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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I mentioned to you this morning that I'm frustrated with
the shirt that I'm wearing because the buttons are backwards.
They are on the wrong side on this polo shirt,
which usually means that it's a woman's shirt, and so
on the tag it.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Says M slash M, which I thought.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Meant men's medium, but I think what it actually means
is M for medium in French, and then M for
the equivalent word for medium in English, MM for medium
and English, and M for the equivalent of medium in French,
and somewhere else on the label it does say woman's
and I didn't notice it.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So it's a woman's shirt that I'm wearing.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And now I don't know what to do because it
fits me pretty well. And so now people are asking
me Ross now that you're wearing a woman's shirt today,
does it mean you can like go to a woman's bathroom?
Does it mean I'm supposed to switch from hem to
they or z or whatever is the thing these days?
And if somebody and if somebody uses the wrong pronouns
(00:52):
on me, can I have them charged with a crime?
Joining us to talk about that actually rather serious issue despite.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
My silly lee.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
The end is my friend Corey DeAngelis, who is Senior
Fellow at the American Culture Project.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He is one of the nations.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Leading proponents of school choice and one of the most
effective people in the country, which would mean in the
world on actually getting school choice expanded. Corey, good to
talk to you.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Hey, Ross, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, glad to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So I wanted to talk to you a little bit
about this bill that's up in the state legislature House
built thirteen twelve entitled Legal Protections for Transgender Individuals. I
know this is something that's come to your attention, So
what's on your mind.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, I mean it's authoritarian overreach. It's the way for
the Democrats to insert the state between other people's children
and the parent. It's an abuse of the parent child relationship,
and it's a form of socialism. It basically classifies misgendering
as child abuse. And if you don't affirm you know,
(02:00):
their new gender, the you know, the delusions of a
small child, then one you could be labeled as a
child abuser, but two you can have your child taken
away from you. And this bill got rammed through the
House on Sunday, which is very ironic. That they chose
a special Sunday to do this in a day that's
interfering with a lot of people's faith on this very topic.
(02:24):
They all the Democrats voted for, all the Republicans against it.
It passed through thirty six to twenty, and the Democrats
invoked what you guys call in Colorado Rule sixteen to
silence all debate on the issue on final passage. So
they know this is unpopular, They know this is a
bad idea. They know that the Republicans might win some
(02:44):
votes on this issue, so they shut out all debates
so that that would reduce the likelihood that there would
be viral clips circulating about conversations. They know they can't
defend this insanity, so they're ramming it through. It's now
going to the Senate, and I don't have a lot
of confidence that the Democrats in the Senate are going
to do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So let me just share with listeners a couple things
from the text of the bill itself. And this is
from the summary part of the bill at the state
legislative website. So it's not a reporter writing a reporter's
view of it. It's not Corey's view of it is
straight from the legislation. Section two provides that when making
child custody decisions and determining the best interest of a
child for purposes of parenting time, a court shall consider
(03:27):
dead naming, which means, let's say you have a kid
who was born Joey and now he wants to go
by Jill. That if you keep calling the kid Joey,
that's dead naming misgendering. If Joey wants to go by
Jill and you, as the parent. Again, remember we're talking
about the parent, call your I don't care what the
age is.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You can pick the age. Call your X year old
son key, but he wants to be called she.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
That a court can actually consider that, or must consider
that it comes to custody decisions. It's and by the way,
let me just make one other point. I don't know
if Corey knows my views on this.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I am. I am not anti trands in any way.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I don't I want people to live with whatever life
makes them happy. I'm not one of these people who
talks about trands as being a mental illness. I frankly,
you know, I love Corey, but I didn't like the
use of the word delusion there, and but parents are parents,
and you know, when you're talking about an eight year
old or ten year old or twelve year old, I mean,
(04:30):
these are not fully formed brains and to have these
So anyway, enough with that, and then the other thing, Corey,
and you touched on it, and I just want to make.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It explicit here.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
They're also saying in the law that if if you did,
you know, dead naming intentionally and repeatedly or using the
wrong pronoun, that could become a criminal discrimination charge.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah. Yeah, that I only touched on one part of
the bill that I thought was probably the worst part.
But it goes further than that. They they yeah, you
can punish business businesses for misgendering or dead naming because
it becomes a discriminatory act. Under this bill, if schools,
including charter schools which are independently operated but they're labeled
(05:15):
as public schools in Colorado, if they adopt the dress
code that it cannot take a gender into account, so
you cannot have a boys dress code in a girl's
dress code. And there's other aspects of the bill as well.
And but the biggest part is this, you know, subverting
(05:36):
the will of the parents and yeah, if you have
you know, a if you're a man, you have a
wife that disagrees with you politically or whatever it is,
then you have a kid together in Colorado and you
guys get into a disagreement about this issue of the
dead naming and misgendering. Well that your wife can take
your kid away from you, and the courts, it says,
(05:57):
shall use that in the decision. You know, it's an
insane place to raise a family. And hopefully I think
the Democrats should lose some votes over these kinds of issues.
I think that's why they stopped debate on the issue
on Sunday. They also passed the bill for taxpayer funded abortion,
So you know, we can talk all about, you know,
(06:19):
whether we should have abortional or not, but to have
taxpayers fund things that they vehemently may disagree with, I
think that crosses the line. And they also passed the
bill to mandate insurance providers to cover quote unquote gender
affirming care on the same day. On Sunday, they stopped
debate on that issue as well, and that includes sex
change surgeries and puberty blockers. And Republicans tried to introduce
(06:44):
an amendment to exclude children and said, Okay, let's just
have this for adults. Let's leave the kids out of this.
The Democrats stopped that amendment, so it applies to kids
as well.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, kids and adults are very different and must be
so differently in these conversations, just the same way that
they're thought of differently in conversations about about drinking alcohol
or smoking, or voting or going to war. Right, kids
are different. Parents have responsibilities to kids. Government should should
not be replacing parents, and this is what Democrats try
(07:19):
to do so frequently. I'm just about out of time here, Corey,
But you don't that often take such an interest in politically,
in state level political issues that aren't school choice related.
I'm glad you're taking a big interest in this. Are
you going to be trying to do anything to use
the reach that you have, let's say, to motivate people
(07:42):
to contact state senators here, which I also encourage people
to do.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, absolutely, and I'm already doing that on social media
amplifying these clips. I think that's why the Democrats started
to shut down debate on final passage, because they saw
that things were going viral, not just for my account,
others as well, but you know, one of the things
that happened in committee was that Representative Yara Zokai. I
think that's how you say her last name. She let
the mask split because she compared parent groups to hate groups,
(08:09):
doubled down and even compared them to the KKK. I mean,
that's just that's the stretch too far. I think parents
are gonna be pissed off about that as well. And
look at the bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it
works out for them. Hopefully it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Cory Angelas senior fellow with the American Culture Project. Follow
him on x formerly known as Twitter at d Angelus
Cory D.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
E A n G E l I S c O
R E Y.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You can also find all this stuff on my blog
todayt roschimisy dot com with links to Corey.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Thanks for your time as always, Corey, great talking to you.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Thanks Rov, talk to you soon, all right,
I mentioned to you this morning that I'm frustrated with
the shirt that I'm wearing because the buttons are backwards.
They are on the wrong side on this polo shirt,
which usually means that it's a woman's shirt, and so
on the tag it.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Says M slash M, which I thought.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Meant men's medium, but I think what it actually means
is M for medium in French, and then M for
the equivalent word for medium in English, MM for medium
and English, and M for the equivalent of medium in French,
and somewhere else on the label it does say woman's
and I didn't notice it.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So it's a woman's shirt that I'm wearing.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And now I don't know what to do because it
fits me pretty well. And so now people are asking
me Ross now that you're wearing a woman's shirt today,
does it mean you can like go to a woman's bathroom?
Does it mean I'm supposed to switch from hem to
they or z or whatever is the thing these days?
And if somebody and if somebody uses the wrong pronouns
(00:52):
on me, can I have them charged with a crime?
Joining us to talk about that actually rather serious issue despite.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
My silly lee.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
The end is my friend Corey DeAngelis, who is Senior
Fellow at the American Culture Project.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He is one of the nations.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Leading proponents of school choice and one of the most
effective people in the country, which would mean in the
world on actually getting school choice expanded. Corey, good to
talk to you.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Hey, Ross, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, glad to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So I wanted to talk to you a little bit
about this bill that's up in the state legislature House
built thirteen twelve entitled Legal Protections for Transgender Individuals. I
know this is something that's come to your attention, So
what's on your mind.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, I mean it's authoritarian overreach. It's the way for
the Democrats to insert the state between other people's children
and the parent. It's an abuse of the parent child relationship,
and it's a form of socialism. It basically classifies misgendering
as child abuse. And if you don't affirm you know,
(02:00):
their new gender, the you know, the delusions of a
small child, then one you could be labeled as a
child abuser, but two you can have your child taken
away from you. And this bill got rammed through the
House on Sunday, which is very ironic. That they chose
a special Sunday to do this in a day that's
interfering with a lot of people's faith on this very topic.
(02:24):
They all the Democrats voted for, all the Republicans against it.
It passed through thirty six to twenty, and the Democrats
invoked what you guys call in Colorado Rule sixteen to
silence all debate on the issue on final passage. So
they know this is unpopular, They know this is a
bad idea. They know that the Republicans might win some
(02:44):
votes on this issue, so they shut out all debates
so that that would reduce the likelihood that there would
be viral clips circulating about conversations. They know they can't
defend this insanity, so they're ramming it through. It's now
going to the Senate, and I don't have a lot
of confidence that the Democrats in the Senate are going
to do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So let me just share with listeners a couple things
from the text of the bill itself. And this is
from the summary part of the bill at the state
legislative website. So it's not a reporter writing a reporter's
view of it. It's not Corey's view of it is
straight from the legislation. Section two provides that when making
child custody decisions and determining the best interest of a
child for purposes of parenting time, a court shall consider
(03:27):
dead naming, which means, let's say you have a kid
who was born Joey and now he wants to go
by Jill. That if you keep calling the kid Joey,
that's dead naming misgendering. If Joey wants to go by
Jill and you, as the parent. Again, remember we're talking
about the parent, call your I don't care what the
age is.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You can pick the age. Call your X year old
son key, but he wants to be called she.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
That a court can actually consider that, or must consider
that it comes to custody decisions. It's and by the way,
let me just make one other point. I don't know
if Corey knows my views on this.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I am. I am not anti trands in any way.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I don't I want people to live with whatever life
makes them happy. I'm not one of these people who
talks about trands as being a mental illness. I frankly,
you know, I love Corey, but I didn't like the
use of the word delusion there, and but parents are parents,
and you know, when you're talking about an eight year
old or ten year old or twelve year old, I mean,
(04:30):
these are not fully formed brains and to have these
So anyway, enough with that, and then the other thing, Corey,
and you touched on it, and I just want to make.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It explicit here.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
They're also saying in the law that if if you did,
you know, dead naming intentionally and repeatedly or using the
wrong pronoun, that could become a criminal discrimination charge.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah. Yeah, that I only touched on one part of
the bill that I thought was probably the worst part.
But it goes further than that. They they yeah, you
can punish business businesses for misgendering or dead naming because
it becomes a discriminatory act. Under this bill, if schools,
including charter schools which are independently operated but they're labeled
(05:15):
as public schools in Colorado, if they adopt the dress
code that it cannot take a gender into account, so
you cannot have a boys dress code in a girl's
dress code. And there's other aspects of the bill as well.
And but the biggest part is this, you know, subverting
(05:36):
the will of the parents and yeah, if you have
you know, a if you're a man, you have a
wife that disagrees with you politically or whatever it is,
then you have a kid together in Colorado and you
guys get into a disagreement about this issue of the
dead naming and misgendering. Well that your wife can take
your kid away from you, and the courts, it says,
(05:57):
shall use that in the decision. You know, it's an
insane place to raise a family. And hopefully I think
the Democrats should lose some votes over these kinds of issues.
I think that's why they stopped debate on the issue
on Sunday. They also passed the bill for taxpayer funded abortion,
So you know, we can talk all about, you know,
(06:19):
whether we should have abortional or not, but to have
taxpayers fund things that they vehemently may disagree with, I
think that crosses the line. And they also passed the
bill to mandate insurance providers to cover quote unquote gender
affirming care on the same day. On Sunday, they stopped
debate on that issue as well, and that includes sex
change surgeries and puberty blockers. And Republicans tried to introduce
(06:44):
an amendment to exclude children and said, Okay, let's just
have this for adults. Let's leave the kids out of this.
The Democrats stopped that amendment, so it applies to kids
as well.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, kids and adults are very different and must be
so differently in these conversations, just the same way that
they're thought of differently in conversations about about drinking alcohol
or smoking, or voting or going to war. Right, kids
are different. Parents have responsibilities to kids. Government should should
not be replacing parents, and this is what Democrats try
(07:19):
to do so frequently. I'm just about out of time here, Corey,
But you don't that often take such an interest in politically,
in state level political issues that aren't school choice related.
I'm glad you're taking a big interest in this. Are
you going to be trying to do anything to use
the reach that you have, let's say, to motivate people
(07:42):
to contact state senators here, which I also encourage people
to do.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, absolutely, and I'm already doing that on social media
amplifying these clips. I think that's why the Democrats started
to shut down debate on final passage, because they saw
that things were going viral, not just for my account,
others as well, but you know, one of the things
that happened in committee was that Representative Yara Zokai. I
think that's how you say her last name. She let
the mask split because she compared parent groups to hate groups,
(08:09):
doubled down and even compared them to the KKK. I mean,
that's just that's the stretch too far. I think parents
are gonna be pissed off about that as well. And
look at the bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it
works out for them. Hopefully it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Cory Angelas senior fellow with the American Culture Project. Follow
him on x formerly known as Twitter at d Angelus
Cory D.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
E A n G E l I S c O
R E Y.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You can also find all this stuff on my blog
todayt roschimisy dot com with links to Corey.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Thanks for your time as always, Corey, great talking to you.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Thanks Rov, talk to you soon, all right,
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