At Home with Gary Sullivan 3/3/2024 Hour 3

Gary wraps up Sunday with your calls, questions and tips.

Episode Transcript

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Well the weekend. It is welcomeaboard. You're at home with Gary Salvan.
Thanks for joining me, and let'stalk a little home improvement. You
can grab a line. We've gota couple of lines open. It's eight
hundred eight two three eight two fivefive. Talk about your home project and
Daryl, welcome. How are you. I'm doing pretty good at your sell

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doing great. Thank you. Hey. I I have a roof that is
in pretty good shape. Some ofthe shingles are I wouldn't say brittle,
but they're firm. I was talkingto a gentleman from a company called roof
Max. Yes, and they havea thing where it's kind of an oil,

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a proprietory, but they have anoil that basically is supposed to rejuvenate
the shingles and make them more flexible. And I'm wondering if it'd be worth
if you heard about them, andif you'd be worth actually getting well.
I have heard about him, andI have talked to him several times over
the course of time, and mainlyto as far as being worth it,

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it's going to have to be yourdecision. So here's exactly what this product
is all about. And and andthis comes right from them. And I
don't know if it's you know,worth it to everybody, but it's certainly
worth it to some people. Imean, when a roof begins, when

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a roof shingle begins to fail,and this is basic education, the granular
parts of the shingle, the toppart of the shingle begins to lose the
grains of sand or the granular partof that shingle which protects the guts of
that shingle from the ultraviolet rays ofthe sun, which then starts making that

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shingle not flexible, and eventually itstarts breaking that shingle down where it begins
to crack and it fails. Okay, so if you have a roof that
is a twenty five year warranty,very few roofs ever make it twenty five
years. You'll probably end up replacingthat it twenty years or twenty one years,
but rarely do they make it totwenty five years. So this FELLA

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introduced and did a lot of studyingand introduced a product that you onto the
shingle before it degrades too far.And what it does is it rejuvenates the
shingle. It also helps that granularprotective coating on the shingle stay intact.

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So it creates kind of a ceilingto keep that intact, and it extends
the life of the shingle for aboutfive more years. You can then do
another coating of it if you'd like. I think you can go up to
three coatings. I may be wrongon that, but I think it's correct.

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And so the question is how muchdoes it cost Gary, Well,
probably about a third of the costof replacing the roof. So the decision
then comes. I mean, eventuallyyou replaced the roof, right, but
the question is is maybe finances justdon't really work right now to replace the

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roof. This is a good alternative. Maybe I'm going to be moving in
you know, a few years orfive years or six years. Let me
just get this to the point whereI sell the house and you know,
is it worth it? Then yeah, it might be worth it. So
that's how the whole system works.That's what it does, and it's been

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out a while, it's got thehistory to prove that it does what it
says it's going to do, andso the decision really comes to you.
Well, so you you feel thatit's a plausible, good option, Oh

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yeah, you know, I thinkit's one of those products that falls into
category. It's probably not for everybody, but it's probably worth it to some
people to let's go ahead and extendthat. I don't want to put a
roof in right now, you know, if I can get five more years
out of it, you know,for a few thousand bucks, it's probably
worth it to do that. Youknow. That's the way I look at

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It's just one of those products,not for everybody, but certainly it fills
a place in the marketplace. Okay, do you think it would be a
good idea if we has technically tworooms on it, they just covered up
the second the first one with thissystem for that oh yeah, yeah,

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yeah yeah. And the other wayto look at it really is the roof
guarantee on the actual roof probably voidedwhen you put it over other shingles anyway,
Right, so you know, it'skind of your decision. You know,
how long you're going to be inthe house. Do you want to

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just tear it off and bite thebullet now and do the whole thing,
or you want to, you know, kick the can down the road and
wait five years. May it wouldbe a better time, and maybe I
won't be in the house anymore.You know. Then I'm thinking like,
yeah, you know that that makessense. Then okay, Well, if
the guy's supposed to come out innext week and I just wanted to get
some information before second opinion, beforethey come out, that'd be great.

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You try to do it three times. I think it's three times. It
may be two. You'll have toask him. I kind of forget.
Well, I'll still give me tenyears, yeah, exactly, and report
back to me. Give me acall next week and tell me how that
meeting went. I'd love to hearit. All right, thank you much.
All right, Daryl, take careyou bet bye bye. All right,

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let's go to Shelley. Shelley,welcome. Thanks Gary. Yes,
I was listening yesterday about you talkeda lot about water intrusion, and you
said something about if you try torepair what you think is a leak,
it could actually cause more damage becauseit's the water could be building up behind

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like a wall or something. Yeah, so let me just kind of explain
that a little bit. So,if you have a leak inside the basement,
the first thing you need to knowis water travels in the path of
the least resistance. If there isno resistance, that's where you're going to
get the water. So if youhad a crack and a foundation, and
you had water ponding around the foundation, it's coming through that crack. If

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you have good drainage around the house, maybe it doesn't even come through the
crack. Maybe there's underground pipes thatare taking that water accumulation away. So
I was jokingly saying, not jokingly, it's a fact. It's about water
control and water proofing, but moreso water control, controlling the water that's

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around the foundation. That's the key, Okay, because I'll tell you I
have a problem spot. I havea sidewalk that abuts the foundation, and
I started noticing water trickles of waterrunning down the inside of the foundation in

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the basement, and I thought,we fixed that, and we did.
I didn't have any leaks for probablya year and a half because we calked
it really well where that's where thatsidewalk meets the foundation, and it seemed
to have solved the problem. Well. Now, after a rain last week
or so, I went downstairs andI noticed a tiny puddle about the size

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of a quarter not coming down thewall. Anymore. But there's a few
chunks of the foundation of the basementfloor, the concrete floor missing in an
area, and it's right next tothat. And I thought, before I
heard you show yesterday, I thought, oh, just call somebody and we'll
just put a little concrete where thosechunks seem to be missing. But I'm

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wondering now after what you said,is that the best rouy or who that
I call? All right, Sothe chunks that where the floor is missing
is right up against the wall.Yeah, okay, So think about it
this way. The floor is aseparate power of the wall. So there's
a natural seam there. Okay,So the problem is the water table or

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the water on the outside of thatfoundation wall. There's there's a lot there,
and the path of least resistance iscoming right through that natural seam.
If we caught that which may ormay not be strong enough, or we
use like a hydraulic cement to stopthat. The question then you need to

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ask yourself is if I stop itthere, where's the path of least resistance.
My guess is it's just further downthat seam. Okay, So the
then the question comes, let's lookoutside, because again it's water control,

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it's not water proofing. So whydo I have so much water right there?
Either the water table is higher thanmy floor which is underneath the house,
or I talk about the killer g'sI talked about it yesterday. That
means ground water. That means gutters, and that means grating. So you

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can have too much water around thefoundation. If the gutters are clogged or
the downspouts clogged and the water spillsover and goes directly on the foundation,
you will then have too much waterbecause it's collecting the water around the whole
footprint of the house and it's pouringit right on that foundation. Could it
be grading. It's not sloped awayfrom the house. In fact, if
you got a sidewalk there, it'sprobably tilted towards the house, and so

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that grating to tilt that sidewalk awayfrom the house. And there's something we
can do about that, and I'lltell you in a minute. And then
the third thing would be ground water. Obviously it was puddling on that sidewalk
in the foundation because you felt aneed to calk it. Okay, so
we have too much water there.There's something The grating is either tilting and

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it's working almost as a little basinto push all that water to the foundation,
or the gutters are clogged or both, but we get a lot of
water. We got more water thanwe're supposed to have. And if it's
the grating where the sidewalk's tilted towardsthe house, what I would do is
I would get like a one concreteleveling. And what they do is they
drew holes in that sidewalk. They'llpump us cementatious material underneath it, and

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they'll lift that sidewalk and they'll slopethat sidewalk away from the house. Okay,
And so that's one point you coulddo. If it is the gutters,
make sure those are clogged and notare cleared and not clogged, because
that spillage could be causing all theproblems. Because there's a natural seam there,

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remember that. So the floor inthe walls is are separate ports.
There's a natural seam there. Everybody'shouse has a natural seam there, but
not everybody's house is leaking there.M hm. Okay, Okay, So
all right, I hope that helps. But it's you know, you know,
so you can always you know,we had ever dry on. That's

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you're probably a little bit away fromhave to call them right away. You
can certainly call them and get theirinput. You could call like A one
concrete leveling and get that sidewalk,get a positive grade to it. But
I would check my killer gs,groundwater grading and gutters. Okay, okay,
And I didn't ask the screener aboutthis. Do you have time for

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one more? I'll tell you what. Let me put you on hold and
then we'll come back and we'll getyour second quest. You're at home with
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at it we go. Twenty threeminutes after the top of the air talking
home improvement, you can join us. It's eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. All right,Shelly, what's the other question? Okay,
thank you. Well, when wehad a really cold snap last year,
there were there was water puddling onmy window sills on the inside of

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the house, and I heard youtalking today about the humidity difference. And
but before I realized that, Icalled two different window companies to come and
give me estimates because I thought Ineeded new windows. But when they both
came out, they basically said,what you said about the humidity, and
so they said they didn't. Idon't need new windows, but my rooms

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are absolutely freezing. And I alreadyhad a whole house foam insulation, which
I love, the USA insulation.Yes, it made a big difference.
And I also had the roof insulatedby them as well, so the house
was very well insulated. He said, it was just a humidity difference.
And so and I don't need newwindows, but my rooms are are like

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are really like ice. And Ithink it's the window. Is it possible
that windows could be in good shapebut they're just not efficient? Sure?
Sure, I was going to askyou how old those windows are? Do
you think probably old because the housewas built in nineteen fifty five and they
look like their old fashioned style windows. Well they're not minds. So are

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those steel casements. They got alittle crank and you crank the wind out.
No, but you they've got likea storm window, like single pain.
But then there's a storm window insideand you slide them back and forth.
I'm sure that's the issue. AndShelley and Austy nine ten times,
if you called and told me therewas a water droplets on there, I

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have said the same thing. It'sthe humidity. It's too high. But
there is a secondary cause. Thatis the main cause. Is people don't
understand that humidity can cause those waterdroplets. Condensation will occur on the glass.
But condensation also occurs on the glassif there are leaky windows. So

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if you've got a really cold soif it's seventy degrees inside your house and
it's twenty degrees outside and twenty degreesis leaking through that window the sides or
the storm window, you can havea clash of temperatures right cold, it's
hot, and there's condensation. Soin that case, based on what you're

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telling me, single pane glass,even with a with a storm window is
I mean, it's no contest.The new windows are so much more energy
efficient. Okay, you know Iwould say that is the problem. Okay,
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but I love them. Okay,fabulous, Thank you so much.
All right, you're welcome, Thankyou, bye bye. That really says
a lot too, because humidity levels, especially this time of year, where
you get yo yo weather and youhave water droplets on the glass, I
can tell you it's it's almost alwaysthe humidity levels inside the house are playing

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games with you. But if yougot leaky drafty windows, and I'm not
saying it's going through the glass thoughsome does, but on the sides of
the panels, that can cause waterdroplets and conversation also. Soon as she
starts saying oh it's the original windowsfrom nineteen fifty five, I'm like,
gosh, that's it. That's it, no question. All right, James,

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we go thirty three minutes after thetop they are talking to Home Improvement.
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is available via podcast also, sotake advantage of that. All right,
let's get to James. James Welcome, Good morning, Gary morning. My
dad I inherited his house and hisgarage and he built his garage by hand
around the seventies, post nineteen eighty, and he put in a the man

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block foundation. In the last fiveyears the blocks where I have three garage
doors, and all three some ofthe blocks are either breaking up or just
kind of sinking, creating gaps whenthe door's closed and the weather stripping and
put brand new weather stripping in.But there's still some big gaps where the
when around here just blows that dustin like crazy, and I just don't

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know how to attack that problem.Either add a little more weather stripping in
the gaps, or do I haveto tackle the cement block problem. So,
so where the garage door comes downonto the garage floor, is that
where the gaps are? Yes?And if it's blocks, it's actually coming

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down on the blocks of the walls, okay, okay, and built in
because if we have no there isno cement floor in there, it's old
dirt still, okay, okay,So blocks that he laid down, okay,
So okay, so these aren't likemasonry blocks. These are just like

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square Is that what you're saying?Your rectangular cement blocks, gotcha? Okay?
That have holes in them? Right? So are they buried to a
degree? Yes? Okay, allright, all right, I got you
now. So well we could doa couple of things. Is the gap
pretty universal? Because you mentioned puttingin more weather stripping. Ideally that's the

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easiest thing to do, but it'snot really weather stripping on the door.
They make a garage door threshold whichis a self stick and it's it's cushiony
okay, so it kind of canlevel itself and the door will close and
press on that. You may haveto also adjust if you have a door

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opener. You may have to justhow far that door goes down where its
sensitivity is, which is easy todo. It's huge on the backside of
the door opener. Depending on thebrand. You can kind of google that
so that it doesn't hit it andreturn it. That would be the only

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attached to the cement, yes,okay, okay, yeah, because the
other way you're kind of spreading agrowling or a concrete patching material on there
and eventually, you know, youget water in there and that's going to
break up and fail. So thisis kind of a rubber threshold that's just
you know, self adhesive right ontothe concrete itself. Get a good and

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clean, let it dry and attachthat. I know you asked me if
it's kind of intermittent and the gapsare they tend to be at the ends
of the doors, not in themiddle, right, it's kind of weird
the block seem to be dropping orbreaking up at the ends. Okay,
each door. Yeah, so here'sanother option. Okay, so you know,

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you can go online. You canlook at the threshold for the bottom
of a grudge and see if youknow, if what I'm suspecting would work.
The other option, if it's oneach side and it's the size of
your hand, you know, whereit's a small patch and you got to
make it, you know, threeace of an inch and you can close
that gap. You can get aproduct that quick Crete makes called vinyl concrete

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patcher. Vinyl Concrete patcher is apowder that's mixed with water. Can be
applied up to three ace of aninch thick per application, and you could
just patch that area. So youknow, you could close the door,
find out where it's you know,lights kind of you know beaming through,

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and take a you know, redpencil, put a mark on there,
and then just come back and patchover that. It's relatively quick drying,
it's easy to apply. You canfeather edge it down to a sixty fourth
of an inch. Uh, Andthat might be another option. Yeah,
that might be more of a betteroption to try first, because what some

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of these gaps are small and thenthey're big, and so you can try
that with that weather. Yeah,with that threshold. Does that wear off
with the vehicle going over in time? Well, everything will wear off,
even that patch of last year,five or six years. I mean,
everything's not going to be for permanent, you know, based on where it's
at and is there any prepare justgood and clean, just good and clean,

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you know, tri same phosphate scrubbrush. Let it dry well and
make your patch when you mix thatup. I don't know if it hasn't
on the directions or not, butwhen you mix that vinyl concrete patch up,
you know, mix it up ina little small little pail and let
us sit for about three three tofive minutes and let's stiffen up a little
bit and then just put it onwith a wide taping knife or something along

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those lines. And how long doesit take to see? I think it's
a couple hours. You might evenlet it dry over night or something.
Oh perfect, perfect, righty,Well, thank you Gary, all right,
take care, thanks for the call, appreciate it all right, and
we'll go to Dale Dale Welcome.Hi. Yes, I'm contemplating putting a

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master bedroom edition on my house,my wife and our house. It's a
ranch, you know, just asingle story. I don't want to put
a basement under this part because wehave so much trouble with groundwater, just
water coming up out of the ground. So you would do like basically like

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building a deck, put down someconcrete piers and build a framework and set
on these piers. Correct, Yeah, okay, you're going to create a
crawl space, right. Well,I don't I want the addition to be

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above the ground. Okay, well, then you would much like you would
do with a deck. So youput your piers down below your frost line
so there's no heaving and falling.Right. Yep. We live in South
Dakota, so it's cold nine monthsout of the year, and so I'd

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have to insulate my framework. WhatI'm getting at is, how do you
steal the bottom of this framework upwell hold your insulation than to keep animals
And yeah, well that's the that'sthe drawback of having a house that's elevated,
right, I mean from a standSo how much elevation will there be

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there? Well, from where Iwould attach to the house, there would
only be like eight inches. Butwhere I get twenty foot out it'd be
three foot Well. One of thethings that you could do is you could
use and I'm not talking about keepingthe animals out at this point. I'm
talking about insulating what a lot ofpeople do now, and that would be

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technically not a cross space, butyou can kind of treat it that way.
What I would do is I woulduse a closed cell foam between the
joist and seal that up. Closedself foam is going to have an our
value of about three per inch ofthickness, and I'd get in there as
much as you can. So onceyou have that, then it's going to

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be a matter of how to keepthe animals out. And animals are always
going to find their way in,especially this time of year. Skunks right
now, burrowing animals, gophers,they're going to dig down. I just
saw a couple of possums in mychicken house, like right right. So
there's all kinds of ways of doingthat. You can skirt it to a
degree, but you know, tryingto keep animals out of burrowing animal they'll

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go down, so quarter in chartwear cloth down about a foot and then
up on the back side of theskirting would be a way to keep the
animals out. Okay, I needto run some I want to put a
master bedroom suite on, so Iwould need to run some plumbing lines in

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the choice too and into the existinghouse. You would do that before you
shot the follow me in up.Well, yeah, you're gonna want to
make sure that's insulated for sure,and are you going to do this work
yourself or well no, no,but you know I want an overview of
how it should be done. Yeah. Well, I think what I would

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do is if you're going to hirea contrast or have an idea, obviously
you've got a working knowledge on youknow, you're gonna have to have your
pipes insulated. You know, youknow the problem with the animals and stuff,
and he's going to need some drawings. Anyway, I think I would
find my person that you're going tosettle in on and let's get some drawings.

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I can't see the house and howit's set up, but yeah,
any type of anything that's going inthere, with the temperatures and the weather
that you have is going to wantto be protected from the elements, and
certainly that foam will allow you todo that. So I you know,
you know, taking those precautions,making sure that you know it's always moisture,

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cold animals. Those are the thingsthat are really going to cause your
problems. Those are the things you'regonna have to address. Thanks much for
the call down. We're gonna takea break. We got John and and
Sylvia. Now we'll wrap things upfor the weekend. You're at home with
Gary Sullivan. Help for your homeis just a click away at Garysullivan online
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ideas. All right, back herewe go twelve minutes before the top of

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the hour, plown through another weekend. We are and that's always good news.
It's getting warmer, get some thingsdone around the home, and John,
you're up. Welcome, Hey Gary, good morning, Good morning.
I have three products I'm looking for. One would be to google fill hairline

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cracks and the basement floor. Iguess that would be quickly crack filler yep,
the crack filler and the court jug. These are cracks that are about
three sixteens or smaller. Oh yeah, yeah, very small yep yep.
And the only one. But see, Uh, what's the best way to

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clean hard with the floors that hadcopper copperate on them for many, many
years. Well, tell me whatthey look like. Well, they don't
look bad. I mean, theyjust look sort of grayish like. Well,
if it's grayish, I wonder ifit's even dirt or whether it's just

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the wood that's oxidizing or changing colorsfrom the sun. Well where do we
start. Well, well, Idon't know what the gray is. Do
you really think it's dirty? Doyou think it's just sun damage coming through
a window or something along those lines. No, it's carpeting for twenty thirty

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years or so colored and not.All I know is hardwood floor under there,
and I'm going to have to cleanup. And so are you going
to refinish that hardware floor? Well, I don't know at this point.
So I lift all up and seewhat the condition are. But there's some
products that is rejuvenates before clean.Yeah. Well, here's two names you

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can try. One of them isa Jaws product that I talk about called
Hardwood Floor Cleaner. Then there's alsoone you can get it and that's off
the internet. The other one youcan get at hardware stores and big box
stores called bona b O n A. I'm familiar to that. I would
try one of those first. Okay, that's the real starting point of which

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if that doesn't do it, thenwe've got to go further. And the
other thing is what are we washingdown walls before paintings? Why or what
do we use? What do weuse? You could just use just a
soap and water. You could usea phosphate free TSP. It would be

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probably one of the best products.Oh yeah, that would be that would
be one of the better ones forsure. Well, love about takes care
of it. Alrighty, well,good luck to you have a day.
All right, you do the same, thank you. All right, then
we'll go to Sylvia. Sylvia.Welcome. Yes, good morning, Gary,

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thank you. I had called yousome time ago, not too long
ago, maybe within the past threefour months, regarding the rejuvenation product for
the roast oh yeah, the roofmax. Yes, and at that time

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you were not able to answer myquestion. There are two companies in this
area. One the company said,because of the fact that I have three
layers, oh, that would notdo the rejuvenating process because the layers my

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slip. The other company said they'venever heard of that happening. So I
don't know what. I don't knowwhat layers slipping would mean. I can
tell you this, three layers areroofing. You're right on the edge.
Okay, Yes, normally acceptable astwo layers, and code in a lot

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of places would be prevented from puttinga third. Now, they're not all
the same, so in some areasyou can put three layers on. But
when you said he wouldn't do itbecause there's three layers, I thought you
were going to say because the heatbuild up from three layers would cause their

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coating to fail. I don't knowif that's true. That's just my gut
feeling that would be a reason.But as far as saying the slippy,
I don't understand that, well,I didn't understand it either, and I
thought even if I asked him toexplain it further, I probably wouldn't really

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understand it either. But I could. I could do that. I could
go back to the company and askthem, you could what the other pane
is. They said that they hadnever heard of that of slippy, that
possibility of it happening. They couldcode it. Yeah, oh yes,
and that particular company charged more thanthe other that said they would not do

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it. Oh, I I don'tknow. I just am in a quandary.
I would I think this rejuvenating processsounds really like a very fine Well,
it's a good Yeah, it's agood temporary fix. And like you

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know, if you're not going tobe in that home in five years or
even ten years, you know,it'd probably keep you from tearing off three
layers of roofing and reroofing the house. So, as I was telling an
earlier caller, it really is apersonal decision on what you want to do,
and you know what you can't do. But if you had asked me

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that question, I think I'm stillin the same spot. And that is
I don't know if there's a restrictionon you know, how many layers I
mean, the layers are underneath theroof that we're trying to protect. Whether
it can be used, that's probablyup to the manufacturer, which is probably
what I told you in the firstplace. But if you got one person

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saying no and one person saying yes, I think you do deserve to call
the person has said no and sayexplain that whole slippage thing to me because
I'd like to know too. Iyou know, if they said heat,
I would kind of get it slippachI don't. I don't. I don't
get that. Okay, okay,all right, I will, all right,

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very good, Sylvia. Let meknow. That's how we all learn.
Thank you very much. I appreciate. And that's also, as I
harp and say all the time,that is the advantage of getting multiple estimates,
because not only do you get differentprices, you get different ideas.
And it's interesting that the person thatsaid it be slippage was the cheaper one

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and the more expensive one was ano, I can go ahead and do
that. I wonder why you don't. You is the one just a more
educated company on the product and theother ones I don't know, but those
are the questions I would ask.I don't know why the amount of layers

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would have anything to do with spraying. Basically, it's a roofing ceilant that
keeps the granulars protecting shield on theshingles longer, because once you start losing
that, that sun starts baking thatshingle and causing the problems. So it
keeps that granular layer more intact.So a wild and crazy weekend. It

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was Danny boy. Thank you verymuch, Annie, and I appreciate.
It's been a busy one too.Did multiple shows, including the Home and
Garden show in my city and thatwas fun. It's always good to go
out and see what's hot and what'snew and talk to some contractors, and
that's a great place to do it. They're all one building, so it's

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saved you time and you can alsokind of meet the contractor it might be
doing the work for you. Sogood Lord Willing. We'll be back next
weekend for more at Home with GarySullivan. Weekends, I mean a never

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