Ron Wilson 7/6/2024 Hour 3

Ron takes your calls and questions. We also hear from Gary Sullivan and Buggy Joe!

Episode Transcript

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Alright total free number eight hundred eighttwo three eight two five five. Good
morning. I am Ron Wilson,your personal yard boy, talking about yard
day on this post July fourth weekend. Hopefully you had a great Fourth of
July. Able to get together,do a little grille out, shoot off
a few fireworks, watch a fewfireworks. Our neighborhood that kept shooting them
off last night, probably gonna shoothim off again to night. Sound like

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a war zone in my name,neighbor, Like a war on in our
neighborhood last night. I kept saying, this is the fifth of July,
right, But yeah, I thinkthere was more going off last night than
there was on the fourth, althoughwe had some late showers kind of blow
through and maybe held some people up. I don't know. But what's interesting
is Dan and they were coming frombasically Gary Sullivan's home area. So I

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don't know if that was Gary outthere doing that last night, said Gary,
and Sue maybe Hill saying I knowhe's got to get up in the
morning at four, you know,three point thirty four o'clock. I'm just
going to shoot fireworks off till tenor eleven. Why not Gary doesn't get
up till six or seven every game. Well, you know that's what he
was saying. I don't have toget up, so I'll just keep shooting
off the fireworks. I'll keep thatboy up for a while, And that's
what he did. Anyway, totalk in your ardening, hopefully you've had

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a couple days off. It's amazingwhat I said. Seventy million people traveling.
I'm glad I'm not on the roadstomorrow. Seven million under that on
the airplanes. I'm glad I'm notflying tomorrow either. But hopefully if you
are traveling, you'll have a safetrip back, get back to home and
back to normal things on Monday,and back to work again. So hopefully
you've enjoyed this weekend. I thinka lot of folks took the week off

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and maybe at least had a fortyeight weekend, if not the whole week
off plus the weekend as well.Talking about yarding at eight hundred eight two
three eight two five five, hada I get this question every now and
then, and I thought I wouldI printed it out because I wanted to
bring it up this morning on ourshow because I get this all the time,
folks talking about you know, appreciateshow all that kind of stuff,

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but I'm looking for a safe,all natural bug spray for my vegetable garden.
I'm concerned about eating my vegetables,been dressing chemicals. What do you
recommend? What's out there that's safe? What is out there that I can
make myself? And if you knowme and you've listened our show over the
years, you know I'm not abig homemade spray person. And you go

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on the internet and there are abazillion formulas of all kinds of things to
take care of weeds and bugs anddiseases out of homemade chemicals and canca actions
that I personally don't recommend, okay, And it's always interesting to hear them
and hear what people come up with. But you know, if you mess
up, and you know, maybeit's just too easy to mess up and

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burn your plants up, kill yourplants, cause damage your plants whatever by
doing those. Even when it boilsdown to like doing insecticidal soap, so
many people think they just put alittle dawn in some water and spray that
on. You know, that's notthe way it works. Insecticidal soaps are
commercially made, but manufactured to havethe right fatty acids in there, the

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right combination to kill the insects,but not kill your plants, are you
or whatever? So I'm not abig homemade spray person. Now, if
you've listened to our show for awhile, you'll know that I do say
this one. If you've got mossand you're trying to burn the moss off
of the patio or whatever, oryou know, to get rid of it
temporarily, because that's all it isis temporarily until you change the environment.

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Bake soda and warm to hot waterto that small box two gallons of lukewarm
to warm water, Spray that onthe moss and it'll burn it right off
and keep it off for about sixto eight weeks. It's a temporary solution,
but it does get rid of itfor you, doesn't hurt the grass
of the plants, doesn't hurt youpatio furniture and all that. So that's
one I'll throw out there. Iadmit I do that, but all the

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rest of them I do not recommend. Okay, I would rather use the
commercially manufactured insecticize, whether they aresynthetic, organic, natural, whatever it
may be. Right, That's whatI would recommend you do. And I
think no matter whether you're using andI know the concern about using synthetics or

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using you know, natural organic insecticides, use of the pesticide, I know
it's a big issue. I getthat, but I think the thing you
also need to remember is read thelabel, because even with the synthetics,
you know there's a safe time whento stop spraying, you know, so
that it's gone from the plant,only lasts for so long before you eat
the fruit, washing it off,et cetera, et cetera. But nevertheless,

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if you want to go all natural, all organic, I still say
this, those are also still inquotation mark chemicals. And even if they're
all natural, environmentally safe, betterfor you and me and the kids and
the pets, you still want touse them with caution, use them just

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as needed, and you still wantto wash things off or do whatever when
you're done, you're getting ready toeat your fruits and vegetables. Because they
are a chemical of some type,whether it could be natural, but that's
what they are. Insecticidal soap,horticultural oil, niem oil or nim max
bt back silicaregiens is spinosi a diatamacousearth. There are so many out there

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that are available for you that areall natural or all organic that could be
used, but you still want touse them per the label, read the
label. I would still, youknow, you know, when you're spraying,
I would still watch the timing whenyou spray to when you're going to
harvest. I'd still clean off thefruits and all of that. But I
do not again, I do notrecommend the homemade concoctions. And I think

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that even though you're using these environmentallysafe, natural organic or environmentally friend more
friendly soaps and oils and bets andspinosas and all that you still want to
be cautious as you're using them,and you still want to read the label
and follow the directions. And Ithink sometimes you have to also remember that
if you want to be really youknow, safe about this whole thing,

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you don't, you know, usethem as little as possible. Don't forget
that a shot of strong water candislodge a lot of bugs off of your
plants that don't make it onto theplant. I joke sometimes I don't know
if Joe likes this. I saythis, but there are in many cases
where you know you knock that theinsects off the plant, they hit the
ground. They're like a bunch ofguys. They don't ask for directions.

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They're lost. They ever make itback on the plant. Sometimes they can
make their way back on the plant. I get it, but for the
most part a lot of them don't. So just just lodging them off of
there really can reduce the populations.You know that you don't have any problems
that smart smashing them by hand orwhatever it may be. But again my
point is, you know, arethere safe things out there? There are
safer products to use. Yes,that are more environmentally friendly and more friendly

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to you and me and the kidsand the pets and all that. All
natural, all organic, but youstill want to respect them. You still
want to follow what it says onthe label and use them as directed and
again limit them out that you're usingthem. If you can, look for
other things you can do, likedis lodging, smashing, stomping, Like
Joe always says, you know,I don't know too many insects that can

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resist the pressure between your thumb andyour forefinger or stepping on them with a
size fifteen boot that the Joe wears, or even if you have a ten
or twelve doesn't really matter. Theother question came up to me was somebody
said they accidually sprayed round up,got a little drift on their mature potato
plants and bert the folio dried offset right away, and wanted to know

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if the fruits of the tubers thepotatoes would be safe to eat after spraying
them getting a drift of roundup onthere. Again, remember there are two
types of roundup on the market today. There's the new formula, the exclusive
formula, which is three different typesof herbicides, and then there's the old
formula, which is lipa sate andglyphosate is a systemic and I think one

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of the other ones is systemic also, which means that that moves through the
foliage and down into the root system. So in that case there is a
good chance that would make its waydown into the potato or the tuber as
well. I probably would not eatthem, No, I would not,
So that was my answer to that. But the point again being is is

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that they're remember are two formulas ofroundup out there, so make sure when
you're grabbing that roundup off of theshelf, and they're both still available until
the old inventory runs out of thethe old formula, read the label to
see which one it is. Ifit's the exclusive formula with three different chemicals
in there. For you look atthe new restrictions, they're much different than

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the old roundup that had the glyphosate. You're waiting time for planting is a
lot longer on this one. Iwould not use it around I personally am
questioning, and I think other peopleare too. Some of these can be
very mobile. I'd be very cautiousabout using it around the root system of
a lot of trees and shrubs.And again, read the restrictions as far

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as how long you need to waitforevergreens, if you like went in and
killed out an area, you haveto wait thirty days to replant it thirty
days. The other one's like justlong enough for it to get through the
plant and you're good to go.So keep that in mind. Please,
let's take a break because we havea little home improvement coming up. And

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then, of course, Buggy JoeBoggs eight hundred eight two three eight two
five five don't forget our websites.Ron Wilson online dot com you're in the
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in the garden with Ron Wilson.Time for the Man, the mid the
Legend, the most listened to PulmanPriva show hosts in the entire Solar system.
His website It's Garysullivan online dot com. Ladies and gentlemen, the one,
the only, Mister Gary Celiban,mister Wilson, Hell in the world?
Are you well? I'm a littlesleepy. I swear you were shooting

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fireworks over in your neck of thewoods last night till about ten or eleven.
There was a few keep awaiting shotyesterday. What was that all about?
I don't know. It was thefifth, right, you know what?
I agree? I think there wasmore on the fifth than there wasn't
a fourth. Ain't no doubt therewas more last night than I think we
heard, you know, like today, maybe the record breaker. You never
know, you never know. Yeah, there's a bunch of them, no

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doubt. How much money did youspend on fireworks? Thousands? Have you
prices fireworks so you know? Thousandsis not hard? I can imagine,
But really I didn't. I didn'thave any fireworks. Yeah, remember the
old days when it was a fewbottle rockets, some sparklers, cherry bombs,
cherry bomb here and there, littlehalf inches and then yeah, you

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light up the whole thing. Yeah, and there's little black snakes. Oh
yeah, those are big. They'rekind of crawl off your roof for bottle
rockets. No, do they evensell bottle rockets anymore. I'm sure they
do, and I don't see kidsdoing bottle rockets anymore. Well, there's
bigger stuff fron. Well now it'sjust the tubes and stuff like metal tubes.

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Yeah, like get some inch anda half PBC and lunch those babies.
My friend Burnon used to do itout. He had metal pipes,
you know, falls that fit downthere, just like Rossie. Wow.
Yeah, there was a bunch.You don't have to go anywhere, and
I know you do is go outin the back here here own backyard and

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watched the neighborhood light up. Absolutelyabsolutely, I don't know, at least
it does not old brown and uhgray. That was like the lawn was
brown and gray. Isn't it amazingwhat that rain did? Oh? Yeah,
those were a couple of really greatrain. Really a couple things up.
Again, if it rained in yourarea, they were really great rains.

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It was just a bonus. Yeah. Forget it ever happened. Yeah,
forget it happened. But it isamazing looking at lawns yesterday afternoon.
How a lot of them green backup very quickly. Yeah, I'm not
going to turn them off for likea week or something. I shut it
down for about three days, yeah, you know, for the lawn.
Yeah, and if we get anothernice But there was a couple really nice,

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not hard rains, just that straightdown, small beads of rain.
Just I guess you call it ashower Yeah, like it's just fallen out
of your shower head over over thetop of the side of the bathtub and
it just wet for you know,forty five minutes to an hour and a
quarter inch or half inch. Butthere were several of them, and those

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are good ones. Yeah. Yeah, you could tell that that that we
had a little something. Hey,I actually have a serious question for you.
Oh I hope I have a seriousanswer. So you do. You'll
tell me or you're going to sayI really can't. You'll say I can't
really tell for sure, you knowthere are because I can't. There are
in the corner of our deck andyou know my deck situation, and it
faces the east, and it's shadedby woods, and it's shaded by a

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privacy fence that it's shaded by thebuilding, and right up within about two
or three feet of where it's bythe fence, it really doesn't get any
sun there at all. Good andit's you know, I spray it all
the time, I do the wetand forgetting that, but I can still
see algae in there. Is therea point where that it's just you know,

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I would be better off just takingthat out of there. And because
I know the wood's got to beyou know, eating away quicker, yeah,
than the rest of the deck.I mean, you can just tell.
Well, So if it is,and I know it is, it's
pressure treated wood, right, Sometimesthat algae gets down below the pressure treatment,
right, you know, because thatwears out and that pressure treatment from

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the mill is only it's not evena quarter of an inch into that board.
So if the board splits or getsa goalgean and that water gets in
that that that algae can live downin that wood. But you know,
if you've tried to wet and forget, I mean I would probably maybe try
something even like a you know,thirty second cleaner or a even just a

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straight bleach and see what happens,to see if you can does that mess
up the wet and I mean Iuse wet and forget, but I can
just tell that area just stays darkand damp all the time. Yeah.
Yeah, and even one forgets havinga hard time well working with that.
And so how many applications have youdone on the wedding forget? I used
to do two a year, twoa year, and it never cleans it

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up for a while, and it'sback quick. That's why I said,
I think I just feel like it'sreally into the wood. Well, I'm
sure it's into the wood. Theonly thing is with the wedding forget that
is a complete kill. Unlike someof the other cleaners I just mentioned,
the wedding forget does have a residualeffect that stays in that wood. I'm

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a little surprised that it cleaned itall the way and yet it comes back.
I could understand that maybe better ifit didn't clean it all the way.
Seems like it does Yeah, well, I don't know. Two times
a years is plenty. The onlyother thing I would do, maybe do
it a little different is use thewet and forget maybe three times about every

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three weeks, because it sounds tome it's not a complete kill, right,
and it's you're not getting that residualeffect. Don't get all excited and
jump it up and down and screaming. But if by chance I was considering,
which you're not stating, in thislate summer early fall, and I

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want to make sure I don't sealthat the way it is, what do
I do? I think i'd probablyfind out what my moisture content in that
wood is before I did it.How do I do that? You can
get a moisture meter, you canpour water right on that. Just take
a you know, a I don'teven know if i'd take a glass of

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water, just maybe a couple oftablespoons of water. Put a tablespoon of
water right where you see that algaestain. See what happens to that water,
because that wood may already be compromised, and that algae may be down
into that wood. And if thatwater, you know, if that water
can't go into the wood because there'salready water and algae in that wood.

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Eh. I don't know what you'regonna do. That's telling me that it's
holding all that water. Maybe it'snever drying out. Yeah, I don't
know. But if we can getit dried out, you know, put
a fan on it or something alongthose lines during a dry period, that
might be helpful too. And theproblem is is that's in conflict the way

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you're treating it with wettinfregad Right,So that's that's my question. Yeah,
yeah, that's why. Again,just like an oxygen at bleach and really
scrubbing and rinse, it might bethe best when you go first. I'm
glad you didn't jump up and downthe scream and yell thinking, oh sir,
could possibly actually stain my deck.I'm bringing my camera, Gary Salomon
online dot com. Coming up next, Buggy Joe Boggs. Here in the
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Welcome back here in the Garden withRon Wilson's time for the buggy Joe Boggs
report that would be Joe Boggs.He's Assistant Profet Ohio State University Extension,
Hamilton County Associated Faculty OSU Department ofEntomology. He's the co leader of the
Issue Extension Buckeye Environmental Horticultural Team.Their website by g L dot OSU dot
EEDU Ladies and gentlemen, Mister commonsense call himself Bucky Joe Buck. You

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know I read at the bottom ofyour email. Oh gosh, I needed
to shorten that thing. I didn'trealize that. I was thinking, already,
what are you getting all this?This is new material? I don't
know that's what It's not what Iused to have. I just I saw
it the other day. I said, you know what, I'm just gonna
I'm going to say that next timebecause that's what Joe says about himself.

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You know, I'm laughing because justbefore, you know, just more coming
on. I needed to make acorrection on one of my big alerts I
posted yesterday, Doctor Dan Potter atUniversity of Kentucky. Right, I had
a good friend, I mean,you know, we we both know Dan
and entomology. I had him,as you know, entomology professor, Professor

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of entomology, which is which istrue, except you know, Dan's retired
and so appropriately I should have hadin the alert professor emeritus. And so
I went on the University of Kentucky'sEntomology Department of Entomology website just to you
know, double check that. Youknow, I'm saying to say, all

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right, I want to make anduh and almost all the faculty and entomology
that that I knew are now.Oh oh man, have you done the
same? I mean all the professorsyou had. We have doctor here earlier.

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Of course he's Professor emeritith of Horticulturefor Georgia. So there you go.
Yeah, so there you go.It's like, oh, well,
I don't know in a different crowd. Well I got started early. We
did, I mean I really did. I got started early in this business
in the green industry. You did. And you know, I you know,

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I've seen three generations easily through throughmy time you know, doing this.
Now most of that general my generator, they're retired, not in it.
So it's their kids or kids thatare doing it anymore. So I
go to trade shows, I'm like, I don't know anybody anymore. Oh
it is true. I mean it'suh, you know, I'm getting close

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to that with extension. You know, it's like, oh my goodness,
I have to think about you know, oh when were they they were just
hired at Discounty or whatever, andit's uh, now, and it sneaks
up on you, doesn't it.I mean, it really doesn't. It
does. I don't think about it, and I don't think you ever have
either. I mean, you know, you and I just go and we
continue, and we're going to gountil something tells us to stop. I

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guess somebody pulls the plug or whatever. But uh yeah, I'd never think
about it. But then when youdo stuff like that, you go the
show, you're kind of like becauseusually you know everybody that's there. Okay,
that's what's bracing exactly the many theRon Wilson used to be a long

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time ago. Yeah. Yeah.And when if someone says that, you
know, and you hear them,you look around and think, where's that
where's the old guy that they're talkingabout? Okay, here's the best,
here's the best. We got highschool loaders right at the retail and they
say, man, this this oldman came up the other day and I
said, oh, do you thinkhe was probably his late sixties. This
old man came up. I well, man, no, you're not that.

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My wife. My wife reminded methe other day when I gave it
when I was doing an old man'sstory, that the old man that I
was doing the story it was youngerthan me. Yeah. Oh god,
Joe, Gary Salvan was a lotolder than us, so we can refer
to him as the old man.But oh, there you go, boys,

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I refer all to you is old. That's true. Yeah, yeah,
I didn't keep him from setting offfireworks? Does it many? Driving
around your side of the neighborhood,you and Gary, You're fireworks were shooting
off last night? Like I don't. I couldn't believe it. I'll tell

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you more than on the third,I mean I don't understand that. I
guess yeah, and the and thefourth, and you know, I mean
it's like, oh, how longis this going to go on? Yeah?
So I don't know. It's uh, it's interesting. Interesting. I
rudely interrupted you. And when you'retalking about doctor Dan Potter, Oh no,

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were you going somewhere? Well,we came to a conclusion to do
with feeling with being made to feelold, But there is one thing.
There's one I will always say thisron that the value and and and we're
experiencing it. It's experience. AndI I grew up, as you know,

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very close with my h one,with my one of my grandfathers,
and and and that was something thatthat I'll never trade for anything because of
hearing and it's gonna sound corny,but hearing of his wisdom, you know,
his his life lessons and and it'strue. I mean, you know

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you hear this. You know,different culture is very much you know,
Native Americans always honored their elders becausethey had something to say, you know,
in particular, you know, inin in certain parts of the world.
You know, living a long timereally does teach you a lot relative
to the survival right and our andI still and I I believe that this

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is I know that very often youknow, as as and we did it
too, I mean I did tosome degree as I was growing up,
you know and learning new things.I mean, the most dangerous time was
the first year of college, rightbecause then, at least for me,
I thought, well, I reallyknow stuff. Of course I didn't,

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but you know that's what I thoughtat the time until you know, my
dad and grandfather just you know,not saying anything, you know, to
the point relative to knowing stuff,would just say things. I'd be Oh,
I need to listen to this,you know, their experiences. And
I think that's one thing that thatwe have to I have to admit and

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you have to admit too, thatit's not as difficult now as it was
two years ago, as you knowwhen we first started two years ago.
Right, Yeah, that's my storyof them. Yeah, that's right.
It's not as difficult diagnosing certain thingsor well we've seen that before. These

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big green beetles cruising lawns in Ohio, well we've seen that before. Right,
It's not you know, anything new. Japanese beetles are coming back this
year? Are you gonna? Youhave to beget in some emails and calls
about it. I have gotten noemails about Japanese beetles. But I'm sitting

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on our patio the other night,and I noticed a zennia has had a
few holes in them. We justplanning them last week, and I'm looking,
thinking maybe slugs got up on them. And I'm kind of digging around.
I'm kind of looking, and Ipulled a couple leaves down. I
mean I really had to pull themdown, and there was a Japanese beetle
wedged way down in that thing.And I go through them all I found
two. And so those two haddone all the dammies that was all probably

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on those zenias right there in thatpot. They hadn't gotten on any other
plant. And then I noticed,and I don't know if you were talking
about this earlier, but I noticedthe cardinals and blue jay's showing up around
our patio over the last four orfive days. And you know they will
go after the Japanese beetles, butI haven't seen that many. But because
I used to have a Harry Lowder'swalking stick there, man, they were
good. I knew when the Japanesebeetles were, yeah, because the birds

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were all over. But what thecardinals do, Joe, This is the
craziest thing. They will sit onour deck rail right now where the carpenter
bees where I've allowed them to drillholes, and they will wait and they
will pick those out of the hole. I've never seen that now, it's
the craziest. And I'll see somethingdrop out and then they'll pick it up
right away and take off with it, and they only do it for about

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ten days or so and then theywon't be there anymore. And I saw
him do that last year, whichwas the craziest thing. You know,
you've had birders on, you've hadornithologists, so I mean, you've had
you know, wildlife and you knowpeople on. Of course that's because you
know, we had a wild lifetoo, right, I mean up until
point. But that's another sort ofsorry of experience, right mart that's what

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she specializes in. Yes, that'sright, so we hear this. I
hate to say this, but youknow I've watched bird predation. We see
it. I mean, birds eatthings. But I have to I have
to meet ron that over the years, I've been a little you know,

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a little remiss and not not reallygiving the birds enough credit to be to
be really straightforward and honest. They'relike the last thing I think of in
terms of a managing test, whichthey really should be up near the front,
right. Yeah, especially when youget those monarch butterfly crystals. Lane
and I heard these larvae everywhere andall of a sudden they're gone. What

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happened to? Yeah? It isamazing when we have a weeping cha a
break must be there. Yeah,this is a great topic. Yeah,
there goes the fireworks right now,Okay, all right, quick break,
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in the garden with Rod Wilson.Time for part two of the Bugget Joe
Boggs Report. Joe Buggs of coursefrom the Oh Joey got out of the
car my truck yesterday and the parkinglot and there were a bunch of locusts
planted in the island plant things,and there was a dog day cicada having
at it. And it's just whenI listened to that, I just said,

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you know what, this is asound of summer. You know that's
going to be an upcoming alert.We actually started hearing dog day cicadas a
few weeks ago, believe not.And of course that was a lonely one,
right, some early arrivals. Butyou know that's interesting because I've been
meaning to bring this up with thehuge emergence this year of the two periodical

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cicadas broods the thirteen year that's inthe South, and a seventeen years here
in Illinois, which of course anumber of our listeners live in those areas.
Right. So the annual dog daycicadas, though I emerge every year.
Now. They generally tend to taketwo to three years, depending on

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the species, to develop. Butthere's such overlap between, you know,
the generations, that every year someof them emerge, except some years there
are more than others. You know, you and I've talked about this before
a few years ago. My goodness, I don't know that I've ever seen

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as many annual dog day cicadas.And we always tell people, well,
there's not that many. You hearthem, you know, dog days this
summer and so on. But forfor folks that live, you know where,
they've already had the periodical cicada emergence, which is gone. You know,
that's a May June thing. Usuallyit winds them in the South with

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the thirteen years, usually sometimes fairlyearly in June, right, and then
you have you have a you know, then you have a quiet time and
then all of a sudden here comesthese dog deay cicadas. And when you
and I experienced it, here,you know, in southwest Ohio. What
did we hear? Oh my goodness, they're back. You know you have
a second one. But of coursethe doged de cicadas don't cause you know,

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nearly the damage simply because there aren'tas many. Although they do lay
eggs the same way and they doa lot of the same things. But
one thing that's very different, andI'm getting way ahead because we'll probably need
to talk about this again depending onthe weather. One thing is very different,
though, is the cicada killer wasp, which is one of our largest.

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Fact, I'm not sure it's notthe largest native wasp you know in
North America. I think I'm rightabout that. But that is associated with
the annual dog de cicadas, notthe pure radical cicadas. So these big
wasp that fly around and like tomake their collective you know, nests as

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we call them, are colonies,even though they're individual holes. They fly
around and look for an annual cicada. They they sting it and paralyze it
and bring it back to its undergroundburrow. Now, those are again very
closely associated. That's there, that'sthat is their meat item. They can't

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wait seventeen years, you know,to get food. So that's why they're
not associated or thirteen years, Ishould say, that's why they're not associated
with the periodical cicadas. But butyes, that's really interesting because I was
actually going to bring that up.I was going to bring that up last
week. And you know, sometimeswe I go off a subject a little

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bit. I don't really ever noticethat. Oh yeah, I don't.
I don't a on or anything.Oh no, no, no, we
listeners don't know this, but wepeople say, would just talk. Yes,
Well, that's because people think wehave a very tightly scripted show here,
don't we. But now it's prettymuch, well, whatever comes in

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our is our. It's shiny things. Ron, Let's face it, that's
our that's our our problem, isn'tit. Danny Gleeson admits that Saturday morning
is the is the is the funmorning because he never knows what's going to
happen on these two shows, theShow and a Gary Sullivan Show. Correct.
I freely admit that, well,and that's the fun of it.
That's right, because things I mentionedshiny things as the segue all the way

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back to Japanese beetles, because you'reright, you really do have to kind
of look for them in our neckof the woods, although I'm seeing more
this year than I've seen a longtime. But there are some areas where
you know, people are really seeingquite a few. And of course if
you're seeing quite a few now,you're going to see a lot later.

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But but we termed this, youknow, we call highly localized, meaning
that even within Greater Cincinnati, thereare certain spots where I think we're going
to have some hot spots just inour region. And that's because Japanese beetles
have started behaving a lot like anative insect. I mean, I'm waiting

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and it's got real quiet. Whatyou say, what? Well, so
I call them the three piece predators, parasitoids, and pathogens, all these
enemies of insects. And if youhave a non native like Japanese beetle or
or spongy moth which you know usedto be called gypsy moth, if they're

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if they're not plant killers, andI know a lot of folks will say,
wait a second. I remember Japanesebeetles used to really hammer my linden
tree, but they didn't kill it. And no, it's just gonna makes
it look a little bad for atime. So if they are able to
make a living without killing their hostslike camel, dashboar, then their enemies

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will gradually start discovering them, includingbirds, and over time we'll start saying
it's the same thing that happens withnatives. Obviously native insects. You know,
they grew up with all their enemies. So eventually, you know,
they get discovered by the Three peasand we'll see populations that are suppressed naturally

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until you know, they're like theyare like rabbits. I mean, they
can reproduce rather quickly. And withJapanese beetles, for example, and this
is a concern a little bit,and that is they lay dehydrated eggs.
You probably remember we talked about thisyears ago, and so they have to
get water. They have to getrain water or irrigation water to hydrate in

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order to develop. Well, youknow, I heard you and Gary talking
about this, and I've been happytoo that we're getting some rain right Well,
that also that also means the Japanesebeetles we're seeing right now that are
mating and laying eggs, well that'sgoing to be kind of good for their
eggs. So you kind of wanta dry July in August because that can

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play a huge role also in suppressingthe populations from year to year. But
as I said, you know experience, you and I were around when these
were really bad, because the frontwas just moving through as it went west.
And by by front, I meanokay, they got introduced on the
east coast and just over the yearsthey've kept moving westward. And when it

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moved through our area, Oh mygoodness, it was apocalyptic, wasn't it.
I mean, huge numbers. We'llprobably we'll probably never see that again.
I'm I'm in fact, I'm allbut certain we'll never see the numbers
we used to see again, simplybecause so many things have found them to
their liking. And you know again, birds are a major major predator on

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Japanese beetles, and you know anotherI've posted pictures on this boxwood leaf miner,
which is a non native. Well, in the past few years,
we've seen a lot of predation bybirds. I mean, you know,
boxwoods that have been almost stripped ofthe leaf miner. Of course, the

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birds cause damage because they're pecking outthe little larvae in between the upper and
lower leaf surface. But again theseyou know, I have long underestimated the
impact of birds, but I thinkthat we do need to really step back
and say, well, they're doingwhat they were designed to do. But
I will have to admit the carpenterbee observation, I've never seen that before.

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That's pretty remarkable. Yeah. Ikeep going to get my cell phone
out there so I get a shotthis for you, and I'll keep doing
it because it'll happen for about aweek and if I can catch them doing
that, you'll flip out. Imean, it's unbelievab and then they go
away. It's kind of crazy.Buggy Joe Bogs always applies here againt.
The website is b y g Ldot O s U dot E v U.
Have a great weekend. Talk toyou next Saturday. Have a great

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week Ron, take care by bye, all right, bye bye. Thanks
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