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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Our toll free number eight hundred at eight two three
eight two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson,
your personal yard boy. Talking about yarding. Is an exciting
day today on our show. I think every show is,
except we try to make this as exciting as possible.
But of course it's the day before Groundhog Day, and
this is always a lot of fun because well we
get to bring on our hobby meteorologist who does an
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absolutely wonderful job that means just time for weather. It's
the Weather starring the true seer of sears, the prognosticator
of prognosticate doors and weather predictor extraordinary, been doing it
since he was five. Cold and warm fronts fear him.
The Weather Channel idolizes the ladies and gentlemen are amateur
meteorologists and I SA board certified Master arvers, the one,
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the only Ron Rothness.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, such ominous, ominous music.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It's phrenomenous person even bother to show up.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I think we know someone's got the pronoxification already.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
No, no, oh, not at all.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Good morning, sir, Good morning, how are you.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm good? You know, before we get started on that,
I know you want the whole I've already told everybody
you want the entire time to explain yourself. I get it.
I'll be quiet. But I think I sent this to you.
The biochart thing with the D d T contaminated soil. Yes,
that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, I mean charcoal is used, well, charcoal is used
to absorb contaminants. They you know, in quite a few situations,
including medically right when when they're so I mean yeah,
I mean that's that's a well known sitting in biochart.
Can can can work the same way and soils that
their contaminants in there. So yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I thought I didn't think about this, but and this
was done in Sweden, but they have. I guess it's
an old tree farm where they're doing the research, and
they had used a lot of D d T and
I guess that stays in the soil basically forever or
pretty close to it, so they're not.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I don't know if it's forever, but it's it has
a very long long time in the soil. And and
that's why you know, years ago when that was used
fairly extensively, we saw the near extinction of the bald eagle,
amongst other things, which in fact interesting enough. By the way,
I left my shop for my business the other day
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and started up east minding of were road, and a
bald eagle was soaring overhead, so that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
That's pretty cool. You know, one of those come over
come to our nursery, that comes to our nursery every
now and then and we'll hang out in some of
the trees there for a day or two and then
the leaves. But we see it once or twice a year.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
There are a couple of bald eagles nests that are
visible right down the road from my shop. So they've
made a huge comeback. I mean, for a good part
of my life, bald eagle was something you went out
west to see. Maybe I certainly didn't see it in
my area, but it's made a comeback. So it's as
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a matter of fact, I believe they've taken it off
the danger species list. So yeah, good.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Stuff, excellent. All right, let's get down to uh today
an exciting day, the day before groundhog Day, and of
course this is the chance for you to pit yourself
against all these prognosticators and weather predictors. I obviously you
saw the grading of the groundhogs was kind of surprised me,
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although because punks of Tony Phil came in at about
thirty five percent, he's what like number seventeen on the
list of the top twenties. Uh Staten Island Chuck at
eighty five percent accuracy, which is pretty darn good. But
the thing of they also you have to give pucks
to Tony Field credit. He's been doing it since eighteen
eighty seven, so his record goes a lot further than
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all the rest of these groundhogs, So you know, gott
to give them a little bit of credit there. But
we were we think you should start, you know, keep
recording your predictions to see where you're because last year.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You were keeping track of that.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Shouldn't like yeah, because last year you were right on.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, maybe i'll maybe I'll make a blog article out
of that, and that way it will be set in
stone and we can go back and say, yes, the
arbor doctor was right or ha thiss that one.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well right now, I mean basically, because I do remember
last year's prediction, you would be at number one, because
you would be at one hundred percent sort of kind.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Of well, weather's never one hundred percent, and that's kind
of why I wanted to have some time to discuss
this this year because it does come with an explanation.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
All right, let's hear it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
The arbor doctor is not saying his shadow this morning.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You are not seeing your shadow. Correct, So you are
saying spring is right around the corner.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Okay, now now here, here's are people I hear? I
hear applause from the parking lot outside.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, fatly, Yeah, there it is. Yeah, Here's why I
wanted to explain it. We've actually, as you can see
by looking at your window, already seen a significant thaw.
I mean, we had probably in a large part of
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you know, the Ohio Valley, Tennessee Valley of Great Lakes,
the coldest January in nearly three decades, and of course,
you know historic snowstorm down along the Gulf coast. So
we had widespread, real winter, real old fashioned winter in
the eastern part of the country for the month of January.
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But toward the end of the month it kind of
kind of thought out, totally thought out. It was sixty
degrees at my place yesterday. And so we look into February,
which is you know, central too, Are we going to
have more winter or not? And I think you always
have to remember it's still winter, still meteorological winter. You
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could always you're going to get some variability. But the
over weather pattern going in February, and we've been saying
this really since last fall, that we were going to
have a real watch this year, but it was probably
going to break early and looks like, you know, basically
what is happening. So in February, it looks like the
generalized weather pattern is going to be above normal temperatures
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over the south in the east and below normal temperatures
from the northern Great Lakes into the northern Plains and
Pacific Northwest or of California. With that, there's going to
be a storm track that goes along the boundary between
the warm and the cold, which means it's going to
be an extremely active month with lots of precipitation. And
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there is a large snowpack over Canada with a lot
of cold air up there, and that's what's going to
be bleeding down into the northern plains. The fly in
the ointment in all this is that there are some
computer models showing a stratospheric warming event in a couple
of weeks, and if that happens, it could cause another
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polar vortex arctic outbreak to come down into the United States.
That is anything but a sure thing. It's just a chance.
Even if that would happen, we would probably have another
burst of cold that would last for about a week
or two, but it wouldn't be the month long cold
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that we had in January. And like I say, that
even is not a sure thing. There are just some
indications of that. So in general, we're going to have
a very active weather pattern. And of course you're a
nationwide run. We all know this. So depending on who's
listening to you, I think you have a station up
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in episode Northwest, one in the southwest United States, and whatnot.
So depending on where you are, I mean, if you're
in the Pacific Northwest, I think you're going to have
six more weeks of winter. Certainly in the northern Plains,
maybe the northern Great Lakes. But for the eastern United States,
the Ohio Valley, Tennessee Valley of the south, it's looking
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like we've gotten into a spring like pattern, which means
a lot of storm systems, a lot of variability. There
could be some shots of cold air that last a
day or two. If that polar vortex thing happens, we
could get a ten days shot of cold air, but
again that's a that's a up in the air type thing.
I think the big the big thing to be cognizant of,
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and we've been seeing this indications of this for a
long time. Is with a very active storm track with
a lot of warm air to the south and cold
air to the north. That sets us up for the
for a really active severe weather season going into the spring.
As early as possibly later this week, there's a chance
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of some severe weather in parts of the mid Mississippi
and Ohio.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
River valleys and things like that.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Severe thunderstorms, you know, tornadoes could be on the on
the plate for something like that, but it's kind of early.
That may not happen, but there are some indications that
there's at least a chance of that later this week,
and as we go further into February March, I think
we're going to be primed for a good chance of
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a lot of severe weather, especially in the Ohio Valley,
Tennessee Valley, in the Mississippi Valley. So it is looking
like an active severe weather season, a season with a
lot of precipitation, so you know, flooding may become a
concern at some point, but certainly a more active spring
like weather pattern than you know, a month long winter
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weather pattern with that caveat that if that polar vortex
you know, does happen, we could get a shot that
lasts a week or two of cold, wintry weather and
with a storm with a weather pattern like to the
northwest of that storm track, there will very likely be
some big snowstorms, snowstorms that would impact the Rocky Mountains,
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possibly the Northern Plains, the High Plains, into the Great Lakes,
and it could be as far southeast as Chicago, Iowa,
those areas. So I mean, there's going to be more winter.
You know, winter's not over, but it depends on what
part of the country you're in. So that's my forecast,
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no shadow.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And thus another good reason why fall is such a
great time for planting. The weather is typically more consistent. Yes, spring,
it's all over the board. You never know what's going
to happen. Well, you do know, because we have you
but you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
There is Interestingly, there is a secondary severe weather season
in the November late October November time period because we
are in that transitional area right with army are still
left in the south and colder air to the north.
So we have had some zero outbreaks in the fall,
and we all remember a few years ago in Mayfield, Kentucky,
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which had a devastating tornado. So it certainly can happen,
but severe weather season is much more pronounced in the spring,
and a lot of variability in the spring, and a
lot of that is because you do have the leftovers
of winter, the snowpack over the north, which you don't
have in the fall. You might have a little snow,
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but you don't have a big, established, widespread snowpack in
October to the north almost never, and you do have
a lot of warmth leftover warmth in the fall. But
in the spring, you know, we're already over a month
past the shortest day of the year. So the sun
angle right now is actually where it would be in
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say mid November, and by the end of February the
sun angle will be where it is in October. So
you have much higher sun angle to the south. That
means it warms up a lot every year. I mean,
it's just because of the higher sun angle, and yet you
have all that snow and snowpack that has to melt
off in Canada in the northern plains and whatnot, and
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so you have that reservoir of cold to the north
warming temperatures to the south, and that's what really sets
off the severe weather in the spring. And depending on
how the jet stream sets up, that's why some years
we have more severe weather than others. And it's just
looking like this year the jet stream is going to
be such that the chances of severe significant severe weather
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is going to be higher in the Mississippi and the
Ohio River Valley, Tennessee River Valley. So that's what it's
looking like.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That's and you got it from Ron Roth. This is
his website, harbordoctor dot com. Be sure and check it out.
We call him Chevy at Ron this time of the
year because he's going up against punks of Tony Phil
and Buckeye Chuck and all the rest. No shadow, says
Ron Chevy at Ron. That's the next six weeks, a
little bit warmer weather, a little bit of a fly
in the ointment possibly, but otherwise we could be seeing
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some pretty decent weather over the next six weeks. We'll
learn more about all this weather with Ron rothis after
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Speaker 1 (16:44):
Com talking yarding and weather with Ron rathas we call
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him Chevy at Ron on today because it's Chevy at
Ron in the big throwdown with punks of Tony Phil,
Buckeye Chuck and all the rest, and Chevy a Ron
is saying no shadow, no shadow. That means six weeks
of decent weather. Little fly possibly in the Ormand by
the way, if you open up the jar of ointment
and there is a fly in there, do you still
use it?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
If you want? It's good protein?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Uh? Okay, good protein from a fly?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Got that. You know what you call a fly without wings?
It a flop a walk.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
A walk.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
W a ok because it can't fly.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
By the way, if it woodchuck flop, that's kind of
the same thing, kind of.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
The same thing. If a woodchuck could chuck, would how
much wood would a woodchuck chuck? No idea seven hundred pounds.
Although they don't chuck wood, but if they could, they
guestimated they would chuck about seven hundred pounds. Just thought
you should know that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
That is fascinating information. I'll store that away in my.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
We've we've always got such great information. As a matter
of fact, the uh, you know what woodchuck. They call
it woodchuck, but it really doesn't chuck wood has nothing
to do. Sometimes you leave bark a little bit, but
really doesn't chuck wood or chew on wood or anything.
But it comes from a Native American word called wood
chuck woo chuck, which Ruffy transports into digger.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I did want to make one quick comment your former
on one of your collars.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I know you, I know you that ye yet about
a minute ago for.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
A maple for insecticide for bores in a maple tree,
I would be very skeptical of doing anything like that
without a diagnosis because a lot of times you can
get insects that bore into the heartwood of the tree,
into a wound area of the tree, and if you
if you put insecticide into the vascular system, it's going
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to have no effect on any secondary insects or in
that heartwood. So unless you know that there are bores
that are getting into the live portions of the tree.
I would not be doing an injection of an insexicide
because the injection itself is an injury to the tree.
So without a diagnosis, you don't want to do that.
The other thing is, if you do have bores getting
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into a tree, my my question would be why the
perfectly healthy tree is going to be resistant. So I
would be curious about the health of the tree if
it does have bors.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
That's the reason why at the beginning said you know,
you know, are you sure what kind of bore you
have in there? And also the fact that you want
to get a certified arborist out to take a look
at it. I don't take on projects like that might
even myself. I would call Ron rothis. Go to his
website is arbordoctor dot com. He says, no shadow, We'll
see what happens. Thanks Chevy, Ron, You're very welcome.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Hey you too again arbordoctor dot com. Coming up next. Oh,
I found a great book. It's called bird Friendly Gardening.
Jim McGinnis, she's gonna join us. Can't wait to talk
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Speaker 1 (22:43):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. And boy,
I'll tell you what. I have a book in my
hands right now that I couldn't wait to get and
to read because it was long overdue. And as soon
as I saw this book and the title, I said,
that's the first thing I emailed back and I said,
you know what. This book is long overdue, trust me.
It's called Bird Friendly Gardening Guidance and Projects for Supporting
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Birds in Your Landscape by Jen McGinnis. But before we
talk to Jim McGinnis about this absolutely wonderful book, I
want to talk to Jen McGinnis, who goes by fraw Zenny,
about her first book that she wrote. And she is
with us this morning.
Speaker 7 (23:18):
Good morning, Good morning, How are you today?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I'm good. Shall I say fraw Zenny? Should I say
missus Zenny or Jen?
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Sure, I'll go by either, but Jen is probably easier.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
All right, there you go. And by the way, the
fraws Zenny when I pulled that up and I went
fraw Zenny. Course, then you explain what that's all about,
and it's a pretty cute story behind that. But again,
if you the website's house standy, be sure and check
it out frawzenny dot com. And by the way, the
picture of you when you were younger with the tulip
bed or daffodil bed, and then today you look exactly
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the same.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
Oh thanks, I know luckily I seem to be aging well,
must be all that time out in the garden.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You know, you know that's what it's all about now
before we talk about it, and he did. When I
first saw the title of this book, before I even
got it, My comment back was, it's about time somebody
wrote a great book about bird friendly garden, because you know,
we've been building up this and we've talked about the bees,
and we talk about the native bees and the pollinator
plants and the native plants and how to in the
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monarch butterflies, and how to garden for all of these,
but we have not seriously addressed birds, who are also
facing a lot of issues out there. How do we
also incorporate them into our landscapes and our gardens and
things that we're doing, and you have nailed it with
this book, absolutely outstanding. But before we get to that,
your first book, which I did not know about until
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I got this book I absolutely love. It's called micro
food Gardening and it's another one. It's your two for two.
How'd you do that?
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Well?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
Thank you? Yeah, So I have limited space in my
garden that has full fun so I had to get
really creative about how I grew my edibles and that
was a major factor in micro food gardening. And you know,
luckily I have a driveway where I can put grow bangs,
I can put some raised beds. But growing up in
the city in New York, I knew a lot of people,
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you know, only have access to a balcony or a porch,
so I really wanted to incorporate them as well. And
we're lucky that a lot of plant breeders now are
making smaller, micro miniature varieties of edible plants like tomatoes
and cucumbers and peppers. So it's really opening the door
for people to be gardeners, even if they don't have
a lot of space.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, we have a large retail here that I work
for nursery and all in a retail outlet, and I
spent the last lot of part of December and early
January researching all the dwarf and micro vegetable plants that
are out there available today so we could put that
line and grow those for our customers for the spring. Excellent,
and it's amazing what is out there on the market
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today in miniature, these miniature micro plants that are high producers.
So it used to be you get that little bitty
tomato and it would gt one little round of tomatoes
and then you were done. And now they're you know,
they continue to produce through the summer and just absolutely phenomenal.
But you're right, you know this of course, you know gardening,
growing your own food container gardening, and now with the
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smaller spaces and the smaller condos and the patios and
all doing it this And that's why I said, well,
when I saw that book, I went, oh, yeah, this
is absolutely outstanding. So you are two for two and
I loved it. You talk about I think it's your
grandfather who always found creative ways to grow things in containers.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
He did.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
Yeah, he he really made the best use of his
space and he was bordered like on the property. His
His yard was right up against the Long Island rowlroad tracks,
so he was like, you know, oh, I can grow
some pumpkins right along the edge, or I'll have some
tomatoes right above that. So he really got creative. He
grew his own crape so he could make his own wine.
He had his trees for Sarah cherries for also for wine.
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He did like the wine, but that's okay, yes, yeah,
And you know, I just I remember going out and
picking raspberries with him, and he just did so much
with such a small space, and he really got me
excited and into gardening.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
That's pretty cool that you've got those memories because I've
been doing the radio shows for quite some time and
used to have folks that would call in and say, well,
my grandfather used to do this or my dad used
to do that and taught me this, and that kind
of has disappeared, you know, we haven't. We're not passing
that information along from generation to generation. So when I
read that about your grandfather, and I think your parents
involved as well, I love reading about that, you know,
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knowing that they passed that along and created that interest
in you as well as a as a young girl
talking with Jen McGinnis Frau Zenny and that's her website
is Frawzenny dot com. And you got to tell everybody
why it's Frau Zenny.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
Sure. So right back to my grandfather. He's from Germany,
and I wanted to do a fun play on words like,
oh you know what would stick out, it would be different.
So I translated, roughly translated what missus zennia would be
in German. And that's where frow Zenni came from. Because
zinnias are like my favorite flower. And I know, like
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you know, I have favorite plants that come and go,
but the zinnia is like always one of those that
just is a constant.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, and there's so many new great varieties of zennia
is out there too, and all the colors and all
it's just they're phenomenal and great for pollinators and others
as well. So talking with the Jen McGinnis and of
course the first book is micro Food Gardening and you
got to check it out. It's absolutely wonderful. But now
she's just released and this is hot off the press.
By the way, her second book, which is absolutely outstanding,
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called Bird Friendly Gardening Guidance and Projects for supporting birds
in your landscape. So how did you go from micro
gardening books and gardening to bird friendly gardening.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
Sure, well, I've always admired birds, and back to when
I was a child, we would put a bird fear up,
you know, every winter, and I'd always see the cardinals
come and I was just enamored with how flashy they
were and how beautiful they were. And you know, we
have like the other birds that came to like the
starlings aspara is, the blue jays, but the cardinals really
caught my eye and I found that, you know, I
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started going to the library and taking out books on
birds and trying to learn more about them. So that
always was there, that interest, but it took a long
time of becoming a gardener, having my own property and
starting to see the connection between oh, I planted this
native plant, and now these birds are lingering and they're
hanging out, and I don't need a bird feeder. So
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it was that evolution of you know, while I'm outside
planting the edibles and the pollinator friendly plants, and then
you know, adding in some native plants just for the
good of the garden. And I started seeing that connection
and I was like, hey, I can bring in even
more birds and see them even more often if I
keep adding a multiple variety of native plants. So it's
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an evolution and I'm so happy that my front garden
is now a habitat for them. So you know, I'm
supporting the native bees and supporting the birds and the butterflies.
And it's just so rewarding it is.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
And you know, what's what's interesting. And we get a
lot of our our gardening trends that all come from Europe, obviously,
and they do things that are way ahead of us,
and and all of a sudden you read about them
and they say, you know, ten years ago whatever. Ten
years ago, I read this thing about bringing wildlife that
was going to be the new trend that's happening in
Europe and it's gonna you're gonna see it more and
more in the United States, bringing wildlife into the gardens.
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And I dumb me, this is dumb meat for the belt.
The light went on. I'm thinking, who's going to want
to drink? Bring squirrels and groundhogs the deer into their
guard And that's kind of silly. Why would you bring
the wildlife? Well, like I said, dumb meat, I wasn't
thinking clearly here, and we're talking more about the pollinators
and the hummingbirds and the bats and the birds and
(30:45):
all of those. And sure enough, guess what's happening. That's
that is now the trend, as you're saying here is
you know, and I call it dinner and a show because.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
You know, yes, that's perfect.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, you put it. You put that out there and
you just sit back and watch the entertainment and it's phenomenal.
And of course you created this ecosystem with the insects
and the pollinators and the birds and all, and like
you said, you know it, just do it a little
bit at the time, and it does work, There's no
doubt about it. I think the one thing that I
liked at the very beginning is you said, you know,
(31:19):
when you start thinking about doing this, think about the
one bird that really picked your interest when you were
bird watching or watching the bird feeder. And like you said,
the cardinal was your first one.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
First.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
You know what bird I thought of first? Of all
two birds that I thought as I grew up. One
we lived in the country on a farm, crows always
interested me big time. I thought crows were. And obviously,
you know, you don't see crows around the bird feeders,
but I always thought crow. But the other one it
was red winged blackbirds. And you never see those two
much either.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Oh yeah, and they are so cool with the way
they do their calls. And they travel through here in
the springtime. That's how we know, like you know, it's
finally getting closer to warmer weather they fly through. That's
true for you too.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, and they've got that distinctive call you you know
when a red wing blackbird's and you know, somewhere out
there because you can hear what they're saying and what
they're you know, that distinctive call. But I kind of
laughed and said, well, geez, I think of a you know,
I like cardinals and blue jays and all that, but
I thought of crows and red wing blackbirds.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
But anyway, that's awesome, and crows are so intelligent. Oh
my god, totally be fine. If a whole flock showed
up and befriended me. I think I'd be like, Okay,
let's let's hang out, let's do this. We can trade presents,
and yeah, I'd be all about it.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, my dad, my dad could call him and he
taught me how to do that, and I still can
do it. I still got still have that. I can
do it every now and then. But yeah, they're very interesting.
Bird talking with Jim McGinnis. She has an absolutely outstanding
new book hot off the press called Bird Friendly Gardening. Uh,
we're going to take a break. We come back, we'll
talk about some of the things that she talks about,
(32:55):
the basic needs, how to walk you through. I'm telling
you what this book, she did all the homework for you.
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Speaker 1 (35:04):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Our
special guest this morning. Frowz Aennie Jen McGinnis and she
goes by fraw Zenny. That's her website frowzenny dot com.
Be sure and check it out. Great website, all kinds
of great information. You'll love it and you can learn
more about her and all her latest book. Their first
book was micro Food Gardening, which is absolutely outstanding. Her
(35:25):
second book, which is brand new bird Friendly Gardening. And
I'll tell you what, this was way overdue, and I'm
glad that you wrote this. You have gotten it. You know,
you go into depth with this, but it's an easy read.
It's you know, it's it's it is an easy read.
But yet you've got so much information here it's crazy.
I like the fact that you start out by really
(35:45):
highlighting the fact that we kind of overlooked this sometimes
about the importance of water in our landscapes for the birds.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Yes, and clean water is so important too, So a
lot of individuals will put out a bird bath, you know,
in the warmer mind, but it's so important in the
winter as well, when a lot of those native water
sources have frozen up. So if you can have a
heated bird bath in your garden, that will provide that,
you know, fresh water that the birds are looking for
(36:13):
and that they need. And then of course keeping the
water sources clean is so important as well, just so
you know. Obviously, like if you had a place to
wash and you didn't, you wouldn't want to use munky water, right,
So the same thing goes through the birds, so keeping
them clean that helps prevent disease. That helps, you know,
just keep everything fresh and going. And you can clean
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those bird baths with like one part bleach to ten
parts water, or if you don't want to play around
with the bleach, you could do one part five percent
household vinegar to nine parts water. You know, clean it
every couple of days, give it a good scrub, rinse
it really well, and keep that keep that clean for
them and they'll be really appreciative.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
And that's just one of the millions of things you're
going to learn when you read this book. And you
know what's interesting. You start us out pretty you talk
about some of the basic birds that we'll see out there,
and what exactly they eat. You've got a key there
and you get the symbols underneath, which makes it really simple.
You start going through going. I didn't know they eat
that all. They do that too as well, And then
I did not know about the four main travel routes,
(37:15):
which I thought was very interesting. When they migrate.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
Yeah, yeah, and that's really cool too, because you know,
we hear about those migration periods in the spring and
the fall, right like you're not your lights tonight to
help the birds get there safely. But we have four
main flyways in the United States, and that's the Pacific
Flyway which is along the western coast, the Central Flyway,
and that's you know, we're moving across the country now
(37:41):
going left to right. And then you have the Mississippi
Flyway and that follows you know, the Mississippi River as
they go south, and then the Atlantic Flyway which is
along the eastern coast. And then certain birds will actually
travel only along those those coastlines or you know those flyways,
like out in the west and the Pacific one, you'll
(38:02):
have the roof of hummingbird, you'll have the Western tanager.
And then over here, like you know, in let's say
Mississippi Flyway, you get a lot of the warblers and
the yellow bill cuckoo if you're lucky to see that.
So you have a chance to get outside in the fall,
in the spring and possibly see some of these beautiful
(38:23):
birds just traveling through the area trying to get to
their winter destination or summer destination.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Jim McGinnis is with us this morning. Her new book.
It's called Bird Friendly Gardening and is absolutely outstanding. You
got to check it out. It really walks you through
all the things you can do. I think one of
the good points you put in here too about you know,
after you read through this and you see all the
things that we can do, is that you know, you
don't have to just jump into this whole hog. You
can start by just replacing a plant here and a
plant there. And in many cases you start reading through
(38:51):
what you suggest we do. Some of us may be
doing a lot of that in our gardening the way
it is.
Speaker 7 (38:57):
Yeah, that's right. And so a lot of people think like, oh,
native garden, like that's kind of wild looking. I don't
want to do that, but you know you can incorporate
like a native shrub like a spiceberry or winterberry both
produce these beautiful red berries in the fall into the
winter and it you know, they stick around as long
as the birds allow them to. But that's part of
(39:18):
the fun, right, you're extracting those birds to come in.
So it's not like you have to rip everything out.
You know, if you have a whole garden full of hydrangeas,
you don't have to say goodbye to everything. You just
got to incorporate some of those native plants in and
intersperse them. Or if you have a giant lawn, which
is you know, very common across the United States, carve
out a little piece, you know, it could be in
the on the side, in the middle and make that
(39:40):
like a little spot for the birds that you know,
offer the food and the cover and the nesting material
that they can use to you know, nest and become
more frequent visitors in your garden.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Frow Zenny is with us this morning. She is Jim McGinnis.
The book is called Bird Friendly Gardening. You will absolutely
love it as you read through this. Now you ever
get folks that you're talking about creating these these gardens,
and of course a lot of folks doing the pollinator
gardens and inviting the beneficial insects in and the pollinators
in and all a little controversy there about why would
(40:12):
I want birds to be in my garden if they
feed on some of my insects that I have in
my garden.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Right, So, you know, there is a little bit of
a give and take there. There's certain insects that the
birds are really gonna, you know, leave alone, like the
monarch butterfly, caterpillar. The way they're designed, the way they're colored.
You know, that's a big warning to the birds, like,
do not eat me. I am disgusting. You will not
like me. So most of the birds stay away from them.
I have seen, like, you know, a saucy cap bird
(40:40):
go after a monarch butterfly and that wasn't nice. But
for the most part, the birds keep away from like
those flashy butterflies. But yeah, you do have a little
bit of a given take there. They do primarily feed
on insects to feed they're young. But the you know,
if you have enough plants to go around, increasing your
(41:00):
odds of you know, being able to raise those butterflies
successfully and also have the birds come and feed at
the same time. And it's not just you know, one
particular insect. They'll go after lots of insects.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
Like ants and spiders and you know, beetles, so it's
not like one target. So when you garden organically and
include those native plants, you're opening up your garden to
host all.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
Of those insects. So you're giving like a buffet option,
not just a single.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
One, a little buffet out there, gen says Jen McGinnis
is with us this morning. Her first book is micro
Food gardening. Check that out. It is really good. Her
second when she's two for two. Here, by the way,
bird friendly Gardening absolutely outstanding. Walks you through everything you
could ever want to know about bird friendly gardening. You
the picture in your condo friendly plantings, with that planter,
with those bins in that plant It looks like some
(41:54):
people like shift change those out. What a great idea.
I mean, I made it. I made a copy that
handed to a couple of my friends. So check this out.
I mean, it's pretty cool because you just pick those
bins out of there and switch out whatever you're going
to be growing in them. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
And the same thing goes for like a window box too,
Like if you you know, want to to change those
after a year, you can get a liner and pop
out on them, putting in your window box too. So yeah,
once you start trying to figure out the best ways
to maximize your space, it gets pretty creative.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, I mean, and and again you'll find a lot
of these great ideas. Thus the title Guidance and Projects
for Supporting Birds in your landscape or your condo or
your patty or whatever it may be. That's what you'll
find in this book called bird Friendly Guarding by Jen McGinnis.
And she walked you. You know, you walk us through
small space projects, medium large space, depending on the zone
(42:45):
you're in, the types of birds you want to go after,
you walk us through the whole thing. You even talk
about creating an owl friendly habitat. Unbelievable. I've never even
seen that before. It's great. We're running out of time.
I got so many questions for you. I can't, I can't.
Great book is called Bird Friendly Gardening by Jen McGinnis.
Check out our website frowzeni dot com learn more about it.
(43:07):
Well done, Jen McGinnis, Thank you so much. All right,
take care Bird Friendly Gardening, Jen McGinnis. And of course
the other book is micro Food Gardening. And I'll give
you a hint. I went to Amazon when I ordered
this book. Uh, you can buy the two of them together.
They have a combo deal as well, and get both
of them. You will absolutely love them. Great, great job.
(43:28):
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Our toll free number eight hundred at eight two three
eight two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson,
your personal yard boy. Talking about yarding. Is an exciting
day today on our show. I think every show is,
except we try to make this as exciting as possible.
But of course it's the day before Groundhog Day, and
this is always a lot of fun because well we
get to bring on our hobby meteorologist who does an
(00:57):
absolutely wonderful job that means just time for weather. It's
the Weather starring the true seer of sears, the prognosticator
of prognosticate doors and weather predictor extraordinary, been doing it
since he was five. Cold and warm fronts fear him.
The Weather Channel idolizes the ladies and gentlemen are amateur
meteorologists and I SA board certified Master arvers, the one,
(01:18):
the only Ron Rothness.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, such ominous, ominous music.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It's phrenomenous person even bother to show up.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I think we know someone's got the pronoxification already.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
No, no, oh, not at all.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Good morning, sir, Good morning, how are you.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm good? You know, before we get started on that,
I know you want the whole I've already told everybody
you want the entire time to explain yourself. I get it.
I'll be quiet. But I think I sent this to you.
The biochart thing with the D d T contaminated soil. Yes,
that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, I mean charcoal is used, well, charcoal is used
to absorb contaminants. They you know, in quite a few situations,
including medically right when when they're so I mean yeah,
I mean that's that's a well known sitting in biochart.
Can can can work the same way and soils that
their contaminants in there. So yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I thought I didn't think about this, but and this
was done in Sweden, but they have. I guess it's
an old tree farm where they're doing the research, and
they had used a lot of D d T and
I guess that stays in the soil basically forever or
pretty close to it, so they're not.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I don't know if it's forever, but it's it has
a very long long time in the soil. And and
that's why you know, years ago when that was used
fairly extensively, we saw the near extinction of the bald eagle,
amongst other things, which in fact interesting enough. By the way,
I left my shop for my business the other day
(03:06):
and started up east minding of were road, and a
bald eagle was soaring overhead, so that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
That's pretty cool. You know, one of those come over
come to our nursery, that comes to our nursery every
now and then and we'll hang out in some of
the trees there for a day or two and then
the leaves. But we see it once or twice a year.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
There are a couple of bald eagles nests that are
visible right down the road from my shop. So they've
made a huge comeback. I mean, for a good part
of my life, bald eagle was something you went out
west to see. Maybe I certainly didn't see it in
my area, but it's made a comeback. So it's as
(03:45):
a matter of fact, I believe they've taken it off
the danger species list. So yeah, good.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Stuff, excellent. All right, let's get down to uh today
an exciting day, the day before groundhog Day, and of
course this is the chance for you to pit yourself
against all these prognosticators and weather predictors. I obviously you
saw the grading of the groundhogs was kind of surprised me,
(04:13):
although because punks of Tony Phil came in at about
thirty five percent, he's what like number seventeen on the
list of the top twenties. Uh Staten Island Chuck at
eighty five percent accuracy, which is pretty darn good. But
the thing of they also you have to give pucks
to Tony Field credit. He's been doing it since eighteen
eighty seven, so his record goes a lot further than
(04:34):
all the rest of these groundhogs, So you know, gott
to give them a little bit of credit there. But
we were we think you should start, you know, keep
recording your predictions to see where you're because last year.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You were keeping track of that.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Shouldn't like yeah, because last year you were right on.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, maybe i'll maybe I'll make a blog article out
of that, and that way it will be set in
stone and we can go back and say, yes, the
arbor doctor was right or ha thiss that one.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well right now, I mean basically, because I do remember
last year's prediction, you would be at number one, because
you would be at one hundred percent sort of kind.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Of well, weather's never one hundred percent, and that's kind
of why I wanted to have some time to discuss
this this year because it does come with an explanation.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
All right, let's hear it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
The arbor doctor is not saying his shadow this morning.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You are not seeing your shadow. Correct, So you are
saying spring is right around the corner.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Okay, now now here, here's are people I hear? I
hear applause from the parking lot outside.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, fatly, Yeah, there it is. Yeah, Here's why I
wanted to explain it. We've actually, as you can see
by looking at your window, already seen a significant thaw.
I mean, we had probably in a large part of
(06:13):
you know, the Ohio Valley, Tennessee Valley of Great Lakes,
the coldest January in nearly three decades, and of course,
you know historic snowstorm down along the Gulf coast. So
we had widespread, real winter, real old fashioned winter in
the eastern part of the country for the month of January.
(06:37):
But toward the end of the month it kind of
kind of thought out, totally thought out. It was sixty
degrees at my place yesterday. And so we look into February,
which is you know, central too, Are we going to
have more winter or not? And I think you always
have to remember it's still winter, still meteorological winter. You
(06:57):
could always you're going to get some variability. But the
over weather pattern going in February, and we've been saying
this really since last fall, that we were going to
have a real watch this year, but it was probably
going to break early and looks like, you know, basically
what is happening. So in February, it looks like the
generalized weather pattern is going to be above normal temperatures
(07:20):
over the south in the east and below normal temperatures
from the northern Great Lakes into the northern Plains and
Pacific Northwest or of California. With that, there's going to
be a storm track that goes along the boundary between
the warm and the cold, which means it's going to
be an extremely active month with lots of precipitation. And
(07:44):
there is a large snowpack over Canada with a lot
of cold air up there, and that's what's going to
be bleeding down into the northern plains. The fly in
the ointment in all this is that there are some
computer models showing a stratospheric warming event in a couple
of weeks, and if that happens, it could cause another
(08:05):
polar vortex arctic outbreak to come down into the United States.
That is anything but a sure thing. It's just a chance.
Even if that would happen, we would probably have another
burst of cold that would last for about a week
or two, but it wouldn't be the month long cold
(08:27):
that we had in January. And like I say, that
even is not a sure thing. There are just some
indications of that. So in general, we're going to have
a very active weather pattern. And of course you're a
nationwide run. We all know this. So depending on who's
listening to you, I think you have a station up
(08:47):
in episode Northwest, one in the southwest United States, and whatnot.
So depending on where you are, I mean, if you're
in the Pacific Northwest, I think you're going to have
six more weeks of winter. Certainly in the northern Plains,
maybe the northern Great Lakes. But for the eastern United States,
the Ohio Valley, Tennessee Valley of the south, it's looking
(09:09):
like we've gotten into a spring like pattern, which means
a lot of storm systems, a lot of variability. There
could be some shots of cold air that last a
day or two. If that polar vortex thing happens, we
could get a ten days shot of cold air, but
again that's a that's a up in the air type thing.
I think the big the big thing to be cognizant of,
(09:29):
and we've been seeing this indications of this for a
long time. Is with a very active storm track with
a lot of warm air to the south and cold
air to the north. That sets us up for the
for a really active severe weather season going into the spring.
As early as possibly later this week, there's a chance
(09:51):
of some severe weather in parts of the mid Mississippi
and Ohio.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
River valleys and things like that.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Severe thunderstorms, you know, tornadoes could be on the on
the plate for something like that, but it's kind of early.
That may not happen, but there are some indications that
there's at least a chance of that later this week,
and as we go further into February March, I think
we're going to be primed for a good chance of
(10:22):
a lot of severe weather, especially in the Ohio Valley,
Tennessee Valley, in the Mississippi Valley. So it is looking
like an active severe weather season, a season with a
lot of precipitation, so you know, flooding may become a
concern at some point, but certainly a more active spring
like weather pattern than you know, a month long winter
(10:46):
weather pattern with that caveat that if that polar vortex
you know, does happen, we could get a shot that
lasts a week or two of cold, wintry weather and
with a storm with a weather pattern like to the
northwest of that storm track, there will very likely be
some big snowstorms, snowstorms that would impact the Rocky Mountains,
(11:09):
possibly the Northern Plains, the High Plains, into the Great Lakes,
and it could be as far southeast as Chicago, Iowa,
those areas. So I mean, there's going to be more winter.
You know, winter's not over, but it depends on what
part of the country you're in. So that's my forecast,
(11:31):
no shadow.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And thus another good reason why fall is such a
great time for planting. The weather is typically more consistent. Yes, spring,
it's all over the board. You never know what's going
to happen. Well, you do know, because we have you
but you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
There is Interestingly, there is a secondary severe weather season
in the November late October November time period because we
are in that transitional area right with army are still
left in the south and colder air to the north.
So we have had some zero outbreaks in the fall,
and we all remember a few years ago in Mayfield, Kentucky,
(12:10):
which had a devastating tornado. So it certainly can happen,
but severe weather season is much more pronounced in the spring,
and a lot of variability in the spring, and a
lot of that is because you do have the leftovers
of winter, the snowpack over the north, which you don't
have in the fall. You might have a little snow,
(12:30):
but you don't have a big, established, widespread snowpack in
October to the north almost never, and you do have
a lot of warmth leftover warmth in the fall. But
in the spring, you know, we're already over a month
past the shortest day of the year. So the sun
angle right now is actually where it would be in
(12:54):
say mid November, and by the end of February the
sun angle will be where it is in October. So
you have much higher sun angle to the south. That
means it warms up a lot every year. I mean,
it's just because of the higher sun angle, and yet you
have all that snow and snowpack that has to melt
off in Canada in the northern plains and whatnot, and
(13:17):
so you have that reservoir of cold to the north
warming temperatures to the south, and that's what really sets
off the severe weather in the spring. And depending on
how the jet stream sets up, that's why some years
we have more severe weather than others. And it's just
looking like this year the jet stream is going to
be such that the chances of severe significant severe weather
(13:41):
is going to be higher in the Mississippi and the
Ohio River Valley, Tennessee River Valley. So that's what it's
looking like.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That's and you got it from Ron Roth. This is
his website, harbordoctor dot com. Be sure and check it out.
We call him Chevy at Ron this time of the
year because he's going up against punks of Tony Phil
and Buckeye Chuck and all the rest. No shadow, says
Ron Chevy at Ron. That's the next six weeks, a
little bit warmer weather, a little bit of a fly
in the ointment possibly, but otherwise we could be seeing
(14:11):
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Com talking yarding and weather with Ron rathas we call
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Buckeye Chuck and all the rest, and Chevy a Ron
is saying no shadow, no shadow. That means six weeks
of decent weather. Little fly possibly in the Ormand by
the way, if you open up the jar of ointment
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If you want? It's good protein?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Uh? Okay, good protein from a fly?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Got that. You know what you call a fly without wings?
It a flop a walk.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
A walk.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
W a ok because it can't fly.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
By the way, if it woodchuck flop, that's kind of
the same thing, kind of.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
The same thing. If a woodchuck could chuck, would how
much wood would a woodchuck chuck? No idea seven hundred pounds.
Although they don't chuck wood, but if they could, they
guestimated they would chuck about seven hundred pounds. Just thought
you should know that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
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Speaker 1 (18:37):
We've we've always got such great information. As a matter
of fact, the uh, you know what woodchuck. They call
it woodchuck, but it really doesn't chuck wood has nothing
to do. Sometimes you leave bark a little bit, but
really doesn't chuck wood or chew on wood or anything.
But it comes from a Native American word called wood
chuck woo chuck, which Ruffy transports into digger.
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on one of your collars.
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a minute ago for.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
A maple for insecticide for bores in a maple tree,
I would be very skeptical of doing anything like that
without a diagnosis because a lot of times you can
get insects that bore into the heartwood of the tree,
into a wound area of the tree, and if you
if you put insecticide into the vascular system, it's going
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to have no effect on any secondary insects or in
that heartwood. So unless you know that there are bores
that are getting into the live portions of the tree.
I would not be doing an injection of an insexicide
because the injection itself is an injury to the tree.
So without a diagnosis, you don't want to do that.
The other thing is, if you do have bores getting
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into a tree, my my question would be why the
perfectly healthy tree is going to be resistant. So I
would be curious about the health of the tree if
it does have bors.
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Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
That's the reason why at the beginning said you know,
you know, are you sure what kind of bore you
have in there? And also the fact that you want
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even myself. I would call Ron rothis. Go to his
website is arbordoctor dot com. He says, no shadow, We'll
see what happens. Thanks Chevy, Ron, You're very welcome.
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Have a great day.
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Hey you too again arbordoctor dot com. Coming up next. Oh,
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Speaker 1 (22:43):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. And boy,
I'll tell you what. I have a book in my
hands right now that I couldn't wait to get and
to read because it was long overdue. And as soon
as I saw this book and the title, I said,
that's the first thing I emailed back and I said,
you know what. This book is long overdue, trust me.
It's called Bird Friendly Gardening Guidance and Projects for Supporting
(23:04):
Birds in Your Landscape by Jen McGinnis. But before we
talk to Jim McGinnis about this absolutely wonderful book, I
want to talk to Jen McGinnis, who goes by fraw Zenny,
about her first book that she wrote. And she is
with us this morning.
Speaker 7 (23:18):
Good morning, Good morning, How are you today?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I'm good. Shall I say fraw Zenny? Should I say
missus Zenny or Jen?
Speaker 7 (23:25):
Sure, I'll go by either, but Jen is probably easier.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
All right, there you go. And by the way, the
fraws Zenny when I pulled that up and I went
fraw Zenny. Course, then you explain what that's all about,
and it's a pretty cute story behind that. But again,
if you the website's house standy, be sure and check
it out frawzenny dot com. And by the way, the
picture of you when you were younger with the tulip
bed or daffodil bed, and then today you look exactly
(23:49):
the same.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
Oh thanks, I know luckily I seem to be aging well,
must be all that time out in the garden.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You know, you know that's what it's all about now
before we talk about it, and he did. When I
first saw the title of this book, before I even
got it, My comment back was, it's about time somebody
wrote a great book about bird friendly garden, because you know,
we've been building up this and we've talked about the bees,
and we talk about the native bees and the pollinator
plants and the native plants and how to in the
(24:16):
monarch butterflies, and how to garden for all of these,
but we have not seriously addressed birds, who are also
facing a lot of issues out there. How do we
also incorporate them into our landscapes and our gardens and
things that we're doing, and you have nailed it with
this book, absolutely outstanding. But before we get to that,
your first book, which I did not know about until
(24:37):
I got this book I absolutely love. It's called micro
food Gardening and it's another one. It's your two for two.
How'd you do that?
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Well?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
Thank you? Yeah, So I have limited space in my
garden that has full fun so I had to get
really creative about how I grew my edibles and that
was a major factor in micro food gardening. And you know,
luckily I have a driveway where I can put grow bangs,
I can put some raised beds. But growing up in
the city in New York, I knew a lot of people,
(25:11):
you know, only have access to a balcony or a porch,
so I really wanted to incorporate them as well. And
we're lucky that a lot of plant breeders now are
making smaller, micro miniature varieties of edible plants like tomatoes
and cucumbers and peppers. So it's really opening the door
for people to be gardeners, even if they don't have
a lot of space.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, we have a large retail here that I work
for nursery and all in a retail outlet, and I
spent the last lot of part of December and early
January researching all the dwarf and micro vegetable plants that
are out there available today so we could put that
line and grow those for our customers for the spring. Excellent,
and it's amazing what is out there on the market
(25:52):
today in miniature, these miniature micro plants that are high producers.
So it used to be you get that little bitty
tomato and it would gt one little round of tomatoes
and then you were done. And now they're you know,
they continue to produce through the summer and just absolutely phenomenal.
But you're right, you know this of course, you know gardening,
growing your own food container gardening, and now with the
(26:13):
smaller spaces and the smaller condos and the patios and
all doing it this And that's why I said, well,
when I saw that book, I went, oh, yeah, this
is absolutely outstanding. So you are two for two and
I loved it. You talk about I think it's your
grandfather who always found creative ways to grow things in containers.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
He did.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
Yeah, he he really made the best use of his
space and he was bordered like on the property. His
His yard was right up against the Long Island rowlroad tracks,
so he was like, you know, oh, I can grow
some pumpkins right along the edge, or I'll have some
tomatoes right above that. So he really got creative. He
grew his own crape so he could make his own wine.
He had his trees for Sarah cherries for also for wine.
(26:55):
He did like the wine, but that's okay, yes, yeah,
And you know, I just I remember going out and
picking raspberries with him, and he just did so much
with such a small space, and he really got me
excited and into gardening.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
That's pretty cool that you've got those memories because I've
been doing the radio shows for quite some time and
used to have folks that would call in and say, well,
my grandfather used to do this or my dad used
to do that and taught me this, and that kind
of has disappeared, you know, we haven't. We're not passing
that information along from generation to generation. So when I
read that about your grandfather, and I think your parents
involved as well, I love reading about that, you know,
(27:30):
knowing that they passed that along and created that interest
in you as well as a as a young girl
talking with Jen McGinnis Frau Zenny and that's her website
is Frawzenny dot com. And you got to tell everybody
why it's Frau Zenny.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
Sure. So right back to my grandfather. He's from Germany,
and I wanted to do a fun play on words like,
oh you know what would stick out, it would be different.
So I translated, roughly translated what missus zennia would be
in German. And that's where frow Zenni came from. Because
zinnias are like my favorite flower. And I know, like
(28:06):
you know, I have favorite plants that come and go,
but the zinnia is like always one of those that
just is a constant.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, and there's so many new great varieties of zennia
is out there too, and all the colors and all
it's just they're phenomenal and great for pollinators and others
as well. So talking with the Jen McGinnis and of
course the first book is micro Food Gardening and you
got to check it out. It's absolutely wonderful. But now
she's just released and this is hot off the press.
By the way, her second book, which is absolutely outstanding,
(28:34):
called Bird Friendly Gardening Guidance and Projects for supporting birds
in your landscape. So how did you go from micro
gardening books and gardening to bird friendly gardening.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
Sure, well, I've always admired birds, and back to when
I was a child, we would put a bird fear up,
you know, every winter, and I'd always see the cardinals
come and I was just enamored with how flashy they
were and how beautiful they were. And you know, we
have like the other birds that came to like the
starlings aspara is, the blue jays, but the cardinals really
caught my eye and I found that, you know, I
(29:06):
started going to the library and taking out books on
birds and trying to learn more about them. So that
always was there, that interest, but it took a long
time of becoming a gardener, having my own property and
starting to see the connection between oh, I planted this
native plant, and now these birds are lingering and they're
hanging out, and I don't need a bird feeder. So
(29:28):
it was that evolution of you know, while I'm outside
planting the edibles and the pollinator friendly plants, and then
you know, adding in some native plants just for the
good of the garden. And I started seeing that connection
and I was like, hey, I can bring in even
more birds and see them even more often if I
keep adding a multiple variety of native plants. So it's
(29:50):
an evolution and I'm so happy that my front garden
is now a habitat for them. So you know, I'm
supporting the native bees and supporting the birds and the butterflies.
And it's just so rewarding it is.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
And you know, what's what's interesting. And we get a
lot of our our gardening trends that all come from Europe, obviously,
and they do things that are way ahead of us,
and and all of a sudden you read about them
and they say, you know, ten years ago whatever. Ten
years ago, I read this thing about bringing wildlife that
was going to be the new trend that's happening in
Europe and it's gonna you're gonna see it more and
more in the United States, bringing wildlife into the gardens.
(30:25):
And I dumb me, this is dumb meat for the belt.
The light went on. I'm thinking, who's going to want
to drink? Bring squirrels and groundhogs the deer into their
guard And that's kind of silly. Why would you bring
the wildlife? Well, like I said, dumb meat, I wasn't
thinking clearly here, and we're talking more about the pollinators
and the hummingbirds and the bats and the birds and
(30:45):
all of those. And sure enough, guess what's happening. That's
that is now the trend, as you're saying here is
you know, and I call it dinner and a show because.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
You know, yes, that's perfect.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, you put it. You put that out there and
you just sit back and watch the entertainment and it's phenomenal.
And of course you created this ecosystem with the insects
and the pollinators and the birds and all, and like
you said, you know it, just do it a little
bit at the time, and it does work, There's no
doubt about it. I think the one thing that I
liked at the very beginning is you said, you know,
(31:19):
when you start thinking about doing this, think about the
one bird that really picked your interest when you were
bird watching or watching the bird feeder. And like you said,
the cardinal was your first one.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
First.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
You know what bird I thought of first? Of all
two birds that I thought as I grew up. One
we lived in the country on a farm, crows always
interested me big time. I thought crows were. And obviously,
you know, you don't see crows around the bird feeders,
but I always thought crow. But the other one it
was red winged blackbirds. And you never see those two
much either.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Oh yeah, and they are so cool with the way
they do their calls. And they travel through here in
the springtime. That's how we know, like you know, it's
finally getting closer to warmer weather they fly through. That's
true for you too.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, and they've got that distinctive call you you know
when a red wing blackbird's and you know, somewhere out
there because you can hear what they're saying and what
they're you know, that distinctive call. But I kind of
laughed and said, well, geez, I think of a you know,
I like cardinals and blue jays and all that, but
I thought of crows and red wing blackbirds.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
But anyway, that's awesome, and crows are so intelligent. Oh
my god, totally be fine. If a whole flock showed
up and befriended me. I think I'd be like, Okay,
let's let's hang out, let's do this. We can trade presents,
and yeah, I'd be all about it.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, my dad, my dad could call him and he
taught me how to do that, and I still can
do it. I still got still have that. I can
do it every now and then. But yeah, they're very interesting.
Bird talking with Jim McGinnis. She has an absolutely outstanding
new book hot off the press called Bird Friendly Gardening. Uh,
we're going to take a break. We come back, we'll
talk about some of the things that she talks about,
(32:55):
the basic needs, how to walk you through. I'm telling
you what this book, she did all the homework for you.
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Speaker 1 (35:04):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson. Our
special guest this morning. Frowz Aennie Jen McGinnis and she
goes by fraw Zenny. That's her website frowzenny dot com.
Be sure and check it out. Great website, all kinds
of great information. You'll love it and you can learn
more about her and all her latest book. Their first
book was micro Food Gardening, which is absolutely outstanding. Her
(35:25):
second book, which is brand new bird Friendly Gardening. And
I'll tell you what, this was way overdue, and I'm
glad that you wrote this. You have gotten it. You know,
you go into depth with this, but it's an easy read.
It's you know, it's it's it is an easy read.
But yet you've got so much information here it's crazy.
I like the fact that you start out by really
(35:45):
highlighting the fact that we kind of overlooked this sometimes
about the importance of water in our landscapes for the birds.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Yes, and clean water is so important too, So a
lot of individuals will put out a bird bath, you know,
in the warmer mind, but it's so important in the
winter as well, when a lot of those native water
sources have frozen up. So if you can have a
heated bird bath in your garden, that will provide that,
you know, fresh water that the birds are looking for
(36:13):
and that they need. And then of course keeping the
water sources clean is so important as well, just so
you know. Obviously, like if you had a place to
wash and you didn't, you wouldn't want to use munky water, right,
So the same thing goes through the birds, so keeping
them clean that helps prevent disease. That helps, you know,
just keep everything fresh and going. And you can clean
(36:34):
those bird baths with like one part bleach to ten
parts water, or if you don't want to play around
with the bleach, you could do one part five percent
household vinegar to nine parts water. You know, clean it
every couple of days, give it a good scrub, rinse
it really well, and keep that keep that clean for
them and they'll be really appreciative.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
And that's just one of the millions of things you're
going to learn when you read this book. And you
know what's interesting. You start us out pretty you talk
about some of the basic birds that we'll see out there,
and what exactly they eat. You've got a key there
and you get the symbols underneath, which makes it really simple.
You start going through going. I didn't know they eat
that all. They do that too as well, And then
I did not know about the four main travel routes,
(37:15):
which I thought was very interesting. When they migrate.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
Yeah, yeah, and that's really cool too, because you know,
we hear about those migration periods in the spring and
the fall, right like you're not your lights tonight to
help the birds get there safely. But we have four
main flyways in the United States, and that's the Pacific
Flyway which is along the western coast, the Central Flyway,
and that's you know, we're moving across the country now
(37:41):
going left to right. And then you have the Mississippi
Flyway and that follows you know, the Mississippi River as
they go south, and then the Atlantic Flyway which is
along the eastern coast. And then certain birds will actually
travel only along those those coastlines or you know those flyways,
like out in the west and the Pacific one, you'll
(38:02):
have the roof of hummingbird, you'll have the Western tanager.
And then over here, like you know, in let's say
Mississippi Flyway, you get a lot of the warblers and
the yellow bill cuckoo if you're lucky to see that.
So you have a chance to get outside in the fall,
in the spring and possibly see some of these beautiful
(38:23):
birds just traveling through the area trying to get to
their winter destination or summer destination.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Jim McGinnis is with us this morning. Her new book.
It's called Bird Friendly Gardening and is absolutely outstanding. You
got to check it out. It really walks you through
all the things you can do. I think one of
the good points you put in here too about you know,
after you read through this and you see all the
things that we can do, is that you know, you
don't have to just jump into this whole hog. You
can start by just replacing a plant here and a
plant there. And in many cases you start reading through
(38:51):
what you suggest we do. Some of us may be
doing a lot of that in our gardening the way
it is.
Speaker 7 (38:57):
Yeah, that's right. And so a lot of people think like, oh,
native garden, like that's kind of wild looking. I don't
want to do that, but you know you can incorporate
like a native shrub like a spiceberry or winterberry both
produce these beautiful red berries in the fall into the
winter and it you know, they stick around as long
as the birds allow them to. But that's part of
(39:18):
the fun, right, you're extracting those birds to come in.
So it's not like you have to rip everything out.
You know, if you have a whole garden full of hydrangeas,
you don't have to say goodbye to everything. You just
got to incorporate some of those native plants in and
intersperse them. Or if you have a giant lawn, which
is you know, very common across the United States, carve
out a little piece, you know, it could be in
the on the side, in the middle and make that
(39:40):
like a little spot for the birds that you know,
offer the food and the cover and the nesting material
that they can use to you know, nest and become
more frequent visitors in your garden.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Frow Zenny is with us this morning. She is Jim McGinnis.
The book is called Bird Friendly Gardening. You will absolutely
love it as you read through this. Now you ever
get folks that you're talking about creating these these gardens,
and of course a lot of folks doing the pollinator
gardens and inviting the beneficial insects in and the pollinators
in and all a little controversy there about why would
(40:12):
I want birds to be in my garden if they
feed on some of my insects that I have in
my garden.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Right, So, you know, there is a little bit of
a give and take there. There's certain insects that the
birds are really gonna, you know, leave alone, like the
monarch butterfly, caterpillar. The way they're designed, the way they're colored.
You know, that's a big warning to the birds, like,
do not eat me. I am disgusting. You will not
like me. So most of the birds stay away from them.
I have seen, like, you know, a saucy cap bird
(40:40):
go after a monarch butterfly and that wasn't nice. But
for the most part, the birds keep away from like
those flashy butterflies. But yeah, you do have a little
bit of a given take there. They do primarily feed
on insects to feed they're young. But the you know,
if you have enough plants to go around, increasing your
(41:00):
odds of you know, being able to raise those butterflies
successfully and also have the birds come and feed at
the same time. And it's not just you know, one
particular insect. They'll go after lots of insects.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
Like ants and spiders and you know, beetles, so it's
not like one target. So when you garden organically and
include those native plants, you're opening up your garden to
host all.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
Of those insects. So you're giving like a buffet option,
not just a single.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
One, a little buffet out there, gen says Jen McGinnis
is with us this morning. Her first book is micro
Food gardening. Check that out. It is really good. Her
second when she's two for two. Here, by the way,
bird friendly Gardening absolutely outstanding. Walks you through everything you
could ever want to know about bird friendly gardening. You
the picture in your condo friendly plantings, with that planter,
with those bins in that plant It looks like some
(41:54):
people like shift change those out. What a great idea.
I mean, I made it. I made a copy that
handed to a couple of my friends. So check this out.
I mean, it's pretty cool because you just pick those
bins out of there and switch out whatever you're going
to be growing in them. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
And the same thing goes for like a window box too,
Like if you you know, want to to change those
after a year, you can get a liner and pop
out on them, putting in your window box too. So yeah,
once you start trying to figure out the best ways
to maximize your space, it gets pretty creative.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, I mean, and and again you'll find a lot
of these great ideas. Thus the title Guidance and Projects
for Supporting Birds in your landscape or your condo or
your patty or whatever it may be. That's what you'll
find in this book called bird Friendly Guarding by Jen McGinnis.
And she walked you. You know, you walk us through
small space projects, medium large space, depending on the zone
(42:45):
you're in, the types of birds you want to go after,
you walk us through the whole thing. You even talk
about creating an owl friendly habitat. Unbelievable. I've never even
seen that before. It's great. We're running out of time.
I got so many questions for you. I can't, I can't.
Great book is called Bird Friendly Gardening by Jen McGinnis.
Check out our website frowzeni dot com learn more about it.
(43:07):
Well done, Jen McGinnis, Thank you so much. All right,
take care Bird Friendly Gardening, Jen McGinnis. And of course
the other book is micro Food Gardening. And I'll give
you a hint. I went to Amazon when I ordered
this book. Uh, you can buy the two of them together.
They have a combo deal as well, and get both
of them. You will absolutely love them. Great, great job.
(43:28):
All right, quick, breck, we come back phone lines. You
A're gonna be over for you at eight hundred eight
two three eight two five five Here in the garden
with Ron Wilson.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Help.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
So let's do it yourself gardener at one eight hundred
eight two three Talk You're in the garden with Ron
Wilson
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