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Hi.
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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I was
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looking for a little inspiration for this episode, and I
decided to go to Google and look up what people
are searching on Google about the afterlife. One of the
most requested search terms is does science believe in the afterlife?
So today I'll spend a few minutes talking about our
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fascination with science and why we so much want science
to believe in the afterlife. Also, you'll hear from an
author who's also a priest and hear his words about
scientific evidence for the afterlife. Now, while I was on
Google this may or may not make you laugh, I
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decided to search Shades of the Afterlife. It's very popular,
I'm happy to know, heading up the charts on one
of the most popular podcasts on the Afterlife. Then I
typed in my own name and here's what's funny. Some
of the searches were is sand Champlain married? Is Sandra
Champlain single? Which I am single and I'm not married.
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But my most favorite one is is Sandra Champlain still alive? Yes,
you better believe it. I'll probably still find a way
to do Shades of the Afterlife from the other side. Now,
let's talk about science. For us afterlife researchers, yourself included,
we want scientific proof that there's an afterlife. In fact,
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many of the naysayers say, well, if science can't prove it,
then it can't be real. Sometimes that little ego voice
we have says the same thing. When science says something,
there's credibility to it. But why as humans do we
trust scientists so much that if they say something, well,
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it must be true. A definition I found about science
is science is the process of building knowledge about the
natural world through observation, experimentation, and analysis. The goal of
science is to explain and understand the world around us.
There are certainly plenty of scientists that believe in the afterlife,
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as there are plenty of doctors and other professionals. If
you've listened long enough to this show, you've heard scientists speak,
including those that have had near death experiences. Plenty of doctors, engineers, nurses, physicists.
Even an engineer with a very scientific mind became a medium.
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So they're out there. But we want that tipping point
that everybody believes in the afterlife, don't we. While I
was on Google, I decided to search if there were
some real things that science cannot prove. Because I know
the afterlife to be real and afterlife communication, as do
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so many others who study near death experiences, deathbed visitations,
terminal lucidity, verritical, near death experiences, electronic voice phenomena, instrumental
trans communication, the whole world of mediums induced after death communication.
There's tons of reasons to believe, So I thought, are
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there other things out there that are very real, yet
science can't prove. This may interest you the next time
somebody says the afterlife can't be real because science can't
prove it. Here's a partial list of things science cannot
prove that we know to be real. The first one
is consciousness. That's the you listening right now, the one
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who walks in your shoes, that's self aware, who has
thoughts and experiences and memories. Consciousness remains one of the
most profound enigmas for scientists. Despite advances neuroscience, the exact
mechanism that transforms our neural signals into our subjective experiences
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is completely unknown to science. The first principle of philosophy,
published by Renee Descartes back in sixteen thirty seven, says,
I think, therefore I am. Just because science cannot prove
what makes you up or what makes me up doesn't
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mean we don't exist. That'd be crazy. Here's another one. Dreams.
You and I know we dream at night, right But
science cannot prove why we dream, what the functions of
them are. They can speculate, but the whole world of
dreams is not proven by science. If we dreamed at
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night exactly the things that happened during the daytime. Perhaps
they'd have an explanation. But for our dreams to be
very real, meeting people we've never met before, doing things
we've never done before, that remains a complete mystery how
our dream processes work. We've heard of dark matter and
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dark energy. Astrophysicists know it's real in the universe, but
it remains a complete mystery. Here's another one science cannot
prove is the placebo effect. You've heard of that right
when someone takes a pill or a tablet for a symptom,
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yet someone else only takes a sugar pill a placebo pill,
and both people heal. Science cannot figure out why that is.
So there's other things that I won't try to explain today,
like quantum entanglement and the origins of life. That obviously
we're here, so it's happened we exist, science can't prove it. Interesting. Uh,
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here's a couple more animal migration. Animals migrate, birds migrate.
We know that the lovely hummingbirds that come to visit
my yard every year fly thousands of miles back to
where they were born and can find my backyard, and
in the late summer, they know exactly the route to
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take from my home in Rhode Island down to Central America,
even if this is their very first time doing it.
There's a reason it's called the magic of nature. It's
very real. It's magnificent and miraculous, even if science can't
explain it. Another mystery, just a cute one. Cats. Have
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you ever had a cat on your lap and they purr? Well,
we know they do, We've experienced it, but science cannot
prove why. So just because science cannot prove something does
not mean it isn't real. My goal for this episode,
by the way, is for all of us to just
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not care what science says or does not say about
the afterlife. Yesterday I spoke with my good friend, doctor
Mark Pittstick from soulproof dot com. He's done so much
investigation into the reality of the afterlife. You've heard from
him a few times on this show, working with great
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organizations like Helpingparents Heal dot org. And he reminded me
that there are plenty of organizations of scientific minds that
are working on afterlife investigation and communication. Organizations like IONS,
the International Association for Near Death Studies IONS, the Institute
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of Noetic Sciences, the Windbridge Institute, the Bigelow Institute for
Consciousness Studies. Doctor Pittstick works very closely and has written
books with doctor Gary Schwartz, and they're co founders of
the soulfoone Foundation. Yesterday I started reading a book by
doctor Schwartz called The Sacred Promise. How science is discovering
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spirits collaboration with us in our daily lives.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Now.
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Doctor Schwartz is not just any ordinary scientist. Here's his bio.
Gary E. Schwartz is a professor of psychology, medicine, neurology,
psychiatry and surgery at the University of Arizona and director
of the Laboratory for Advances in Consciousness and Health. He
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has published more than five hundred scientific papers, including six
papers in the Journal of Science. He's authored the books
The Afterlife Experiments, The Sacred Promise, and others. In fact,
the description for the book I'm reading The Sacred Promise says,
it offers scientific proof of Spirit's existence, be it the deceased,
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angels or Spirit guides and shows Spirit's willingness and promise
to offer guidance and help with the challenges of day
to day living. Sacred Promise shows how we can attune
ourselves and receive this guidance from spirit, which is all
scientifically documented by doctor Schwartz's experiments and research. See why
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I'm reading it? Sounds good, doesn't it. In the world
of near death experiences, it was just a few months
back that science came out with a statement that near
death experiences are not part of a dying brain, because
it has been proven that consciousness does survive after the
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body has flatlined and is clinically dead. These are the
people that can float above their body, float into another room,
float above a hospital, giving eyewitness account of actual things
that are happening. So science is aligned with the afterlife,
but just not enough of scientists to have that tipping
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point occur. One of my favorite quotes from German philosopher
Arthur Schopenhauer says, all truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third, it
is accepted as being self evident. The best example I
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have of this is the airplane. Wilbert and Orville write
two bicycle mechanics took that first twelve second flight in
an airplane. They were laughed at. People actually made a
mockery out of them, and look where we are, well
over one hundred years later, we all accept airplanes like
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they've always been part of our lives. Doctor Schwartz says,
Let's imagine that there exists a sacred and infinite intelligence
that we can come to increasingly know and live in
harmony with its great unfoldment. And let's imagine that expanded science,
created and employed by the human mind, has the capacity
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to reveal all this and more. And Nikola Tesla said,
the day science begins to study non physical phenomena, it
will make more progress in one decade than in all
of the previous centuries of its existence. We're going to
head off to the break now, and when we come back,
you'll hear from father Robert Spitzer. And here his presentation,
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is there evidence of life after death validated by science.
We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and we're talking about science and the afterlife. Now some
words from an incredible man. Born in Honolulu, Hawaii, in
nineteen fifty two, father Robert J. Spitzer. He is a
Catholic priest in the Jesuit Order and is currently the
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president of the Magis Center of Reason and Faith and
the Spitzer Center. He has taught courses on faith and reason, metaphysics,
Philosophy of God, and philosophy of science to graduate and
undergraduate students at Georgetown University, Gonzaga University, Seattle University, and
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Saint Louis University. He has written several books, including Science
at the Doorstep to God, Science, Reason and Faith, Finding
True Happiness, and more. And he has produced two television
series and received a grant for teaching physics and metaphysics.
He has made multiple media appearances, including Larry King Live,
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debating Stephen Hawking and Deepak Chobra on God and modern physics.
Let's listen to what he has to say.
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We'll be talking today about what's called the scientific evidence
for life after death and a trans physical soul. This
would be coming from peer reviewed medical journals of near
death experiences, terminal lucidity and intelligence, and hydrocephalic patients. I'm
going to concentrate on evidence from good longitudinal studies of
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near death experiences that have been done by hospitals over
at least an eleven year period, at least several hundred
to several thousand patients per study, and are published in
peer reviewed medical journals that really do look at the
methodology and the safeguards and the responses. The first study
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is done by the New York Academy of Sciences in
twenty twenty two in that journal essentially the New York Academy,
and this would be doctor Parnia and his twenty seven
colleagues who are in scientists of various disciplines. Those individuals
agreed in a consensus statement about near death experience that
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concludes to the very credible possibility of your consciousness surviving
bodily death, and the outline a series of features that
are likely to be part of that, including being around
in this world for a while. Either in close proximity
to the body or even remote from the body, say
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outside the hospital or outside the waiting room, or something
of that nature. And also a part two where there
is a journey to another worldly domain where deceased relatives
and friends are met, etc. The New York Academy of
Sciences really has taken a look at multiple different peer
reviewed medical studies of near death experiences and has ascertained
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the very credible possibility of consciousness surviving bodily death. But
the second area is a study that was done at
the University of South Hampton under the aegist of doctor
Samuel Parnia. It's called the Aware Study, was published in
the peer reviewed Journal of Resuscitation twenty and sixty patients
in twenty fourteen throughout England and some parts of Europe.
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A very good study. But the main thing again is
it argues to the strong likelihood that consciousness can and
does survive bodily death, and in sixty cases in the
Aware study that was indisputably so from the data, et cetera.
The third study that's excellent as well as doctor Pym
von Lommel and his colleagues there in the Netherlands. It
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was a two thousand and one to two thousand and
three study published in the number one medical journal there
in Great Britain, the Lancet. And there are a variety
of other special studies too that are really important. One
of them is doctor Kenneth Ring's study of blind people
who've had experiences of actually seeing for the first time
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when they were clinically dead flat EEG fixed and dilated pupils,
no gag reflex, some just mere sputterings of nero in
the lower brain and they're seeing absolutely acutely, and of
course they don't have a single visual image in their
physical brain. It's a very important and persuasive study. Eighty
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one percent of those blind people, most of whom we're
blind from birth, see for the first time when they
are clinically dead no electrical activity in the cerebral or
frontal cortices. There are other studies. Doctor Janice Holden has
done a study of vertical data thirty nine different studies.
She's brought them together under the highest standards of accuracy
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one hundred percent accurate description of the events going on
during the time of brain death clinical death. And she's
done that to the point where she thinks that eighty
one percent of these people reporting the data are reporting
at one hundred percent accurately according to the strictest standards,
which means there has to be consciousness and not just
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consciousness in some minimal sense. There has to be understanding.
There has to be recollection. There has to be self
consciousness because you're seeing yourself in a relationship to what's
going on. There has to be memory, has to be
acute recall, as well, of course as visual capacity and
auditory capacity. So when you look at all of these
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studies that are out there, and then you combine it
with the immense archives that have been completed by the
University of Virginia's Medical School, the Department of Perceptual Studies there,
especially doctor Emily Kelly and doctor Bruce Grayson, you can
see pretty much that this is truly an amazing group
of literature. And that's why the New York Academy of
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Sciences has really pronounced on what would have been considered
even ten years ago to be a radical pronouncement that
consciousness will be surviving bodily death. Let's take a look
at some of the data here, some of the evidence
that has been accumulated. First of all, we have vertical data.
It has been verified by an independent researcher after the fact.
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So when you have EEG, you have no electrical activity
in this cribl frontal cortices. If that's really happening, then
no electricity. It's like turning off the light switch. Nothing's
going to happen. There's not going to be any activity
in those lobes, along with the visual and auditory courtices
as well. So what happens then at this moment where
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there's EEG et cetera, a soul body kind of leaves
the physical body. But the soul body can think and
recall and remember, has vision, actually has sometimes three hundred
and sixty degree all around vision, hearing, emotion, self consciousness,
and is not subject to physical laws such as walls.
You can pass right through a wall, processes and structures.
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You can go straight up to the roof if you want,
and pass through all the ceilings in between. You're not
subject to gravity, et cetera. In this kind of spiritual
or soul body is what it's referred to as the
main here is that when this occurs, people claim when
they're at that state of flat eeg. Fixed dilated pupils,
et cetera. And when that state occurs, they claim that
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they can actually see things that are near their body,
for example, what's going on in the operating room, or
they can see things that are in the waiting room
next door, separated by a clear barrier, or even outside
the hospital, and even more remote than outside the hospital.
An independent researcher actually determines whether that happened or not
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according to separate standards that are obviously objective, and then
can verify that consciousness was taking place at that place.
I'll just give a few examples. In the operating room,
I want to pivon Lommos, patients actually just said, well,
miss so and so, we lost your dentures, And upon
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Lommos's patients said, no, you know it was my denture.
The nurse with the red hair took the denture out
of my mouth right before they put the paddles on me,
and then she opened up a drawer underneath the machine
that looked like XYZ threw the dentures in there. If
you find the nerves with the red hair, and you
find the machine that looks like XYZ, then open the drawer.
You'll see and sure enough, there they are. So you
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get the point again, one girl, Maria, again, she leaves
your body. This is remote from the operating room, right,
so her soul body leaves her physical body. She goes
zooming outside the hospital and she's hovering up on the
third floor there looking back at the hospital from the
vanish point of outside looking in. So to make a
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long story, shirt she says, I'm looking down there and
I see this tennis shoe there with a worn left
toe and a shoelace stuck underneath the heel. Just reported
it to one of your researchers, and one of doctor
Morris's researchers actually crawled out on the ledge and there
was the tennis shoe with the Warren left toe and
the shoelace underneath the heel, probably had been there for
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twenty two years from one of the construction workers. Nobody
had ever seen it before, but Maria did. So you
get the point. That's pretty clear that consciousness had to
be taking place in order for her to identify this.
And we have literally thousands of cases now, a verified
data of people who are actually one hundred percent accurate
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in their reports of what's going on. When they're nearly
brained dead, there are what's called state of clinical death. Okay,
let's just take a look at a second major factor here.
As I said, eighty one percent of blind people, most
of whom were blind from birth, see for the first
time when they are clinically dead flight eeg. Fixed not
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only to pupils, et cetera. Remember, he has or she
has no visual images in their physical brain, so it
would be impossible to loosen the a visual image because
there aren't any visual images. It's a very different kind
of imagination in a blind person, certainly not colorful and
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so forth. So the idea then is that these blind people,
I'll give you the example of Bradley Burrows, a sixteen
year old boy blind from birth. During his heart attack,
he basically goes zooming through hospital walls and he goes
right up to the top of the hospital and as
he zooms up there, he's looking at a scene of
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snow out on the ground there, and he knew it
was snowing. But when he had his heart attack, of
course he was able to see for the first time
what snow looked like. But then as he's out there
by the wall of the hospital, he sees a tram
passing by with a big, huge sign on the back
of it with an arrow pointing to the right. The
train is going slowly down this track and finally turns
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into a grove of trees off to the right. Now, trams,
just like trains, they have schedules down to the second,
and of course Bradley's heart attack and then clinical death
with the flat EEG can be timed down to the
second and right down to the coincidence of those seconds.
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Literally what Bradley described in his image of the train,
the tram going down the tracks and going into the trees,
exactly what happened right at that time next to the
hospital as he was describing. So again, hundreds of these
cases of blind people seeing for the first time reporting
one hundred percent accurately. They don't even have a chance
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of having a visual image in their brains because they've
never seen anything before.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Time for a quick break, and we'll be right back
with Father Spitzer and scientific evidence for life after death.
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starts right now.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain,
and you're listening to Father Robert Spitzer's evidence of the afterlife.
He was just talking about blind people seeing for the
very first time in a near death experience.
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Hundreds of these cases of blind people seeing for the
first time reporting one hundred percent accurately. They don't even
have a chance of any a visual image and the
brains because they've never seen anything before. All I can
tell you is the physicalist explanations simply do not or
let's just take a look at some other quick evidence.
If you attach a modified polygraph to people after they've
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had a near death experience, you can actually measure the
absence of death anxiety. So, in other words, all of
us have a subconscious death anxiety. I show you some
pictures of sharks of big teeth, or some daggers or
blood flowing off of it, or a skullen crossbones or
something else. You probably say Okay, death is death, but
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there's an afterlift, there's a resurrection with Christ I'm doing okay,
So it wouldn't bug you consciously, but subconsciously where you
can't control your emotions or you have instinctual drives. When
you see all of this data that is very death
provoking or fear provoking, blood provoking, danger provoking, all of
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these things you react to with a modified polygraph. Right,
You're going to have a little bit of emotional discharge
there which is easily monitored. Well, get this.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
You take a kid who has.
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A near death experience, and a lot of children have
near death experiences, but the main thing is the child
who has a near death experience says, oh I love
my body, I went to another world, etc. That child
comes back and you put that modified polygraph on. You
show them any danger image, any bloody image, any shark image,
any skulling, nothing, no death anxiety. Forty years out, you
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can test them again when they're forty years old. They've
lost their subconscious death anxiety over which they have no control.
This is bizarre, but it happens during near death experiences
and no other time, and it lasts throughout the rest
of your life forty fifty years down the pike. Okay,
let's also take a look at just two other features
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that are good evidence during a near death experience, as
there are oftentimes two phases, right, So the first phase,
you're here on this earth, you're looking around what's going
on in the operating room, or like Bradley Burrows, you're
outside the hospital, or like Maria, you're outside the hospital
looking at the hospital from the outside, looking in, or
you might be in the waiting room. By the way,
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never say anything bad about anybody in the waiting room
who's died, because they can go right through those waiting
room doors and hear everything you're saying. And I might
point out this has happened in dozens and dozens of
cases where people in I went right through the walls
into the waiting room and guess what I heard you saying.
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So be nice. The main thing to look at, though,
is there's a second phase to a near death experience.
The second phase goes into an other worldly domain. You
are often met by deceased family members, mostly family members,
five percent of the time by friends, but most of
the time deceased family members. Sixty five percent of those
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going to the heavenly domain, do have an experience of
family members? Fifty percent have the experience of a loving
white light that they identify as either God or Christ.
Eighteen percent have a visible experience of Christ who looks
like a human being. That's eighteen percent of adults. A
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lot more children have experiences of a very visible, human
figured Christ. A lot of people identify Christ though in
this loving white life. Well, let's get down to the relatives.
That's the thing that makes for good evidence here when
this is really doable with children. So the child might
come and say, well, you know, Granddaddy met me when
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I was in heaven. And of course the parents will
or the researchers will say, well, granddaddy he died twenty
years before you were born. How do you know it
was granddaddy?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Because he told me, okay, well what did grandaddy look like?
And they put out a photo array of twenty different photos.
And now if they put the photograph of granddaddy when
he was eighty when he died, maybe the child will go,
I don't know that person. But when people are in
their soul bodies, when they're in that spiritual state, they
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revert back to what they looked like when they were
twenty five to thirty years old, So almost one hundred
percent of the time. If you put Granddaddy into the
photo array in his uniform during World War two or something,
and you mix it in with twenty other people, boom,
the kid will say, even with the uniform on, that's Granddaddy.
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They recognize him right from the twenty five to thirty
year old picture. Almost one hundred percent of the time
dead on.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Now.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
There's a huge archive of all these things at the
University of Virginia Medical School, Department of Perceptual Studies. And
Granddaddy or Uncle Joe or whoever who died way before
this child tells them certain things about their lives, certain
things about themselves, certain things about their parents, which of
course the parents have not disclosed to the child. The
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main thing, though, that's important again, is that you've got
a lot of testimony here that people did go over
to the other side. They did see somebody who identified
themselves as Granting. They can pick that person right out
of a photo array. It's absolutely amazing what they can do.
And then when they pick them out, so it turns
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out that this is what they look like when they
were twenty five to thirty years old. Okay, So there's
so much evidence that the New York Academy of Sciences
has declared the very credible possibility your consciousness is going
to survive your bodly death. And I would not just
call it consciousness. It's a soul body. You're not just
a disembodied consciousness that survives your physical body's death. There
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is something akin to a soul body with self consciousness, memory, recall,
and emotion and so forth. That's there. It's not attached
to the physical body at all. But it's a soul body,
and it looks like people look like when they were
twenty five to thirty years old. And the kids can
nail it almost every time with the picture of that person.
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All right, So that's the evidence. I think it's exceedingly strong.
And you can see the various stages, right, there's a
stage here in this world, stage in another world. The
loving white light almost always identified as God or Christ. Okay,
let's take a look at whether physicalist explanations will work
or not. A physical is basically tries to say this
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is all explicable with some physical explanatory apparatus. So it's
your brain that's hallucinating. It's your brain that's having dreamlets.
It's your brain. When I stimulate the temporal lobes of
the brain, it actually produces some lights or some images
and so forth, and so on. The pridal lobe is
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actually good for stimulation of images and so forth. So
that must be it. It's a physical explanation. There's really
about five things that militate against all of these things.
The first thing is, you'll never explain how eighty one
percent of blind people, most of whom are blind from birth,
could possibly hallucinate or get a stimulated visual image out
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of their physical brain. They don't have any You'll never
explain blind people hallucinations out of the question. They don't
have the visual imagination for hallucination dreamlets. They're not going
to have any dreamlets that look like our visual images
because they don't have any of their brains to stimulate
when you stimulate the parietal et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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So the key thought is blind people, all those hundreds
of cases of people reporting one hundred percent accurate data
can't be explained about I'd say eighty percent of the
case is let's just Take Bradley Burrows. Forget about the
fact that he's blown and lots of non blind people
see things outside the hospital. Take Maria. You're just not
going to be able to explain what Maria saw. How
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are you going to hallucinate one hundred percent accurately? What
is taking place outside the hospital that nobody is aware
of for twenty years and finally is seen by her
for the first time and reported because it's called invisible
shoe on a third floor ledge outside of a hospital.
How are you going to do this that kind of data,
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No matter how much you believe in coincidence, The odds
of Linda being able to do this is like trying
to describe to tap with random tapping of the keys
a Shakespeare soliloquy by random typing of the keys in
a single try.
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That's not going to happen.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
So the idea of describing perfectly unknown data one hundred
percent accurately, Again, there's not anywhere near the body. It's
outside the hospital very difficult to explain. The third thing
is near Deathics experiences are almost one hundred percent accurate.
Hallucinations are notoriously inaccurate on every level. Dreamlets are inaccurate
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right stimulation, parietal low temporal anoxia. Okay, you got some lights,
there's no accuracy to it, right, It wasn't a light light,
so that doesn't give you an accurate image to describe.
So again, hallucinations are notoriously inaccurate, very weird as a
matter of fact. More as near death experiences are one
hundred percent accurate and near death experiences there's no electrical
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activity in the brain. Remember flat EEG, fixed and dilated pupils.
No GAG reflects just a few sputterings, neurons and lower brain,
so you have no electrical activity in the higher functions
of the brain. Well, in order to hallucinate anything, every
physicalist explanation must have electrical activity in the brain, because
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the physical brain is producing the so called llucination. If
you don't have any electrical activity in every you can
stimulate your paridal lobe all day long, you aren't going
to get a vision because there's no electrical activity. Same
thing with dreamless, same thing with physicalist explanations. In all
last thing, the fifth thing where you have a real
difference between NDEs and physicallest explanations. The NDEs, let's face facts,
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NDEs are peaceful when people have their heavenly experience about
eighty percent of the time and one hundred percent of
the time in children. This is a very peaceful explanation. Hallucinations,
dream lens and the stimulation of the parietal lobe. Absolutely the
opposite produces very weird and almost sometimes antagonistic moods, very
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unpeaceful moods. And so, what can we conclude at the
end about these physical explanations. What can we conclude about NDEs?
I think we can conclude safely to what the New
York Academy of Sciences has said, there is a very
credible possibility that not just your consciousness but your soul
body will survive the death of your physical body, that
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there will be a moment where you are aware of
everything going on around your worldly surroundings. And maybe in
the operating room, could be outside the operating room, in
the waiting room, could be outside the hospital, could be
remote from the hospital. But surely something is happening where
you are cognizant of these things. And then there's a
second part to the whole thing, which of course is
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moving to a heavenly domain. The deceased relatives and friends,
as well as the very loving, exceedingly bright, very loving
white light.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain
and find out more about Father Spitzer at Magiscenter dot com,
and you may also want to check out med dot
Virginia dot edu and search for perceptual studies. Let's hear
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a few more words from father Spitzer.
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Okay, any other evidence for a trans physical soul besides
what we've seen in the peer reviewed medical studies and
near death experiences. There are two in particular that I
just want to talk about today. The first one as
called terminallycidity, a phenomenon that is pretty common now among
people who work in the oncology area and certainly the
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researchers who deal with this at Harvard University and other places. Basically,
the phenomenon may be described as follows, about one to
two hours before someone dies. Here we're talking about a
person who has been fundamentally challenged intellectually write down to
almost an IQ less than twenty five I have almost
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zero capacity from their physical brain, not even able to
make animal sounds, or not even able to swallow without
devices to help them swallow. So they've been basically disabled intellectually.
So seriously, the debilitation from serious dementia, serious Alzheimer's brain legions,
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genetic difficulties, and certainly brain trauma, and a variety of
other things so debilitated that they can't possibly think with
their physical brain, and they have not done so for
five years. Now, Suddenly, after five years of never uttering
a word, not even an animal sound, this person gets
them and goes, hey, Bob, I'm about to die. This
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is one to two hours before death. I really need
some help with my funeral. Would you say the mass
for me? And by the way, could you throw these
elements into the hombly there? Could you also call up
these three people. I really want to reconcile with them
before I die in a couple of hours. By the way,
my will it's just incomplete. These doctors are looking at
this person who's basically a vegetable. Suddenly, like you and me,
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they're saying all these things that would require reflective understanding,
memory and consciousness. They're going, who are you? What's happened?
And as Rudolph Tansey says, well, it's totally inexplicable. It's amazing,
but it happens all the time. He's one of the
main researchers over at Harvard University, and there's a lot
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of like I said, Bruce Grayson over at the University
of Virginia Medical School in a variety of other researchers,
Michael namm Over in Germany, et cetera, have been writing
about this in some detail. The research now is very good,
But how can you explain this? You can only explain
it is if this soul body, which I've been trying
to describe, it's like a spiritual body that just or
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leaves the physical body somehow one to two hours before death.
What seems to happen is that this soul body begins
to gradually detach from the physical body, and as it
gradually detaches, it still has some connection with the central
nervous system, obviously the vocal cords, obviously other parts of
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the lower brain, and it remains there in that state.
But it's not the physical brain that's doing the thinking.
It's your soul consciousness that's doing the thinking, remembering, reflective, understanding, etc.
During that time, but it's still connected. The soul body
is still connected with the physical body. That seems to
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be the only explanation for how they're able to do this.
But what is doing the thinking, it's the same thing
that leaves the body in the near death experience, that
soul body with its consciousness, self consciousness, emotion, and memory intact.
It is the one that is doing the thing. All right,
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Let's just go to one last thing. Intelligence and hydrocephalic
patients is very important. There are several people who've been involved.
The Larber and Lewin studies are particularly significant because Larber
did six hundred scans of hydrocephalic patients and made some
remarkable discoveries. I've better describe hydrocephalus for just a moment.
Hydrocephalus is when spinal fluid begins to go up through
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the base of the ukranium and starts leaking into the
cranial cavity there and it destroys the brain tissue, and
spinal fluid replaces that brain tissue. If you don't stop
it with a shunt or something of that nature, it's
just going to keep on going until it gets to
over ninety five percent of the brain is destroyed and
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replaced by spinal fluid. We would expect that someone who
has less than five percent of their physical brain is
not going to be doing much thinking. Their whole cerebral
cortex and from all cortex are gone. I'm gonna be
doing a lot of thinking. So this guy Laurber, of course,
in Germany. He writes this study up that he has
six hundred scans and he finds that thirty of those
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people who've been scanned it verified. They have less than
five percent of their brain, ninety five percent of their
cranyum is filled with spinal fluid. They have a global
IQ over one hundred. How is this possible? In fact,
laurber was so stunned he basically called his article, is
your physical brain really necessary? And the answer is not really?
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And so this is the idea. Now. One of them
that Lauriber loved to describe was a mathematics student that
he knew. And this kid had a one twenty seven
global IQ, but he had a verbal IQ of something
like one forty five or one forty seven or something
like that. Anyway, it was a very high verbal IQ.
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And he had less than one millimeter of brain between
the ventricles in the cortical tissue, one millimeter of brain tissue,
and he's got a genius level IQ. She has almost
no brain and he's got a genius level IQ. Lawberd
just said, that's it. All I can tell you is
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something else is doing the thinking. And that's right. The
same soul body that we saw in terminlucidity the same
soul body that leaves the physical body during the near
death experience, for which we have excellent vertical data and
excellent data from the blind people, etc. This's the same thing.
My final comment to you is you are not simply
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a physical body. No one after the New York Academy
of Sciences pronouncement, no one should be thinking that they
are reducible to molecules and atoms. Yes, you've got a
lot of molecules and atoms, and yes there are overlapping
functions between what's going on in the soul consciousness and
what's going on in the physical brain. Yes, they're overlapping
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memory functions and so forth. However, at the same time
must tell you that the soul consciousness and the soul
body are not dependent on the physical consciousness of the
physical brain and of course the physical body. So at
the end of the day, what I can clearly tell you,
and what I believe to be reasonable and responsible based
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on scientific evidence, is that you do have a consciousness
and a soul body that will survive bodily death. That
the after life looks very much like Jesus Christ described it.
If you have a heavenly experience. It is loving, and
so I think it's reasonable and responsible to believe that
you will have a life after death. The point of
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course is I think there's good scientific validation for it.
I think you are a trans material being, that you
have a trans physical soul, and for all intents and purposes,
if you continue to investigate this more fully other kinds
of things like the shroud of Turin, et cetera, well,
I can assure you you will see similar correlations between
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not just science and God, but science and Christianity, the
Christian life, the resurrection of Jesus, and even miraculous hosts
that reveal living tissue growing out of a consecrated post,
and the whole Euchrist. So it's out there. I have
two books which I recommend to you, Science at the
Doorstep to God published by Agnesious Press, that deals with
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the God, life after death, the near death, experienced studies,
cosmological evidence for God, etc. And then there's another one
called Christ Science and Reason that's got all the scientific
evidence for Jesus, for the Shroud of Turin, eucharistic miracles,
Marian miracles, particularly looking at the miracle of the Sun
at Fatima, some of the absolute remarkable healings at Words,
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and of course the remarkable tilm of our Lady of
God Lupe. I have a friend who basically he was
crossing the street one day and somebody just said look
out and yanked him back, and car came careening down
the street and he looked back and there was no
one there. I have a friend who literally went two
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lures to get a cure, and she had a terrible
edema in her legs, swollen twice the size, and she
had to wear her husband's shoes. Her feet were two
to three times the size they once worked. So she
goes to the lords. She gets the water poured on her,
and she's coming out and nothing happened to her. So
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she stops outside for a second, and she pulls out
her old pills to keep the edema managed and so forth.
A person just says, hey, you're gonna believe or not believe,
and she thinks to herself for a minute. She throws
out the pills and starts walking, and the edema starts disappearing.
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Literally much show that she's flopping around in her husband's shoes.
Over the course of two three minutes, well, thanks so
very much for your kind attention. Keep looking at the
science and keep looking at the faith, and you will
find out why the vast majority of scientists are believers
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in God. Today, fifty one percent of scientists declare themselves
believers in God or a higher transcendent power. Only twenty
one percent are agnostic, twenty percent are atheist, eight percent
don't want to respond. And then you have among young scientists,
sixty six percent the supermajority claim to be believers in God,
(50:40):
only fifteen percent agnostic, fifteen percent atheist. Seventy six percent
of medical doctors are believers in God. Only twelve point
five percent our agnostic, eleven point two percent are atheists.
This is just a tip of the iceberg. Have fun
because science and faith are very recomplimentary and mutually corroborative.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
Indeed, thank you, Father Robert Spitzer. This is not a
show about religion. It's about the afterlife. But this man's
done so much research and so much work, and I
respect whatever religious beliefs, if you have them or not.
It's my job to present the best evidence of the afterlife,
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Hi.
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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I was
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looking for a little inspiration for this episode, and I
decided to go to Google and look up what people
are searching on Google about the afterlife. One of the
most requested search terms is does science believe in the afterlife?
So today I'll spend a few minutes talking about our
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fascination with science and why we so much want science
to believe in the afterlife. Also, you'll hear from an
author who's also a priest and hear his words about
scientific evidence for the afterlife. Now, while I was on
Google this may or may not make you laugh, I
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decided to search Shades of the Afterlife. It's very popular,
I'm happy to know, heading up the charts on one
of the most popular podcasts on the Afterlife. Then I
typed in my own name and here's what's funny. Some
of the searches were is sand Champlain married? Is Sandra
Champlain single? Which I am single and I'm not married.
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But my most favorite one is is Sandra Champlain still alive? Yes,
you better believe it. I'll probably still find a way
to do Shades of the Afterlife from the other side. Now,
let's talk about science. For us afterlife researchers, yourself included,
we want scientific proof that there's an afterlife. In fact,
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many of the naysayers say, well, if science can't prove it,
then it can't be real. Sometimes that little ego voice
we have says the same thing. When science says something,
there's credibility to it. But why as humans do we
trust scientists so much that if they say something, well,
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it must be true. A definition I found about science
is science is the process of building knowledge about the
natural world through observation, experimentation, and analysis. The goal of
science is to explain and understand the world around us.
There are certainly plenty of scientists that believe in the afterlife,
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as there are plenty of doctors and other professionals. If
you've listened long enough to this show, you've heard scientists speak,
including those that have had near death experiences. Plenty of doctors, engineers, nurses, physicists.
Even an engineer with a very scientific mind became a medium.
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So they're out there. But we want that tipping point
that everybody believes in the afterlife, don't we. While I
was on Google, I decided to search if there were
some real things that science cannot prove. Because I know
the afterlife to be real and afterlife communication, as do
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so many others who study near death experiences, deathbed visitations,
terminal lucidity, verritical, near death experiences, electronic voice phenomena, instrumental
trans communication, the whole world of mediums induced after death communication.
There's tons of reasons to believe, So I thought, are
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there other things out there that are very real, yet
science can't prove. This may interest you the next time
somebody says the afterlife can't be real because science can't
prove it. Here's a partial list of things science cannot
prove that we know to be real. The first one
is consciousness. That's the you listening right now, the one
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who walks in your shoes, that's self aware, who has
thoughts and experiences and memories. Consciousness remains one of the
most profound enigmas for scientists. Despite advances neuroscience, the exact
mechanism that transforms our neural signals into our subjective experiences
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is completely unknown to science. The first principle of philosophy,
published by Renee Descartes back in sixteen thirty seven, says,
I think, therefore I am. Just because science cannot prove
what makes you up or what makes me up doesn't
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mean we don't exist. That'd be crazy. Here's another one. Dreams.
You and I know we dream at night, right But
science cannot prove why we dream, what the functions of
them are. They can speculate, but the whole world of
dreams is not proven by science. If we dreamed at
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night exactly the things that happened during the daytime. Perhaps
they'd have an explanation. But for our dreams to be
very real, meeting people we've never met before, doing things
we've never done before, that remains a complete mystery how
our dream processes work. We've heard of dark matter and
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dark energy. Astrophysicists know it's real in the universe, but
it remains a complete mystery. Here's another one science cannot
prove is the placebo effect. You've heard of that right
when someone takes a pill or a tablet for a symptom,
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yet someone else only takes a sugar pill a placebo pill,
and both people heal. Science cannot figure out why that is.
So there's other things that I won't try to explain today,
like quantum entanglement and the origins of life. That obviously
we're here, so it's happened we exist, science can't prove it. Interesting. Uh,
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here's a couple more animal migration. Animals migrate, birds migrate.
We know that the lovely hummingbirds that come to visit
my yard every year fly thousands of miles back to
where they were born and can find my backyard, and
in the late summer, they know exactly the route to
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take from my home in Rhode Island down to Central America,
even if this is their very first time doing it.
There's a reason it's called the magic of nature. It's
very real. It's magnificent and miraculous, even if science can't
explain it. Another mystery, just a cute one. Cats. Have
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you ever had a cat on your lap and they purr? Well,
we know they do, We've experienced it, but science cannot
prove why. So just because science cannot prove something does
not mean it isn't real. My goal for this episode,
by the way, is for all of us to just
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not care what science says or does not say about
the afterlife. Yesterday I spoke with my good friend, doctor
Mark Pittstick from soulproof dot com. He's done so much
investigation into the reality of the afterlife. You've heard from
him a few times on this show, working with great
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organizations like Helpingparents Heal dot org. And he reminded me
that there are plenty of organizations of scientific minds that
are working on afterlife investigation and communication. Organizations like IONS,
the International Association for Near Death Studies IONS, the Institute
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of Noetic Sciences, the Windbridge Institute, the Bigelow Institute for
Consciousness Studies. Doctor Pittstick works very closely and has written
books with doctor Gary Schwartz, and they're co founders of
the soulfoone Foundation. Yesterday I started reading a book by
doctor Schwartz called The Sacred Promise. How science is discovering
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spirits collaboration with us in our daily lives.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Now.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Doctor Schwartz is not just any ordinary scientist. Here's his bio.
Gary E. Schwartz is a professor of psychology, medicine, neurology,
psychiatry and surgery at the University of Arizona and director
of the Laboratory for Advances in Consciousness and Health. He
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has published more than five hundred scientific papers, including six
papers in the Journal of Science. He's authored the books
The Afterlife Experiments, The Sacred Promise, and others. In fact,
the description for the book I'm reading The Sacred Promise says,
it offers scientific proof of Spirit's existence, be it the deceased,
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angels or Spirit guides and shows Spirit's willingness and promise
to offer guidance and help with the challenges of day
to day living. Sacred Promise shows how we can attune
ourselves and receive this guidance from spirit, which is all
scientifically documented by doctor Schwartz's experiments and research. See why
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I'm reading it? Sounds good, doesn't it. In the world
of near death experiences, it was just a few months
back that science came out with a statement that near
death experiences are not part of a dying brain, because
it has been proven that consciousness does survive after the
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body has flatlined and is clinically dead. These are the
people that can float above their body, float into another room,
float above a hospital, giving eyewitness account of actual things
that are happening. So science is aligned with the afterlife,
but just not enough of scientists to have that tipping
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point occur. One of my favorite quotes from German philosopher
Arthur Schopenhauer says, all truth passes through three stages. First,
it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third, it
is accepted as being self evident. The best example I
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have of this is the airplane. Wilbert and Orville write
two bicycle mechanics took that first twelve second flight in
an airplane. They were laughed at. People actually made a
mockery out of them, and look where we are, well
over one hundred years later, we all accept airplanes like
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they've always been part of our lives. Doctor Schwartz says,
Let's imagine that there exists a sacred and infinite intelligence
that we can come to increasingly know and live in
harmony with its great unfoldment. And let's imagine that expanded science,
created and employed by the human mind, has the capacity
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to reveal all this and more. And Nikola Tesla said,
the day science begins to study non physical phenomena, it
will make more progress in one decade than in all
of the previous centuries of its existence. We're going to
head off to the break now, and when we come back,
you'll hear from father Robert Spitzer. And here his presentation,
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is there evidence of life after death validated by science.
We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the
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Now let's get back to more with Sandra.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and we're talking about science and the afterlife. Now some
words from an incredible man. Born in Honolulu, Hawaii, in
nineteen fifty two, father Robert J. Spitzer. He is a
Catholic priest in the Jesuit Order and is currently the
(14:03):
president of the Magis Center of Reason and Faith and
the Spitzer Center. He has taught courses on faith and reason, metaphysics,
Philosophy of God, and philosophy of science to graduate and
undergraduate students at Georgetown University, Gonzaga University, Seattle University, and
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Saint Louis University. He has written several books, including Science
at the Doorstep to God, Science, Reason and Faith, Finding
True Happiness, and more. And he has produced two television
series and received a grant for teaching physics and metaphysics.
He has made multiple media appearances, including Larry King Live,
(14:48):
debating Stephen Hawking and Deepak Chobra on God and modern physics.
Let's listen to what he has to say.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
We'll be talking today about what's called the scientific evidence
for life after death and a trans physical soul. This
would be coming from peer reviewed medical journals of near
death experiences, terminal lucidity and intelligence, and hydrocephalic patients. I'm
going to concentrate on evidence from good longitudinal studies of
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near death experiences that have been done by hospitals over
at least an eleven year period, at least several hundred
to several thousand patients per study, and are published in
peer reviewed medical journals that really do look at the
methodology and the safeguards and the responses. The first study
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is done by the New York Academy of Sciences in
twenty twenty two in that journal essentially the New York Academy,
and this would be doctor Parnia and his twenty seven
colleagues who are in scientists of various disciplines. Those individuals
agreed in a consensus statement about near death experience that
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concludes to the very credible possibility of your consciousness surviving
bodily death, and the outline a series of features that
are likely to be part of that, including being around
in this world for a while. Either in close proximity
to the body or even remote from the body, say
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outside the hospital or outside the waiting room, or something
of that nature. And also a part two where there
is a journey to another worldly domain where deceased relatives
and friends are met, etc. The New York Academy of
Sciences really has taken a look at multiple different peer
reviewed medical studies of near death experiences and has ascertained
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the very credible possibility of consciousness surviving bodily death. But
the second area is a study that was done at
the University of South Hampton under the aegist of doctor
Samuel Parnia. It's called the Aware Study, was published in
the peer reviewed Journal of Resuscitation twenty and sixty patients
in twenty fourteen throughout England and some parts of Europe.
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A very good study. But the main thing again is
it argues to the strong likelihood that consciousness can and
does survive bodily death, and in sixty cases in the
Aware study that was indisputably so from the data, et cetera.
The third study that's excellent as well as doctor Pym
von Lommel and his colleagues there in the Netherlands. It
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was a two thousand and one to two thousand and
three study published in the number one medical journal there
in Great Britain, the Lancet. And there are a variety
of other special studies too that are really important. One
of them is doctor Kenneth Ring's study of blind people
who've had experiences of actually seeing for the first time
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when they were clinically dead flat EEG fixed and dilated pupils,
no gag reflex, some just mere sputterings of nero in
the lower brain and they're seeing absolutely acutely, and of
course they don't have a single visual image in their
physical brain. It's a very important and persuasive study. Eighty
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one percent of those blind people, most of whom we're
blind from birth, see for the first time when they
are clinically dead no electrical activity in the cerebral or
frontal cortices. There are other studies. Doctor Janice Holden has
done a study of vertical data thirty nine different studies.
She's brought them together under the highest standards of accuracy
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one hundred percent accurate description of the events going on
during the time of brain death clinical death. And she's
done that to the point where she thinks that eighty
one percent of these people reporting the data are reporting
at one hundred percent accurately according to the strictest standards,
which means there has to be consciousness and not just
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consciousness in some minimal sense. There has to be understanding.
There has to be recollection. There has to be self
consciousness because you're seeing yourself in a relationship to what's
going on. There has to be memory, has to be
acute recall, as well, of course as visual capacity and
auditory capacity. So when you look at all of these
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studies that are out there, and then you combine it
with the immense archives that have been completed by the
University of Virginia's Medical School, the Department of Perceptual Studies there,
especially doctor Emily Kelly and doctor Bruce Grayson, you can
see pretty much that this is truly an amazing group
of literature. And that's why the New York Academy of
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Sciences has really pronounced on what would have been considered
even ten years ago to be a radical pronouncement that
consciousness will be surviving bodily death. Let's take a look
at some of the data here, some of the evidence
that has been accumulated. First of all, we have vertical data.
It has been verified by an independent researcher after the fact.
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So when you have EEG, you have no electrical activity
in this cribl frontal cortices. If that's really happening, then
no electricity. It's like turning off the light switch. Nothing's
going to happen. There's not going to be any activity
in those lobes, along with the visual and auditory courtices
as well. So what happens then at this moment where
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there's EEG et cetera, a soul body kind of leaves
the physical body. But the soul body can think and
recall and remember, has vision, actually has sometimes three hundred
and sixty degree all around vision, hearing, emotion, self consciousness,
and is not subject to physical laws such as walls.
You can pass right through a wall, processes and structures.
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You can go straight up to the roof if you want,
and pass through all the ceilings in between. You're not
subject to gravity, et cetera. In this kind of spiritual
or soul body is what it's referred to as the
main here is that when this occurs, people claim when
they're at that state of flat eeg. Fixed dilated pupils,
et cetera. And when that state occurs, they claim that
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they can actually see things that are near their body,
for example, what's going on in the operating room, or
they can see things that are in the waiting room
next door, separated by a clear barrier, or even outside
the hospital, and even more remote than outside the hospital.
An independent researcher actually determines whether that happened or not
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according to separate standards that are obviously objective, and then
can verify that consciousness was taking place at that place.
I'll just give a few examples. In the operating room,
I want to pivon Lommos, patients actually just said, well,
miss so and so, we lost your dentures, And upon
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Lommos's patients said, no, you know it was my denture.
The nurse with the red hair took the denture out
of my mouth right before they put the paddles on me,
and then she opened up a drawer underneath the machine
that looked like XYZ threw the dentures in there. If
you find the nerves with the red hair, and you
find the machine that looks like XYZ, then open the drawer.
You'll see and sure enough, there they are. So you
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get the point again, one girl, Maria, again, she leaves
your body. This is remote from the operating room, right,
so her soul body leaves her physical body. She goes
zooming outside the hospital and she's hovering up on the
third floor there looking back at the hospital from the
vanish point of outside looking in. So to make a
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long story, shirt she says, I'm looking down there and
I see this tennis shoe there with a worn left
toe and a shoelace stuck underneath the heel. Just reported
it to one of your researchers, and one of doctor
Morris's researchers actually crawled out on the ledge and there
was the tennis shoe with the Warren left toe and
the shoelace underneath the heel, probably had been there for
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twenty two years from one of the construction workers. Nobody
had ever seen it before, but Maria did. So you
get the point. That's pretty clear that consciousness had to
be taking place in order for her to identify this.
And we have literally thousands of cases now, a verified
data of people who are actually one hundred percent accurate
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in their reports of what's going on. When they're nearly
brained dead, there are what's called state of clinical death. Okay,
let's just take a look at a second major factor here.
As I said, eighty one percent of blind people, most
of whom were blind from birth, see for the first
time when they are clinically dead flight eeg. Fixed not
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only to pupils, et cetera. Remember, he has or she
has no visual images in their physical brain, so it
would be impossible to loosen the a visual image because
there aren't any visual images. It's a very different kind
of imagination in a blind person, certainly not colorful and
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so forth. So the idea then is that these blind people,
I'll give you the example of Bradley Burrows, a sixteen
year old boy blind from birth. During his heart attack,
he basically goes zooming through hospital walls and he goes
right up to the top of the hospital and as
he zooms up there, he's looking at a scene of
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snow out on the ground there, and he knew it
was snowing. But when he had his heart attack, of
course he was able to see for the first time
what snow looked like. But then as he's out there
by the wall of the hospital, he sees a tram
passing by with a big, huge sign on the back
of it with an arrow pointing to the right. The
train is going slowly down this track and finally turns
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into a grove of trees off to the right. Now, trams,
just like trains, they have schedules down to the second,
and of course Bradley's heart attack and then clinical death
with the flat EEG can be timed down to the
second and right down to the coincidence of those seconds.
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Literally what Bradley described in his image of the train,
the tram going down the tracks and going into the trees,
exactly what happened right at that time next to the
hospital as he was describing. So again, hundreds of these
cases of blind people seeing for the first time reporting
one hundred percent accurately. They don't even have a chance
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of having a visual image in their brains because they've
never seen anything before.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain,
and you're listening to Father Robert Spitzer's evidence of the afterlife.
He was just talking about blind people seeing for the
very first time in a near death experience.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Hundreds of these cases of blind people seeing for the
first time reporting one hundred percent accurately. They don't even
have a chance of any a visual image and the
brains because they've never seen anything before. All I can
tell you is the physicalist explanations simply do not or
let's just take a look at some other quick evidence.
If you attach a modified polygraph to people after they've
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had a near death experience, you can actually measure the
absence of death anxiety. So, in other words, all of
us have a subconscious death anxiety. I show you some
pictures of sharks of big teeth, or some daggers or
blood flowing off of it, or a skullen crossbones or
something else. You probably say Okay, death is death, but
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there's an afterlift, there's a resurrection with Christ I'm doing okay,
So it wouldn't bug you consciously, but subconsciously where you
can't control your emotions or you have instinctual drives. When
you see all of this data that is very death
provoking or fear provoking, blood provoking, danger provoking, all of
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these things you react to with a modified polygraph. Right,
You're going to have a little bit of emotional discharge
there which is easily monitored. Well, get this.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
You take a kid who has.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
A near death experience, and a lot of children have
near death experiences, but the main thing is the child
who has a near death experience says, oh I love
my body, I went to another world, etc. That child
comes back and you put that modified polygraph on. You
show them any danger image, any bloody image, any shark image,
any skulling, nothing, no death anxiety. Forty years out, you
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can test them again when they're forty years old. They've
lost their subconscious death anxiety over which they have no control.
This is bizarre, but it happens during near death experiences
and no other time, and it lasts throughout the rest
of your life forty fifty years down the pike. Okay,
let's also take a look at just two other features
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that are good evidence during a near death experience, as
there are oftentimes two phases, right, So the first phase,
you're here on this earth, you're looking around what's going
on in the operating room, or like Bradley Burrows, you're
outside the hospital, or like Maria, you're outside the hospital
looking at the hospital from the outside, looking in, or
you might be in the waiting room. By the way,
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never say anything bad about anybody in the waiting room
who's died, because they can go right through those waiting
room doors and hear everything you're saying. And I might
point out this has happened in dozens and dozens of
cases where people in I went right through the walls
into the waiting room and guess what I heard you saying.
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So be nice. The main thing to look at, though,
is there's a second phase to a near death experience.
The second phase goes into an other worldly domain. You
are often met by deceased family members, mostly family members,
five percent of the time by friends, but most of
the time deceased family members. Sixty five percent of those
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going to the heavenly domain, do have an experience of
family members? Fifty percent have the experience of a loving
white light that they identify as either God or Christ.
Eighteen percent have a visible experience of Christ who looks
like a human being. That's eighteen percent of adults. A
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lot more children have experiences of a very visible, human
figured Christ. A lot of people identify Christ though in
this loving white life. Well, let's get down to the relatives.
That's the thing that makes for good evidence here when
this is really doable with children. So the child might
come and say, well, you know, Granddaddy met me when
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I was in heaven. And of course the parents will
or the researchers will say, well, granddaddy he died twenty
years before you were born. How do you know it
was granddaddy?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Because he told me, okay, well what did grandaddy look like?
And they put out a photo array of twenty different photos.
And now if they put the photograph of granddaddy when
he was eighty when he died, maybe the child will go,
I don't know that person. But when people are in
their soul bodies, when they're in that spiritual state, they
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revert back to what they looked like when they were
twenty five to thirty years old, So almost one hundred
percent of the time. If you put Granddaddy into the
photo array in his uniform during World War two or something,
and you mix it in with twenty other people, boom,
the kid will say, even with the uniform on, that's Granddaddy.
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They recognize him right from the twenty five to thirty
year old picture. Almost one hundred percent of the time
dead on.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Now.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
There's a huge archive of all these things at the
University of Virginia Medical School, Department of Perceptual Studies. And
Granddaddy or Uncle Joe or whoever who died way before
this child tells them certain things about their lives, certain
things about themselves, certain things about their parents, which of
course the parents have not disclosed to the child. The
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main thing, though, that's important again, is that you've got
a lot of testimony here that people did go over
to the other side. They did see somebody who identified
themselves as Granting. They can pick that person right out
of a photo array. It's absolutely amazing what they can do.
And then when they pick them out, so it turns
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out that this is what they look like when they
were twenty five to thirty years old. Okay, So there's
so much evidence that the New York Academy of Sciences
has declared the very credible possibility your consciousness is going
to survive your bodly death. And I would not just
call it consciousness. It's a soul body. You're not just
a disembodied consciousness that survives your physical body's death. There
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is something akin to a soul body with self consciousness, memory, recall,
and emotion and so forth. That's there. It's not attached
to the physical body at all. But it's a soul body,
and it looks like people look like when they were
twenty five to thirty years old. And the kids can
nail it almost every time with the picture of that person.
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All right, So that's the evidence. I think it's exceedingly strong.
And you can see the various stages, right, there's a
stage here in this world, stage in another world. The
loving white light almost always identified as God or Christ. Okay,
let's take a look at whether physicalist explanations will work
or not. A physical is basically tries to say this
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is all explicable with some physical explanatory apparatus. So it's
your brain that's hallucinating. It's your brain that's having dreamlets.
It's your brain. When I stimulate the temporal lobes of
the brain, it actually produces some lights or some images
and so forth, and so on. The pridal lobe is
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actually good for stimulation of images and so forth. So
that must be it. It's a physical explanation. There's really
about five things that militate against all of these things.
The first thing is, you'll never explain how eighty one
percent of blind people, most of whom are blind from birth,
could possibly hallucinate or get a stimulated visual image out
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of their physical brain. They don't have any You'll never
explain blind people hallucinations out of the question. They don't
have the visual imagination for hallucination dreamlets. They're not going
to have any dreamlets that look like our visual images
because they don't have any of their brains to stimulate
when you stimulate the parietal et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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So the key thought is blind people, all those hundreds
of cases of people reporting one hundred percent accurate data
can't be explained about I'd say eighty percent of the
case is let's just Take Bradley Burrows. Forget about the
fact that he's blown and lots of non blind people
see things outside the hospital. Take Maria. You're just not
going to be able to explain what Maria saw. How
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are you going to hallucinate one hundred percent accurately? What
is taking place outside the hospital that nobody is aware
of for twenty years and finally is seen by her
for the first time and reported because it's called invisible
shoe on a third floor ledge outside of a hospital.
How are you going to do this that kind of data,
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No matter how much you believe in coincidence, The odds
of Linda being able to do this is like trying
to describe to tap with random tapping of the keys
a Shakespeare soliloquy by random typing of the keys in
a single try.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
That's not going to happen.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
So the idea of describing perfectly unknown data one hundred
percent accurately, Again, there's not anywhere near the body. It's
outside the hospital very difficult to explain. The third thing
is near Deathics experiences are almost one hundred percent accurate.
Hallucinations are notoriously inaccurate on every level. Dreamlets are inaccurate
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right stimulation, parietal low temporal anoxia. Okay, you got some lights,
there's no accuracy to it, right, It wasn't a light light,
so that doesn't give you an accurate image to describe.
So again, hallucinations are notoriously inaccurate, very weird as a
matter of fact. More as near death experiences are one
hundred percent accurate and near death experiences there's no electrical
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activity in the brain. Remember flat EEG, fixed and dilated pupils.
No GAG reflects just a few sputterings, neurons and lower brain,
so you have no electrical activity in the higher functions
of the brain. Well, in order to hallucinate anything, every
physicalist explanation must have electrical activity in the brain, because
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the physical brain is producing the so called llucination. If
you don't have any electrical activity in every you can
stimulate your paridal lobe all day long, you aren't going
to get a vision because there's no electrical activity. Same
thing with dreamless, same thing with physicalist explanations. In all
last thing, the fifth thing where you have a real
difference between NDEs and physicallest explanations. The NDEs, let's face facts,
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NDEs are peaceful when people have their heavenly experience about
eighty percent of the time and one hundred percent of
the time in children. This is a very peaceful explanation. Hallucinations,
dream lens and the stimulation of the parietal lobe. Absolutely the
opposite produces very weird and almost sometimes antagonistic moods, very
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unpeaceful moods. And so, what can we conclude at the
end about these physical explanations. What can we conclude about NDEs?
I think we can conclude safely to what the New
York Academy of Sciences has said, there is a very
credible possibility that not just your consciousness but your soul
body will survive the death of your physical body, that
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there will be a moment where you are aware of
everything going on around your worldly surroundings. And maybe in
the operating room, could be outside the operating room, in
the waiting room, could be outside the hospital, could be
remote from the hospital. But surely something is happening where
you are cognizant of these things. And then there's a
second part to the whole thing, which of course is
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moving to a heavenly domain. The deceased relatives and friends,
as well as the very loving, exceedingly bright, very loving
white light.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain
and find out more about Father Spitzer at Magiscenter dot com,
and you may also want to check out med dot
Virginia dot edu and search for perceptual studies. Let's hear
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a few more words from father Spitzer.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Okay, any other evidence for a trans physical soul besides
what we've seen in the peer reviewed medical studies and
near death experiences. There are two in particular that I
just want to talk about today. The first one as
called terminallycidity, a phenomenon that is pretty common now among
people who work in the oncology area and certainly the
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researchers who deal with this at Harvard University and other places. Basically,
the phenomenon may be described as follows, about one to
two hours before someone dies. Here we're talking about a
person who has been fundamentally challenged intellectually write down to
almost an IQ less than twenty five I have almost
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zero capacity from their physical brain, not even able to
make animal sounds, or not even able to swallow without
devices to help them swallow. So they've been basically disabled intellectually.
So seriously, the debilitation from serious dementia, serious Alzheimer's brain legions,
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genetic difficulties, and certainly brain trauma, and a variety of
other things so debilitated that they can't possibly think with
their physical brain, and they have not done so for
five years. Now, Suddenly, after five years of never uttering
a word, not even an animal sound, this person gets
them and goes, hey, Bob, I'm about to die. This
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is one to two hours before death. I really need
some help with my funeral. Would you say the mass
for me? And by the way, could you throw these
elements into the hombly there? Could you also call up
these three people. I really want to reconcile with them
before I die in a couple of hours. By the way,
my will it's just incomplete. These doctors are looking at
this person who's basically a vegetable. Suddenly, like you and me,
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they're saying all these things that would require reflective understanding,
memory and consciousness. They're going, who are you? What's happened?
And as Rudolph Tansey says, well, it's totally inexplicable. It's amazing,
but it happens all the time. He's one of the
main researchers over at Harvard University, and there's a lot
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of like I said, Bruce Grayson over at the University
of Virginia Medical School in a variety of other researchers,
Michael namm Over in Germany, et cetera, have been writing
about this in some detail. The research now is very good,
But how can you explain this? You can only explain
it is if this soul body, which I've been trying
to describe, it's like a spiritual body that just or
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leaves the physical body somehow one to two hours before death.
What seems to happen is that this soul body begins
to gradually detach from the physical body, and as it
gradually detaches, it still has some connection with the central
nervous system, obviously the vocal cords, obviously other parts of
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the lower brain, and it remains there in that state.
But it's not the physical brain that's doing the thinking.
It's your soul consciousness that's doing the thinking, remembering, reflective, understanding, etc.
During that time, but it's still connected. The soul body
is still connected with the physical body. That seems to
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be the only explanation for how they're able to do this.
But what is doing the thinking, it's the same thing
that leaves the body in the near death experience, that
soul body with its consciousness, self consciousness, emotion, and memory intact.
It is the one that is doing the thing. All right,
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Let's just go to one last thing. Intelligence and hydrocephalic
patients is very important. There are several people who've been involved.
The Larber and Lewin studies are particularly significant because Larber
did six hundred scans of hydrocephalic patients and made some
remarkable discoveries. I've better describe hydrocephalus for just a moment.
Hydrocephalus is when spinal fluid begins to go up through
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the base of the ukranium and starts leaking into the
cranial cavity there and it destroys the brain tissue, and
spinal fluid replaces that brain tissue. If you don't stop
it with a shunt or something of that nature, it's
just going to keep on going until it gets to
over ninety five percent of the brain is destroyed and
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replaced by spinal fluid. We would expect that someone who
has less than five percent of their physical brain is
not going to be doing much thinking. Their whole cerebral
cortex and from all cortex are gone. I'm gonna be
doing a lot of thinking. So this guy Laurber, of course,
in Germany. He writes this study up that he has
six hundred scans and he finds that thirty of those
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people who've been scanned it verified. They have less than
five percent of their brain, ninety five percent of their
cranyum is filled with spinal fluid. They have a global
IQ over one hundred. How is this possible? In fact,
laurber was so stunned he basically called his article, is
your physical brain really necessary? And the answer is not really?
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And so this is the idea. Now. One of them
that Lauriber loved to describe was a mathematics student that
he knew. And this kid had a one twenty seven
global IQ, but he had a verbal IQ of something
like one forty five or one forty seven or something
like that. Anyway, it was a very high verbal IQ.
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And he had less than one millimeter of brain between
the ventricles in the cortical tissue, one millimeter of brain tissue,
and he's got a genius level IQ. She has almost
no brain and he's got a genius level IQ. Lawberd
just said, that's it. All I can tell you is
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something else is doing the thinking. And that's right. The
same soul body that we saw in terminlucidity the same
soul body that leaves the physical body during the near
death experience, for which we have excellent vertical data and
excellent data from the blind people, etc. This's the same thing.
My final comment to you is you are not simply
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a physical body. No one after the New York Academy
of Sciences pronouncement, no one should be thinking that they
are reducible to molecules and atoms. Yes, you've got a
lot of molecules and atoms, and yes there are overlapping
functions between what's going on in the soul consciousness and
what's going on in the physical brain. Yes, they're overlapping
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memory functions and so forth. However, at the same time
must tell you that the soul consciousness and the soul
body are not dependent on the physical consciousness of the
physical brain and of course the physical body. So at
the end of the day, what I can clearly tell you,
and what I believe to be reasonable and responsible based
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on scientific evidence, is that you do have a consciousness
and a soul body that will survive bodily death. That
the after life looks very much like Jesus Christ described it.
If you have a heavenly experience. It is loving, and
so I think it's reasonable and responsible to believe that
you will have a life after death. The point of
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course is I think there's good scientific validation for it.
I think you are a trans material being, that you
have a trans physical soul, and for all intents and purposes,
if you continue to investigate this more fully other kinds
of things like the shroud of Turin, et cetera, well,
I can assure you you will see similar correlations between
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not just science and God, but science and Christianity, the
Christian life, the resurrection of Jesus, and even miraculous hosts
that reveal living tissue growing out of a consecrated post,
and the whole Euchrist. So it's out there. I have
two books which I recommend to you, Science at the
Doorstep to God published by Agnesious Press, that deals with
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the God, life after death, the near death, experienced studies,
cosmological evidence for God, etc. And then there's another one
called Christ Science and Reason that's got all the scientific
evidence for Jesus, for the Shroud of Turin, eucharistic miracles,
Marian miracles, particularly looking at the miracle of the Sun
at Fatima, some of the absolute remarkable healings at Words,
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and of course the remarkable tilm of our Lady of
God Lupe. I have a friend who basically he was
crossing the street one day and somebody just said look
out and yanked him back, and car came careening down
the street and he looked back and there was no
one there. I have a friend who literally went two
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lures to get a cure, and she had a terrible
edema in her legs, swollen twice the size, and she
had to wear her husband's shoes. Her feet were two
to three times the size they once worked. So she
goes to the lords. She gets the water poured on her,
and she's coming out and nothing happened to her. So
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she stops outside for a second, and she pulls out
her old pills to keep the edema managed and so forth.
A person just says, hey, you're gonna believe or not believe,
and she thinks to herself for a minute. She throws
out the pills and starts walking, and the edema starts disappearing.
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Literally much show that she's flopping around in her husband's shoes.
Over the course of two three minutes, well, thanks so
very much for your kind attention. Keep looking at the
science and keep looking at the faith, and you will
find out why the vast majority of scientists are believers
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in God. Today, fifty one percent of scientists declare themselves
believers in God or a higher transcendent power. Only twenty
one percent are agnostic, twenty percent are atheist, eight percent
don't want to respond. And then you have among young scientists,
sixty six percent the supermajority claim to be believers in God,
(50:40):
only fifteen percent agnostic, fifteen percent atheist. Seventy six percent
of medical doctors are believers in God. Only twelve point
five percent our agnostic, eleven point two percent are atheists.
This is just a tip of the iceberg. Have fun
because science and faith are very recomplimentary and mutually corroborative.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
Indeed, thank you, Father Robert Spitzer. This is not a
show about religion. It's about the afterlife. But this man's
done so much research and so much work, and I
respect whatever religious beliefs, if you have them or not.
It's my job to present the best evidence of the afterlife,
(51:25):
and I love Father Spitzer's words. Please come visit me
at weedotdie dot com. Be sure to sign up for
my email list at the bottom of the page. Get
a copy of my book other free goodies. Also, come
visit me on our free Sunday gathering with medium demonstration included.
(51:46):
You can find everything and more atwdotdie dot com. In closing,
I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to
Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Cost to
Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
And if you liked this episode of Shades of the Afterlife,
wait until you hear the next one. Thank you for
listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Podcast Network.
Host
Sandra Champlain
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