The Buggy Joe Boggs Experience 7/6/2024

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here in the Garden with Ron Wilson, this time for the Buggy Joe Boggs
Report. That would be Joe Boggs. He's an assistant professor Ohio State University
Extension, Hamilton County Associated Faculty OSU, Department of Entomology. He's the co
leader of the Issue Extension Buckeye EnvironmentalHorticultural Team. Their website byg held dot
OSU, dot EEDU, Ladies andgentlemen, mister common sensical himself, Buggy

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Joe bog you know I read thatwork from the bottom of your email.
Gosh, I need to shorten thatthing. I didn't realize that I was
already What are you getting all this? This is new material? I don't
know that's not what I used tohave. I just I saw it the

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other day. I said, youknow what, I'm just gonna I'm going
to say that next time, becausethat's what Joe says about himself. You
know, I'm laughing because just before, you know, just more coming on.
I needed to make a correction onone of my big O alerts I
posted yesterday doctor Dan Potter at UniversityKentucky. Right, I had a good

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friend. I mean, you know, we both know Dan and entomology.
I had him as you know,entomology professor Professor of Entomology, which is
which is true, except you know, Dan's retired and so appropriately I should
have had in the alert professor emeritus. And so I went on the University

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of Kentucky's Entomology Department of Etymology websitejust to double check that. You know,
I'm saying to say, all right, I want to make and uh
and almost all the faculty and entomologythat that I knew are now it.
Oh man, have you done thesame, I mean all the professors you

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had? Oh yeah, well wehave doctor Armitage on here earlier. Of
course, he's Professor Meritith of Horticulturefor Georgia. So there you go.
Yeah, so there you go.It's like, oh, well, I
don't know, we're living in adifferent crowd. Well I got started early,
we did, I really did.I got started early in this business
in the green industry. You did. And you know, I you know,

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I've seen three generations easily through throughmy time, you know, doing
this. Now most of that generalmy generator, they're retired, not in
it. So it's their kids arekids that are doing it anymore. So
I go to trade shows, I'mlike, I don't know anybody anymore.
Oh, it is true. Imean it's uh, you know, I'm

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getting close to that with extension.You know, it's like, oh my
goodness, I have to think aboutyou know, oh when were they they
were just hired at discounty or whatever. And it's uh now, and it
sneaks up on you, doesn't it. I mean it really doesn't. It
does. I don't think about it, and I don't think you ever have
either. I mean, you know, you and I just go and we
continue, and we're going to gountil something tells us to stop. I

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guess somebody pulls the plug or whatever. But uh, yeah, I'd never
think about it. But then whenyou do stuff like that, you go
the show, you're kind of likeusually you know everybody that's there, and
you're like, Okay, that's what'sbracing. You're exactly the Ron Wilson he
used to be a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. And when if

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someone says that, you know,and you hear them, you look around
and think, where's that, where'sthe old guy? Or talking about Okay,
here's the best, here's the best. We got high school loaders right
at the retail and they say,man, this this old man came up
the other day. And I said, old, you think he was probably
his late sixties. This old mancame up. I'm really well, man,

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no, you're not that my wife. My wife reminded me the other
day when I gave it when Iwas doing an old man's story that the
old man that I was doing thestory was younger than me. Yeah.
Oh god, Joe Gary Slan wasa lot older than us, so we

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can refer to him as the oldman. But oh, there you go,
boys, I prefer all to youwas old. That's true. Yeah,
I didn't keep him from setting offfireworks. Does it many around your
side of the neighborhood. You andGary, you're fireworks for off last night,

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Like I don't I couldn't believe it. I I'll tell you more than
on the third. I mean Idon't understand that. I guess yeah,
and the and the fourth and youknow, I mean it's like, oh,
how long is this going to goon? Yeah, So I don't
know. It's uh, it's interesting. Interesting. I ruly interrupted you.
And when you're talking about doctor DanPotter. Oh no, well, we

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came to a conclusion and I hadto do with feeling with being made to
feel old. But there is onething, there's one I will always say
this ron that the value and andand we're experiencing it. It's experience.
And I I grew up, asyou know, very close with my uh

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one of my one of my grandfathers, and and and that was something that
that I'll never trade for anything becauseof hearing I know it's going to sound
corny, but hearing of his wisdom, you know, his his life lessons.
And it's true. I mean,you know you hear this. You

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know, different culture is very muchyou know, Native Americans always honored their
elders because they had something to say, you know, in particular, you
know, in in in certain partsof the world, you know, living
a long time really does teach youa lot relative to a survival right in
our and I still and I believethat this is I know that very often,

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you know, as as and wedid it too, I mean I
did to some degree as I wasgrowing up, you know and learning new
things. I mean, the mostdangerous time was the first year of college,
right because then, at least forme, I thought, well,
I really know stuff. And ofcourse I didn't, but you know that's

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what I thought at the time untilyou know, my day adding grandfather just
you know, not saying anything,you know, to the point relative to
knowing stuff, would just say things. I'd be, oh, I need
to listen to this, you know, their experiences. And I think that's
one thing that that we have toI have to admit and you have to

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admit too, that it's not asdifficult now as it was two years ago.
Lets you know, when we firststarted two years ago, right,
Yeah, that's my story and them, Yeah, yeah, that's right.
It's not as difficult, uh,diagnosing diagnosing certain things or well we've seen

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that before. These big green beetlescruising lawns in Ohio. Well, we've
seen that before, right, It'snot you know anything new. Japanese beetles
are coming back this year? Areyou gonna You have to be getting some
emails and calls about it. Ihave gotten no emails about Japanese beetles.

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But I'm sitting on our patio theother night, and I noticed the zennia
has had a few holes in them. I'd we just planning them last week,
and I'm looking, thinking maybe slugsgot up on them, and I'm
kind of digging around. I'm kindof looking, and I pulled a couple
of leaves down. I mean Ireally had to pull them down, and
there was a Japanese beetle wedged waydown in that thing. And I go
through them all I found two andso those two had done all the dammies

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that was all probably on those zeniasright there in that pot. They hadn't
gotten on any other plant. Andthen I noticed, and I don't know
if you were talking about this earlier, but I noticed the cardinals and blue
jays showing up around our patio overthe last four or five days. And
you know they will go after theJapanese beetles, but I haven't seen that
many. But because I used tohave a Harry Lowder's walking stick there,

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Man, they were good. Iknew when the Japanese beetles were because the
birds were all over it. Butwhat the cardinals do, Joe, this
is the craziest thing. They willsit on our deck rail right now where
the carpenter bees where I've allowed themto drill holes, and they will wait
and pick those out of the hole. I've never seen that. Now,
that's a crazy And I'll see somethingdrop out and then they'll pick it up

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right away and take off with it. And they only do it for about
ten days or so, and thenthey won't be there anymore. And I
saw him do that last year,which was the craziest thing. You know,
you've had birders on, You've hadornithologists, so I mean, you've
had you know, wildlife, youknow, people on. And of course
that's because you know we had awild life too, right, I mean

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up until point. But that's anotherstory of experience, right Martie Titchell,
that's what he specializes in. Yeah, that's right, So we hear this.
I hate to say this, butyou know I've watched bird predation.
We see it. I mean,birds eat things. But I have to

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I have to met ron that overthe years, I've been a little you
know, a little remiss and notnot really giving the birds enough credit to
be to be really straightforward and honest. They're like the last thing I think
of in terms of a managing pass, which they really should be up near
the front, right. Yeah,especially when you get those monarch butterfly chrystalas

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Lane and I heard these larvae everywhereand all of sudden they're gone, Like
what happened to? Yeah, itis amazing when we have a weeping cho
A break must be here. Yeah, this is a great topic. Yeah,
there goes the fireworks site. Nowokay, all right, quick break.
You come back more with buddy JoeBoggs. Here in the garden with
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with Ron Wilson. Time for parttwo of the Buggy Joe Boggs Report.

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Joe Boggs, of course from theOh Joey got out of the car my
truck yesterday and the parking lot andthere were a bunch of locusts planted in
the island plant things, and therewas a dog day cicada have it at
it And it's just when I listenedto that, I just said, you
know what, this is a soundthis summer. You know that's that's going

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to be an upcoming alert. Weactually started hearing dog day cicadas a few
weeks ago, believe not. Andof course that was a lonely one,
right, some early arrivals. Butyou know that's that's interesting because I've been
meaning to bring this up with thehuge emergence this year of the two periodical

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cicadas broods, the thirteen year that'sin the South and the seventeen years in
Illinois, which of course a numberof our listeners live in those areas.
Right. So the annual dog decicadas, though I emerge every year.
Now. They generally tend to taketwo to three years, depending on the

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species, to develop. But there'ssuch overlap between, you know, the
generations, that every year some ofthem emerge, except some years there are
more than others, you know,you and I've talked about this before a
few years ago. My goodness,I don't know that I've ever seen as
many annual dog de cicadas. Andwe always tell people, well, they're

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not that many. You hear them, you know, dog days this summer
and so on. But but forfor folks that live, you know where,
they've already had the periodical cicada emergence, which is gone, you know,
that's a May June thing. Usuallyit winds down in the South with
the thirteen years, usually sometime fairlyearly in June, right, and then

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you have a you have a youknow, then you have a quiet time
and then all of a sudden,here comes these dog day cicadas. And
when you and I experienced to hear, you know, in southwest Ohio,
what did we hear? Oh mygoodness, they're back, you know,
Yeah, you have a second one. But of course the dog eday cicadas
don't cause you know, nearly thedamage simply because there aren't as many,

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although they do lay eggs the sameway, and they do a lot of
the same things. But the onething that's very different, and I'm getting
way ahead because we'll probably need totalk about this again depending on the weather.
One thing is very different, though, is the cicada killer wasp,
which is one of our largest fact, I'm not sure it's not the largest

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native wasp you know in North America. I think I'm right about that.
But that is associated with the annualdog day cicadas, not the periodical cicadas.
So these big wasp that fly aroundand like to make their collective you
know, nests as we call them, are colonies, even though they're individual

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holes. They fly around and lookfor an annual cicada, they sting it
and paralyze it and bring it backto its underground burrow. Now those are
again very closely associated. That's theirs. That is their meat item. They
can't wait seventeen years, you know, to get food, So that's why

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they're not associated or thirteen years,I should say, that's why they're not
associated with the periodical cats. Butbut yes, that's really interesting because I
was actually going to bring that up. I was going to bring that up
last week. And you know,sometimes we I go off the subject a
little bit. I really never noticedthat. Oh yeah, don't I don't

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argue you on or anything. Ohno, no, no, we listeners
don't know this. But people say, would you just talk? Yes,
Well that's because people think we havea very tightly scripted show here, don't
we. But now it's pretty much, well, whatever comes in our is
our. It's shiny things, Ron, Let's face it, that's our that's

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our our problem, isn't it.Danny Gleeson admits that Saturday morning is the
is the is the fun morning becausehe never knows what's going to happen on
these two shows. The show ita Gary Sullivan's show, correct, I
really admit that. Well, andthat's the fun of it. That's right,
because things I mentioned shiny things asthe Segua all the way back to

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Japanese beetles, because you're right,you really do have to kind of look
for them in our neck of thewoods. Although I'm seeing more this year
that I've seen a long time.But there are some areas where you know,
people are really seeing quite a few. And of course, if you're
saying quite a few now, you'regoing to see a lot later. But

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but we termed this, you know, we call highly localized, meaning that
even within Greater Cincinnati, there arecertain spots where I think we're going to
have some hot spots just in ourregion. And that's because Japanese beetles have
started behaving a lot like a nativeinsect. I mean, I'm waiting and

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it's got real quiet, and saywhat you say? What? Well,
so I call them the three piecepredators, parasitoids, and pathogens, all
these enemies of insects. And ifyou have a non native like Japanese beetle
or or spongy moth, which youknow used to be called gypsy moth,
if they're if they're not plant killers. Now I know a lot of folks

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will say, wait a second,I remember Japanese beetles used to really hammer
my linden tree. But they didn'tkill it, and no, it's just
makes it look a little bad fora time. So if they are able
to make a living without killing theirhosts like like camel dashboar, then their
enemies will gradually start discovering them,including birds, and over time we'll start

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saying it's the same thing that happenswith natives. Obviously native insects. You
know, they grew up with alltheir enemies. So eventually, you know,
they get discovered by the Three peasand we'll see populations that are suppressed
naturally until you know they're like theyare like rabbits. I mean, they
can reproduce rather quickly. And withJapanese beetles, for example, and this

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is the concern a little bit asthey lay dehydrated eggs. You probably remember
we talked about this years ago,and so they have to get water.
They have to get rain water orirrigation water to hydrate in order to develop.
Well, you know, I heardyou and Gary talking about this,
and I've been happy too that we'regetting some rain right Well, that also

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also means the Japanese beetles we're seeingright now that are mating and laying eggs.
Well, that's going to be kindof good for their eggs. So
you kind of want a dry Julyin August because that can play a huge
role also in suppressing the populations fromyear to year. But as I said,
you know experience, you and Iwere around when these were really bad,

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because the front was just moving throughas it went west. And by
front, I mean okay, theygot introduced on the east coast and just
over the years they've kept moving westward. And when it moved through our area,
oh my goodness, it was apocalyptic, wasn't it. I mean,
huge numbers. We'll probably we'll probablynever see that again. I'm I'm in

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fact, I'm all but certain we'llnever see the numbers we used to see
again, simply because so many thingshave found them to their liking. And
you know again, birds are amajor major predator on Japanese beetles, and
you know another I've posted pictures onthis boxwood leaf miner, which isn't non

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native. Well, in the pastfew years we've seen a lot of predation
by birds. I mean, youknow, boxwoods that have been almost stripped
of the leaf miner. Of course, the birds cause damage because they're pecking
out the little larvae in between theupper and lower leaf surface. But again,
these you know, I have longunderestimated the impact of birds, but

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I think that we do need toreally step back and say, well,
they're doing what they were designed todo. But I will have to admit
the carpenter b observation, I've neverseen that before. That's pretty remarkable.
Yeah. I keep going to getmy cell phone out there so I can
get a shot of this for you, and I'll I'll keep doing it because
it'll happen for about a week andif I can catch them doing that,
you'll flip out. I mean,it's unbelievable, and then they go away.

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It's kind of crazy. Buggy JoeBoggs always applies here again. The
website is bygl dot OSU dot eedu. Have a great weekend. Talk
to you next Saturday. Have agreat week Rond Take care Bylly. Alright,
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