Brian talks with Congressman Massie this morning

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Brian Thomas wishing youre one a very happy Wednesday, and
you're listening right now, You've got to be a happy
person because welcome back and a very happy new year
to one of the few ones we've got that we
can count on. Congressman Thomas Massey, Welcome back, my friend.
It is always a distinct pleasure to have you on
the fifty five Cars Morning Show.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Happy new year, Brian to you and your listeners.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
So are you optimistic for this year? Hit the ground running?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I am optimistic. I think we can get some stuff done.
It's a big it's a big opportunity, and I hope
we don't screw it up. Mike, Republicans often do. Well.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I know that's the case. Let's just start with the
speaker vote, because you know, I know you were not
a Johnson guy, and I've got other listeners who hate
the guy for whatever reason. But I think, optically speaking,
to start out with a speaker fight that might have
been drug out and delayed things and sort of made
the Republican Party look like they weren't unified to do

(01:12):
to get something accomplished, probably would have you know, I
think in order poorly to the Republicans and helped the
Democrats on some level, if for nothing more than they
could make fun of the Republican Party for not being
unified or presenting a unified front. What's your reaction to
that analysis.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Well, I went back and forth with Nuke Gingridge on this,
and you know, one thing that you noticed is nobody
is saying Mike Johnson is a good speaker, a great speaker,
a capable speaker. True, I don't want to disparage him
at this point because he is our speaker. But I
want to say that the decision process, the argument that
people were making is the argument that you made, which is,

(01:52):
let's just get this behind us, let's get on track,
let's start moving forward. Had I think in analogies, I
think it's if you make an analogy to buying a car,
it's like, listen, vacation starts tomorrow. We got to start
this family vacation. We know this car here on this
lot leaks, Well, it's got a bad piston ring. It

(02:14):
doesn't start unless you hit the starter with the hammer.
But let's buy this car so we can start our
vacation tomorrow, or we're gonna buy. We need a house.
We need a roof over our head. We know this
house leaks. The roof leaks, the foundation is crumbling, the
door sills are rotten. But give me those mortgage papers.
Let's sign notes. It's like it's a question or an

(02:36):
argument of expediency that was made. I think it's going
to come back and buy us in the butt, okay,
And we can talk about the places where I think
you'll get it right in the places where people are
going to be disappointed.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, and you anticipated exactly where I was going with that,
all right, So you know we got the leaky roof house.
How is Johnson going to potentially sabotage or other undermine
something that the Republicans might want to accomplish. How are
things going in your mind? What scenario will things prove

(03:08):
to be the sort of I told you so. A
moment for Congressman Thomas Massey on this choice.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
And by the way, if you go back before Christmas,
pretty much ninety percent of people agreed with me that
we should have a different speaker. It was when Trump
endorsed him that you know, okay, now let's get behind him. Okay,
there are only a couple pieces of legislation that are
going to matter in the next year and frankly maybe

(03:38):
for the next two years. When I talked to President
Trump personally after the election, this was about ten days
after election, I said, I think you got about six
months a runway to get this agenda done, and he agreed.
And the way we're going to get things done is
in a bill called reconciliation. But there's also another bill
called the Omnibus that's going to come up as well.

(03:59):
One of these bills is likely going to pass with
only Republican votes. That's a reconciliation bill. The other bill,
the Omnibus, is likely going to be a repeat of
what we've seen before, where you get a uniparty vote
for that. And I'm worried that the Speaker is going
to give away that the store in that omnibus bill. Now,

(04:21):
the debt limit has to be increased at some point
as well to fund all of these things they're talking about.
Where do you put that debt limit increase? They're probably
going to almost certainly going to put it in the
reconciliation bill. It's going to pass with all Republican votes.
So you kind of get two omnibus bills that are

(04:41):
coming up. Think of the reconciliation bill as an omnibus bill,
and then there's going to be the typical omnibus bill. Well,
one of those is a Republican omnibus and the other
one is a uniparty omnibus. And in the reconciliation that's
where you're going to get Trump's agenda. But the Swamp
is really going to try and get some I'm afraid

(05:01):
going to get some junky in there. And they're also
probably going to bust the budget in there unless some
of us hold their feet to the fire on that one.
Let me explain. So, the Reconciliation bill is going to
have the tax cuts that you know we did under
Trump the first time that unfortunately expire after a certain

(05:22):
period of time. It's going to have border security in it.
Those are I think the two main things you can
count on having in there. The question is how do
you pay for those things? Things like work requirements for
able bodied people on welfare. It seems like a no brainer,
right Brian, but we don't. We still don't have those

(05:42):
imposed on the states. They've got so much wiggle room
that they basically don't have them in most states. And
if you would do that, then you could say, oh,
we're going to save this much money in the federal
budget and we can offset those tax cuts that are
coming up. And then there's little things in the minutia
like this thing called state and local tax deduction. The

(06:02):
people from New York, the Republicans from New York and
some from Virginia and some of these high tax states,
they think they should be able to offset their state
and local taxes off their federal tax bill. My question
to them is, why should you pay any less for
our military defense that we do in Kentucky or Ohio
just because your local taxes are high in New York.

(06:26):
The answer is they shouldn't. But they're going to be
an argument over that anyways. That all goes in reconciliation,
and the question is are we going to increase the
debt at the same time that we're raising the debt limit,
like I'm sorry, increase the deficit at the same time
that we're raising the debt limit, because that's going to
be in reconciliation. So there's this. You know, I'm going

(06:49):
to listening sessions today individually with the Whip. I'll be
meeting with him, and then we're going to have a
larger meeting with a larger group of people with the
Speaker later today talking about this reconciliation bill. Meanwhile, nobody
wants to talk about this omnibus bill because the government
funding for the things we appropriate, like military, NASA, roads

(07:10):
and bridges, all of that stuff comes up in March.
I know, you've got to break somewhere in We.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Got a couple of minutes, so I was waiting for
you to bring up regular order. Aren't there supposed to
be twelve appropriations bill? And now that we have Republicans
and control of the House, the Senate, and the Executive branch,
couldn't we get back to doing twelve separate appropriations bill
as is required and as part of the job description
everybody elected official up there.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
You know that sounds wonderful, Brian. That has gone out
the window. There will be no attempt at regular order.
They're putting pennies in the fuse box. And now you know,
and you know, in some to some degree, it's a
fair thing for them to want to do on reconciliation.
Let me let me tell you why. This is how

(07:56):
the Democrats got the so called Inflation Reduction Act pass.
They did it on reconciliation. I should have pointed this
out in the beginning. If you do something under something
called if you do legislation under something called reconciliation, you
only need fifty one votes in the Senate, And that
is why you can pass it with all Republican votes

(08:19):
and get Republican agenda items in it. And so that's
why they're going to create this bill that has everything
in it together. It's so you can pass it through
the Senate with fifty one votes instead of sixty votes. Now,
to your point, on the omnibus bill that funds roads
and bridge, is, NASA defense, all of those things that
should be twelve separate bills. But that deadline's coming up

(08:42):
in March. And by the way, if we do another
CR in March, there's still the massive provision that I
got negotiated in there a year and a half ago
that says if you go past April thirtieth on a
continuing resolution, all of those appropriation line items get cut
one percent. So kind of secretly hoping for another cr
instead of an omnibus. Uh. But what we should do

(09:06):
is twelve separate bills. I can guarantee you we're not
going to do that between now and March, and then
when March comes along, they're going to say, we've got
to do this omnibus bill. And President Trump wisely does
not want the debt limit deal in the omnibus. He
wants it in reconciliation, because when you put it in reconciliation,

(09:28):
you're negotiating with Republicans. You put it in the omnibus,
you're going to be negotiating with the uniparty.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Which yeah, I understand, I understand, but I guess I
have to understand on some level. Clearly spending is the problem,
and there's no accountability in government. I mean there's none.
I know, make an argument one way or the other,
but in the final analysis, you get a defense bill.
They can't pass audits time after time after time. They

(09:58):
have no idea where the money's going. We're talking nine
hundred billion dollars and it can't be accounted for. Is
there any way Trump can help on this? Put pressure
on peoples. This is a new day we need to
cut spending and quit funding these ridiculous projects and look
across the table at Republicans who should be in favor
of fiscal responsibility and try to hold them accountable out

(10:20):
loud on ax account or truth social media. I mean,
doing press conferences and pointing out the bad actors that
keep insisting on things like writing off their state taxes
so that because they have a state with high taxes.
I mean, you know, embarrassment can work, can it?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Well, that's how Doge is gonna work. Yeah. I mean
I've and I've talked of the personally. He and I
sat down one on one and I told him, you've
got to get in this reconciliation bill because if you're
not in that, they're just going to pay lip service
to Doge. Right, And uh, by the way, after the break,
let's talk about what I'm trying to get in reconciliation

(10:58):
that will fundamentally change intrastructural government and restore constitutional balance.
All right, But in the meantime, yeah, we should cut spinning.
Our worst enemies are some of these Republicans up here.
I know that they say we want a ten percent
increase in the military budget. We're willing to give the
Democrats ten percent increase and everything else. And so we

(11:21):
get a ten percent increase across the board on all
of these things, including the social programs. That that's going
to happen. Take it to the bank. That is going
to happen in this omnibus bill. Now, if you had
a speaker who didn't want to play that game, who
wasn't beholden to the military industrial complex, if he's demonstrated
over and over, then that wouldn't have to be the case.

(11:43):
But this is where we are.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
All right, we'll bring Congress from Messy back and we'll
get Massey's reconciliation wish list plaus from at eight sixteen.
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Speaker 2 (13:12):
We got Congressom Massi on the phone right now, and
follow by, of course, Judge Annonopolitano, and I know he's
probably listening right now. Congressman Massy big fan of yours,
and I know you like him, and we all kind
of think like mindedly in terms of our libertarian perspective
on things. All right, back over to the reconciliation. What
are Congressom Massy's wishless when it comes to the reconciliation?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Okay, if somebody just joined us over the break, let
me summarize what I said before. There's two big trains
leaving the station here in Congress. One is reconciliation that
only needs fifty one votes to pass the Senate. The
others this omnibus bill that you're typically used to that
needs sixty votes to pass the Senate. The reconciliation bill

(13:54):
is going to be all Republicans. We got to get
it done with all Republicans. They need my vote for that.
The omnibus bill, they don't need my vote because that's
going to be a uniparty bill and they're gonna be
They're gonna it's like a magician. They're going to tell you,
look at this hand, it's got reconciliation in it. Meanwhile,
they're going to do that omnibus bill with the other hand,
and you're not supposed to watch that. Pay no attention

(14:15):
to that man behind that curtain. Okay, so reconciliation, what
can we have done? Well, the first thing we should
do is undo all the crap the Democrats put in
their reconciliation bill. And this is where you're going to
find out which Republicans, although there won't be separate votes,
so you won't know which Republicans behind the scenes are
secretly trying to keep provisions of the Democrats so called

(14:38):
Inflation Reduction Act. We can get rid of all of
those provisions in our reconciliation bill. But I watch, mark
my word, they're not going to do it. Well.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Why won't we know who they are.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Because there won't be separate votes on it. This is
all man, this is all happening behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
I know we'll have no behind I guess my point
being behind the scenes. Some fill in the blank with
the negative reference comment Republican is saying no, no, no, no,
we can't do that.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Well.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Out that person. I mean, this is what I'm saying.
That's why shame them. Tell Donald Trump did this. I
want to use well FCC non compliant language when we're
referring to people like that. But that's where I say,
shame them. Bring them out into the light show the
American people. Who the people are that really aren't Republicans
and are looking forward to the financial collapse of the

(15:29):
United States of America.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Well, I gotta work with these guys, Brian, So behind
the scenes, here's what I'm trying to get in the
reconciliation package. Okay, I would love to get rid of
the Democrats reconciliation package, but I know most most of
that's not gonna get gone, not be gone, but put
some of They are going to put things like no

(15:52):
tax on tips, which was one of Trump's you know provisions,
it's actually my bill. Okay, so I'm all for it.
We'll put that in there, no tax on tips. There'll
be extending you know, the tax cuts that all American
families benefited from. If you pay taxes, that'll be in there.
But I think we should put other things in there. Now.

(16:12):
My wish list would include ending the Department of Education,
you know, if we're going to think, let's think big.
We should get things like the Prime Act. We should
get rid of daylight savings time and I don't care
whether you go to the hour before or the hour behind.
Get rid of changing the clocks twice a year. That's ridiculous,
and Trump wants to do that. You could put that

(16:34):
in reconciliation. But here's the big one that I'm working
on behind the scenes. This comes out of my committee,
the Judiciary Committee. I've been talking to Senator Mike Lee
about this. We all know it needs to get done.
It would fundamentally change the structure of government and it
would be stuck in there forever. For the good of
the American people, it would restore the way our government's

(16:54):
supposed to work, and that is get the Reins Act
in the Reconciliation package Rains Act for the new listeners.
He says that if the executive branch makes some kind
of rule that has a large economic impact on the country,
it has to come back to Congress and we have
to vote on it because we are the lawmaking body.

(17:15):
We are the authority according to the Constitution. But we've
let the executive branch run wild. Make all these rules.
The ATF. They're banning things, there's no constitutional basis for it.
But if we had this provision the Rains Act in there,
for instance, when they banned the shoulder stocks, you know stocks,

(17:36):
and all the other stuff they try to ban. They're
trying to change the definition of firearm receivers so they
can ban more stuff, regulate more stuff. That would have
to come back to Congress. All of those things. This
is stuff the EPA does that would have to come
back to Congress. When they try to declare CO two
a pollutant, then we vote is it a pollutant? And
people said, well, aren't you going to have more lobbyists

(17:57):
in Congress trying to get congressmen to to influence congressman.
Guess what, Brian, the lobbyist. Most of them have left Congress.
They're over the executive branch, lobbying bureaucrats who aren't accountable
to voters. Sure, bring those lobbyists back to Congress where
they're trying to lobby people who at least have to
stand in front of the American public every two years

(18:18):
and be up for election where they're accountable to the people.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
All right, Anyway, that brings out, makes perfect sense, It
sounds logical, reasonable. The accountability lands back in your life.
You have control over the regulatory expanding and overreaching regulatory branch.
It saves you five, six, eight, ten years worth of
fighting it in court to get to the Supreme Court.
Who will say the same thing that you're saying, basically,
are the Republicans who are against that?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, They're going to be people in Trump's administration who
will be against it. Now, I don't think Trump himself
would be against it because he understod he wants a legacy,
because it really does constrain the power of the executive
branch and puts more power in the legislative branch. On
the campaign trail, you know there were candidate Ron DeSantis

(19:09):
committed to the Rains Act, but I didn't hear President
Trump commit to the Rains Act, although I do think
he would be in favor of it because he and
some of his brighter staff would be in favor of it.
They're going to be people working for President Trump who
don't want the Rains Act because the regulations of the
executive in need of scrutiny. That's what RAIN stands for,

(19:31):
and it gives the it you know now, the president
could it doesn't take away his power to undo regulations
that have been put in place, in my opinion, or
maybe we need to make that explicit in the Rains
Act language that we're trying to get into reconciliation. But
I want people listening to your show right now to

(19:52):
know that behind the scenes, I'm trying to get some
big stuff in reconciliation, and one of those things is
the RAINS and I'm working with senators and other members
of Congress to do that, and it's a behind the
scenes battle.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Well, I wish you all the best on that one.
I will look forward to hearing from you in terms
of the progress you're making or not, as the case
may be. And bring me a list of names. I
want names. I want to be able to out these people.
I want to be able to embarrass them. I want
to help the American people get in touch with those
who are standing in the way of some sanity and
RANI in the entire regular story regulatory state, which is

(20:29):
basically liberty reducing. And that's the bottom line for me.
Congressman Thomas Massey always a distinct pleasure, keep fighting a
good fight and I'll look forward to hopefully some great
success during this administration.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Thank you, Brian. Well, we're gonna work hard. It's a
great opportunity and we better not blow it.

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