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Speaker 1 (00:04):
On the road again.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Just can't wait to get on the road again.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
You have done.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Good afternoon and welcome to the car show on fifty
five k r C.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
Yes, I am back. I apologize.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I had a little bit of a had some things
to do the past two weeks. I do apologize. Like
I said, I am back here. Take all of your
car questions. The number to call five one three, Sorry
that so be numbers that I gotta remember, five to one, three, seven,
nine fifty five hundred. Again, taking all of your car questions.
(00:55):
Love to hear from you. Uh, it's a gorgeous Saturday afternoon,
and what what better time than take care of your
car and talk about cars.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I mean, that's that's what we're here for.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Uh here every Saturday to take all of your car
questions again. Then I'm gonna call five one three, seven,
nine fifty five hundred. So yeah, it's it's been a
little bit of a busy, hectic, uh hectic a couple
of weeks. But to celebrate my son's birthday, my wife's birthday,
and the kids going back to school, right, and that's
kind of the topic that I'm gonna hit on today,
(01:27):
is getting the kids back to school and getting back
into the realm of normalcy.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
So you know, we we have that three months.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Of off and taking vacations and whatnot, but it's time
to start going back to getting back into our normal routines.
And that is getting the kids to school, making sure
that we're making practices, making sure that we're getting the
cars in, making sure that we're getting you know, you know,
getting to the dentist or whatever it is. Right, So
(01:58):
we've get that, we get that three months of you know,
kind of a break, right. It's not so much for
it's not so much a break for my wife or
the mothers that stay at home with their kids all summer, right,
because that can be usually by uh well I by bye.
By the time I left this afternoon, I'm like, well,
I'm going on the radio show.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
I'mbo've done with these kids. They're happ I mean nuts.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
But anyways, again, taking your car questions them call five one, three, seven, four,
nine fifty five hundred. Love to hear from you, love
to hear your car questions. And again, you know, we're
talking cars. So whatever pertains to to the vehicle, whether
it's air conditioning, whether it's maintenance, whether it's hey, Dane,
(02:43):
what do you think? What are your thoughts about this
new or used vehicle? That's what I'm here for. I'm
here again every Saturday from one to two. Love to
hear from you, and I love to take your car questions.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I do it all day long, right Monday.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Through Friday, but then I come in on Saturday and
try to help everybody out that I possibly can. So
I want to touch briefly on something I kind of
struck me earlier this week. And you know, struck me
in the sense that I I don't I don't agree
with how these new cars are manufactured and whatnot. But
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so I had a twenty nineteen Honda Odyssey. Okay, twenty
nineteen cars five years old, right, you spend a lot.
I mean there's odyssees, are you know, depending upon which
one you get, you know, they're forty fifty thousand dollars right.
And I had a customer come in and the air
conditioning wasn't working right.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
And.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
It has a new free on and it's called one
two three four y f it's very expensive free on.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
It's supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
More friendly, environment friendly and whatnot. So it's a lot
more expensive right, So a typical most of the time,
most of my career at Donovan Tire, an AC to
recharge was around one hundred and twenty five hundred and
fifty bucks, dependent upon how much free on I used.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Right nowadays.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
With the new.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Freeon UH, free on recharge is around starts at three
hundred can top out at about three hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Now.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I have talked about this on the show multiple times. Unfortunately,
the only way that you can diagnose an AC properly
is that you have to make sure that the freeon
level is correct and then it's at the correct level.
If you put too much free on in a vehicle,
it won't work. If you don't use enough free on,
it won't work. So you have to do and there's
no eyeglass, there's no dipstick that you can check this
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free on level. You have to use a machine. That's
the only way that you can do it right. Very frustrating.
So in order for me to try to figure out
why this air conditioning is not working, I need to
make sure.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
That the level is where it needs to be.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
So there's a process there, and again, dependent upon how
low the freon is it could be anywhere between with
the new free on three hundred to three hundre fifty dollars. Okay,
So we have to start there before we do anything else.
This isn't a diagnostic charge. This is merely what we
have to do in order to figure out why the
air conditioning is not working. Okay, there's no other way
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to do it. It's the proper way to do it. Okay,
if you had to, and I've mentioned this before, if
you have an inner tube, that's you know, you got
to pull. Let's say let's say you have a you know,
a pool float, right and it's flat. Well, the only
way that you can figure out where the where the
hole is and the float is to fill it back up, right,
So we have to make sure that that's done right.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
And if the pool float is a little flimsy or it,
you know it, it's.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Lacking air, right, the only way you know how much
air is in it. And so you get my point.
But anyways, so we have to start there, right. So
this car is five years old and we have to
start this process. We do that turns out that it
was a little low, but it wasn't the call. It
wasn't the reason why the air conditioning wasn't working, and
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it was because the compressor was bad.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
It was not working.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Now, I've been doing this for twenty five years and
my twenty five year career. You could always buy an
AC compressor. You could just call the dealer, or you
could call a aftermarket warehouse or whatnot. And if I
call you and I say I need an AC compressor,
it comes complete. It comes with every component that you
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need in order to get the job done well. Earlier
this week we had one that was again twenty nineteen.
I called to order a compressor Honda. And I'm not
picking on Honda. I like Honda's They're my favorite manufacturer. However,
what I'm upset about is the fact that how they
are now presenting their parts.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
So I call and get a price on a compressor.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
They gave me a price of like thirteen hundred dollars okay,
just for the compressor. That does not include the labor,
that doesn't the whole Job's like three thousand dollars okay
to put a compressor on this car.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
This car is five years old. Mind you, This is
absurd in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
But anyways, however, they do not Honda does not sell
just the compressor the whole unit. They sell the compressor,
the coil, and the clutch all separate, and then you
have to put them together. And there's no with it
being only five years old, there's no other outlets, there's
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no other, no other.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Nowhere else can you buy this part?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Now?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Most people say, well, Dan, what about to use one? Well, maybe,
but it's a twenty nineteen the cars five you're not.
You may find a used one, but that's going to
be very difficult to do so because it's because of
how new it is. Okay, so now they don't even
sell you the whole unit anymore. They're selling you it
in parts and you have to put it together.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Another source of not allowing you to work on your
own vehicle, which again uh, in my opinion is is
it's just not the way, the right way. So they
continue to make it more and more difficult. And I
was talking to a customer earlier this week on an Audi.
She needed some type of module. I can't remember the
name of it. Again, a module is just a fancy
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word for a computer.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
So your vehicle, most of your vehicles that are you're driving,
that are you know at least ten years old or newer.
They have modules. They have computers and they run everything.
You've got a module that runs the engine. You got
a module that runs the transmission. You got a module
that runs the electronics. You got a module that runs
your radio. Right, So she had a module out. I
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mean it was a twenty sixteen Audi car, was impeccable shape,
great condition, never was abused or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Just the module failed.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Right, Well, the module, there's none in the country and
it would have to come from Germany. It would be
a month away in order for us to get this thing.
So the customer was talking to me. She goes, well,
you know, Dan, I always bring my.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Other Lexus to your reach road location.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And they always tell me that it's you know, it's
a twenty eleven, and they just tell me to keep
it going.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
And you know, they never want me to get.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Rid of it.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
They say, just to keep it as long as I
possibly can. And I said, I wholeheartedly would agree. And
she even said the guy said, they don't they don't
make cars that they used to.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I'm like, no, they.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Don't, and it's it's it's for me to watch it.
It's kind of frustrating, right, because I feel that, you know,
sometimes duped as far as like what we're promised as
far as these vehicles and how long they're supposed to last.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Can your vehicle last three hundred thousand miles in today's standards?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Will it cost you an arm and a leg most
likely because of the technology, right, because of all the computers,
because of all the modules.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
And again you know.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I again I've talked about it on the show as well.
I have a I can find a use this example
all the times, a bunny mine's porch.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I can find a fuel in injector for seventy three
Porsche easier than I can find an AC compressor for
a five year old Honda Odyssey.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Now, Honda Odyssey is one.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Of the most mass produced vehicles out there, but of
course they didn't have it in stock.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
You have to order it and whatnot. I had a fuel.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Injector for seventy three Porsche that I bought on Amazon
and had the very next day by ten o'clock. But
then you can't get any of these parts, so it
is I'm what I'm here to tell you is, if
you have an older vehicle, try to hang on to
it as long as you possibly can, because the way
that they're manufacturing and making these cars nowadays can be
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a bit frustrating, right, because you can't get the parts.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
It's hard to get the parts.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I mean a car that's, you know, a twenty sixteen
OUTI and again it was low miles. It was like
sixty thousand miles, impeccable shape, and just the component itself failed.
I mean, it wasn't anything that the customer could have prevented, right,
but there's none in the country, and you can't put
it use one in it because Audi well what they
call like burn the vent into the module. So you
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can't just take one out of a junk yard car
and put it in because it's not gonna work because
the vent is burned into the module and there's no
way that you can do that.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Not even the dealer can put that in. So on
some of these newer cars.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
So uh man, it's just if you, you know, stay
alert when you're out there trying to purchase a vehicle,
try to purchase one that has the least amount of
bells and whistles, because I mean, granted, yeah, it's it's
it's nice to have the car do everything but drive
for you.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
I mean even the newer cars do drive for you.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
But that technology is going to fail, and when it fails,
it's going to be very expensive to replace if you
can even replace it.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
So, uh, just give that thought.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
When you're ready to purchase a new vehicle, give that
some thought.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
So I just was appalled by the fact that you
could not buy an AC compressor for this vehicle anymore
because you have to buy it in parts and you
have to build it.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
So just, in my opinion, is kind of absurd.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
But uh, taking your phone calls and I'm gonna call
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Speaker 4 (12:51):
Taking your car questions again, there were the number to
call five one, three, seven four nine fifty five hundred.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Let's get to the phones.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
I wanted to get that off my chest because man,
it just it's it's frustrating, because you know, you know,
we all work hard for money. We you know, we
want a nice car. We need a car to get
back and forth to work. And it's just harder and
harder and harder for the average American to just have
a car and just try to live on with their lives. Right.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Our cars shouldn't take up all of our money and
all of our energy. But it's twenty twenty four. What
are you gonna do?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
So all right, let's go to the phones. We've got Dave, Hey, Dave,
welcome to the car show.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
How can I help?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (13:32):
Dan did you try looking on the computer for the ac.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Compressor for that for that vehicle.
Speaker 9 (13:41):
Yeah, the vehicle you were talking about.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah, I mean you can.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
The resources that I had locally could not get me one.
But the only place that we could find one and
in pieces was from Honda.
Speaker 9 (14:01):
The computer. You couldn't find nothing on the computer for it.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Uh No, not not locally outsourd.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
I mean not locally.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
I mean I'm sure you know somebody down in maybe
Texas or California has one, but nothing locally could we
find one that was that was complete.
Speaker 9 (14:16):
It was too new m Yeah, they just mail it
to you that right. It says in Texas or California.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Oh they could. But you know, most people can't wait
a week to have their car.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
I mean you know that.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You know, this is a family that has you know,
you know, three car seats in it. I mean this
is their daily driver. They're driving their kids around and
they don't have that. I know that there may have
been some time that but we sometime that they don't
have time to wait for that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (14:46):
So they wanted yesterday, don't they.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah, I mean that's that's how most people need their car.
I mean I've been doing this a long time. Everybody
needs their car back yesterday, but no, I mean we
couldn't find we could can source anything locally quickly and
get it.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Back to them the same days.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Because what we do is we promised that as long
as parts are available, our our model is to get
the car in the morning, get it looked at, get
it diagnosed, get the parts, and get.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
It back to you by the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Right.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Sometimes it could be the day after. But the only
place we could find the parts that we could get
it quick get it back to them as quick as
we possibly could, would be from the dealer.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
And it was coming in pieces.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
No local sources had one in stock completely ready to go.
Speaker 9 (15:35):
That's first class service, getting it back to them at
the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
And I mean that's our goal.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
I mean it doesn't always happen, but that's that's what
my grandfather built the business own, was getting the car
back to you in the same day, you know, because
it's it's hard for people to be without their car,
right You've got work to get to, You've got kids
schools to get to, you got practice to get to.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
I mean, it's it's so we try to always, you know,
and it's a it's a massive inconvenience when you don't
have your car right. Not everybody has just you know,
a secondary source of being able to you know. Sometimes
customers are like, oh, you know, my neighbor said I
could borrow my car, borrow their car.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
My parents said I could borrow their car.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
So it's just a big inconvenience. So people don't want
to wait days to try to get their car fixed.
Speaker 9 (16:18):
I called the day. I called you last month about
a check engine light that occasionally lights up ninety one
Monster six twenty six, and I got the DBD one
wires and stuff. If I told you what votage each
wire come through, could you tell me which two wires
to hook the paper clip up to?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
I mean I could, yes, I could, I couldn't. I
would need a wiring diagram, and I can do that
if you call. Can you call me at work on Monday?
Speaker 9 (16:51):
Yeah? Or just there's only two plugs and it's got
three wires and one plug and the other plug or
thee oh they're connected? Is only got two wires in
it one zero point seventy five volts. The others point
zero two volts and then you got one it's got
twelve fifty three coming through it. Twelve volts. Yeah. Then
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the other connectors got point zero two and point zero four.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I mean, like I said, I could, I just I
would like to. I don't have it.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
I don't have access to the all of the all
of my tools at work. Can you call me like
Monday or Tuesday and I can walk you through that,
just so I have you know the software in front
of me that that you know because every car youar
make model whatnot. I need a wiring diagram and I
need to see what you know, what the votage needs
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to be and whatnot.
Speaker 9 (17:47):
Okay, can you give me your phone number?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Yeah, when you're ready, I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
It's UH area code five one three okay seven three
one eight nine eight nine. So five one three, seven
three one eight nine eight nine.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
And again just call.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Just when you call and talk to either MIC or CHIP,
just say hey, listen.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I spoke with Dane Saturday on the radio.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
He told me to give him a call and we'll
we'll get we'll walk through all that and I'll pull
up the wiring diagrams or when I just don't have
access to that in front of me.
Speaker 9 (18:21):
A vacuum we can cause that light to light up, right.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, what was I mean? Sure a vacuum leak. I
mean it could, Yeah, I mean it could. It depended
upon But again, we've got to jump those wires and
figure out what code we're dealing with. You don't correct
me if I'm wrong, but you don't have the actual
code yet. You're trying to figure out which two wires
you need to jump on that connector correct?
Speaker 9 (18:44):
Right, Yeah, there's a two different two different connectors and
then there's just one connect one plug that's got one
connector one wire going to it's like twelve twelve vaults. Also,
so somebody's telling me you might want to hook the
twelve volts up to one of the lower foldigh wire.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah, I mean I I want to make sure that
I give you the correct information. So just give me
a buzz on Monday and we'll we'll uh, I'll tell you, I'll.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Figure we'll figure it.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Out, all right. I appreciate that, all right, all right, Dave,
take care, appreciate it all right. By by uh, something
on a ninety one can be uh again because there
it wasn't OBD two. So most of the newer cars, again,
you plug them into a computer.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Most of the computers will tell you what to do.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
But back in the day you would have a connector,
but you would have to take like a paper clip
and jump to wires in order to determine exactly what
the code was. I just want to make sure I
give him the proper information, and and just you know,
I just don't have it in front of me at
the moment. So all right, let's go back to the phones.
We've got Richard. Hey, Richard, welcome to the car show.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
How can I help? Richard? Are you there? Hello, Richard? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Uh Richard, yep. All right, So all right, let's go.
Let's go to Bob. Hey, Bob, welcome to the car show.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
How can I help?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah? Hi, I really love your show. And wife hates
it though, because, like you, I do not let her
get a new car. We have a nine Honda Cord.
It is beautiful, one hundred and sixty thousand miles, looks
like today. We've got it off the showroom floor, perfect
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leather interior, did one hundred thousand miles deal and it's
just a beautiful car. Well, she's seventy years old. I thought, well,
I'll get her a new Ocre. We love Hondas. So
I go out and I look at the acre and
I'm thinking about getting one, and I'm.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Looking through the specs.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
In this car takes ninety one preferred ninety one octae.
It's a two point four Leader, And that's the same
engine they put into the Accords. And how important is that?
Because I've got nieces and nephews that have new cords.
They don't know that they're using eighty seven octane in
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there in there, and there's their cords, and that's I
hate to use the ninety one octane in the in
the Acura because that's a dollar more gallon.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
So it's you're serious to what you.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Thought about using eighty seven octane. I'm at it in
in the say a new Acro two point four, whether
they're supercharged or that Honda. Uh, it's the same engine.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Man, I'll be honest with you, Bob, I really and
all the times that I've in all the years that
I've been doing this, I've never been able to link
eighty seven octane or ninety one octane due to a
problem because of the gas that was put in the vehicle.
It's really really hard to try to figure out if
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there was that was the result of, you know, cheap gas. Now,
what I can tell you is most of the people
that I mean, how do I put this, most customers
or most people, even my own personal family and friends,
they put the cheapest thing in their in their car
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as they possibly can. That's what I think in my opinion.
I don't quote me on this, but in my opinion,
most people, probably I don't know not eighty ninety percent
of people put the cheapest thing that they can in
their car. That's the that's the general consensus that I get.
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Everybody wants to drive around all over the city just
to make sure that they get the cheapest price, and
they want to put the cheapest thing in the car.
So and again, I've never been able to link a
car problem or a car issue because they used didn't
use the proper octane. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but
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I kind of think sometimes that I think it's kind
of a forest. I don't I you know, I have
put cheaper gas in my in some of my cars.
I've put the most expensive gas in my cars. I
don't get any more mileage. I don't get any more.
I don't get a different performance. Some people say that, oh,
if you put the higher octane, you get better fuel economy,
and I've just never been able to link cheaper gas
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to a car problem. So I don't think even if
you buy the new car you need to put that.
You know that, again, is a recommendation by the manufacturer.
That is not the car can run on the eighty seven. Absolutely,
that's just the recommendation. So I wouldn't defer. I wouldn't
not buy a vehicle just because it takes that or
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it's recommended, because again, I've never been able to I've
never seen Yeah and again, and I've said this multiple
times about the show, I'm not worried about gas. I'm
not worried about what type of gas you're putting in
your car. I'm worried about making sure that the oil
has changed regularly and that you're checking it regularly. That's
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the most important thing that you can possibly do for
your car, because we've been completely confused as to when
we should change it. What the car says, what the
manufacturer says, and that's I think that's the bigger, the
bigger question. The bigger problem, it's it's not gas.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, because we do it every five thousand miles on
oil oil, change the tires every ten thousand.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
And you stick to that absolutely all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And you have the toole synthetic And like I said,
one hundred and sixty thousand miles in this car, I
have put maybe one thousand dollars into it, and I
can't it's just a beautiful car. But I think, Okay,
you've helped me make a decision on Accura. Yeah, you
a happy girl.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, the Accura is I love Accuras again, great manufacturer.
If you can maybe keep that car or maybe sell
it to a you.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Know, oh yeah, yeah, I wouldn't get rid of that.
I would probably keep the extra car.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I would because those things, that thing you're going to
see it, there'll probably be multiple times where there's a
recall or something like that. On that new card. She's
going to need something and so but uh, yeah, you know,
I would not.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I would.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I wouldn't not buy the vehicle just because of what's recommended.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Truly, I don't appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Hey you're welcome. You have a great day too, Hi, Bob.
Huh I appreciate it. Again, you know, manufacturers will put
out or recommended what you what fuel type you should
put in. But the general consensus from what I've seen
and what I've spoke to my customer base and again
even family and friends, most people, and again there's I
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don't hold I don't have the numbers, but in my opinion,
I would say nine out of ten people put the
cheapest thing that they can in their vehicles. I could
be wrong on that, but I would. You know, in general, concert,
I don't have a customer that comes to me and go, oh, yeah,
I put the most expensive gas in my car every time.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I've never had that conversation, and not at least not
with a customer. It's just not a conversation that we
typically have. But uh, again, I've never been able to
link putting the cheaper gas in your vehicle to a
car problem.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Again with Bob.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
With my argument with Bob was, I'm not worried about
the gas that you're putting in it, and I'm worried
about how often you're changing oil and how often you're
checking it. That's the bigger question. That's the bigger problem. Uh,
Because every single day. I'm not having a conversation with
the customer because they put cheap gas in their car.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I'm having a you know, a.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Conversation with the customer because they've got a problem with
the car and there's no oil in it. So that's
the bigger problem, not the not the particular type of
gas that you put in it. So uh, I thought
it was a great question. So all right again, taking
your phone calls and I never to call five one, three, seven, nine,
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Taking your car questions. The number to call five one,
three seven nine fifty five hundred. I do apologize, man,
you guys have been absolute outstanding.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Man.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I've got a full board in front of me, so
I will do my absolute best to get to everybody.
I just want you to know too. I will be
back next Saturday to answer your car questions as well.
So if I do not get to you, please call
me back next week. I promise I'll get you. I'll
get to everybody as best I can some All right,
with that said, let's go back to the phone. So
(28:21):
we've got Kevin. Hey, Kevin, welcome to the car show.
How can I help?
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Well, thanks for th haking my call. I just talked
to your dad about a year and a half. Two
years ago, I had a new catalytics Inverger put in
my ninety seven avalon and three days later I got
a P four twenty. I called him up four shop.
He said he had noticed that the flex pipe was
starting to go, but it wasn't far enough that he
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would worry about it. House he could go out and
five thousand miles or could be fifty thousand miles. So
I didn't do anything about it didn't affect anything. And
then two to three months ago I had noticed I
was starting to get less guessed, you know, per mile
it was nineteen, dropped down to seventeen, and then it
dropped down to like fourteen. So I hooked up my
scanner and I had a P four forty six, and
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from talking to a few mechanics, I found that the
you know, the common reasons would be either the vent
valve or the charcoal canister, which are you know, the
vin valves connected to that. So I got a new canister,
including the vent valve, from a Toyota dealer. My mechanic
put it on so far that's gone away. And then
I stopped and at a different muffle shop that's close
to me down in Hamilton, and he looked under it,
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you know with the run, and said, oh, your flex
pack sleek, And so he would ahead to put a
new one of those on, and also discovered a small
league similar you know, in one of the pipes that
he welded and cleared the code and it came back,
you know, within ten miles. So I stopped back the
next day and he said, the only other place that
could be would be like there and take manifold. Does
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that sound right? Or it would be the exhaust manifold
the manifold, and he said it would cost more than
the car's worth, you know, to do that.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Okay, let me let me backtrack here.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Okay, the the catalytic converter that was put in, was
it a factory man uh converter or was the old
one just cut out and they put an aftermarket converter
in it.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
I'm guessing they put an after market because one of
the things I read about the four twenty is that
Toyotas are not good with after market converters and not
good with after market downstream sensors. Correct, And I know
for sure that the downstream sensor was from AutoZone. Okay, So,
and I've also read that it's the combination of the
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after market converter and downstream sensor can be a cause
of the four twenty. So I'm thinking about going ahead
and getting the toyota, you know, the OEM downstream sensor.
I see if that helps it. And he went ahead
and put in a spacer, and he said, that's like
a fifty to fifty shot.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
You know.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And it didn't work.
It came back like within fifteen miles. Oh, and the
thing is my mileage had gone back up one mile.
It's up to fifteen, but it's not back to the
nineteen it had been the whole time I've had it.
So I just wondering if you had any thoughts on it.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
So originally, why was the converter replaced? Did you have
a PO four twenty to begin with?
Speaker 7 (31:22):
I it was something I had. I don't remember the code.
I had some code and my regular mechanic I go
to up here doesn't do exhaust. So he recommended a place,
you know, a local place. I went to him and
he said it needs a convert so I went ahead
and had to put in I'm guessing because to see
I just I looked up thinking, well, maybe I'll just
go ahead and bite the bullet and buy the oe
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in corovert it's discontinued because the cars sold. So I
can't even do that round.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Now I'm getting some feedback. You got a radio on
in the background, okay, and be my headphones, all right, So.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
I don't there's nothing. There's no manifold or anything like that.
What I want to see is that converter is the culprit.
So I think you again, originally you had a PO
four twenty. They put a converter in, but they put
an aftermarket in it, and they welded it in and
it's not up to the standards of the vehicle. I mean,
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these converters can be just universal, universal, meaning they can
put them on any car, but that doesn't mean that
it's fit for your car or up to the standards
as what the parameters of what.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
The vehicle has to have.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
So don't put any more, don't put any more downstream
or you know, downstream or upstream, O two sensors on it.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Don't do anything with the manifold.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
What I want to see is you need to get
the proper converter put on that thing. Now again, going
back to your point where hey, because it's A ninety seven,
it's not available. I don't want to see any but
he try to weld one in if you can get
one that is already manufactured with it in it, and
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typically they're usually a little bit more up to snuff
or up to par as to what the standards of
the vehicle are.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
When you talk about it already being in it, are
you talking about like the full exhaust system.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yeah, no, not the whole exhaust system, just the section
that has the converter in it.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
That is bult at all.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Oh, I got you would know what you mean by that, right, correct?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
What I would recommend you do? It says here you
live in Middletown. It's a little bit of a distance,
but I have a great I have a great shop
that I work with that does a lot of my
exhaust work. And it's called Smith Muffler. Okay, it's just
over the river. I mean you can see Paul Round
Stadium from their shop.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
Okay, Oh, I thought you used the guy that was
right next to your pleasant Ridge shot.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I use them for Ridge Transmission is who.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
No, No, I'm sorry, it's the transmission one. Yeah, I'm yes, right,
my mistake.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
That's okay.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
So Ridge Transmission is who I recommend all of my
transmission work to. But as far as exhaust goes, Smith
Muffler is who I would recommend you take that vehicle to.
They're gonna shoot you straight. They're great guys. They do
a tremendous amount of work for me. They've never ever,
you know, not taking care of me. They're they're and again,
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you know the thing is is because it is the
ninety seven, and it's gonna be a little bit more difficult,
but they're gonna be able to get you take your
problem taken care of. I can guarantee it. If not,
you can call me personally. But they'll get the car
back up and run. And but I mean, I'll be
more happy to take a look at it for you.
But what I'm willing to bet from what you're telling
me is that converted that they wilded and put in.
(35:01):
It's just it's not up to the standard of the
vehicle and what the car needs to I wouldn't chase
your tail with putting manifolds or downstream or upstream.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
I want to see that converter replaced properly.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
And again, we could do it, but I would have
to replace the whole section, which is fine. It's a
little bit more expensive. But again Smith Muffler would would
be able to also take care of you as well,
because that's what they do, that's what they're ex I mean,
that's at least that's how they started the business.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
That's what their expertise. They do other things, but I
would you know.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Again, I'd be more happy to look at it for
you or if you want to take it to them,
but do not. I wouldn't replace anything else until at
least I could look at it or let them look
at kind of see what's going on there, because.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
They be able to look at the converter that the
Muffer shop put in and tell me if it's the
right one or if it's not a good one for it.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Correct. Yeah, because any.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Any Joe, any Joe could just go buy converter and
welded in there. But it's these cars nowadays, you know,
even I know it's in ninety seven, but even back
in those days, I mean it's still needed to you know,
there are other things that could be causing it. But again,
you had a four to twenty code to begin with.
They cut out the old one, they welded in a
new one, and then what how much how much was
(36:26):
it you said it was like days, and it came
back on.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
Like three days. Yeah, so again they did do what
you said because they told me they were only doing
the manifold. They weren't replacing any other parts the converter.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
They're only doing converter.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean I remember that specifically.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, I mean, if you want to bring it to me,
I'll gladly take a look at it for you.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
I won't charge you.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
We'll get it up in there, let's see what's going on,
and then or or call them one or the other
will do and then if you have any Yeah, Kevin,
if you have any more questions, again, you can call
me at my new location Donovan's Auto Form. Be more
than happy to take care of any of your questions.
Just let my guys know that, Hey, I talked to
(37:13):
Dan on.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
The radio show.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
And because they do, they do a tremendous job of
screening my phone calls, because I get a lot of
them that you know, want to want me to switch
my Duke energy, you know, electric and all this nonsense.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
So just let him.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Know, Hey, I talked to Dane on the radio show
and he said to call and I'll be more happy
to try to help you out as well through the process.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
All right, and now I look at it for you.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
Okay, how do you think if I do put it
the right sib verterand do you think that might help demileage?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Now again again, if it's a O two sensor that
isn't doing its job, again the O two sensor, you're
downstream O two cent I'm sorry, you're upstream O two censor. Basically,
what the converter does is it acts as a furnace, right,
It burns off any unburned fuel. So you've got an
upstream sensor that tests that exhaust. If there's too much
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fuel in it, it goes through the converter. The converter
is designed to build, you know, burn that off, and
then the downstream O two sensor is supposed to test again.
If there's still too much fuel in it, then it
says it tells the car, hey, we need to use
less fuel.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
But if those two.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Sensors aren't working properly or the converter's not doing its job,
it's gonna throw those sensors off.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
So what do they do.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
They go come to a like a default, right, so
they don't know how much fuel to use, so they're
gonna just dump fuel in the car to make sure
that the car stays running right. So those components are
are key. But again we need to get back to
the source of the converter. What kind of converter they
put in it? Before we go, we're placing all these
other parts, is.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
What I all right? And Kevin, if you've got any
more questions.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
All right, right, thank you, bye bye, all right, real
quick taking your car questions. The number to call five one, three, seven, four,
fifty five hundred. Again, I don't think I'm gonna get
to everybody. Man, You guys really do appreciate it. I
really do appreciate you calling in the respect of waiting online.
Just I'm running out of time. I do apologize. I
will be back next Saturday. In the meantime, you can
(39:15):
always call me at my shop at work. But so,
all right, coming up, We've got Opie, Richard, John.
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the all the shops, and I really do appreciate all
(40:22):
the phone calls, and we really do. I I can't
speak for everybody else, but I really do enjoy what
I you know, what I do, and uh, in fact
so much that I'm here every Saturday to answer people's
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out as best I possibly can. And you can always
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(40:44):
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You know, if you don't want to call the show,
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Monday through Friday if I if I'm not available by phone,
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I'm not here to have you bring your car to me.
I'm here to try to help you out. So if
(41:05):
you guys are like, hey, I love my mechanic, but
I have this problem where I have this question, that's
what I'm here for.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
I'm not here to drum up business.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I'm here to help you out in any way that
I possibly can and guide you through that process. I
really do enjoy doing that and trying to help people out.
So all right, let's go back to the phones you've
got OPI man, you've been holding for quite a time.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
I really do appreciate it. How can I help you?
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Oh, I hope you can fix this problem. I'll do
my best dollars all right?
Speaker 7 (41:36):
Oh, seven f two fifty.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
My wife loves her truck and she does a lot
of towing. Boss Truck had about ninety thousand miles on it,
about ten thousand miles in it. Granaate of the Torque
and Burger I had transmission redone. God did transmission. And
of course Ford says, every thirty thousand miles change that
change food in the field, okay, and so well, they
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rebuilt the transmission and they put an oem Fortuin in it,
and it grenaded again in about ten thousand miles. Fortunately
that was under warranty, and he well, he wouldn't even
need ten thousand miles. But what I'm wanting, I'm still
doing this. I'm still doing this. My daughter comes over
and changes the transmission. Flood and the field in this thing,
(42:26):
and it cost me two hundred dollars to change the
I mean, is it really necessary? I mean, I'm driving
an S ten. I'm driving an S ten with a
seven hundred or four in it. It's got two hundred
thousand miles on it, and the flood ain't ever been
out of the transmission. I mean, is it really is
it really necessary? I mean, it's bad enough that cost
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me one hundred and twenty five dollars change all on
that truck, and then every thirty thousand miles is another
that's another two hundred dollars to change the change that
the transmission flood.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
No, I don't think it's no necessary.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
You know, I would say that when I got into
this industry twenty five years ago.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
You know, these cars were.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Designed, they were different, they were designed differently, and the
fluids were recommended to be changed quite a bit. Now
you got we're here at twenty twenty four and now nobody,
none of these manufacturers recommend changing fluids at all.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Well, I will tell I will tell you my mom
and my uncle both have hivvy equinoxes, and they got
the four sylvers in them, and they got to put
a quarter oil in and both of thems like fifty
sixty thousand miles and they got to put a quarter
of oil in them every thousand miles.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
No, you know you're you're you're you're standing on standing
on your on your soapbox preaching about cars burning oil.
I know that for a fact. Yeah, I'm just trying
to figure out. I'm just trying to figure out if
I really think you to spend two hundred and fifty
bucks and a damn Saturday to change change the transmissed
food in my wife's truck.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
No, how many miles around? Is it a diesel or gas?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, it's a day'el with six oh, it's a six Oh.
It's been it's been bulletproofed. It's got the it did
everything Ford should have done. It's got the head stuffs
been done right. Uh, yard delete and the catlyt converted.
Delete and then it's got a tuner on it.
Speaker 7 (44:23):
And I'm up.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
But now I will say that my wife she's got horses,
so she does a lot of towing.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
But you know, I mean no.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
I mean so I mean to get to your cause
I'm running the time. No, I don't think you need
to do it every thirty thousand. Now you are toning
your tone horses. But if you it's a diesel or whatnot, No,
I don't think you need to do it thirty I
mean I would, you know, stretch it out a little bit.
I mean, do it at do it at forty five thousand,
do it at forty forty five.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Stretch it a little bit. But make sure that you're
checking the level.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
That's the more important thing is not necessarily how how
often you're changing it, just makes that the level is
checked and that the level is correct. That's the more
important thing. But I think at forty forty five I
wouldn't go past forty five on that. But no, you
don't have to do it at thirty. I really don't.
So all right, everybody, I appreciate it. Everybody have a great,
(45:16):
great weekend.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
I'm sorry that I couldn't get to everybody. Please call
me back next weekend. Everybody have a great, great weekend,
enjoy the rest of it, and we listen to our
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On the road again.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Just can't wait to get on the road again.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
You have done.
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Good afternoon and welcome to the car show on fifty
five k r C.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
Yes, I am back. I apologize.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I had a little bit of a had some things
to do the past two weeks. I do apologize. Like
I said, I am back here. Take all of your
car questions. The number to call five one three, Sorry
that so be numbers that I gotta remember, five to one, three, seven,
nine fifty five hundred. Again, taking all of your car questions.
(00:55):
Love to hear from you. Uh, it's a gorgeous Saturday afternoon,
and what what better time than take care of your
car and talk about cars.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I mean, that's that's what we're here for.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Uh here every Saturday to take all of your car
questions again. Then I'm gonna call five one three, seven,
nine fifty five hundred. So yeah, it's it's been a
little bit of a busy, hectic, uh hectic a couple
of weeks. But to celebrate my son's birthday, my wife's birthday,
and the kids going back to school, right, and that's
kind of the topic that I'm gonna hit on today,
(01:27):
is getting the kids back to school and getting back
into the realm of normalcy.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
So you know, we we have that three months.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Of off and taking vacations and whatnot, but it's time
to start going back to getting back into our normal routines.
And that is getting the kids to school, making sure
that we're making practices, making sure that we're getting the
cars in, making sure that we're getting you know, you know,
getting to the dentist or whatever it is. Right, So
(01:58):
we've get that, we get that three months of you know,
kind of a break, right. It's not so much for
it's not so much a break for my wife or
the mothers that stay at home with their kids all summer, right,
because that can be usually by uh well I by bye.
By the time I left this afternoon, I'm like, well,
I'm going on the radio show.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
I'mbo've done with these kids. They're happ I mean nuts.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
But anyways, again, taking your car questions them call five one, three, seven, four,
nine fifty five hundred. Love to hear from you, love
to hear your car questions. And again, you know, we're
talking cars. So whatever pertains to to the vehicle, whether
it's air conditioning, whether it's maintenance, whether it's hey, Dane,
(02:43):
what do you think? What are your thoughts about this
new or used vehicle? That's what I'm here for. I'm
here again every Saturday from one to two. Love to
hear from you, and I love to take your car questions.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I do it all day long, right Monday.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Through Friday, but then I come in on Saturday and
try to help everybody out that I possibly can. So
I want to touch briefly on something I kind of
struck me earlier this week. And you know, struck me
in the sense that I I don't I don't agree
with how these new cars are manufactured and whatnot. But
(03:19):
so I had a twenty nineteen Honda Odyssey. Okay, twenty
nineteen cars five years old, right, you spend a lot.
I mean there's odyssees, are you know, depending upon which
one you get, you know, they're forty fifty thousand dollars right.
And I had a customer come in and the air
conditioning wasn't working right.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
And.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
It has a new free on and it's called one
two three four y f it's very expensive free on.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
It's supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
More friendly, environment friendly and whatnot. So it's a lot
more expensive right, So a typical most of the time,
most of my career at Donovan Tire, an AC to
recharge was around one hundred and twenty five hundred and
fifty bucks, dependent upon how much free on I used.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Right nowadays.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
With the new.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Freeon UH, free on recharge is around starts at three
hundred can top out at about three hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Now.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I have talked about this on the show multiple times. Unfortunately,
the only way that you can diagnose an AC properly
is that you have to make sure that the freeon
level is correct and then it's at the correct level.
If you put too much free on in a vehicle,
it won't work. If you don't use enough free on,
it won't work. So you have to do and there's
no eyeglass, there's no dipstick that you can check this
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free on level. You have to use a machine. That's
the only way that you can do it right. Very frustrating.
So in order for me to try to figure out
why this air conditioning is not working, I need to
make sure.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
That the level is where it needs to be.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
So there's a process there, and again, dependent upon how
low the freon is it could be anywhere between with
the new free on three hundred to three hundre fifty dollars. Okay,
So we have to start there before we do anything else.
This isn't a diagnostic charge. This is merely what we
have to do in order to figure out why the
air conditioning is not working. Okay, there's no other way
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to do it. It's the proper way to do it. Okay,
if you had to, and I've mentioned this before, if
you have an inner tube, that's you know, you got
to pull. Let's say let's say you have a you know,
a pool float, right and it's flat. Well, the only
way that you can figure out where the where the
hole is and the float is to fill it back up, right,
So we have to make sure that that's done right.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
And if the pool float is a little flimsy or it,
you know it, it's.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Lacking air, right, the only way you know how much
air is in it. And so you get my point.
But anyways, so we have to start there, right. So
this car is five years old and we have to
start this process. We do that turns out that it
was a little low, but it wasn't the call. It
wasn't the reason why the air conditioning wasn't working, and
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it was because the compressor was bad.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
It was not working.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Now, I've been doing this for twenty five years and
my twenty five year career. You could always buy an
AC compressor. You could just call the dealer, or you
could call a aftermarket warehouse or whatnot. And if I
call you and I say I need an AC compressor,
it comes complete. It comes with every component that you
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need in order to get the job done well. Earlier
this week we had one that was again twenty nineteen.
I called to order a compressor Honda. And I'm not
picking on Honda. I like Honda's They're my favorite manufacturer. However,
what I'm upset about is the fact that how they
are now presenting their parts.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
So I call and get a price on a compressor.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
They gave me a price of like thirteen hundred dollars okay,
just for the compressor. That does not include the labor,
that doesn't the whole Job's like three thousand dollars okay
to put a compressor on this car.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
This car is five years old. Mind you, This is
absurd in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
But anyways, however, they do not Honda does not sell
just the compressor the whole unit. They sell the compressor,
the coil, and the clutch all separate, and then you
have to put them together. And there's no with it
being only five years old, there's no other outlets, there's
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no other, no other.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Nowhere else can you buy this part?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Now?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Most people say, well, Dan, what about to use one? Well, maybe,
but it's a twenty nineteen the cars five you're not.
You may find a used one, but that's going to
be very difficult to do so because it's because of
how new it is. Okay, so now they don't even
sell you the whole unit anymore. They're selling you it
in parts and you have to put it together.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Another source of not allowing you to work on your
own vehicle, which again uh, in my opinion is is
it's just not the way, the right way. So they
continue to make it more and more difficult. And I
was talking to a customer earlier this week on an Audi.
She needed some type of module. I can't remember the
name of it. Again, a module is just a fancy
(08:14):
word for a computer.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
So your vehicle, most of your vehicles that are you're driving,
that are you know at least ten years old or newer.
They have modules. They have computers and they run everything.
You've got a module that runs the engine. You got
a module that runs the transmission. You got a module
that runs the electronics. You got a module that runs
your radio. Right, So she had a module out. I
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mean it was a twenty sixteen Audi car, was impeccable shape,
great condition, never was abused or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Just the module failed.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Right, Well, the module, there's none in the country and
it would have to come from Germany. It would be
a month away in order for us to get this thing.
So the customer was talking to me. She goes, well,
you know, Dan, I always bring my.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Other Lexus to your reach road location.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And they always tell me that it's you know, it's
a twenty eleven, and they just tell me to keep
it going.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
And you know, they never want me to get.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Rid of it.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
They say, just to keep it as long as I
possibly can. And I said, I wholeheartedly would agree. And
she even said the guy said, they don't they don't
make cars that they used to.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I'm like, no, they.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Don't, and it's it's it's for me to watch it.
It's kind of frustrating, right, because I feel that, you know,
sometimes duped as far as like what we're promised as
far as these vehicles and how long they're supposed to last.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Can your vehicle last three hundred thousand miles in today's standards?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Will it cost you an arm and a leg most
likely because of the technology, right, because of all the computers,
because of all the modules.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
And again you know.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I again I've talked about it on the show as well.
I have a I can find a use this example
all the times, a bunny mine's porch.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I can find a fuel in injector for seventy three
Porsche easier than I can find an AC compressor for
a five year old Honda Odyssey.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Now, Honda Odyssey is one.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Of the most mass produced vehicles out there, but of
course they didn't have it in stock.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
You have to order it and whatnot. I had a fuel.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Injector for seventy three Porsche that I bought on Amazon
and had the very next day by ten o'clock. But
then you can't get any of these parts, so it
is I'm what I'm here to tell you is, if
you have an older vehicle, try to hang on to
it as long as you possibly can, because the way
that they're manufacturing and making these cars nowadays can be
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a bit frustrating, right, because you can't get the parts.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
It's hard to get the parts.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I mean a car that's, you know, a twenty sixteen
OUTI and again it was low miles. It was like
sixty thousand miles, impeccable shape, and just the component itself failed.
I mean, it wasn't anything that the customer could have prevented, right,
but there's none in the country, and you can't put
it use one in it because Audi well what they
call like burn the vent into the module. So you
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can't just take one out of a junk yard car
and put it in because it's not gonna work because
the vent is burned into the module and there's no
way that you can do that.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Not even the dealer can put that in. So on
some of these newer cars.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
So uh man, it's just if you, you know, stay
alert when you're out there trying to purchase a vehicle,
try to purchase one that has the least amount of
bells and whistles, because I mean, granted, yeah, it's it's
it's nice to have the car do everything but drive
for you.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
I mean even the newer cars do drive for you.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
But that technology is going to fail, and when it fails,
it's going to be very expensive to replace if you
can even replace it.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
So, uh, just give that thought.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
When you're ready to purchase a new vehicle, give that
some thought.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
So I just was appalled by the fact that you
could not buy an AC compressor for this vehicle anymore
because you have to buy it in parts and you
have to build it.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
So just, in my opinion, is kind of absurd.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
But uh, taking your phone calls and I'm gonna call
five one three seven four nine fifty five hundred. That
number again, five one three seven four nine fifty five
hundred coming up.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
We have Dave and Richard.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
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Speaker 8 (12:45):
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Speaker 4 (12:51):
Taking your car questions again, there were the number to
call five one, three, seven four nine fifty five hundred.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Let's get to the phones.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
I wanted to get that off my chest because man,
it just it's it's frustrating, because you know, you know,
we all work hard for money. We you know, we
want a nice car. We need a car to get
back and forth to work. And it's just harder and
harder and harder for the average American to just have
a car and just try to live on with their lives. Right.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Our cars shouldn't take up all of our money and
all of our energy. But it's twenty twenty four. What
are you gonna do?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
So all right, let's go to the phones. We've got Dave, Hey, Dave,
welcome to the car show.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
How can I help?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (13:32):
Dan did you try looking on the computer for the ac.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Compressor for that for that vehicle.
Speaker 9 (13:41):
Yeah, the vehicle you were talking about.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah, I mean you can.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
The resources that I had locally could not get me one.
But the only place that we could find one and
in pieces was from Honda.
Speaker 9 (14:01):
The computer. You couldn't find nothing on the computer for it.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Uh No, not not locally outsourd.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
I mean not locally.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
I mean I'm sure you know somebody down in maybe
Texas or California has one, but nothing locally could we
find one that was that was complete.
Speaker 9 (14:16):
It was too new m Yeah, they just mail it
to you that right. It says in Texas or California.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Oh they could. But you know, most people can't wait
a week to have their car.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
I mean you know that.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You know, this is a family that has you know,
you know, three car seats in it. I mean this
is their daily driver. They're driving their kids around and
they don't have that. I know that there may have
been some time that but we sometime that they don't
have time to wait for that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (14:46):
So they wanted yesterday, don't they.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah, I mean that's that's how most people need their car.
I mean I've been doing this a long time. Everybody
needs their car back yesterday, but no, I mean we
couldn't find we could can source anything locally quickly and
get it.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Back to them the same days.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Because what we do is we promised that as long
as parts are available, our our model is to get
the car in the morning, get it looked at, get
it diagnosed, get the parts, and get.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
It back to you by the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Right.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Sometimes it could be the day after. But the only
place we could find the parts that we could get
it quick get it back to them as quick as
we possibly could, would be from the dealer.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
And it was coming in pieces.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
No local sources had one in stock completely ready to go.
Speaker 9 (15:35):
That's first class service, getting it back to them at
the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
And I mean that's our goal.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
I mean it doesn't always happen, but that's that's what
my grandfather built the business own, was getting the car
back to you in the same day, you know, because
it's it's hard for people to be without their car,
right You've got work to get to, You've got kids
schools to get to, you got practice to get to.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
I mean, it's it's so we try to always, you know,
and it's a it's a massive inconvenience when you don't
have your car right. Not everybody has just you know,
a secondary source of being able to you know. Sometimes
customers are like, oh, you know, my neighbor said I
could borrow my car, borrow their car.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
My parents said I could borrow their car.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
So it's just a big inconvenience. So people don't want
to wait days to try to get their car fixed.
Speaker 9 (16:18):
I called the day. I called you last month about
a check engine light that occasionally lights up ninety one
Monster six twenty six, and I got the DBD one
wires and stuff. If I told you what votage each
wire come through, could you tell me which two wires
to hook the paper clip up to?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
I mean I could, yes, I could, I couldn't. I
would need a wiring diagram, and I can do that
if you call. Can you call me at work on Monday?
Speaker 9 (16:51):
Yeah? Or just there's only two plugs and it's got
three wires and one plug and the other plug or
thee oh they're connected? Is only got two wires in
it one zero point seventy five volts. The others point
zero two volts and then you got one it's got
twelve fifty three coming through it. Twelve volts. Yeah. Then
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the other connectors got point zero two and point zero four.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I mean, like I said, I could, I just I
would like to. I don't have it.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
I don't have access to the all of the all
of my tools at work. Can you call me like
Monday or Tuesday and I can walk you through that,
just so I have you know the software in front
of me that that you know because every car youar
make model whatnot. I need a wiring diagram and I
need to see what you know, what the votage needs
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to be and whatnot.
Speaker 9 (17:47):
Okay, can you give me your phone number?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Yeah, when you're ready, I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
It's UH area code five one three okay seven three
one eight nine eight nine. So five one three, seven
three one eight nine eight nine.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
And again just call.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Just when you call and talk to either MIC or CHIP,
just say hey, listen.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
I spoke with Dane Saturday on the radio.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
He told me to give him a call and we'll
we'll get we'll walk through all that and I'll pull
up the wiring diagrams or when I just don't have
access to that in front of me.
Speaker 9 (18:21):
A vacuum we can cause that light to light up, right.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, what was I mean? Sure a vacuum leak. I
mean it could, Yeah, I mean it could. It depended
upon But again, we've got to jump those wires and
figure out what code we're dealing with. You don't correct
me if I'm wrong, but you don't have the actual
code yet. You're trying to figure out which two wires
you need to jump on that connector correct?
Speaker 9 (18:44):
Right, Yeah, there's a two different two different connectors and
then there's just one connect one plug that's got one
connector one wire going to it's like twelve twelve vaults. Also,
so somebody's telling me you might want to hook the
twelve volts up to one of the lower foldigh wire.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah, I mean I I want to make sure that
I give you the correct information. So just give me
a buzz on Monday and we'll we'll uh, I'll tell you, I'll.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Figure we'll figure it.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Out, all right. I appreciate that, all right, all right, Dave,
take care, appreciate it all right. By by uh, something
on a ninety one can be uh again because there
it wasn't OBD two. So most of the newer cars, again,
you plug them into a computer.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Most of the computers will tell you what to do.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
But back in the day you would have a connector,
but you would have to take like a paper clip
and jump to wires in order to determine exactly what
the code was. I just want to make sure I
give him the proper information, and and just you know,
I just don't have it in front of me at
the moment. So all right, let's go back to the phones.
We've got Richard. Hey, Richard, welcome to the car show.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
How can I help? Richard? Are you there? Hello, Richard? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Uh Richard, yep. All right, So all right, let's go.
Let's go to Bob. Hey, Bob, welcome to the car show.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
How can I help?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah? Hi, I really love your show. And wife hates
it though, because, like you, I do not let her
get a new car. We have a nine Honda Cord.
It is beautiful, one hundred and sixty thousand miles, looks
like today. We've got it off the showroom floor, perfect
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leather interior, did one hundred thousand miles deal and it's
just a beautiful car. Well, she's seventy years old. I thought, well,
I'll get her a new Ocre. We love Hondas. So
I go out and I look at the acre and
I'm thinking about getting one, and I'm.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Looking through the specs.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
In this car takes ninety one preferred ninety one octae.
It's a two point four Leader, And that's the same
engine they put into the Accords. And how important is that?
Because I've got nieces and nephews that have new cords.
They don't know that they're using eighty seven octane in
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there in there, and there's their cords, and that's I
hate to use the ninety one octane in the in
the Acura because that's a dollar more gallon.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
So it's you're serious to what you.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Thought about using eighty seven octane. I'm at it in
in the say a new Acro two point four, whether
they're supercharged or that Honda. Uh, it's the same engine.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Man, I'll be honest with you, Bob, I really and
all the times that I've in all the years that
I've been doing this, I've never been able to link
eighty seven octane or ninety one octane due to a
problem because of the gas that was put in the vehicle.
It's really really hard to try to figure out if
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there was that was the result of, you know, cheap gas. Now,
what I can tell you is most of the people
that I mean, how do I put this, most customers
or most people, even my own personal family and friends,
they put the cheapest thing in their in their car
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as they possibly can. That's what I think in my opinion.
I don't quote me on this, but in my opinion,
most people, probably I don't know not eighty ninety percent
of people put the cheapest thing that they can in
their car. That's the that's the general consensus that I get.
(22:34):
Everybody wants to drive around all over the city just
to make sure that they get the cheapest price, and
they want to put the cheapest thing in the car.
So and again, I've never been able to link a
car problem or a car issue because they used didn't
use the proper octane. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but
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I kind of think sometimes that I think it's kind
of a forest. I don't I you know, I have
put cheaper gas in my in some of my cars.
I've put the most expensive gas in my cars. I
don't get any more mileage. I don't get any more.
I don't get a different performance. Some people say that, oh,
if you put the higher octane, you get better fuel economy,
and I've just never been able to link cheaper gas
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to a car problem. So I don't think even if
you buy the new car you need to put that.
You know that, again, is a recommendation by the manufacturer.
That is not the car can run on the eighty seven. Absolutely,
that's just the recommendation. So I wouldn't defer. I wouldn't
not buy a vehicle just because it takes that or
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it's recommended, because again, I've never been able to I've
never seen Yeah and again, and I've said this multiple
times about the show, I'm not worried about gas. I'm
not worried about what type of gas you're putting in
your car. I'm worried about making sure that the oil
has changed regularly and that you're checking it regularly. That's
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the most important thing that you can possibly do for
your car, because we've been completely confused as to when
we should change it. What the car says, what the
manufacturer says, and that's I think that's the bigger, the
bigger question. The bigger problem, it's it's not gas.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, because we do it every five thousand miles on
oil oil, change the tires every ten thousand.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
And you stick to that absolutely all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And you have the toole synthetic And like I said,
one hundred and sixty thousand miles in this car, I
have put maybe one thousand dollars into it, and I
can't it's just a beautiful car. But I think, Okay,
you've helped me make a decision on Accura. Yeah, you
a happy girl.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, the Accura is I love Accuras again, great manufacturer.
If you can maybe keep that car or maybe sell
it to a you.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Know, oh yeah, yeah, I wouldn't get rid of that.
I would probably keep the extra car.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I would because those things, that thing you're going to
see it, there'll probably be multiple times where there's a
recall or something like that. On that new card. She's
going to need something and so but uh, yeah, you know,
I would not.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I would.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I wouldn't not buy the vehicle just because of what's recommended.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Truly, I don't appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Hey you're welcome. You have a great day too, Hi, Bob.
Huh I appreciate it. Again, you know, manufacturers will put
out or recommended what you what fuel type you should
put in. But the general consensus from what I've seen
and what I've spoke to my customer base and again
even family and friends, most people, and again there's I
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don't hold I don't have the numbers, but in my opinion,
I would say nine out of ten people put the
cheapest thing that they can in their vehicles. I could
be wrong on that, but I would. You know, in general, concert,
I don't have a customer that comes to me and go, oh, yeah,
I put the most expensive gas in my car every time.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I've never had that conversation, and not at least not
with a customer. It's just not a conversation that we
typically have. But uh, again, I've never been able to
link putting the cheaper gas in your vehicle to a
car problem.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Again with Bob.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
With my argument with Bob was, I'm not worried about
the gas that you're putting in it, and I'm worried
about how often you're changing oil and how often you're
checking it. That's the bigger question. That's the bigger problem. Uh,
Because every single day. I'm not having a conversation with
the customer because they put cheap gas in their car.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I'm having a you know, a.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Conversation with the customer because they've got a problem with
the car and there's no oil in it. So that's
the bigger problem, not the not the particular type of
gas that you put in it. So uh, I thought
it was a great question. So all right again, taking
your phone calls and I never to call five one, three, seven, nine,
fifty five hundred.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Coming up.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
We have we have Kevin Opie and Richard's back. We
missed him and uh so yeah and uh again Kevin Opie, Richard,
you guys are all coming up.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
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Speaker 4 (27:52):
Taking your car questions. The number to call five one,
three seven nine fifty five hundred. I do apologize, man,
you guys have been absolute outstanding.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Man.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I've got a full board in front of me, so
I will do my absolute best to get to everybody.
I just want you to know too. I will be
back next Saturday to answer your car questions as well.
So if I do not get to you, please call
me back next week. I promise I'll get you. I'll
get to everybody as best I can some All right,
with that said, let's go back to the phone. So
(28:21):
we've got Kevin. Hey, Kevin, welcome to the car show.
How can I help?
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Well, thanks for th haking my call. I just talked
to your dad about a year and a half. Two
years ago, I had a new catalytics Inverger put in
my ninety seven avalon and three days later I got
a P four twenty. I called him up four shop.
He said he had noticed that the flex pipe was
starting to go, but it wasn't far enough that he
(28:47):
would worry about it. House he could go out and
five thousand miles or could be fifty thousand miles. So
I didn't do anything about it didn't affect anything. And
then two to three months ago I had noticed I
was starting to get less guessed, you know, per mile
it was nineteen, dropped down to seventeen, and then it
dropped down to like fourteen. So I hooked up my
scanner and I had a P four forty six, and
(29:09):
from talking to a few mechanics, I found that the
you know, the common reasons would be either the vent
valve or the charcoal canister, which are you know, the
vin valves connected to that. So I got a new canister,
including the vent valve, from a Toyota dealer. My mechanic
put it on so far that's gone away. And then
I stopped and at a different muffle shop that's close
to me down in Hamilton, and he looked under it,
(29:30):
you know with the run, and said, oh, your flex
pack sleek, And so he would ahead to put a
new one of those on, and also discovered a small
league similar you know, in one of the pipes that
he welded and cleared the code and it came back,
you know, within ten miles. So I stopped back the
next day and he said, the only other place that
could be would be like there and take manifold. Does
(29:52):
that sound right? Or it would be the exhaust manifold
the manifold, and he said it would cost more than
the car's worth, you know, to do that.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Okay, let me let me backtrack here.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Okay, the the catalytic converter that was put in, was
it a factory man uh converter or was the old
one just cut out and they put an aftermarket converter
in it.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
I'm guessing they put an after market because one of
the things I read about the four twenty is that
Toyotas are not good with after market converters and not
good with after market downstream sensors. Correct, And I know
for sure that the downstream sensor was from AutoZone. Okay, So,
and I've also read that it's the combination of the
(30:41):
after market converter and downstream sensor can be a cause
of the four twenty. So I'm thinking about going ahead
and getting the toyota, you know, the OEM downstream sensor.
I see if that helps it. And he went ahead
and put in a spacer, and he said, that's like
a fifty to fifty shot.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
You know.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And it didn't work.
It came back like within fifteen miles. Oh, and the
thing is my mileage had gone back up one mile.
It's up to fifteen, but it's not back to the
nineteen it had been the whole time I've had it.
So I just wondering if you had any thoughts on it.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
So originally, why was the converter replaced? Did you have
a PO four twenty to begin with?
Speaker 7 (31:22):
I it was something I had. I don't remember the code.
I had some code and my regular mechanic I go
to up here doesn't do exhaust. So he recommended a place,
you know, a local place. I went to him and
he said it needs a convert so I went ahead
and had to put in I'm guessing because to see
I just I looked up thinking, well, maybe I'll just
go ahead and bite the bullet and buy the oe
(31:44):
in corovert it's discontinued because the cars sold. So I
can't even do that round.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Now I'm getting some feedback. You got a radio on
in the background, okay, and be my headphones, all right, So.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
I don't there's nothing. There's no manifold or anything like that.
What I want to see is that converter is the culprit.
So I think you again, originally you had a PO
four twenty. They put a converter in, but they put
an aftermarket in it, and they welded it in and
it's not up to the standards of the vehicle. I mean,
(32:24):
these converters can be just universal, universal, meaning they can
put them on any car, but that doesn't mean that
it's fit for your car or up to the standards
as what the parameters of what.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
The vehicle has to have.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
So don't put any more, don't put any more downstream
or you know, downstream or upstream, O two sensors on it.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Don't do anything with the manifold.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
What I want to see is you need to get
the proper converter put on that thing. Now again, going
back to your point where hey, because it's A ninety seven,
it's not available. I don't want to see any but
he try to weld one in if you can get
one that is already manufactured with it in it, and
(33:10):
typically they're usually a little bit more up to snuff
or up to par as to what the standards of
the vehicle are.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
When you talk about it already being in it, are
you talking about like the full exhaust system.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yeah, no, not the whole exhaust system, just the section
that has the converter in it.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
That is bult at all.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Oh, I got you would know what you mean by that, right, correct?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
What I would recommend you do? It says here you
live in Middletown. It's a little bit of a distance,
but I have a great I have a great shop
that I work with that does a lot of my
exhaust work. And it's called Smith Muffler. Okay, it's just
over the river. I mean you can see Paul Round
Stadium from their shop.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
Okay, Oh, I thought you used the guy that was
right next to your pleasant Ridge shot.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I use them for Ridge Transmission is who.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
No, No, I'm sorry, it's the transmission one. Yeah, I'm yes, right,
my mistake.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
That's okay.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
So Ridge Transmission is who I recommend all of my
transmission work to. But as far as exhaust goes, Smith
Muffler is who I would recommend you take that vehicle to.
They're gonna shoot you straight. They're great guys. They do
a tremendous amount of work for me. They've never ever,
you know, not taking care of me. They're they're and again,
(34:40):
you know the thing is is because it is the
ninety seven, and it's gonna be a little bit more difficult,
but they're gonna be able to get you take your
problem taken care of. I can guarantee it. If not,
you can call me personally. But they'll get the car
back up and run. And but I mean, I'll be
more happy to take a look at it for you.
But what I'm willing to bet from what you're telling
me is that converted that they wilded and put in.
(35:01):
It's just it's not up to the standard of the
vehicle and what the car needs to I wouldn't chase
your tail with putting manifolds or downstream or upstream.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
I want to see that converter replaced properly.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
And again, we could do it, but I would have
to replace the whole section, which is fine. It's a
little bit more expensive. But again Smith Muffler would would
be able to also take care of you as well,
because that's what they do, that's what they're ex I mean,
that's at least that's how they started the business.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
That's what their expertise. They do other things, but I
would you know.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Again, I'd be more happy to look at it for
you or if you want to take it to them,
but do not. I wouldn't replace anything else until at
least I could look at it or let them look
at kind of see what's going on there, because.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
They be able to look at the converter that the
Muffer shop put in and tell me if it's the
right one or if it's not a good one for it.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Correct. Yeah, because any.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Any Joe, any Joe could just go buy converter and
welded in there. But it's these cars nowadays, you know,
even I know it's in ninety seven, but even back
in those days, I mean it's still needed to you know,
there are other things that could be causing it. But again,
you had a four to twenty code to begin with.
They cut out the old one, they welded in a
new one, and then what how much how much was
(36:26):
it you said it was like days, and it came
back on.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
Like three days. Yeah, so again they did do what
you said because they told me they were only doing
the manifold. They weren't replacing any other parts the converter.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
They're only doing converter.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean I remember that specifically.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, I mean, if you want to bring it to me,
I'll gladly take a look at it for you.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
I won't charge you.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
We'll get it up in there, let's see what's going on,
and then or or call them one or the other
will do and then if you have any Yeah, Kevin,
if you have any more questions, again, you can call
me at my new location Donovan's Auto Form. Be more
than happy to take care of any of your questions.
Just let my guys know that, Hey, I talked to
(37:13):
Dan on.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
The radio show.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
And because they do, they do a tremendous job of
screening my phone calls, because I get a lot of
them that you know, want to want me to switch
my Duke energy, you know, electric and all this nonsense.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
So just let him.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Know, Hey, I talked to Dane on the radio show
and he said to call and I'll be more happy
to try to help you out as well through the process.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
All right, and now I look at it for you.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
Okay, how do you think if I do put it
the right sib verterand do you think that might help demileage?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Now again again, if it's a O two sensor that
isn't doing its job, again the O two sensor, you're
downstream O two cent I'm sorry, you're upstream O two censor. Basically,
what the converter does is it acts as a furnace, right,
It burns off any unburned fuel. So you've got an
upstream sensor that tests that exhaust. If there's too much
(38:05):
fuel in it, it goes through the converter. The converter
is designed to build, you know, burn that off, and
then the downstream O two sensor is supposed to test again.
If there's still too much fuel in it, then it
says it tells the car, hey, we need to use
less fuel.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
But if those two.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Sensors aren't working properly or the converter's not doing its job,
it's gonna throw those sensors off.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
So what do they do.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
They go come to a like a default, right, so
they don't know how much fuel to use, so they're
gonna just dump fuel in the car to make sure
that the car stays running right. So those components are
are key. But again we need to get back to
the source of the converter. What kind of converter they
put in it? Before we go, we're placing all these
other parts, is.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
What I all right? And Kevin, if you've got any
more questions.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
All right, right, thank you, bye bye, all right, real
quick taking your car questions. The number to call five one, three, seven, four,
fifty five hundred. Again, I don't think I'm gonna get
to everybody. Man, You guys really do appreciate it. I
really do appreciate you calling in the respect of waiting online.
Just I'm running out of time. I do apologize. I
will be back next Saturday. In the meantime, you can
(39:15):
always call me at my shop at work. But so,
all right, coming up, We've got Opie, Richard, John.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
And Randy. You're all coming up on fifty five KR
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Speaker 4 (39:59):
Take your car questions. You're listening to the car show
on fifty five care see. I'm Dan Donovan from Donovan's
Auto entire Center, third generation right. Grandfather started my uncle
and my father took it over and UH, my cousin
Kyle and I are now currently running the uh, you know,
the all the shops, and I really do appreciate all
(40:22):
the phone calls, and we really do. I I can't
speak for everybody else, but I really do enjoy what
I you know, what I do, and uh, in fact
so much that I'm here every Saturday to answer people's
car questions so that I can try to help people
out as best I possibly can. And you can always
call me at any of my shops again. Just donovantire
(40:44):
dot com ask for Dane. If you've got a car question.
You know, if you don't want to call the show,
that's fine. Uh, you could always call me at work
Monday through Friday if I if I'm not available by phone,
just leave a message. I'll be more than happy to
try to help you out. And you and I'm not
I'm not here to have you bring your car to me.
I'm here to try to help you out. So if
(41:05):
you guys are like, hey, I love my mechanic, but
I have this problem where I have this question, that's
what I'm here for.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
I'm not here to drum up business.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I'm here to help you out in any way that
I possibly can and guide you through that process. I
really do enjoy doing that and trying to help people out.
So all right, let's go back to the phones you've
got OPI man, you've been holding for quite a time.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
I really do appreciate it. How can I help you?
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Oh, I hope you can fix this problem. I'll do
my best dollars all right?
Speaker 7 (41:36):
Oh, seven f two fifty.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
My wife loves her truck and she does a lot
of towing. Boss Truck had about ninety thousand miles on it,
about ten thousand miles in it. Granaate of the Torque
and Burger I had transmission redone. God did transmission. And
of course Ford says, every thirty thousand miles change that
change food in the field, okay, and so well, they
(42:04):
rebuilt the transmission and they put an oem Fortuin in it,
and it grenaded again in about ten thousand miles. Fortunately
that was under warranty, and he well, he wouldn't even
need ten thousand miles. But what I'm wanting, I'm still
doing this. I'm still doing this. My daughter comes over
and changes the transmission. Flood and the field in this thing,
(42:26):
and it cost me two hundred dollars to change the
I mean, is it really necessary? I mean, I'm driving
an S ten. I'm driving an S ten with a
seven hundred or four in it. It's got two hundred
thousand miles on it, and the flood ain't ever been
out of the transmission. I mean, is it really is
it really necessary? I mean, it's bad enough that cost
(42:47):
me one hundred and twenty five dollars change all on
that truck, and then every thirty thousand miles is another
that's another two hundred dollars to change the change that
the transmission flood.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
No, I don't think it's no necessary.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
You know, I would say that when I got into
this industry twenty five years ago.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
You know, these cars were.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Designed, they were different, they were designed differently, and the
fluids were recommended to be changed quite a bit. Now
you got we're here at twenty twenty four and now nobody,
none of these manufacturers recommend changing fluids at all.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Well, I will tell I will tell you my mom
and my uncle both have hivvy equinoxes, and they got
the four sylvers in them, and they got to put
a quarter oil in and both of thems like fifty
sixty thousand miles and they got to put a quarter
of oil in them every thousand miles.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
No, you know you're you're you're you're standing on standing
on your on your soapbox preaching about cars burning oil.
I know that for a fact. Yeah, I'm just trying
to figure out. I'm just trying to figure out if
I really think you to spend two hundred and fifty
bucks and a damn Saturday to change change the transmissed
food in my wife's truck.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
No, how many miles around? Is it a diesel or gas?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, it's a day'el with six oh, it's a six Oh.
It's been it's been bulletproofed. It's got the it did
everything Ford should have done. It's got the head stuffs
been done right. Uh, yard delete and the catlyt converted.
Delete and then it's got a tuner on it.
Speaker 7 (44:23):
And I'm up.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
But now I will say that my wife she's got horses,
so she does a lot of towing.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
But you know, I mean no.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
I mean so I mean to get to your cause
I'm running the time. No, I don't think you need
to do it every thirty thousand. Now you are toning
your tone horses. But if you it's a diesel or whatnot, No,
I don't think you need to do it thirty I
mean I would, you know, stretch it out a little bit.
I mean, do it at do it at forty five thousand,
do it at forty forty five.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Stretch it a little bit. But make sure that you're
checking the level.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
That's the more important thing is not necessarily how how
often you're changing it, just makes that the level is
checked and that the level is correct. That's the more
important thing. But I think at forty forty five I
wouldn't go past forty five on that. But no, you
don't have to do it at thirty. I really don't.
So all right, everybody, I appreciate it. Everybody have a great,
(45:16):
great weekend.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
I'm sorry that I couldn't get to everybody. Please call
me back next weekend. Everybody have a great, great weekend,
enjoy the rest of it, and we listen to our
show on fifty five Koshi D Talk station
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