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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So a lot of people asking the question, what's happening
with these dangerous dogs and all? It seems like we're,
what about once a week, once every other week, we're
having some sort of horrible report that comes in where,
for instance, you know, just this year twenty twenty five,
family dog kills a seven month old girl on Columbus's
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far south side. A North London resident fends off a
couple of dogs with a shovel after they attacked an
eight year old boy, which did cause severe injuries. A
mother and son sentenced to more than a decade in
prison for the fatal dog attack on their neighbor in
Pickaway County.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Also had one up and Mary in which I last
week I found odd the people who owned the dogs
that attacked and killed a six month old of our
facing charges, went to Jay owner facing charges, whereas in
Columbus they said they don't think they'll be filing charges.
It's not that I want retribution against anybody, it just
seems that's very unbalanced in the state of Ohio to
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have two very similar cases and charges against one couple
and not against the.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Other pitbull the one and Marian. Yeah, that seems to
be that kind of seems to be the culprit, if
you will. He is Scotty the dog trainer Canin and Ponderosa. Scotty.
I've known Scotty a while now and Scotty friend of
the show. Scotti. Thanks for joining us today, brother. How
are you I'm doing good.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
How are you doing, Mark Blazer?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, you know, doing okay.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I've had actually a really good day so far, which
entailed going down and seeing some behind the scenes stuff
with the Blue Jackets earlier today, and so it's been
a really good day for me. Man. Plus it's so
nice outside. This is the day where you get your
dogs out, and you got them out running around I'm sure,
and exercising and doing their thing, and they're loving it,
I bet.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
And cutting the grass. They love it. When the grass
is cut, they can run like the wind.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, they're like, hey, thanks for carving up our freshening
up our bathroom for us.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Dad.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
That's what Estra does, like I'll mo. And then she
loves it right after that because well she's she's short
to the ground, so once the the grass gets long enough,
it's you know, it's uncomfortable for her to squat. It's
going where it shouldn't be going, and so's she'll go
on the malt. She'll go anywhere where there's not something
sticking up where the sun don't shine and you know,
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kind of a thing. So then I'll know and she's
all happy.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
She got down on both beer legs go down when
she goes to the bathroom. Yeah, that always. Lupa makes
me laugh because she only puts down. The left leg
is down, the right leg lifts up. Oh, she squats.
It's it's so unusual to see a dog with just
one leg.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Scottie Chucks got a. Lupa is a Chihuahua. And how
old is she?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
How she is between eight and nine? Now, Yeah, she's
always you wouldn't regret it.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I love her as much as I could ever love.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Any animal in my house.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
She's she's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So they are many, I know they always do.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Somebody walks by with a Yorkie and she's like, eh,
somebody goes by with a German shepherd Doberman.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Pit bullsh you need.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
To put your little loop a butt in neutral.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Scotty worked with esther when we first got her. Puppy,
uh what was it called? Puppy puppy preschool. That's it.
And you were like little Mike Tyson and you say,
get ready. Man, she has have a five hundred word
vocabulary and she does. Dude, it's you you called it.
I mean it's so. She is so and she's going
to be three, coming up in May now at time
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flies and uh so, yeah, we we I don't know.
We see these sad stories about you know, what's happening
these dangerous dogs and so on, and give us your
take on this, because it seems like pitbulls are are
always the culprit in these As a matter of fact,
as I looked up some of this stuff, Scotty, what
breeds are types of dogs bite the most? That's in
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this article that I was reading, and this is about Ohio.
Some bite reports contained specifics like the dog's name, the breed,
the address. A lot of reports fail to give those details,
but often dogs are listed on the reports as mixed
or pit bull like. And this is eighty five different
public health agencies here in Ohio that that they've collected
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this data from. But what are your thoughts? And because
you worked with Caesar Milan, I mean you've you've been
around the block, man, you've been doing this a million years.
But yes, sir, what is your take? Is it a
specific breed, is it the owner, is it the I mean,
there's the mix. I mean, what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, first of all, there are good pit bull owners
out there, but I think what happens is especially during
like the uptick right now, that's happening, and I kind
of predicted it is because of the pandemic. There was
a wave of adoptions. It cleared out all the kennels
and there are literally millions of new dog owners, which
is so cool. But however, there are the lockdown A
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lot of the dogs were not getting socialized, and you
just want to jump right into it. Here we're talking
about powerpro breed dogs mauling and killing children and adults
weekly in our country. Like I said, yes, it is
an uptick, but it's always been happening for as long
as I can remember, and the perfect scenario as far
as I'm concerned, what I've been seeing is, you know,
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a backyard breeder or a poorly bred dog. It can
even be a good breeder, because it's all about when
the dog is taken from the litter and what they
lose that dog bite inhibition or the ability to control
their dog bite pressure. So they're playing with their littermates
and they have these razor sharp teeth and they nip
at the other puppy and the puppy will yelp, and
that's nature teaching dog bite inhibition or the puppy, hey,
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don't bite so hard, you know, And then they go
through life understanding that. And a lot of these dogs
are taken from the litter too early, so they don't
know how to do that, and they'll bite, latch and
rip and tear and so like an example is with
puppies playing with another puppy and you know, they yelp,
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But the whole thing is there's no leadership and the
dogs are in the backyard and nobody's doing anything with them,
and they're exhibiting predatory behavior. Little Johnny shows up, the
dog barks a little Johnny Johnny leeves. Now the dog
has predatory you know behavior there, and then the mailman comes.
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The dog barks at the mailman. The mailman leaves. Now
the dog's buildings his predatory parade drive. And so then
what happens is the dog gets out of the backyard
and now he's on the hunt, you know, and the
ultimate mauling adventure. I guess you could say super pent
up predatory frustration.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well then, I mean there's no way to get around
what you're talking about unless there you keep them with
the pack, if you will, and then they maybe that
yelp and all that keeps all of that at bay.
But if they're you know, that predatory thing that you're
talking about that develops feels like it's going to develop
if you only have one dog. Hell even if you
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have you know, two dogs, that it's going to unfortunately
build and you get a dog, for instance, I you
know the type of dog that you know, people say, well,
pit bulls. I mean the number one thing I hear
from pit bull owners is oh, they're a big baby,
they wouldn't hurt anybody. And next thing you know, you know,
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they're eating somebody, or they eat some kid, or they
do something horrible. And if it's if death isn't the result,
it's usually a maiming or something along those lines, and
everybody goes they get a bad rap. And certainly like
a dog like Esther or a Jack Russell is capable,
she has incredible bite pressure. But she's not attacking people.
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The only thing she tries to get her squirrels and rabbits,
and that's the in her DNA. But she just licks
everybody to death. She's incredibly friendly. I just don't know
that by and large, pit bulls do that. It's it's
maybe it's something that comes from the person they're running toward,
that like kicks in with them, and that person they say,
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you know, they know, dogs know if you're afraid or whatever,
and so maybe that that's what triggered something in them.
But it just seems like you never hear of a
Jack Russell or a Chihuahua, you know, resulting in death
or somebody losing a limb or something over it.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You know, and you know you can you can block
things like that. You know. I was jogging at the
Allen Creek State Park many years ago and a big
black pit bull can flying up on me. And I knew,
because I'm certifying police Knine write Control of Personal Protection,
I knew to freeze and he came in lowly ground
and then he trotted off. I was like, what the heck?
But you know, you can't stop the dog from attacking
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you a lot of times people squeal and then they
wiggle around and now they're the prey. They're acting like
a rabbit. So it kicks in the mollie and you
never want to fall down on the ground. Whenever one
of these dogs is attacking you, you can literally block
them with the clipboard, your ball cap, rip your shirt off,
take your jacket off, put it between you and the dog. So, yeah,
this has really bothered me for a long time because
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there's really nobody standing up and protecting. Can you imagine
a child or a grandmother being attacked and dying like
this Mark, It's got to be one of the worst
ways to die. They're literally getting eaten to death. It's
just terrible.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, well, you know, the pushback against banning a pit
bull would just be amazing. But from what it sounds
like you're talking about the weaning time, keeping the dogs
with mother and siblings and so forth in the litter,
would it make sense, be more practical, maybe more plausible
if Ohio started looking at maybe you know, no adoption
or sale of pit bull puppies until they have reached
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you know, ten weeks or something, so that maybe they're
more acclimated.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
You're right there, needed to be something done. What it is,
I don't know. As citizens, we need to do something,
come together and figure that out. Again, it's not always
pit bulls. We like to say powerful breed dogs, but
the pit bulls are like gladiators. If you've ever seen
one go into the you know, the kill mode, it's
pretty frightening. The one police officer, bless his heart, he
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came out because of the pit bull killed somebody and
he came out and the pit bull came after him.
He just got out of his vehicle and he had
to shoot it, and he was shooting it, that thing
was still coming after him. So they're extremely wonderful dogs
if they're if they're raised correctly, they're very stoic.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I can't I it is crazy to think this guy's
shooting this dog and it's still coming at clearly did
anything vital enough, but that when you got stoddy was crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
No matter what creature you are, that kind of adrenaline flow,
I can imagine, it takes a lot to put them down.
And I this, you know, maybe it's just folklore, but
I had heard for so long that a lot of
these pit bull puppies are insane because of all the
inbreeding breaders wanting to get him out there as quickly
as possible. So you got brothers and sisters genetically making
new puppies and so forth, and after a few generations
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of that, you got brain damage killing machines out here.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I think that's the reason. Scotty too.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, it can be. Yeah, absolutely, And then you know,
like a backyard reader and hey, come on over, Johnny,
and I'll give you one of my pit bull puppies
of two weeks, three weeks, and now they missed that
crew time in their life where they learned dog bite inhibition.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting somebody as educated as you are
with this. I mean, it's like breathing for you. With dogs,
they respond to you, they feel it. I witnessed it,
and out at Canine Ponderosa, where you're at and where
you're set up, I witnessed it. And if you're going, man,
I don't know exactly what we do here, gosh. I mean,
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if somebody owns if you have a pit bull and
it kills like your child or whatever, I don't understand
how you could not be held responsible for that. You
are respond It's no different than if you have a
gun and they ended up shooting themselves and killing themselves
except worse. Probably the way to go. As far as
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if a pit bull takes out a kid or what
have you. The people absolutely who own those dogs they
have to be culpable in this situation. I don't care
what the circumstance or anything. I just feel like they
need to be culpable. And it doesn't bring the kid.
But that's something it seems like people are absent on
thinking about if they own those type breeds when they
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have little ones.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, there absolutely needs to be something done. And you know,
there are some dog trainers that are proclaiming they rehab
the dog, and you know, if a dog bites, latches
on and rifts and tears, I'm no longer going to
train a dog like that now. I used to, but
I've learned that you cannot train the dog that out
of a dog. However, there are dog trainers that say, oh, yes,
we can't. Well, no, you can't because they will always
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have that. And you know, you can make them a
good dog, you can train them and manage them, but
if little Johnny corners them, they're going to resort back.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
To that like that will never go away. They're always
going to react that way once they begin correct.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Well, you can never say never, but more than likely
that will never go away. And I just said never,
but because you know it's on their hard drive and
they know they got that, and those like example, dog
trainer says, oh, rehab, the dog is great, and then
you know they go home and he gets put in
a stressful situation and it goes, well, you know, I've
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tried everything I tried to warn you, and you're still
coming at me, so I'm gonna go ahead and bite you. However,
what's happening here is these dogs are going on the
hunt and they're being almost like the perfect scenario. They're
in the backyard and they're running round in the backyard
and predatory behavior. They're not in the backyard playing and
chilling out and having fun. And it's almost odd because
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I can like spot it, you know, I can tell
this dog that dog. But again, there are unbelievably beautiful,
wonderful pit bulls out there and responsible pit bull owners.
I just I think it's almost fifty to fifty and unfortunately,
Mark and Chuck. In my world, a powerful breed dog
is guilty until proven innocent.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, that seems to be seems to be the case.
He's owner at Canine Ponderosa, Scottie the dog trainer. Of
course you can look him up. It's Canine K and
then dash and the numeral nine K nine Ponderosa I
think correct, that's the K and then yeah, okay, yeah it.
People can contact you that way for further information and
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of course to enlist your services and so on. You're
so booked, You've you've done work with Marshall and with
me and a lot of people here locally. As far
as that goes in the media and all of that,
I can personally recommend that you know, you're fantastic with
these dogs. It was a lot of fun being out there,
and Scotty, I appreciate you jumping on with us today.
Brother continued success to you man.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Thank you, Mark and Chuck. I have a good day, guys.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Thanks you too.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Man,