Craig Conover: Sewing Down South. Southern Charm. Mental Health. Gratitude.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Okay, little food for yourself life. Oh it's pretty Bay,
It's pretty beautiful. Laughs, a little mouth kicking four brown. Okay,

(00:33):
Happy Halloween. Finally, my interview with Craig is going up.
Craig came over from Southern Charm and he's awesome and
we talked forever. I'm just setting this up that this
is the longest podcast that I've ever done, and I
think it's just because he was so cool, like kind
of surface e on TV, but actually a lot of
depth to him and he's got a lot of layers
and I found him to be very interesting and he

(00:54):
kind of had friends over and I had friends and
family over and we hung out for hours and we
recorded a lot of it. So yeah, that's what you're
gonna listen to is our little chats. So a big
thank you to Craig for coming by and having this
very long chat. I mean, pro tip might be you
could listen to this on like the faster speeds you
can get through it faster. Or maybe you have a
long run on the treadmill, or you got a lot

(01:15):
of laundry to do, or you got a long drive somewhere, Um,
you can listen to this or you may break it
up within like a few days and listen to it all,
but I hope you do listen. I hope you enjoy it.
And I'm not going to do an outro like an
email shout out at the end, just because it's already
too long, so I'm just doing a quick intro here,
but I just will give a shout out since I'm

(01:35):
not going to do an email shout out, I'm just
gonna give a shout out to all of you who
have listened to this podcast and supported it and posted
about it and subscribed and maybe rated and reviewed and
maybe send me emails encouragement or maybe send me emails
of constructive criticism. Either way, you're part of it. You're
part of the group, and you're part of it growing,
and we're about to celebrate a year of this podcast

(01:57):
and it's kind of crazy. So my shout out is
to all of you, so big thank you for that.
Oh in speaking to Craig um, because it makes me
think of y'all and how y'all also support what we
do with the spaw and four Things and Pimp and
joy Um. We may do a four Things pillow collap
with Craig because he also makes pillows. You all about
that in the podcast, but um, kind of crazy. So

(02:18):
if you'll have any ideas of what four things we
could put on a pillow with Craig, that would be
amazing because I think that that would be super cute.
We are adding dish towels to our line um, and
then we're still working on our Gratitude Journal. If y'all
are waiting to place orders for certain things because you're
waiting on the journal, don't. I mean, I think we're
gonna have it available by Christmas, but we had a
few few hiccups and Mary and I just want every

(02:40):
We always want everything to be perfect or up to
our standards, and some things weren't. When we got the
proof in the mail, we're like, oh, this just isn't
what we pictured. This isn't right, this isn't our quality.
So we're working on ironing that out and um. But
so if you want to customize four things Christmas, pull over,
get that order place because you want to get it
before Thanksgiving, you want to be wearing it. And again,

(03:01):
we only have a limited amount and we're starting to
run through that UM capacity, like production wise for those shirts,
I need even text Mary. We may even be through
it pretty quickly. But or sometimes Mary's awesome and she's like, well,
guess what we were out, But I found a way
to make more. So I'll keep you posted if we
find a way to make more. Radiome dot com is

(03:22):
where you can find uh anything, a Spua, four Things,
Pimp and Joy, all that stuff. So if you have
Christmas shopping to do now that Halloween's kind of getting
out of the way and your head and Thanksgiving and
trying to shop. Um, we we have a lot of
stuff that we love from like Pimp and Joy stuff.
Our star necklist did already mentioned some of this stuff.
I don't know, but there is cute things, so definitely

(03:42):
go check it out. And you can give gifts that
give back and have meaning. And we just again and
that's another way of me also saying thank you to
you because y'all we see the support that y'all give
that and it's pretty amazing. So thank you for the podcast.
Love the Espua, Love the Pimp Enjoy Love. Um yeah,
it does not go unnoticed. So with all that said,

(04:05):
let us just go ahead and get into this Craig interview,
which might be the longest podcast. Well it is. It's
the longest podcast I've ever done. Here you go first, Okay,
so this is fun. I think this your our first. Um,
do you call yourself even a reality star? No? I
think it's an absurd term, but I know, but I mean,

(04:25):
you are on a reality show and that's what made
you famous. So see, that's the famous thing is sometimes
like what made you known, but famous is so famous
is not what it used to be famous with Instagram
and all the different things. Like sometimes I go to
Instagram and there's people in there with like two million
followers and I've never heard of Fame used to not
be that way. You were either Michael Jackson or Prince
and people knew every who you were. Or you're you're

(04:47):
famous in your own little pockets, and I guess, yeah,
I just don't feel worthy of that term yet, but
I mean I guess yeah, speaking like I mean, I
guess we are pretty well known at this point after
six six years. It's it's a lot. I mean, even
if you didn't watch Jersey Shore, you kind of knew
who they were. Oh yeah, Jim, Tom Laundry. Yeah, Like
I mean, so now it's still a point where like,
I feel like we're recognizable in a lot of places

(05:09):
that we go, but um, yeah, unfortunately, everyone's really friendly
and we have a hilarious following. Um. The goal and
I'm getting was to bring a male following over to
Bravo UM, and it's kind of worked, and it's really funny.
Like our our guy followers. At first, we'll say the
pictures for their wife or you know that they make Yeah,
They're like, hey, hey, can I get to pick my wife?
And then you know, so it'll be like, it's not

(05:31):
for your wife, and they're like, I know, I totally
watch it when she's still at work and get in
trouble and enough to act like I haven't seen it.
And it's like, yeah, well so, just as people know
from my intro um, which I do before we sit down,
Craig is here and from Southern charm. But obviously listen
to interest, you know that. And before we get into
the four Things, which the first thing we're gonna get
into today is about someone down south and this amazing

(05:54):
business you've created. But before we do that, we're gonna
do a quick, little rapid fire. I put the Q
and A up on Instagram, and people were, you know,
sending in their questions and one that's on here multiple
times will just dive right into that, especially since it's
happening right now, is what's what's the deal with the
painted fingernail? Okay, So my nail is for the Polished

(06:16):
Man campaign and it's something that I saw when I
was in the Bahamas last year on the internet, and uh,
I've always been kind of drawn and attracted to doing
things a little aesthetically different. And um, the story was great,
and it represents one out of every five children that's
abused and never reports it. Um. And the story was

(06:38):
basically if you go to the website and read about
it's kind of a long story, but it's pretty great.
And the guy that started it a little girl's painting
his nails one day blue at an orphanage. UM, and
he found out the story about her and why she
had been moved from her past orphanage. And it's such
kind of a tragic story that, um, he always kept
one nail painted blue to you know, to remember that girl.

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And so, um, you know, it's got a good reason
behind it. And I often laugh and joke and saying
it's also an excuse to paint my fingernails, which is
fun for me, but literally right now his finger is
and what happens is the nails sparks conversations, and those conversations,
UM kind of spark awareness and that awareness leads to donations.

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And so I remember after the show aired this year, Um,
there was an article that came out and it was like,
why does Craig paint one of his nails or something.
It's like because in the last three days, twenty articles
were written about Craig's nail, which then leads to awareness
and conversations. So it kind of works out, makes sense.
Another one that I'm getting a lot of is is

(07:43):
he dating anyone? I'm not currently dating anyone. I am.
I'm single. Um, I've been traveling a lot, which has
been fun, and UM, I think there's a healthy, healthy
way to have relationships. UM, like short term relationships where
you know, you just kind of hang out and become
friends and get to know each other. And UM, it's

(08:05):
not nothing too serious, but UM, I'm open for whatever.
I just haven't met that person yet. Who's your favorite
cast member on Southern Time to film with? Uh? Cameron, Yeah,
Karen's awesome. I mean I love everyone, but Cammy. Cammy
and I have a lot of good a lot of
fun together. Will you ever practice law? I'm not against it. Uh,

(08:26):
you know, there's a lot of stuff going on in
my life right now that, um, you know, prevents me
from doing that. I just don't have the time, but
I would love to do pro bono work. Um if
I do have, you know, some spare time coming up?
And then what is your first round draft pick for beer?
Like if you had to pick all time favorite beer drink?

(08:46):
I'm just well, so the beer is just I'm a
bud light guy. Um, keeping it real. Yeah, drink right now.
I'm in this weird red Bull uh Teitos and sugar
free you red Bull phase when I'm going out. Um,
I do like a good Pourban drink. Um. But I'm
a big, big wine guy. So like on flights, I
drink wine, which was so nice. You brought a bottle

(09:08):
of wine here, which is so thoughtful. Yeah, and so
and down South Beanie which hasn't been released yet coming soon,
do you like? I feel like I'm going to fall
in love with like any girl I see wearing that
beanie this winter? Oh okay, right now, like I'm going

(09:29):
to go. I really like I think girls are really
cute in beanies I and I like the one that
we came out with. It is very cute. Um, and
then this is this one's interesting. It just came in.
If you could have dinner with anyone known, like you know,
we're saying famous is relative, But if you could have
dinner with anybody maybe that you don't really know, but
you would love to get to know, who would it be? Man,

(09:51):
that's a that's a great question, President another reality star.
I well, I guess you just gotta stick with your gut.
And I don't know. It's kind of funny, but what
popped into my head was ray Lewis and uh and
Chris Pratt and let's see and what's um, who's the

(10:15):
girl that? What's a famous actress name? Obviously there's a
bunch of Jennifer Yeah, no, no, no no, the girl from
the Hunger Games? Oh Catness? Yeah, so it would be Catness. Everdine,
what's her name? Jennifer? Jennifer Lawrence, Chris Pratt and Ray Lewis?
Did you read Hunger Games? I did not read it.
Watch the movies. I watched the movies. Okay, I was

(10:37):
obsessed with it. I made all my friends do a Um, well,
Bradley Cooper silver Scene. Did you like silver Line? Playbook? Yeah?
Good movie. Yeah, Bradley Cooper is amazing. Did you watch Shallow?
Because I can't watch sad things. It's not called shallow. No,
I know what you're talking about, the sola. No, I
won't watch watch sad things, not movies that don't have

(10:58):
a happy ending. And I knew exactly clear where that
was gonna go. And why is that? Because movies and
TV are like an escape for me. Um, I like
the happiness from it. And um, I don't know, I've
always been that way. Um I I don't watch things
to be sad like I like the happy ending. So
I like cheesy movies or whatever. But yeah, as long

(11:20):
as there's a happy ending that I like. What about
sad music, I'm okay with sad music as long as
it's got. I don't know, it doesn't bother me as much.
But like you know, like there's times in your life
that you definitely have to stop listening to, like Taylor
Swift altogether because like some of her albums are, they
hit close to home. Um, that's what gets you a much.

(11:44):
Taylor Swift balads no The Lady Gagan Bradley Cooper movie
without being yeah, Like, but I feel like the business
that I'm in, even though it's reality TV, um, I
feel like I would have just connected a little bit,
Like I I just it hit too close to home
things I've seen and scenes I've I don't know, watched, Like,

(12:05):
I just don't know why you'd watch a movie where
you know they're not gonna end up together. Well, some
people need um sad art in a way we'll call movies.
There's different forms of art, but that too, that brings
out that emotion that they're not otherwise able to do.
Like some people need sad movies so that then they
can cry, not because they're trying to avoid crying, but
otherwise they don't allow themselves to feel. So are you
a guy that can do you? Do you do you

(12:28):
express your emotion? Like do you have trouble? So I
think you just answered it and I've never thought about
it this way. I'm an extremely empathetic person, Like my
EQ is pretty high, and so I relate, like like
I put myself in the position of the characters in
the movie. So I'm feeling what they're feeling basically, and
that's like too much for me a lot of times.
So like I am, but I over empathize with the

(12:49):
characters in the movie. Um, and so I can't kind
of distance it's just yeah, so I would be the
opposite where I would have trouble distancing myself from those
emotions and kind of keeping them about. Yeah, that makes sense.
Another comment that came in on here was someone it
wasn't really a question, it was just a shout out
saying so cool that you were able to cut a
check for over twenty to the Bahamas. So this will

(13:12):
be our little transition into sewing down south. And that's
how you were able to do that. And I think
the official number right now is about twenty eight thousand
ish and probably you know who knows probably when you
saw some more beanies, well mean just kidding, because you
had specific products that we're going to that, right, was
it one particular pillow or yeah, we we you know.
I reached out to uh my two partners, charring Amanda,

(13:33):
and I was like, hey, like, you know, let's do
something for it because I have the storm actually went
directly over where I lived. Um. Last summer UM and
a lot of my friends and basically people I consider
family were affected, uh greatly, and so I was like,
you know what, let's just say that, you know, it's
I'm pretty sure it was our first pillow and it
was the one that was inspired by my time in

(13:55):
the Bahamas. Um that all the proceeds um for the
next week the Bahamas, and I think realistically I was
hoping to raise about two to three thousand dollars and
the first day, you know, our sales went over like
twelve thou dos um and it was it was awesome.
I think at the end we we sold several hundred

(14:15):
of these pillows, and the net proceeds um that we
were able to donate, we're about twenty thousand. And then
with the pillow parties, I was staunchly against Um selling
tickets for him because I thought it was kind of uh,
what's the word I want to say. I don't know.
You didn't want to be exclusive, No, I didn't want
to be doing like I think it's douche to like

(14:36):
sell tickets to come meet you. So I was like,
I'll never sell tickets. Um. It is a little bit,
but I do understand why people do it right right,
but for me, but I understand what you're saying that.
At the beginning, I was just like, no, So what
my partner Jerry came up with was because for crowd
control purposes, we do actually have to have some sort
of ticket situation. And so now any of the proceeds

(14:57):
from the first fifty tickets that so the only the
first fifty tickets that we do or you pay money
for that, all of those proceeds go to the Bahama
is also, so it's all for charity. So I'm fine
with that. Okay, I just thought of so my back
is like kind of weird, and I'm like trying to
sit up, and I kind of want a pillow. Can
I have the crab pillow? Maybe? Oh, we forgot to
get a clap from our live studio audience. This is

(15:22):
like a reunion special where you have people in the audience.
Really is Oh my gosh, if our unions were in
front of a live audience, are they not? I thought
there were people clapping piped in later, watch what happens
is in front of Maybe that's what I'm thinking of,
is Andy, and watch what happens? Okay, reunions are Look,
this is not a commercial. But I just put the

(15:46):
crab pillow back behind my back and I already feel
more comfortable. And my friend Laura who's Ray Ray Ray
as a producer on The Bobby Bones Show and his
girlfriend who we affectionately called Bay Ray and Bay, she
just texts, did me O, MG, you're with Craig, So
say hi to her. She'll listen. He's bad. Oh, she

(16:10):
just said, ask him if you'd be my boyfriend? Just kidding,
just kidding, kidding. She's taken. She's actually waiting for Ray
to propose, but he just keeps putting it off his stuff.
Like one of the main storylines on the Bobby Bones
Show right now is when are you proposing to your girlfriend?
They've been together six years. If you were with someone
six years, do you think that you would be ready? Yeah,

(16:33):
I think I was around like three. I think three
to three and a half years is a good time
in like this situation I was in. UM, I would
have probably proposed sooner, but it was out of respect
for the age of how all we were, Like I
thought we should be a little older. But yeah, I
think time wise, like you either know or you don't.

(16:56):
I'm thirty one now, then um I would is well,
I was like twenty eight, but she was like twenty four,
and I think she wanted to. She had asked me
before I was like, I want to have my own
career and become successful on my own before I'm engaged,
like early on, and I had remember that because she
didn't want to be dependent on anyone, so it was

(17:16):
kind of out of respect for that. But for me, like,
that's kind of what I met with the short relationships
is I won't stay with someone longer than thirty days
if I like, if I know that we're not gonna
end up together or not. So there's two outcomes. Well yeah, you,
I mean there's two outcomes. If you're in a relationship,
you're the breakup or you get married. And people hate
when I say that, but it's literally like that's literally

(17:37):
the only two things that can happen. Or if someone
dies but we don't bring it, it's all right. Breakup suck,
And um, I just think it's wrong to lead someone
on for selfish reasons just because you can't be alone
or you're not comfortable, you know, I think you're settling,
and oh what if someone better doesn't come along, Like,

(17:58):
I guess I'm okay with staying with this. And that's
a lot of problems and relationships stem from from people's settling.
So you know, if I like someone a lot, I
have no problem being in a relationship or staying with them.
But um, you know, I think if you're together for
over a year, you probably you're either scared to break
up because you don't want to deal with it or
you want to get married. So no offense, Ray, But

(18:21):
I might be on bayside. I love it, yes, Ray,
you hear that. Um. So with the you know, Southern charm,
with sewing down South, with you know, other things you
probably have going on in your life, it's probably hard
to find time to maybe even are you feel like
you're constantly on the go, especially with the pillow parties,

(18:42):
which we should mention that's why you're even here in
Nashville and you came over today was because you're here
because you're having a pillow party tomorrow at Kittnas. So
we prerecorded this, so you're hearing this before this party.
But you're doing these pillow parties all over the country. Yeah,
and then how when this are you're doing different rounds
you think this and that you're to keep doing or
you have kind of a few at a time. No,

(19:03):
we are. This is our second round. I think we
had nine stops on this round. We had seven tour. Yeah,
it is, and I think we we kind of took
a book signing model and revamped it into what we're
doing now and it seems to really be working and
as long as people want to come. You know, I
love doing it. I love traveling for a reason instead

(19:23):
of like, you know, just you know, for the heck
of it. Like I get to travel these places and
meet all these people and hear their stories, and it's
really kind of turned into a thing, and I'm excited
to continue doing it. So um, um, yeah, I don't know.
How do people find out about a pillow party? So
we announced, Um, we put it up on my Instagram
and are sewing down South Instagram. Um. Next week we

(19:46):
are in Aberdeen, North Carolina, and we're shout out. I
used to live, y'all, Arena be so close to Southern Pines.
So my husband was an Air Force and station at
Fort Bragg and Aberdeen is like ten minutes from Southern Pines. Like, nobody,
how did you choose Aberdeen because nobody in my life
ever knew where Aberdeen was or Southern Pines. It's right
by Pinehurst, which a lot of people know for golf.

(20:07):
But but oh my gosh, I have to send y'all
too if you're all looking for a place to go
eat the nicest restaurant in Southern Pines, Like, that's kind
of we love to because after the pillow party, we
go out for like a really nice dinner and you're
going to Chef Hons. You seem really happy about this,
So I'm happy about no, because I'm like, what, you're
going to Aberdeen, which I love shout out to anybody listening.

(20:29):
But it's just it's a smaller town in North Carolina.
That's what this formula that we've come up with, which
again my two partners like the team is, they've brought
us to where we're at today, but they had topped
in this model where instead of going to the big
cities where a lot of like professional sports teams would
go or like big concerts or performers, um, they we

(20:52):
go to these kind of like forgotten towns that are
like twenty thirty miles outside of the big city. So
the people from the big cities still come, but the
towns it turns into basically a iron block party because
people from Raleigh will drive down and it's and so
we've done these parties where they're like, you know, this
is and again in a not like not I don't know,
in a just a matter of fact a way, they're like,

(21:15):
we haven't had like a party this big and a
few years. And so we always have, you know, a
musical element, and we have like an alcohol vendor and
food and uh, it just it turns into a great time. Yeah,
I love that, and so everyone. You know, sometimes you
have to wait in line for a little bit of time,
but each person I spend a couple of minutes with
and we do like individual pictures and group pictures and

(21:37):
I signed the merchandise you get and everyone seems to
have a great time. And now people have started to
become friends in line, which has become a thing, and um,
it's kind of just brings the community together. So we
are doing like the East Coast now and then we'll
probably do in Florida and Texas and like Midwest, so

(21:58):
sort of yeah, well and then and move our away
to west of the Mississippi probably early next year. So
all you have to do if you want to find
stuff out is sewing down South on Instagram, Craig's Instagram
or you know, like right now, I just typed in
Sewing down South dot com. People may not know that's
where you go where you can find an awesome beanie
if you want to date Craig in the future eventually,

(22:20):
or um, the pillows like the Flamingo lumbar pillow. Oh, Mary,
I might have to get you the Flamingo lumbar pillow.
I know, I got you the crab one. But this
is this is new. This wasn't up here when I shopped.
Is this new? Yeah, that's that's our new bestsellers. So
this would not your house. We have them down So
it's funny because Amy's neighbors basically down the road are

(22:42):
my partner and her husband. A small world. We just met,
but we're gonna be and so we have those pillows
at the house, I think, don't we Yeah, so yeah,
we'll bring Amy, Yeah, we'll bring one over. It'll go
like I okay, I'm obsessed, and then um, you know,
you've got hats and totes and all the things. So
people can check that out if they want to see
what you're up to. You're doing, and I just have
to say, I'm proud of you. This is all really legit.

(23:05):
And yes I ordered one. It came in. I gave
it as a gift, like it's really great quality and
to think like Mary, Mary loves um. So sorry, go ahead,
but I was gonna say, so, do you watch the show?
I haven't. Okay, I haven't lately. I did a long
time ago, but to prepare for you coming, I watched
season Reunion part one from this season, but I had

(23:27):
not watched this season or last season, so I know
when did you start. I know that I saw you
sewing at some point, but I think you were like
with Naomi, so it was a while ago. Yes, so
I kind of put viewers like, it's kind of a
roller coaster rye with me. Unfortunately we're on you know,
a great place right now. But there are definitely times
that I was probably frustrating to uh our fans out there.

(23:49):
But I started sewing when I was still in Naomi
and I wanted to make clothes and I figured out
that that was very difficult. Um when I when Naomi
and I broke gob Um, I had to leave my
garden and my like I had a workshop in the
garage I had built behind. And apparently it's been explained
to me that I have this like desire to create

(24:11):
or this like I get fulfillment out of creation. Is
this like coming from a therapist? Yeah, it was like
the life coach at that time or yes. And then
I talk a lot to people. Yeah, so like I've
heard it from someone and it made sense. Do you
know your angiogram number? I just curious? No, wait, is
that the I'm a I'm an entertainer. I don't know.

(24:32):
I know, I still don't know your number. No, I'm
trying to think of what it's wrong for people to
guess people's numbers because we don't know. Am I talking
about a wrong test? Is um numbers one through nine? Oh? No,
I don't know what? Okay? So um, No, I didn't
mean I'm an entertainer like that. There's that other thing
like Chef just did his and he was a debater

(24:53):
and Cameron was like a sympathize or something, and then
I was, um, I was entertainer or something. Okay, um?
And then so you had a also I didn't know
you had a garden. You just casually through that. You
didn't know that, so you had to leave your garden,
your tools behind. And then and then it was brought
to your attension that you have a desire to no no, no,

(25:15):
that was I learned that later to explain what happened.
So I was staying at my friend's house actually who
I ended up spending time within the Bahamas um. They
have a house in the same community as me and
Charleston I had because they were in the Bahamas. I
was waiting for the closing of my house. I had
my sewing machine, but I didn't know how to make anything.
But in eighth grade we had home Max, so we
spent half the year learning to cook, in half the

(25:37):
year learning to sell. And Miss Hurley is my teacher.
So I have heard a thing for all this UM
and I was like, oh, I remember how to make
a pillow. And so I made a pillow and I
like when and you make it wrong side out and
when you turn it right side out, I was like,
oh my gosh. I got this great feeling. And so
I started a YouTube stuff and I made three pillows
and I was watching UM to go back to my

(25:59):
happy movie thing. I was watching The Descendants on TV.
Oh my gosh, my kids love the movie with the
kids that dance like on No, I just had a
Descendants and Disney movie. I was going through a breakup,
so I obviously had the Disney channel. I like, I'm
not gonna watch sad stuff. I'm not previous, and so

(26:19):
I cat like, I on purpose kept and the pictures
saw on my Instagram, but I kept the three pillows
in the picture and the sewing machine and then just
made a joke about watching the Descendants. But I was
actually fishing to see if people would want the pillows,
and people like, oh my gosh, did you make them?
Like we would totally buy your pillows, like by pillows
bring And that's kind of where it started. And then

(26:39):
I went from there. Got also when you when we
do these things, like I go in like a million
different directions sometimes, Okay, cool, I have like I have.
I'll we'll talk about this a little bit later, um,
because we're going to get into some outerall talk. Because
I was diagnosed with a d h D and I've
taken multiple things for it. And then I know, because

(27:01):
I told you I prepped for this interview by watching
um Reunion part one from this season, and that's where
you also talk about a little bit of odderall stuff,
So we'll get into that later. Um, but like when
you mentioned like gardening and your tools and different things
and sewing, like you're very like are you someone that

(27:21):
like cooks too? You seem like you have a lot
And I think on the review, where did I hear Mary?
We were kind of just like doing a little bit
of research because honestly, I had to just I just know,
I wish I don't know if it was on the
reunion today or if we were looking stuff up. No,
I'm being fully transparent because I felt bad that I

(27:41):
once had watched more but a year and a half ago,
I became a mom and like all my reality TV
watching went out the window. I would prefer that you well,
I can't say that. I was going to say not
watch it right. Yeah, we get to know each other
like this. It's fine. I don't know that much. But
where did it come up on the show that you're
like you told me Mary a male Martha Stewart, Well,

(28:02):
that's the goal. The goal is kind of yeah, but
I can't remember where I heard it was like, we're
working on a cookbook right now too, Like I yeah,
like so it kind of follows in her footsteps. Okay,
So because I love to cook, so I started to
cook in at the same time that I learned to
so but I never said until later and I learned

(28:23):
to cook in that same class innth grade. And then
my mom, there's so much more to you than I thought, Craig. See,
there's a few layers. I mean, I knew that there was.
We had different things to discuss, but I didn't know
we were going to get peel it back. I had
no idea you cooked. Yeah, and that well, I mean,
I guess I heard the mail Martha Stewart thing somewhere,
but it was it's kind of it was silly, but

(28:44):
it kind of I guess I've always been like crafty
and like it's the creative is kind of different than
that need to create, Like I actually like making stuff.
But the cooking thing really came out after a second season.
I Um, So, my mom was a teacher, so I
was allowed to cook. The rule was I was allowed
to cook anything I wanted as long as I cooked.

(29:05):
So I had like this, I was very fortunate to
have this freedom to like go to the grocery store
and make whatever I wanted. But then after a second season,
I moved home for a little bit um and my
mom had theroin cancer and she was doing this radioactive
iodine treatment where you have to eliminate you purge yourself
from iodine, so like and pretty much almost everything you
find in the grocery store has iodine in it, and

(29:27):
she couldn't have it. So I created the Unfortunately was
home and I was able to cook for her for
like the six weeks of that process, and through that
I developed restpies and because it's really not a fun diet,
and so that really forced me to learn like creative
techniques and like the way food to go together. I
don't know, it was just something I could. It was

(29:49):
probably with my A d D two. I could obsess
over that and dive into that and not have to
think about anything else. So for those six weeks, I
really learned a lot of stuff. And you know, coupled
with years before that of cooking, decided to because again
my team is very supportive, to start doing a cookbook.
So okay, so let's get this straight. You had a garden.

(30:10):
I don't know that you have tools, you can make
stuff you so you cook for your mom who has cancer,
Like what, like this is awesome. I didn't know a
little confused when we broke up because I was like,
I feel like you're a cat. Naomi knew all of
this about you, so she knew that you were even
doing So, I mean we have that in common, like

(30:32):
having a parent that has cancer. Like it's, um, I
lost my mom in two thousand and fourteen, and you've
actually you're We have a mutual friend David Nelson m
who is amazing and his wife Maddie, she's the best.
We met them in Haiti, but David played football and
Maddie's just the sweetest. They actually met in Haiti. They

(30:52):
have this crazy like story romance. W You're just like,
what is it's even real? Um? And then you how
do you know David? So I also think they're like
the best looking couple. They are and their babies are
like they just had their second baby and they're like
the most beautiful baby. So actually, Naomi and Maddie you
went to school, so that's how knew. And then they

(31:14):
I in the off season of one of our seasons.
I was like, we gotta be doing more stuff. I
was like, we have all of this time, like we
should get into something, and she's like, actually, my friends
do this thing in Haiti. So I got on a
conference call with David. I'm Maddie at the time, and
it was me and Nami. But then David was like,
actually it started with the marathon because he's like, how

(31:35):
do you feel about running? And I was like, I
hate running. Yeah, And they wore ps if you're I
mean our listeners, they're very invested in Pimp and Joy,
So y'all wore Pimp and shirts for your marathon. So
well that's so David asked us to run the marathon
and he's like, oh, I'm an NFL player, Like I can't.
I'm like, oh, this is bull crap. But we uh

(31:56):
so we ran the marathon and then I wanted to
go down and see, you know, what we were supporting,
and so then I went down to Haiti and then
you're actually I met every member of your family my
first time in Prince I didn't know. Yeah, you put
it all together today, Like I mentioned something to my husband, like,
you know, David, I think maybe he's friends with David.

(32:18):
He's on Bravo. My husband doesn't know Bravo, so he
has no idea, and he's like, wait, I think that
I went to dinner with him when I was in Haiti,
and yeah, so and then you went to the orphanage,
so you definitely met my kids and then you yeah,
you were at the same dinner with my husband. So yeah,
it's a small no, it's schull circle, which is great,
but again, who knows what we actually were talking about

(32:40):
at first, but we were I know, I see I've
learned because while I've been doing the Bobby Bones Show
for thirteen years, so I my A d D used
to kind of control me, but I can go off.
But I know exactly what started this. I've gotten better
about bringing it back around, which is I brought up
that we have the whole parent with cancer thing in common.
And you know my mom she lost her battle in

(33:00):
two thousand fourteen. Um, your mother and just wanting to
I understand that desire of like wanting to do whatever
you can to help them, and like in your case,
it was like trying to find her food and cook
it for her that she could actually eat. And then
my dad is on his own little cancer journey right now,
um officially cancer free at the moment, but still a
lot of health is ues. We just moved him here

(33:22):
to Nashville to live like in an assisted living place
so that he's closer. But you know, I think it's
yeah now that i'm I'm like, it's very admiral, especially
for a guy that has so much going on to
stop what they're doing and like care for a parent
so and then learn that you have a skill that
you actually really enjoy and then to be able to
like put that into a cookbook later. So what what

(33:45):
would we see in the cookbook? Like is there any
It's what? So I wrote a cookbook in eighth grade
and so with a polaroid camera and that's so are
you going to put some of that? So that's kind
of was the inspiration for this because Jerry, Yeah, I
was a big home guys. So Jerry was like, wait,

(34:10):
like what and he was that My parents were like,
oh yeah, like he wrote a cookbook in eighth grade
all this stuff. So my mom um is fishing that
out and she's like, oh I still haven't boah. So
I that's kind of we're on like the ground floor
of being like what direction we're gonna go in becauys.
I do have somewhere saved at home my old recipes

(34:32):
for I think it's called r Ai or something, the
treatment and in the Eine treatment that it is a
really tough course, but you and the patient obviously doesn't
want to cheat at all because you want the treatment
to work. So I could do maybe a book about that,
or a chapter or just like I'm not really sure
what I'm gonna do, but it's it might we might

(34:52):
pace it off. What's in this original cookbook? Um, remember
my dad's favorite cook or like your eighth grade cookbook
would be a good no, but it's the inspiration, Like
we're just gonna published when I came up with an
eighth grade it's good. I'm like your taste tested that
maybe at the well they tasted go, but the picture
quality of me plating this food probably wasn't great. So

(35:14):
but I mean, I actually think that's kind of awesome.
It might be like a fun thing at the back
of the book or like you have to include those
polaroids and it's probably only like ten things or something
my dad's favorites. Like, so everything I made it was
like I love science and stuff and cooking to me
with science and so um, like I wouldn't make things
from scratch, and he loves to tell everyone. I'm always

(35:36):
like comparis kind of but he's like, Craig made a
keen Line pie from scratch once. So he's like my dad,
it's not that big of a deal. But he's like, no,
it was awesome and stuff. So I don't know, maybe
I'll do it. Yeah, it's actually really good. Yeah, well
I mean yeah, I mean it sounds good. Do you what.
So my dad was an amazing cook a restaurantore growing up,

(35:58):
like we I was always round food like he had
restaurants and would cook all the time and um, like
he would have different like on the menu, which I
think it's fun to pull out and this is like
kind of reminiscent, like you get to pull out things
like your mom has your old cookbook and then this
is something if you create something one day, your kids
will be like my dad had this cookbook and he
named things like that We're special and yeah I was, Um,

(36:20):
I was like it was a nice restaurant, but I
don't know, he named things like my mom had a cheesecakes.
It was like Judy's cheesecake. But and then my sister
was Christie's garlic fish or something, and then mine was
like Amy's beef tips or something. Here like I was
not that cute or a great sounding and then that
like for ten years of my life, I was kind
of vegan, kind of because sometimes I have goat cheese.

(36:41):
Oh my gosh. Right, Well, I was trying it. It
was a whole thing. Like I was trying to get
pregnant because my husband I couldn't hince our adoption from Haiti,
and I thought I had read if you go gluten free, vegan,
acupuncture UM and COLONYX, that you'll get pregnant. It didn't work.
I feel like people might have made some money. Will
people made money off of me like no other But

(37:03):
it's understandable. That's like using dryer sheets because like one
woman giving my colonics told me that the dryer sheets
were causing infertility and women, So you can't That's that
would be one of the one like situations where you
can't give someone crap for it to be like I
feel like obviously you would try anything, so it's like whatever,
like whatever, no, if there's a chance to like to

(37:27):
help it. Why would you not? Right? Um, but point
being like in your cookbook, like you could have certain
things like I think it would be cute to have
stuff dedicated to your parents or little Craig or Craig
eighth grade Craig or it's just so that's like it's
like special because that's what's funny, Little Craig. I was
always little Craig because my dad's name, he goes by Craig.
So I'm not a junior. But um, I was always

(37:49):
little Craig. But now we have a little Craig in
our lives because Sheep names his dog Craig, and so
now that's a little Craig. So now when I hear
a little Craig, I'm like, are we talking about me
or the dog? And now you know it's all convoluted.
There was So after we watched the Reunions Part one
this morning, when I was blow drying my hair, I
was going to try to watch like an episode from
the season, just so that I felt a little bit
dialed in and my Hulu was freezing up, but I

(38:12):
was trying to watch that episode of Sheep with the dog,
and I think the title of it was like new
Craig who diss or something? And I could it wouldn't
play like kept freezing, So yeah, the dog is cute.
This season I would be okay, like I had I
had a decent season this year. Some seasons I would prefer.
This was actually the first year I watched I was
able to watch. Well, let's get into we're going to

(38:33):
grab up this first part and then we'll get into
southern charm, but with you know, kind of just I
love that. I thought we were just going to talk
mostly about I was like, what else does Craig have
going on? Well, he has going down south, but you
have like a lot going on, well, and we have
if you guys come to Charleston. We just did um.
I joined the restaurant groups, so we just opened a restaurant.
So it's a big year. It's a fun year, Like

(38:54):
what what is your involvement in open? I mean restaurant.
Opening a restaurant is no small feet. But I was
fooding to have for a long time. UM I would
go home and bartend in the summers and again with
my love of food, it just kind of all works.
So UM. I used to be like the bar manager
at a restaurant home during the summers in the eastern
Trore Delawares where everyone from Maryland and d C and

(39:16):
stuff comes in the summer. So we would make a
ton of money by just going home and bartending like
then the summers, you know, between college and UM then
in law school. So like, what's the name of the restaurant.
It's gone mess Su. So it's m E s U
and it's Mexican and sushi can buy. So I know
it's pretty. And so we have this awesome chef that

(39:36):
used to UM. He's known around town and he joined
the group and we so half the restaurant is Mexican
and half is sushi, and so there's something kind of
for everyone. UM and it's got a good energy and
you kind of feel like you're in China when you're
in there. We have Orange Shubway Tile. I've never been
to Charleston. Yeah, so okay now, but I mean I've
always wanted to go. I want to go to Savannah

(39:58):
and I want to go to Charleston. I would go
to Charleston first, okay time of year, uh, spring or fall, fall,
This is the prettiest time. Okay, I'm gonna go. I'm
going November. November one is excellent and I'll actually is
your restaurant open then? Yeah? Yeah, we have been two
weeks ago. I'm going because I was supposed to go

(40:20):
to Napa for work but with my husband and it
was like a work like a they call it live
in the Vineyard and I just had to cancel it
because it's something else and I'm like, I have to
find something else fun to go. But look at my
dots that weekend that you're talking about, I'm actually there. Okay,
well then okay, so if it works out that I'm
going to go to Max Sushi. What's it called? It

(40:43):
just su so yeah, so and uh it all kind
of comes together and uh, you know, I'm just I'm
way more I'm way better with structure and staying busy
than if I'm just like left to do nothing but
go out, you know. So, I mean, so much happening
so well now that we've had to dip into your
life and all the things like well, well let's dip

(41:06):
into like what started your notoriety. Not that you wouldn't
have been known, but I mean you got on TV.
I kind of want to know how that started, like
how reality happened. So we'll get into that next. Okay,

(41:29):
so a couple of things to get into this next thing.
This is kind of going to be our Southern Charm
reality or just TV segment because I feel like there's
some things we need to dive into with Craig, which is, well,
we're gonna talk about Hallmark movies because I didn't know
we both had the same aspirations. Can we just make
a pact right now, because you would you're more likely

(41:51):
to get on the Hallmark movie before me. I don't
know about that. No, it's true. So even though Kristin Chinowith,
which by the time this episode airs, the Christian channelwith
episode will have aired, and we talked about her Hallmark
movie and on the podcast, she told me she would
get me in as a barista one day. We'll see
what happens. Maybe I could be a barista on the
Craig Craig Craig movie. But you also have the same dream,

(42:15):
oh a thousand percent. Also side note, I have always
been a fan of hers. She did this like show
in Texas or this Texas like oil Tycoon show that
got canceled after like it was like like Christian Wives
of Like Texas. It was a phenomenal, but it got
canceled after it just like it was on like ABC
or something. But yeah, she's on all these like Hallmark movies,

(42:37):
and it is my dream to be on a Hallmark
Christmas movie. I feel like that is what you would
be the love interest probably like you would obviously be.
I'm casting you as the main character who lives in
a small town and you run like a Christmas tree farm,
and then the girl from the big city she comes
to the farm to like, I don't know, take over

(43:00):
the city because her big wig like they're going to
acquire the property the ski resort exactly, And you're like, no,
this is how I make Christmas trees and everybody, are
you do you hate Christmas? And she's like, yes, I
hate Christmas. Who cares? And then you convince her probably
have a daughter. I probably have a daughter. Yeah. I mean,
I'm blessing because this is phenomenal. And then you can

(43:22):
see it as I will be. Y'all will meet at
a coffee shop from time to time, and fine, I'll
take the mediocre. You can be like the best friend
of mine, where like I'm not going to settle. Oh
she won't like me, Like she's going to go back.
And then you'll be like, just take a chance because
my wife, I'm probably a widow, but I'm your sister.

(43:43):
Oh sister, Yeah that's it. And you're like you just
need to put your heart out there again, and it's
like this isn't the right person. And then we have
the dramatic like anywhere, like like she goes to let
her heart out to me, but I'm not there. So
then she goes to get on the plane to go home,
and I was like, I shouldn't have been so dumb perfect,
and I'm like, because I see the laptop, I see
that she's actually there to acquire the stuff. Okay, yeah,

(44:06):
and then I love thank you for making me a
sister and not a bar. A sister is way better
because like someone's going to tell me to put my
heart back on the line. I will set you straight.
So Hallmark, if you're listening, yes, Craig and I we
have already have the movie next hit. Who's going to
be the girl? They're also like Lauren stuff, Oh that
would be cool, but she is she Christmas e. Well

(44:28):
that's how you're going to meet her and date her
and marry her. But then like my, well, my, we'll
see it's either a widow situation or like an ex
girlfriend or like Cameron is probably the girl, Let's be honest,
because she's like she's in all the Hallmark movies and
I'm find me. I feel like I'm going to meet
my next see. I shouldn't say stuff like this, but
I have a good like Cameron's theory, like from my

(44:49):
show's theory is my like for like from Southern Cameron
from Southern Charms. Theory is that I will meet my
long term like my next long term a ship will
be my co star on my first Hallmark Christmas movie.
Shut up, that's well, that's amazing. Okay, so we needed
camera Candice. Camera's not single, so who could we cast

(45:12):
It would be maybe we have to do a follow
up for we'll follow up. Well, I mean, I'm gonna
have you back on obviously when you release your cookbook.
That would be sweet, We're coming back. I'm a huge
Nashville fan, and I already was, but now, like after
I was on the street in front of my hotel
and there was a party trailer truck that was there annoying,
I know, but they had a hot tub on the

(45:33):
back and I wasn't fully annoying. I know it's annoying,
but like the energy here, it wasn't like it's fine.
I got to kick out of it. Like it wasn't
didn't bother me. Right, But when you live here and
you're stuck driving behind the tub pedal and people are
pedaling and drinking and you're like trying to get to work,
I can't believe. I love that. The alcohol laws here

(45:53):
must be fantastic. I have no idea. All I know
is when I'm stuck behind them and I'm trying to
get to music roll, I'm annoyed because Bobby has a
policy if you're late, you get sit home. Oh for sure,
Like two seconds later that we obviously our audience is
laughing because I have a audience. Look, let's get another

(46:16):
from the audience. Um. But no, I was woken up
because I'm staying at the Thompson and shout out, oh
have you been up to the Jackson? So I so
last night I had dinner by myself at the bar,
which was amazing. Downstairs by yourself. Yeah, well, because that's
pretty cool about that. But it is lasted a little bit,

(46:39):
and that it was. And then the two bar genders
were awesome. They actually we have the one used to
be managed by like Mark, Brian and Charleston. We were
all connected like it was cool, like great guys. And
then it was funny because I don't think they knew
who I was. And then all of a sudden people
started to come up and they're like, man, you handle
that pretty well. It was fine, but I was like,

(47:00):
I want to see the up top and I walked
out and I don't do really well by myself. I
get really overwhelmed, and I walked out and like it
was like I turned right around and went to my
room and watching that. You can't go up to the
Jackson by yourself. You have to have someone with you.
But yeah, I didn't. For the most part, I will
say Nashville wise, people will leave you alone because like
I'll go out to eat. I mean I run into

(47:21):
Jerks Bentley at the grocery store or Keith Urban at
Whole Foods, or like I get lashes done, which like
a lot of which shout out. I'll shout out Amy
at lash Nashville. She's amazing. But like all the like
you it's crazy, like you just see all the people
like you're like, oh, there's Karen for your child. No
big deal, there's wearing the labor and no big deal.

(47:41):
There's no and it's just normal Chryl Crow. Like Mary
was with me getting her lashes done the other day
and Cheryl Crow walked out and was like Amy like
and it was just like, what is this? Nashville is
just amazing like that, and they're very cool and like chill.
But tourists are also here, which sometimes and that's what
it is, and they towards last night and that's how
Charleston is. Two people asking. It's like people are just

(48:04):
used to us here like no one cares, but you
become a bucket list town, just like you guys are
in the bacherette town. Now it's starting to be there
and like it's it's apparently bigger than Vegas. Yeah. No,
you guys are rated like the number one um and
actually we were rating number two right now for boutette
parties Charleston, so you guys are. But anyway, it's fine,

(48:27):
it's it's it's tough too. That's a whole another conversation
about how like you go from I used to wear
like Neon v nex and blazers, like trying to stand
out like I was the biggest extrovert ever. Wait when
you first started Southern Charm before like before Souther Term. Okay,
because we got to get into how you I don't
know how you even got selected for that show, so
I want to know. Yeah, yeah, that's gonna be a

(48:49):
funny if I get a call from the network. Yeah
it's probably Yeah, that's probably what happened. Um and how
it turns you into a kind of like att Yeah,
here's the thing though, I figured that out because I
am I've always been categorized as an extrovert and I
have been on I'm on the Bobby Bones Show for
thirteen years and a half. And in the beginning, like

(49:12):
we started in one market, it's like fine, like you're
in one We were in Austin, Texas, one city. Like
it's like like you go around Austin and Facebook was
just now getting big. There was no Instagram, there was
no Twitter. There was you're on the radio, So it
wasn't very visible, like nobody cared what you looked like.
We went to work in our pajamas. It was fine.
It was three am, like you put your hair up,

(49:34):
you went to work, morning drive. It's fine. And then
as our show started to grow, and then Bobby started
to like escalate things and him even being on TV
like you kind of just there's this shift that happens.
And then so then we moved to Nashville, and now
we're like, I don't know, over a hundred markets, and
then we have different side shows that are like over

(49:57):
a hundred and fifty markets, and then it's like a
whole new it's a whole different the whole different thing.
But it started off very very very small, like not nobody,
nobody cares. But it's like this hybrid between interfert and
extrovert where if you're someone I want to talk to,
or you have something that I wanted talking about, I'll
talk your ear off, like just like we're doing like now.

(50:20):
But I just don't have the patience for the the
shallow conversations or that like the sub like the whatever
the opposite of substance. Well, but you also, here's what
I was going that is, sometimes you need the recovery.
So when I first started, we weren't like as like,
but I was still having to talk a lot, and
I never had aspirations for radio. I met Bobby at
a restaurant. We became friends. He brought me on as

(50:42):
a friend. Like it was I had. I worked in sales.
I was not. Radio was not on my radar. Being
talking about anything was not on my radar. But I wasn't.
I was. I was an extrovert. What people define is
that because I shared so much. But when you have
to be on camera and you have to be on
or me in a morning show, especially in different capacities,

(51:03):
and now we have so much more going on, I
put so much out there, my extrovert needs time to recover.
And that's when I so. On my weekend sometimes I
can like hibernate. And now that I have kids and well,
my husband used to be deployed a lot, like he
would leave. There was some weekends where I have kids
where I would go Saturday through Friday through Sunday and

(51:23):
I wouldn't talk to a single human. But it was
how I refueled. Some of my friends saw that is like,
well where did a me go? But or where is
she or what's happening? I'm like, I'm just refueling, like
I'm at a low and I need to like just
hide and not talk to anybody so that I can
go talk for five hours on Monday morning. Yeah, I
need to learn how to be okay with telling people

(51:45):
that I should read up more about it, because that's
the thing. And like my therapist told me, because I said,
people keep saying I'm an extrovert, but I was like,
all I want is time alone right now, and like
like chill, but it's like you feel like you owe
so many people so much, and like you know, it's
it's it's interesting. So that's cool that we'll talk later
about it or maybe but I'll maybe I'll shoot you

(52:07):
an email with questions because that's good because I feel
guilty when I recharged. But really, like that's why I
go home to my parents so much, because when I'm
in Delaware, on only the house, so I can just
go to my parents house and I don't leave, and
that's my like recharge. But that's because I don't have
anyone to feel guilty that I'm not hanging out with. Basically,
so you yes, how was explained to me, and a
therapist once told me, because since everybody told me I

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was an extrovert, that's what I thought I was, And
she's like, well you are, but you're both. Sometimes you
need your introvert time to recharge otherwise you can't be
who you need to be on the air. And yeah,
it makes sense because stuff we're doing now, like, yeah,
there's I get it, and I'll tell you, um, you know,
another day. But I've figured out ways to cope. And

(52:52):
it's like a nice dinner with just like two people
you know, after or whatever and like just chilling and
just relaxing. Let's take it back to before all of
this started feeling how how did you end up on Bravo?
Like how how so? Um? Is there like a casting call?

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It wasn't a casting call. Um, you know we were
friends in Charleston. Charleston's a very like close knit, kind
of incestuous town. Um. I don't know if that's basically
the easiest way to describe it. Everyone kind of knows
everyone and everyone's dated everyone, and um, basically Whitney's mom

(53:35):
had moved after her. Later can we talk about Whitney's mom?
She's okay. Mary ordered dam a set for her with
dogs on it and never got it. How much was
that okay? Because because Mary, how much was it because
it was a gift for Mary's mom. No, I, whatever happened,

(54:01):
we need to get it. It doesn't matter. It's like
it's like a pagamas that has dogs, like your customized dog.
So Mary submitted the picture of her mom's dogs and
then it's supposed to get printed on the cute set
of pajamas and sent to you, and then she never
got it. But anyway, that sidebar about Whitney's mom keep going.
So she um, we like to support products that people

(54:23):
sell o brao if you can't tell. So yeah, so
she um she after her late husband, I bought this
house in Charleston, moved down. Whitney lives in l A.
But he was spending a lot of time in Charleston. Um, sorry,
my threat, it's fine. Um. So he started to embed

(54:45):
himself into Charleston and he was like this place is absurd,
Like this needs to be a television show. And he
started to talk to people about it, and UM, you
know we kind of no one really thought it was
going to be a real thing. But he he started
to put people on tape and at this point, um,
he put Cameron and or he put Sheep and Thomas

(55:09):
on tape after like a New Year, so they had together. Um,
and I like Nashville is probably similar, but Charleston, everyone
talks to each other, like, you know, you can't be
a stranger. Like if you see someone lost, you're gonna
talk to him. Um, you know, if you're at a party,
you're gonna make friends with him. So everyone you know
his friends and um, Whitney starts to pitch this out

(55:30):
west at like a film festival or something. Um, it's
always funny. I get in trouble every time I tell
this story because I don't know which is like, like
I thought I had it right this time, and they're
like Craig stopped telling the story. Um, but they put
together this like trailer basically for a TV show is
called a sizzle real and um, Bravo really liked it. Um,

(55:56):
but they were like, we kind of want some more. Um.
And so we all continued hanging out for a while.
No one really knew what was happening. But um, when
he started to take a chance on his like wild
boyfriends that learned his his party, his his his friends

(56:17):
that were guys that were wild in the city. Yeah,
he started to take a chance onstead of this like
highbrow like society. He was like, oh, well, like my
friend Craig is kind of like nuts, like he's like
in law school and stuff, but he's always out and like,
I don't know. They just basically started to venture into
new people. And as much as you google I was

(56:39):
in my second year law school, and as much as
you google should I do a reality TV show or not,
you cannot find that answer on Google. And I tried
a lot. Um and so the only person yeah, like
I wonder if there's any articles and so I uh,

(57:02):
I messaged, Um, I don't know. I don't think I'm
saying so I I basically had lunch with Cameron and
Ship one day and we were like, you know what,
let's do it. And for me what happened was I
had straight away from it for about five months. I
mean it's a long process. Um, you know, my path,

(57:24):
my life was in a path that I thought was
the right direction. I talked to my dean. It's like
eight year old lady and she's like, Craig, you know what,
you live in a new time, Like unless you do
a Heroin or crack on TV, you will be fine.
Like it's you're gonna be okay. Um, I like, thanks
sisty long uh uh. But what it came down to
me as I woke up one day and I knew

(57:45):
what I wanted to do, and I was like, what
would I regret more not doing something and wondering what
if um or doing it and having to fix stuff
down the road. And that was a no brainer um
for me. And so we decided to do it, even
though no one really thought it was a real thing.
And I remember I was in like Target one day
or Walmart and Whitney called me and he's like, the
show got greenlit. And I was like, I don't know

(58:07):
what the hell that means. Whitney like, no one knows
what that means because obviously filmed a pilot and then
it was like a he just put he basically built
a movie trailer around us, like we went to like
a couple events and stuff, but it wasn't It was
like a two minute thing. And then he's like, all right,
camera's gonna show up, and we didn't really believe him,

(58:28):
and then they did and then we started filming, and um,
I was it. But no, there was no castings, Like
I didn't really think, you know, I am I Growing up,
I always thought it would be fun to do TV
or movies, but I wasn't gonna move to l A
and attempted, but it came to me and um, yeah,
and now here we are. So so like six seasons in,

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Like did you think at the beginning, like, okay, maybe
this was one or two seasons fun, but like the
six seasons in? No, my goal, honest. It was just
in the last few seconds, I was like, what was
your honest goal? I think third was my Like that
would be really cool if we made three years, that
means that this was worth it. Um, I know that.
I remember first season didn't go great in the beginning?

(59:15):
Was the beginning? What year was that? Like, I don't
know how seasons there are a year? He's gonna year, Okay,
so subtract. Yeah, probably started filming into because I know
you were googling things about should I do reality? So
in two thousand and fourteen, so this before you were googling. Yeah,
there was an article written on the Huffington Post and

(59:36):
it said all I typed in was should I do
a reality TV show? And it popped up and stuff
popped up for me, and the number one thing to
consider was except that you have given up your privacy,
um except to the extent that you have protected certain
things in your contract. Also look up the other articles
that Huffington Post has written about me over the last

(59:59):
six years. I type, I mean, I didn't type in
your name, but I mean, I'm just saying, how was
that for you? Like giving up your animity, your privacy
or who you want? Like you know, I I knew
from and I'm being completely honest, I knew that being
quote unquote famous or being known by everyone or whatever

(01:00:23):
you know, you want to call it, Uh, you could
only complain about it, and once you got there, it's
not something that you would always I would always wonder
what it felt like to be in that position, to
be you know, you know, for it to be hard
to walk around an airport by yourself, or being like
noticed or something. I would Oh, I would have always
wondered what if. But I was aware that once I

(01:00:46):
got it that I would probably want to go back
to a time that I didn't have it, But it
was better. I still wanted to know what it felt like,
so like, I, yeah, it was worth the us. Like
I knew that I knew what I was risking and
I was okay with it, and I and at the
end of the day, and then I mean, of course,
if you become the male Martha Stewart, then it's like

(01:01:08):
a whole next level. And at the end of the day,
I want to change the thing. Um. I you know,
my goal was to always make a lot of money
to be able to help people. So I always wanted
to be the reason I wanted to get wealthy. For
some reason, I hate the word rich, like really, bothers me.
I don't know why. But besides, I like wealthy because

(01:01:29):
my mom would be like, oh, like your rich friends
or something like. It sounds like, I don't know for
something about that word, like really, it sounds like so
success isn't just defined. I want to be financially successful,
like financial Yeah, so financial freedom was always my goal,
so that you can do whatever you want. I don't
like having boundaries and limits. Um. And I also like

(01:01:51):
and that's kind of how I got into law was
I liked it, I was good at it, and I
knew I would be able to make a substantial amount
of money early on in my career. You know, there
was a chance to do that if you did it right,
and so I could start helping people early on. I
would not have been able to start doing the things
like I got to do in Haiti and stuff at
twenty five and twenty six if I had, you know,

(01:02:13):
and any other job basically, So yeah, I mean I
don't regret it. Um it's worth me. And also I
get to put a smile on someone's face like yeah,
it's overwhelming and gets like I couldn't go out in
Nashville last night. But that's you can't complain about. That's
a whole another thing, like you can't complain about the
problems you have because you just sound like a you know,

(01:02:34):
yeah exactly, And so it's not a problem. It's just
weren't born in like some people I feel for that
are born into something like that and then it's like
they don't have a choice. No, it was totally my control.
In other circumstances, you know what you were getting into
and I and I do like it. Yeah, there's some
and you know, there's some stuff that it's a little

(01:02:54):
weird to deal with, but um, so how long So
we're on season six, Like how many more seasons do
we see something? I'm not sure I mean I think
we're so we're in We're in twenty seven different countries now,
so traveling is very interesting. What huge in Australia, huge
in Europe. Um, Canada was the one place I could
go for a while that no one had a clue

(01:03:15):
who I was. Um, but now are you on in there? Um?
The show has done well my podcast, that's awesome, right
without what we're international? I don't want to be like
that is my goal. They sent stops like Sacy got
to go from Banderpump Rules to do a yeah do

(01:03:36):
you so? Oh? This is another thing I wanted to address.
Is a Bravo reperty or Bravo celebrity. Okay, so you're
a celebrity on Bravo. So there's a name for that,
which I just learned today is Bravo celebrity or you're
you're on brav like your famous because a Bravo right,

(01:03:57):
So Stac is a Bravo clebrity. So all of the
Bravo people like what so y'all all kind of inter mingle,
all the Bravo liberties hang out. It depends. Um, yeah,
a lot of us do, and fortunately a lot of
us are like fans of each other in a good way,
like like, what's Lisa? Do you know Lisa ander Poo?
I don't know her. I'm really I know. Uh Sonia

(01:04:20):
and Ramona from New York? What are they like? They're absurd,
They're amazing. I mean, it's just like they was Sonia
and I are are like Sonia, I are closer than Ramona.
I but I did do Ramona is so funny. She
I did watch What Happens with her this past year,
And um, Caroline is Andy's makeup artists from forever Ago,

(01:04:43):
and she's a sweetheart and I love her. And she
came into my green room to uh like to uh
do my makeup whatever. And I had brought a friend
from college, Pete, who was kind of drunk, and he
was in the hallway and I hear we both hear
Ramono be like are you not even gonna come in
and say hi? And Pete's like, of course I'm coming
and say high. And he goes into a green room
and they talked for like ten minutes, and both of

(01:05:03):
us are like, she d percent things, sees you right
now and we're like, oh yeah, And and then all
of a sudden her team comes in there like, who
are you? And he's like, I'm Pete and she's like,
who the heckx Pete. He's like, I don't know, like
you told me to come in here. That's hilarious. Yeah,
but but Vanderpump is who I'm closest with the show.

(01:05:24):
So Kristen has visited a couple of times, and Charleston
she loved Charleston Stasse's visited a couple of times. Um,
I'm friends with UM, Katie is awesome. Um, I haven't
really met the guys that much. Many teams in a
really weird night. Um. But then chef Austin and I
accidentally got talked into filming Summer House this year. And

(01:05:47):
Summer House is the Bravo version of Real World or
like a Big Brothers. So there's cameras, and there's Mike's
and the headboards, there's cameras all throughout the house. When
it's not hasn't come out yet. It's like their third season.
So everyone from the New York that goes in the
Hampton's on the weekend, that's what the show focuses on.
So it films like six weekends in a row. Yeah,

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and I ended up hanging out with one of the
cast members for that and then we did like hung
out for like two weeks. I don't know. This summer
was kind of like funny, but yeah, so everyone kind
of intermingles in Bravo after a certain amount of years,
all the Bravo leberties got it. But yes, so as
we learned, and the first thing, Craig is so much
more than Bravo, Like, you're so much more like platform. Um.

(01:06:33):
You know, some some of your people here they were like,
he's like an onion, just he's got a lot of layers,
and I would agree. So yeah, there's I mean there's
I love when you find out that people have different
areas that they're like because I think some people might
just have you in the Bravo bubble. But well, and
obviously they heard the first part, but I mean then
when you do things like Summer House, right it's called

(01:06:55):
then that keeps you in that Bravo bubble, but you
have you're doing other things like and you have their
passions and you're following your heart and things that you
want to do. And then you have a philanthropic side,
like you have different things that you care about. And
I think that's awesome. It was a good foundation. I
think I would like to break out of that brabo bubble,
maybe do some dancing with the stars or something. Okay,
So Bobby Bones, well he won. He loved it. Um, yeah,

(01:07:26):
it was really hard, Like it was a hard work,
he says, and he's he's a hard worker. He said,
the hardest thing he's ever done. Um, And it was
a lot of work. I was there. I flew out
for the premiere and I flew out for the finale,
so I was there when he Like, when they were
about to announce the winner, I was like, Okay, no way,
but I mean they're like phones down, phones down, you
can't film. But I was like filming and then like

(01:07:47):
I'm filming, and then they announced his name and I
felt kind of felt like a bad friend because my
reaction was so shot, Like I'm like as as a
friend and a coworker and like support the co host,
like I should be more like less show. But I
was like freaking out, like I couldn't believe it because
he couldn't dance. He was the underdog, like nobody knew
who he was. Like, I mean, granted, a lot of

(01:08:10):
celebrities on there sometimes you have to like revisit. Okay,
what I know, they're a celebrity, but like why do
I know them? And um like for him, like we're
he defines it appropriately, which is we're in certain markets
of the country where if we're on air, where you're
on air and you happen to listen to us, then
of course you know who Bobby Bones is. But like

(01:08:30):
if you're in l A, we're not on air there,
and like people are like, who the heck is Bobby Bones?
And he gets that, like or New York City like
who the heck is? Like Big Pocket where they may
not know and people are tuning in, so but I
tell you aren't listeners, which are some of my same
listeners on the podcast. They're so freaking amazing. He won

(01:08:54):
Dancing with because of our people, like our people. He
one Dancing with the Stars because of that, and he
won over the hearts of some Americans that didn't in
voters that didn't know him. But like our fan base
is so loyal, like they all like he's considering running
for governor of Arkansas, and like I think I think

(01:09:15):
he might win because because like i'd like I would
not I mean the Arkansas where he's from. But I
mean I wouldn't put it past him. So I mean,
you know when you have that that that base, which
I think you would bring that with you if you
went to Dancing with the Stars. I feel like you
would have your Bravo people that would like like a
Bachelor people and Bravo people they have Would you ever
do the Bachelor because that's abc well, like I also,

(01:09:38):
that's my nightmare I can't bring. I just I previously
told you that I can't go past thirty days in
relationship because of the fear of like then you don't
have to break up, no, but you have to break
up with like twenty different people. I would just just
give Like I would just be like, yeah, you all
get roses again first of all. Also, I would know
within five seconds of meeting whoever, Like I would know

(01:09:59):
that first I who I was picking, like when they
got all the limo and yeah, easily, Like I would
instantly know because like my chemistry with people, like how
I've found myself is it's very quick and I know,
like right off the bat um and I just like
breaking up with like nineteen different people or whatever it was,
Like of course there's a number obviously always that like

(01:10:20):
you could get to make but like I just don't
enjoy her, like I'm ample people please are like I
don't want to hurt people's feelings, like I just also yeah,
like to publicly do it, like everything about it, Like
I don't have anything against the Like I'm just saying,
like it would be really really so when it comes
to more reality TV behind besides Bravo, you would lean

(01:10:41):
more towards something like Dancing with the Stars and not
not a dating show. Yeah, dating show would be tough
for me to do. I think like a challenge would
be fun, Like if we did a Bravo like style
MTV like road Rules, real World challenge, Like I think
that would be fantastic. You ever do like Amazing Race? Yeah,
except I'm scared this guy dive and I know that

(01:11:01):
would be one part of it. Yes, I would. I
always wanted to go on Surviving Chelsea actually from our
show was on Survivor. Um she got second or third, Um,
I would love Like I like Survivor, I like Amazing Race. Um.
I wouldn't do a Big Brother um. But yeah, like
I like more of the challenge aspects. Um. Yeah, but

(01:11:25):
I'm yeah, dancing with the Stars. I think it would
be cool because you get an amazing shape and I
feel like it's a fun challenge. But you are I mean,
it's a pretty vulnerable spot to put yourself in. And
I have any dancing. I'm a I'm a decent dancer. Um,
but man, you're putting yourself out there. Is his partner

(01:11:50):
she had red hair, Shara. Yeah, I remember falling in
love with like Julianne huff like and like back and
she wasn't dancing da she's she's yeah, she's been gotten yeah,
but he she wasn't on me and he was. But yeah,
maybe she would come back for you know, she's married
to a hockey player, so well, I know that she
dance with her doesn't mean you have to date her.

(01:12:11):
Well maybe that was in my head. That's your dream
dance and then fall in love and get married and
like two months with a person like dancing like. He
did not hook up with Charna, which that was a
big question, like are you in Charina dating or hooking
because they're both single and he was able to keep
that completely separate. He apparently did have some other relationships
on the show, UM, which that came out on Howard sternly. Yeah. Um,

(01:12:35):
one of the Dance the girls that was on Dancing
with the Stars did Howard Stern recently and put some
stuff out there and I didn't even know about it,
and I was like, excuse me, I should not be
learning this on Howard Stern. That's pretty amazing. Yeah, I've
I've heard that that tends to happen because we had
something in our lives recently that it wasn't about us.

(01:12:57):
But like people just get on that get on the
show how talking, and they talk They're like, okay, well,
Howard's here, I need bust out all my stuff. Howard's
Howard Stern, the King of Radio is asking I mean essentially,
that's the situation that I know of. It was just like, yes,
I will tell you anything. Like all the stuff was
coming out, Like I was listening to it and I
was like, my ears, my ears, I can't, I can't.

(01:13:20):
So um okay, So this was kind of our little
like reality did. So we found out how you kind
of got into Southern charm where you are where you
think Southern charm is is going to keep going at
the point I think it's gonna be Um, I think
this is about our time to like refresh it in
a good way. I think we Yeah, I don't know what,

(01:13:43):
you know, what I can say or not say, but
I just think, um, we're ready for like a fun
fresh start in a positive way where it's like all right,
like we got to see a lot of this, like
you know, turmoil and drama and stuff, but like let's, uh,
let's see where everyone's at, you know, next time we
show up, if we do, and I think it will

(01:14:05):
be in a I think it will be like our
growing up season. I think a lot of it's been um,
you know, like the guys don't do anything like they're
you know, like Peter Pan syndrome and stuff. And I
think that there's a chance that, you know, if we
do come back, um, you know, like this pillow stuff
is taking off fortunately, like this is all new and

(01:14:25):
like you know, Austin's got his beer stuff and like
I think there's a chance that it would be a
new type of show again if we come back. So um, yeah,
I think I think we're in a good position to
maybe you know that friends like fans not bang their
heads against the wall while watching us, And he said,
cheer force. That's good, Okay. So next thing we'll get
into is what was discussed on part one of the

(01:14:50):
Reunion show this season, which was kind of Adderall, which
I I want to talk to you about it because
I have taken Adderall, So we'll get into that next. Okay.
So the third thing we're going to get into kind
of what we said we would talk about earlier, and
it's it's Adderall, which I mean, I don't know if

(01:15:13):
you were officially diagnosed with a d D or a
d h D or when you started taking it, but
I had UM. I knew I had trouble concentrating all
through school. I know that in high school if my
mom would have put me on adderall or something, I
would have done so much better. But I had trouble
focusing and my mom was anti any of that, so

(01:15:35):
I didn't use it um college, didn't use any of it.
Then it was like later in life I got on
it and it was like amazing, I got so much done,
like and it wasn't even at this point in my life.
It wasn't like homework or creaming for a test. Now
in college I did borrow it from people, and it

(01:15:55):
was like my roommate had some, and if I had
a test, I was, yeah, because you paid him back? No,
I know, I mean I guess I would. I would
take it borrow, You're right, because Borrow would be like,
I give it back, So I would. My roommate would
give me some if I had a test, and I
would be able to study all night and I would
ace it. And it was crazy because that was normally

(01:16:15):
not my I didn't have that focus. I didn't have
that retention. I didn't have any of that. It was
always a struggle for me. And so I was like,
this is what it's like, and this is how I
can get an amazing grade. But I obviously didn't have
full access to it and have my own prescription or anything.
And then you know later in life when I got it,

(01:16:37):
I wasn't taking any test or do anything. But I
mean I would get in and I would like everything
my house would be organized, like one time I got
on and it wasn't at all. It was vivance. I
don't know if any need to president in it, and
if you're like, there's yeah, we'll get into it, well
I had to get off of it because I was like,
I feel so yes, if you're not and if you're
not a depressed person like vivants, actually, if you've taken

(01:17:01):
ann present when you're not depressed, it actually will make
you depressed. It's weird, Like I mean again, like like
you know, I don't come after as pharma companies, but yeah,
I add all worked best for me. But yeah, you're right,
it turns a page. It turns a boring textbook into
a page drivening novel. Yeah, and it's but or or
like I would go like, I got this tree from

(01:17:24):
restoration hardware that had to be assembled and put together,
and it was like twelve feet tall, and then I
had to go to Target and get all the ornaments.
And my normal personality is not to unpack that box.
Ben my husband was deployed or somewhere, and I got
my Vivance prescription. I had it in that day. I
took a pill, I unpacked the restoration hard retreat, I

(01:17:47):
assembled the entire thing. I went to Target. I got
all the ornaments, I got all the things. That tree
was decorated same day. That is not my personality. Normally
would take me a week to do that. But it
was like I kind of sat back and looked the
tree and it was like so beautiful and amazing, and
I was like, I'm obsessed, Like I love this, and
at work I would focus. Bobby gets on me on

(01:18:08):
the show, like I doodle during the show, I'm googling
during the show, I'm doing things, and he's like, stay here.
But also part of what he loves about me is
that I can kind of be all over the place
and I'm like, well, which do you want Do you
mean to focus or do you want me to you know?
So for me, it I was able to be more productive,
but it also altered who I was per my personality wise,

(01:18:30):
and so I can relate to the fact of like
not being who you are. And then you have to
keep taking more if you want to feel the same way.
And then you get to a point where you just
feel like total crap and you want to like never
take it again, but then you keep taking it because
you're like, oh I need It's like a up you
feel up and you feel down and there's all these

(01:18:50):
different levels. And this was me juggling vivance and adderall
by the way, alternated them day depending up day, but
like and that's not uncommon, but that's also not smart. No,
but it's it's amazing hearing you say it, because now
I understand like the people that show up to the
Pillow parties and stuff who say that hearing me talk

(01:19:11):
about on the reunion like changed their lives kind of
for the better. Which I was not sure what I
was going to do when I walked out onto the
reunion stage because it's kind of a personal manner matter.
But like I was like, no addictions. You like, additions
is using in the country anyway. And now I'm not
saying that I was a teacher to do it, but
I'm just saying, like people need to and mentally, like

(01:19:32):
all of these things that we try to cover up
need to be addressed. Like I just saw The Joker
the other day and whatever. It's my opinion is that, uh,
the Joker addresses the reasons that people do bad thing
is human cruelty, like I'm saying, like to me, it
addressed the roots, like people were bullies and did horrible
things and then he acted out. See. Now I want

(01:19:53):
to tangent because I don't think m I don't know anymore.
What I'm saying is all right, I got you, but
I haven't seen the joker, So I don't know it
just it explains, like you know, like the reasons he
does when he does is because he was pushed to
like people are horrible. So oh, I guess the point
is then people didn't want that to be aired because
they're like no, no, no, no no, Like it was because like,

(01:20:16):
you know, whatever reasons without without getting into it, I
just think it's healthy to talk about this stuff. So
I decided to say. And I also had been waiting
to tell, Like I I honestly think that if I
wasn't on adderall, then Naomi and I probably would have
never broken up. But I also want to be where
I'm at now, and so everything kind of like comes,

(01:20:36):
you know, like there's you know, there's pros and cons
in each path. But like it was kind of nice
to stand on the stage and I could see that
her face like lit up with pure joy that, like
I had said, I had stopped taking it. Um So
my story without her, although it was you know, I
was I was allowed to stand at my desk in
elementary school. Um if I was allowed to stand at

(01:20:57):
my desk, and like the bag roh, I participated in
class and I was very well behaved if I was
forced to sit and then I poked the kids next
to me and talked to them and everything. Um, I
just was always like very maybe like a d h D.
I don't know. Um I'm not sure how I feel
about the diagnosis diagnoses, but um I was not and

(01:21:19):
didn't take it until college, and I took it we
were both adult. Our parents did not get into it
and parent at an early age, which they could have
maybe because I know that there was some kids in
my grain that had it. But I made it out,
which I'm happy kind of that I did because I
didn't have to go through the riddle in phase and
stuff like that. Um. So I remember taking it from
my roommate um and my g p A. My junior year. Also,

(01:21:44):
I started to take classes like finance that I wanted
to take and not like study about rocks, which some
reason I feel like geology is all made up because
they're like this rock is twenty million years old and
this one was a hundred million years old and this
is a thousand, and my brain was just like I
can't focus on this at not. It's not made up,
I know, but it just wasn't. So my g p
A went from a one seven. This could be a study,

(01:22:05):
a case study on adderall right, now, actually, let's watch
where Greg's brain get so no, so I went from
a one seven too. When I started taking my roommates
adderall junior year two, I got a three nine five
that semester and I called my parents and I was nervous.
I didn't know what they're gonna say, because my parents
were anti that stuff too, and I thought, you know,

(01:22:28):
my you know, and I was never like a drug
kid or anything like that, Like they just weren't. You know,
we played sports growing up and that was it. And
uh my parents were like all right, yeah, Greig, like
or no, they said we know. And I was like,
what do you mean you know? And they're like, well,
we've always known, but like you could get by. You
were still a straight age student without it, so we

(01:22:48):
didn't put you on it or whatever. But they were like,
we knew that you always needed like medicine, but like
you were like in a very positive way. And I
was shocked, and they're like, yeah, we'd rather you take
it legally and illegally, and so they're like, go to
the doctor. And so I went to my doctor. Junior
of college and got a prescription UM and that carried
me throughout law school, which I did really really well

(01:23:09):
in law school. Nfortunately, even though um, you know, I
took a while to graduate that last year. UM it
was funny because my buddy and I would send in
the front row and we would go. We still went
out and stuff, but we did really well in class.
There's only one test of semester in UM law school,
and that's why there's so much pressure on finals. And
we went to like the barstool party or something like

(01:23:31):
two nights before this one final, and everyone else came
in like dressed in like sweatpants and pajamas because they've
been upsetting, and we like wore full suits, and they're like, well,
at least we don't have to deal with those kids
anymore than like our grades came back and we're like
one and two. It was great anyway, that was still
on adderall. So it was a great thing for my life.
Like I really viewed it as the movie, like I
swear the movie. Whoever made the movie Invincible were not

(01:23:53):
Invincible was his gone with Bradley Cooper. It's based on
like the guy. It's on the first thing he does
it goes and cleans his apartment like like it's it's
based on an exaggerated form of it, but that is
based off adderall and that's what it was great. And

(01:24:14):
I was prescribed it. I took my dose and I
was supposed to. Actually I took under my dose even
up till when I stopped, I always took under my
dose um and I would find so sometimes I would
just swallow it. But sometimes if I just took it
and put it right under my tongue and let it dissolve,
it be hit me fast, see it. But that's the
thing is like you know, like I would drive to

(01:24:35):
work with it dissolving under my tongue and I would
get to work, and I knew I was like, Okay,
Bobby's gonna be so problem with because I'm not gonna
be doodling or doing whatever. But also then it altered
my personality and who I was, Like I was sometimes
so focused, but then I wasn't like that myself. That's
what happened with me. So what I've been able to
So I stopped taking about four months ago, and I

(01:24:56):
actually was offered it other night, and I have like
I am like when I decided to do things like
I never got it filled. That's how I stopped. I
like because it was funny because I'd have to wake
up and you had to call my doctor before one
to make an appointment to get it filled. But since
I was out of adderall, I couldn't call him to
make my appointment. So because you give you the desire

(01:25:19):
to call by or like a week. And then I
started traveling and we started doing pillot parties and whatever,
and I didn't have it. And then it got to
a point where I came out of this haze. And
it's a really bizarre feeling when you come out of
the haze, but a great feeling, and you're like you
just started to see everything more clearly. And that was
only because you know, I it wasn't for me anymore.

(01:25:41):
Like in in college and for law school was awesome, um,
but at this point in my life it wasn't and
it wasn't necessary anymore, and so I used it almost
I don't know, it was just it was part of
my routine. Um. But but now you've been able to
break that, and I think that so much better with
me personally now because I'm not studying stuff, so like

(01:26:03):
I am better in what I do now without it
because of what you said, the hyper focus. Like I
was home like two weeks ago, and my mom did
something really silly in the kitchen, which you're just like,
is my brother and my dad and me just standing
there And it was just so like Silly's a nice word,
but it was just silly, like like, Mom, what are
you thinking? And I was able to not say anything

(01:26:25):
but laugh instead, and I was and like and we
actually got brought up in the kitchen, and I was like,
if I was taking my adderall sto, I wouldn't have
been able to not say anything, Like I wasn't able
to have my patience was gone. I had zero patients
when I took my adderall And instead of being able
to laugh things off that weren't a big deal or
let it slide, like, I had to like address it

(01:26:47):
and bring it up. And I think it really hurt
my relationship. I mean there was a lot of things
that went on, but I just instead of being able
to let like, you know, we had different versions of
like apologizing and like Nami wasn't big and saying sorry.
But I don't think if I was, if I wasn't
thinking at all. It wouldn't have bothered me, Like I
wouldn't have obsessed about it. And I think it just
I don't know. I was better on it back then,

(01:27:09):
now I'm better off it or better without it now.
Um so yeah, I don't know. I just I like
myself a lot more now than I did before, and
like I also my sleep schedules normal, and like I'm
more of a normal person, Like sleep is. Sleep is
so important to like, I mean it ranks up eating right,

(01:27:29):
working out, like it's sleep is now at the top.
We realize how important it is. But I think anything
that alters who you are, and we all are made
differently and have different qualities, different strengths, different weaknesses, And
I feel like, unfortunately for some of us that do
have trouble concentrating and focusing and checking things off our
to do list and whatnot, but we also do have

(01:27:51):
other qualities about ourselves that are a contribution to our relationships,
and when we take something that suppresses that at in
order to get our checklist done, we alter who we are.
And I totally understand feeling like we want to feel
that accomplishment and that achievement, which is what adderall gave
us or bivans or insert whatever stimulant. But then well,

(01:28:20):
I'd like to say that I've never done that, but
I mean, I don't think it's j K. But so
I think that, you know, for others listening, that might
be there may be even if it's just one person listening.
Right now, that's like struggling with what should I do?
I just feel torn. Should I take this? Should I not?

(01:28:41):
Like I feel like going more of a holistic route.
And I'm all about modern medicine and like Eastern like
Western and Eastern medicine, so some things holistically something's modern
medicine is totally like pills and pharmaceuticals, they're necessary, but
there are things you can do maybe that help get

(01:29:04):
you to that point of what you need to do.
Like it can be certain foods that you eat, like
some even parents if kids have attention deficit disorders whatever,
they cut out gluten and they cut out certain things
sugars and and they could find more focus in their kids. Well,
I mean, I feel like the same could apply to us,
as I don't. Yeah, I think you have, Like I
think your take is incredible in it. I really haven't

(01:29:26):
ever really had this discussion with someone that understood it
as well as I thought I did, as you do.
I think for me, mine was mental health. Um, I
was like, I like, as in, I need positive reinforcement.
So yeah, like and that's my love language is affirmation. Yes,
mine too. And I didn't understand love languages until and

(01:29:47):
not to bring up Nami, but it is the best,
like and we're great friends now we're fine. And so
it's a it is like a case study on like
a part of who I was in my life. And
I didn't understand love languages until af her and if
we would have understood that and applied it, but we
needed that experience like a huge saying I didn't have
we have different like love languages and how we showed it.

(01:30:09):
And when I found myself in a depressed state because
I didn't have that positive reinforcement for the first time
in my life, and um, it really affected me. And
when I was taking I don't know, I'm just saying
like I think for me, like I think you're you're
right about like finding other stuff to do it. I

(01:30:29):
don't know, it's it's a it's a complicated subject um,
but I think what you said about like numbing the
other like aspects of your personality. That's huge too, because
you lose like, you know, I have this like cufiness
or silliness or like sparkle that like I get to
be like a dumb little kid. It's kind of how
I act. And like when like Shep you know, who

(01:30:52):
is highly critical a lot of times he's like Craig
like he loves me without all because he's like, you're
like a little kid again and you're not so obsessed
over like everything happening in the room that you can
actually just be present and be aware. And it's kind
of a nummy. So I think, I guess at the
end of it, like one aspect of my life, one
part of my life. It it helped me do as

(01:31:13):
well as I did, and it was great. But then
you know, I'm glad that I'm happier now without it.
But and that's my hope for people that are on it,
Like if they're on it and they're using it correctly,
then fine, But I hope that at some point in
their life they can find a way to operate maybe
without it, because I personally don't think being honest stimulate

(01:31:34):
stimulant like that long term is going to be good
for anybody. And I'm not a doctor. This is just
my personal opinion. Please don't email me and get offended
or anything like. I know that some people need it
at certain seasons in their life. Um, but my hope
is that we can find something else for people like
us or kids or anybody's having to use it. Like

(01:31:57):
there's so much and you coming out with a cookbook,
like even you having to cook a certain way for
your mom who's battling cancer, Like there's there's so much
power and food, And I think sometimes we write that
off too quickly or we just don't know. We're ignorant
to it, and we don't realize like certain things we're
putting into our body that isn't a pill directly affect
and we're all made up so differently, Like one person

(01:32:18):
able to eat one thing and it does not affect
them a certain way. We see that with Since we
brought up gluten earlier, I'll bring that up as an example,
Like I I tend to avoid gluten because I know
that I feel better and my skin is better and whatever,
But I don't really have like a gluten intolerance like
I'm not Celiac disease or anything. Some people literally they
have gluten in there in the hospital, right, So we

(01:32:38):
know there's certain foods that totally affect you. And maybe
it's it's in your gut or maybe it's in your brain,
like some people may have gluten Like a child, for example,
will just bring up kids for because I know that
studies work where they eliminate certain things from my kids
diet that has a d D and they eliminate the
gluten and the sugar and the crap, and the kids

(01:32:58):
starts to improve. Well, that's maybe like you might have
just found the pathway to where we're gonna go with
a cookbook. Maybe I'll do and like something on that.
I mean there's things like there's certain foods that cause
inflammation which I've never thought of that honestly, like like
and yeah, you're right, unless it's like a product provided
by a farmer company, you don't the average person doesn't

(01:33:21):
really analyze how that affects their body other than I
mean this might be like like ignorantly speaking, but like
is this gonna make me heavy or not? Or is
this gonna make me like in shape? But like a
lot of people don't think like is it gonna affect
my brain or like my gut? What's your gut is
a lot of people call that your second brain because
there's so everything goes through. So I had Daniel Walker

(01:33:43):
on a couple of weeks ago, and she's become she
has she's the New York Times bestseller for three cookbooks.
Four actually, but she is well maybe three of them
in New York Times, but either way, she has four
different books out. She's you know, socially on Instagram like
a whole thing, and she her life like she she

(01:34:04):
literally almost died because of things she was eating and
doctors could not heal her and they had her on
all these medications and she's like, I can't survive this way.
She was inting at a hospital and then she literally
healed her body through food. And that is what her
cookbooks are about. And she's literally saving lives because she
put her recipes out there that she sees change and
then she sees it's not just because they have the

(01:34:26):
same autoimmune disorder she has. There's a lot of autoimmune
disorders out there, like they all categorized as different things.
But I feel like with the circles back to the
A D D or the A D h D. Like
I feel like we could. I don't know, some doctors
would be like, no, you're crazy, but I feel like
we could fix that with food, um, but and and

(01:34:49):
healthy lifestyle and meditation and honestly, when you work out,
you I feel I'm like it all of like these
there's sleep sleep, like there's a list of it. Then
you're tired to go to sleep, and you're like you
don't want to stay up and you don't want to
do other stuff like you're Yeah, for me, like eating
healthy is extremely important, but I was fortunate to like

(01:35:13):
that's what my my palate is for a healthy eating
Basically I was growing up on it. But when I
get back into working out, because I'll go in like
two months, you know, two months without it and before
you get hooked on it again. When I'm working out, UM,
I have I have a program from when I was
still playing in high school that um I can go

(01:35:35):
in and do about a forty minute workout and you
you cycle through it during the week. But how I
get back into it because like I up till about
a week ago, I was probably you know, unhealthy spot
because coming off my adderall I all of a sudden
had an appetite again and I started to eat and
unfortunately have a good dime. But um, you know, I

(01:35:57):
had to start running again. Running is how I get
back into it. Even though I don't like running that much.
Running is somehow I can procrastinate. Have a Peloton treadmill,
so I know the guys that like we I know
them and I when they were coming out with it,
and I think I'm gonna get one. Okay, so I
have one downstairs, the treadmill amazing. Bobby got it for

(01:36:20):
me for Christmas, and it's like game changer because I'm
not really a runner either, but and I have a
bad back, and so a doctor told me the only
way I can run is not on pavement, but on
if I'm running on the peloton, i can. So that's
crazy to hear that, because it used to be like
the treadmill is bad for your knees, No, I mean whatever,

(01:36:41):
But the peloton is made in such a way and
I'm like, okay. And then the classes are such a
game changer, and they talked to you while you're running,
and so anyway, I know we've kind of gotten off.
But but but yeah, exercise, diet, um, sleep, whatever you
can incorporate into your life. That we just want to
be I think I don't want to speak for Craig,
but right now this little thing we kind of want

(01:37:04):
to be an encouragement to anybody that's on it that
maybe is like on the fence of like, oh should
I keep taking this every day? Like oh, I just
don't know how I feel because I know where you
are with that, and it's like you almost you get
to where you think you can't function if you don't
wake up and take it right right well, and it
becomes a cheat and like that's what you are straight
away from saying, but it really is like you don't
have a test that day, you're out of school, and

(01:37:25):
like you're your routine, you know. Yeah, what he was
saying is like what you're saying is perfect, but I
don't need to vacuum my house five times. Yeah, You're
like you get to a point where you're like, I
love it. I love what it did for me, but
I don't I don't necessarily think that I need it anymore.
But it's it does take a second to like, you know, again,

(01:37:47):
it took me not filling it to get off it.
And but I am happier now, like I'm a thousand
times better, but only because it was the right time
in my life, you know, so well, thank you for
being candid about that and sharing open and I know
that there's probably a lot of people that appreciate that.
So yeah, hopefully, because yeah, I might hopefully the farmer

(01:38:07):
companies don't come cut me. But I guess we did
do pharmaceutical litigation before reality, So yeah, my podcast is
not sponsored by anything farm us yet at least I
don't think at this moment, at the time that this
air is enlightened we end up. No, I'm just yet.
So the next thing we're going to get into is

(01:38:28):
just quickly be thinking about four things that you're thankful for.
We'll do that next Okay, so it's gratitude time. Um
Something we try to practice on this podcast with most

(01:38:49):
guests is gratitude. And since sticking with the four things theme,
four things you're thankful for, which marrin are are launching
a gratitude journal, have to send you one um where
because studies show that if you can acknowledge and express
what you're thankful for, it just leads to all types
of benefits in your life ealth wise. And so we

(01:39:12):
would like to know four things that Craig is thankful for.
I feel like I could learn a lot from you guys.
You seem very wise. Um uh first and foremost not
uh not even in cliche way. But my parents are awesome.
I got very lucky. I mean, you take a kid
that was in his the end of his second year

(01:39:35):
of law school, working at a good law firm, and
he calls home and say, you know, I'm the oldest,
and it's like, all right, Craig's got stuff figured out,
Like we don't have to worry about him. And it's
like the guy is thinking about doing a reality show,
like you know, it takes like an awesome parents like
trust you. And then that's what they'll say. That's what

(01:39:56):
they do say about me either, Like we dress Craig
like when he decided to do something, we know that
he's put the thought into it. And they've always been
supportive and uh been fans of mine and um and yeah,
I got very fortunate, you know they there we we
still had dinners every night. Um, your parents. Yeah, when

(01:40:17):
my brother and I were growing up, I didn't know that,
like only to show how fortunate I was. I didn't
know that families didn't have dinner at the dinner table
like we had. I mean that was just you know,
Christopher and I would play outside every day. Um, we
fought a lot because we just competed against each other.
But when dinner was ready, we came in. And uh,

(01:40:40):
why I started cooking also is because my mom was
a school teacher didn't have a lot of time to
cook and did not know how to cook. And now
I'm teaching her and she's actually becoming better. But um, yeah,
they were great. Um I'm first generation money and as
in like we grew up in like you know, it's
like a like a little little little like most like

(01:41:01):
you know double like double wide too. Like I wasn't
a trailer, but it was like a little small rancher
to like big your house. And it was cool. I
got to grow up with like you know, being friends
with the you know, the cleaning lady or the sports
staff or anyone. I just was taught by them how
to treat everyone like a humans. That was good. Um. Second,
what popped in my head, which is our our audience.

(01:41:23):
Here is the team that I have now as a man,
and Jerry, they are who actually changed my life to
get me to a point where I didn't want to
take you know, at all anymore because I was actually
doing good, Like no, I won't even They got me
a point where your best self was coming out. I
had all of this, like how you've commented in this podcast,

(01:41:47):
Like I had all of these things that I wanted
to do and express, but I just didn't have an
outlet form and I didn't have a path and my
decision anxiety for something like that, Like I just didn't
know where to go. But I knew I had on
ton of potential to provide, Like I knew I had
a lot to offer, I just didn't know how to
do it. Um. And so when they came along, they

(01:42:07):
gave me an outlet for that potential. And um, you know,
you hit the ground running. And as long as I
have a direction to run in, you know we're gonna
go in full speed. Um. I I am thankful for
yeah right, yeah we done. It was definitely gonna be
more than four. But um, that's good to have a

(01:42:30):
lot of gratitude. So I mean because like realistically then,
like you know, the show is why. You know, the
show gave me a platform and a foundation to be
able to be, you know, work towards being my best self,
which was great. Um, I what else am I greateful for?

(01:42:51):
I mean, it doesn't have to be anything. Monster Energy
Profound is that your fourth thing? Yeah? What is this?
Earlier than the rehabs? Monso Rehabs So my buddy Graham
now Monster Rehab. So it's not they need to rebrand.
They would help themselves so much if they rebranded the
actual rehabs and not the energy drinks because the rehabs

(01:43:14):
don't have any sugar in them, and they're just like
vitamins and they help you wake up when you're not
Like I'm not a coffee drinker. Um, and you know
I'm not on stimulants. So the Monster Rehab is the answer. Um,
it's actually fantastic. We order them my Kinna Hayward orders
them in balk from Amazon for me. Also thankful for

(01:43:36):
Anna Hayward and she got me to a point where
I was able to meet my team. It's my assistant.
She's incredible. She on the reunion episode I saw her
is that her they might have done a flashpack. She
wasn't at the reunion. No, I mean when y'all in
the reunion you revisit parts of the epode's brown hair, yeah,

(01:43:58):
shout out, it's like it's burnt whatever. She is a
redhead because her husband always says that being married to
a redhead isn't like adventures. Sure looked brown to me,
but somebody else, right, Mary, did it look brown? Brown?
But it's but it's red. Fine, you heard it here.
It's red. So Monster rehab they have tea lemonade and

(01:44:22):
energy or something. So the peach tea is awesome. Okay,
it was good. Um right, this is not right. You know,
we just we talk about things here all the time.
It's like there, we don't know. I mean, I'm curious
to learn, Like I'll look what's in it, Like I
drink those like every day. Now. It's got electrolyzed antioxidants,

(01:44:44):
t extract coconut water which is really hydrating. Um one
of those and it's like and it's like again, there's
no sugar and it's not like a lot of caffeine.
Have you ever had zevia? Speaking of things that are
not sponsored? But somehow I find a way to bring
up Zevia on every episode that I do. But as
they don't even know who I am. Um, but I

(01:45:07):
talked about them and there is zero calorie sugar sweetened
with stevia and they make an energy Is that what
I'm drinking right now? No, you're drinking Topo Chico. No,
I'm drinking with Oh you got orange zva? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I love it. Okay, So I've never liked regular, so,

(01:45:28):
like I said, I didn't. I wasn't allowed to drink
regular shouts growing up, so I was like diet stuff.
And then how I quit drinking Soto was like sparkling water.
And then this, this is great love. ZeVA is amazing.
So you can find it a whole foods a lot
if you're looking for it. But Target just Target have
it some flavors, but orange is sometimes hard to find.
An orange is the best. But um, it's like it's

(01:45:52):
really good and they have these Xvia has an energy
line which sounds kind of like this monster one that
you're and if I drink it on an empty stomach,
like I'm it's similar. I'm not comparing it to adderall
because I know that it's different, but it stimulates me
in a way where I'm like, what do I need
to get done? But I do have a crash. I
do have a crash, and then I don't like how

(01:46:13):
I feel afterwards, So then I take a break and
I don't drink them. And I know everybody's bodies are different,
like some people am able to drink it and they
may not crash, or they may feel different, or maybe
if you had it with food, you would feel different.
But there was one day that like I just had
to grab it walking out the door and I went
to work and I felt like I knocked out stuff
and I think I even talked to Mary, like I'm
away home and I was like, I just drank this
via energy thing and like I felt like I got

(01:46:36):
so much done, And Mary was like, can I give
you those every day? Because like we have our squad
business together, and I'm sure she would like for me
to stay more focused and more consistent and with the
way that I operate. But I but I can't drink
it all the time because I do feel a crash.
I see it sounds good, but the regular see the rehabs.
So the rehabs all they do is I'm not a

(01:46:58):
morning person at all, and like, but I like, like,
so I've been waking up like a normal well no, no,
or I get up like nine thirty now or whatever,
which was huge for me. But if I drink a rehab,
it just takes me to a normal person. So it's
not like hyper anything. It just gets me out of
like I'm really hazy in the morning, and it just
takes me out of that fog. But there's no like,

(01:47:20):
I don't feel like I used to do what I like,
you know, it to take out all and stuff. It
just you know, if you're a nerve at all or anything,
it just makes you kind of normal and it's good
and it gives me like almost a placebo effect of
being like placebo is so real. Yeah, Like, my husband's
best friends and doctor and he's come on the podcast
and he talks about how to some of his patients.

(01:47:43):
He'll even say things like when they're in there, he'll
talk to them in such an encouraging positive way because
he knows they will leave their feeling better because they've
been told by their medical professional doctor that they're going
to be better, and they will believe that they're going
to be better. He's like, I could give them a
sugar pill and be like, take this three times tonight

(01:48:04):
and you're going to feel better. And he's like it's
crazy because and you know, everybody's different again, but majority
of the time we do have like a plusy boat
is real and um yeah, okay, so we could probably
go on and on, but like we've had. I was
just saying, like I think, Craig, this might be the
like the longest podcast ever, but um so, just to recap,

(01:48:25):
you're thankful for your parents and family and your business
partners and the show Southern Charm all the people there,
and then Monster Rehab. That's good. I love it. Yeah,
why not? You know, I mean I love my brother
and stuff, and well every day when we send you
well yeah, I mean, you know I can make the

(01:48:47):
list all the time when we send you your spa,
which spa means hope in Creole, which is what they speak,
and hat and um that's the line marrying I have
that makes the totes boats and the we have all
kinds of things under that line. But we're we have
a four things also similar to this podcast, Gratitude Journal,

(01:49:08):
and when we get it, I'm gonna send you one
and you'll be able to every day or whenever you
feel like it, no pressure. It's like a journaling can
be intimidating for some people, especially if you have UM
that where you can just like it's like journaling for dummies,
like sort of, it's just really easy for things, and
then every day you can write down things for things
that you're thankful for, and that's where you can include

(01:49:31):
other people in your life. Yeah, like if well and
if you if I was able to do it, it
might become the most into me. There's two outcomes. Either
I spend all day doing everything else I'm supposed to
do to avoid doing that, which is fine, so then
I'll get done everything else. Or I actually start doing
it and I have that structure, um that I can
do that every day, and then we created it to

(01:49:51):
not be intimidating, would be able to do it, and
then you're going to see other benefits, Like they just
say it's better for your over all well being, your sleep,
your positive attitude. Like reck now I see that. I do.
Wish I wrote more over the last few years. Um,
I have a friend on another show that wrote down
everything and just turned it into um a book that's

(01:50:15):
not yet anyway. Yeah, I'm just so you know, well,
you are coming out with a cookbook. But here's a question.
You said you modeled your pillow parties after a book tour.
Do you think you'd ever write a book? So I
have a very good friend that owns a publishing company,
and he has this talk with me a lot. I don't,

(01:50:36):
just as a humble way, I don't think I've done
enough yet to write a book. I'm okay with it.
I'm not against it. He's basically told me he sold
it to me, and being like Craig, you're you know,
there's a writer that comes and fine, I don't know
which direction i'd write because we had a ton of
fun at the College of Charleston. Um, those were fun years.

(01:50:58):
You know. This eightist chapter of my life, you know,
or the last few of the show has been incredible,
and now I have this tour. Um, I also have
a interesting childhood kind of So yeah, I mean again,
that's not an answer. But if I'm down to sit
down with someone and talk, um, so possibly maybe in

(01:51:22):
like two years. We're getting a loose commitment here from
a memoir. I'm down. I mean, I'm down to do it.
I've told him I'm down to do it. Um, I
just I'm I don't know how to do things like halfway,
and so if I go full in on this, I
don't know how and you have a lot of other things.
I think that's smart to like think it through and
know what you can. And I also don't know, like

(01:51:42):
what bridges i'd be like, I don't know, like like
depending on what I feel like, maybe once the show
is when the show ends, I'll be ready to write
the book. It was a tea. I mean, I just
you know, like yeah, I mean, no, NBC, I'm not
going to write to tell all under my contract term,

(01:52:03):
but once it expires, when that expires, Um, okay, So
things look forward to in the future, Craig wise is
probably like more Amazing pillows. We've got a cookbook maybe
down the line, some sort of memoir, um, a Hallmark
movie Male Martha Stewart like the New Then the closest

(01:52:24):
one is our baby line, which is going to be
You're having a baby line. Yeah, it's so we're gonna
have nursing pillows and their drafts and so the draft
the boy drafts has the blue drafts have blue bow ties,
and the girl drafts have pink caribows and the nursing
pillow will be for like your nursing chair or whatever.
And then we have these bibbs that um or like

(01:52:48):
nursing bibs or whatever you call them. Instead of like
them always falling and stuff, it's actually actually a sash
or like a satchel. And so you just with the
nursing mamas. So okay, we're okay. So I think we're
we're gonna be talking with our people and we may
do some sort of a giveaway with the toads, but
I think once the baby stuff comes out, we should

(01:53:08):
do another like collab giveaway because we have the cutest
onesie that's a four things onesie for babies and it's
I mean, Amy have pimp and enjoy ones too, but
they're adorable. Anything that you do it like once a
month and keep it like seasonal fest, we can do.
I think we've developed like a good like we have
a good cross what's good cross promotion too, because you've

(01:53:30):
got different people than I have, and I've got different
people that you have and will bring everybody and we
were so like even though this is the first time
we've ever met in person, we actually are really connected
in the past few years. Yeah, like through various things,
putting literally at all. I met your family in Haiti,
like we have great close friends and like same charities

(01:53:52):
and stuff. So yeah, but all mostly I appreciate you
coming on and thank you for taking the time. And
then for sure, if you can find your schedule, like
either either if it's you're in Nashville or it's on
the phone or whatever, whenever the cookbook comes out, I
want to come do we'll do We'll do one thing
because like if we do four things, we talk for
like forever. So we'll do one thing on the cookbook

(01:54:14):
and then every little thing you like, you have an
invitation to come back, like for a thing for all
your different things. Well, I love Nashville. Okay, can we
get a applause from the live audience? Okay, So that
concludes our time with Craig. I hope that y'all have
enjoyed it as much as I have. And um, yeah,
follow along with all the fun things that he has

(01:54:36):
going your instagram is it's c a conover and then
those are the two to follow. Yeah, thank you for
having me Amy and a lot of fun

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