In her first live interview, the mother of a Columbine student - allegedly groomed by a female teacher, starting at the age of 15 as a high school sophomore - joins Dan in-studio to share her harrowing experience, hoping it serves as a cautionary tale for all parents of students in Colorado public schools. This case represents a symptom of a greater disease throughout Jefferson County Public Schools, and Dan intends to shine sunlight upon it and get to the bottom of what happened.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
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single day on your favorite podcast platform. One of the
most disturbing stories in decades out of a Colorado school,
and we're so privileged to have with us in studio
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right now the mother of the girl who at age fifteen,
and the mom's here and she's going to be anonymous
because that the hope is obviously to get her daughter
back in to resume a normal life after an ordeal
that's really unimaginable, Tenny of us as parents, or should
be to any citizens. So I want to just just
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turn it over to you man. Thank you for being here.
Sure appreciate it, and I certainly understand the need for anonymity.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And Allison Browner is here as well, who has a
private investigator who I've had on air before on this
topic and has done really superb workup on this. But
thank you for being here, Sorry for everything you're going through.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But without further delay, can you just tell people the
story of what happened to your daughter at Columbine.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Right, I would like to preface with just two things,
just to make sure people are aware of why we're
fighting this fight, and just kind of giving a little background,
if that's okay, And I'm actually just going to read
this just so I can make sure that I to
articulate it the way that I want it heard. I
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have the privilege of not working outside of our home.
I'm there when the kids get up, when they get
home from school, and help with homework. I attend school
functions and our children's sports activities. I'm home on the weekends.
We eat dinner together and go on family vacations. This
has always been the case. We were in our an
intact family union. So when we discovered not only Carnie,
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but five staff members at Columbine and two district employees
conspiring behind our backs and stripping away our parental rights
while these staff members inserted themselves as surrogate parents, we
quickly realized that if this can happen to our family,
this can happen to any child and family at Columbine
High School or any Jefferson County public school. I read
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this quote when we were in the beginning of this
nightmare in a People's magazine cover story of an abused
child and a quote trusted adult.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I copied it.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Down, came home and inserted our specific situation, and it
sums it up. If parents are the first line of
defense in protecting their children, how can that happen If
the culture at Columbine High School and Jefferson Public Schools
is for administration and staff to remove the parents from
the equation. With parents being eliminated, the predators have full
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abusive access to our children. My child, now an adult,
remains in an abusive relationship with her predator. My husband
and I cannot protect her from that. She will always
be our top concern and priority. But I can make
the public aware of what the staff at Columbine and
district employees did to our child and to our family.
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This was calculated, deliberate, and intentional. This was not a mistake.
They are capable of doing this again because no one
was held accountable by the Jefferson Public Schools District leadership.
Our family deserves and demands accountability.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So well said, Obviously, you're fighting to get your daughter
back and to save your daughter from the situation she's in,
but you're fighting to protect other people's children as well.
So as a parent, thank you for that. Our kids
are beyond high school h now, but thank you for that.
Please if you would just start by start at the
beginning and tell people the story of what happened to
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your daughter at columbun.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You know, it was her senior year.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Senior year started, we noticed a little bit of pushback
kind of added to change that type stuff. Talked to
a group of friends that I've known at this point
nineteen years and we've gone through all kinds of stuff together.
A lot of them had already had kids that have graduated,
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and they said, you know, not uncommon.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
They're starting to push boundaries.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Life's about to change real drastically once they graduate. And
kind of just chalked it up to that, not that
we weren't still paying attention, but it made sense. And
I even had a girlfriend said she wasn't allowed on
a family vacation because how horrible she was to her
parents for serving your year. So I was like, okay,
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and just kind of you know, she was involved in
sports four point six GPA, nothing else was really on
the radar in that sense.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And then we discovered.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Well, actually step back, when we were noticing there was
kind of this pushback and she wasn't really talking to us.
You know, my husband and I had said, we want,
we want you to go talk to somebody. So we
had found a reputable, reputable counselor that some family friends
had recommended and set up two appointments. Well, our child
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wouldn't sign the consent because being seventeen, you have to
consent to have this counseling session. So I had to
cancel both of those, and her conversation with us was
I don't need to go to a counselor. And again
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we said, go, I don't care if you talk about
how you want to paint your room a certain color.
If you're not talking to us, we want to give
you the tools to go talk to somebody. And that's
when she said she wasn't going to go and she
had people in adults that she was talking to at school.
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That was the first she told you that she told
us no names, and again, little bit of information that
you put back in the peace of your mind. April
was coming around. I had found that journal entry in
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her bedroom where it was dated I believe December about
kissing Carneye in the parking lot. Carnee was my child's
AP history teacher her sophomore year. That's how I know
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this individual. So my child would have been about fifteen
when she was in this teacher's classroom. So found this
journal entry, asked our child about it, got real defensive.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It was a dream.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
It was a dream again, Okay, we're documenting this.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Something is going on.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
She also stated that she would be moving out on
her eighteenth birthday.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And wouldn't tell us with who because she didn't want
us tracking down the adults. Okay, and I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
This is at the time you find the journal entry.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
It's yeah, it's probably a couple of weeks within each other.
There was mid April. I don't remember if I texted.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Carneie Carnie being.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
The teacher, yes, the predator teacher, before or after.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I found owned our daughter at her home.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
On Life through sixty, it gets all.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Let's do this if we may, because we have to
take a hard break here. But if you just joined us,
we're with the mother who is courageously trying to get
her daughter back and to let everybody know about what
happened to her daughter at Columbine High School. And if
you're new to this story, one of the absolutely stunning,
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shocking parts of this story is, as you'll soon hear
from our guest, people in authority got together at the
school and tried to take her daughter away. I mean,
like literally have forms executed declaring her daughter homeless so
the daughter could be moved out of our guests home
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and into the home of the teacher. So that part
of the story will cover next year on the Dan
Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show pod guest.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
One of the worst things a person can ever do
is take away the innocence of a child, and we're
here with a brave mother fighting to get her child back,
fighting to save other children. If you weren't with us
at the top, we won't repeat the whole story now,
but we'll continue from where we left off that the
ten second recap is a fifteen year old girl at Columbine,
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great student, great athlete, great home life, and then all
of a sudden, a female teacher takes an interest in her.
And then we get to this point where you've got
people in authority at the school getting together to sign
forms to have this student declared homeless, so she can
literally be taken away from the parents, taken out of
the parents home, and put in a teacher's home. I
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know it sounds impossible, but it actually happens. So picking
it up from there, ma'am. And when we went to
the break, and you know that the mother of this
child is remaining anonymous at this point for obvious reasons,
but really wants this story told. So when we went
to break, you're talking about how your daughter, she's a senior, now,
her personality changes. She's acting differently, she's not talking to
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you and you're not getting through. So you and your
husband bringing a counselor so she can talk to the counselor.
The counselor is she won't sign the forms for the counselor,
says she's talking to adults at school. You find a
note under her bed, a journal that talks about how
she was kissing this teacher, and then please pick it.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Up from there.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
So two days later, after finding this note, I texted
Miss Carney and I said, hile, Anne, this is SO
and So's mom. I'm respectfully asking you not to communicate
with my daughter. Of course, I did not receive any
type of response. The next day she is or actually
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that night she's supposed to be spending the night because
the next day everybody has PSATs and SATs at school,
so they do not. So she said she's going over
to a friend's house, which was not uncommon, and they
were going to wake up and do a sunrise hike. Again,
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this kid is extremely athletic, outdoorsy. This is not the
first time. I get up that next morning and just
check on Life three sixty to see, oh, did they
make it out? You know, did they oversleep that type thing?
Check the Life three sixty and she is over at
Carney's address. I mean, talk about a sick feeling in
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your stomach. Immediately texted her and said, I need you
to come home right now. She came home. We started
talking to her, and I believe at that point my
husband took her phone, she went downstairs and remotely erased
it from her chromebook. We knew at that point she
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will go at all costs to protect I'll call her predator.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
A predator.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
She told us that she would be moving out on
her eighteenth birthday. On that day, but not with who,
because she didn't want us tracking down the adults. And
again we're just writing all this stuff down because it's
going this is how is this all connected?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
What is going on? Again, she's athlete and.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
School, so where where are these adults from just kind
of trying to feel that out. I will say that
mom gut feeling comes into play and I thought, at
this point, I don't think we can go to Columbine
because I think this is where these adults are. We
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pulled full phone records at that point and there was
over sixteen hundred minutes of phone conversations between with this
teacher correct from November twenty first to April twenty twenty two,
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and this included one hundred and sixty one minute phone
conversation the day after I texted the teacher to not
communicate with my daughter. At that point, again, we were
just continuing to just document any little comment that she
made in the house, just trying to figure what was
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going on. And at this point, Carne left Columbine in
February for pre deploy leaf So we were under the
assumption that Carne was gone, so that immediate threat until
we noticed her on Life three sixty. We thought, Okay,
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this person isn't physically here. Right, there's some distance and
we'll figure out how to navigate this forward.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
But she's still in town.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Correct, Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
April twenty fifth, we had our first conversation with Todd Reeves,
the Division Chief of Criminal Investigation, and we were put
into contact with him. A family member had used a
PI when they were having issues with their daughter.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
So I reached out to this PI Carl.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
We did not hire him by any means or you know,
go track this person down, Go track that person down,
but try to figure out how do we proceed forward
and try to get information. And that's when he put
us into contact.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
With Chief Reeves.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
They used to work together, and he actually came to
our home and we talked to him for about two hours, and.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
The chief is from.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Jefferson County Sheriff's office. At that point though, it was
just it was that hunch and we had phone records.
There wasn't anything to move forward in terms of a
sexual type relationship and grooming isn't doesn't fall under that category.
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So you know, he just said keep documenting everything. And
at that point we didn't know who all the adults were,
so trying to grasp as to who was all involved,
who do we need to try to figure out is
talking to who?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
And then.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
May April twenty seventh, she informed us that she would
be moving out and moving in.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
With the speech pathologist.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I immediately went at Columbine a speech pathologist. You're a
four point six GPA student, You've never had an IEP.
How on earth do you know a speech pathologist? Right,
of course, that wasn't answered. We spoke again with Chief
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Reeves May twelfth, and since now we were dealing with
two Columbine teachers, the speech pathologist and Carney, he said,
schedule an appointment with the principal asap.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And why don't we pause there as we head into
the next break For those who just joined us, incredibly
courageous mom battling to get her child back in to
protect other children as you hear this story unfold about
what happened to her star athletes, star student daughter at Columbine,
And what you're about to hear after the next break
is that then all of a sudden, multiple people in
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authority at the school you refer to the speech pathologist,
ma'am got together to sign to have a form signed
which would have your daughter declared homeless. Yes, so she
could be moved out of your great, very solid, supportive home, yes,
into the home of a teacher. Yes, again unimaginable. But
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we will pick it up right there when we come back,
and what you'll hear is that this mother, fighting to
protect her daughter, then goes to school, goes to Columbus
to confront the principle, what's happening here, what's happening to
my daughter? What's this teacher been doing to my daughter?
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Why is my daughter being moved in with some other teacher?
And you'll be very angry when you hear what unfolded next,
hopefully angered into action. This has to change. You're on
the Dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. That's right.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Mothers never stopped fighting for their children, never stop protecting
their children. Same for dads. And we have a mother
in studio doing that right now. And we will not
repeat the whole story. We'll pick it up chronologically where
it left off, but you can go back get it
off the podcast. This is a courageous mother of a
star student, star athlete from a great home at Columbine,
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who all of the sudden became the target apparently of
this teacher while she was a sophomore year about to
hear more facts about that. But at this point we're
picking it up, and we're in late April, early May
of senior year. And at this point that the mother
of this child who's in studio with us now then
is going to see the principal with all the information
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that she's gathered, going to see the principle at Columbine. So,
ma'am again, thank you for being here, and please pick
it up from there.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
So I called Columbine High School on May twelfth and
requested an appointment, and I had an appointment the next
morning with the principal. My husband and I sat down
and just started writing everything that we had learned and discovered.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
We went to the school.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I read him why we were there again, because I
wanted to make sure that I got out every detail
as to why we were there and our concerns, and
it basically addressed, you know, how is a student allowed
to move in with a teacher while still a student
in high school. We asked him about were you aware
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of the text message that I sent CARNEYE? And we
presented him with phone records at that point. So after
I explained, you know, in a page long document as
to why we were there. I was expecting him when
I asked him, are you aware of the situation? To
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him and respond with no, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Let's get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
When I asked him, are you aware of the situation
and he said yes, I almost wanted to vomit in
my mouth.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
To be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I grabbed my husband's thigh under the table, and I thought,
we have to pivot because all of this little snippets
that we've been hearing about, they've been talking and we're completely.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Unaware of what's going on.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I asked him if he was aware of the text
message that I sent Carney, and he said yes. And
I said that wasn't a red flag, because if I
receive a text message from a parent of one of
my children's parents, I would be on the phone trying
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to figure out what do you think happened?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
What do you think is going on?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Don't I don't want any type of miscommunication? Didn't really
have any comment to that. I asked, how is it
policy to have a student move in with a teacher
while still a student. You can't have a student in
your car by yourself. You can't have a student over
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to your house, so how can a student move in
with a teacher. That's when he responded back with, well,
this teacher, this employee speech pathologist, has taken in a
homeless youth in the past. And I said, I'm going
to stop you right there. My child's not homeless. You're
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comparing apples to oranges. Proceeded.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
It was a two hour conversation that for a.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Second, because you've just had the principle of Columbine High School, yes,
tell you, well, this other teacher that you're doing is
planning to move in with has taken in homeless kids before. Correct,
And as you open the show with, you have a
very solid, stable, loving, supportive home, as evidenced by the
fact your daughter's a star student, a star athlete. Your
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other child goes to school there, you're involved at the
school there. Nobody has told you about any concerns for
your daughter's welfare, correct, let alone some bizarre belief she's homeless.
So how then does he respond to them?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Doesn't really have There was a lot of I see
your concerns, and that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
In this two hour but he's supposed to have the answers.
Who is this principal? What's his name?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Scott Christy?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Okay, still there.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yes, sir, And so you know, we present him. When
I asked him about.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
The text, he says, yes, he had heard about it,
and I said, would you like to see it? And
he said sure, and I take out a piece of
paper where I had printed.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Off the text message. He asked, then when we showed him.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
The phone logs of the phone calls, he says, are
you sure that's Carne's phone number? And I said yes,
and presented him with a piece of paper that showed
reverse phone look up and I said, I got any.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Minutes again, Oh, don't worry, don't go back in your
paperwork or something like that the course of I think
three months, yes.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And UH showed him that.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
He then again asked, you know, are you sure that's
Carne's phone number? And I said yes, and I got
it off of my daughter's phone. He's he did say
that I see your concern, I believe, is what he
said when we showed him the phone records.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Again, we're just.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Kind of going back and forth, you know, he's saying
that he was aware that, you know, mckail that our
daughter was unhappy with home life.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
And I said, well, that's news to me.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
But is that what they do now? If a student
says they are n't happy with home life, they take
them away from their parents without and declare them homeless,
without ever talking to the parents.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
That's what happened at Columbine.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
And I said, well, you also know so and so
who is a sibling of this child walking your halls.
There was no concern for his well being or the
other siblings in jeff Co schools. And again no comment,
no response. You know, we got to the end of
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this two hour meeting. Oh and by the way, this
is when he makes the statement that Carne takes a
special interest in helping kids navigate their sexuality. Mind you,
this is the same he says, what Carne takes a
special interest in helping kids navigate their sexuality.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
This is the principle, yes, sir, telling the parent of
the girl, Carnie has taken this special interest in You've
just presented evidence of hundreds of minutes of phone calls, yes, sir.
And at this point is the principle aware that that
you check life three sixty and your daughter was appeared
to be overnight at Carne's house.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That was part of the information that we pay And.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Then you say the principle says, oh, Carnie takes a
special interest in helping students navigate their sexuality. Yes, sir,
I don't think that defense is going to work anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
No.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, I've just presented you with information and documentation of
there's something going on, there are some sort of inappropriate
relationship between a adult and a child. And you tell
me that bit of information.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Unimaginable, which I know. And as we come up on
another break and we'll pick it up from there, we're
moving through the chronology toward the point in time where
your daughter's going to turn eighteen, right, Yes, and then
she at that point, as you've already alluded to, she
then leaves you, leaves her family to move in with
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this teacher. Yes, who you then and you'll get to
those facts soon later find out had how many texts
to your daughter? Over twenty thousand starting when over twenty
thousand texts to your daughter? But heartbreaking story in this
courageous mom fighting to get her own daughter back, fighting
to protect other kids, fighting to make sure this cannot
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become the new normal. And one of the questions I'll
ask you on the other side is what do you
want to see up in here? Because spoiler alert, all
these people who got together to have your daughter declared homeless,
taken from your home without ever talking to you, the
teacher twenty thousand texts to your daughter, Your daughter moves out,
moves in with the teacher. If any of these people
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had any consequences.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Not to my knowledge, they're all still employed.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, well, we will get back, we will continue the story.
So grateful to have you with us. Hopefully this forces change.
Hopefully so many people are going to get angered by
this and work properly through the channels to force change.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant. And this thing stinks. Here
on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You know you can't even find the words for this
one abomination, shocking, outrageous, obscene, nothing really captures it. If
you just joined us, We're not going to repeat the
whole chronology here. It's available on the Popcast podcast. We
have this courageous mom in studio and she's talking about
what happened to her daughter at Columbine. She's fighting to
get her daughter back, she's fighting to protect other kids.
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And we'll pick the story up here chronologically, but the
very quick recap is stars to star athlete, great home,
great mom, great dad, and she's a sophomore Columbine, and
she's thriving. And then all of a sudden, the mom's
telling us this teacher, female teacher takes an interest in
her daughter. And then they're over twenty thousand texts, unbeknownst
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to mom and dad, hundreds of minutes on the phone.
Unbeknownst to mom and dad efforts with people in authority
at the school to have her daughter legally declared homeless
so the daughter can be moved in with the teacher,
unbeknownst to mom and dad. And so now we get
to this part of the story where we're in May
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of senior year, your daughter's birthdays coming up, for graduations
coming up. You've been to the principal, and the principal says, oh,
this teacher takes an interest in helping kids navigate their sexuality.
Is you're explaining us that the principal tells you that.
So what happens next?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So we concluded our meeting with the principal. He I
think it's ironic. He complimented us about what an outstanding
person our child was, a top athlete and extremely smart,
and we should be proud.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And that doesn't happen with a non supportive family.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
But the same family they're trying to have her declared
homeless so she can be moved away from right.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
And at this point we had no idea that for
the past month, these adults were having conversations behind our back,
whether it was how do we help her move out,
make sure that she has a safe place, and that
the homeless paperwork was in place.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Without ever talking to you, Yes, sir, okay? And then
when did you find out that they were actually filling
out forms to have your daughter declared homeless.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
So we met with the principal on Friday. On Saturday
is when our daughter wasn't home, and I was kind
of like rifling through a room trying to again try
to get any little bits of information, and I found
the unaccompanied Homeless Youth document underneath her mattress and it
had been signed by Daria Barajas, who is a district
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employee for the is it the Macinto.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Program?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yes, the homeless Youth Unaccompanied Homeless Youth.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Program, and so I got online and googled who this
person was. It also stated that Martha Yvette Martinez was
who my child was in care of, and that it
had the district address as a mailing address.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
These are Jefferson County School District officials who have signed
an official government form declaring your daughter homeless.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yes, sir, that I found underneath her mattress, Okay, please
go on, And then immediately took it upstairs to my
husband and I thought, I don't think it's coincidental that
this principle the day before says, well, this teacher has
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taken in a homeless student, and we went, our child
is not homeless, and now we find homeless.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Paperwork, and what's the response.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
At that point.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I didn't talk to the principal until May twenty third,
when I notified him that we had found the homeless
document under our child's bed. I said, how does a
middle class kid know about homeless document? And he said, well,
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you can find this online and I said I don't
think so.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
And you can find the signatures online from school district officials.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I mean, it was penned. It wasn't a stake.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
That's what I mean, right, is correct. He's trying to
tell you she founded online, but Christ signed by school officials.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Christ by Daria Barajas.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And we did not find out until recently through Cora's
that it was actually my child's counselor who initiated the
homeless documents, who said Carly Looney, and that through these
emails that they're going back and forth with the district
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Liaisons Martha Yvette Martinez where it specifically says do not
contact the parents.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
When did this I know it's made what year.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Twenty twenty two?
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Okay, I just discovered the emails three weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yes, through through through.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Have you talked to law enforcement prosecutors, et cetera. I
don't do criminal I'm a civil lawyer about the statute
of limitations and whether it's expired on any crimes that
may apply here.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
No, we have not, but we are working with the
hopes of talking with Jefferson County Sheriff's office to look
at charges because of course, this is all new information
that we've just discovered that this was happening. This paperwork
was signed, this child was declared homeless, and Jefferson County
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public schools can say whatever they want to say that, oh,
this was just for the FASPHA. It doesn't matter what
it was for. This was they knew this kid had
a home, right.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Well, listen, it's one of the worst things anybody can
do to human anywhere in the world is to take
their child away. And if you're sitting there filling out forms,
putting your signature on a form, or working behind the
scenes to make it happen that a child is taken
out of their home physically, in my mind, that's one
of the worst things one human can do to another,
and you damn well better be able to justify it
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in every conceivable way. But at that point, and I'm
not talking about legally, but at that point, aren't you
obligated to call social services to report this child as
abused and neglected before you start trying to take a
child away from the home. And obviously your home was
the opposite.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Of that, correct you know I would nobody claimed otherwise, right, No, No.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Can you stay with us into the next hour, because
this story needs to be told, and it needs to
be told over and over again. Now, what you're going
to hear next happened is truly heartbreaking. I'll warn you
about that in advance. But this mom is not quitting.
She's fighting. She's going to get her daughter back, she's
going to protect other kids. She needs your help. Let's
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talk about that. She needs your help. You're on the
Dan Kapla Show.
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind,
and to subscribe, download and listen to the show every
single day on your favorite podcast platform. One of the
most disturbing stories in decades out of a Colorado school,
and we're so privileged to have with us in studio
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right now the mother of the girl who at age fifteen,
and the mom's here and she's going to be anonymous
because that the hope is obviously to get her daughter
back in to resume a normal life after an ordeal
that's really unimaginable, Tenny of us as parents, or should
be to any citizens. So I want to just just
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turn it over to you man. Thank you for being here.
Sure appreciate it, and I certainly understand the need for anonymity.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And Allison Browner is here as well, who has a
private investigator who I've had on air before on this
topic and has done really superb workup on this. But
thank you for being here, Sorry for everything you're going through.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But without further delay, can you just tell people the
story of what happened to your daughter at Columbine.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Right, I would like to preface with just two things,
just to make sure people are aware of why we're
fighting this fight, and just kind of giving a little background,
if that's okay, And I'm actually just going to read
this just so I can make sure that I to
articulate it the way that I want it heard. I
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have the privilege of not working outside of our home.
I'm there when the kids get up, when they get
home from school, and help with homework. I attend school
functions and our children's sports activities. I'm home on the weekends.
We eat dinner together and go on family vacations. This
has always been the case. We were in our an
intact family union. So when we discovered not only Carnie,
(01:54):
but five staff members at Columbine and two district employees
conspiring behind our backs and stripping away our parental rights
while these staff members inserted themselves as surrogate parents, we
quickly realized that if this can happen to our family,
this can happen to any child and family at Columbine
High School or any Jefferson County public school. I read
(02:18):
this quote when we were in the beginning of this
nightmare in a People's magazine cover story of an abused
child and a quote trusted adult.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I copied it.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Down, came home and inserted our specific situation, and it
sums it up. If parents are the first line of
defense in protecting their children, how can that happen If
the culture at Columbine High School and Jefferson Public Schools
is for administration and staff to remove the parents from
the equation. With parents being eliminated, the predators have full
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abusive access to our children. My child, now an adult,
remains in an abusive relationship with her predator. My husband
and I cannot protect her from that. She will always
be our top concern and priority. But I can make
the public aware of what the staff at Columbine and
district employees did to our child and to our family.
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This was calculated, deliberate, and intentional. This was not a mistake.
They are capable of doing this again because no one
was held accountable by the Jefferson Public Schools District leadership.
Our family deserves and demands accountability.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So well said, Obviously, you're fighting to get your daughter
back and to save your daughter from the situation she's in,
but you're fighting to protect other people's children as well.
So as a parent, thank you for that. Our kids
are beyond high school h now, but thank you for that.
Please if you would just start by start at the
beginning and tell people the story of what happened to
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your daughter at columbun.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You know, it was her senior year.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Senior year started, we noticed a little bit of pushback
kind of added to change that type stuff. Talked to
a group of friends that I've known at this point
nineteen years and we've gone through all kinds of stuff together.
A lot of them had already had kids that have graduated,
(04:18):
and they said, you know, not uncommon.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
They're starting to push boundaries.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Life's about to change real drastically once they graduate. And
kind of just chalked it up to that, not that
we weren't still paying attention, but it made sense. And
I even had a girlfriend said she wasn't allowed on
a family vacation because how horrible she was to her
parents for serving your year. So I was like, okay,
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and just kind of you know, she was involved in
sports four point six GPA, nothing else was really on
the radar in that sense.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And then we discovered.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Well, actually step back, when we were noticing there was
kind of this pushback and she wasn't really talking to us.
You know, my husband and I had said, we want,
we want you to go talk to somebody. So we
had found a reputable, reputable counselor that some family friends
had recommended and set up two appointments. Well, our child
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wouldn't sign the consent because being seventeen, you have to
consent to have this counseling session. So I had to
cancel both of those, and her conversation with us was
I don't need to go to a counselor. And again
(05:41):
we said, go, I don't care if you talk about
how you want to paint your room a certain color.
If you're not talking to us, we want to give
you the tools to go talk to somebody. And that's
when she said she wasn't going to go and she
had people in adults that she was talking to at school.
(06:03):
That was the first she told you that she told
us no names, and again, little bit of information that
you put back in the peace of your mind. April
was coming around. I had found that journal entry in
(06:23):
her bedroom where it was dated I believe December about
kissing Carneye in the parking lot. Carnee was my child's
AP history teacher her sophomore year. That's how I know
(06:45):
this individual. So my child would have been about fifteen
when she was in this teacher's classroom. So found this
journal entry, asked our child about it, got real defensive.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It was a dream.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
It was a dream again, Okay, we're documenting this.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Something is going on.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
She also stated that she would be moving out on
her eighteenth birthday.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And wouldn't tell us with who because she didn't want
us tracking down the adults. Okay, and I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
This is at the time you find the journal entry.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
It's yeah, it's probably a couple of weeks within each other.
There was mid April. I don't remember if I texted.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Carneie Carnie being.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
The teacher, yes, the predator teacher, before or after.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I found owned our daughter at her home.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
On Life through sixty, it gets all.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Let's do this if we may, because we have to
take a hard break here. But if you just joined us,
we're with the mother who is courageously trying to get
her daughter back and to let everybody know about what
happened to her daughter at Columbine High School. And if
you're new to this story, one of the absolutely stunning,
(08:29):
shocking parts of this story is, as you'll soon hear
from our guest, people in authority got together at the
school and tried to take her daughter away. I mean,
like literally have forms executed declaring her daughter homeless so
the daughter could be moved out of our guests home
(08:50):
and into the home of the teacher. So that part
of the story will cover next year on the Dan
Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show pod guest.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
One of the worst things a person can ever do
is take away the innocence of a child, and we're
here with a brave mother fighting to get her child back,
fighting to save other children. If you weren't with us
at the top, we won't repeat the whole story now,
but we'll continue from where we left off that the
ten second recap is a fifteen year old girl at Columbine,
(09:24):
great student, great athlete, great home life, and then all
of a sudden, a female teacher takes an interest in her.
And then we get to this point where you've got
people in authority at the school getting together to sign
forms to have this student declared homeless, so she can
literally be taken away from the parents, taken out of
the parents home, and put in a teacher's home. I
(09:47):
know it sounds impossible, but it actually happens. So picking
it up from there, ma'am. And when we went to
the break, and you know that the mother of this
child is remaining anonymous at this point for obvious reasons,
but really wants this story told. So when we went
to break, you're talking about how your daughter, she's a senior, now,
her personality changes. She's acting differently, she's not talking to
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you and you're not getting through. So you and your
husband bringing a counselor so she can talk to the counselor.
The counselor is she won't sign the forms for the counselor,
says she's talking to adults at school. You find a
note under her bed, a journal that talks about how
she was kissing this teacher, and then please pick it.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Up from there.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
So two days later, after finding this note, I texted
Miss Carney and I said, hile, Anne, this is SO
and So's mom. I'm respectfully asking you not to communicate
with my daughter. Of course, I did not receive any
type of response. The next day she is or actually
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that night she's supposed to be spending the night because
the next day everybody has PSATs and SATs at school,
so they do not. So she said she's going over
to a friend's house, which was not uncommon, and they
were going to wake up and do a sunrise hike. Again,
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this kid is extremely athletic, outdoorsy. This is not the
first time. I get up that next morning and just
check on Life three sixty to see, oh, did they
make it out? You know, did they oversleep that type thing?
Check the Life three sixty and she is over at
Carney's address. I mean, talk about a sick feeling in
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your stomach. Immediately texted her and said, I need you
to come home right now. She came home. We started
talking to her, and I believe at that point my
husband took her phone, she went downstairs and remotely erased
it from her chromebook. We knew at that point she
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will go at all costs to protect I'll call her predator.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
A predator.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
She told us that she would be moving out on
her eighteenth birthday. On that day, but not with who,
because she didn't want us tracking down the adults. And
again we're just writing all this stuff down because it's
going this is how is this all connected?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
What is going on? Again, she's athlete and.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
School, so where where are these adults from just kind
of trying to feel that out. I will say that
mom gut feeling comes into play and I thought, at
this point, I don't think we can go to Columbine
because I think this is where these adults are. We
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pulled full phone records at that point and there was
over sixteen hundred minutes of phone conversations between with this
teacher correct from November twenty first to April twenty twenty two,
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and this included one hundred and sixty one minute phone
conversation the day after I texted the teacher to not
communicate with my daughter. At that point, again, we were
just continuing to just document any little comment that she
made in the house, just trying to figure what was
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going on. And at this point, Carne left Columbine in
February for pre deploy leaf So we were under the
assumption that Carne was gone, so that immediate threat until
we noticed her on Life three sixty. We thought, Okay,
(14:00):
this person isn't physically here. Right, there's some distance and
we'll figure out how to navigate this forward.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
But she's still in town.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Correct, Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
April twenty fifth, we had our first conversation with Todd Reeves,
the Division Chief of Criminal Investigation, and we were put
into contact with him. A family member had used a
PI when they were having issues with their daughter.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
So I reached out to this PI Carl.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
We did not hire him by any means or you know,
go track this person down, Go track that person down,
but try to figure out how do we proceed forward
and try to get information. And that's when he put
us into contact.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
With Chief Reeves.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
They used to work together, and he actually came to
our home and we talked to him for about two hours, and.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
The chief is from.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Jefferson County Sheriff's office. At that point though, it was
just it was that hunch and we had phone records.
There wasn't anything to move forward in terms of a
sexual type relationship and grooming isn't doesn't fall under that category.
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So you know, he just said keep documenting everything. And
at that point we didn't know who all the adults were,
so trying to grasp as to who was all involved,
who do we need to try to figure out is
talking to who?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
And then.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
May April twenty seventh, she informed us that she would
be moving out and moving in.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
With the speech pathologist.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I immediately went at Columbine a speech pathologist. You're a
four point six GPA student, You've never had an IEP.
How on earth do you know a speech pathologist? Right,
of course, that wasn't answered. We spoke again with Chief
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Reeves May twelfth, and since now we were dealing with
two Columbine teachers, the speech pathologist and Carney, he said,
schedule an appointment with the principal asap.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And why don't we pause there as we head into
the next break For those who just joined us, incredibly
courageous mom battling to get her child back in to
protect other children as you hear this story unfold about
what happened to her star athletes, star student daughter at Columbine,
And what you're about to hear after the next break
is that then all of a sudden, multiple people in
(16:56):
authority at the school you refer to the speech pathologist,
ma'am got together to sign to have a form signed
which would have your daughter declared homeless. Yes, so she
could be moved out of your great, very solid, supportive home, yes,
into the home of a teacher. Yes, again unimaginable. But
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we will pick it up right there when we come back,
and what you'll hear is that this mother, fighting to
protect her daughter, then goes to school, goes to Columbus
to confront the principle, what's happening here, what's happening to
my daughter? What's this teacher been doing to my daughter?
(17:39):
Why is my daughter being moved in with some other teacher?
And you'll be very angry when you hear what unfolded next,
hopefully angered into action. This has to change. You're on
the Dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. That's right.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Mothers never stopped fighting for their children, never stop protecting
their children. Same for dads. And we have a mother
in studio doing that right now. And we will not
repeat the whole story. We'll pick it up chronologically where
it left off, but you can go back get it
off the podcast. This is a courageous mother of a
star student, star athlete from a great home at Columbine,
(18:22):
who all of the sudden became the target apparently of
this teacher while she was a sophomore year about to
hear more facts about that. But at this point we're
picking it up, and we're in late April, early May
of senior year. And at this point that the mother
of this child who's in studio with us now then
is going to see the principal with all the information
(18:44):
that she's gathered, going to see the principle at Columbine. So,
ma'am again, thank you for being here, and please pick
it up from there.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
So I called Columbine High School on May twelfth and
requested an appointment, and I had an appointment the next
morning with the principal. My husband and I sat down
and just started writing everything that we had learned and discovered.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
We went to the school.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I read him why we were there again, because I
wanted to make sure that I got out every detail
as to why we were there and our concerns, and
it basically addressed, you know, how is a student allowed
to move in with a teacher while still a student
in high school. We asked him about were you aware
(19:37):
of the text message that I sent CARNEYE? And we
presented him with phone records at that point. So after
I explained, you know, in a page long document as
to why we were there. I was expecting him when
I asked him, are you aware of the situation? To
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him and respond with no, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Let's get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
When I asked him, are you aware of the situation
and he said yes, I almost wanted to vomit in
my mouth.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
To be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I grabbed my husband's thigh under the table, and I thought,
we have to pivot because all of this little snippets
that we've been hearing about, they've been talking and we're completely.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Unaware of what's going on.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I asked him if he was aware of the text
message that I sent Carney, and he said yes. And
I said that wasn't a red flag, because if I
receive a text message from a parent of one of
my children's parents, I would be on the phone trying
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to figure out what do you think happened?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
What do you think is going on?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Don't I don't want any type of miscommunication? Didn't really
have any comment to that. I asked, how is it
policy to have a student move in with a teacher
while still a student. You can't have a student in
your car by yourself. You can't have a student over
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to your house, so how can a student move in
with a teacher. That's when he responded back with, well,
this teacher, this employee speech pathologist, has taken in a
homeless youth in the past. And I said, I'm going
to stop you right there. My child's not homeless. You're
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comparing apples to oranges. Proceeded.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
It was a two hour conversation that for a.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Second, because you've just had the principle of Columbine High School, yes,
tell you, well, this other teacher that you're doing is
planning to move in with has taken in homeless kids before. Correct,
And as you open the show with, you have a
very solid, stable, loving, supportive home, as evidenced by the
fact your daughter's a star student, a star athlete. Your
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other child goes to school there, you're involved at the
school there. Nobody has told you about any concerns for
your daughter's welfare, correct, let alone some bizarre belief she's homeless.
So how then does he respond to them?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Doesn't really have There was a lot of I see
your concerns, and that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
In this two hour but he's supposed to have the answers.
Who is this principal? What's his name?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Scott Christy?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Okay, still there.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yes, sir, And so you know, we present him. When
I asked him about.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
The text, he says, yes, he had heard about it,
and I said, would you like to see it? And
he said sure, and I take out a piece of
paper where I had printed.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Off the text message. He asked, then when we showed him.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
The phone logs of the phone calls, he says, are
you sure that's Carne's phone number? And I said yes,
and presented him with a piece of paper that showed
reverse phone look up and I said, I got any.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Minutes again, Oh, don't worry, don't go back in your
paperwork or something like that the course of I think
three months, yes.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And UH showed him that.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
He then again asked, you know, are you sure that's
Carne's phone number? And I said yes, and I got
it off of my daughter's phone. He's he did say
that I see your concern, I believe, is what he
said when we showed him the phone records.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Again, we're just.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Kind of going back and forth, you know, he's saying
that he was aware that, you know, mckail that our
daughter was unhappy with home life.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
And I said, well, that's news to me.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
But is that what they do now? If a student
says they are n't happy with home life, they take
them away from their parents without and declare them homeless,
without ever talking to the parents.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
That's what happened at Columbine.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
And I said, well, you also know so and so
who is a sibling of this child walking your halls.
There was no concern for his well being or the
other siblings in jeff Co schools. And again no comment,
no response. You know, we got to the end of
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this two hour meeting. Oh and by the way, this
is when he makes the statement that Carne takes a
special interest in helping kids navigate their sexuality. Mind you,
this is the same he says, what Carne takes a
special interest in helping kids navigate their sexuality.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
This is the principle, yes, sir, telling the parent of
the girl, Carnie has taken this special interest in You've
just presented evidence of hundreds of minutes of phone calls, yes, sir.
And at this point is the principle aware that that
you check life three sixty and your daughter was appeared
to be overnight at Carne's house.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That was part of the information that we pay And.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Then you say the principle says, oh, Carnie takes a
special interest in helping students navigate their sexuality. Yes, sir,
I don't think that defense is going to work anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
No.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, I've just presented you with information and documentation of
there's something going on, there are some sort of inappropriate
relationship between a adult and a child. And you tell
me that bit of information.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Unimaginable, which I know. And as we come up on
another break and we'll pick it up from there, we're
moving through the chronology toward the point in time where
your daughter's going to turn eighteen, right, Yes, and then
she at that point, as you've already alluded to, she
then leaves you, leaves her family to move in with
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this teacher. Yes, who you then and you'll get to
those facts soon later find out had how many texts
to your daughter? Over twenty thousand starting when over twenty
thousand texts to your daughter? But heartbreaking story in this
courageous mom fighting to get her own daughter back, fighting
to protect other kids, fighting to make sure this cannot
(26:37):
become the new normal. And one of the questions I'll
ask you on the other side is what do you
want to see up in here? Because spoiler alert, all
these people who got together to have your daughter declared homeless,
taken from your home without ever talking to you, the
teacher twenty thousand texts to your daughter, Your daughter moves out,
moves in with the teacher. If any of these people
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had any consequences.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Not to my knowledge, they're all still employed.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, well, we will get back, we will continue the story.
So grateful to have you with us. Hopefully this forces change.
Hopefully so many people are going to get angered by
this and work properly through the channels to force change.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant. And this thing stinks. Here
on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You know you can't even find the words for this
one abomination, shocking, outrageous, obscene, nothing really captures it. If
you just joined us, We're not going to repeat the
whole chronology here. It's available on the Popcast podcast. We
have this courageous mom in studio and she's talking about
what happened to her daughter at Columbine. She's fighting to
get her daughter back, she's fighting to protect other kids.
(27:54):
And we'll pick the story up here chronologically, but the
very quick recap is stars to star athlete, great home,
great mom, great dad, and she's a sophomore Columbine, and
she's thriving. And then all of a sudden, the mom's
telling us this teacher, female teacher takes an interest in
her daughter. And then they're over twenty thousand texts, unbeknownst
(28:15):
to mom and dad, hundreds of minutes on the phone.
Unbeknownst to mom and dad efforts with people in authority
at the school to have her daughter legally declared homeless
so the daughter can be moved in with the teacher,
unbeknownst to mom and dad. And so now we get
to this part of the story where we're in May
(28:35):
of senior year, your daughter's birthdays coming up, for graduations
coming up. You've been to the principal, and the principal says, oh,
this teacher takes an interest in helping kids navigate their sexuality.
Is you're explaining us that the principal tells you that.
So what happens next?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So we concluded our meeting with the principal. He I
think it's ironic. He complimented us about what an outstanding
person our child was, a top athlete and extremely smart,
and we should be proud.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And that doesn't happen with a non supportive family.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
But the same family they're trying to have her declared
homeless so she can be moved away from right.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
And at this point we had no idea that for
the past month, these adults were having conversations behind our back,
whether it was how do we help her move out,
make sure that she has a safe place, and that
the homeless paperwork was in place.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Without ever talking to you, Yes, sir, okay? And then
when did you find out that they were actually filling
out forms to have your daughter declared homeless.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
So we met with the principal on Friday. On Saturday
is when our daughter wasn't home, and I was kind
of like rifling through a room trying to again try
to get any little bits of information, and I found
the unaccompanied Homeless Youth document underneath her mattress and it
had been signed by Daria Barajas, who is a district
(30:14):
employee for the is it the Macinto.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Program?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yes, the homeless Youth Unaccompanied Homeless Youth.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Program, and so I got online and googled who this
person was. It also stated that Martha Yvette Martinez was
who my child was in care of, and that it
had the district address as a mailing address.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
These are Jefferson County School District officials who have signed
an official government form declaring your daughter homeless.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yes, sir, that I found underneath her mattress, Okay, please
go on, And then immediately took it upstairs to my
husband and I thought, I don't think it's coincidental that
this principle the day before says, well, this teacher has
(31:07):
taken in a homeless student, and we went, our child
is not homeless, and now we find homeless.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Paperwork, and what's the response.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
At that point.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I didn't talk to the principal until May twenty third,
when I notified him that we had found the homeless
document under our child's bed. I said, how does a
middle class kid know about homeless document? And he said, well,
(31:46):
you can find this online and I said I don't
think so.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
And you can find the signatures online from school district officials.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I mean, it was penned. It wasn't a stake.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
That's what I mean, right, is correct. He's trying to
tell you she founded online, but Christ signed by school officials.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Christ by Daria Barajas.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And we did not find out until recently through Cora's
that it was actually my child's counselor who initiated the
homeless documents, who said Carly Looney, and that through these
emails that they're going back and forth with the district
(32:29):
Liaisons Martha Yvette Martinez where it specifically says do not
contact the parents.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
When did this I know it's made what year.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Twenty twenty two?
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Okay, I just discovered the emails three weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yes, through through through.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Have you talked to law enforcement prosecutors, et cetera. I
don't do criminal I'm a civil lawyer about the statute
of limitations and whether it's expired on any crimes that
may apply here.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
No, we have not, but we are working with the
hopes of talking with Jefferson County Sheriff's office to look
at charges because of course, this is all new information
that we've just discovered that this was happening. This paperwork
was signed, this child was declared homeless, and Jefferson County
(33:31):
public schools can say whatever they want to say that, oh,
this was just for the FASPHA. It doesn't matter what
it was for. This was they knew this kid had
a home, right.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Well, listen, it's one of the worst things anybody can
do to human anywhere in the world is to take
their child away. And if you're sitting there filling out forms,
putting your signature on a form, or working behind the
scenes to make it happen that a child is taken
out of their home physically, in my mind, that's one
of the worst things one human can do to another,
and you damn well better be able to justify it
(34:04):
in every conceivable way. But at that point, and I'm
not talking about legally, but at that point, aren't you
obligated to call social services to report this child as
abused and neglected before you start trying to take a
child away from the home. And obviously your home was
the opposite.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Of that, correct you know I would nobody claimed otherwise, right, No, No.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Can you stay with us into the next hour, because
this story needs to be told, and it needs to
be told over and over again. Now, what you're going
to hear next happened is truly heartbreaking. I'll warn you
about that in advance. But this mom is not quitting.
She's fighting. She's going to get her daughter back, she's
going to protect other kids. She needs your help. Let's
(34:47):
talk about that. She needs your help. You're on the
Dan Kapla Show.
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