April 16, 2025 • 44 mins
In this episode of In The Vet's Office, Dr. Josie is joined by 2x best-selling author, Trading Secrets podcast host and Bachelor Nation star Jason Tartick. Jason opens up about the void he’s had in his heart recently for dogs, which led him to adopting his pup Teddy from Wags & Walks Nashville. Jason dives into Teddy’s crazy backstory, including why the dog had to spend an entire winter outdoors after his previous owner was arrested on a serious charge. Jason talks about Teddy's big personality and what he's learned from his professional dog trainer. Dr. Josie gives Jason some pointers on Teddy, including advice on a potential ACL injury.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Yeah, you're listening to in the Vets Office with doctor
Josie Horchak. All right, everyone, welcome back to in the
Vets Office. I am your host, doctor Josie, and today
we have a very special guest. You may know him
from the Bachelorette, but there's a lot more to him
than just reality TV. He's a best selling author, a
(00:30):
business and financial expert, an entrepreneur, and the host of
his own hit podcast, Trading Secrets, which I may or
may not be going on in the very near future.
Oh yeah, and most importantly of all, and the reason
he's here today is he is a dog dad. So
the newly adopted Teddy Welcome to in the Vet's Office.
Jason Tartet, thank you so much for having me. I'm
happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
This is cool. This is It's also like wild how
many people we know like like this all just came
together so quickly. It's kind of crazy small world out there.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I know, Nashville especial.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh my gosh, it's like, what's not six people's like
six s greous separations.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
One totally Yeah, I saw you adopted Teddy, and I
messaged one of our really good mutual friends and I
was like, hey, I met this guy, might be interested
in a concierge. Vette like, let me reach out. So
I text you and You're like, I might be moving.
I don't really know. I'm like, no worries. Then I'm like, hey,
we could pro rate this if you want, you know,
me being a business girl, and.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Why you said that? Okay, So let me tell you
about you talked about red flag these texts right there?
How many is that that is? Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Eight hundred and fourteen?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, I am the worst at texting. I don't know.
You said you can, ok we can pro rate.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Let's talk.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We can talk about I do New York City and
Nashville like a pro ray from when I'm just here.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Absolutely my clients close.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
The deal in trading secrets.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You're going to close the deal. And and so then
I'm sitting there and you haven't responded yet, and I'm like, oh, man,
like I'm stressing about season three. I need more guests.
So then I send you a voice memo. You're busy.
I don't hear back from you. No big deal. That night,
I go out like this guy.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Guys, what of this sucks?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So then we go out. I go out that evening,
I meet up with my good girlfriend who's here in
town with her sister, Kelly Flanagan, and you show up
at the bar and I'm like, oh my god, this guy.
I've texted him, I have voice memoed him, and now
I'm at this bar. I look like I'm stalking this guy.
I was like, hello, I'm doctor, Josie.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Josie, I was like a doctor. I'm like, wait a
sec what what like.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Your the one has been blowing me up. Anyways, I'm
glad that we met, and I promise I'm not a stalker.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
No, that is it's a I mean again, small world,
right everyone, by the way, everybody and I have friends, wags, walks,
my train, everyone in door as like you're the best,
Like you're the best. My biggest issue, though, is I'm
in this weird position where I'm trying to figure out
am I going to move to New York City or
am I stay in Nashville. And I'm like toying with
all the ideas, but the idea of the concierge pet
(02:55):
service makes like perfect sense, especially Teddy goes freaking nuts
at the that. It's just I gotta feel like everything
in my life, which is crazy, even bet services. You
can't figure shit out until you have your foundation, right.
So that's like I gotta get the stone down and
then can like build from there. So we're gonna work it.
We're gonna work something out there.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I can't wait. And I want to talk about your
move to New York and what they might look like
for your Teddy as well.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes, your opinion.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yes, we'll discuss before we dive into all things Teddy.
I like to start this podcast with the case of
the week and this kind of just like opens up
what life is like in the trenches, if you will,
for the listeners. And so this particular case, there was
a guy, this is probably about a year ago. A
guy was walking his dog off leash in each EASTU leash,
(03:41):
East Nashville.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I think I know this story.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Do you know this?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I only said like four things and I think I know.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh boy, you know what happens next?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, isn't this this how small Nashville is?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Okay? If this story is right, well I'm going to
be shocked. If you know this.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Maybe it is one of your class classes that heats
it up, okay, because it's a successful thing.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Well, this is before I was concierge. But still, oh,
great guy, great guy. Okay. So he's walking his dog
off leash. And this, by the way, for everyone listening,
I don't care how good your dog is, Like drivers
are crazy. They still want to like sniff and get
into things. Put your dog on a leash. It like
gives me heart palpitation seeing them running around off leash. Anyways,
(04:21):
this dog, he notices is sniffing in a bush. He
goes to kind of see, like, what are you looking? Like,
what are you sniffing at? And the dog pops back up.
He has like something plastic in his mouth, and he
sees plastic and white. The dog fwallows it. This happens
all the time. He's like, maybe it's trash, maybe it's
a napkin. We'll see, we'll see. They get home about
(04:41):
a half hour later. The dog is super agitated. He's
pacing around the house. He's just acting really strange. And
so he calls us and I tells us what's going on,
and we say, yeah, you should definitely bring him in.
Let us take a look at him. The dog comes
to the clinic and he has the highest heart rate
I have ever heard in a dog. It was like
three hundred beats for a minute. He is panting full
(05:02):
body trimmers, pupils are huge. He has a temperature through
the roof and and a young dog. We always think,
what have you gotten into? What kind of talks in
We drug test him and come to find out he
an entire bag of cocaine.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Stop it, This is not the story I heard.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I was gonna say that the insane just.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
In the park there's a bag of cocaine sitting around it.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It was on the streets. He was walking down the sidewalk.
And we have seen this time and time again a
lot of times. It'll be like an edible, like weed.
Edibles for whatever reason will be like dropped and on
the street. This is definitely my first time of a
dog eating an entire bag of cocaine.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
What do you do well the dog?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I mean, you can give it like special muscle relaxes,
but we had to hospitalize. We sent it right to
the er, to the ICU. They do like tons of
ivy fluids to kind of flush the elter system. He
ended up like seizing for multiple days in a row,
like full blown overdose. And I'm like, I want to
say that he did great and went on to be fine,
but he didn't. It did not end well. I'm so
(06:08):
sorry that I brought you to this podcast to tell
you this horrible story. But I think that this just
really reiterates how important it is to have your pet
on a leash, and even when they're on a leash,
like keep an eye on like what they're getting into,
because like you do see this.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, I'm I'm a huge leash guy, just like I
think you have to be. That is so sad. The well,
sorry that I was gonna say that I thought it was.
It was the same start of the story. Very well
trained dog, service animal, smartest breeds out there, no leash,
which is typical I guess for this owner. And he
(06:45):
went up to a girl there at the park and
he's playing with the girl and the girl was like
it was out of sight of the owner, I guess,
And the girl said he was the dog was amazing.
And then he gets distracted and all of a sudden
he hears shots, gunshots.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh I know the story too.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, this was Percy Warner Park. And he goes over
and then and then guy that was nearby said that
he felt threatened by the dog and the girl was like,
this was the sweetest dog in the world. That dog
did nothing. I was the eyewitness. There was nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
There were multiple eyewitnesses.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Multiple eye witnesses saying there was no attack, There was
no nothing, and this guy took out a gun and
killed the dog, probably broad daylight at a very like
well known safe part, which is just it's I mean,
there's a lot to tackle within that situation, right, Like,
there's a lot of different areas you could talk through,
(07:38):
but you know it does there's the theme from the
other one is.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Like leash exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Obviously there's a lot more issues in that circumstance, but
that's yeah, there's so much factor, yeah, unpacked there, but
the leash thing, it's really.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Speaking of leash. Yes, talk about Teddy.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Talk about Teddy Man.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
So all the listeners know I do a ton with
wags and walks and that is where you got Teddy from. Yes,
do you know? Tell us about him, like what's his age?
Do you know his breed? And what is his backstory?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Okay, so he is he's ten months when I got him.
I've had him for a month now, so eleven months.
That's all prediction, right, you guys decide that based on teeth. Yeah, okay,
so that's what they told me based on teeth. His
back His backstory is wild. I actually haven't shared this yet.
He he in November, and I wish I had the
(08:33):
notes in front of me so I got this perfectly correct.
But in November, his owner was arrested, and when he
was arrested, it was a pretty serious charge. And at
that point that owner had the two options to give
the dog up.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Do you know what the charge was? No, like, did
he commit homicide or something?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I like, trust me, I'm gonna find out.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
We have to know.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Because I don't have any information. I'm gonna I'm gonna
go true crime because I love true grind. So he
gets arrested, it's a serious charge, and then he has
two options to surrender the dog. It'll go to a
shelter to rescue, or a family member can take the dog.
He wouldn't do either option. As a result of that,
he then has to go in a specific type of shelter.
(09:17):
In this shelter from when I was told it was
an outdoor shelter. Now I had a roof, but it
was outdoors. So from November to February. Teddy was only
in this shelter outdoors through the entire winter until a
decision was made on the case. He was held in custody.
A decision was made in February.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I believe he was like in doggy foster care.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
He was in doggy foster care. Yeah, except yeah, sounds
even like a little bit worse. Yeah, And they I
have pictures of him like this in this like small
area and it's not great. And then when the when
the guy was found guilty, that is when Waggs was
able to like the Wags had their eye on him.
The second he was found guilty, Weggs could take him.
And it was the day that he arrived. It was
(10:02):
the next day I came in. So that's like, are you.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Just going there? Were you looking for a dog or
are you going to do like social media stuff? How
did that?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah? I had my ex fiance and I had two
dogs together, and I don't want to get into that
on this podcast, but long and short, they're in a good,
healthy and happy place with her and I hadn't seen
them since May of last year, and so I have
been like really like having a void in my heart
(10:35):
for dogs and It was February thirteenth, and the mailman
left two dog bones at my front door and I
was like I can't. I like, like, I literally and
I took a video of it. I'm like, I'm dying
right now. And Wags and Walks actually reached out. They're like, hey,
why don't you come volunteer and just come spend some
(10:55):
time with dogs and like maybe they'll put a smile
on your face on Valentine's Day. So I was like,
you know what, You're right, And typically my days are
just warped and packed and back to back meetings. I
canceled everything and I was like, I'm coming in tomorrow.
And so I went into Wags when I went John
Gurney and we went to go we played with all
these dogs, and then I met Teddy that day and
that was the again. He got there the day before.
(11:15):
He wasn't even registered in their system, and I was like,
oh my god, shit, shit, it's not good, this is
not good. It's so funny media. Oh. It was the
second I put my eyes on him and I was like,
oh no, oh no.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I don't know if love it first sight for humans exists, maybe,
but with dogs.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It was instantly, I was like, I looked at him like,
oh no, I walked away. I did it like that,
and I'm like, ohh And I came out and we
had soul plays. So I'm like, all right, take a breather.
And I promised myself I would if anything, I would
walk out, take a day or two. Took a day
or two, went back to play with him for like
three hours, walked them everything. I'm like, he's mine and
so that was like, that was yo. His breed. He
(11:59):
looks like a gold but he's definitely got something else.
No way. His DNA testing's in right now, so I
don't even know what he is. But I don't know.
Maybe Collie, I don't know. Everyone's got a different opinion
on it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
How how much does he weigh?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He weighs he's tall, Like off the ground, he's tall,
but he's around he's around sixty pounds.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Does he have on his back feet? Does he have
back do claws?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I could he does.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I could see him having great Pyrenees And.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's what that's what the Wag's found. That's what Catherine said.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I could see that. I was like, what, I've never
seen him in person, but.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That's a that's a big dog, big dog.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And they were they are bred to protect chicken coops.
Oh interesting, yeah, I know, or like farm animals.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
So what would that mean behaviorally?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Behaviorally, it means that he they're a very smart he
is smart, probably too smart for it's a good yeah,
and that they just can be a little bit more
like like they're just can be protective.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
They're protective, they're very stimulated, they're very he's very alpha. Yeah, okay, yeah,
we've had gon have to check that. No, okay, so recently.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, was he neutered at wags?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Okay, interesting? And how I mean he's ten months old.
I have this theory that dogs come from rescue and
they either come to you a little bit more like mellow,
and then as they get more comfortable, they're like let's
go and they're crazy, or they come and they're like
(13:27):
super hyper stimulated already like really on edge and then
they start to calm down. Yes, how is he?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
He is the definition of extremely stimulated, like he is
a wild man. He is. Oh yeah, and you could tell,
like right, dogs are packed animals. He definitely whatever packed
he was in, he was the leader and you could
tell it's his intention and energy is like so kind
and sweet and fun and smiley. But he is also
never been told no in his whole life. So like
(13:55):
you could tell he reat wherever he was with this
dude that's in jail. That dude got his show run
by Rango, which.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Was Commitment murder Y Ringo's the Box.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, Rango was the bike. Rango's got street red and
now he's teddy. But yeah, so he has a lot
of training to be done. But he's such a sweet,
like kind boy too, Like he's got such a soft
side to him.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I we were talking about this a little bit before,
but I tell owners, it is so common that they
come to me and they have a new puppy and
the puppy is like eight, ten, twelve weeks old. They're like,
it's so cute, it'd sleep so much. I have the
perfect puppy. They come back six months later and they're like,
what have I done? This dog is a monster, like
I won't get me, help me, And I like, this
(14:51):
is very normal from months eight to twelve, maybe him
like eighteen, they're just on a tear.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, you're exactly, And he wasn't you know, he just
wasn't the way so Nicki. The way Nikki kind of
explained it, She's like, for the for.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
The listeners, Nicki is the trainer that we had on
season two. She's actually coming back.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Oh she's yeah, she's so good.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
She's amazing. People loved her. They were like, bring her back.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
The people the listeners know Nicki.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah. When she talks, I don't say. I'm just like yes,
like writing notes, just keep telling me. I think the
way she explains it is very helpful too, because it's
the psychology and then the action which is really helpful.
But what she was saying was that like thin, imagine
like a human like I just dropped, like name a
random city in a country anywhere, Tokyo, Copenhagen, Okay, Copenhagen, Tokyo,
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wherever you put yourself there, and you're just like go
figure it out. You'd be like look, you know, you'd
be stimulating looking everywhere do I go? What's the currency?
What's the restaurant? Where do I stay? You just like
you don't know, ha ha, It's like that's your dog
right now. And imagine you know Tokyo, Copenhagen, and I
bring like the best a very good friend who knows everything.
They speak dual languages, they know the spots in the restaurants.
What are you gonna do. You're gonna let them lead
(15:57):
and then you're gonna follow their lead and then they're
gonna show you everywhere and you're gonna be safe and sound.
This is what the dog needs, Like you have to
be the leader and these dogs love you. Most dogs
don't respect their owners, and you have to develop a
respect with your dog. And so we've gone through a
lot of like intense training, everything from create training to
opening the door letting him come out when he's told
(16:19):
to come out. But then it's like this constant re
establishing relevance, right, which is like, so he gets out
of the crate, Now we got to re establish relevance.
Then we got to open the door, make sure he
doesn't go out of the door without being told. Then
the leash training, and there's been a lot of ups
and downs and challenges and lefts and rights. But the
biggest thing that we're working on is he's mouthy. And
(16:42):
I didn't realize that, like if a dog is like
what Nikki had said, if a dog is biting your
your leash. It's an extension of you. It's like they're
biting you. And if they're putting your fingers or hand
in their mouth in any capacity, even if it's like
playful and like they think it's a toy, like they're
not biting to hurt, but it's like like it's the
ultimate sign of disrespect, like they that doesn't happen. And
(17:04):
so he does that. And then he also his other
thing that he's what we're really working on, is cars
come by and he will rip after a car like
it's a moving toy. So which is a lot, right,
because the consequences of both of those actions, if not
appropriately handled, could be severe injury or death or where
(17:25):
whatever else could be from that. So those are like
two things we're taken like super seriously.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
That's so interesting. I love the analogy of going to
a new city being totally overstimulated and we are there.
It's so interesting because our first instinct is, Oh, I'm
just gonna love you, just going to love you through it,
but they don't. They want your love, of course, and
I think there's like a balance, but we also have
to be their structure, right, which means we have to
set boundaries and we have to you know, be kind
(17:50):
of strict. And that is so I see owners struggle
with that.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I struggle with that whole hard. I'm like, I don't know,
it's good. It's got to be good raining for a
child because it is like say, like being like a
little tough on him, yes, and resetting boundaries and doing
things I know that are irritating him, but for his
best interest and mine, it's so hard.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And when we have human children, Yeah, thank you, Nikki,
we are ready.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yes, thank you, Nikki. We appreciate it. Basic because he's mouth.
The one thing that we're working on is like the figure.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Eight, which is I don't know this, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
So it's you take essentially you take the the the
lea the lead. It's not the leash. It's like that
lead thing you know, the rope that these yeah, no, no,
no no, it's just essentially it's a leash. So it's
a leash, but it's just a rope, okay. And you
you bring it enough of it down under what do
you call this the muzzle the muzzle and you you
(18:45):
turn it and then you put the it's the rope
over the muzzle. So it's just it's just a rope.
It's like one like kind of like leash over the muzzle,
but it's like tying the back and it helps them
with getting comfortable that they don't have control. It doesn't hurt,
doesn't create any pain, but it's a new way of
like when we're walking, you're not going to pick up
that stick, Like you're not going to do that. And
(19:06):
it's a constant theme with Nicki's training of like you
have to lead, you have to be in front, but
also you're almost like a horse, like your body language,
everything you do, they're reading. So if I'm on my phone,
he's going to know I'm distracted. He's going to start
leading all these little things. So like the thing that's
the most annoying is practicing is literally me walking a
(19:30):
foot forward. If he gets in front of me, we
turn around, just back and forth, so he knows at
all times he needs to be behind me. So there's
a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
But my German shepherd went to Nicki and so he's
upstairs right now sleeping because we just spent all morning
out front. If he gets ahead of me, we turn
around and go back the other direction. If he has
made so many strides, but there's still times where he's like,
oh another dog, yeah, and yeah. I mean it's like
you're like, I'm burning a hole in the sidewalk from
going five paces forward five paces back.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It's but it's like the patients and the consistency. One
thing I thought was interesting. I don't know if I
don't think she'd care if I shared this. I just
found it fascinating is when she's doing this. What I
love is she's explaining the psychology of like what's happening
to the doc and he was being we were going
she was he was throwing a fit, biting the leash
and like trying to play tug of war, and she
went down got his energy. It was a whole thing.
(20:22):
He was being a brat and she was doing this
thing with his mouth and it didn't create pain, but
it created this signal. I was like, what are you doing?
What is that? I've never seen that, And she's like,
when I do this, he's going to instantly stop. And
I was like, almost like imagine a pressure point, but
not a pressure point. I asked her to explain it.
She explained it and on the on a dog's muzzle
(20:42):
like on the top muzzle. I don't know what you
call that the upper what do you refer to that?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
A snout?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, the snout, but like that where their teeth are
on the top versus the bottom, Like what would you
call this versus?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
This is the maxilla?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Okay, so you open their muzzle the maxilla. Yeah, And
she just put her hand in the maxilla and then
the fingers kind of press stuff on the gums, just
the maxilla. And I was like, tell me more, and
she's like, well, and I hope I get this right.
This is what she said. I believe is when dogs fight,
a dog is like kind of winning because that's where
they're gonna bite. So it's it's almost like the equivalent
(21:16):
of like if you're if you're in a fight with
a man or a woman or whatever, yeah, and they
put you in a headlock, and you're just like, Okay,
if someone puts me in a head lock, I'm fine. I'm
not going I'm not like bleeding, I'm not that, but
I'm like, okay, I gotta submit.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
You got white yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Like all right, white flag, like you you won this
and so things like that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
That just you wouldn't know and we don't learn that
from that school. I don't learn that.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, So next time I'm going to fight with my sister,
I'm gonna stick my hands in her mask. I'll show
her Morgan's shaking her head at me. Carla, if you're listening,
watch out. That is funny. I mean, that is really
interesting though, and a lot of it is just and
I do love it. She explains the psychology because a
(22:01):
lot of times you're like, do this, do that, but
you're like, why am I doing this? It doesn't really
make sense. When you can think through it, it's so
much more helpful.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, exactly. And she like even things like the couches,
Like dogs don't know what a couch is. We allow
them to get a couch. Once they get on a couch,
they are rated our like e ie with us. Yeah,
And so she's like, if you get to the point
that the dog come in the couch, it's got to
be earned, right, you know. And so like they sit
and then you let them come and if you want
them off, there's a demand for them to get off.
(22:28):
So it's the whole thing is just fascinating, but it's a.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Huge learning experience humans.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Oh my, and I also realized like, how you know
I've had dogs in the past, and I'm just like, wow,
how much I.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Was not I am a horrible pet owner. It really makes.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You think and I know, I know, So it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
How is it going. When we had first talked about him,
he was limping a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yes, so he still is. It's interesting because like his
limp comes on and off. We have and this was
my last gold in. Poor guy was kicked in the
hip and was found in the streets. Bro yeah, and
found in the streets with a broken hip. He got
surgery and then we rescued him. Because of that, I'm
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hyper aware of the hips on a dog, like whenever
am I walking him too much? Is he on the
concrete versus the grass? Because I would always want to
if he dragged it. So when I first picked him up,
I was like, something's up with his hip, But it
wasn't too drastic, and then it started to get worse,
but then it got better with pain, medication and inflammation.
So we got an X ray done. The x ray
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is a big question mark because the vet said it's good.
The radiologist said it shows like an ACL tear. Now
we have wags has orthopedic that they suggest doctor Nunley.
Doctor Nunley is like, it's inconclusive. So I have three
different opinions from oh, I got to send those to
(23:53):
you want to gain your opinion. Three opinions and all
of them are up in the air. So what we're
doing is doctor Dunley is I guess he works all over,
So we're setting an appointment with him for Teddy to
go in to see if there's an ACL tear.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
We can feel it. Yeah, it's so interesting because in humans,
well I guess, and animals too. When we take X rays,
we can see how does the femur fit into the
hip socket, and that tells us do they have hYP
dysplasia or not. That's super easy to rule in or out.
But at ligament tear we instead of ACL, we call
it CCL and dog that's right, I know something else
(24:28):
it's an ACL same thing. We can't really see that.
We can't see that ligament on X ray. Soft tissue
structures don't really radiate like bones do, and so we
can only see evidence of a CCL rupture. So like,
is there a little bit of swelling which we can
see on X ray? Is are the bones like slightly
(24:50):
out of position. But we can't say, oh, yeah, slam dunk,
the CCL is torn. So we do put a lot
of weight on our exam and when we move the
different bones in the leg, if there's a lot of
we call it laxity, but like a lot of extra movement,
then that would be give us more evidence that yeah,
this probably is a torn CCL.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Do dogs do MRIs.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
They Doris, would you do an MRI? You absolutely could.
I would say yeah. I would say, we're gonna know
by the time we do the exam and take the
X right, it's gonna be pretty solid. If it ever
gets to the point where I've had a dog who
had this horrible swelling in his front leg. We didn't
know why we couldn't get to the bottom of it,
and we did an MRI. So we do have that
(25:30):
as an option. But you're that's like way more expensive
than an X ray an exam.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah. What's interesting is like it's hard. I don't know.
I guess we'll have to see because there's some days
he's not phase it all.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
On other days he limps a little bit, say a
little bit, is he like toe touching? Like what does
that mean like limping on his toe or is he
limping like not putting any weight on it at all?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Toe touching? Okay, but like that same day he'll be
doing bunny jumps fifteen feet in the air, like trying
to run, and I'm slowing them out there. We're pretty
since I went to the doctor, we're like really slowing
down exercise a little bit because they suggested two to
three weeks. You know, obviously he's a teenage wild man,
so give him some love and get him out there.
(26:11):
But like, let's let's keep an eye on it, and
then he's taking anti inflammation stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Okay, yeah, I mean, and so even if they tear
their acls, it doesn't have to be a full tear.
It could be a partial tear too, That's one thing
to think about. And so with that it can kind
of wax and weig like my husband Cody toward his
ACL and then went scuba diving the week after. So
they can tear it and still get around.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
So I would say I wouldn't let that like sway
me one way or another.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Okay, but it should I mean, it should get like
if it's a tear, we'll find out here. So the
next week or two it should get fixed though.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Right, yes, and a young, young, one active, million trillion
percent fix it. Yeah, absolutely, because if you don't fix
it then they're really predisposed to arthritis in their joint.
They kind of hobble around their whole life. And we
have such like the surgery now as like so it's
a well oiled machine. They do great. Definitely worth doing.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
The idea of him two weeks though, like not being
able to walk, it breaks that.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
It's like twelve weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Oh my god, twelve weeks.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's twelve weeks of recovery.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
The first this poor guy, he's got so much. He's
going to the therapist for dogs. He's gonna need to
talk to someone.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Sounds like he could use a concier therapist. I do
not geting. I would. I can talk to him.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Can you tell me.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
About your feelings?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
No?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
So really the first two to four weeks on a
leash in and out to go potty right back inside.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Oh my god, that is a form of torture for
this dog.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And then four weeks you can put them on a
leash and like go around the block of eight weeks
a little bit more twelve weeks back to normal activity.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I really hope it's not Tor.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I hope so too. And honestly, I mean he's so
young and rambunctious right now. Like you, it's okay, you're
not like neglecting by not doing anything, especially since he's
not limping on a like regular basis.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, we're in. It's all we're doing is waiting for
this with yes, which is gonna be the next week
or two.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
That Jeff, that's doctor Nunley's heirs. Name is Jeff.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Oh Jeff.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Shout out to Jeff.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Let's go tell us what's.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Going on that he needs you. He needs a therapist,
an orthopedist. Action here got him for one month.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
One month. He gets more packages than me. He's got
a lot of fans out there. People love speeches. It's
like a speech. They love to.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Start monetizing on my dogs.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Honestly, there's like when I walked out to come here,
FedEx showed up and then there's like four or five packages.
Everyone was for him. Everyone.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
This is amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
He is just thriving. Get up here.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, camera putting you on social media?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Okay to know, Yeah, she's doing she should be doing.
She could do a lot.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
She really could.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
They're actually for the agency that I own. We some
dogs like Doug the Pug, or I mean, Doug the
Pug kills it. Dog the Pug Like Doug the Pug
makes the og. Majority of humans in this world does.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And he's like he has more followers than Miss Peaches.
He's the og. Doug has a new little sister named Dory.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yes, I saw it, Doug her now, I know.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
They're so cute.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Cute.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, so you're thinking about moving to New York City,
which is no secret. Yeah, and how will I mean
is Teddy like a deciding factor in that, like, oho,
I want a yard for him in Nashville or yeah?
Is that playing into your decision at all?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It's definitely playing into my decision. And I brought him
to New York already, and he did great New York,
which is good. He'd like acclimated pretty well and we
didn't have any issues or anything. If I did live
in New York, it would have to be like Park,
would have to be within extreme close proximity. I think
what I'm where I'm leaning towards right now is buying
(29:56):
a place in Nashville, having a nice backyard, spending a
lot of time here and then having more of like
an office space in New York that I could get
the best podcast, have an area to cook and sleep,
so I could kind of like work as like a
an office and that I could do both. I'll go
up there to work a little bit and then come
back here to kind of relax and have residency here.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
That's smart tax purposes too. Yeah, listening, just yeah, look away.
We I lived in downtown Chicago prior to moving here
and took care of all the pets in downtown Chicago,
which is just as urban as New York City, and
they I had a great day in there. So you
can have big dogs. Yeah, she's a big Yeah. So
(30:41):
you can have dogs that live in those settings and
they do great. I feel like people are like, how
could you put that dog in an apartment? Well, she
gets three walks a day and you know, you have
access to parks, so I wouldn't. I mean, they can
live a very nice, normal lifestyle in an urban setting
like that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Okay, that's good to know. I should definitely get them trained,
fully trained.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
For going to say that. First, We're gonna need like
a couple of years with Nikki. Yeah, I was gonna
that'll be that would be something else. Can you imagine
him just like tearing down the streets?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Oh gosh, well he did. He was actually really good
with the walks and stuff, which I'm surprised by.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
If he likes to chase cars.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, he likes to chase cars. One session with Nikki.
He doesn't chase cars anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
The old maximum point.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
He does not chase cards anymore. He's doing just fine
with that now, which is good.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
We always sort of wrap up our episodes with a
segment called paw and Order, So we're gonna do pawn Order.
And this is three things I would never do with
my pets as a veterinarian, and I think these will
be good for you as I've kind of tailored them
to like a new pet owner with a dog. So
Number one, I wouldn't follow directions on the back of
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the bag when feed my pets unless they're a puppy.
That's the only caveat the reason being is they almost
always tell you to overfeed. My thought behind that is
it's probably the pet food companies want to sell more food.
Oh interesting, And so if you want to know how
much to feed your pet. Ask your veterinarian. We can
tell you exactly how many calories to feed, and then
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based on what you're eating, we can tell you exactly
how much of that to give.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Can I put you on the spot, Yeah, Like, what
do you think he should he's fifty to fifty let's
say call it fifty to sixty pounds. He fluctuates your
active crazy barrier.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Have to take that into account.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
And he's a grown boy, growing teenager.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Sixty pounds, We'll say, well.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, I'd say, like precisely, it's probably like fifty seven something. Okay,
fifty six fifty seven doing my calculata, your calculate, right,
And I'll tell you right now when I do. I
feed him every day at ten.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
To five, at four fifty. Wait what ten to five?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I feed him twice a day, okay, at.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Ten and okay, it was like, wow, four fifty that
is very yeah, okayise five. So you who noted, Okay,
let's see here. So this is actually a really great example.
So if you had a fifty pound, fifty let's say,
sixty pound dog that isn't young and active and growing
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in all the things, they would probably eat roughly around
like seven hundred calories a day, and a sixty pound
dog that is young and wild and active and biting
his leash and all the things you're going to get
closer to, like eleven hundred calories per day.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Okay, good to know.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
So that's how much I would feed him, and then
you can look what are you feeding him.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
There's a company called Mave that I've been okay with
their stuff like the Farmer's Dog. It's all like the
fresh stuff Farmer's Dog. Those are the two right now
I'm playing with.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I would Yeah, you can look at those bags and
I'll tell you exactly how many calories. Most of the
time on pet foods it says kill a cow so
k c al per cup or per ounce and that's
the same thing as a calorie.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Good. So good to know, yes on it. Oh, what
do you think about slow feeders?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I love them. I have the best slow feeder that
I use for my shepherd. It's made by yomphy y
o m p yump.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Okay, what else do you think about? Sorry, I'm stealing yourself,
no question. Someone told me that you shouldn't put the
bowl on the ground. You should actually elevate it for
digestion issues. Is that is that internet.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Trolls are going to come after me for this and
I think they know everything. But no, you can put
it on the.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Ground because I was getting yelled at for that.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
There are no scientific studies to show that raising food bowls.
The reason they say that is that their stomachs are
less likely to flip if the food bowls are raised.
There's no data behind that.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Interesting, So you said stomach flip, Like what should what
does it mean? And what should I look out for? Like,
how do I know if my dog's stomach flips it's bad?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
So it's really mainly in like our really deep chested
dogs that have all that extra space, and there's really
no rhyme or reasons why it happens. We just know
that some breeds are more predisposed to it, and for
whatever reason, that stomach expands and then it flips on
its and it cuts off blood supplies in the stomach
and it's a like dire emergency, life threatening condition. The
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main symptom that we see is dogs that are wretching,
so they're like gagging trying to get something up and
nothing's coming out.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Ah, is it common or no.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
It's the data. And like deep chested dogs like great Danes,
forty percent of great Danes will experience GDB. Is what
it's called.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Okay, I have one more question and then.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I'm done because ask away. I love this.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
That's something that the podcast holsto we can't help it.
What are like, obviously there's symptoms of a human should
like go to the emergency room. What are some things
that is dog owners should be like if your dog's
doing this, like don't mess around? Go see go go? Yeah,
Like what are those things?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
A active bleeding? Okay, they're actively bleeding? I take them
in Coughing I like to take pretty seriously a cough
and a dog can go from being nothing to being
something really bad pretty quickly. Coughing, by the way, can
sound like a gag. A lot of times people will
come in and be like, my dog, it sounds like
something stuck in its throat and it's like this, I'm
gonna make the cough noise and it's so embarrassing as
(36:04):
what like that is what it sounds like? Okay, and
then I kind of have this rule of three. So
if they're having vomiting or diarrhea, or something like that.
If it's three times in one day, three days in
a row, or they have three concurrent issues, you should
probably take them in to be seen. If it's like
one off throw up, I'm like, yeah, they'll be.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Fine, sure, But if you see three, then it's like.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Go, exactly, they're diarying, they're not eating, and they're vomiting.
Take them to the bet.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's the only thing I learned from like Nikki, threes
are big. It's three days, three weeks, three months. If
you heard that one, which is can you so I
don't screw it up. Whether it's like three days when
you adopt a dog, you need to be with the
dog three days in your home, don't go anywhere nobody else,
et cetera. And it's like within three weeks they start
to find like they'll start to understand you're their person.
And that takes like three full months of like active
(36:50):
care for like them to like decompressed, decompressed, like be
at their homeostasis.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yes, I that is so important when rescuing a dog
is to have that expectation that you're not going to
bring this dog in. You shouldn't go hit up the
patios in the parks right away, like allow them to
acclimate to your home and decompress, and that that takes time.
And so that's like the essentially what that that rule is,
and it's so important even like a year after adopting them,
(37:17):
like I'll still like notice them starting to just like
get even more comfortable. So it takes time.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
It takes time time.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Okay. Number two on the list is it is flea
seasoned people. It is getting warm out. I can't tell
you how many owners have called me because they have
fleas on their pets. And I'm gonna throw my sister
under the bus again on this podcast, but she called
me the other day. I know she called me the
other day because her dog had a tick on it.
And my big no no here is don't buy flea
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and tick prevention off of Amazon or Chewy. If it's
not prescription base. You do not want to buy the
over the counter stuff. It doesn't work. That's usually going
to be like sorry to call you out Frontline, but
like Frontline is the brand that I find that doesn't
work very well, and you're going to end up saving
a few dollars on the short end, but long end,
your pet's going to get fleas intecks and you're gonna
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spend way more money trying to treat that. So it's
worth the extra five dollars to buy the prevention from
your met.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Wait, isn't the prevention thing you wear on your neck?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It can be the Ceresto collar, it can be around
the neck. I don't love that one as much.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
What do you love?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I love Simperica Trio, which is.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
That's the shot, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (38:28):
No, that's pro Heart. Simpiricatrio is just an all in
one chew. It does flee ticks, heartworms, all in one
chew once a month.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
That seems effective, super duper effective injection. I think. Is
Simperica ever done an injection? Never? Never?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You're thinking pro Heart.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Might have been pro Heart because we did it and
we almost lost one of our dogs. Really Yeah, he
went into like cribb of the reaction, didn't know what
to do. We had him on an ivy that I'm
a heart monitor. The gums went fully gray, like we
almost lost very scary. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
No, I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of listeners
out there that have their dogs on pro Heart. And
it's not to say that it's a blanket statement of
it being bad. It's just any vaccine, injection, anything we
give them. There's all in humans too. There's always the
risk of having a reaction to something, so he is
one that we would not want to give pro hard.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
How do you for fleas and stuff? How do you?
How do you know if a dog has fleas?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
They are super duper itchy, like they're unbearably itchy, and
then we I can do my examine and see you please, yeah, okay, okay,
you'll know, right, and then the fleas can like get.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
You can't see like I couldn't see fleas.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
You can see a flee you can mites like skin
mites you can't see, but fleas you can see. They're
like little teeny little like gnats, like the size of
a gnat.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Right, yeah, keep my eye. It's flea season.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Keeper, it's flea season. Okay, number three. It is starting
to warm up, as I just said, And my dogs
are like crazy. I bet Teddy, Well, Teddy might still
have his puppy coat, but he's got long hair, so
you'll notice hair thick, hair thick. You'll notice that in
the spring and the falls, when they do the majority
of their shedding, and I would not ferminate my dogs
(40:16):
this time of year really. Ever, the ferminating is a tool.
It's a d shedding tool that kind of pulls out
that undercoat. And if you go take your dog to
the groomer, the groomers will also say like, do you
want me to ferminate your dogs for you?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Thing?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Ferminating. I can't tell you how many times I see
dogs come in three to five days post erminating and
that tool causes like little micro tears in their skin
and it gets infected and they're so itchy. They have
like pustules all along their back. And it's not every
single time, but it's a lot. So I try not
to ferminate. Just get yourself a really good brush.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Don't ferminate at all.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Don't ferminate ever, I don't.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Oh, don't do that.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
It's that tool so harsh and it like just scrapes
across their skin.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, I didn't know that, So get a brush. Don't
use that for that clothing I use. Don't use that?
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Is it well?
Speaker 2 (41:10):
All? Look?
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Is it? Is it a ferminator?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I think? So I'll send a picture and see what
you think. But yeah, it's like one of those ones
that it's got like a little I don't know, it's
like metal and it's got like the little baby claws,
and like when you do it, like he likes it, it
feels good. But then like a bunch.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Of hair, I'll take a look at it, you'll know, Like.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
So what about shampoos and stuff. Don't use fermination champ
because aren't there like fermin champoo shampoo.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, no, d shinting champoo great, okay, anything like labeled
for a dog champoo. Wise, it's the tool. It's like
that metal on skin. Okay, it hurts the skin barrier
and then they can get infections after that.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I feel like people always like, do you have any
brand deals from this podcast. I'm like, I'm literally up there.
Just don't do the ferminator, don't do the front line.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Let me tee you up with a potential brand opportunity here.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Number one treat Number one treats.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
They're like top treat that you're like, that's a good treat.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
I really like Stuart's freeze dried and I don't love
like freeze dried stuff, but these are the best. I
carry them with me to all my appointments. Stuart's freeze
dried liver treats. You can get them on I think
it's like a family owned company. You can get the
money Amazon.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Okay, anything that you're like, absolutely not put that in
your dog's mouth.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Antlers, good one, anything hard like that. I can't I
see a fract right, a hard bone. Anything I can't
press my finger into out. I see so many fractured teeth.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
What about those bones with like the like this, I
don't know what's your standard, like bone with like the
peanut butter stuff in there. I'm blanking on it.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Like a marrow bone. Yes, I mean those are also
really hard, like they can fracture their teeth and then
I got to go in and take the tooth out.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
That's a process.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
It's a process. I'm sweating, and you're spending thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yes, yes, so veinary care.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
We're going to I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yump again and plugging them y omp. They make really
good soft soft but they're silicone, so they're still like
they can chew on them. Really great toys and bones
for dogs to chew on. That's the tea.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
That's great. Yeah, awesome, Well.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Thank you for having me. This has been great and
you'll have.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
To keep us posted. Well, I'll let people know what
happens if you guys moved to New York. If Teddy
gets a CCL face and needs it face, there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
On the horizon. Maybe we'll do a part two one
day and he'll be here once he's trained.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
In five years, Teddy will come years old. All right, Well,
this has been a great first episode of season three,
and we have so many more great episodes to come
this season. We've got Lauren Aigins, We've got Victoria Fuller,
we have the head of the swat team that trains
all the swat dogs for the Nashville PD, Nikki the
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trainer who we've talked about one hundred times. This episode
is also coming back, So stay tuned because it's going
to be awesome and I can't wait for you guys
to listen to it.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
H
Yeah, you're listening to in the Vets Office with doctor
Josie Horchak. All right, everyone, welcome back to in the
Vets Office. I am your host, doctor Josie, and today
we have a very special guest. You may know him
from the Bachelorette, but there's a lot more to him
than just reality TV. He's a best selling author, a
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business and financial expert, an entrepreneur, and the host of
his own hit podcast, Trading Secrets, which I may or
may not be going on in the very near future.
Oh yeah, and most importantly of all, and the reason
he's here today is he is a dog dad. So
the newly adopted Teddy Welcome to in the Vet's Office.
Jason Tartet, thank you so much for having me. I'm
happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
This is cool. This is It's also like wild how
many people we know like like this all just came
together so quickly. It's kind of crazy small world out there.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I know, Nashville especial.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh my gosh, it's like, what's not six people's like
six s greous separations.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
One totally Yeah, I saw you adopted Teddy, and I
messaged one of our really good mutual friends and I
was like, hey, I met this guy, might be interested
in a concierge. Vette like, let me reach out. So
I text you and You're like, I might be moving.
I don't really know. I'm like, no worries. Then I'm like, hey,
we could pro rate this if you want, you know,
me being a business girl, and.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Why you said that? Okay, So let me tell you
about you talked about red flag these texts right there?
How many is that that is? Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Eight hundred and fourteen?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, I am the worst at texting. I don't know.
You said you can, ok we can pro rate.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Let's talk.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We can talk about I do New York City and
Nashville like a pro ray from when I'm just here.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Absolutely my clients close.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
The deal in trading secrets.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You're going to close the deal. And and so then
I'm sitting there and you haven't responded yet, and I'm like, oh, man,
like I'm stressing about season three. I need more guests.
So then I send you a voice memo. You're busy.
I don't hear back from you. No big deal. That night,
I go out like this guy.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Guys, what of this sucks?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So then we go out. I go out that evening,
I meet up with my good girlfriend who's here in
town with her sister, Kelly Flanagan, and you show up
at the bar and I'm like, oh my god, this guy.
I've texted him, I have voice memoed him, and now
I'm at this bar. I look like I'm stalking this guy.
I was like, hello, I'm doctor, Josie.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Josie, I was like a doctor. I'm like, wait a
sec what what like.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Your the one has been blowing me up. Anyways, I'm
glad that we met, and I promise I'm not a stalker.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
No, that is it's a I mean again, small world,
right everyone, by the way, everybody and I have friends, wags, walks,
my train, everyone in door as like you're the best,
Like you're the best. My biggest issue, though, is I'm
in this weird position where I'm trying to figure out
am I going to move to New York City or
am I stay in Nashville. And I'm like toying with
all the ideas, but the idea of the concierge pet
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service makes like perfect sense, especially Teddy goes freaking nuts
at the that. It's just I gotta feel like everything
in my life, which is crazy, even bet services. You
can't figure shit out until you have your foundation, right.
So that's like I gotta get the stone down and
then can like build from there. So we're gonna work it.
We're gonna work something out there.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I can't wait. And I want to talk about your
move to New York and what they might look like
for your Teddy as well.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes, your opinion.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yes, we'll discuss before we dive into all things Teddy.
I like to start this podcast with the case of
the week and this kind of just like opens up
what life is like in the trenches, if you will,
for the listeners. And so this particular case, there was
a guy, this is probably about a year ago. A
guy was walking his dog off leash in each EASTU leash,
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East Nashville.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I think I know this story.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Do you know this?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I only said like four things and I think I know.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh boy, you know what happens next?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, isn't this this how small Nashville is?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Okay? If this story is right, well I'm going to
be shocked. If you know this.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Maybe it is one of your class classes that heats
it up, okay, because it's a successful thing.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Well, this is before I was concierge. But still, oh,
great guy, great guy. Okay. So he's walking his dog
off leash. And this, by the way, for everyone listening,
I don't care how good your dog is, Like drivers
are crazy. They still want to like sniff and get
into things. Put your dog on a leash. It like
gives me heart palpitation seeing them running around off leash. Anyways,
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this dog, he notices is sniffing in a bush. He
goes to kind of see, like, what are you looking? Like,
what are you sniffing at? And the dog pops back up.
He has like something plastic in his mouth, and he
sees plastic and white. The dog fwallows it. This happens
all the time. He's like, maybe it's trash, maybe it's
a napkin. We'll see, we'll see. They get home about
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a half hour later. The dog is super agitated. He's
pacing around the house. He's just acting really strange. And
so he calls us and I tells us what's going on,
and we say, yeah, you should definitely bring him in.
Let us take a look at him. The dog comes
to the clinic and he has the highest heart rate
I have ever heard in a dog. It was like
three hundred beats for a minute. He is panting full
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body trimmers, pupils are huge. He has a temperature through
the roof and and a young dog. We always think,
what have you gotten into? What kind of talks in
We drug test him and come to find out he
an entire bag of cocaine.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Stop it, This is not the story I heard.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I was gonna say that the insane just.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
In the park there's a bag of cocaine sitting around it.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
It was on the streets. He was walking down the sidewalk.
And we have seen this time and time again a
lot of times. It'll be like an edible, like weed.
Edibles for whatever reason will be like dropped and on
the street. This is definitely my first time of a
dog eating an entire bag of cocaine.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
What do you do well the dog?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I mean, you can give it like special muscle relaxes,
but we had to hospitalize. We sent it right to
the er, to the ICU. They do like tons of
ivy fluids to kind of flush the elter system. He
ended up like seizing for multiple days in a row,
like full blown overdose. And I'm like, I want to
say that he did great and went on to be fine,
but he didn't. It did not end well. I'm so
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sorry that I brought you to this podcast to tell
you this horrible story. But I think that this just
really reiterates how important it is to have your pet
on a leash, and even when they're on a leash,
like keep an eye on like what they're getting into,
because like you do see this.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, I'm I'm a huge leash guy, just like I
think you have to be. That is so sad. The well,
sorry that I was gonna say that I thought it was.
It was the same start of the story. Very well
trained dog, service animal, smartest breeds out there, no leash,
which is typical I guess for this owner. And he
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went up to a girl there at the park and
he's playing with the girl and the girl was like
it was out of sight of the owner, I guess,
And the girl said he was the dog was amazing.
And then he gets distracted and all of a sudden
he hears shots, gunshots.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh I know the story too.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, this was Percy Warner Park. And he goes over
and then and then guy that was nearby said that
he felt threatened by the dog and the girl was like,
this was the sweetest dog in the world. That dog
did nothing. I was the eyewitness. There was nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
There were multiple eyewitnesses.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Multiple eye witnesses saying there was no attack, There was
no nothing, and this guy took out a gun and
killed the dog, probably broad daylight at a very like
well known safe part, which is just it's I mean,
there's a lot to tackle within that situation, right, Like,
there's a lot of different areas you could talk through,
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but you know it does there's the theme from the
other one is.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Like leash exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Obviously there's a lot more issues in that circumstance, but
that's yeah, there's so much factor, yeah, unpacked there, but
the leash thing, it's really.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Speaking of leash. Yes, talk about Teddy.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Talk about Teddy Man.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
So all the listeners know I do a ton with
wags and walks and that is where you got Teddy from. Yes,
do you know? Tell us about him, like what's his age?
Do you know his breed? And what is his backstory?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Okay, so he is he's ten months when I got him.
I've had him for a month now, so eleven months.
That's all prediction, right, you guys decide that based on teeth. Yeah, okay,
so that's what they told me based on teeth. His
back His backstory is wild. I actually haven't shared this yet.
He he in November, and I wish I had the
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notes in front of me so I got this perfectly correct.
But in November, his owner was arrested, and when he
was arrested, it was a pretty serious charge. And at
that point that owner had the two options to give
the dog up.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Do you know what the charge was? No, like, did
he commit homicide or something?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I like, trust me, I'm gonna find out.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
We have to know.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Because I don't have any information. I'm gonna I'm gonna
go true crime because I love true grind. So he
gets arrested, it's a serious charge, and then he has
two options to surrender the dog. It'll go to a
shelter to rescue, or a family member can take the dog.
He wouldn't do either option. As a result of that,
he then has to go in a specific type of shelter.
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In this shelter from when I was told it was
an outdoor shelter. Now I had a roof, but it
was outdoors. So from November to February. Teddy was only
in this shelter outdoors through the entire winter until a
decision was made on the case. He was held in custody.
A decision was made in February.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I believe he was like in doggy foster care.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
He was in doggy foster care. Yeah, except yeah, sounds
even like a little bit worse. Yeah, And they I
have pictures of him like this in this like small
area and it's not great. And then when the when
the guy was found guilty, that is when Waggs was
able to like the Wags had their eye on him.
The second he was found guilty, Weggs could take him.
And it was the day that he arrived. It was
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the next day I came in. So that's like, are you.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Just going there? Were you looking for a dog or
are you going to do like social media stuff? How
did that?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah? I had my ex fiance and I had two
dogs together, and I don't want to get into that
on this podcast, but long and short, they're in a good,
healthy and happy place with her and I hadn't seen
them since May of last year, and so I have
been like really like having a void in my heart
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for dogs and It was February thirteenth, and the mailman
left two dog bones at my front door and I
was like I can't. I like, like, I literally and
I took a video of it. I'm like, I'm dying
right now. And Wags and Walks actually reached out. They're like, hey,
why don't you come volunteer and just come spend some
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time with dogs and like maybe they'll put a smile
on your face on Valentine's Day. So I was like,
you know what, You're right, And typically my days are
just warped and packed and back to back meetings. I
canceled everything and I was like, I'm coming in tomorrow.
And so I went into Wags when I went John
Gurney and we went to go we played with all
these dogs, and then I met Teddy that day and
that was the again. He got there the day before.
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He wasn't even registered in their system, and I was like,
oh my god, shit, shit, it's not good, this is
not good. It's so funny media. Oh. It was the
second I put my eyes on him and I was like,
oh no, oh no.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I don't know if love it first sight for humans exists, maybe,
but with dogs.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It was instantly, I was like, I looked at him like,
oh no, I walked away. I did it like that,
and I'm like, ohh And I came out and we
had soul plays. So I'm like, all right, take a breather.
And I promised myself I would if anything, I would
walk out, take a day or two. Took a day
or two, went back to play with him for like
three hours, walked them everything. I'm like, he's mine and
so that was like, that was yo. His breed. He
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looks like a gold but he's definitely got something else.
No way. His DNA testing's in right now, so I
don't even know what he is. But I don't know.
Maybe Collie, I don't know. Everyone's got a different opinion
on it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
How how much does he weigh?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
He weighs he's tall, Like off the ground, he's tall,
but he's around he's around sixty pounds.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Does he have on his back feet? Does he have
back do claws?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I could he does.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I could see him having great Pyrenees And.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's what that's what the Wag's found. That's what Catherine said.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I could see that. I was like, what, I've never
seen him in person, but.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That's a that's a big dog, big dog.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And they were they are bred to protect chicken coops.
Oh interesting, yeah, I know, or like farm animals.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
So what would that mean behaviorally?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Behaviorally, it means that he they're a very smart he
is smart, probably too smart for it's a good yeah,
and that they just can be a little bit more
like like they're just can be protective.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
They're protective, they're very stimulated, they're very he's very alpha. Yeah, okay, yeah,
we've had gon have to check that. No, okay, so recently.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, was he neutered at wags?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Okay, interesting? And how I mean he's ten months old.
I have this theory that dogs come from rescue and
they either come to you a little bit more like mellow,
and then as they get more comfortable, they're like let's
go and they're crazy, or they come and they're like
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super hyper stimulated already like really on edge and then
they start to calm down. Yes, how is he?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
He is the definition of extremely stimulated, like he is
a wild man. He is. Oh yeah, and you could tell,
like right, dogs are packed animals. He definitely whatever packed
he was in, he was the leader and you could
tell it's his intention and energy is like so kind
and sweet and fun and smiley. But he is also
never been told no in his whole life. So like
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you could tell he reat wherever he was with this
dude that's in jail. That dude got his show run
by Rango, which.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Was Commitment murder Y Ringo's the Box.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, Rango was the bike. Rango's got street red and
now he's teddy. But yeah, so he has a lot
of training to be done. But he's such a sweet,
like kind boy too, Like he's got such a soft
side to him.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I we were talking about this a little bit before,
but I tell owners, it is so common that they
come to me and they have a new puppy and
the puppy is like eight, ten, twelve weeks old. They're like,
it's so cute, it'd sleep so much. I have the
perfect puppy. They come back six months later and they're like,
what have I done? This dog is a monster, like
I won't get me, help me, And I like, this
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is very normal from months eight to twelve, maybe him
like eighteen, they're just on a tear.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, you're exactly, And he wasn't you know, he just
wasn't the way so Nicki. The way Nikki kind of
explained it, She's like, for the for.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
The listeners, Nicki is the trainer that we had on
season two. She's actually coming back.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Oh she's yeah, she's so good.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
She's amazing. People loved her. They were like, bring her back.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
The people the listeners know Nicki.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah. When she talks, I don't say. I'm just like yes,
like writing notes, just keep telling me. I think the
way she explains it is very helpful too, because it's
the psychology and then the action which is really helpful.
But what she was saying was that like thin, imagine
like a human like I just dropped, like name a
random city in a country anywhere, Tokyo, Copenhagen, Okay, Copenhagen, Tokyo,
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wherever you put yourself there, and you're just like go
figure it out. You'd be like look, you know, you'd
be stimulating looking everywhere do I go? What's the currency?
What's the restaurant? Where do I stay? You just like
you don't know, ha ha, It's like that's your dog
right now. And imagine you know Tokyo, Copenhagen, and I
bring like the best a very good friend who knows everything.
They speak dual languages, they know the spots in the restaurants.
What are you gonna do. You're gonna let them lead
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and then you're gonna follow their lead and then they're
gonna show you everywhere and you're gonna be safe and sound.
This is what the dog needs, Like you have to
be the leader and these dogs love you. Most dogs
don't respect their owners, and you have to develop a
respect with your dog. And so we've gone through a
lot of like intense training, everything from create training to
opening the door letting him come out when he's told
(16:19):
to come out. But then it's like this constant re
establishing relevance, right, which is like, so he gets out
of the crate, Now we got to re establish relevance.
Then we got to open the door, make sure he
doesn't go out of the door without being told. Then
the leash training, and there's been a lot of ups
and downs and challenges and lefts and rights. But the
biggest thing that we're working on is he's mouthy. And
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I didn't realize that, like if a dog is like
what Nikki had said, if a dog is biting your
your leash. It's an extension of you. It's like they're
biting you. And if they're putting your fingers or hand
in their mouth in any capacity, even if it's like
playful and like they think it's a toy, like they're
not biting to hurt, but it's like like it's the
ultimate sign of disrespect, like they that doesn't happen. And
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so he does that. And then he also his other
thing that he's what we're really working on, is cars
come by and he will rip after a car like
it's a moving toy. So which is a lot, right,
because the consequences of both of those actions, if not
appropriately handled, could be severe injury or death or where
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whatever else could be from that. So those are like
two things we're taken like super seriously.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
That's so interesting. I love the analogy of going to
a new city being totally overstimulated and we are there.
It's so interesting because our first instinct is, Oh, I'm
just gonna love you, just going to love you through it,
but they don't. They want your love, of course, and
I think there's like a balance, but we also have
to be their structure, right, which means we have to
set boundaries and we have to you know, be kind
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of strict. And that is so I see owners struggle
with that.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I struggle with that whole hard. I'm like, I don't know,
it's good. It's got to be good raining for a
child because it is like say, like being like a
little tough on him, yes, and resetting boundaries and doing
things I know that are irritating him, but for his
best interest and mine, it's so hard.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And when we have human children, Yeah, thank you, Nikki,
we are ready.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yes, thank you, Nikki. We appreciate it. Basic because he's mouth.
The one thing that we're working on is like the figure.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Eight, which is I don't know this, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
So it's you take essentially you take the the the
lea the lead. It's not the leash. It's like that
lead thing you know, the rope that these yeah, no, no,
no no, it's just essentially it's a leash. So it's
a leash, but it's just a rope, okay. And you
you bring it enough of it down under what do
you call this the muzzle the muzzle and you you
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turn it and then you put the it's the rope
over the muzzle. So it's just it's just a rope.
It's like one like kind of like leash over the muzzle,
but it's like tying the back and it helps them
with getting comfortable that they don't have control. It doesn't hurt,
doesn't create any pain, but it's a new way of
like when we're walking, you're not going to pick up
that stick, Like you're not going to do that. And
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it's a constant theme with Nicki's training of like you
have to lead, you have to be in front, but
also you're almost like a horse, like your body language,
everything you do, they're reading. So if I'm on my phone,
he's going to know I'm distracted. He's going to start
leading all these little things. So like the thing that's
the most annoying is practicing is literally me walking a
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foot forward. If he gets in front of me, we
turn around, just back and forth, so he knows at
all times he needs to be behind me. So there's
a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
But my German shepherd went to Nicki and so he's
upstairs right now sleeping because we just spent all morning
out front. If he gets ahead of me, we turn
around and go back the other direction. If he has
made so many strides, but there's still times where he's like,
oh another dog, yeah, and yeah. I mean it's like
you're like, I'm burning a hole in the sidewalk from
going five paces forward five paces back.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It's but it's like the patients and the consistency. One
thing I thought was interesting. I don't know if I
don't think she'd care if I shared this. I just
found it fascinating is when she's doing this. What I
love is she's explaining the psychology of like what's happening
to the doc and he was being we were going
she was he was throwing a fit, biting the leash
and like trying to play tug of war, and she
went down got his energy. It was a whole thing.
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He was being a brat and she was doing this
thing with his mouth and it didn't create pain, but
it created this signal. I was like, what are you doing?
What is that? I've never seen that, And she's like,
when I do this, he's going to instantly stop. And
I was like, almost like imagine a pressure point, but
not a pressure point. I asked her to explain it.
She explained it and on the on a dog's muzzle
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like on the top muzzle. I don't know what you
call that the upper what do you refer to that?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
A snout?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, the snout, but like that where their teeth are
on the top versus the bottom, Like what would you
call this versus?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
This is the maxilla?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Okay, so you open their muzzle the maxilla. Yeah, And
she just put her hand in the maxilla and then
the fingers kind of press stuff on the gums, just
the maxilla. And I was like, tell me more, and
she's like, well, and I hope I get this right.
This is what she said. I believe is when dogs fight,
a dog is like kind of winning because that's where
they're gonna bite. So it's it's almost like the equivalent
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of like if you're if you're in a fight with
a man or a woman or whatever, yeah, and they
put you in a headlock, and you're just like, Okay,
if someone puts me in a head lock, I'm fine. I'm
not going I'm not like bleeding, I'm not that, but
I'm like, okay, I gotta submit.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
You got white yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Like all right, white flag, like you you won this
and so things like that.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
That just you wouldn't know and we don't learn that
from that school. I don't learn that.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah, So next time I'm going to fight with my sister,
I'm gonna stick my hands in her mask. I'll show
her Morgan's shaking her head at me. Carla, if you're listening,
watch out. That is funny. I mean, that is really
interesting though, and a lot of it is just and
I do love it. She explains the psychology because a
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lot of times you're like, do this, do that, but
you're like, why am I doing this? It doesn't really
make sense. When you can think through it, it's so
much more helpful.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, exactly. And she like even things like the couches,
Like dogs don't know what a couch is. We allow
them to get a couch. Once they get on a couch,
they are rated our like e ie with us. Yeah,
And so she's like, if you get to the point
that the dog come in the couch, it's got to
be earned, right, you know. And so like they sit
and then you let them come and if you want
them off, there's a demand for them to get off.
(22:28):
So it's the whole thing is just fascinating, but it's a.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Huge learning experience humans.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Oh my, and I also realized like, how you know
I've had dogs in the past, and I'm just like, wow,
how much I.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Was not I am a horrible pet owner. It really makes.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You think and I know, I know, So it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
How is it going. When we had first talked about him,
he was limping a little bit.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yes, so he still is. It's interesting because like his
limp comes on and off. We have and this was
my last gold in. Poor guy was kicked in the
hip and was found in the streets. Bro yeah, and
found in the streets with a broken hip. He got
surgery and then we rescued him. Because of that, I'm
(23:12):
hyper aware of the hips on a dog, like whenever
am I walking him too much? Is he on the
concrete versus the grass? Because I would always want to
if he dragged it. So when I first picked him up,
I was like, something's up with his hip, But it
wasn't too drastic, and then it started to get worse,
but then it got better with pain, medication and inflammation.
So we got an X ray done. The x ray
(23:33):
is a big question mark because the vet said it's good.
The radiologist said it shows like an ACL tear. Now
we have wags has orthopedic that they suggest doctor Nunley.
Doctor Nunley is like, it's inconclusive. So I have three
different opinions from oh, I got to send those to
(23:53):
you want to gain your opinion. Three opinions and all
of them are up in the air. So what we're
doing is doctor Dunley is I guess he works all over,
So we're setting an appointment with him for Teddy to
go in to see if there's an ACL tear.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
We can feel it. Yeah, it's so interesting because in humans,
well I guess, and animals too. When we take X rays,
we can see how does the femur fit into the
hip socket, and that tells us do they have hYP
dysplasia or not. That's super easy to rule in or out.
But at ligament tear we instead of ACL, we call
it CCL and dog that's right, I know something else
(24:28):
it's an ACL same thing. We can't really see that.
We can't see that ligament on X ray. Soft tissue
structures don't really radiate like bones do, and so we
can only see evidence of a CCL rupture. So like,
is there a little bit of swelling which we can
see on X ray? Is are the bones like slightly
(24:50):
out of position. But we can't say, oh, yeah, slam dunk,
the CCL is torn. So we do put a lot
of weight on our exam and when we move the
different bones in the leg, if there's a lot of
we call it laxity, but like a lot of extra movement,
then that would be give us more evidence that yeah,
this probably is a torn CCL.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Do dogs do MRIs.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
They Doris, would you do an MRI? You absolutely could.
I would say yeah. I would say, we're gonna know
by the time we do the exam and take the
X right, it's gonna be pretty solid. If it ever
gets to the point where I've had a dog who
had this horrible swelling in his front leg. We didn't
know why we couldn't get to the bottom of it,
and we did an MRI. So we do have that
(25:30):
as an option. But you're that's like way more expensive
than an X ray an exam.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah. What's interesting is like it's hard. I don't know.
I guess we'll have to see because there's some days
he's not phase it all.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
On other days he limps a little bit, say a
little bit, is he like toe touching? Like what does
that mean like limping on his toe or is he
limping like not putting any weight on it at all?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Toe touching? Okay, but like that same day he'll be
doing bunny jumps fifteen feet in the air, like trying
to run, and I'm slowing them out there. We're pretty
since I went to the doctor, we're like really slowing
down exercise a little bit because they suggested two to
three weeks. You know, obviously he's a teenage wild man,
so give him some love and get him out there.
(26:11):
But like, let's let's keep an eye on it, and
then he's taking anti inflammation stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Okay, yeah, I mean, and so even if they tear
their acls, it doesn't have to be a full tear.
It could be a partial tear too, That's one thing
to think about. And so with that it can kind
of wax and weig like my husband Cody toward his
ACL and then went scuba diving the week after. So
they can tear it and still get around.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
So I would say I wouldn't let that like sway
me one way or another.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Okay, but it should I mean, it should get like
if it's a tear, we'll find out here. So the
next week or two it should get fixed though.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Right, yes, and a young, young, one active, million trillion
percent fix it. Yeah, absolutely, because if you don't fix
it then they're really predisposed to arthritis in their joint.
They kind of hobble around their whole life. And we
have such like the surgery now as like so it's
a well oiled machine. They do great. Definitely worth doing.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
The idea of him two weeks though, like not being
able to walk, it breaks that.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
It's like twelve weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Oh my god, twelve weeks.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's twelve weeks of recovery.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
The first this poor guy, he's got so much. He's
going to the therapist for dogs. He's gonna need to
talk to someone.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Sounds like he could use a concier therapist. I do
not geting. I would. I can talk to him.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Can you tell me.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
About your feelings?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
No?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
So really the first two to four weeks on a
leash in and out to go potty right back inside.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Oh my god, that is a form of torture for
this dog.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And then four weeks you can put them on a
leash and like go around the block of eight weeks
a little bit more twelve weeks back to normal activity.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I really hope it's not Tor.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I hope so too. And honestly, I mean he's so
young and rambunctious right now. Like you, it's okay, you're
not like neglecting by not doing anything, especially since he's
not limping on a like regular basis.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah, we're in. It's all we're doing is waiting for
this with yes, which is gonna be the next week
or two.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
That Jeff, that's doctor Nunley's heirs. Name is Jeff.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Oh Jeff.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Shout out to Jeff.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Let's go tell us what's.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Going on that he needs you. He needs a therapist,
an orthopedist. Action here got him for one month.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
One month. He gets more packages than me. He's got
a lot of fans out there. People love speeches. It's
like a speech. They love to.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Start monetizing on my dogs.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Honestly, there's like when I walked out to come here,
FedEx showed up and then there's like four or five packages.
Everyone was for him. Everyone.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
This is amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
He is just thriving. Get up here.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, camera putting you on social media?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Okay to know, Yeah, she's doing she should be doing.
She could do a lot.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
She really could.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
They're actually for the agency that I own. We some
dogs like Doug the Pug, or I mean, Doug the
Pug kills it. Dog the Pug Like Doug the Pug
makes the og. Majority of humans in this world does.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And he's like he has more followers than Miss Peaches.
He's the og. Doug has a new little sister named Dory.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yes, I saw it, Doug her now, I know.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
They're so cute.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Cute.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, so you're thinking about moving to New York City,
which is no secret. Yeah, and how will I mean
is Teddy like a deciding factor in that, like, oho,
I want a yard for him in Nashville or yeah?
Is that playing into your decision at all?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It's definitely playing into my decision. And I brought him
to New York already, and he did great New York,
which is good. He'd like acclimated pretty well and we
didn't have any issues or anything. If I did live
in New York, it would have to be like Park,
would have to be within extreme close proximity. I think
what I'm where I'm leaning towards right now is buying
(29:56):
a place in Nashville, having a nice backyard, spending a
lot of time here and then having more of like
an office space in New York that I could get
the best podcast, have an area to cook and sleep,
so I could kind of like work as like a
an office and that I could do both. I'll go
up there to work a little bit and then come
back here to kind of relax and have residency here.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
That's smart tax purposes too. Yeah, listening, just yeah, look away.
We I lived in downtown Chicago prior to moving here
and took care of all the pets in downtown Chicago,
which is just as urban as New York City, and
they I had a great day in there. So you
can have big dogs. Yeah, she's a big Yeah. So
(30:41):
you can have dogs that live in those settings and
they do great. I feel like people are like, how
could you put that dog in an apartment? Well, she
gets three walks a day and you know, you have
access to parks, so I wouldn't. I mean, they can
live a very nice, normal lifestyle in an urban setting
like that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Okay, that's good to know. I should definitely get them trained,
fully trained.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
For going to say that. First, We're gonna need like
a couple of years with Nikki. Yeah, I was gonna
that'll be that would be something else. Can you imagine
him just like tearing down the streets?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Oh gosh, well he did. He was actually really good
with the walks and stuff, which I'm surprised by.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
If he likes to chase cars.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, he likes to chase cars. One session with Nikki.
He doesn't chase cars anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
The old maximum point.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
He does not chase cards anymore. He's doing just fine
with that now, which is good.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
We always sort of wrap up our episodes with a
segment called paw and Order, So we're gonna do pawn Order.
And this is three things I would never do with
my pets as a veterinarian, and I think these will
be good for you as I've kind of tailored them
to like a new pet owner with a dog. So
Number one, I wouldn't follow directions on the back of
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the bag when feed my pets unless they're a puppy.
That's the only caveat the reason being is they almost
always tell you to overfeed. My thought behind that is
it's probably the pet food companies want to sell more food.
Oh interesting, And so if you want to know how
much to feed your pet. Ask your veterinarian. We can
tell you exactly how many calories to feed, and then
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based on what you're eating, we can tell you exactly
how much of that to give.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Can I put you on the spot, Yeah, Like, what
do you think he should he's fifty to fifty let's
say call it fifty to sixty pounds. He fluctuates your
active crazy barrier.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Have to take that into account.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
And he's a grown boy, growing teenager.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Sixty pounds, We'll say, well.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, I'd say, like precisely, it's probably like fifty seven something. Okay,
fifty six fifty seven doing my calculata, your calculate, right,
And I'll tell you right now when I do. I
feed him every day at ten.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
To five, at four fifty. Wait what ten to five?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I feed him twice a day, okay, at.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Ten and okay, it was like, wow, four fifty that
is very yeah, okayise five. So you who noted, Okay,
let's see here. So this is actually a really great example.
So if you had a fifty pound, fifty let's say,
sixty pound dog that isn't young and active and growing
(33:14):
in all the things, they would probably eat roughly around
like seven hundred calories a day, and a sixty pound
dog that is young and wild and active and biting
his leash and all the things you're going to get
closer to, like eleven hundred calories per day.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Okay, good to know.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
So that's how much I would feed him, and then
you can look what are you feeding him.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
There's a company called Mave that I've been okay with
their stuff like the Farmer's Dog. It's all like the
fresh stuff Farmer's Dog. Those are the two right now
I'm playing with.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I would Yeah, you can look at those bags and
I'll tell you exactly how many calories. Most of the
time on pet foods it says kill a cow so
k c al per cup or per ounce and that's
the same thing as a calorie.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Good. So good to know, yes on it. Oh, what
do you think about slow feeders?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I love them. I have the best slow feeder that
I use for my shepherd. It's made by yomphy y
o m p yump.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Okay, what else do you think about? Sorry, I'm stealing yourself,
no question. Someone told me that you shouldn't put the
bowl on the ground. You should actually elevate it for
digestion issues. Is that is that internet.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Trolls are going to come after me for this and
I think they know everything. But no, you can put
it on the.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Ground because I was getting yelled at for that.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
There are no scientific studies to show that raising food bowls.
The reason they say that is that their stomachs are
less likely to flip if the food bowls are raised.
There's no data behind that.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Interesting, So you said stomach flip, Like what should what
does it mean? And what should I look out for? Like,
how do I know if my dog's stomach flips it's bad?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
So it's really mainly in like our really deep chested
dogs that have all that extra space, and there's really
no rhyme or reasons why it happens. We just know
that some breeds are more predisposed to it, and for
whatever reason, that stomach expands and then it flips on
its and it cuts off blood supplies in the stomach
and it's a like dire emergency, life threatening condition. The
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main symptom that we see is dogs that are wretching,
so they're like gagging trying to get something up and
nothing's coming out.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Ah, is it common or no.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
It's the data. And like deep chested dogs like great Danes,
forty percent of great Danes will experience GDB. Is what
it's called.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Okay, I have one more question and then.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I'm done because ask away. I love this.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
That's something that the podcast holsto we can't help it.
What are like, obviously there's symptoms of a human should
like go to the emergency room. What are some things
that is dog owners should be like if your dog's
doing this, like don't mess around? Go see go go? Yeah,
Like what are those things?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
A active bleeding? Okay, they're actively bleeding? I take them
in Coughing I like to take pretty seriously a cough
and a dog can go from being nothing to being
something really bad pretty quickly. Coughing, by the way, can
sound like a gag. A lot of times people will
come in and be like, my dog, it sounds like
something stuck in its throat and it's like this, I'm
gonna make the cough noise and it's so embarrassing as
(36:04):
what like that is what it sounds like? Okay, and
then I kind of have this rule of three. So
if they're having vomiting or diarrhea, or something like that.
If it's three times in one day, three days in
a row, or they have three concurrent issues, you should
probably take them in to be seen. If it's like
one off throw up, I'm like, yeah, they'll be.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Fine, sure, But if you see three, then it's like.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Go, exactly, they're diarying, they're not eating, and they're vomiting.
Take them to the bet.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's the only thing I learned from like Nikki, threes
are big. It's three days, three weeks, three months. If
you heard that one, which is can you so I
don't screw it up. Whether it's like three days when
you adopt a dog, you need to be with the
dog three days in your home, don't go anywhere nobody else,
et cetera. And it's like within three weeks they start
to find like they'll start to understand you're their person.
And that takes like three full months of like active
(36:50):
care for like them to like decompressed, decompressed, like be
at their homeostasis.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yes, I that is so important when rescuing a dog
is to have that expectation that you're not going to
bring this dog in. You shouldn't go hit up the
patios in the parks right away, like allow them to
acclimate to your home and decompress, and that that takes time.
And so that's like the essentially what that that rule is,
and it's so important even like a year after adopting them,
(37:17):
like I'll still like notice them starting to just like
get even more comfortable. So it takes time.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
It takes time time.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Okay. Number two on the list is it is flea
seasoned people. It is getting warm out. I can't tell
you how many owners have called me because they have
fleas on their pets. And I'm gonna throw my sister
under the bus again on this podcast, but she called
me the other day. I know she called me the
other day because her dog had a tick on it.
And my big no no here is don't buy flea
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and tick prevention off of Amazon or Chewy. If it's
not prescription base. You do not want to buy the
over the counter stuff. It doesn't work. That's usually going
to be like sorry to call you out Frontline, but
like Frontline is the brand that I find that doesn't
work very well, and you're going to end up saving
a few dollars on the short end, but long end,
your pet's going to get fleas intecks and you're gonna
(38:09):
spend way more money trying to treat that. So it's
worth the extra five dollars to buy the prevention from
your met.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Wait, isn't the prevention thing you wear on your neck?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It can be the Ceresto collar, it can be around
the neck. I don't love that one as much.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
What do you love?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I love Simperica Trio, which is.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
That's the shot, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (38:28):
No, that's pro Heart. Simpiricatrio is just an all in
one chew. It does flee ticks, heartworms, all in one
chew once a month.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
That seems effective, super duper effective injection. I think. Is
Simperica ever done an injection? Never? Never?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You're thinking pro Heart.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Might have been pro Heart because we did it and
we almost lost one of our dogs. Really Yeah, he
went into like cribb of the reaction, didn't know what
to do. We had him on an ivy that I'm
a heart monitor. The gums went fully gray, like we
almost lost very scary. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
No, I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of listeners
out there that have their dogs on pro Heart. And
it's not to say that it's a blanket statement of
it being bad. It's just any vaccine, injection, anything we
give them. There's all in humans too. There's always the
risk of having a reaction to something, so he is
one that we would not want to give pro hard.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
How do you for fleas and stuff? How do you?
How do you know if a dog has fleas?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
They are super duper itchy, like they're unbearably itchy, and
then we I can do my examine and see you please, yeah, okay, okay,
you'll know, right, and then the fleas can like get.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
You can't see like I couldn't see fleas.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
You can see a flee you can mites like skin
mites you can't see, but fleas you can see. They're
like little teeny little like gnats, like the size of
a gnat.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Right, yeah, keep my eye. It's flea season.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Keeper, it's flea season. Okay, number three. It is starting
to warm up, as I just said, And my dogs
are like crazy. I bet Teddy, Well, Teddy might still
have his puppy coat, but he's got long hair, so
you'll notice hair thick, hair thick. You'll notice that in
the spring and the falls, when they do the majority
of their shedding, and I would not ferminate my dogs
(40:16):
this time of year really. Ever, the ferminating is a tool.
It's a d shedding tool that kind of pulls out
that undercoat. And if you go take your dog to
the groomer, the groomers will also say like, do you
want me to ferminate your dogs for you?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Thing?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Ferminating. I can't tell you how many times I see
dogs come in three to five days post erminating and
that tool causes like little micro tears in their skin
and it gets infected and they're so itchy. They have
like pustules all along their back. And it's not every
single time, but it's a lot. So I try not
to ferminate. Just get yourself a really good brush.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Don't ferminate at all.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Don't ferminate ever, I don't.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Oh, don't do that.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
It's that tool so harsh and it like just scrapes
across their skin.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, I didn't know that, So get a brush. Don't
use that for that clothing I use. Don't use that?
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Is it well?
Speaker 2 (41:10):
All? Look?
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Is it? Is it a ferminator?
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I think? So I'll send a picture and see what
you think. But yeah, it's like one of those ones
that it's got like a little I don't know, it's
like metal and it's got like the little baby claws,
and like when you do it, like he likes it, it
feels good. But then like a bunch.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Of hair, I'll take a look at it, you'll know, Like.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
So what about shampoos and stuff. Don't use fermination champ
because aren't there like fermin champoo shampoo.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, no, d shinting champoo great, okay, anything like labeled
for a dog champoo. Wise, it's the tool. It's like
that metal on skin. Okay, it hurts the skin barrier
and then they can get infections after that.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I feel like people always like, do you have any
brand deals from this podcast. I'm like, I'm literally up there.
Just don't do the ferminator, don't do the front line.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Let me tee you up with a potential brand opportunity here.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Number one treat Number one treats.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
They're like top treat that you're like, that's a good treat.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
I really like Stuart's freeze dried and I don't love
like freeze dried stuff, but these are the best. I
carry them with me to all my appointments. Stuart's freeze
dried liver treats. You can get them on I think
it's like a family owned company. You can get the
money Amazon.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Okay, anything that you're like, absolutely not put that in
your dog's mouth.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Antlers, good one, anything hard like that. I can't I
see a fract right, a hard bone. Anything I can't
press my finger into out. I see so many fractured teeth.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
What about those bones with like the like this, I
don't know what's your standard, like bone with like the
peanut butter stuff in there. I'm blanking on it.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Like a marrow bone. Yes, I mean those are also
really hard, like they can fracture their teeth and then
I got to go in and take the tooth out.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
That's a process.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
It's a process. I'm sweating, and you're spending thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yes, yes, so veinary care.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
We're going to I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yump again and plugging them y omp. They make really
good soft soft but they're silicone, so they're still like
they can chew on them. Really great toys and bones
for dogs to chew on. That's the tea.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
That's great. Yeah, awesome, Well.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Thank you for having me. This has been great and
you'll have.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
To keep us posted. Well, I'll let people know what
happens if you guys moved to New York. If Teddy
gets a CCL face and needs it face, there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
On the horizon. Maybe we'll do a part two one
day and he'll be here once he's trained.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
In five years, Teddy will come years old. All right, Well,
this has been a great first episode of season three,
and we have so many more great episodes to come
this season. We've got Lauren Aigins, We've got Victoria Fuller,
we have the head of the swat team that trains
all the swat dogs for the Nashville PD, Nikki the
(43:53):
trainer who we've talked about one hundred times. This episode
is also coming back, So stay tuned because it's going
to be awesome and I can't wait for you guys
to listen to it.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
H
Host
Bobby Bones
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