April 24, 2025 • 6 mins
Mike and Campy debate on sports teams named after Native Americans
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
President Trump was asked yesterday about the Washington Redskins name
and possibly reviving that branding in connection with the new
stadium deal there in Washington, DC, and he said he's
all for it. He pointed out, and I think rightfully so,
that there is a divide between sports media, who often
(00:20):
is offended and thinks that those references are outdated and offensive,
and then the fans of teams like the Washington Redskins
or the Cleveland Indians don't really have a problem with it.
For the most part, there are fans who are offended
by that. I don't get it. But so Trump says, yeah,
(00:40):
I don't really have a say in this, but I
am all for reviving some of these Native American logos
and names. You talk about the Cleveland Indians, you talk
about the Washington Redskins. You know the Kansas City Chiefs.
How they still have you know that logo and that name.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well, that one, by the way, surprising that one has
nothing to do with the Native Americans. That was the
nickname of the mayor of Kansas City, and they called him chief.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I mean they got arrow Head Stadium with Adian Arrow.
I mean that you're drawing a pretty straight line there. Well,
I get what you're saying, the braves. And I got
a buddy who's is a big Redskins fan and he
has all of his Redskins gear. He still calls them
the Redskins.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I know, And I get that all the time in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And even the guy the Indian chief whose face is
was the inspiration for the logo on the helmet, Yes,
I mean that family wants it back. He was a
Blackfeet chief, chief white calf. Yes, that's whose face they used.
And his family actually says no, no, no, we want
(01:49):
it back. That honors him.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
The traditional head gear. I'm okay with. I am not
okay with the color of the skin thing.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I just and I but why so, here's my problem.
Can't be.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You are a white male. Why are you offended on
the behalf of somebody else? Ask the people who who
this is supposed to be offensive towards, Because overwhelmingly these
Native American tribes think it's it's an honor that if
all this goes away and you start cleaning up, there's
no more Indians, there's no more chiefs, there's no more braves,
(02:25):
then it all goes away. What did we do you
forget the Native American heritage. This is a way to
honor these folks. I mean, it's not in a derogatory
you want to take. You want to a Chief Wahoo. Okay,
maybe that was a little bit offensive. Again not I'm
not offended, and I shouldn't be because I'm a white male.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I'm not offended by that.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
But if I was a Native American, Okay, maybe the
Chief Wahoo kind of the cartoony Indian, maybe it's no different.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That's no different though, But I mean people get offended.
We would get offended if we saw a mascot logo
that looked like blackface.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
That's the same thing. It's the same thing. You have
to I mean these people, but you have to ask
those who are supposed to be offended.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I have, I have the they've been protesting.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
The Washington whitey whites, the Washy whites. I mean, would
you be offended as a white male?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You mean, like if it was like the Cleveland Crackers
something like I'm Irish?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah? Am I offended by Notre dames fighting Irish?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I mean, how stereotypical is it to have a drunk
Irish guy who wants to fight a leprechaun who's always
got his dukes up like that.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I'm an Irish American. I had a set of grandparents
that were born in Ireland. I'm not offended by that.
I think it's funny. I think it's cool the fighting Irish. Well,
but how stereotypical is that?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
But an Irish is that you're Irish from Ireland, Irish.
You're not getting the derogatory term of what someone from
Ireland is.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But it's but it's a it's a stereotype of a
fight of a drunk, bar brawling irishman. I'm just saying,
you have a bunch of bourbon white people that are
offended on behalf of the Native Americans who again largely
endorse the use of the name Indian chiefs redskins, and
they endorsed the use of the logos of their chief
(04:15):
as two guns, two guns, white cats.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Do you know that for certain that there's a majority
of the individuals that are because I've heard differently about
this stuff. Fighting Seminoles is an actual state Seminoles that
is an actual Native America and they were and they're
they're indigenous to that area.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But the Cleveland baseball team, by the way, this is
their sixth name change, their sixth name change, and everybody,
because I go back to the old one. Which one
do you want the Cleveland Blues when they were in
the National League, or the Spiders or the buck Eyes
or the Naps, no mean, And that Indian story. By
the way, they had an Indian baseball player who was
(04:57):
treated horribly and they used him as a map Scott
more than the players. So I'm just saying history behind it,
and that was that was happening at that time. You know,
at the time they didn't think it was wrong. We
know now that that was wrong, how that guy was treated.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Well, isn't that okay to change things? But just to
have a generic We're just the Indians.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And how many high schools, how many high schools and
middle schools are out there using chiefs Indian? We my
son played lacrosse game the other day against Canal Winchester
Middle School and it's the Indians.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, well Indian And I will say to be fair,
to be fair, Indian is means people of God. So
as there's a problem, there was enough of a problem
that he felt it was just safer to change it.
I'm okay with it. I like the history of the
name Guardians, So I'm just one of those guys that
goes with the flow, and I I have Guardians gear.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Now I do have an Indian shirt.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But I don't see the problem with with erasing some
of the crap that we've done over the past. We
say it happened back then, Well then let's get rid
of the back then and start a new instead of
it being a derogatory term for a Native American people who,
by the way.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Got thrown out.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
What's what's derogatory about calling them what they are?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
They're the Indians. What about the braves?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
No, braves is actually a nickname for a young warrior,
So I'm okay with that. Yes, braves in North Dakota
fighting sue is okay, they're indigenous to that area as well.
But the but the term for the color of the
skin I have I personally have always had a problem
with red skins.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
But if the guy who's who's Chief Wahoo, whose.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Image is based on the reds if they're family, the
artistry is great is saying hey, look, we're not offended
by this. And if we're the ones who who would
be offended by it, and we're not, then.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
What's the problem.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's it's it's it's white people who are offended on
the behalf of other people who are not
President Trump was asked yesterday about the Washington Redskins name
and possibly reviving that branding in connection with the new
stadium deal there in Washington, DC, and he said he's
all for it. He pointed out, and I think rightfully so,
that there is a divide between sports media, who often
(00:20):
is offended and thinks that those references are outdated and offensive,
and then the fans of teams like the Washington Redskins
or the Cleveland Indians don't really have a problem with it.
For the most part, there are fans who are offended
by that. I don't get it. But so Trump says, yeah,
(00:40):
I don't really have a say in this, but I
am all for reviving some of these Native American logos
and names. You talk about the Cleveland Indians, you talk
about the Washington Redskins. You know the Kansas City Chiefs.
How they still have you know that logo and that name.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well, that one, by the way, surprising that one has
nothing to do with the Native Americans. That was the
nickname of the mayor of Kansas City, and they called him chief.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I mean they got arrow Head Stadium with Adian Arrow.
I mean that you're drawing a pretty straight line there. Well,
I get what you're saying, the braves. And I got
a buddy who's is a big Redskins fan and he
has all of his Redskins gear. He still calls them
the Redskins.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I know, And I get that all the time in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And even the guy the Indian chief whose face is
was the inspiration for the logo on the helmet, Yes,
I mean that family wants it back. He was a
Blackfeet chief, chief white calf. Yes, that's whose face they used.
And his family actually says no, no, no, we want
(01:49):
it back. That honors him.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
The traditional head gear. I'm okay with. I am not
okay with the color of the skin thing.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I just and I but why so, here's my problem.
Can't be.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You are a white male. Why are you offended on
the behalf of somebody else? Ask the people who who
this is supposed to be offensive towards, Because overwhelmingly these
Native American tribes think it's it's an honor that if
all this goes away and you start cleaning up, there's
no more Indians, there's no more chiefs, there's no more braves,
(02:25):
then it all goes away. What did we do you
forget the Native American heritage. This is a way to
honor these folks. I mean, it's not in a derogatory
you want to take. You want to a Chief Wahoo. Okay,
maybe that was a little bit offensive. Again not I'm
not offended, and I shouldn't be because I'm a white male.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I'm not offended by that.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
But if I was a Native American, Okay, maybe the
Chief Wahoo kind of the cartoony Indian, maybe it's no different.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That's no different though, But I mean people get offended.
We would get offended if we saw a mascot logo
that looked like blackface.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
That's the same thing. It's the same thing. You have
to I mean these people, but you have to ask
those who are supposed to be offended.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I have, I have the they've been protesting.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
The Washington whitey whites, the Washy whites. I mean, would
you be offended as a white male?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You mean, like if it was like the Cleveland Crackers
something like I'm Irish?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah? Am I offended by Notre dames fighting Irish?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I mean, how stereotypical is it to have a drunk
Irish guy who wants to fight a leprechaun who's always
got his dukes up like that.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I'm an Irish American. I had a set of grandparents
that were born in Ireland. I'm not offended by that.
I think it's funny. I think it's cool the fighting Irish. Well,
but how stereotypical is that?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
But an Irish is that you're Irish from Ireland, Irish.
You're not getting the derogatory term of what someone from
Ireland is.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But it's but it's a it's a stereotype of a
fight of a drunk, bar brawling irishman. I'm just saying,
you have a bunch of bourbon white people that are
offended on behalf of the Native Americans who again largely
endorse the use of the name Indian chiefs redskins, and
they endorsed the use of the logos of their chief
(04:15):
as two guns, two guns, white cats.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Do you know that for certain that there's a majority
of the individuals that are because I've heard differently about
this stuff. Fighting Seminoles is an actual state Seminoles that
is an actual Native America and they were and they're
they're indigenous to that area.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But the Cleveland baseball team, by the way, this is
their sixth name change, their sixth name change, and everybody,
because I go back to the old one. Which one
do you want the Cleveland Blues when they were in
the National League, or the Spiders or the buck Eyes
or the Naps, no mean, And that Indian story. By
the way, they had an Indian baseball player who was
(04:57):
treated horribly and they used him as a map Scott
more than the players. So I'm just saying history behind it,
and that was that was happening at that time. You know,
at the time they didn't think it was wrong. We
know now that that was wrong, how that guy was treated.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Well, isn't that okay to change things? But just to
have a generic We're just the Indians.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And how many high schools, how many high schools and
middle schools are out there using chiefs Indian? We my
son played lacrosse game the other day against Canal Winchester
Middle School and it's the Indians.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, well Indian And I will say to be fair,
to be fair, Indian is means people of God. So
as there's a problem, there was enough of a problem
that he felt it was just safer to change it.
I'm okay with it. I like the history of the
name Guardians, So I'm just one of those guys that
goes with the flow, and I I have Guardians gear.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Now I do have an Indian shirt.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But I don't see the problem with with erasing some
of the crap that we've done over the past. We
say it happened back then, Well then let's get rid
of the back then and start a new instead of
it being a derogatory term for a Native American people who,
by the way.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Got thrown out.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
What's what's derogatory about calling them what they are?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
They're the Indians. What about the braves?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
No, braves is actually a nickname for a young warrior,
So I'm okay with that. Yes, braves in North Dakota
fighting sue is okay, they're indigenous to that area as well.
But the but the term for the color of the
skin I have I personally have always had a problem
with red skins.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
But if the guy who's who's Chief Wahoo, whose.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Image is based on the reds if they're family, the
artistry is great is saying hey, look, we're not offended
by this. And if we're the ones who who would
be offended by it, and we're not, then.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
What's the problem.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's it's it's it's white people who are offended on
the behalf of other people who are not
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