#411 - Thomas Rhett on Why He Hasn’t Been On Social Media Since January + Being Jealous and Inspired After Going to Taylor Swift’s Era’s Tour + He and His Wife’s Philanthropic Passion + Why He Hasn’t Listened to His Own Music in Two Months - Bobbycast

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
We have like two songs in our ninety five minute
show that weren't hits, and every single night my heart
starts to race before I'm play them because I go
does anyone care?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Episode four eleven, Thomas Rhett Mike, what do you think
about this?

Speaker 3 (00:21):
I think this is like the most the artist has
ever opened up to you. This is one of the
best ones.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I think it is the most like an A plus
list artist has opened up. Yeah, because a lot of
times they if they're massive and we sit for an hour,
they're very guarded and eventually I can crack it and
we get places. But Tiers just came in and felt
comfortable and we're doing the interview, I guess we're just talking.

(00:51):
My brother in law's in the room while we were
doing this because they were in town, and he had
said to me, you have an interesting interview style that
I've never seen before. I said, what's that? Because you're
just talking about you have the microphone in your hand
down low, and then all of a sudden you just
bring it up and it just rolls into the interview.
And he said, I think that just makes everybody feel
like the conversation is just still going. And now you
just pulled a microphone up. Yeah, because we were talking

(01:11):
for a while before we started actually doing it. But
he was like, you don't ever do one of those things,
like everybody went here time to do the interview.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I think I kind of took a step back at
one point and I just felt like I was listening
to just two people just have like this friendly conversation.
I was like, oh, wait, we're recording this, this is a podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I like Thomas Rhett and you know, we've definitely had
seasons where we hang out a little more or were
together a little more. I hadn't seen him in a while,
and so it's pretty cool that he came over and
again we did an hour here over an hour. He's
got a new vinyl twenty number one, so we'll talk
about that comes out September twenty ninth. I thought it
was interesting as to why it's not called the Greatest Hits. Again,

(01:47):
he's only thirty three. He's got twenty number one songs.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
It's crazy, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I told him that we were making our mind up
to move to Nashville, that Eddie and I heard that
song Beer with Jesus, and I could see him and
be like, oh yeah, so it's great. I don't know
what else to say here. I just want to kind
of get to it. But he's got a current song
that's you know, by the time you hear this, it
could be a number one. It's a top ten right now.
It's called Angels. Here's a little clip in Thomas Rhet's

(02:14):
new single Angels You Shit s JA. He talks about
why that's an unconventional type of love song. So here
we go Thomas Rhett, follow him at. Thomas Rhett akins
A fun fact about Thomas Rhett. If you know him
and he's your friend or you just know him, nobody
calls him Thomas. That knows him, you call him Thomas Rhett,

(02:37):
just like you'd call Billy Jean Billy Jean that was
the name, or you call him tr But if somebody
knows him, they call him. If they don't know him,
they call him Thomas. I just call him Thomas all
the time, be like, what up.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Thomas, Hey Thomas.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Then he's like, Hey, that's that. You know me now,
Thomas htt got it? Thank you, Thomas Rhett, And here
we go. With episode four eleven of The Bobbycast.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
My voice is like trash. So if I sound like
a horse humans, because it's.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Why what were you doing you at the Taylor Swift show?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
No, dude, Pete, that was at my own shows this
weekend in Texas, and so they're well started making me
these the.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Bracelets very swift. Well, that's sure, it's very swifty. Now
that has become the culture, the concert culture because Taylor
is so big.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I know, the concert didn't get to show that it
was fire here. Yeah, the rain of the rainy night when.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
You see a show like that, Because anytime I see
anything creative, I can pull. I can be professionally jealous
in a positive way, for sure, because I get it
all the time with a couple of my friends. But
I can also go what can I implement? I can
be I can be inspired and jealous at the same time.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
That's how I felt.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
What about that show to you? And what did you
see that made you jealous? You haven't done it yet,
but you were also inspired by.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Well, I was jealous in the fact that I will
never be able to afford anything that she had, like
on stage, you know, saying I mean there was a
million trap doors. The video wall itself is the biggest
video I've ever seen in my life so jealous in
the fact that my set that I have on the
road now literally encompassed a fraction of what hers was

(04:14):
in that stadium. Inspired though that it is possible to
put on a three and a half hour performance in
a crowd not get bored. That's what I was so
fascinated about, because I mean, my show is like ninety
five minutes, maybe one hundred minutes if I'm really feeling it,
And I'm like, have I played too long and extremely
high energy to your show?

Speaker 2 (04:32):
But obviously you have points where you're in your ballads
for sure, but your show is a show. When you
get off stage, I'm assuming you're tired.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
I'm whooped, right, yeah. But I mean when she did
the whole like folklore section, when the whole treehouse was
being built, i mean, she played what's seven eight ballads
in a row, and I was just so fascinated because
just the scenery, that everything just kept changing. There was
there was never a moment where something was the same.
You know what I'm saying, do you? It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's hard for me to hear audio or watch a
comedian because that is what I'm doing all the time
I'm out of the telling jokes are working like this,
So if I hear audio, I'm always like, Okay, I
wonder what went into that or how they write that joke.
When you're watching her do this show, are you also
paying attention to all the things like the set, the piece,
and you're like, man, this is look at the elaborate
details they've put into certain aspects of the show. Yeah,

(05:20):
like physically because you're just so involved in it yourself.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, for sure. I mean, and we also, like, I
use the same music director that Taylor does, This guy
named David Cook. We started work on them like five
years ago, so I mean David was working on this
tailor show for like seven months. What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Music director?

Speaker 1 (05:36):
So he kind of comes in and like if there's
a new record coming out, and he takes all the
stems from the record, all the stems from the old record,
and make sure that whatever the band is like not
playing but still needs to be coming through the speakers
is like all mixed, all perfect perfectionist of like set
list transitions. If you're taking like an older hit but

(05:56):
you want to make it sound jazz, or you want
to make it sound like he goes in and kind
of just redials all the songs, and so he put
that three and a half hour tailor's show together, and
so like we rehearse for a month, and I feel
like we're pretty dialed. I can't imagine rehearsing for seven months,
But when you see the show, you're.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Like, they reharse for seven months.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
I think. So that is so like the band will
do a month and a half, the crew will do
a month, production will do a month, and then they'll
do full on everybody for a month, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (06:28):
That show that you were asked, the one that rained
right really hard and she kept playing. Yeah, what's the rule?
Not her rule, because I guess it all depends on
what you have about on the stage. Yeah, what's the
rule when you're playing on rain? Obviously, if that lightning
is you got to get off the stage.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
And it's like if there's like lightning within eight miles,
I think you have to wait thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
But what about if it's just raining really hard, like
how much of your stuff can actually get ruined?

Speaker 1 (06:54):
I guess it depends on how much of it is
like out in the rain, because I mean festivals, you
know there's a big top or whatever, and even at
amphitheaters you have a you're covered, you know what I'm saying. So,
I mean if you're getting like directly rained on, I
guess your microphone could kind of crap out if it
got like really soaking wet. But I mean hard rain
you can play through. Is just when it gets kind

(07:14):
of dicey because we just don't want you're just slowing
over my river? Yeah, got it? So literal stuff, Yeah,
I mean like maybe ten miles an hour, fifteen miles
an hours, okay, but you start getting into like forteen
fifteen miles an hours kind of sketch.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Have you ever lost equipment because of rain and you're like, god,
dang man, that's it's soaked, or do you want to
start trying to do just kind of back up underneath
d of the backgar for a little bit. Yeah, it's
been pretty prevalent the last couple of months where weather
has moved or canceled more than I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
It's insane, especially like in Nashville, Like I've never experienced
this kind of weather in my life. But even like
we're this is the first summer we've ever done arenas,
so like, we haven't had to worry about that, but
we did have to cancel the show in Bozer City
because remember when the windstorm came through Nashville and like
everybody lost power, the same thing happened in about your
city and the building didn't have power that we're supposed

(08:04):
to play in like five days. So it's like, I
didn't think it was possible to have to cancel an
arena show until this year. So we haven't gotten to
We haven't had an issue with the weather because we're
all indoors, but I've seen multiple folks getting rained out,
lightninged out, winded out. It's a super weird year for weather.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
How's the arena feel for you?

Speaker 1 (08:24):
I love it? Man.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
What's the difference for you in an arena and a
large amphitheater that holds basically the same amount of people.
Arenas are going to be bigger for the most part,
but you'll get into like what's the vibe, what's the
what's the vibe difference?

Speaker 1 (08:41):
You know. It's interesting because there's a lot of people
that were like, it's really strange to do an arena
tour in the summer because I think everybody a lot
of fans are creatures of habit, you know what I mean,
Like if you live in Dallas, like you go to
dose SECI's Pavilion. If you live in Houston, you go
to the Woodlands. And so this weekend we played where
the Mavericks play in Dallas and then we played at

(09:01):
the Toyota Center in Houston, and you can kind of
tell that, Like I'll I think people felt sort of
like what are we doing? Like we never come here
for these type of shows. But there's something about an
arena that, like when an arena is packed out, like
those people have made a plan in advance to be there,
you know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
They are there because they have specific seats.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Too specific seats, I think sometimes like in an amp,
I mean a lot. I mean, everybody plans to come,
but it could be the day of and you could
sell twenty five hundred three thousand tickets just on the
on the grass because it's something to do outside like
an arena. An arena tour is a very dedicated like
fan thing.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
That's why I feel when not because I'll i'll only
do theaters when I do stand up and sometimes you'll
get a place going, hey, we have like a comedy
club that situation or a general emission. But because I'm
so insecure and just completely unsure of myself, I need
that person to be in a chair and in the
theater focused forward, where if they get up and walk out,
it's going to interrupt everybody. So maybe like I won't

(10:00):
get up like and it's a bit different, but it's
also the same where like I, if they're coming to
a theater show, there's a dedication of they're here to sit,
they got the ticket the time, and now they're here,
and so yeah, and what I meant. Arenas are obviously
way bigger than amphitheaters, but there's the occasional ampitheater that's massive,
And I just wonder what that vibe difference is. One

(10:21):
time I played an arena, not not your capacity because
you're superstar, I'm idiot, but there's a we were on
a stage. It was turning a circle the whole time.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I got so dizzy that it's so strange.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I know, and it was dark and I never knew
where I was.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
That's what the Houston Rodeo does.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
That's that was I played the Austin Rodeo and the
whole time this I did. I never knew where I
was right because it was spinning and it was also dark,
which I wanted to be dark because then I'm I
get insecuted about seats that aren't filled and I'm a wreck.
But I just remember going, I don't know where I am. Yeah,
you ever be on a spin and stage like that?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Only at the Houston Rodeo. It's it's a very it's
a I mean the road it was really cool, but
it's like you never I never really know when to
like walk off and like do the thrust thing because
when you walk off the thrust, the thrust isn't moving.
So when you come back to the stage your banding shift,
your band is like looking that way and you have
to kind of like run back around your set.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
You're like, yeah, thrust doesn't move though, correct, So you're
on the thrust and it's spinning with the.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Stage is still spinning without you, So you either have
to like commit to be out there until your band
comes back around, or you just have to go find them.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
That's funny. Is there a difference in how you hear
the sound in an arena because in a stadium you
can so far sometimes get so far away and even
the timing's off, yeah, because you're hearing it or is
it pretty much the same as anywhere else.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
It's so like hit or miss. Like I would say
that most arenas in the country are strictly for sports,
like some of the new arenas, Like we played the
Moody Center this weekend in Austin. Oh my gosh, dude,
it was the most amazing. First of all, the people
that run that place are the My kids were out.
They made a whole room for my kids with a
bouncy house, and like they're just dialed on details. But

(12:02):
even just the building itself, you can tell that there's
a lot of like the phone padding or whatever like
in the ceiling. But then other arenas, man, it's just
the noise just goes up there and it gets trapped
and then it comes right back to you and it's
like the rooms can be really boomy, but you can
really notice like a difference, like at the Mavericks place,
Like Mark Cuban knew that that place was going to
have live music, so they did all the right stuff

(12:24):
and the moment you've seen you never get any feedback
that the sounders does what it's supposed to do, so
arena's can be super hit or miss. Theaters are pretty
much all the same, man, because the sound just goes
and it never comes back, you know what I'm saying.
But stadiums are open open because there's the stadiums are
pretty wild because you know, especially like where the like
at the Vikings Field or whatever, some of those indoor

(12:45):
stadiums are so giant and boomy that it's like almost
impossible to like have a good in your performance.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Do you ever get annoyed that you are such a
nice guy whenever you're all so normal, Like you're like,
I see you're normal to me, You're you're just a
bro a dude, right, But you're also a really nice guy.
But it's you've done a great job at not sticking

(13:17):
yourself into i won't even say controversial, but conflictual situations
that happens in the town all the time. And it
doesn't matter who you are, you haven't you feel a
certain way about things. And I feel a certain way
about things that I don't get in the mix either
sometimes for because I feel like sometimes I only have

(13:37):
so many mixes I want to get in and I
don't want to get in all of them, because then
I'm just the guy in all the mixes for sure?
Is that?

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Does it ever feel problematic to you that you're like, man,
I just really want to say something about this, but
I'm just not going to because I'm gonna waste it here.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, dude, I mean my wife and I have conversations
about it all the time. Like I mean, not even
just within our within our genre, but just in the
world as a whole. It's like there's things that have
and You're like, man, what you know what I mean?
But sometimes I just sit there and I go, am,
I is me adding like my opinion to an already
noisy world? Is it really making a difference? You know

(14:12):
what I'm saying, Like me agreeing with so and so
about something, or me disagreeing with so and so about something,
Like do people want that from me? Do people want
me to be a politician? I don't think that they do,
and I don't want to be one. And I just
want to be a dude that sings and is kind.
And there are very few things that I'm like going

(14:35):
to speak out about just because I'm just like, I've
got my own things. But like what does it add
And if it's.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Not one of your primary things, sure it can mean anything.
It could even be I'll take it off anything confrontational,
but I'll just say even charitable.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Sure there's a lot of stuff that.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
My wife and I are involved in, but if I
am talking about twenty seven things constantly, sure nobody knows
any of them. Right, So I really, even though we're
involved in these things, I've really got to pick my
two or three things that are the most important to
me that I want to share it with the world
and focus on those. If you don't focus on them,
there's no focus on anything. And I think even then

(15:13):
you kind of have to be strategic about what you
want others to know about you. And even even dealing
with your daughter, even dealing with I've seen it with
Amy with getting kids from Haiti, Like it doesn't matter
if you're doing something great for somebody, people are still like,

(15:34):
why don't you go to America.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Getting one hundred percent that? Yeah, we don't get that anymore.
But we did. We did a lot in the very beginning.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I would go berserk.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
We did go zerk because it got to a point
where you just wanted to go fight everybody, yep, and
you just can't like, hey, all eight thousand y'all meet
me in the parking lot, and it's like, what is
that going to do? You know what I'm saying In.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
A different way, It's like, so if I'll do things
with animals, and let's say we make a one dollar donation,
like why don't you make a one dollar donation to
kids with cancer?

Speaker 1 (16:05):
And I'm like, it ain't your money. Secondly, what are you.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
It's just it's a very tough place to be in
to be respected and liked. Still also want to have
your voice out there, but to choose what you want
your voice to say. And I just wonder the process
of how you guys decide on what that is.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, dude, I mean me and Laurence still battle it,
you know, because like we are super involved in like
Lauren's organization called loved One. Like that's if both of
us had to ditch everything else in the world and
we only were going to like Instagram post about one thing,
it would be it would be a loved One because
we're both so passionate about that. But I think when
when you are known as a philanthropic person or a

(16:47):
philanthropic couple. I think everybody kind of thinks that they
can kind of like come at you and be like, yo, well,
since you posted about that, could you post about this?
And if you did that fundraiser, can you come play
at this thing? And can you can you do an
acoustic thing for this? And all of a sudden, it's
like you said, when you're talking to everybody, you're talking
to no one, you know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Two quarterbacks, if you have two quarterback, you don't have
a good.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Quarterback for sure. Not that all those things aren't great,
and not that we wouldn't give money to all those things,
but it's like when it comes like what are we
trying to push? What are we trying to represent ourselves
on to the world, It's got to be so kind
of slim, you know what I'm saying. Because I'm one
of those people. Man, I get involved in too much stuff.
Like I'm sure I don't know if you're the same way,

(17:29):
But like, I love like collaborating, I love making music
with other people, And if it were up to me,
I'd put a new song out with somebody different every Friday,
just because I think it's so fun. But at the
end of the day, it's kind of like you got
to you kind of got to wait on your big
push and your big play, because I think you can
definitely water down your market by just always just throwing

(17:52):
something new and something different at them all the time.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Has your thoughts and philosophy on how much music and
how often to release music changed over the last three years.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, yes, but I feel like I'm not following the
trend in the way that I should.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
What's the trend in? How do you follow it differently
than the trend?

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Man. I've put a record out every other year since
I was twenty one years old, you know, and I
think like the last couple of records, as proud of
them as I am, I feel like there have been
moments where it's been like, we just need to keep
writing because we've got to keep keeping up. And then
you put a record out and there might have been
like a song that did a thing, but the rest
of the record like wasn't really ready, you know what

(18:36):
I'm saying. And so I've been working on a new
record for the last six months and I don't have
a date yet. You know what I'm saying, and I
think for a lot of people on the team, it's
kind of nerve wracking because I've always just had something
in the can to be able to come with if
we needed to. But dude, I'm just like, for the
first time in my life, I'm just watching so much
music come out all the time, and it's so like

(18:57):
I can barely get to through the whole new music
Friday Country, much less.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Friday Music Friday. Right, yeah, maybe a Friday.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Country, you know what I mean. Like, I get maybe
through the first ten of them, and then I'm like, man,
I don't even I don't even know what's good, you
know what I mean, until the world kind of tells
me what is good. I'm not even sure that I
know what good is anymore. And so I've had to
take a big step back from even the music I've
been writing, like I haven't listened to and this is
rare for me, but like when I'm about to start
making records, man, I'm listening to my demos daily, like

(19:26):
in the car, in the gym on the lake with
my kids, and I haven't listened to a song of
mine in two months because I have to just get
so far away from it that when I come back
to it for the first real time, I want to
be blown away by it rather than like, gosh, I
think this is the next record, but I'm sort of
like already sick of it and it's coming out in
three months, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I would assume that that's already the case with most people,
But like how you're talking about and the way that
you've done it, I could see where that would be
amplified if you're not putting it out like you'd probably
like to do. Like you said, every week it's something else.
It's something else that you could quickly be tired of
that season that you're in right then and beyond to
something else. But you've already started this project and you're still, well,

(20:09):
you created all this in that season.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
You can't just let it go.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, And it would have been easy just to put
it out then, for sure, So I can see where
that does a creative dilemma.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
But I think I'm still I'm still a little bit
of the old school mindset of like, if you have
a good body of work, at least give it a
real chance and give it a real plan. You know what,
I'm saying, like, I feel like I'm not one of
those artists that can just like chunk songs out and
hope that they become famous on TikTok. Like, I just
don't know that I'm one of those artists that can
happen to. Maybe I could have like a viral song,

(20:38):
but like, that's not how I want to release music.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Because you don't know if you're Because I don't agree
with what you're saying about you. I think you don't
think you should do it. But I think you're as
good as anybody else putting music on TikTok. But are
you Because the nature of that is you got to
put a bunch of it that doesn't work for sure. And
so is that part of it too, where you don't
want to put a bunch of stuff that you know,
just a numbers game. If you put out five things,

(21:03):
three and a half or four of them is not
gonna work for sure.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
It's weird. Man. Yeah, I don't know. I don't have
an answer.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Hank Ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back and
we're back on the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
TikTok's cool to me again for music because it's really
what I use it for now. I've used TikTok for
a lot of different things. Through again, I'll use the
word seasons where it's like funny stuff and then it's
like a lot of golf videos. But now I watch
and find a lot of great music that I listened
to personally. For example, So there's one girl woman, her

(21:47):
name is Jackie Vincent. She's from Austin and she's a
blues player and she's so good and it's rare. I'm
so jaded. You're jaded too, in the way I would
just get to be around great people. It's a beautiful jadedness.
See so much greatness all the time. You really got
to be different to stand down.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Stand out.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
And I like saw it and I was like, oh
my god, Like rarely do I hear or see anything
where you're just like it just feels different for sure,
And so I started following her. And the cool thing
about algorithm, Well, the bad thing is they know everything
you're doing, and they monitor you and big brothers watching
in China's god as all that stuff that doesn't matter.
But the good thing is they like, know what kind

(22:24):
of music you like?

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Last night I'm on and there used to be a
group called Carmen and it was two people, my dear
and mccarmen. It was a guy and the girl. Okay,
so he was They were a singer and rapper and
it was like the two thousands. And I saw this
girl and her name was like Queen something, and she's
speed wrapping like bust rhymes, and I'm like, I think
that's the woman from Karmen. So I went into it

(22:47):
and it was her, but without TikTok and me just
flipping through and finding this for sure, I just don't
know if I wouldn't be completely bored with music again
at this point because being so jaded by it. What
if you were get on your TikTok? What what do
you see on yours? Because of what you're looking at?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Can I be very honest with you?

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, I'd rather not lie unless it's a really good lie.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
I haven't been on social media since January.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Oh that's great. That's even weirder and better than what
you would have said. Yeah, why because I'd rather go
down that road.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah. It was getting to a point where, I mean,
it sounds super cliche to say it, but it was
just taking up so much of my time, you know
what I mean. And I was finding so much of
my worth in a post, and like, especially since all
the algorithm stuff changed, you started to get you started

(23:35):
to be like man, like I used to post videos
and they'd get like a million views, no doubt. And
then you start to see this thing of like, Okay,
my views are starting to go down. Does that mean
that I am starting to suck more? You know what
I'm saying, Like, that's what That's what my brain would
tell me.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
That's what I think. That's I think it's probably everybody
a creative. I think that is absolutely fair.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
And so you know, then you would like put songs
out and then some people would think they were really cool,
and then some people would just hate on them. And
then you start to see all the people in our
genre that the bloggers just be like this, this is
trash Thomas Repp music, this is not what he's best
at all these kind of things, and so then you
start making music out of fear. You start produce. One

(24:15):
of my producers named Julian said, you can't work out
of hit desperation, you have to work out of hit inspiration.
And I think for a while there dude, I was
working out of hit desperation because I was so terrified
of what this genre would think about what I thought
was cool that it got to a point where I

(24:35):
just wanted to write what I think they think would
be cool.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
It's a lot of predicting going on, a.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Lot of predicting of being like, well, maybe if I
write songs that sort of feel like a loop comes thing,
then these people will kind of think. I'm like, okay again,
you know what I'm saying. And maybe if I can
do some of this stuff that like Morgan is doing,
then maybe this group will think that I maybe I
can fit into that group. But I didn't like get
here by ever fitting into a grip.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
You actually did the opposite.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I did the complete opposite, and so I started to
really not be myself anymore, just kind of lamed right
with honestly just vanilla straight down the middle stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Okay, what was the bottom for you that made you go?
I got to get up. I have to because something
had to happen for you to go. I got to
make a change in my life.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, dude, it was. It was. It was around Christmas
time last year, and like I kind of go into
weird places when I'm off the road, because it feels
like a therapy. Are all your podcasts like therapy sessions, Like.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Hey buddy, I am who am?

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Okay? I go to a lot of therapy myself, maybe
the same. But when I'm off the road is a
really challenging time for me because when you're on the road,
you're getting three straight nights of like dopamine.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Celebrations, Yes, love, how are you?

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yes? Yes? And then you come home and I love
my children and I love my wife. It is the
complete opposite. It's like retractable dopamine, if that makes any sense.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I mean, I will leave a stage being told I'm
the funniest person in the whole world by a couple
thousand people are and then my wife's like, you did
not take out the trash, and she loved me more
than they ever will for sure. But you're right that
dopem it is not and you you just feel it's
a different kind of loneliness, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, so you know I was off the road. I've
been off the road for like two or three months
and just constantly in my freaking phone, you know what
I mean. Like my kids are like literally asking me
questions upon question, and I'm literally just I can't. I'm
not even hearing them because I'm just here. And so yeah,
it was like January first. It was like one of

(26:31):
my like New Year's you know, resolution type things that
I thought would last for like two weeks because I've
never really fully quit social media, and then yeah, January, man,
I haven't. I haven't even seen an app since January.
So I hired a team. I mean, everything that we
post is from me. It's just that I'm not physically
on scrolling looking at the comments doing the stuff.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Why I got a message from you to day, I
send you a much Apple gift cards because you said
I needed to send you that. Gosh, you were like
any Apple gift cards and bitcoin, so I sent you.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Said yeah, yeah, so you should have that. That wasn't you.
That was the son of a gun.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I got scammed again. Good self awareness. I think we
all know. I have a friend. You know him too.
He's one of my best friends. I won't say his
name here, but he locks his apps up. He has
a it's not Dirk's, but Dirk's also does this, but
he goes to a flip phone at different times during

(27:29):
the month when he's starting to feel a little anxious,
and then when he's not and he's on his smartphone,
there is an app. Oh, I don't care, Hey, get
on it's it's Twitter.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Twitter. Yeah, it's a Twitter notification.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Don't forget to me. He has an app that locks
all of his social media up at like five pm
and you can't get off. You can't get on it
unless you have the code. The only person has his
code's manager, gotcha, And so he is. I would like
delete it off my phone every day and then just
re download it. I would do that and then just
then get on the internet on my computer. Yeah, and

(28:06):
then do like the browser version. I'd be like, well,
I'm kind of you. You know, I have a weird
relationship with social media, but I think that self awareness
is like, that's extremely valuable that you found that. Do
you think you'll ever go back?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Probably at some point in time. And I've quit a
couple of things this year that I mean, I quit
nicotine this year, which I have. I love nicotine so much.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Never had it. What's good about it? Get me started? Like,
sell me on it?

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I don't know. I mean I started dipping when I
was like, you know, eighteen years old, Grisley winter Green.
And then when I turned like twenty eight, I started
using this stuff called zen is that in the pack?
So yeah, it's like it's like just nicotine and mint,
and like it kind of just became I'm trying to
quit things that are crutches for me, you know what
I'm saying. Like social media was a crutch. It was

(28:53):
the place where I went where I needed validation, but
then it was the place that I hated when it
didn't validate me, you know what I'm saying. Polar And
so nicotine was kind of like like that crutch for me.
It was just like when I felt nervous, nicotine, when
I felt weird nicotine, when I felt happy nicotine. It
was like always just a thing. And so I mean,
I haven't been off of it that long, but it's

(29:13):
been been three weeks, which is the longest ever gone.
So I think I'm gonna start after that. In the
in the year of quitting nervous, that's a long time.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
So uh So, if you're not dipping, this is gonna
be a dumb question because I never did what about
supplemented it with no And that's a different thing because
I have an addiction. I have a big addict in personality. Same,
But what's so bad about just nicotine if a lot
of the stuff that's in cigarettes or a lot of
the cancer, Because just nicotine.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Itself is correct, So what's so there's actually like a
couple of good benefits of nicotine apparently from podcasts I've
listened to. I don't know how much this is right.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
And I'm not saying kids should you shouldn't dip, correct,
you shouldn't smoke, And I'm not talking about all the
other things inside of it. Yeah, but I'm just curious
because caffeine and nicotine, I just alone.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, what the heck's the difference?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Really, I don't feel like either one of them are
giving you.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
They can do different things to your brain. So here's
here's what I'll say. So, when I was using nicotine,
my like resting heart rate would be like up in
the mid seventies, which is pretty high. The week I
quit using zen, my resting heart rate was like forty nine.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
It was that drastic.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
That's a that's signific that's a big jump. And so
then you mix nicotine and caffeine, you're looking at like eighty,
you know what I'm saying. So, I mean, I'm young,
and I'm probably work out. Dude, just having Nickety in
and caffeine and chill got to day. Yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Did you Cardier?

Speaker 1 (30:36):
But yeah, dude, I think it was just it was
one of those it was such a comfort blanket, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like it got to the
point where it's like if I would, like, if I
didn't have a can, I would go rummage through all
my old camouflage from duck hunting season just to see
if there was a freaking can. It felt like I
felt like a drug addict in a way. Did you
well that?

Speaker 2 (30:52):
And that's an addiction trade?

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Did you go through with draws at all?

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Not as much as I thought I would, because everybody
told me they were like, man, you just need to
kind of switch to a different like cause there's three milligram,
six milligram, all these things. And so I'm not one
of those people that can just kind of tailor off
of things. Like you said, hey, only get on Instagram
one day a week. I'd be like, that's never going
to work.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I don't do moderation either, me either, So I.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Went freaking cold Turkey and for like, you know, five days,
it really sucked because you kind of start to after coffee,
oh this is a good time, after a meal, this
is a fun time. Oh during golf, this is a
great time. And then you start to kind of figure
out that it's every part of your day where you
wanted one. And so I think I'm okay now, Like
there's definitely mult some times where I'm like, man, I

(31:34):
would love to have a zin right now, but just
not trying to get in the habit of telling myself
no this year so.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
And now the addiction part to me. I come from
a family of addicts, and it's why I don't.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
I never had to drink because I know that I'll
love it. I wish, Oh man, I'd love to just
freaking go crazy. I'd love to do heroin. I'd love
to do it all. But I know I can't do
any of it because with that we talk about the awareness.
It's like you not on social media now, I have
hopefully the awareness of I can't because I know what
out but I have to put other things in that place. Yeah,

(32:09):
it's either it's going to be work, Yeah, it's going
to be golf, right, There's going to be an addiction
of some sort. My goal is to have a healthier
addiction because I know there's going to be something there
for sure. So what are you doing? What are you
doing now to fill that time and to feel that need?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
It is? Yeah, dude, But I mean yeah, I feel
like you and I are very similar because I'm I'm
a pretty phazy person. I don't know if you are.
But like every couple of years, there's something new that
I feel like I have to master, you know what
I'm saying. Like I remember five years ago it was
like fly fishing. Like I'm one of those people that

(32:46):
will I will go get all the best gear, I
will follow all the fly fishing accounts. I will buy
the book one Hundred Places of fly Fish Before you
Die and try to hit all of them. And then
it's like, once I get to a point where I
feel like I've done a good enough job, it kind
of just gets pushed to the side. Does it make

(33:06):
sense I.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Did it with poker? Yeah, we could walk down this together.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
But yes, I love to get to a point where
I've mastered it enough for my brain to be satisfied that, Hey,
I conquered that, and for me, let's move on and
let's do something else.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
It's good that you can even say that your brain
gets somewhat satisfied with stuff, because I think my brain,
instead of being satisfied, it goes, I'm not satisfied at
sucking at something else now, Yeah, because I don't know
if I just have the capacity to be satisy. I
think you're a bit healthier than I am, and that
webit a lot there are, right, So it's like I

(33:42):
don't have the satisfaction. I can't. I don't do that. Well,
what I do is I'll go, Okay, I got really
good at freaking playing poker and I'm still enjoying it.
But I need to find something else that I need
that I suck at and.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Like build and grow.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
I need to grow all the time to prove to
myf I'm not a freaking loser. Yeah, you know that.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
That's always that's yeah. Do you do you feel that.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Way with music at all? Where it's like I have
got to take a step and I gotta do I
gotta grow in some way?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Or is it I've grown or is it I've just
changed who I am, and I'm just gonna make music
based on the person that I am. Now, Like, do
you ever learn a new instrument at this point?

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I mean, do you ever pick up? You ever try
to sing a new way? Yeah? I mean I yeah,
like a vocal.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Lesson even but I started.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
I started doing vocal lessons for four or five years ago,
and my voice is more powerful today and I can
hit different notes than I could five years ago.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Because you want to and learn something that you're already
doing at a high level. Correct, that's crazy to think about,
Like it is wild. You're already doing it at a
level higher than ninety nine point and do all the
nines percent of the entire population of the world. Yet
you go, I'm going to go and learn it more. Yeah,
that's a bit psychotic, even, Yeah, in a great way.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
I do that. I do it mostly with our show.
With our show, right, Like it's really hard for me
to play the same show year.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
After year, live show. You're talking live show.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
And so even if it's to a point where someone
might get a little bit frustrated that Die Happy Managers
doesn't feel like the record, I feel like I owe
it to a fan base to at least let them
know that I put a boatload of thought into the show,
into the set list and the production, into even the
way that I speak, in the way that and the
stories that I decided to share with the crowd, Like
I don't want anybody showing up to Indianapolis for the

(35:33):
third time to see me and be like, it's the
same show I saw last year. You know what I'm saying.
But it does get challenging because my band and I
talk about this all the time, right, Like that was
one thing about Taylor's show, Like Taylor does have a
lot of hits, but she played a lot of songs
that were not hits. And that takes serious courage to me,
because dude, I walk out there. We have like two

(35:54):
songs in our ninety five minute show that weren't hits too,
And every single night my heart starts race before I
play them, because I go, does anyone care about this
song that I loved on record? Too? Like it's just
wasting the crowd's time.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Do you start to look at them as who's walking
out or who's getting a beer? Or oh yeah, And
even though it's probably the same amount of exact amount
of people, Then when you're doing one of your heads.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
You're just noticing, you just notice it different.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Just then for sure you're purposefully going let me find
people that don't like me. It's like social media.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, that is a I used to have a real
I used to have a very unhealthy relationship with crowd
because it's easy for me to look in the crowd
and know who is who really wanted to come for me.
Like I say it in our show every night, I'm like,
hey to all the dudes that came tonight because their
girlfriends or their wives begged them to be here, I
just want to say thank you. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I want to make sure that they feel known and seen,

(36:46):
and I know that they are here against their will,
but my goal is for them to leave being like
that was actually really fun. Yeah you know what I'm saying.
That's all I want. It's for people to walk away
with a smile on their face and enjoy their art.
That's our main mission statement before we take the stage,
just put smiles in people's faces. But dude, I used
to five years ago. Man. I remember my wife looked

(37:08):
at me after a show and she's like, you feel
better about yourself, because I used to find the one
dude in every crowd that just hated life, you know
what I'm saying, And I would call him out, you
know what I mean? Like I would I would like
get my guitar and I'd be like, hey, dude, you
want to you should come up here and sing with me.
And I'd get him up on stage and I'd be like,

(37:29):
you look like you really love country music. He's like, yeah,
I do. And I'm like, man, let's sing some classics together,
you know what I mean. And this sounds horrible because
it is horrible, But I would go play like an
old Merle Haggard song and I'd be like Memories and
drank Storm mixed too well, and I'd hatem a microphone
and he wouldn't know the words, and it made me
feel so good that I knew more classic country than

(37:52):
that dude. Did you know what I'm saying? Because my
show is very very pop and eccentric and pop country
and all the things in day.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Which you're probably going, Oh, he thinks I'm too pop,
So I'm going to show him how absolute country. He's
not as country as I am, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
So I remember walking off stage dude, just feeling like
the biggest turd, you know what I'm saying. And my
wife looked at man for the show and she was like,
do you feel better about yourself? And I said, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
She was saying it in that way, in the way yeah,
you know.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
What I mean. Yeah, And so it's like I've grown
so much in the last five years now, I just
kind of I just kind of take it for what
it is. And I know the people that love coming
to my shows and know the people that would rather
not be there and rather be somewhere else. But I'm
just trying to make it entertaining and fun for for everybody.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Man, So I think that if you have any like
I'm a neurotic about that thing. I feel like. I
posted a video today of my because I'm touring this
comedy show. Now we're going to do a special and
so I'm a little nervous about what goes where. And
I posted a video today with the guy and he
was like, I didn't really want to come. My wife
dragged me here. Yeah, But I didn't know that until

(38:55):
we were doing this thing on stage together. And so
I would always see the people that didn't want to
be there and go I'm gonna impress them for sure,
which wasn't healthy because I should just do what I
do because obviously people came to see me do what
I do, not stretch myself in ways that maybe uncomfortable
and not good for the show.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I was talking with Kip Moore, who was doing a
theater show.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
We were talking.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
We were talking about that specifically, like people in the crowd,
and I told Kip I said, hey, I just stare
at foreheads now because I don't. I'm too insecure to
look at faces and smiles and eyes. I look at foreheads.
And once I talked to a guy after a show
who was just mean mugging the whole time, just like

(39:57):
you know, you know you've seen him just not having
a good time. Yeah, And I only talked to him
because he came up because I was signing much stuff
and he came up and this is the same dude
whose mean mugg and he was like that was so
much fun. And I like, really, I said, you were
sitting so cause you never smiled. He was like, no,
that's just how I sit. I'm just not out.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
I'm just not an outward laugher bro. So that's and
I feel like hopefully we have come to the same conclusion.
It's like people show that they're pumped in very different ways.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
We put our expectations. Yeah, how we would act on
them exactly that way toward us.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Right Like if I go to Berna Mars concert, I'm
freaking going to town like I'm dancing, I'm jumping, and
I expect people that if they're having a good time,
to do the same thing. But this is not how
it works. And I think for so long I was
kind of like, man, like, listen up, you know what
I mean. Like, I remember there was a dude on
the front row one time in a and I reme.

(40:49):
I remember I was wearing this hat that said Matthews
on the back and it's the type of compound bow
that I shoot, and he was wearing a hat with
the same exact logo on it, and dude, it was
like song seven and the lights went dark, and I
literally I told the bands to hold up, and I
went down on the subway and I looked at that
guy and I said, are you okay? There's like ten

(41:11):
thousand people in the room. I said, are you a height?
I said, because you look like you're having the worst
time in your life. And he goes, bro, this is
the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life.
And I was just telling my wife about how me
and you probably shoot the same bow. I was like,
I was like great, and I high fight to him
and we started the thing. And it was at that
moment where I was like, man, people just show their

(41:34):
fun in a different way. And it started to happen
a lot when we started traveling internationally. I don't know
if you've heard saying that.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
I bet that culture. I just all different cultures do
it all to do.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's like Western Canada is different than East Coast Canada,
you know what I'm saying. The northeast of the USA
is different than the southeast of the USA. London shows
their appreciations super different than Glasgow or Belfast, you know
what I'm saying. It's like you kind of start to
get this cultural little thing where you go, Okay, we're

(42:03):
in this part of the world and we understand that
they just kind of clap here, you know what I'm saying.
Like we were in Texas this weekend and there's a
lot of people that were pretty rowdy in Texas, but
a lot of people like to sit in Texas. That
doesn't mean they're having a bad time. It just means
that that's how they watch concerts. And so at some
point you kind of got to be like, hey, we're
going to do it. We do best regardless of what

(42:24):
is happening out there, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
It was a hard place for me to get to,
just I just got to do me regardless of for
sure what they're doing, because I was being so selfish
thinking that they didn't give me what I would give
in this same situation, that they're wrong and they must
hate me, But that's only because I think that what
I do is the right way to act. Can you
feel good? And so I needed that lesson and I learned.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
And even with ticket sales and stuff like you're talking
about being selfish with a crowd, it's like, it's always
amazed me how you could do a three night run
in all three towns are within let's say, five hundred
miles of each other, you know what I'm saying. And
you sell out the Thursday night and you sell out
the Saturday night, but the Friday night was the worst

(43:10):
selling show of the weekend. And you sit in there
and you go, what is it about this town that's
right in the dead center of two sellouts, but on
this one in particular, we had to close this section
and close that section to make sure that we put
the people in there that needed to be in there.
And you kind of go, well, you know, we walk
on stage and you're like, no, that doesn't not give

(43:30):
you a pass to go put on a less awesome.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Chef strug ice Trug.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
But you walk out there and you go, well, there's
only like it's not sold out, so like, I'm just
going to give like seventy percent of myself. But that
is the most selfish thing in the world you could
ever do to the people that did show up because
they wanted to be there. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
I mean, you're talking out of my brain because I
feel I am. I feel like I'm a loser, right
and I didn't sell out, and I focus only on
the empty seats, correct, And I think I've gotten better,
but only because I was so selfish and such a
loser about it for so long. And my wife, My
wife has been a great source of slapping me straight

(44:11):
a lot of times, right, because no one ever slapped
me much. Let's slap me straight, right, Because once you
get to a point, it's not like we have a
lot of people around us that are just like yeah, no, no, no,
we have to we have to at a certain point
start to find the people we trust for sure that
can give us a bit of pushback. When you eat it,
that's right, and it doesn't feel good, and it's and
it is so counterintuitive to pursue something that doesn't feel good.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
So, but my wife would go, hey, uh, you know
the people here that have filled up like eighty five
percent of this theater, they're not looking around going I
wonder how many empty seats there are.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Well, he really, he.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Must just not be as good as he goes. They
spent the same amount of money to each single person.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I know it, man. And and she's right. Yeah, my
wife says the same thing, dude, like I've called her
for ten years. Hey, it's not sold out tonight. She said, Honey,
how many times have you told me this? You know
what I'm saying, Just get out there and do what
you do best.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Because the people that bought a ticket came to see
you and they don't know, so go give.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Them a great show like we played. We were in
Chicago last weekend and sold out to the United Center.
That's always been a dream of mine to sell that
place out. Jordan's house and there was we had a
lot of people hanging after the show, and this one
girl said, I'm so glad you played at the United
Center because it's so much bigger than Wrigley, And I

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was like, no, it's not. Wriggley is triple the size
of this place. But when you start to really see,
like how people judge, people think that arenas are stadiums
and amptheaters are smaller than arenas. And it's just like
we we know because we see the piece of paper.
It's granulate that looks at the freaking ticket Master chart

(45:56):
and goes, okay, there's fifteen hundred open seats.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
And there's a percentage of this price.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Nobody, nobody knows, well, they do now, but nobody knows
or cares. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.
Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I always have a guilt to the this is so stupid.
I've never even says before I have a guilt to
the promoter even at times, dude the same or I'm like, hey,
I feel bad, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, I've never said that out loud before, but I
have a if a show does not do what my
expectation was and I'm just like, I'm I'm really sorry
about it.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, dude. And that's where like comparison probably the biggest
reason I got off Instagram. Like, I love everybody in
this genre. It is nothing but love. But when you
watch other people do something better than you, you watch
somebody do three nights in an arena and you barely
sold out the first one, you kind of go, what
do we do wrong? You know what I'm saying, Like,

(47:06):
what do I gotta do to sell out two nights
at this place? It just may not ever be in
the cards for you, you know what I'm saying. And
also the three.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Nights that they did at the arena, we're only seeing
the shots of all.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
The full parts. Correct, correct, but you know what I'm saying,
It's like, for sure, I feel like there's a new
record broken every day.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Oh with everything, with everything streams on a Friday, from
a record that's been a number it's yess.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
And the emails we get from our publishers and and
all these things, and it's just like, man, I must
just be are we are we doing okay?

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Well, it's a fight to differentiate too, like everybody is
finding their way to show that they do what we're
talking about, that we deserve to be here correct, and
we're all extremely insecure correct or would even be doing
this correct? Like why are we trying to find love
from creat creating something?

Speaker 1 (48:00):
You know?

Speaker 2 (48:00):
And yeah, it is a it is a constant. The
last thing about this that I'll mentioned is just to
ask if you do it, because this is if it
makes me? People not so crazy. Honestly, before a tour
like this last tour, I did like seven shows just
here last year. Yeah, and then I was like, you know,
I'm gonna take this show on the road. And so
tour's about to go on and I already look at
tickets like crazy, I'm again so neurotic. But before they

(48:24):
go on sale, I go, man, at this one, this
could be the one where it just kind of all
doesn't go right anymore and I might have regressed. And
that's and I started to get my feelings hurt before
it's even time, before there's any even any data.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Bro, we are the same human being.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
It's just like, maybe this is this might be when
I have to end it, Kate little come and go.
The tickets aren't even on sale yet. Why are you
already down? And I'm like, because I probably am. People
aren't gonna buys many this time.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah, and so.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I get my spiral when there's no there's no need
to even start spiraling for sure?

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Do you do that?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (48:56):
You do? I mean bro, Like yeah, even before this tour,
like the day that this tour went on sale, the
first thing I want to do is call my manager
and be like, hey, where are the spots we need
to work on. I'm not focused on the fact that
we blew six out the first day that went on sale,
you know what I'm saying. Like we saw about in Minneapolis,

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like within thirty minutes the day that they went on sale.
But I sit there and I go, what's wrong? What's
wrong with that one? And you know, how can I
do we have any time for me to go up
there and do like a bunch of interviews, you know, before,
so that more people know about it. And at the
end of the day, dude, it's like people are coming
or they're not, you know what I'm saying. And at
some point you got to trust your team. I'm telling

(49:39):
this to myself. You got to trust Live Nation, and
you got to trust your managers that they go, hey,
we haven't even done our big push yet, not a
lot of marketing has gone into this. And you also
have to know that Instagram now, if you want people
to see your stuff, you got to pay Instagram a
thousand bucks or whatever it is. And so you got
to be mindful of, like how much marketing money are
we spending to make sure that all of my whatever

(50:02):
five me and followers are seeing this and all that
kind of stuff. And so, yeah, I never focus on
the good stuff. It is one of the things that
I'm trying to do so much more this year of
just being like, man, we just sold this freaking place
out and it was awesome, instead of just being like, yeah,
I know, we saw that one out, but you know,
next weekend we got Charlottesville, Virginia, and there's you know,

(50:24):
we've only sold like four thousand tickets, and so you know,
I think we're just like looking for someone to tell
us that it's gonna be okay. You know what I'm saying,
At least for me, I complain about my voice Monday
through Saturday. I'm like, it ain't gonn work tonight. Man,
it ain't gonna work.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Do you feel?

Speaker 1 (50:39):
And I'm looking for somebody to be like t R
this is the seventh millionth time you said your voice
isn't gonna work, and you get out there and you
kill it. I'm just looking for that weird.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
About getting sick? Do what are you weird about getting sick? Like? Ah,
I might be getting sick a couple of days before
it does that.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
No, I just know my body, and I know that
I'm always one hundred percent on Thursday nights, ninety percent
on Friday nights, and it's lucky if I'm seventy five
on Saturday night. She's how my voice works. And so
then you start to go, well, I'm thirty three years old.
Maybe it's just not working like it did when I
was twenty five or whatever, and it's like, no, dude,
your voice is fun. You just got to get this

(51:15):
to be better, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (51:17):
And then you hear Ronnie Dunn saying still like seventy,
I know, and you're.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Like, you know he took care of his voice.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
It doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
And god, dang, I know what do you do?

Speaker 2 (51:28):
If that's fun?

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Then what do I do that's fun?

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah? What's fun? Just's what comes to your mind when
I say what's fun? Golf?

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Golf is really fun. But I but I even make golf.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
I was about to say, are you like me where
you say it's.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Interesting that you ask me what's fun because it's hard
for me to think of anything that's fun.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Same, do we suck? I don't even like. I don't.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Everyone's like, where do you like to go on vacation
or what do you like to do for fun? And
I don't know? Right, And I love golf until but
then I if it doesn't go exactly right or it
doesn't going away, then I hate it. I'm miserable.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
It makes me miserable. I haven't played. I didn't play
golf for like three years, mainly because I have so
many kids and it's impossible to like get out and
go do it. But this year a buddy of mine
invited me to play in this tournament in September, and
I was like, well, what's the tournament? Told me about
this stuff, and he was like, yeah, but you have
to be a single digit handicap to play in it.
And I was like, okay, Like I'm like a fourteen

(52:24):
or fifteen maybe. I mean, if I really work out it,
I can probably get down to a nine. And now
here it is in August and I've done nothing but grind, grind, grind,
And I've played probably twenty rounds of golf and I've
entered them all in my freaking gin handicap system. And
I shot an eighty eight at wing Foot, which is
one of the hardest courses in New York, and it
only took my handicap down by point one. And I'm

(52:45):
sitting there going this sucks. Like golf is supposed to
be a blast with your friends, and if I shank
one in the woods, I'm the worst person to be
around because I'm sitting there going that lesson I took
last week. It worked last week, but I ain't working
this week. Do you get in your head pre pre
so much so that it affects posts correct and so
like this tournament is like literally happening in three weeks,

(53:08):
and it's like I'm playing with a bunch of people
that are sick golfers, like pros and athletes and people
that are plus twos and plus threes, and I'm just
sitting here nervous out of my mind because I'm like,
if I get paired with somebody that's a two and
they're looking at me as a nine, that goes, hey, man,
I know that you're not going to help us out
a lot, but I need you to burdy like three

(53:30):
or four holes. That's all I'm gonna think about of, Like,
am I going to help my team? And if I don't,
you've pre spiraled. Again, you pre spiral.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
You've just did what I just there's no reason for
you to do that yet. And there is a reason
to spiral at times, for sure, because that's a defense mechanism.
But again, you're spiraling. And I say this out of
love and understanding. You're spiraling when you don't need to
freak inspiral because you're not even time to spiral yet.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
It might be time to spiral eventually. Correct, But that's
but you pre spiraling is actually going to lead you
to spiraling.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
That's right, that's right. But I have to have these
conversations too.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
That'say, okay, this is not good for me to go
crazy right now because it's actually going to make me
less effective correct later. It's like I have to have
a dialogue with myself, which is actually a monologue, but
I'm so crazy. It felt like two people talking to
each other.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
My brother in law is my photographer on the road,
and last weekend he looked at me because it was
like a fifth Saturday in a row that I was like, dude,
I don't know if I can do it, man, you know,
and he was like, tr I feel like you create
a black hole and then you just step into it.
And like that rocked me. Like coming from like my
brother in law, who's like one of my best buzz

(54:32):
in the world, is like, dude, if there is something
that hasn't even gone wrong, you will create something that
will go wrong and you will latch onto that for
the rest of the day. It is my biggest faults
as a human and probably, you know, more than likely
the biggest reason that me and Lauren ever get into
arguments is like Christmas or Thanksgiving or a trip to

(54:52):
Disney World. I'm sitting there going Disney World, so like,
you know, are we gonna the kids gonna take naps
during the day, or like are we just going to
to crush through or like we're trying to do four
parks we do in three And she's like, well, you
just can we just go and do Disney and have
fun as a family. I'm like, yeah, but I kind
of needn't know, like when I'm going to need to
stress out, here's dur in the day, here's the beauty.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Though, that same we're going to come back to this,
that same thing that drives us crazy is also what
drives us into really positive places. Sure, what allows us
to have success, but to also use that success to
things that we talked about at the beginning of this interview,
that allows us to make small changes in our little
pockets of the world that we feel so as much
as we're trying to improve that part of us, we

(55:35):
have to also be thankful. I'll just say me you can.
But I think it that those same traits allow us
to succeed in the places as well. We just don't
focus on them because we don't focus on the good
things for sure, which is exactly what we're talking about here.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
But yeah, it is. I don't think I realized that
we were this much alike. I've known you for a
long time.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
I just think it's a yes, and we're it's just
anybody creating. Yeah, it's so vulnerable all the time. You
don't want to act vulnerable, especially if you have some success,
because you're like.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Why would I be.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
I'm killing it, that's a rock and roll let's go.
But really you're just as insecure as you ever were. Yeah,
maybe even more.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
So, maybe more so.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
I used to think people be like, when when were
you your happy, happiest, and now the same with you.
In my career, I'm in the audio part radio podcasting,
like I'm killing it, just killing it.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
It's the best.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
I'm making so much money. I get to do whatever
I want. And they're like, is this the happiest And
I'm like, you know, I'm happiest because I have a
great wife. But I think I was like healthier, happier
when I was the beginning of the struggle.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Same. The happiest time of my career was when I
had nothing to lose. That's I would album one. Yeah,
you kind of just get to do whatever you feel
like you want to do. There's you got any fans anyway,
So you ain't got any fans to lose. Is nobody
disappoint Nobody disappoint. You just get to come on fresh.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
And that's so unhealthy of us, Yeah, because we're at
such great places in our.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Life for sure, yet for sure, and so many were
fans of our.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Work, and I just am like, you know, I was
the happiest when I was playing Kinkerpey Junior. Could barely
afford a PS two and would you struggle to get
to work with gas money? But I was like there
was everything was in front of.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Me, joyful in the ground. Yeah, you know, and I
should be.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
And I'm getting better at it at this version, getting
better only because I'm aware.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Awareness is the first step to all of that.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Oh man, I feel like I just I should. I
should pay you some money here for like, I feel
like I should therapy session here. What kind of clubs
do you play?

Speaker 1 (57:45):
You titlists?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
You don't have to do you play, you have a
deal with them.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
I've met a few of their reps, and they've always
taken care of me. Pretty awesome. Yeah, but I think
I'm hitting way too aggressive, Like I've hit blades. I'm
hitting blades like the T one hundreds. You could probably
spare to hit the T three hundreds this point.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
So because you think you're not precise enough in your aggression.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Yeah, dude, Like, I mean, I've I have gotten a
lot better. I have gotten down to a single. Well,
I've gotten down to a ten, which is not a single,
but that's more than I thought I was gonna be
able to get down to. I'm so unpredictable off the
tee with my driver. Is that your weakest area? Probably
my weakest area. Yeah, I'm a short game and putting it.
Putting is not bad, and I can get onto a green,
but if I, like am constantly hitting from the woods

(58:30):
or having to drop off my T shot, you just
can't score over I can't score.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
I'm a twelve. Yeah, and I really haven't got to
play a lot consistently. That's a couple of weeks of flake.
I'm gonna go play this tournament. Yeah, And I just
feel like I just got to get the reps in
to at least feel confident there, because you know, confidence
is such a big part of it.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Yeah, but then you walk out there and you're you know,
you're you're no longer in the cave, like hitting the
track most anyway in front of like a thousand people.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Nerves getting golf. I get in golf. I played Pebble
Beach last year and Jim Nance's call. I hear him
calling me calling my shot as I'm up there and
I'm hitting and their people everywhere, and I'm freaking I'm
so freaking tight.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Do you shank it or you drill? I drilled it? Yeah? Yeah,
Oh yes, it's like eight feet that wasn't under pressure? Yeah? No,
not always. My point is I get so nervous, yeah
doing that?

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Yeah, although what do you mean do live TV five
million people watching. I don't only get nervous.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I'm prepared. Same, I'm prepared. I've been training forever.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Radio five million people in the morning, like, no problem.
Maybe do comedy two thousand and three people live. I'm
putting jokes out there. Maybe they'll laugh.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
All good.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Yeah, I've been through it. I've been through it good
and bad. I know the worst than the best. It
can be. You put me on a freaking tea if
I'm just playing through and there's four people watching me.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Bro it's I think it's because we feel like, in
a way we have mastered our craft, and we're confident
to do it in front of anybody in the world.
We have not mastered the craft of golf. We have
so you step up there like and you kind of
just go. You know this, this app tells you that I

(01:00:02):
have shot a couple of eighty two's in my life.
But what you were about to witness could be a
head injury from someone that I'm about to snipe right
off the left side.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Of the face with the ball, like him in the head.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
We're not prepared for that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Yeah, I hit him in the head. I thought I
hit it on the green, but it hit their head
and bounce to the green. It's terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
You hit them on the head.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yeah, I mean they hit it. I was at pebble
and she's standing by the green and it went up
and I thought I hit a rock and rolling on
the green. Hit her on the face. Yeah, hit her
on the face.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Wow. Yeah, it sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
It was awesome at first because I was jumping around
giving very high five and somebody came up and went, hey, so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
You land it on the green because they hit her
face first.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Hit her face and brickers hitt of the green. I
mean it's on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Yeah, that's amazing. No it isn't. I mean in terrible, terrible, terrible,
amazing and terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
What's up with the vinyl?

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
So you have so many for the number ones?

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Now you just were doing a big so young and
that when I read you have twenty number one, you
have twenty number one?

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Yeah, it's weird. It's bizarre. It is weird, man, it's bizarre.
So you have I mean, it's like you should be
fifty five. I know, dude. And like it was kind
of a big conversation because I think there was a
lot like the label really wanted to call this Greatest Hits.
I just felt like being a thirty three year old
coming out with the greatest Hits just looked wrong, you

(01:01:17):
know what I'm saying. So this is more of a
celebration of twenty number one's vinyl, because I do love vinyl,
and I think that vinyl is really cool for a
lot of people these days. It's kind of coming back
in style and kind of a collector's item. And I
feel like my fans have always really loved like kind
of limited run merchandise or hats, and like this is
like super limited run and just seemed like a cool

(01:01:40):
way to kind of say thanks to everybody you know.
But yeah, twenty number one celebration is more of the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Yeah, I mean Eddie and I talked about this. But
when I was considering moving here, living in Austin, and
we were together somewhere and I had my I've had
my phases and seasons of country music growing up age
zero through thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
It was my Grandma on classic country on the radio
thirteen out. Then I got really ind alternate and hip
hop music. But there was a whole, like early two
thousands version of country that I just wasn't here in,
just wasn't involved in it. I'm working on pop radios,
listening to hip hop and rock, and they we were

(01:02:27):
talking about me coming here, and I was only going
to move if it was gonna be like the first
real national It was just a lot of contract stuff.
I said, let me listen to country music. Put it
on flip it on. First song was beer with Jesus
that Eddie and I were together. I was like, I'm
thinking about going over there. Let's and it's you. I

(01:02:48):
can have it. That just feels like one hundred years
ago and yesterday at the same time. I know, was
that your top twenty, your first few songs singles?

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
My second single?

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Yeah, I mean it feels like yesterday, but it also
again it's like ten million years ago because it's just
been through.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
A lot all of us have. Man, yeah, it's it's insane,
man Like I can I me mean, the band laugh
about it a lot. But I remember being just a
new artist being like, man, what would it be like
to have one hit like in our set so that
we didn't have to rely on singing freaking friends and
low places twice? You know, I'm saying, like, how awesome

(01:03:25):
would be to have one hit in your show? And
then you get one and you're like, oh, this is amazing.
But what if we had three? You know what I'm saying.
We could start with a hit, in with a hit
and put one in the middle. That'd be so fire.
Then you get three and you're like, cod but five
and you know where I'm going with this. But it's like,
now you're at twenty almost twenty number ones, twenty one
number ones, and you go, Okay, we have enough now

(01:03:50):
to fill up a ninety minute set of nothing but
number one songs. And as amazing as that sounds. It
really forces you to look at your set and now, go, Okay,
of the twenty number ones, which ones were the game
changers and which ones were the ones that we just
kind of snuck in by a point? Does it make
sense because you play die Happy Man and you play

(01:04:11):
slow on Summer. Slood on Summer was a hit, but
Die Happy Man was a game changer. You play Marry
Me up next to Remember You Young? Remember You Young
was a hit and it was a great song, but
Marry Me was a game changer. And so you kind
of start to go through your career and you go, man, like,
hits are great things to keep your momentum kind of stacked,
but like every now and then, man, you've got to

(01:04:32):
have a big boy, you know what I'm saying. And
so that's kind of where I find myself as a
thirty three year old man doing this now for eleven years,
six albums deep. It can no longer be about here's
a collection of songs that I think are kind of fun,
and there's for sure two radio singles on there, and
this one's kind of weird enough to maybe stream one

(01:04:53):
hundred million times. It can't be that anymore. It's got
to be like, Yo, here's eleven songs that I think
are so different from me. I've never dodged in this territory.
And even if they all suck, at least we took it.
We swung for the fence. You know what I'm saying, Like,
what good is it doing me to just like sit

(01:05:15):
down and write some just like generic country songs.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Well, the only good would be the dope, I mean,
hit you get up, going out. Here's the number one
party for right for tom. But what does it do
greater good for you? Nothing?

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Yeah, So there's a but it's a hard.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
It's hard because I will I will write some of
those tunes and they will probably be on the on
a on a record, and you go, okay, like, here's
the couple that I think are like the big the
big ones. But if they both fail, I've got a
couple that I think will work. That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
It does, and you know, it's chasing the capital G
good and what makes you feel good for sure, And
it's I've just I've tried to make a lot more
capital G good decisions, right, I don't always yeah, because
sometimes I still need to be told I'm worth you know,
sometimes pasionally like you're still be still the man, They're
still You're still killing it, no doubt. I had three
final questions, what's the boot that the COVI thing you're doing?

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Do you have to eat to Coves?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
I don't wear boots.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
I wear boots, but not count I'm from Arkansas. I
grew up with a bunch of cowboy boot people. That's
why I don't wear cowboy hat wear boots because I
just feel like me people are going to know because
I've had some pretty lucrative boot offers, I just it's
not me, so get it. So I appreciate that because
you're probably gon se me like one hundred pair of
diamond studded I'm going to pass on that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
I'm going to send you a pair. I don't have
to wear them, you just to put them on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
The shafts on those so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
So, but but you wear boots, Yeah, I wear boots
every night on stage, and I've worn to Covis for
I don't know the last five years, and they've always
been really cool about just kind of sending me boots
whenever I needed a new pair, and I literally when
I was still on social media. I just hit up
the their Instagram account and I was like, hey, I'm
you know, be really cool if we did a collab together,

(01:06:51):
And then the owner reached back out to me. I
was like, man, we've never done a collab with anyone,
so we should do this. And so we started this
thing a year ago and we designed six boots, three
men's and three women's, all named after people in my family.
And they just came out last week and it's been
a blast.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
So that's pretty cool. Yeah, and you like them?

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
I love them. I was just in Austin and they've
got like that's where their flagship story is and walked
in and they had my whole display set up right
in front of the thing, and it was really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
All right, two questions left, Angels. You're a single, now
correct me if I'm wrong. But is it about the
sacrifices that Lauren, that your wife has for sure given
for you? Yeah? I don't know what is she that's not.
That's a love song, but it's not a year so
beautiful love song.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Yeah, that's probably the most like unique love song I
released about her, just because most of my other ones
are very You're the most incredible thing, like our love
stories butterflies and rainbows all the time, and Angels is
definitely one of those ones where it's like, man, you've
given up a lot, you know, to allow me to
like do what I do for a living, and you've
given up a lot of your passion for a long

(01:07:54):
time to follow me on the road and do this
thing and support me and more of just like an
apology and thank you in a way. And so the
song might like I've been playing it live, you know
a lot this year and just watching grown men like
sobbing in these buildings, like hugging the person that I
with has been pretty powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
So something that I saw that I've been meaning to
tell you about was that I saw the video of Lauren.
Maybe it was not knowing the names of your albums,
oh yeah, And I just was like I show it
to my wife and I was like, this is us
because she doesn't listen to the show, right, she doesn't
hate she just for sure she lives the show.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
She lives.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
She hears me saying all this crap at home, saying
she knows. When I'm also on the air for emphasis,
I'm like, turn it stories up a little bit here
and there, even like book she doesn't know any and
I'm like, this is us and she goes, well, you
know what, Lauren probably lives with all of this of
Thomas Rhad stuff all the time. That she doesn't have
to go and check out an album because she lives

(01:08:53):
it every single day of.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Her Sure, she's already heard the demo seventy thous all
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Yeah, and she's heard me work out a jokey two
times where I just try to bring it up in conversation.
She's like, I know your testim material on me. Yeah,
I know your testimonial. No, maybe I just really She goes,
that's a you're working a joke on me right now.
And so that actually my final question isn't a question,
but except like I felt that come on because I
watched it and I showed my wife and she was
like yeah, and and what she said about Lauren, which

(01:09:19):
I felt that yea to her.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
And when that video became like such a thing. I mean,
every interview I did for the next two weeks was
about that video. And uh, and Lauren looked at me
and she's like, do you feel like that makes me
look like I don't care, and I was like, no,
like because I know that you care. You know what
I'm saying. I just think there's a lot going on
in our lives, you know what I'm saying, Like we

(01:09:42):
have four children under the age of eight, Like we
got to plan, we got to plan a night a
week in advance for us to just talk about what
happened this week, you know what I'm saying, Like there's
so many things that maybe like she talked to her
mom about or I talked to a buddy about that
gets brought up and it's like, we never told me
about that, and you're kind of like you and well,
we eman had a moment. You know what I'm saying.

(01:10:04):
We are in the freaking weeds. It's like we go
they all four of my kids came on the road
this weekend and including in much of our family, and
like a bunch of my family got back from the
road and they were just like, I'm so worn out,
and I'm like, I know, and you didn't even play shows,
you know what I'm saying. And so it's like me
and Lauren are kind of at that stage where it's
like I kind of go on the road and I

(01:10:25):
do my thing, and she stays here and she does
her thing, and we come back and we try to
collaborate the best that we can until we can find
one night to just hash it all out, talk about
what happened with the kids, talk about what happened at work,
and then we're then we're set straight again for like
the next week. But it's like it's just challenging, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Yeah. Well, so, like I know, we don't see each
other as much as sometimes we'd like to, but that's
the nature of this whole plays. But I love you,
love you too, But you know, when it comes to
like solid dudes like your as well as they come
and congratulations on the vinyl and things of life and
being good looking and be able to sing and just
you know, great calves. Get do this all day. But
I'm gonna wrap it up, all right, Thomas, Right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Everybody, first stretch you, Bud.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
This has been a Bobby cast production.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Mm hm

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