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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm very pleased to welcome back to the show Chris Cuomo,
the host of The Cuomo Show on News Nation each
weeknight at six pm Mountain Time.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And Chris, first of all, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Good to have you at this slightly earlier time, which
means we can talk for a little bit longer than
we usually do.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Appreciate the opportunity. Good to be with you. Brother.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
My first question for you is, how did you celebrate
your birthday?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm pretty mellow, just hung around family, some friends. Nothing
birthday fifty four, but uh, you know, just try to
keep a temple, Try to keep a temple.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, it's nothing, isn't Every birthday is something? Birthday?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
All right, Shannon, you tell me when you're ready with
when you're ready with something, and otherwise I'm gonna keep
going with Chris. So, Chris, I started my show today
just expressing a little bit of frustration about how much
this election feels to me like it's about vibes and
I'm so sick of that word. And I bet it'll
be some dictionaries word of the year and not about
(01:03):
stuff that matters. Maybe vibes matter more than I think.
How do you think about the seriousness or lack thereof
of the elections so far.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Well, I think that you're stuck on a new word
for the familiar dynamic. I mean, when was the last
election that we had, let alone presidential election that was
about a serious policy debate? And I'll tell you what
frustrates me is that we all say we want policy
and we're all fos because boy does the personality stuff
(01:36):
and the fighting and the slogans and the gotchas, that's
what resonates, That's what moves the needle with the voters.
They all say they want policy. I remember, it's like
when people used to say, I want more hard news,
I want international news, I don't want sensationalism. And in
King Kardashian gets a new butch cheek and the internet
explosion everybody watching or wherever it is. So vibe is
(02:00):
just the new word for being in a personality contest.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Okay, being in.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
A battle of which is worse. That's what we're about.
In a binary system, I can only go one direction.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I get that, I fully get it, and I think
the Obama election that way in a certain sense. The
Trump election was that way too in twenty sixteen, But
I still feel that this election cycle is profoundly less
serious so far in how the candidates are treating it.
(02:33):
And maybe I'm just complaining about something that's irrelevant because
it just is what it is, and I just need
to notice what it is and talk about what it
is and react to what it is rather than thinking
it should be something else.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
We shouldn't think it should be something else, because that
is setting yourself up for an unreasonable expectation. This is
what works. Ross, Vote for me. Ross is a problem.
Did you hear this about Ross? Did you see what
Ross just said? Let me Stam's worse. You gotta vote
for me. That's what works. That's why when people do advice.
(03:10):
And remember, I'm not just you know, Garden Variety reporter.
I've been in the room when the commercial guys make
their pitches, when they showed the data, when they explained
the candidates why it is the way it is. You know,
I'm the guy who's lived it without the cameras around,
and they show you that you gotta go five seven,
nine to one negative ads to positive ads. That's how
(03:35):
you get your money worth. So that's what works.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Was was that true when you were in the room
with your dad or is that more of a newer thing.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
One of Alan Lickman's people should google him. L I
c htm An. He's the guy who's gotten ten for
ten in the last ten presidential cycles with his thirteen
keys that he developed with this other economist guy or
some whatever, some mask and the thirteen keys is how
he predicts his election. One of the thirteen keys is
a transcendent figure. My father was a transcendent figure. Now
(04:11):
I'm not just lionizing my pop. If you look back
and see why he's known, this is what he was.
He was about fighting for the underclass and doing more
for them. That's why he was a Democrat, because that's
what the Democratic Party was at that time. He was
a different kind of guy. But they are rare. They
(04:32):
are rare. Obama was one of those guys. He represented
something by his very existence and comportment that transcended, that
went across what was expected. Those are rare. Trump, in
a way, is a transcendent figure. He has become a
spirit animal for a movement of grievance that is not
(04:53):
a majority of the country, but it is a magnified
minority because of social media. And that's why he may
well lose the popular vote by millions of votes, but
when the electoral college, So, what are we supposed to do?
Ross that's the real question. Here's my decision. I am
going to keep pointing out that we're not doing what
(05:14):
we should be doing and that will get played. And
is that going to grow me? No? Probably not. They
get me fired, by the way, but certainly if I
weren't at NewsNation, it would probably get me fired. But
this NewsNation, you know, the bosses keep telling me, keep going,
this is this is what we want and are we growing? Yeah? Yeah?
(05:36):
I mean I on a good night, I get two
hundred thousand households watching the show, maybe combined to get
three hundred and fifty. I used to get eight nine
a million when I was at CNN, so I don't
have the same range. But I'm also not preaching to
the converted. I'm also saying the party people beat it, so,
(05:56):
you know, but I believe that that's how I can help.
In fact, my open tonight is an apology. I'm going
to start with an apology, and then I'm going to
get into whatever Trump does or does not say, and
how that reflects what he expects you to care about
in his economic delivery tonight. My apology do you want
to know what it is? My apology is this. I
(06:21):
was told by my boss the other night that you know,
you were talking about JD's ants and you said that
he is an as kisser to Trump and he just
did it at a convenience. We all watched it in
real time, and that's what Trump wants, that's why he
(06:43):
is working. And I said, yeah, that's one hundred percent true,
one hundred percent true. What I just said. Yeah, sounded mean,
though sounded personal, and I of course did what I
did best, which is bristle and argue. And then I
thought about it, He's right. No, not because he's my boss.
(07:07):
I have not told him he's right and he's right.
Why because why the f am I being what I oppose?
Why am I engaging and what I know doesn't matter?
Why Am I doing that because it feels good, because
(07:28):
it's effective, because it gets me clicks. And the answer
to that is yes, that's why I did it. I
did it because I thought it was going to be
persuasive and it was going to be well received by
my audience. And that is the wrong thing to do.
(07:51):
I'm not running for office, I am not in the
solicitation business. Why aren't I doing what regular people have
asked me to do since twenty fifteen? Ignore it and
focus on what matters. Why hasn't it clique for me?
Ross what I learned in my parent training when I
(08:15):
went to the Yale Behavioral Center and said, my wife
doesn't want me to put hands on my kids, my
son specifically when he's not doing what I'm supposed to do,
even though that's the way I was raised. I don't
know what to do. I don't have the tools. And
he said, you ignore the bad behaviors to the extent
that you can, and you focus on the positive behaviors
(08:36):
and you reinforce those. And we have thirty years of
behavioral science that suggests one conclusion that that's how you
change behavior by showing that when you do it right,
it works all right. You do it wrong, you don't
get it, And that's what we should be doing.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You and me, let me follow up on a couple
things you said there, and for those just joining. If
you don't recognize the voice we're talking with Chris Cuomo.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Of News Nation six pm Mountain Time. The Cuomo show.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I'll just follow up with you in order of the
in the order that you said things. So you talked
about how your audience at News Nation is smaller than
your audience at CNN, but you were kind of talking
in the context of the type of show you're doing,
which is, you know, nonpartisan truth telling. And you and
I might disagree on some things, but I definitely think
(09:24):
that's your that's what you're trying to do, and that's
what you are doing. So when you talk about the
audience being smaller, are you is that just because News
Nation is new and.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Still growing and just that.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Kind of dynamic, or or are you suggesting that your
reach is less because you're being a little bit less
partisan and people these days are just seeking so much
confirmation bias that if you decide to just be honest,
that you'll lose viewers.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Both. I think that people. I mean, you know, you
look at your comments on social media. People say, he's back,
here's the old rass, here's the ross. I love. When
you're doing what when you're saying what they agree with,
and when you say what they don't agree with, you're
a problem. You've lost it, You've changed, you've been bought off.
You've taken the red pill or the blue pill or
(10:18):
whatever pill, and that's the way we are because this
has been a very effective cultural degradation, this two party system.
It has worked well and you now have a magnified
minority that controls the majority. The other reason is News
Nation is new. The other reason is News Nation isn't
(10:41):
you know, spending every available dollar it has begging you
to watch it. Right, you don't see a lot of
News Nation ads and it's a crowded field and there's
a lot of media. So there are a lot of reasons.
There's never a single factor explanation for a complex dynamic.
But part of it is I don't preach to the converted.
If I went on TV tonight and said Ross in
(11:02):
the rest of America, I have decided there is no
choice here. You cannot vote for fill in the blank,
and I'll tell you ten reasons why it would go viral.
I'd be a big deal. Foremost back Papa, And as
long as I stay on that route and I start
beating the Jesus out of one of those two people
(11:27):
every night, I'd go from two hundred to three hundred,
four hundred probably somewhere have been forced to five hundred.
I feel very strong in the Touch crew. My demo
would go for some sixties seventies, so one hundred to
one hundred and sixties. And why not because there's more
(11:49):
available audience, because that's what the appetite is. Yea, what
do you think as the coincidence that the podcast world
is dominated by the right and far right perspectives, especially
with younger listeners and viewers. Why because you're preaching to
the converted, You're giving them a safe space to feel
what they want to feel without the antagonism of counterbalance.
(12:15):
I'm just saying, you got to make a choice if
you have a platform. And one of the reasons I
don't do a lot of this, one of the reasons
I do it with you, Ross is you are a
fair broker who is not just saying what will get
you paid, and we are in a business where people
are constantly trying to figure out how to get paid.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I appreciate that, and I think that's true, and I
hope that's true, and I aspire to that level of.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Honesty. I want to ask you one other thing, but.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Something you said earlier, you were talking about what you
said about jd Vance and then you said, in my mind,
I thought it would be persuasive. What were you trying
to persuade people of when you said what you said?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
That this guy is not to be taken seriously because
he has already showed what he is about. This is
a guy who thought that Trump could be another Hitler.
Do I agree with that assessment? No? Do I think
it's a reckless judgment? Yet? Why you think Trump's a
good guy? How in the ah did we get to
(13:22):
a place where because I think someone is not the
next Hitler, I support them? Right? That's how crazy zero
sum becomes. I want people to hear jd Vance and say,
but this guy is only saying this to be on
the team.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
All right, let me play Devil's Advocate for a second, because,
just for the record, going into the vice presidential pick,
I told my listeners the one pick among the people
who were being considered that I would consider unacceptable would
be jd Vance. So I am not a jd Vance fan,
But let me just play Devil's Advocate for a second.
We got about two minutes left here. Is it possible
(14:01):
that the guy really changed his mind based on watching the.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
World around him.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yes, yes, but you don't believe that that's really the answer.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
No, you said possible, right, I probably, I.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Know, I know, so you think possible, but not probable
would be your answer.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
We know what happened was he did this moment occur,
this epithantic episode when he was in a three way
primary and losing, and then Trump endorsed him and he won,
and all of a sudden he started saying different things. Yeah,
was there a coincidence there that those two things happen
at once? Then that's the explanation and I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, give me fifty nine seconds or less because I
like prime numbers on your thoughts on Tim Waltz as
a candidate.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
One, he's another example of the game being played. Okay,
what made him safe? That didn't make Shapiro safe. Second,
he's a crazy lefty. That is demonstrably false. You don't
have to like the policies, but he was dumb enough,
in my opinion, to say socialism. One man's socialism is
another man's neighborliness. You can't say that word. It is
(15:11):
as close to the equivalent of the end word we
have in our politics. Do you say socialism, you're a
dead man in America. With everyone from the center passed
to the right, you're done and some of the left,
you're gonna lose him. Why he said that, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But maybe he is a lefty. I mean, look, I don't.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
See his policies as crazy. I don't think free lunch
is crazy. I don't think leaving it to a doctor
and a woman to figure out when they need a
procedure is crazy. You know, I don't know. Look, here's
my problem with the socialist tag is that there's no
there there after that what policy is socialist? Clinton was
(15:55):
a socialist, Obama was a socialist, right Biden was a socialist.
Where's the socialism? When does it take hold? What is it?
Very latent? Yeah, I'm missing it.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I actually don't like the term socialist for him. I
like the term radical better. You know, I'm not a
big cultural issues guy, but you know, Tampon's in the
boys room is stuff that's going to piss people off,
and just the COVID snitch line, it's it's stuff that
feels like overbearing, petty tyranny. But it's all about vibes,
(16:24):
and he's running around smiling and laughing and that seems
to be what the people.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
But here's my problem with it. If you're going to
call him that, then apply the same label to limiting
reproductive rights to abortion and pretending that from the moment
of conception you have a person under the law, which
no one has ever found okay, And also do it
with every cultural issue that they have brought up. Having
(16:49):
a guy my size swimming or fighting or whatever against
the fifteen year old girl is a one in a
million situations. They found you eight or nine episodes of it.
They twisted the boxer in the Olympics into it. This
is also radical thinking, they say, no, the radical part
is that you want no more gender. That's just the
(17:10):
dumb idea. It's not a reality. It's not something that's
really being put on us. It's something that's being put
on you to keep you distracted from other questions. You
should be asked.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Look, I'm with you on all that, and in a sense.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I feel like I'm in a similar position to you,
and we're just about out of time here. But but
you know, I'm pro choice, I'm for gay marriage, I'm
for drug legalization.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I'm look, dude, I'm a Jewish libertarian.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So I don't fit over on that side either with
this cultural stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Libertarian libertarian lower case or I'm better than everybody else
and I just don't have to do anything.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
About lower casell. Libertarian not libertarian party members. People can
be can be a little wacky. I just believe in
freedom in the Constitution. We'll talk about it more next time. Folks,
watch Chris Cuomo every week night DVR ight if you
can't watch at six pm, it's on News Nation.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's a tremendous show.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Actually, the whole lineup on weekday evenings on News Nation
is fantastic and it's the go to watching for my family.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Thanks as always for your time, Chris Roth.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I love it. My new slogan is go pass left
and right and get back to reasonable.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Love it. I'm right there with you. Thanks Chris.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Soon, don't take it, don't take it.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I admire your passion. Talk to you next time, my friend.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Later book
I'm very pleased to welcome back to the show Chris Cuomo,
the host of The Cuomo Show on News Nation each
weeknight at six pm Mountain Time.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And Chris, first of all, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Good to have you at this slightly earlier time, which
means we can talk for a little bit longer than
we usually do.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Appreciate the opportunity. Good to be with you. Brother.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
My first question for you is, how did you celebrate
your birthday?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm pretty mellow, just hung around family, some friends. Nothing
birthday fifty four, but uh, you know, just try to
keep a temple, Try to keep a temple.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, it's nothing, isn't Every birthday is something? Birthday?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
All right, Shannon, you tell me when you're ready with
when you're ready with something, and otherwise I'm gonna keep
going with Chris. So, Chris, I started my show today
just expressing a little bit of frustration about how much
this election feels to me like it's about vibes and
I'm so sick of that word. And I bet it'll
be some dictionaries word of the year and not about
(01:03):
stuff that matters. Maybe vibes matter more than I think.
How do you think about the seriousness or lack thereof
of the elections so far.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Well, I think that you're stuck on a new word
for the familiar dynamic. I mean, when was the last
election that we had, let alone presidential election that was
about a serious policy debate? And I'll tell you what
frustrates me is that we all say we want policy
and we're all fos because boy does the personality stuff
(01:36):
and the fighting and the slogans and the gotchas, that's
what resonates, That's what moves the needle with the voters.
They all say they want policy. I remember, it's like
when people used to say, I want more hard news,
I want international news, I don't want sensationalism. And in
King Kardashian gets a new butch cheek and the internet
explosion everybody watching or wherever it is. So vibe is
(02:00):
just the new word for being in a personality contest.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Okay, being in.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
A battle of which is worse. That's what we're about.
In a binary system, I can only go one direction.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I get that, I fully get it, and I think
the Obama election that way in a certain sense. The
Trump election was that way too in twenty sixteen, But
I still feel that this election cycle is profoundly less
serious so far in how the candidates are treating it.
(02:33):
And maybe I'm just complaining about something that's irrelevant because
it just is what it is, and I just need
to notice what it is and talk about what it
is and react to what it is rather than thinking
it should be something else.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
We shouldn't think it should be something else, because that
is setting yourself up for an unreasonable expectation. This is
what works. Ross, Vote for me. Ross is a problem.
Did you hear this about Ross? Did you see what
Ross just said? Let me Stam's worse. You gotta vote
for me. That's what works. That's why when people do advice.
(03:10):
And remember, I'm not just you know, Garden Variety reporter.
I've been in the room when the commercial guys make
their pitches, when they showed the data, when they explained
the candidates why it is the way it is. You know,
I'm the guy who's lived it without the cameras around,
and they show you that you gotta go five seven,
nine to one negative ads to positive ads. That's how
(03:35):
you get your money worth. So that's what works.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Was was that true when you were in the room
with your dad or is that more of a newer thing.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
One of Alan Lickman's people should google him. L I
c htm An. He's the guy who's gotten ten for
ten in the last ten presidential cycles with his thirteen
keys that he developed with this other economist guy or
some whatever, some mask and the thirteen keys is how
he predicts his election. One of the thirteen keys is
a transcendent figure. My father was a transcendent figure. Now
(04:11):
I'm not just lionizing my pop. If you look back
and see why he's known, this is what he was.
He was about fighting for the underclass and doing more
for them. That's why he was a Democrat, because that's
what the Democratic Party was at that time. He was
a different kind of guy. But they are rare. They
(04:32):
are rare. Obama was one of those guys. He represented
something by his very existence and comportment that transcended, that
went across what was expected. Those are rare. Trump, in
a way, is a transcendent figure. He has become a
spirit animal for a movement of grievance that is not
(04:53):
a majority of the country, but it is a magnified
minority because of social media. And that's why he may
well lose the popular vote by millions of votes, but
when the electoral college, So, what are we supposed to do?
Ross that's the real question. Here's my decision. I am
going to keep pointing out that we're not doing what
(05:14):
we should be doing and that will get played. And
is that going to grow me? No? Probably not. They
get me fired, by the way, but certainly if I
weren't at NewsNation, it would probably get me fired. But
this NewsNation, you know, the bosses keep telling me, keep going,
this is this is what we want and are we growing? Yeah? Yeah?
(05:36):
I mean I on a good night, I get two
hundred thousand households watching the show, maybe combined to get
three hundred and fifty. I used to get eight nine
a million when I was at CNN, so I don't
have the same range. But I'm also not preaching to
the converted. I'm also saying the party people beat it, so,
(05:56):
you know, but I believe that that's how I can help.
In fact, my open tonight is an apology. I'm going
to start with an apology, and then I'm going to
get into whatever Trump does or does not say, and
how that reflects what he expects you to care about
in his economic delivery tonight. My apology do you want
to know what it is? My apology is this. I
(06:21):
was told by my boss the other night that you know,
you were talking about JD's ants and you said that
he is an as kisser to Trump and he just
did it at a convenience. We all watched it in
real time, and that's what Trump wants, that's why he
(06:43):
is working. And I said, yeah, that's one hundred percent true,
one hundred percent true. What I just said. Yeah, sounded mean,
though sounded personal, and I of course did what I
did best, which is bristle and argue. And then I
thought about it, He's right. No, not because he's my boss.
(07:07):
I have not told him he's right and he's right.
Why because why the f am I being what I oppose?
Why am I engaging and what I know doesn't matter?
Why Am I doing that because it feels good, because
(07:28):
it's effective, because it gets me clicks. And the answer
to that is yes, that's why I did it. I
did it because I thought it was going to be
persuasive and it was going to be well received by
my audience. And that is the wrong thing to do.
(07:51):
I'm not running for office, I am not in the
solicitation business. Why aren't I doing what regular people have
asked me to do since twenty fifteen? Ignore it and
focus on what matters. Why hasn't it clique for me?
Ross what I learned in my parent training when I
(08:15):
went to the Yale Behavioral Center and said, my wife
doesn't want me to put hands on my kids, my
son specifically when he's not doing what I'm supposed to do,
even though that's the way I was raised. I don't
know what to do. I don't have the tools. And
he said, you ignore the bad behaviors to the extent
that you can, and you focus on the positive behaviors
(08:36):
and you reinforce those. And we have thirty years of
behavioral science that suggests one conclusion that that's how you
change behavior by showing that when you do it right,
it works all right. You do it wrong, you don't
get it, And that's what we should be doing.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You and me, let me follow up on a couple
things you said there, and for those just joining. If
you don't recognize the voice we're talking with Chris Cuomo.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Of News Nation six pm Mountain Time. The Cuomo show.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I'll just follow up with you in order of the
in the order that you said things. So you talked
about how your audience at News Nation is smaller than
your audience at CNN, but you were kind of talking
in the context of the type of show you're doing,
which is, you know, nonpartisan truth telling. And you and
I might disagree on some things, but I definitely think
(09:24):
that's your that's what you're trying to do, and that's
what you are doing. So when you talk about the
audience being smaller, are you is that just because News
Nation is new and.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Still growing and just that.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Kind of dynamic, or or are you suggesting that your
reach is less because you're being a little bit less
partisan and people these days are just seeking so much
confirmation bias that if you decide to just be honest,
that you'll lose viewers.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Both. I think that people. I mean, you know, you
look at your comments on social media. People say, he's back,
here's the old rass, here's the ross. I love. When
you're doing what when you're saying what they agree with,
and when you say what they don't agree with, you're
a problem. You've lost it, You've changed, you've been bought off.
You've taken the red pill or the blue pill or
(10:18):
whatever pill, and that's the way we are because this
has been a very effective cultural degradation, this two party system.
It has worked well and you now have a magnified
minority that controls the majority. The other reason is News
Nation is new. The other reason is News Nation isn't
(10:41):
you know, spending every available dollar it has begging you
to watch it. Right, you don't see a lot of
News Nation ads and it's a crowded field and there's
a lot of media. So there are a lot of reasons.
There's never a single factor explanation for a complex dynamic.
But part of it is I don't preach to the converted.
If I went on TV tonight and said Ross in
(11:02):
the rest of America, I have decided there is no
choice here. You cannot vote for fill in the blank,
and I'll tell you ten reasons why it would go viral.
I'd be a big deal. Foremost back Papa, And as
long as I stay on that route and I start
beating the Jesus out of one of those two people
(11:27):
every night, I'd go from two hundred to three hundred,
four hundred probably somewhere have been forced to five hundred.
I feel very strong in the Touch crew. My demo
would go for some sixties seventies, so one hundred to
one hundred and sixties. And why not because there's more
(11:49):
available audience, because that's what the appetite is. Yea, what
do you think as the coincidence that the podcast world
is dominated by the right and far right perspectives, especially
with younger listeners and viewers. Why because you're preaching to
the converted, You're giving them a safe space to feel
what they want to feel without the antagonism of counterbalance.
(12:15):
I'm just saying, you got to make a choice if
you have a platform. And one of the reasons I
don't do a lot of this, one of the reasons
I do it with you, Ross is you are a
fair broker who is not just saying what will get
you paid, and we are in a business where people
are constantly trying to figure out how to get paid.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I appreciate that, and I think that's true, and I
hope that's true, and I aspire to that level of.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Honesty. I want to ask you one other thing, but.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Something you said earlier, you were talking about what you
said about jd Vance and then you said, in my mind,
I thought it would be persuasive. What were you trying
to persuade people of when you said what you said?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
That this guy is not to be taken seriously because
he has already showed what he is about. This is
a guy who thought that Trump could be another Hitler.
Do I agree with that assessment? No? Do I think
it's a reckless judgment? Yet? Why you think Trump's a
good guy? How in the ah did we get to
(13:22):
a place where because I think someone is not the
next Hitler, I support them? Right? That's how crazy zero
sum becomes. I want people to hear jd Vance and say,
but this guy is only saying this to be on
the team.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
All right, let me play Devil's Advocate for a second, because,
just for the record, going into the vice presidential pick,
I told my listeners the one pick among the people
who were being considered that I would consider unacceptable would
be jd Vance. So I am not a jd Vance fan,
But let me just play Devil's Advocate for a second.
We got about two minutes left here. Is it possible
(14:01):
that the guy really changed his mind based on watching the.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
World around him.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yes, yes, but you don't believe that that's really the answer.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
No, you said possible, right, I probably, I.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Know, I know, so you think possible, but not probable
would be your answer.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
We know what happened was he did this moment occur,
this epithantic episode when he was in a three way
primary and losing, and then Trump endorsed him and he won,
and all of a sudden he started saying different things. Yeah,
was there a coincidence there that those two things happen
at once? Then that's the explanation and I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, give me fifty nine seconds or less because I
like prime numbers on your thoughts on Tim Waltz as
a candidate.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
One, he's another example of the game being played. Okay,
what made him safe? That didn't make Shapiro safe. Second,
he's a crazy lefty. That is demonstrably false. You don't
have to like the policies, but he was dumb enough,
in my opinion, to say socialism. One man's socialism is
another man's neighborliness. You can't say that word. It is
(15:11):
as close to the equivalent of the end word we
have in our politics. Do you say socialism, you're a
dead man in America. With everyone from the center passed
to the right, you're done and some of the left,
you're gonna lose him. Why he said that, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But maybe he is a lefty. I mean, look, I don't.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
See his policies as crazy. I don't think free lunch
is crazy. I don't think leaving it to a doctor
and a woman to figure out when they need a
procedure is crazy. You know, I don't know. Look, here's
my problem with the socialist tag is that there's no
there there after that what policy is socialist? Clinton was
(15:55):
a socialist, Obama was a socialist, right Biden was a socialist.
Where's the socialism? When does it take hold? What is it?
Very latent? Yeah, I'm missing it.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I actually don't like the term socialist for him. I
like the term radical better. You know, I'm not a
big cultural issues guy, but you know, Tampon's in the
boys room is stuff that's going to piss people off,
and just the COVID snitch line, it's it's stuff that
feels like overbearing, petty tyranny. But it's all about vibes,
(16:24):
and he's running around smiling and laughing and that seems
to be what the people.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
But here's my problem with it. If you're going to
call him that, then apply the same label to limiting
reproductive rights to abortion and pretending that from the moment
of conception you have a person under the law, which
no one has ever found okay, And also do it
with every cultural issue that they have brought up. Having
(16:49):
a guy my size swimming or fighting or whatever against
the fifteen year old girl is a one in a
million situations. They found you eight or nine episodes of it.
They twisted the boxer in the Olympics into it. This
is also radical thinking, they say, no, the radical part
is that you want no more gender. That's just the
(17:10):
dumb idea. It's not a reality. It's not something that's
really being put on us. It's something that's being put
on you to keep you distracted from other questions. You
should be asked.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Look, I'm with you on all that, and in a sense.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I feel like I'm in a similar position to you,
and we're just about out of time here. But but
you know, I'm pro choice, I'm for gay marriage, I'm
for drug legalization.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I'm look, dude, I'm a Jewish libertarian.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So I don't fit over on that side either with
this cultural stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Libertarian libertarian lower case or I'm better than everybody else
and I just don't have to do anything.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
About lower casell. Libertarian not libertarian party members. People can
be can be a little wacky. I just believe in
freedom in the Constitution. We'll talk about it more next time. Folks,
watch Chris Cuomo every week night DVR ight if you
can't watch at six pm, it's on News Nation.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's a tremendous show.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Actually, the whole lineup on weekday evenings on News Nation
is fantastic and it's the go to watching for my family.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Thanks as always for your time, Chris Roth.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I love it. My new slogan is go pass left
and right and get back to reasonable.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Love it. I'm right there with you. Thanks Chris.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Soon, don't take it, don't take it.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I admire your passion. Talk to you next time, my friend.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Later book
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