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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Aurora, Colorado, has been much in the news of late,
along with city Councilwoman Danielle Jerinski, also much in the
news of late, perhaps more.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Than she would even like to be.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
But I have to give Danielle credit for being the
person to really bring to the forefront and make a
national issue the question of levels of gang activity and
gang violence in American cities. And there was that whole
thing and I'm not going to get into right now
(00:32):
about you know, just what was the level of this
and level of that, and was this building taken over
or not. It's not really the main point, right The
main point is what's going on in America, what's going
on in Aurora?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And then separate from.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
The gang activity, but related to it, what about the
government response? What about police response? And are the people
getting the truth from law enforcement? And are members of
the city council and others who have to make important
decisions getting accurate information from law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And Danielle Jerinski, who joins US now posted.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Something on Twitter in the past twenty four hours or
so that I had never seen or heard of before.
And it's a letter, It's an email from within It
appears to me to be within the Denver I'm sorry,
the Aurora Police Department, rather than my describing it. Let's
welcome Danielle to the show. First, Danielle, thanks for being.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Here, Thanks for having me ros.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Could you please describe so I don't misinterpret anything what
this letter says and means.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well, Ross, I've made it actually put three separate tweets
and posts up on social media. So which one are
you realing?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
The one about an ICE agent suggesting that trendy Arragua
has decided to make Denver their headquarters?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Right, So you see that is a conversation between the
commander over the gang unit and a gang unit officer,
and an officer is is.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Relaying that HSI has now has confirmed has told the
War Police Department that uh, trendy Arragua chose Denver, the
Denver metro area to set up their headquarters.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Okay, So again there's two separate and both important questions here,
or maybe.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
More than two.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
What's the level of gang penetration into our area? If
they are coming here, why are they coming here? And
then what I really want to get into with you
right now, Danielle, is given this information that you are
seeing being community hated a year ago ish within the
(03:04):
Aurora Police Department. Do you have any faith at all
that anybody is hearing the truth and if not, why not?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So your first question, on a separate tweet, I put
out an email, I released a couple of emails where
officers were told pretty much that they needed to go
with at least three or four officers and an armored
vehicle to respond to these units. And an individual made
(03:43):
a police report who was the former cleaning lady, that
she was able to confirm that there was at least
two hundred individuals involved in this operation, So that that
is her and what she reported ross. I have no
idea how large this footprint is. Again, I certainly don't
(04:07):
feel like the entire city of Aurora have been taken over,
But I have no idea how large.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
This footprint is.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And it's larger than just six bad guys with guns
in that viral video. So to answer that one, your
second question.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Let me just interject here for a second. Let me
just jump in for one second before you answer the question. So,
you know, we've been talking about this a lot. We've
had you won multiple times, we had Mike Kaufman on.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And you know, Mike. Mike was sort of a little
bit back and forth on this.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Like at some point he said he thought the problem
was really bad. Another problem, and at some point he
said he thought the problem wasn't very bad. And when
I asked him about that second one later, like when
he said, I don't think it's that bad, he he
eventually said something like he thinks he was misled by
the Aurora Police police department into thinking the problem wasn't
as bad as it actually was or maybe still is.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I don't know if I don't know about is versus was.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
But but Kaufman said he felt that he had been
misled by by the police department.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
And so you know, I want to ask you if
you if you feel that way, because as I as
I read this particular letter that you posted, I mean,
it sure seems like the cops knew that trendi Arragua
had and intended to have an enormous footprint in the
Denver Aurora area.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well. Absolutely, And that's what I've been saying this entire time,
is that the oral police department in the city are
not telling the truth. Now, Mike Coaufman and I are
two very very different people. We have a lot of
similar principles and morals. I will say in Mike Coffman's defense,
(05:58):
he worked misled and and he was lied to. The
whole world has been lied to by the City of
Aurora and by the Aurora Police Department. Mike Kaufman, you know,
he he just was listening to what was coming out
of the police chief's office, right, and what was coming
out of the city manager's office, and essentially that should
(06:22):
have been the truth.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So, so Mike Cousman was miss led. He he you know,
he was not lying, and it's unfortunate that, you know,
he was flip flopping on the narrative. But he was
whip flopping on the narrative because he was trying to
keep up with the information that was coming out, the
things that I was saying. I think he was trying
(06:47):
to discern his own thoughts of the situation.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
He was Mike was believing people that you should be
able to believe correct, right, continue correct, and.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And and so and so. The difference right between Mike
Kaufman and I is is that I just go out,
I go out and seek out the information. And you know,
I know that he went to the apartment complexes a
couple of times. But it was very set up, right,
(07:23):
it was. It was very set up. They knew he
was coming, the police knew he was. I mean, I
give I give Kaufman the benefit of the doubt that
he absolutely was misled. Period. I do not see him
as a liar in this. He was absolutely misled, and
I think that.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
He knows that.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
So who.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I want to be careful.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I don't want to get into something that sounds like
a conspiracy theory. But if you are being misled, and
Kaufman is being misled, and presumably other members the city
council and presumably the public as well, someone is doing
the misleading. And if it's coming from the police chief,
I wonder is it his decision? Is it done in
(08:14):
coordination with the city manager. What's the upside, I guess
is my question. What's the upside to misleading you? The
only thing I can think of is it would make
it look like they're not very good at their jobs.
If gangs are getting a big, you know, foothold in
the city.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Well that's right, roll excuse me. I don't know. If
it's to protect the city's image, I'm not sure what
it is because you know, now there's this rhetoric coming out,
that's because I've exposed this. You know, businesses are being
impacted in Aurora, when in fact, go back and look
at how many.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Businesses have closed in Aurora before I expose this, Walgreens, Walmart,
doll Tree, the exporting goods is leaving how many small.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Businesses like it's the issue itself that is putting these
businesses in harm's way. So you know they've already tried
to turn that narrative on me. And I don't know,
I don't know. I do know who who I believe
(09:26):
is directly involved in this. But as you'll see, Ross,
as I continue to release emails, and you can go
find the other ones that I've already released, you will
see that the Chief's office is included in many of them,
different division chiefs, department wide emails.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You will you will.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
See this, and you see the dates of these emails.
This goes back to win in interm Chief Oscebato is here.
Then it rolled over to Interim Chief Morris. Now it
has rolled over to our new Hire prominent Chief Todd Chamberlain.
(10:13):
And here's's my thing, Ross, If nothing is going to change.
It's nothing, it's going to change, and the same people
remain in place. It doesn't matter who the police chief is.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
It's not going to matter because they clearly have created
their own narrative and will do anything and everything they
have to to protect it.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So what are you trying to accomplish now?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Well, you know I reached out. I didn't reach out.
I publicly pled for the governor to reach out to
me two Monday nights ago at the city council meeting.
I wanted to show him the video footage that is
also out on my ex account of this year torture
(11:06):
that is happening to these people. And instead of the
governor reaching out to me, the following morning, he called
the police on me and said that I was in
possession of and withholding evidence of a crime. So that's
the answer I got there. Ross. I want help. I
want help and I don't care where it comes from.
But help is not coming. Help is not coming for anybody,
(11:30):
to include other migrants, which the other side of the
aisle claims to propect and stand for. Help is not
coming from anybody until somebody admits to this, help is
not coming. These people are calling nine on one over
and over and over, and the police aren't coming. Well,
the police aren't coming because you can read the email
(11:52):
on my social media accounts that they can't come unless
there's at least three or four of them and an
armored vehicle. So they're not coming.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
So I want help.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I want help. I wanted to sit down with the governor.
I asked him. I publicly preaed with the governor to
put politics aside and reach out to me because it's
very clear to me that the cover up in the
police chief's office is despicable. And I am not sure
(12:24):
at this point where the city manager's involvement is. I'm
not sure, but it's all going to come out.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
They all know now.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I will tell you the city manager shut down Nome Street,
abated it. The city never in the history of itself
has abated an entire apartment complex. Well, the city manager
is going to have to stand that up.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
And there are many, many emails, many many emails, in
many many emails to come that will show what was
going on, the gang activity, the level of violence going on.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It no, so the city manager, he will have to
stand that up. I'm certain that at some point I
will be put on a witness stand somewhere in some courtroom,
I certainly plan to tell the truth. And I believe
that all of these police officers that have come to me,
that have ticked me off, that have given me information,
I certainly believe that any of them put under subpoena
(13:27):
and take the stand will tell the.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Truth as well.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And I was gonna that's my next question is probably
the last question we have time for.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
But as I see this, and you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
You've posted several things that the one that I'm looking
at where it's got one part of the police department
telling another part of the police department that the federal
government has said that that trendy Uragua has decided to
make Denver their headquarters, and it says in the letter
due to sanctuary policies and location. So it's seems to
(14:00):
me you must have a source inside the police department.
And I'm not going to ask you any any I mean,
you can say yes or no to that. But if
you get put on what if you get put on
a witness stand and they're going to ask you a
name where you got this stuff?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Well, several officers have already told me that they expect
to be subpoenaed in this, so it will all come out.
It will all come out in court. The thing of
it is, they're scrambling to figure out who my force
is in the police department, when in fact, well, I
have forces from all over the place. Now I have
(14:40):
firefighters now tipping me off. They tipped me off to
a fire that happened in Aurora. I have firefighters reaching
out to me. I have self paramedics reaching out to me.
I have spoken with HSI officers directly. The more that
comes out of this, and the more that the police department,
(15:04):
the city whoever, the governor, Kyle Clark, who, the more
that they continue to writ about this, the more and
more sources I gained people are set up ross. The
truth needs to come out once and for all. Put
it out there. This is what it is, and let's
solve the problem.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I'm especially seeing this kind of stuff that sure does
make it look like the police knew that the problem
was bigger than they ever said, and earlier than this
has ever been talked about before. Are pretty shocking, And
you know, I'm not I don't throw around terms like
(15:48):
this easily but it's got the feel of.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
A scandal to me.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And you know, Aurora is a very important city, third
biggest city in this state. And I'm I'm glad you're
I'm glad you're pursuing it. I'm glad people are trusting
you with this information so you can get this out
and and we'll keep in touch of course, and with
whatever comes next.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Thanks so much, Ross, talk to you you okay, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Danielle
Aurora, Colorado, has been much in the news of late,
along with city Councilwoman Danielle Jerinski, also much in the
news of late, perhaps more.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Than she would even like to be.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
But I have to give Danielle credit for being the
person to really bring to the forefront and make a
national issue the question of levels of gang activity and
gang violence in American cities. And there was that whole
thing and I'm not going to get into right now
(00:32):
about you know, just what was the level of this
and level of that, and was this building taken over
or not. It's not really the main point, right The
main point is what's going on in America, what's going
on in Aurora?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
And then separate from.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
The gang activity, but related to it, what about the
government response? What about police response? And are the people
getting the truth from law enforcement? And are members of
the city council and others who have to make important
decisions getting accurate information from law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And Danielle Jerinski, who joins US now posted.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Something on Twitter in the past twenty four hours or
so that I had never seen or heard of before.
And it's a letter, It's an email from within It
appears to me to be within the Denver I'm sorry,
the Aurora Police Department, rather than my describing it. Let's
welcome Danielle to the show. First, Danielle, thanks for being.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Here, Thanks for having me ros.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Could you please describe so I don't misinterpret anything what
this letter says and means.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well, Ross, I've made it actually put three separate tweets
and posts up on social media. So which one are
you realing?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
The one about an ICE agent suggesting that trendy Arragua
has decided to make Denver their headquarters?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Right, So you see that is a conversation between the
commander over the gang unit and a gang unit officer,
and an officer is is.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Relaying that HSI has now has confirmed has told the
War Police Department that uh, trendy Arragua chose Denver, the
Denver metro area to set up their headquarters.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Okay, So again there's two separate and both important questions here,
or maybe.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
More than two.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
What's the level of gang penetration into our area? If
they are coming here, why are they coming here? And
then what I really want to get into with you
right now, Danielle, is given this information that you are
seeing being community hated a year ago ish within the
(03:04):
Aurora Police Department. Do you have any faith at all
that anybody is hearing the truth and if not, why not?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So your first question, on a separate tweet, I put
out an email, I released a couple of emails where
officers were told pretty much that they needed to go
with at least three or four officers and an armored
vehicle to respond to these units. And an individual made
(03:43):
a police report who was the former cleaning lady, that
she was able to confirm that there was at least
two hundred individuals involved in this operation, So that that
is her and what she reported ross. I have no
idea how large this footprint is. Again, I certainly don't
(04:07):
feel like the entire city of Aurora have been taken over,
But I have no idea how large.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
This footprint is.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And it's larger than just six bad guys with guns
in that viral video. So to answer that one, your
second question.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Let me just interject here for a second. Let me
just jump in for one second before you answer the question. So,
you know, we've been talking about this a lot. We've
had you won multiple times, we had Mike Kaufman on.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And you know, Mike. Mike was sort of a little
bit back and forth on this.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Like at some point he said he thought the problem
was really bad. Another problem, and at some point he
said he thought the problem wasn't very bad. And when
I asked him about that second one later, like when
he said, I don't think it's that bad, he he
eventually said something like he thinks he was misled by
the Aurora Police police department into thinking the problem wasn't
as bad as it actually was or maybe still is.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I don't know if I don't know about is versus was.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
But but Kaufman said he felt that he had been
misled by by the police department.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
And so you know, I want to ask you if
you if you feel that way, because as I as
I read this particular letter that you posted, I mean,
it sure seems like the cops knew that trendi Arragua
had and intended to have an enormous footprint in the
Denver Aurora area.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well. Absolutely, And that's what I've been saying this entire time,
is that the oral police department in the city are
not telling the truth. Now, Mike Coaufman and I are
two very very different people. We have a lot of
similar principles and morals. I will say in Mike Coffman's defense,
(05:58):
he worked misled and and he was lied to. The
whole world has been lied to by the City of
Aurora and by the Aurora Police Department. Mike Kaufman, you know,
he he just was listening to what was coming out
of the police chief's office, right, and what was coming
out of the city manager's office, and essentially that should
(06:22):
have been the truth.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So, so Mike Cousman was miss led. He he you know,
he was not lying, and it's unfortunate that, you know,
he was flip flopping on the narrative. But he was
whip flopping on the narrative because he was trying to
keep up with the information that was coming out, the
things that I was saying. I think he was trying
(06:47):
to discern his own thoughts of the situation.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
He was Mike was believing people that you should be
able to believe correct, right, continue correct, and.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And and so and so. The difference right between Mike
Kaufman and I is is that I just go out,
I go out and seek out the information. And you know,
I know that he went to the apartment complexes a
couple of times. But it was very set up, right,
(07:23):
it was. It was very set up. They knew he
was coming, the police knew he was. I mean, I
give I give Kaufman the benefit of the doubt that
he absolutely was misled. Period. I do not see him
as a liar in this. He was absolutely misled, and
I think that.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
He knows that.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
So who.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I want to be careful.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I don't want to get into something that sounds like
a conspiracy theory. But if you are being misled, and
Kaufman is being misled, and presumably other members the city
council and presumably the public as well, someone is doing
the misleading. And if it's coming from the police chief,
I wonder is it his decision? Is it done in
(08:14):
coordination with the city manager. What's the upside, I guess
is my question. What's the upside to misleading you? The
only thing I can think of is it would make
it look like they're not very good at their jobs.
If gangs are getting a big, you know, foothold in
the city.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Well that's right, roll excuse me. I don't know. If
it's to protect the city's image, I'm not sure what
it is because you know, now there's this rhetoric coming out,
that's because I've exposed this. You know, businesses are being
impacted in Aurora, when in fact, go back and look
at how many.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Businesses have closed in Aurora before I expose this, Walgreens, Walmart,
doll Tree, the exporting goods is leaving how many small.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Businesses like it's the issue itself that is putting these
businesses in harm's way. So you know they've already tried
to turn that narrative on me. And I don't know,
I don't know. I do know who who I believe
(09:26):
is directly involved in this. But as you'll see, Ross,
as I continue to release emails, and you can go
find the other ones that I've already released, you will
see that the Chief's office is included in many of them,
different division chiefs, department wide emails.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You will you will.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
See this, and you see the dates of these emails.
This goes back to win in interm Chief Oscebato is here.
Then it rolled over to Interim Chief Morris. Now it
has rolled over to our new Hire prominent Chief Todd Chamberlain.
(10:13):
And here's's my thing, Ross, If nothing is going to change.
It's nothing, it's going to change, and the same people
remain in place. It doesn't matter who the police chief is.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
It's not going to matter because they clearly have created
their own narrative and will do anything and everything they
have to to protect it.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So what are you trying to accomplish now?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Well, you know I reached out. I didn't reach out.
I publicly pled for the governor to reach out to
me two Monday nights ago at the city council meeting.
I wanted to show him the video footage that is
also out on my ex account of this year torture
(11:06):
that is happening to these people. And instead of the
governor reaching out to me, the following morning, he called
the police on me and said that I was in
possession of and withholding evidence of a crime. So that's
the answer I got there. Ross. I want help. I
want help and I don't care where it comes from.
But help is not coming. Help is not coming for anybody,
(11:30):
to include other migrants, which the other side of the
aisle claims to propect and stand for. Help is not
coming from anybody until somebody admits to this, help is
not coming. These people are calling nine on one over
and over and over, and the police aren't coming. Well,
the police aren't coming because you can read the email
(11:52):
on my social media accounts that they can't come unless
there's at least three or four of them and an
armored vehicle. So they're not coming.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
So I want help.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I want help. I wanted to sit down with the governor.
I asked him. I publicly preaed with the governor to
put politics aside and reach out to me because it's
very clear to me that the cover up in the
police chief's office is despicable. And I am not sure
(12:24):
at this point where the city manager's involvement is. I'm
not sure, but it's all going to come out.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
They all know now.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I will tell you the city manager shut down Nome Street,
abated it. The city never in the history of itself
has abated an entire apartment complex. Well, the city manager
is going to have to stand that up.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
And there are many, many emails, many many emails, in
many many emails to come that will show what was
going on, the gang activity, the level of violence going on.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It no, so the city manager, he will have to
stand that up. I'm certain that at some point I
will be put on a witness stand somewhere in some courtroom,
I certainly plan to tell the truth. And I believe
that all of these police officers that have come to me,
that have ticked me off, that have given me information,
I certainly believe that any of them put under subpoena
(13:27):
and take the stand will tell the.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Truth as well.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And I was gonna that's my next question is probably
the last question we have time for.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
But as I see this, and you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
You've posted several things that the one that I'm looking
at where it's got one part of the police department
telling another part of the police department that the federal
government has said that that trendy Uragua has decided to
make Denver their headquarters, and it says in the letter
due to sanctuary policies and location. So it's seems to
(14:00):
me you must have a source inside the police department.
And I'm not going to ask you any any I mean,
you can say yes or no to that. But if
you get put on what if you get put on
a witness stand and they're going to ask you a
name where you got this stuff?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Well, several officers have already told me that they expect
to be subpoenaed in this, so it will all come out.
It will all come out in court. The thing of
it is, they're scrambling to figure out who my force
is in the police department, when in fact, well, I
have forces from all over the place. Now I have
(14:40):
firefighters now tipping me off. They tipped me off to
a fire that happened in Aurora. I have firefighters reaching
out to me. I have self paramedics reaching out to me.
I have spoken with HSI officers directly. The more that
comes out of this, and the more that the police department,
(15:04):
the city whoever, the governor, Kyle Clark, who, the more
that they continue to writ about this, the more and
more sources I gained people are set up ross. The
truth needs to come out once and for all. Put
it out there. This is what it is, and let's
solve the problem.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I'm especially seeing this kind of stuff that sure does
make it look like the police knew that the problem
was bigger than they ever said, and earlier than this
has ever been talked about before. Are pretty shocking, And
you know, I'm not I don't throw around terms like
(15:48):
this easily but it's got the feel of.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
A scandal to me.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And you know, Aurora is a very important city, third
biggest city in this state. And I'm I'm glad you're
I'm glad you're pursuing it. I'm glad people are trusting
you with this information so you can get this out
and and we'll keep in touch of course, and with
whatever comes next.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Thanks so much, Ross, talk to you you okay, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Danielle
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