it should have take two and
a half years unless you turn it up. So I tweeted, uh,
it was right after Push Ups Drop. I tweeted like
y'all hating this beat switch up his fire and then
I like let it sit for like ten minutes and

(15:30):
deleted it. It went crazy and then you know what
I mean, And I still had the reason TD So
it looked like insane, right, look like super crazy. So
I tweeted that and then I also I had a
rap radar that I did, I mean, not a rap radar,
the grain room.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Why am I on the radar?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
On the radar, Yeah, on the radar that I did
over a drake beat. But this was before the beef
even started.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Wow. So they hit me.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
They're like, yo, we was about to drop it, but
we don't want to, you know, damage your situation.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Run that, run it, run it. Let's do it like
run it.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
And so that I had like five million views on Twitter,
and it was like mixed reviews, like some people like
this think of gas and this shit fired, don't matter.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Then other people like, what the fuck are you wrapping up?
Because you know, fans think you recorded it today, you
know what I mean. So if it dropped today, you
recorded it today. And so we did that and then
that went viral and kind of ran it. So I
just knew it was sensitive times, and I knew business
wise it would make the most sense for them to
separate from me at that point, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
And that shit worked like a month later. A month later,
I was expeditiously.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
It was fast. It was fast.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
It was like a month later it was like yo,
we yeah, it's done. So paperwork was in my email.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
You.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
I feel like when like not to take it back
too far, but yeah, were you purposely when you had
the issue like the whole back on fake situation with
Musa and obviously when viral and was crazy, was that
also on purpose? No, that's just like you just like
that was like to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
And so the accountability I take, and I know that
nobody else in that situation takes accountability, but that's okay.
But the accountability I take is that I never watched
anything in that podcast world, so I wasn't familiar with
how they do things. I just knew, like I didn't
know even though Mackwap was gonna be there, Like I
thought I was doing a podcast with a D and Trail.

(17:14):
So I hit a D in his DMS and he
was like, bet, let's do it Monday, And then I
text AD. He didn't answer, so I just hit up
t Reil. I didn't really know Troll like that, but
I assumed that they were doing it together. So I
hit up Trail and Treel was like, bet, yeah, like
you good for Monday, come Monday, not knowing that there's
two different ye.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
So when Mackwap walked in the room, I just thought
he was pulling up to kick it. And then when
he sat down, I'm like, oh shit, like AD's.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Not gonna be here. What's going on?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, exactly, And then I was drinking Herodora and then
like then, So for me, it wasn't on purpose, but
I thought that it was a safe space because Trel's
CU's best friend, Mackwap is qs DJ. I'm thinking, we're
in a TD space and we're never gonna like the
last place we're going to get into this type of
situation is a is a TDE podcast. Like if anything,
we're gonna be protected. You get what I'm saying. Like,

(18:02):
so usually when I do interviews and sit down, so
when now, I'm very aware of what's going on, and
so that's the accountability I take.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
I just wasn't aware.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
And they started off the pod with like, why are
you dropping out of nowhere? You ain't had no promotion,
and so I already been drinking, and so it just
it kind of you know what I mean, like it
just spiraled or whatever, and Yeah, I just.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
I just wasn't. I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
I didn't have my intentas up you know what I mean.
I didn't read the wrong you know what I mean?
Good enough, and then it spiral. But it was a
tough situation to get to get through. But I tell
people all the time that was the biggest blessing because
I wouldn't have I don't think I would have gotten
out of my contract without that going so public.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
You know what. That was crazy? Yeah, it was insane.
One thing I had moosho. I was like, oh wait,
oh no, it went left.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
And that's the thing is, mind you, I'm intoxicated the
entire show, So you got to like put yourself in
my shoes. But I've taken like eight Like I could drink,
but I've taken like eight shots at this time. You
get what I'm saying. So when it all goes left,
like I'm not the only thing I knew how to
handle it. The best way is to just kind of
like shut up, you know what I mean, Like as
much as I could, you know, I went back and

(19:03):
forth with them a little bit, but I didn't want
to crash out because the way I would have crashed
out off a liquor would have been like way worse,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, it's interesting because that that uh I guess like
with the streaming dynamic, it's all live.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, so you can't even fix it. It ain't even
like you can like, yo, hey man, that's not right,
that's not yeah, let's let's just skip to you know
that forty minutes. That's just not It was live, and
so I'm there, I'm seeing the chat go like it's
it was a lot, you know what I mean, it
was it was going crazy, but uh but.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
It was it was.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
It was.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
It wasn't as like, to be honest with you, the
part that that moment didn't like I didn't even leave
the place like super mad or nothing like that. The
part that bothered me the most was just like afterwards,
like you just kind of like what we were talking
about about the relationship, Like you you're in a label
that you feel like his family, and then when something
like that happens and you don't see the family dynamic

(19:57):
of it and you see yourself just kind of get
put on an island. I'm like, oh, this is just business.
So at that point I'm just like I bet that
I don't necessarily need to like basketball.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
It's like, what you get traded, You're like, oh, bro,
that's the exact way, and you just like, oh, damn.
Like y'all, y'all like the nigga better than than me
that traded for me. You know, when Luca got traded,
You're like like a d like damn.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Like I've been grabbing boards every night, like you know
what I mean. And so it's kind of like that,
you know what I mean. And so to get put
on the island and it not be I'm used to
family being like, you know, if two people in the
family fight, we keep it in the house. But like
y'all just even if y'all got to catch a fade,
y'all just faded out and then we're good for it
to be like the way that it was. And I
still got love for everybody over there. I just I

(20:38):
just realized it was just an eye open experience. I'm like, oh,
it's just business, and if it's business, then I gotta
do what makes the most sense business for me.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
It was kind of like the most like it was
like because TV's like the least messy label for publicly. Sure, Yeah,
and to just kind of have the curtain Like yeah,
I'm like, oh this is not I'm sure. I'm sure
Top was not very happy. Yeah happy, He wasn't happy.
He wasn't happy with me. I can't imagine he wasn't
happy with either.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
No, he wasn't He wasn't happy with Yeah, Top, top is.
Top is very is very fair, you know what I mean.
So he wasn't happy with either one of us. And
you know, top is is very much like like you said,
like keep everything in house, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Exactly exactly. It's literally that we didn't know.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
We didn't know time Brady and Bill had anything until
it was over, you get what I'm saying, Like we
had no idea, And that's very much how how Top is.
And honestly, that was what I felt the most bad
for is Like regardless of where me and tops relationship
is now, Like I love Top and I appreciate everything
that Top did for me. Like this is a nigga
that when I was broke, would just give me money

(21:40):
just to keep the lights on, you know what I mean.
So there's no there's almost nothing outside of like you know,
saying something about a family member of mind that Top
could do for me to ever.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, I think just at this point, like I think
he's it's pretty much like.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
It's it's it's like it's it's yeah, he's in the rafters.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
But I think I think just you you be. I mean,
when we think about TD you now at this point,
it's like, you know, me and a problem had a
back and forth about a year ago in which I
was arguing that death Row because we were talking about
death Brow. Yeah, and I was on the death Row side.
But I think I'm on the TV side. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(22:21):
because when we think about just like because death Row
was like a flash in the pan, right, it was
like like a four year period for real, for real,
like five years tops. But like the TD run is
it's a whole nine you know, with Jay Rock signed
with Warnerton now it's like yeah, and then you know,
if you just think about just like the biggest pop star,

(22:43):
I mean and then Kendrick.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
They have the biggest pop star, they have the biggest rapper,
and then the biggest up and coming artists all on
the same label.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
It's crazy. It's crazy, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
So yeah, I think top is I mean, in my opinion,
and I could be wrong, but I got them at
either one or two of Label of all time.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I don't think he's number one man. Yeah, yeah, no,
that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Like, I don't I don't think that you could really
kind of argue with because I've never seen Like I said,
we obviously don't know anything about behind the scenes and
nothing like that. But but you know, for the most part,
you could kind of point to any Label executive and
be like they did some goofy shit.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, think about Russell Simmons. Don't
think too much about him, because then you might then
you're you know, then you like damn or like or
even like Sugar or whoever the fuck you could go
through it even like you know, you know, the dudes
from QC have some you know, uh, the one guy.
But but Top I feel like, fuck man, like he's

(23:37):
I don't know, man, I just and then just like
the one thing about Top I appreciate is he signs
reason he signs, sir, he signs like, he signs, he builds.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
You don't have to have the following. Like He's confident
enough that to me, that's what separates him is that
a he has a better musical ear than people give
him credit for. Like I always tell people everything top
ever told me to do musically worked, and everything that
he told me to do that I didn't do, I
ended up wishing I did it, you know what I mean?

(24:07):
And I mean like down to specific songs, taking lines out,
switching beats, like oh, you know, switching flows every single
Actually there's one song I wish I didn't listen to him,
but that's like minor. But yeah, every ding, like his
musical ear is like crazy, you know what I mean.
And so that putting an album together, like understanding when
the album you know, like what fits where, Like he's

(24:30):
super fire at that. And then like you just said,
like the confidence to be like as long as the
artist is dope, yeah, nobody, nobody, Yeah, nobody, nobody. Nobody's
bolded enough to do it that way. Artists developments, Yeah,
so nobody's nobody's bold enough to do it that way.
And I think that's what like completely separates.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I feel like a lot of people don't understand like
the the like Long Trip to Scissors, Control was likesics
Control came out in twenty seventeen, but like there was
this huge like thing about her not dropping music and
and look now and you know they're doing stadiums. It's crazy. Well,

(25:10):
we got to talk about the beef since you brought it? Yeah,
worst el than Jah rup? Is it a bigger is
it a bigger el than jar rule?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I think I think it's too early to say because
Joah's career, I hate even saying this on camera, became
a verb. Yeah, and people said he became a verb
and his career was essentially just over, you know what
I mean. And so I think it's too early to
call it because we don't know if Drake's career is over.
I think that if Drake's career is over, which I don't,

(25:40):
I don't think will happen. To be honest, I think
he's too big. I think he's too big. That's what
I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
So I think I don't. I think, no matter what,
Drake will have a place exactly a certain level of success,
exactly exactly. But I think I think it's an example
of like when the people choose like. For me, I
personally hate the beef, and I only hate the beef
because to me, this had a potential to be like
the most like entertaining beef from like a rap perspective,

(26:05):
like I thought the black thick it was, see, I
don't view with it once once it got too messy
for me. It was like it was it was hard
for me to like which which it was, which rap
beefs are messy, not messy like that though, like when
we start talking about like hitting your significant other and
pedophe Like to me, it crossed the line where I feel,
I feel nasty, you know what I mean, Like the

(26:26):
Nas and jay Z bef got extremely nasty, not pediphid,
dirty cond on NAS's child's baby.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, but fucking your bitch is always going to be
in rap, Like that's like a thing that's gone, that's
been in rap since the history, you know what I mean,
since the beginning of the time. Like to me, that's
not that crazy. And I don't even mean on doc
I mean on both ends, like well, listen.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
On your forury. He kind of told him, like no,
for sure, for sure like at the end of it,
don't find out.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Exactly at the end of the day, like you know,
everything that happened happened for a reason, no pun intended.
But if I just I wanted to see them like
like from a pen standpoint, I wanted to see them
go back and forth like more. And I feel like
it got so messy that it was like neither side
can like go anywhere else, never.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Any coming back from it. And that's what I'm trying
to say, is like like there's never gonna be a
point in time where where they they cool, and like
I wanted to see them and then be like, yo,
there won't.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Record, yeah exactly, and so that's never gonna happen. And
so that's the only part about it that I would
if I could like be the constructor of how it happened,
I would want that just because I'm a fan of both,
you know what I mean. And I think that now
we're at a point where and we're at a point
just in the industry where like everybody it just feel nasty.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Everybody has to choose a side.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
And when we're when we're in that space, to me,
we're not like allowing like honesty and authenticity to be
to live.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Like you can't.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
You can't be in a space of choosing size and
have honesty in it. You can't be in a space
of choosing size and have authenticity in it because you
have to just stand where you're at, like you know
what I'm saying, and we look at it like Mal's
my guy, but he's all the way on this end.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
It's fucking ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Malls wildless. And then Joe's my guy, but he's all
the way on this end. It's ridiculous, you know what
I mean. And so there there is no space to
be completely you know what I mean, unbiased and authentic.
By the way, if you just followed me on Twitter,
you would think I was the West Coast mall. But
for Kendrick, you've been going craze so much. The funnest
thing in.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
The world on Twitter for me to do right now
is to just throw some red meat to the ov hose.
I just throw I just I just I just bait them. Yeah,
I'll throw a tweet out there and I'll just let
it go. You just watch it. Just it just it
just takes on a life of his own. It's like
these are real people, yeah, bro like and like these
Drake fans, they're like their entire profiles dedicated to this day.

(28:44):
And then they're gonna tweet me about not getting pussy
like you, I don't even know what you look like it's.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Crazy, bro, And then do you so do you know
anybody in real life that's like that?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
No? So, No, Actually I have a friend about to
say I who has an Ovo tattoo and he'll and
I've been making fun of him for ten years. Yeah
that's crazy. But now it was like, yeah, after DJ
Yours truly, I'm like, bro, you got a fucking Ovo
owl on your shoulder. Fuck. But no, but there's people
with the song about say so.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I don't know a lot of people like that, but
when you meet it when you when you were when
you are cool with somebody, and then it's like that,
it's like yo, bro, like it's just us here, like
we can talk like like you know what I'm saying,
Like we can have a conversation, you know what I mean. Like,
and that's on both sides, Like I know a couple
of people that's like that on drake'son and I know
you know of course, because I'm you know, I was

(29:33):
with TD. I know a lot of people like that
on on Dots and and it just makes like barbershop
talk not as fun no more.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Like yeah, I mean I think if you're like if
it's like you're either mal or your me. Yeah. I mean, like,
I'll say this about Drake, like obviously, Drake's one of
the greatest rabbers of all time, for sure, biggest hit
maker ever for sure without adult uh. I think that
I've always been pretty critical Drake for sure over the
years that I've always there was always something holding me

(30:02):
back from like me putting him above like a few guys.
And then you know, this Battle just kind of reconfirmed
all those feelings I had.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
And I think that that's why a lot of people
chose the side that they chose, is because people have
been having a certain perception or feeling about somebody and
then it's like, like you said, like the Battle highlighted
those things and so people felt I think that they
felt their emotions seen. And the biggest thing I think
that the biggest takeaway that I tell artists with the

(30:31):
Battle is Jaco just releases his podcast series and he
he had he had a line from Dilated People that
he said he kind of lived his career by which
is worse come to worse my people first. And I
think that great record the Alchemists exactly, and I love
like I got relationships on on Drake's camp side as

(30:52):
far as like production, different things like that. But the
one thing that I do feel like as an artist
you could take from that situation is I think Drake
over the years could have done a better job taking
care of his people. Because to me, the difference in
the battle Dot one regardless. So even even to me
music wise, I think Dot put out the better records.
But I think the reason why it got as bad

(31:12):
as it got is because I think over the years
of just being such a big artist, I think Drake
did not take care of his core. So Drake might
have the bigger fan base like overall, but Dot has
the bigger core. And when you are in beefs, your
core is gonna be the one that's gonna like ride
and ignite the fire. And let's say Drake has ten

(31:33):
million fans and not only has five. Well, Dot has
four point five million core fans, and Drake might have
only had like one.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, it's almost like there's Drake fans that are Drake
fans just passively, That's what I mean. And it's like,
you know, it's almost like if you are a Drake fan,
you might not necessarily you know, most Death got some
hell because he said that Drake made great music to
shop at Target to Yeah, he was out of his mind.
It was hilarious. But like, but that's kind of like

(32:02):
true because there's a lot of people who might just
be shopping at Target. I got what comes on and
you're like, oh, I unders still but they but that
might be the only hip hop artist they listen to, right,
And then you know, you have all these Kendrick fans
who have been like anointing him to be like, oh,
because he for for better or worse, like Kendrick is.
He's been you know, in my opinion, he's been top

(32:24):
five for the last like seven eight years. But somehow
he's also kind of underground for someone who's doing arena
you have the underground feel, yeah, for someone who's still
doing arenas and doing the Black Panther soundtrack and winning
all these Grammys and shit. But he's he's his art first.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
He's found a way to keep his feel underground first.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
So it's like if he does an entire album like
Missing around the Big Steppers and it's about like therapy
and like looking in the mirror in like this crazy way,
and like most people don't get it, but the fans
who do get it are like, y'all know crazy this
shiite and this battle the way all these like like
YouTubers and TikTokers broke down every single little thing. Everybody

(33:06):
was like, this guy is surgical, and it's like, well,
he's always been he's always been away. Now it's just
you're just seeing him surgically like pick another human being.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
A part and like even and and the fans are
having a reason to like spread it even more, you
know what I mean, because because of the stage that
it's on.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Well, now it's like he's the I mean, this is
the I think this is the biggest run we've ever
seen an artist go on. He's got a hundred million
listeners on Spotify, which I mean before he two weeks
in a row. Last week he was the first rapper
to ever get ninety million listeners in a month. This
week is the first rapper to get a hundred million
listeners in a month. And then you know Drake, And
this is the thing about Drake is like Drake's just

(33:46):
I mean, alien level talented, right, But then he puts
out this party next Door album and it's a it
sounds like AI there's just no feeling in it. It's
it's like, I don't know. There's a couple of songs
give me a hug. I like, like, I like, I
like to know kill record, I like, give me a hug.
I like a spider Man a Superman. I personally liked

(34:08):
the album because I know I knew coming out, like
I didn't have felt like a bunch of throwaways from
like twenty thirteen.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
That that's I mean, I don't I don't necessarily like agree,
but I can understand why you're saying that, if you
know what I mean. But I like it because I
knew what it was for, Like I knew before it
came out. I put it in the box of like
the Honesty never Mind, which I actually thought was no.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I like honestly never Mind.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, I thought it was fire too, That's what I'm saying, Like,
so I put it in that box, and so I
didn't come into the I didn't come into listening to it.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
I think it's the worst Drakeout ever because I think honestly,
never Mind's better, and you think I think it's the
worst Drakeout member. And I think that's a problem when
you're Drake and you're like, yo, if you're gonna come
out with the slow jams on Valentine's Day, dog, you're
capable of making Marvin's room full, Like not, what have
you been doing the last eight months? Crying? I feel
that like you should be you. I was expecting, like, oh,

(35:01):
Drake's coming with like the hardest R and B shit
we've heard from him ever, because this is this is
his first release for real since See.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
But do you feel like that is affecting the way
that you see the album though, because I didn't view
it and will do it twice, like I didn't view
it like this is going to be the hardest RB
you get.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I'm staring on with my wife in the car, and
three songs in, she was like, this is new Drake.
This sucks Jesus Christ. And I was like night with
even dinner. I'm like, oh, the new Drake came out.
I was throwing on. She's like this is new. I'm like, yeah,
like my thoughts terrible, See and ship that's all the

(35:37):
other ship is. I tried, No, I give you listen
thing I want you.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
I give you credit for putting it on because that's
like kind of like against you know what.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
I mean you've been. It's weird because I actually like, uh,
I enjoy a lot of Drake music over the years.
I was, of course, I just you know, for me,
it's like, I don't know, man, it's just man, I
just feel dirty putting it on now. It's weird, even
though I love dude, like, nothing was the same as
a fucking and I always I always say this because
people will get on my head because I say Drake

(36:08):
doesn't have a consensus hip hop classic. And what I
mean by that is, if you put like a hundred
of like the top hip hop heads journalists in a room,
if you ain't getting ninety five percent of them, motherfuckers
to say that's a classic, it's not a classic like
a good Kid, Mad City or Dogy Style. Now. To me,
Drake's got like three classics to me. To me, I

(36:31):
got a me at four class I think the first mix, well,
not the first mixtape, the.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Well we count that I got him at five. If
we count so far gone.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
So far gone, I got so far gone, I got
take Care and nothing was the same. I know a
lot of people like the if you're reading this, it's
too late, that's a classic. To me, I just can't
get over the fact that I heard the fucking references.
I can respect that one hundred percent. Yeah, I can
respect one hundred percent. But those are those are to
me the three that I'm like, Yo, Drake's so I'm like,
I'm listen, I'm a hater, but uh, if I'm being honest,

(37:00):
like I love all three of those out. Yeah, Yeah,
for me, so Far Gone.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Made me like, I think so that's about saying I
think so far Gone is the consensus classic that you
were talking about. I don't see you getting in the
room with hip hop has and them saying so far
gone is not a classic point. But for me, I
got so far gone to take care nothing was the
same I do have. If you're reading this, it's too late,
and I got the future joint what It's time to
be alive? For me, how I judge classics is different though.

(37:27):
I judge it where if you can just put it
on and let it play and not have to press skip,
And that doesn't mean that there's no song you don't like.
It just means that you never get to a point
to where you feel obbly.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, what It's time to be alive? Had that was
crazy it was actually and so I judge it off
of that.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
I judge it off for impact, which is why I
always say now like there's no such thing as like
there's gonna be no new artists that can put out
classics anymore because of impact, because there's it's the game
is so convoluted that unless you're like a huge, huge
artist or about to be huge, I think it's really
hard to put out an impact Like I think, don't
she put out I think, don't she put out a classic?

(38:04):
But I'm saying like, you have to have that level
of impact. So if you're you know, an artist that
just can't make an impact in that way, it doesn't
matter how good the music is, it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah. I think it's hard, man, because at the end
of the day, like you said, there's just so much,
just so much shit. And it's not even just music.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
It's you know, it's it's almost like movies, it's podcast
it's it's everything, you know what I mean. Like Shannon
Sharp was having sex on the internet that lasted for
two days, Like when when it wasn't so much shit
going on, we would have been talking about that for weeks.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
You talked about that for maybe thirty six hours. We're
in this like a weird media space where the streamers,
you know, like a kid like Aiden Ross, like people
like his opinion on hip hop, people reachmatter matter, He's
not to know anything about hip hop.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
I love Kay Sannatt to death. I think everything kys
Sanata is doing is fucking phenomenal. But even the fact
he's obviously not a hip hop head. That's what I
was gonna say, obvious, the fact that you have people
dropping hip hop albums and feel like they are obligated
to stop at Kay sannat spot which and he's dope,
and you know, Kyle, I love Speed. I think I

(39:07):
think the one is is fucking phenomenal in there. I
think their visionaries, especially to be so young. But like
you said, it's I and he don't even try to
act like he's a hip hop He no. And that's
one of the reasons I love Kay is because Kay's
and I don't try to be nothing that he's not.
He don't give he don't give a fuck like they're
killing them right now because of what he said about Die,
But he genuinely don't give a fuck, And that's what

(39:27):
I love about him. He's just authentically Kai all the time.
But I say this to say, you got you know
people that are thirty three, thirty four feeling like obligated
that they got to stop there and spend a night
to get their album to sell. You get what I'm saying,
like for real, Like and it's like to me, that's
the part of the game that like, I just I
just hate that we're at now, is that nobody's doing anything,

(39:48):
Like nobody's doing shit because they love it anymore. Everybody's
treating it like a fucking job. And that's what I hate.
Like you don't see big rappers sitting down with keVs
or Charlemagne's or whoever. That like people that actually love rapping.
They're just going to wherever they think makes sense for
that album.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
That's all. Like a lot of artists now, if they're
a certain level, they're just gonna go do kaisonat that's it.
That's it, bro. Like Nicki Minaj, the only piece of
media she did, she went and spent the night with
Kayson And it's like, bro, like like I don't love
you spend the night.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I don't think she spend the night, but like with
like I love Nikki to dead.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
But with all due respect, why the fuck is Nicki
Minaj spending like or it's like popular, No, no, it's
like it's okay to do that, but it's like also
do jothing where we just have a music conversation about
like I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Know, just but see, I'm gonna take it a step further.
I don't think it's I don't think that she should
do that. I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't
think she should do that because Nikki. To me, I
have Nikki as the best and biggest female rapper ever.
It's not even a debate.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
So you are big enough to where like whatever the
fuck you do is it? And that is one thing
that I do I have always like liked about Drake
is that, like, like Drake did on the radar, on
the I became a spot.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Like to me, it's like when you're in that spot,
like do groundbreaking ship because you are the wave.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Like. But then the other thing dra will do is
he'll he'll, he'll, he won't go do it because this
I agree with that as much as I don't agree
with academics. And you know, academics has invited me to
suck his dick on his stream. Wild guy. Uh. We
we got on the phone though, We're fine, but I'm like, yo, Drake,
go do academic ship. Why are you doing these random
little Canadian white dudes and the gambling on stream like

(41:32):
this is no? I agree with he as fuck I
I and I and I agree. I feel like that's
what I may know is like to me, go do
Moriam mall Bro go do Rory and.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
It no.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
But that's what I mean is like that's fire. Like
I thought it was dope that Dot just sat down
with Ebro Like to me, it's like that was a
part of.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
The super Bowl and it was one of super Bowl.
But I'm like, don't sit with.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Is that like bro like to me? Like, and so
that's what I'm saying, Like, this is not like a biasing.
This is not like a pick sized thing. To me,
hip hop is in the space that is in because
people pick features off of clicks and what's gonna benefit them.
They pick interview, they pick everything based off of what
makes sense for the algorithm and not what makes sense

(42:18):
for the culture. And that's why the culture keeps dying,
Like regardless of where this beef is. It's like hip
hop is not in the best space that it's it's
not in the best space because people do that. So
like you'll get a big artist that it might make
sense for them to work with a boogie, but Boogie's
maybe not hot enough, so they go work with a
nigga that they don't even know his catalog, but somebody

(42:40):
told him, like, yo, go look at this artist. He
going crazy, and so they go work with him instead
of doing that when it's like you're not at that point,
you're not feeding the ecosystem. We don't feed the ecosystem enough.
Like we need to keep our media that is in
the world that we love, that really cares about this world.
We need to keep them as the hottest media.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
How do you do that? Pull up? You get what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
If Nikki pulls up you know to I don't fucking
know name whoever is a person?

Speaker 1 (43:04):
And that I was about Q. Yeah, Q going and
doing background FIG was dope to me.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
That was fire Like that was fire, bro Like, like
go do back on FIG because that is like the
people that fuck with you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Like, what what you represent?

Speaker 2 (43:16):
That's the ecosystem you should be feeding and like when
you're a bigger like, I understand it for up andcoming
artists because you just trying to.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Get whatever like you can get.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
But if you are like Nikki, you Nikki, you can
go sit down with a nigga that we ain't never
heard of before and they're gonna be the biggest thing
because you're gonna bring a bunch of abauty.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
The other thing too, though, is a lot of artists
now like they just go straight to fans. They'd rather
just go on Instagram live. Like, for sure, Cardi B
be fucked up on Instagram line titty out, for sure.
I've seen Cardi B's aeral on and meat a lot lately.
But it's it's like anything you need to know about
her and her fucking just go straight to the fils
bro for better everything that's happening with her and offset. Yeah,

(43:57):
that's that's a fact. But of course you could go
sit down in an interview and they ask, so what's
going on with you? Went off? Just go watch my
drunk live from three nights ago? Do you know exactly
what the fuck happened? But we had sex six hours
ago and now I hate them, but I also fuck
with that because that's feet that's feeding her ecosystem. For sure,
I'm saying that's that's what I mean. Yeah, And then
the other on the other side, it's like, unfortunately, with

(44:20):
the streaming and like some of this ship like artists
have also adopted what they call in the streaming world
clip farming, like the clip farming uh model where you're
just like, Okay, I'm rolling out the album. What are
like three or four moments I can create.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Exactly that is just gonna get clipped and then we're
gonna send it to all of the pages and they're
gonna post and so yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
We'll see I mean, I like I saw. I think,
like the one thing with the Kendrick thing and like
Dochi winning Best New Artists or I'm sorry best hip
Hop Album she got wrong for Best New Artists? Who
listens to Chappelle Room, Yeah, I didn't even know who
that was anyway, But I think it's like promising we'll
see you know, we'll see man. But yeah, I'm I'm hopeful.

(45:05):
But yeah, the ecosystem of media is it's just becoming
a lot, dude. Bro.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
The ecosystem of media.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
And I'm not even hating on anything. I love, Like
you said, I love speed, but there's always like the
Playboy Max guy. I feel like he just popped up
like a month ago. Yeah he did, he did, and
he's lit now, but I didn't know the fuck he
was like forty five days. And to me, I don't
think there's anything wrong with it.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I just think that like that ecosystem should exist over
there because it's the thing.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
They feed their ecosystem.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Like Kai puts on a bunch of streamers, he's just
talking about the stream university that he wants to do doc.
That's something he's a visionary. But I'm like, they feed
their ecosystem. The issue with us is that we don't
feed our ecosystem like our goats or our idols and
shit like that. They don't go sit down and feed
the ecosystem. They don't do records with up and coming artists.

(45:51):
That you'll have an artist, they'll have artists A who
praised them so much that when you listen to artists
as music, you can hear it in their music how
much they are influenced by this artist. And then they
have artists B that kind of likes them, but they
hot and they popping, and then they'll just go do
a feature with artists B, which is like, that's cool
and it's gonna help you, but it's not gonna help

(46:12):
the ecosystem because if you do it with artists A,
they're gonna get bigger and then they're going to a
praise you for doing that and putting them in a
bigger light. But then also be they're gonna then feed
the ecosystem because now they're bigger, so now they can
do bigger features with other people.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah, I think, you know, I think back to the
Drake rap Ratear interview a few years ago, and I
think like it would be if if artists of that
caliber every few years just did one of those sit downs,
not necessarily just with with someone who.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Wants aware of just pick one, like literally, if you
could put them in dice and roll the fucking dice out, sure,
and just just pick one, bro, and it'll keep our
you know what I mean, Like ecosystem in that space.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Random J Cole stepping out probably best decision ever, right one.
When you talk you talk about visionaries, visionary he said,
I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Hey, man, everybody knows knows this. That's the reason fan
Like I'm a diehard cold fan. That is my goat,
like on a Big three. I was hot when I
figured it when I heard it while I was on stage. Actually,
I was on stage and I talked to about the
crowd a lot while I'm performing, and somebody in the
crowd told me like J Cole just apologized because I
made a joke about the beef. And right when I
got off stage, I looked a him like, oh my god,

(47:23):
my heart was hurt. But hindsight you talk about you
talk about twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
I saw a punch. I saw punch maybe like three
or four days before that, and I was like, hey,
this before push ups came out. Yeah yeah. I was like, hey, Drake, Drake,
don't want to smoke it. Cold cool, cold, Yeah, he's
one of the cold. That would have been a fire
battle though, that would have been man. I'm like I
told him, I said, hey, but dude, dream Dreamville Fast

(47:49):
is coming, Like there's a lot of like Q was
on it, sisor was on it. I was like, yeah,
what's gonna happened? Like this is weird, you know, And dude,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I genuinely think dot what's supposed to be at that
Dreamville fest. I genuinely believe that.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
I'm glad man, because you know, there's there's this, uh
version of a Kendrick and Cole album that was started
that will never hear, you know, but those two guys
to me are always like you know for sure guys
you know yeah, uh, any idea when your mixtape is
going to you said before the end of the year.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
No, So this mixtape is dropping on the twenty eighth.
So the album, yeah, the album my bad album I'm
aiming for I'm aiming for third quarter. I just I'm
kind of like, kind of tired of all of my
projects are dropped in third quarter, and then when we
tore porches it was like freezing cold for sure, and
so I kind of I want to drop third quarter,
but I also kind of like maybe I should wait
till fourth That way I can tour it like maybe

(48:40):
like March aprilish and it won't be as cold, so
it'll probably end up like leaning towards fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Who's who also on the tape besides obviously who we've seen.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
On the the mixtape twenty eighth. Uh, this dope up
and coming artist Ben Riley. I want to say he's
freestyle on my fire fire bro like, yeah, fire, shout
out to the group chat. We got a group chat
with U, and I apologize if I miss anybody but
me Ben Riley, Deonte Hitchcock Bro. This group chat is
so fucking fire bro Seeddi Hendricks Like, It's just a

(49:12):
bunch of a bunch of fire niggas in the group chat.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
So that's how I met Ben.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
But Ben, we got a record that we we flipped
We Made You sample by Kanye Kanye super Fire, and
he does have a better verse of me. I'm gonna
just put that out there. He's super super crazy. So
Ben Riley, of course, you know the Coyotes Ransom by
hit Boy got a verse. It's funny because people saw
it and they thought it was production. But I've been

(49:36):
a big hit Boy rap fan for a long time,
So shout out to him and Surf Club.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
He's on there.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I feel like I'm coded the friend and coded the
friends on there.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, he's on.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Actually, my favorite song on the project I have been
for the last month. Happened because I've been too busy.
But that's been like you know, my love. We just
want our championship, the adult league championship. So I take
that very seriously. And I got most improved because the
first season I was so bad and coming off of
just being drunk all the time. At the second season,

(50:06):
I had nowhere to go but up. So you played.
I played in college the racist college coach. Ever find
out that you clowned him, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
So many people putting shit together. Bro, they put it
together too, they like I saw, like they found it.
This is the coach.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
They got it, Bro, they found it. But I don't
know if he ever did because I never talked to him.
But my assistant coach did hit me and was like, Bro,
you're crazy for saying that. But I understand, but I
understand why you did it.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
He was like, bro, like that.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
He was like, the way you were treated over there
was fucking nasty. So yeah, excited about Luca. It's super
excited about Luca. I hated losing Anthony Davis though, I
will say that, And then he got injured his first
game with the Mavericke and I was like, God, I'm like, bro,
like you know what I'm saying. Like I was talking
to the hommies that they hated the trade, because you know,
Laker fans, we fall in love with players that.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
We really love. You knew Laker fans that hated the trade.
I do.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I did know Laker fans, which is crazy because it
was a thing where it was like Ad was carrying
us this season. So it wasn't so much that they
hated the trade. They just hated to see a d go.
But I told him, like, bro, like it is what
it is, like you know what I mean. Like, but
but I will say this, like the MAVs were right
in the standpoint of like, look, I got to lose
some weight, bro, that shit. When I saw him run
up and down the court, I'm like, come on, yeah,

(51:17):
but like, but he'll be fine though.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Like that took him to the finals. You should never know.
This is the thing.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
They were right in saying that he was fat. But
that's not a good enough reason to trade thirty eight.
That guy is not enough reason to trade it.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Fat. He could be fat, Yeah, fat guy. Whoever that
guy is, Nick, Nico Richards or whatever. Nick, he's fired.
He's not gonna be here long. Bro. I can promise
you I'm glad. I'm not a Mavericks fan. I'm a
Sun's fan. I'm tortured, But if that would have happened,
I might have been in that. I would you know,
they say he's getting death threats, I would have been
in those threats.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Honestly, the fans is better than me because to me,
as a fan base, you supposed to boycott games until
they fire.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
I would have you supposed to boycott. You're supposed to
be outside the arena.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
You're supposed to hit them they where they hurt, in
they pockets and buy no tickets. Was gone just quiet?
It should have been quiet. Like when I saw the game,
I saw many people was there. I was like, oh, y'all,
y'all not serious about this ship. If they would have
traded Kobe Nigga, if they would have traded Kobe, it
wouldn't have been nobody in that Kobe.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
It's like if they would have traded Kobe when he
was thirty seven, maybe you'd have been like, yeah, but
if you if traded created Kobe number eight bro after
he took after he took his team to the finals,
like you trade that Kobe, Bro, the Steple Center would
have been dry outside. It would have been cracking riot. Yeah,
they would have sad some cars on one percent. So

(52:38):
I'm like the mass fan.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
They clearly don't take their team serious enough because trading Luca,
y'all supposed to be you're supposed to be demanding Nico's
head on a stake.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yo. Once Luga got traded, I started just wrapping my
head around, like damn, I guess they could trade Booker
if Luca got traded, Like, bro, anybody, Nobody's off limits
at this point. Like I'm like, bro, like the Wolves
could trade a you know a. Like it's like what
you're being saying, but you're being said, Yeah, anyway, Well listen,

(53:07):
I think the only person who's probably untradeable for real,
it's two people Wenby. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
No, I agree with that whole heartedly. Yeah Wemby, you
trade Wenby? You you must have cancer and the doctor
told you have four must live, So you was just
trying to like make a splash before you you get
what I'm saying, before you kick the bucket or something.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
All good man. So the mixtapes dropping on the twenty eighth,
Yeah mixtape dropping on twenty eighth, Go Support, Go Support,
please please be on the lookout.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Me and COS will be following up pretty soon after that.
Like it won't be a large yeah, it won't be
a large gap. It'll be like, yeah, probably we'll probably
start rolling out, probably start rolling out around Dreamville Fest. Fire,
So it'll be soon dream Belfest like first week and
that's the last one, right, yes.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
That's the last one. That is the last one.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
So this should be a very very fun and interesting
Dreamville Fest. I hope cold drop song like I just
want a Cold album, like a real album at this.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yeah, I think. Unfortunately it's crazy because my deleat this
later like kind of got Lost in the Sauce last year,
is such a great body. He worked out that brought.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I revisited it the other day and I'm like, this
is a really good project, bro, like a really and
you know, yeah it is. Everything got lost in the
sauce stow with the beef. The beef, just the beef
just was a tidal way to everything here it is.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Man, Well, I appreciate you pulling up reason my guy,
Thank you, brother, appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Fire