Gary Byrne - Former Secret Service Agent

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wishing you a very happy Friday.Well, we heard early in the
program from a former US military sniper, retired Colonel Bob Kattyre, a good
friend of the show and a manwho really he knows all about being a
sniper. And now we're going tohear about someone who actually has been there
and done that. In terms ofthe Secret Service, Gary Burns served in
federal law enforcement for nearly thirty yearsin the US Air Force Security Police,

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the Uniform Division of the Secret Service, and most recently as a Federal Air
Marshal. He written two books onthose subject matters, The One Crisis of
Character, a White House Secret Serviceofficer discloses his first hand experience with Hillary
and Bill and how they operate,followed by in twenty seventeen, I was
twenty sixteen his book, Secrets ofthe Secret Service, The History and Uncertain

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Future of the US Secret Service.Welcome to the fifty five Karrose Morning Show,
and thanks for your long service toour country. Gary Burns, pleasure
having you on today. Good morning, Thank you. Well, you've heard
the questions. I'm sure that you'vecome up with some answers yourself, or
have your own head scratching about lastSaturday. I mean to the lay person
like me, although I do haveknowledge and years of experience shooting both rifles

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and handguns, I look with inin dismay that the number of places where
this murderer would be assassin of DonaldTrump could have shot from. But even
where he did shoot from, itdoesn't look as if the Secret Service had
done a well advanced plan on this. What what have you done by way
of review on this? And whathave you determined? Where were the I

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mean, there were obvious failures atleast let's see if we agree upon that.
To start with, Gary, Yes, it was a complete train wreck.
I mean I give, I givea little bit of slop to the
actual detail the thing. Most ofthe things you saw take place when Trump
went down, and with the detailthe way they acted, you know,
most of that was exactly the whereit was supposed to be. The pre

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advanced the advanced work that was supposedto be done was not the Secret Service
director. This falls on her lapnow like not like a lot of other
people who are demanding that she resigned. I don't wanted to resign. I
wanted them to stay and tell thetruth once, tell the truth of what
happened. You know. One ofthe reasons I wrote the second book,

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Secrets to the Ciccret Service, wasto you know, let everybody know.
You know, ninety nine percent ofwhat people know about the Secret Service from
TVs and movies right. The SecretService in real life is a lot of
great people trying to do a reallyhard job, but it's got all the
problems of the Irs and the PostalService. It's this giant government entity with
layers and layers and layers of management. Even if he tried to hold somebody

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responsible for not giving them counter sniperA coverage until the day before, you
would be almost impossible to figure outwho it was. Well, what did
you I mean, I guess yougot to go back to the director.
Many people are calling for her tostep down, if for no other reason.
Then she offered as an explanation fornot having that roof taken care of,
that the slope was too steep.I mean, come on, now,

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they had snipers on roofs with steeperslopes than that. Our men and
women in uniform have to fight incombat with slopes step and now, I
mean seriously, this actually came outof her mouth, that she is the
director, and yet that was usedas a as an excuse that, to
me, was just an admission ofan epic fail. She had no answer
to the questions. Correct, Andthere's two things that she stated because of

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exactly who she is and it's thereal problem. That was one of them,
and the other one was what wasthe first thing she said about there
was the roofs event. She saidsomething about it'll come to me in a
minute. But anyway, we're gettingback to the ruslicit. The men owned

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town Sniper before they even get tothe point in their training. To find
out that they can't qualify with therifle, they have to do like two
weeks of pete climbing repelling these guys. You know, her statement just shows
you how completely disconnected she is fromwhat the people that she's supposed to be

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directing do. She had no cluewhatsoever, and it's an insult to them.
And again, I don't know whyshe would say that. When she
first said it, I thought itwas I thought I was. I just
didn't believe it right right, Well, and again I'm looking at it from
a la person's perspective. You actuallyserved with a secret service, so you
know that you have confirmed what seemsso obvious to a guy like me.

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It's it's absolutely amazing. Coupled withwhat we now have learned, there was
that open threat from the Iranians thatthey discovered there was probably an assassination plot
to kill former President Donald Trump,and they got that information prior to this
event, days prior anyway, andthat they supplemented the Secret Service agents because

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of that threat. So not onlyI mean that to me illustrates it even
greater failure. You've got a legitimateIranian threat, your supplement resulted in this,
Yeah, exactly. And again itgoes back to some of the things
I point out in the book.And you know, just for an example
for your audience, by the timeJohn Kennedy is assassinated in Dallas Cactus in

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nineteen sixty three, four other presidentsthat they had protected have been shot at
in open vehicles. Two of themwere open carriages drawn by horses. What's
their learning curve? Why the hellwill we're still doing open vehicle And then
you fast forward to Ronald Reagan whenRonald Reagan gets shot by John Henckley.
Just a few years before, JerryFord was shot at twice in uncontrolled crowds

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outside of buildings in a two weekperiod and a excuse me, fourteen day
period, shot at twice by womenwith handguns. And again, why were
they still doing it? Uncontrolled pressand uncontrolled crowds with Reagan, and you
know there, what they're very goodis is is person blame over to other
people and just ignoring it. Anotherthing I point out that by the time

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Reagan is there's an attention assassinates inReagan. When they reviewed the Secret Services
policies and they reviewed the Kennedy assassination, there were over twenty things that were
recommended by a panel of the SecretService and they still want to do in
some of them. And one ofthem was to control the press and you
could control the crowd. So thisis just another example of management and competence,

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management, confidence, complacency, laziness. Yeah, I guess across the
board, do me a favor beforewe part company again. It's fascinating conversation.
Gary Burn, a man in theknow on this area. Crisis,
A Character and Secrets of the SecretService. The two books that you can
get my blog page fifty five casydot com just address briefly the rumbling conspiracy

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theories that are out there because youknow, many people suggesting that somehow the
Secret Service or the dark forces insidegovernment had something to do with this,
Well they did. It demonstrates aneven more epic failure. I can't believe
that honestly myself. Gary, yougot any comments to address those rumblings out
there. Yeah. I used theKennedy assassination as an example sometime with the

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you know, there was another shooter, there was this, there was that
they purposely did this and did that. But the problem is is that most
of what people know about the SecretService comes from TVs and movies in and
you know, I'm not solely anybody. I'm just saying that's what reality is.
And so it's hard for people tosay, oh, they're incompetent,
they're the Secret Service. They're notcompetent. They make mistakes, they're human

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beings. We saw it right infront of us. You know, there
was some little mistakes made, butyou have to realize everybody was being shot
at and there's a shields adrenaline dump, which if you've never experienced that,
it really messes with your body instantly, and you know, your vision goes
down to a pinpoint, you're hearingshuts off for a second, and then

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you have to learn to work throughit. And so what we saw on
Saturday was the divine, in myopinion, is divine hand of God turning
and heard it the right second andtoo after that. Some of the things
that the agents did was textbooks.But the advanced, the Advance its lilcations

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with the local police. I meanthe guy called up on the building that
the local police were inside of.Yeah, they're a ladder to get up.
There was ter on the corner fromhis ladders. You know, nobody
subserved that area, and nobody seecame that building. And all that does
not fall back on the counter sniperdot that falls back on the advanced people.
And again they get true answers.Don't hold your breath. Oh so

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you don't think we're really gonna getto the bottom of this and the final
analysis carry absolutely not. Goo Googlewhat happened in nineteen ninety two when Congress
tried to help it reopen the DFKassassination to take a look at a couple
of things. They went to theSI Service and requested all the information on
the murdercade and the Advanced. Whenthe Secret Service said it's been destroyed,

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that was it. They destroyed it. Nobody was all accountable. They got
rid of all the logs, allthe information they got, serving to fuel
the conspiracy theories that continue to thisday. Gary Byrne. It has been
a distinct pleasure to have you hereon the program this morning. Thank you
for your service. Thanks for thebooks. They're outstanding books. And I'll
encourage my listeners to get copies ofCrisis of Character as well as Secrets of

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the Secret Service, which my producerslinked on my blog page fifty five care
see dot com. Gary, Thanksfor the thoughtful analysis this morning. Was
a real pleasure having you on theprogram. My pleasure to take care you
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