December 23, 2024 • 54 mins
In this special episode, Bobby takes you through the top BobbyCast episodes of the year! In Part 1, we're going through the top 10-6 episodes. You'll year stories from Don Felder (formerly of The Eagles), Stone Cold Steve Austin, Sara Evans, Terri Clark and Hillary Scott of Lady A. Stay tuned for Part 2!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Ladies and gentlemen. We are experiencing technical difficulties. This is
the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, if we have reached the end of the year,
so that means it's time to go through the best episodes.
Stuff you may have miss, stuff that I think you'll like.
It's the top ten Bobby Casts of the year. These
were either the most downloaded episodes or they had the
most interaction on social media from you guys. I was
able to sit down with some really cool people. Are
conversations a lot of times are raw and real, also
a lot of laughs, some very vulnerable moments as well.
(00:43):
And let's kick it off now at number ten Don Felder,
formerly of the Eagles, which was pretty crazy to sit
down with one of the guys that was one of
the Eagles and wrote Hotel California, and he talked about that,
and he also talked about high wrote some of the
other hits. So at first, let's go Don Felder from
so four to seventy one. He comes in at number ten.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I met this guy named Stephen Stills who had left
somewhere in Florida there was a military academy like a
military school high school. Who had run away from high school.
And this is way before he was Steven Stills, Like
you just met. That's just as a civilian, regular guy
you meet Steven Stills.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
He and I and Tom Petty and Bernie Ledden all
went to the same high school. So when we were
before we got to high school, he was in Gainesville
and he played in this band with me called the Continentals,
which a continental That thing was like really cool, you know.
So anyway, so we started playing, but teen time dances,
(01:45):
we wouldn't have really didn't get paid.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
It was just for the fun.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Of being on the stage in a pa and playing
and having a good time. But I think the first
time we got played Steven paid. Stephen and I got
in a car and my mom drove us to this
little women's organization tea party where they have those little
finger sandwiches and drink tea and stuff, and Steve and
I would just play acoustic guitar for these women. I
think we got ten dollars or something. We made five
(02:10):
bucks apiece, you know, And from there it really wasn't
ever about the money, to tell you the truth. It
was just the love of playing and figuring out music
and how does this work, and how do you write songs?
And how do you know? I would get Mill Bay
guitar books and learn chords from El Bay and just
kind of self educated all the way along.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
At what point, because you're talking about three absolute hall
of famers, not even just like traditional sense rock and
roll hall of fame, but like the greatest ever do
anything musically with Steven Stills and Tom Petty and yourself.
Do you guys all know you want to do it solo?
Why'd you break up the band? Like that? Feels like
a pretty solid band on.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Well, Steven left as soon as he graduated from high school.
He was one year ahead of me. He left and
moved to California, and I didn't see him until quite
a few years later. I think he graduated in sixty four.
Was it to do music though?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
When he left?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Was he like, I'm gonna go do music or was
he just moving to California to see what happened?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
He knew that was his destiny. He got out to California.
It wasn't happening in the Southeast, it wasn't happening in
New York. It was happening in California. So he was
magnificently drawn out to California. And the next time I
heard him was I was laying in bed one night
and the radio was on and I heard For what
(03:29):
It's Worth and I went, God, that voice sounds really FAMI,
I know who is that? And they said it was
Buffalo Springfield. And I went and figured out who Buffalo
Springfield was. Was released Stephen? And then the next time
I actually saw him physically, he was on stage at
Woodstock and I was in the crowd and I went,
that's Stephen. Still, what'stock?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So you were there watching, Yeah, and you see your
friend on stage nineteen sixty nine?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
What'stock?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
That's right? That's crazy?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Was Whatstock for you as a fan?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Was it like wild and muddy and everything that we
see or did you get the good version of it?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I had enough fourth site to actually have gone to
Woodstock with a guy who owned what it's called now
a travel all. It's like the predecessor to a suburban.
It had box doors on the back that open, so
we put a mattress in the back because it's out
just in the middle of nowhere, right, and we brought
an ice chest with drinks and food and we were
(04:28):
got there a day early, and we backed in so
we could open those doors towards the stage even if
it was pouring rain. We had shelter, we would trying
a comfy place to sleeve food with it. And then
it was just great because I saw some of the
most important, I think influential musicians in the history of rock.
I saw Jimmy Hendricks, I saw Carlos Santana, saw Crosby Stills,
(04:52):
Nash and young Grateful Dad just on an on Jana's
job for three solid days. It was probably the best
music event that ever exploded on the planet. It just
resonated all over the world. And as a matter of fact,
I wrote a song about it on my last record
about how that event went on to influence decades after decades,
(05:14):
after decades of young people that love rock and roll
and wanted to learn to play like that little ten
year old in Texas and became famous decade after decade
after decade. Is called American rock and Roll. That's the
title of my last album, And that song is about
being at Woodstock and seeing the beginning of it.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
When you were at Woodstock and you're watching these great
artists and you're inspired, but you were in the midst
of the early part of your music career at the
same time. Did you have a healthy professional jealousy or
would you have been like me about, like I should.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Be up there, this sucks. I would say both. It
was dependent on how much I was smoking at the time.
If I was spoking, I was pretty mellow about it.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
See, I think I would have been completely jealous the
whole time. But that's really cool that, like, you turn
to be really one of America's great musicians, but you
were also there as a fan, probably at what was
our greatest music event. Yeah, because you have that perspective
of being a fan and watching it as well.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Man, I just think about how muddy it was, and
he was in a freaking suburban. He was covered like
he was a d Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Don so.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
You know, I always hear about the California sound. Back then,
you talked about that a little bit, and everyone was
going to California to make music. But in the sixties,
you know, you think about California's Beach Boys. The Beach
Boys had the California sound. In the seventies, you guys
had the California sound. Did you ever think about that.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Well, yeah, because there was nobody except for Bernie Leaden
that was in the Eagles, that was from California. Don
Hinley was from Texas. I was from Florida. Joe Walsh
later joined. I think he was from Detroit, or so
Glenn was from Detroit. There was nobody in the band
that had the California sound, but we somehow managed to
be given the title of the new California Sound in
(07:02):
the seventies.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, and you embraced it.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You felt like, even though you know, not really a
band full of Californians, like, would you guys California sound?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Well, we were making music in California, you know. So
I do have to say that when the band first,
even before I joined at Bernie Leden was a brilliantly
gifted country musician. He played unbelievable flat top guitar, the best,
one of the best five string banjo players I've ever
seen in my life. He played pedal steel, he played mandolin.
(07:36):
He was just he loved country music. You listen to
those first couple of early records, that's a really heavy
influence coming from Bernie and all of those tracks. Right,
So there was the birth of what I thought was
early country rock music in those tracks. Later when I
joined the band, everybody wanted to move except for Bernie.
(07:58):
Wanted to move from country rock to more midstream AM
rock and roll radio, and so that's why I was
brought in. They kind of put a harder ridge on
everything that led it out of country.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
How was it joining a group that was already a group?
What's that dynamic like?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Well, it was interesting because Bernie and I had been
friends since high school. We had Bernie replaced Steven Stills
in the Money Quintet when Steve took off, and so
I'd known him for a long time and he had
given me insights into the dynamics in that band in
quite extensive ways about it always felt like a band
(08:37):
that was about to break up. So I had no
idea how long If I joined this band two weeks
from now, somebody's going to quit and take off. And
Bernie eventually did quit during the one of These Nights records.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So do you feel like that helped the creative process
or at least made it a like a quirky creative
process that there was always some sort of tension, like
was that were you challenging each other creatively because there
was tension or was it just like it's.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Kind of it's just tough.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I think both. I think there were egos involved. I
think there were song choices involved. I think there was
a battle for who was going to be the front man,
which was really a Glenn Fry originally started being the
front man from the get go. All the songs on
the first record were Glenn Fry songs, big hits, and
(09:30):
then Don Hinley just kind of roared out of the
background now off the drums, into singing spectacular songs like
WHICHI Woman and Best of My Love and just great,
great songs. His voice was spectacular. So there was always
that struggle between those two guys, even though they were
writing and collaborating together. I was there not to create friction,
(09:54):
but to help divert whatever their goal was musically directly,
because Don Hiley doesn't write music and Glenn he used
to call himself the claw when he played piano and
it was like he could get through it, but he
really wasn't a pianist. And so between Bernie's influence and
earlier on and then when he finally left and he
(10:14):
left for what I thought was a really good reason,
to tell you the truth, he really wanted to retain
the roots of country in some part of these records,
and they were just where over country, we're going to
move into rock and pop and all this other stuff.
And when Bernie left, they chose to get Joe in
which I love Joe to death. I think he and
(10:35):
I had some of the best times together of any
time on the road. And not only that, but the
fun we had already been playing together and TV shows
and shows that we opened for Elton John at Dodger
Stadium as Joe Walsh and friends, and so he and
I had already been doing that stuff. So when that
(10:57):
idea for Hotel California came up Little Beach House, I said,
I had to make an ending on this that Joe
and I could play on so that we could have
So I played a solo kind of like what I
was going to play, and then I'd play something I
thought Joe would try to sound like Joe, and I
was like simulating that thing at the very end of
(11:18):
the record. It was just always so much fun to
work and play with him, and we inspired each other.
It was like, Okay, you think you can do this,
try this. You know and okay, Trump, let's put a
squeak on this one, and you know, just try to
That was a very loving, fun creative process. A lot
of times it was over lyrics, and Don Helly is
(11:38):
a brilliant lyricist in my opinion. He just you take
a song like Hotel, and each little line is like
a postcard. It's like a picture of the song on
a dark desert highway. You see it cool in my hair.
You can feel it in your hair, the warm smell
you can smell khalid As. He just has a way
(11:58):
to draw these little pictures that to a great chorus.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Brilliant.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
He's an English literature major and it shows in this writing.
So I have the utmost respect for Don and his
skills that way.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
His voice.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I used to say he could sing the New York
Times telephone book and I'd love it.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I'll buy it platinum, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
At number nine, it's stone cold. Steve Austin from episode
four seventy two probably one of my favorite interviews because
we just went to his ranch and then we talked
for an hour. We talked about his career, what he
does for fun, and you can always go back and
listen to the full episode as well. Now he loves
to cuss. We did not bleep any of it. Heads up.
Here's a clip we put this at number nine. It's
(12:41):
stone called Steve Boston.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
We used to One of the guys I used to
travel with is one of my closest friends, Diamond Dallas Page.
He was ahead of his time as far as taking
care of his body, and he videotaped all his matches
and I'd be over doing color commentary, you know, while
who's in the ring working and the Sure enough we
get to say shit box motel and we'd hook the
VCR thing up to the TV so we could watch
(13:06):
his match and say, man, no, don't do this right here?
Do this then? Or do it like this? So we
start critiquing all of his matches, so the same thing. Man,
it's reps in anything, just like with racing east side
by side, just reps. You got to do anything or
whatever whatever it is you're trying to do, You got
to do it over and over and over again to
make improvements.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And you know that are you feeling Are you feeling
fulfilled in your competitive spirit by racing now from what
you were getting from football and then professional wrestling, like,
is it the same feeling of fulfillment?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
I would compare it more to to football rather than wrestling,
just because in wrestling you're in front of such massive crowds,
which meant I've been in front of crowds of twenty
five people, you know, and shit hurts a lot more
with it. Ain't nobody there high drilling, ain't near his eye.
(14:01):
Just gave me a good swift kick in the ass
before I hit the damn door and make my entrance.
Many a drilline factor is a whole different thing, because man,
when that glass broke, when they wrote that music for me,
they couldn't have wrote a better piece of music for
Stonecold Steve Boston. When that glass breaks, you could be
dragged out for being on the road. Who we used
to live on the road like all that, A lot
(14:21):
of the artists you talk to. It's a way of life,
and shit happens, and sometimes you're down, and when that
glass breaks and that crowd goes through the roof, it's
an adrenalinst spike that may if you've never felt it,
There's no way I could put it into words to
explain it to you enough. But this racing thing is
more like football because of just I just want to
(14:42):
compete at something and I want to win, and god
damn it, I ain't gonna win all the time. The
hell I broke down. We had a race a couple
of weeks ago. It was a five hundred and fifty
five mile race, and I broke down at mile mark
or one hundred and had to pull out.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Of the race.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
And that sucked ass because I was on about a
force for race winning streak and my federation that I
run in, and so it's nice when you experience those
highs and you know, it's like anybody can learn how
to win. It's those losses that kicking ass and kind
of ground you and say, Okay, the lows come with
the highs, and the highs go with the lows. So
racing is it? Really? It gives me a lot of satisfaction,
(15:21):
a lot of fulfillment. And I never knew this, but
last year when I started racing, we're running basically on
just rough ass, you know, roads out here in the desert,
on a two track road and we'd be going straight
down the road and there's rocks and turns and it's
referen hell out there and hell, I just veer off
(15:41):
the fucking road and end up in the sage brush. Well,
my coal driver's been racing this whole life, and he's calm,
cool and collected, and I'd gather my shit back together
and get on the road and say, hey, man, sorry
about that. We're wired for sounds, so we can talk
to each other. And what had happened was I was thinking,
Hey man, what the fuck? What am I drinking tonight?
I'm gonna have a beer? Am I gonna drink whiskey
(16:03):
or whatever? As soon as my mind left the task
at hand, which is navigating, you know, through that desert.
And it happened about three or four times that first season,
and racing has taught me to be laser focused, because
as soon as you take your mind off what you're doing,
you will fuck up. And that that's one of the
things I enjoy about it as well, Like the world
can be in a pile of shit right now, but
(16:24):
if I'm in that race, bug in a race, it
can wait because I'm dealing with what I got to
deal with and trying to get across that finish line
before the other guys.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Do you have a drink wine?
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Yeah? I love wine.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Are people will like, why are you drinking wine? Your
stone cold Steve Bosta, you should only drink beer.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah yeah, I'm a well rounded drinker.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I would just be like answer, shardon a.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Are you sure, mister Austin, I've.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Been around for so long. Now I'll make a post
on instagrams, Oh man, you better wantch you live. He
you've been drinking like motherfucker. I take care of myself.
I ran hard when I was in the wrestling game.
I ran hard and I ran fast. It's just the
way I lived. I won't speak about anybody else, but
you know, uh yeah, I love wine. I love my beer.
(17:08):
I've been in a beer business with Elsie gun No
brun coming He since twenty fifteen, and I love a
good bourbon.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, I just fire a waiter.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Are you sure they bring them a beer? Anyway?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Look at it.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Whine is good, man, Wine is good after a race
when you had a couple of beers and this is
that that that final drink for you hit.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
The hey Zema with a job.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
That was the thing when it first came out. Oh yeah,
well they're still around.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
I don't know, I.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Hope not.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
I'm just kidding you were you were in a few
movies with Adam Sandler? What was What was he like?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
I always tell people that's the nicest guy I ever
met in Hollywood. And I didn't do Hollywood. I lived
in uh, you know, in uh Marina del Rey, in
the Venice area, So I didn't go to parties. I
didn't go to the Hollywood Hills. I didn't do none
of that shit. I just wasn't my scene. I was
an athlete. We were talking early before we started rolling cameras,
and we start talking about the artistry of some of
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the guys that you've interviewed. But man, those actors are
a little different, you know. I don't mean it a
bad way. I just mean they're different than an athlete.
They're wired different and or I'm wired differently than they are.
Adam Sandler was the funniest, nicest guy I've ever worked with,
and I've enjoyed each time I've gotten to work with him.
He's a super guy, a sweetheart.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I'm not gonna mention any names. I don't expect you
to either, But there are times in my career profession
I have to work with people I don't enjoy working
with It's just part of what we do. But you
gotta fake it, you know. I feel, especially if it's
like a boss will be like, I need you to
have this person on the show. It doesn't often do that,
but I'm like, I don't really like them, but I'm
gonna bring them in. I'm gonna work with them. We're
gonna make it work for me. That's difficult, but I
(18:50):
can fake it. What is it like having to be
do a job so intimate and you just don't like
the person you're working with and you're wrestling with them.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Those were so few and far between. I always got
along with pretty much everybody, and I and I and
you could go talk to anybody that's ever worked with
me and maybe they might have a different opinion. But
I've seen some guys that that were outstanding workers, but
they were kind of at odds with each other, and
when they got in the ring, it didn't click because
(19:22):
there were some animosity. But I was. I meant, for
some reason, I've always gotten along with just about it,
damn near everybody I've ever worked with. Now there's some
guys whose style is so different and that you knew
was going to be a difficult task.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Mean you still liked them as humans?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they were stylistically so different.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Yeah, but yeah, and there was there was. There was
very few people that I disliked.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Who in your career. And I tell you why I
asked this. I remember, and if I'm wrong on the facts,
please correct me. I remember w CW you were still
Stunning Steve. And when I was really young, I loved
Ricky the Dragon steam modes awesome. I here he was
a really great guy too, never never met him, and
he was maybe the US champion. He had the belt,
(20:05):
but he his backer, I don't know if it was
real or not. And he had to give you the
belt and and and so he was like, I can't wrestle,
So you got the belts as Stunning Steve. And I
remember thinking, man, that would be so cool to be
in the ring with Ricky the Dragon Steamboat. Aside from
whatever the storyline there was then, who were those guys?
And one could have been Ricky Steamboat? Who are those guys?
When you came up and the first time you got
(20:26):
to actually professionally be a peer that you were like,
this is freaking awesome.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Well, I was wrestling with Ricky the Dragon Steamboat and
I think I was in the turnbuckle. He was on
the second rope and he was punching me and I
pushed him off and he landed on his back. I
believe that's that That was one. That was how he
got one of his bad back injuries. And Ricky the
Dragon Steamboat was awesome, probably one of the best ever
(20:51):
for sure. Uh what was.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
The question, like, who did you get to work with me?
Like this is you were young, but you're like, this
is sick. I get to be in the ring with
this person.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
I looked up, well, Rick Flair because people kind of
saw me as maybe being the next Rick Flair because
I was modeling this four I had my neck injury
down to WCW. You know, I was kind of modeling
my style after Rick because to me, he had the
ultimate pro wrestling style. And I'll never forget. We were
at a TV tape and down there South Carolina or
somewhere like that, and it was me, Rick and somebody
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against three other guys, and I'm thinking, man, I'm gonna
show this motherfucker what's up. And all of a sudden
Rick tags in and I see him go to work.
Of course, I'm a lifelong fan. And when you're standing
on an apron and you're watching a guy, and that
was at eighteen by eighteen ring in WCW, but all
of a sudden, when you're watching the man do his thing,
you're like, fuck this, I got a long way to go.
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But it was awesome to be in a ring with
him because it was like a head's up called like,
okay man, this is kind of you need to step
up your game a whole lot more than you thought
you did. And I would never say that I ever
reached Rick Flair status in the ring at all, because
I consider him the goat. But we're working with a
guy like that, Hey Morgan, with Ravishing, Rick Rude. But
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working with any of those guys that had any names
was always fun to me. But also, yeah, I really
didn't look at it like that way. After a few
years in the business, or even after a few months
in the business, you're just saying, okay, man, these guys
are just just like me. It might be more well known,
but there's really it's not a big deal.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Hang tight. The Bobby Cast will be right back.
Speaker 9 (22:36):
Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
We have Sarah Evans at number eight. Super successful career,
super public life, but in the midst of it, she
was dealing with some really difficult things and she talked
about that. Here's Sarah Evans, we have her at number eight.
It's from episode four forty two.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
My life has been on display since I got my
record deal with our at twenty four and I went
through a very public divorce after having three small children.
My baby wasn't even a year old when I filed
for divorce. I was on Dancing with the Stars during
that time. So my life has always been a very
open book and in some ways, but then in some
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ways I've been able to maintain some privacy. A lot
of that is because we raised the kids in Birmingham, Alabama,
in Mountain Brook, which is a close to Birmingham. So
I divorced my first husband. That was so public. There
were so many lies told and just you know how
it goes, I mean, rumors and people think they know.
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And so then I Mary Jay. We had a really
really fast courtship. You know, we fell head over hills,
madly in love, so much passion, so much you know,
love for each other and just you're my best friend,
You're my person, and I just couldn't believe that I
that that had happened to me because I also spent
(24:01):
my childhood from age twelve on chasing after my father
because he was a great person but a terrible divorced dad.
And so I definitely have you know, quote daddy issues,
and so I'm always thinking wrongly about what love is
(24:23):
and what I deserve. Also being one of seven kids
and being the one who made it when all my
siblings are musically talented, they're great. I've always had a
sense of guilt that I carry for why did I
get rich? Why did I get famous? Why did I
and not my siblings? But at the same time, I'm
the one who worked my ass for it?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Right yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 10 (24:46):
Left home me. That's what WARNI flies about.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
That song is about me leaving home and loving my
home but knowing that I've got to leave my family
come here and do this. And one brother that came
with me and he became just as successful as a musician.
So so there's all that going on in my head.
I meet Jay and he is so attentive, he's so
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you know, buying me gifts all the time, and and
like I said, our courtship was very fast.
Speaker 10 (25:13):
We our first date was October.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Third, and we were married in June of that same
year of two thousand and eight. So there's a song
on the album called Mask where I talk about you know,
you weren't him, meaning you weren't my ex husband. So
that's what drew me because you were the opposite of that.
What happened is Jay he has his own set of
(25:38):
issues like we all do, you know, psychologically, And so
I grew up very old fashioned, like I said, on
a farm in Missouri, where you know, women are submissive
to their husbands, women do all the you know, in
domestic where although my mother worked out on the farm
as well, on a tractor all the time. But my granny,
for instance, who was my idol, was just do over
(26:00):
my papa and all of us. And so that's what
I grew up thinking. You know, you've got to be
this way. And I also enjoy that because it's a
good juxtaposition of being famous and then.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Like now you enjoy it because it's so crazy on
one side that you need that balance. Yeah, then your
only model was that, It sounds like growing up that
was the only model you knew that.
Speaker 10 (26:24):
Was the only model I knew.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Yes, and on the road, if I wanted my tour
manager to find me a brown and white spotted cow
and sit it in front of the bus just so
I can look at it all day before my show, like,
he would have to do that.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
A live one.
Speaker 10 (26:38):
A live one, yeah, for sure, I wouldn't want to
be dead.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
But no, like a plastic one. When I meant not
a dead one.
Speaker 10 (26:44):
A real one.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I got a real cow.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Yeah, I mean whatever I wanted. If if I wanted
it to be plastic, he would have to do that.
Because I have a team, and so at home I
like to be like Hannah Montana. I'm handed Montana here,
but at home, I'm just Sarah and mom and wife.
And I think I have always felt the need to
really make up for, you know, being.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
H being doted on the way I'm doted on.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
Hank Tight. The Bobby Cast will be right back and
we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Do you feel guilty that you're so celebrated outwardly everywhere
people that don't really know you. They know a little
bit about you, but you know, you play a show.
It's happy for me. It was a struggle i'd play
a theater do stand up. I'll be like, I'm I'll
go back to my room by myself, and I'll be like, well,
I'm by myself. And this kind of sucks now, but
now at all. I got married two years ago now,
(27:48):
but now I have a wife, and like, I come
home and I got a freaking load the dishwasher and
I hate it. But at the same time, it actually
makes me value what's important, like the real Yeah, it's
like drags me back to the real things and helped
me evaluate life.
Speaker 10 (28:01):
A little more exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
So you're you're dealing.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
With that, yes, thinking, And you know Jay struggled with
so you know, he played football Alabama. He was the quarterback,
won the National Championship in ninety two, went on to
play in the NFL, played for the CFL. He's been
concussed severely.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Seven times that he knows about.
Speaker 10 (28:25):
That he knows about twice where he was.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Be careful in that ches there twice.
Speaker 10 (28:32):
Where he was unconscious. So and then he.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
In the same way that I have father issues, he
also has mother issues. And his father passed away when
he was very young. When he was in the Columbine
actually for the NFL. His dad died of a heart attack.
His dad was his best friend, his like kind of
protector against everybody who wanted to get at him for
being the national championship quarterback at Alabama, which was like
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Elvis down there. So when he met me and realized
that I was super submissive and you know, total family
woman and that the career was just my job, but
I didn't let it go to my head and all that,
he just you know, would brag on me and like,
you're the best mom I've ever met. I can't even
believe what a great mom you are. Your children are fabulous,
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You're such a great person.
Speaker 10 (29:25):
You're the best singer in the world.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Like just so you know, all all things that are true,
by the way, but he treated me like a queen.
And then and he had also never drank until he
was in his mid thirties, because when we were dating,
I was like, really, you've never drank. And I'm not
a big drinker, like my kids have never seen me drunk.
(29:50):
But I was like, well, what do you do at
the beach, Like that's weird and not go.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I've never had a drink. That's why I hate the beach.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
You've never had a drink. You've never drank No, Okay,
that's how Jay was when we met.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
And I hate the beach because what do I do
with the beach? Right, Yeah, maybe that's why I hate
the beach because I always like so much a light. Yeah,
I was like, no, I've never had a drink of
alcohol because I come out come from drug abuse and
alcohol abuse, and I don't understand the beach. That makes
sense for the first time ever. Yeah, that's what you're
supposed to do. Yeah, drink.
Speaker 10 (30:18):
We've made so many like.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, I know we're we're best friends and we're best
frien Yeah.
Speaker 10 (30:23):
Yeah they are. So I probably won't sue you now,
but anyway.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I'm still going to sue you for the chair though. Anyway,
go ahead, and yeah, I continue on.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
So, then he tried alcohol, and alcohol was you know,
it isn't good for him. It does run in his
family mother's side, but he never experienced because his grandfather
passed away when Jay was really young, so he didn't
ever see that side of of his mom's dad being
(30:55):
abusive and being an alcoholic. So I think that and
Jay also has add really bad. Like I said, he's
been concussed so many times, so he I always say
that he's an amazing man who made some really really
bad decisions. So after a little while into our marriage,
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abuse came into our marriage, and I didn't want to
put my kids through another divorce.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
I was so in love with Jay, and.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
It takes a long time before you realize what's going on,
like am.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
I being abused? Or was that was that verbal abuse?
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Or you know, you kind of but at the same time,
you know, you just kind of want to hope that
it changes. Or then I began what they call like
managing his behavior, trying never to be you know, too
big for him, like as far as because I have
(32:04):
a big personality, and so I noticed a lot of
things about myself were changing to suit him and to
make sure that he was always happy with me.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I mean, it sounds a bit like you're falling into
a codependency place just so yes, you two could function
in your mind in the most healthy way.
Speaker 10 (32:21):
That is exactly right.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
I'm very codependent, and part of it is having six siblings.
So I've I've never been alone. I've never you know,
I don't think I've ever went through a time in
my life where I was sleeping alone or living alone
because it was either always a sibling or a spouse
and so and I got married very young the first time.
Speaker 10 (32:42):
Anyway.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Uh So, once you really do realize, then the process
for me was I started reading everything about anything I
could get my hands on, like, you know, what does
this mean when this happens? And that really started getting
my mind going into you know, this is bad, like
(33:08):
what we're dealing with is bad. But it never ever
happened in front of anybody. The kids didn't know. He
never even so much as looked sideways at them, raised
his voice to them. He is an amazing father, and
he's an amazing husband, an amazing person. But alcohol, I
just don't think goes well with his chemistry, makeup or whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
At number seven Terry Clark. Now, this is episode four
thirty seven. Terry's really cool. One of my favorite nineties
country artists. We talked about over twenty years of music
that you know, she's been making it and she'd drive
from Canada to Nashville. She did that a bunch. Took
her eight years to land a record deal. How her
mom influenced her career. Terry Clark here at number seven
(33:53):
on the best Bobby Cast of the year.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Why do you think you were so passionate about it?
Who were you trying to.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
It?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Maybe impress isn't the word. Who were you trying to
make proud? Was it yourself? Was it somebody back home? Like?
Who was it for you? Question?
Speaker 8 (34:09):
Nobody's ever asked me that.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Because that hunger just doesn't come out at that ear right.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
It doesn't. I moved around a lot as a kid,
and I had i'd say, a challenging relationship with my stepfather,
not a super close relationship with my biological father. I mean,
we're fine in everything, but I had some I had
some tougher times growing up, and I think music was
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that one thing that anchored me in a way and
gave me that security and that confidence that I didn't
have anywhere else. And I became so obsessed with it,
and there was also a burning desire I'll show you thing.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yeah, no, I don't know my real dad. I met
him once, if you years ago, So I definitely understand
that because that was a driver for me too. It
was like, wait, I'll show you why you really missed
out on not being my dad like that. That was
a part of it for me too.
Speaker 8 (35:12):
I think a lot of us have something driving us
other than just a love for what we do, that
that that sparks that that starts that fire.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Yeah, I would agree. The consistency that you know you
said music was just there, you know, whenever you have
a really inconsistent life childhood like I did, like you did,
when you do have that one or two thing like
my grandma was so consistent with me when she was
with My grandma adopted me for a while too, when
you know my mom was gone and or my dad was.
(35:43):
But anything that had consistency, like I still hold on to,
Like I'm the biggest Arkansas Razorback sports fan, but it's
because I knew every Saturday, it didn't matter where I
was living, there was going to be a game and
I could look forward to it. It's going to be
on for it's on free television. So that was consistent
for me. There was music that was consistent for me
(36:04):
because my life wasn't hot. There was no consistency about
it at all, and so that why it's why today
I still like hold a hond to those things. It's
even like the people were talking about Innerygod that we
felt like we're famous when we were kids while we
still Yeah, I feel like it's so cool.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
There's a comfort in the consistency of something like that.
And I said earlier in another situation something that really
kind of struck me, because you know, your career ebbs
and flows, and you have ups and downs, and you
have self doubt, and even with success comes that, well,
(36:43):
I'm not I'm not the top of everybody's mind anymore,
and you have to you know, with that comes a
little of that, you know, and you have to kind
of navigate that emotionally, and it's not as easy as
people would think it is. But you know, and I
think a lot of artists go through that, this period
of do I matter enough to keep doing this anymore?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Oh? First, I doing relevancy issues.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
Relevancy, Yes, we can have a whole therapy.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I live in relevancy landwork. It's like me too, I'm
not relevant anymore. This is totally How do you deal
with that?
Speaker 8 (37:15):
I'll tell you how I deal with that. This year,
it kind of it was. It was an epiphany that
came to me and I started thinking back, and I
started going way back and remembering that hunger, that kid,
that woke up to watch This Week in Country Music
and sat for hours and hours in her bedroom, singing
and learning new songs, dreaming about Nashville, crying because she
(37:38):
wanted to just be in Nashville, just wanted a shot,
wanted to be on the radio so bad I could
taste it, And I'm like, I can't give up on
that kid. I would feel like I was betraying her
if I just did that.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
What's wild about you saying this? Is that me ten
thousand feet up looking at you and your career. I
would see you and go, man, everybody loves her massive success.
You would just think, but I think this is common
right around the room with whomever. I would just think,
(38:13):
that's the one person that doesn't deal with imposter syndrome
or relevancy. And but it just shows you it almost
doesn't matter. It's like the screw loose that got us
here is still the screw loose now that affects us
in a slightly different way. And I think the.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
Danger zone to that is playing the comparison.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Game too big time, because you can never win.
Speaker 8 (38:37):
Because relevancy is only relevant compared to who's doing something
more like and there's always going to be somebody doing
something or getting more opportunities than you're getting, or or
being recognized more than you are. And you know, sometimes
you feel like you're spending your reels because you're working
your ass off, and you're just like, does anybody care?
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Right? Does anybody care at all? Will they ever care? Again?
Speaker 8 (39:00):
And then if you if you express that to somebody,
they're like, they don't understand, sin, how could you?
Speaker 11 (39:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (39:05):
Yeah, it's just yeah, it's part of being human, and
it's that affliction, well, the human affliction.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
And even as that creative, it's you know, if I
have friends at work and most of my friends aren't creatives,
which I think is a big deal. It's good for
me because they can kind of give me a bit
of a realistic view on what's really important in life.
And you know, with those I can't really go, well,
here's the thing, here's why I'm I'm upset. You know
(39:30):
this show, the stand up show I did you know?
I did. I did announce the tour twelve shows and it
only sold eighty percent, And They're like, are you how
is that upsetting to you? And I'm like, we don't understand.
Like last time, I sold every theater and now I'm sorry,
and so at the same as trivial as it is,
you'd still like to have someone that can relate to
(39:51):
it and go, I get it same but instead of
just but yeah, you know, because a lot of my
friends are on the industry, like why are you whining?
Your theaters are almost sold? And it's like nobody don't understand.
Like I do a big time with imposters, but when
I do. I finally have a couple of friends too
now in the industry. One of my closest friends and
(40:12):
is a guy named Ben Rector. Who do you know?
Ben Is?
Speaker 10 (40:18):
Can I tell him this.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Is he doing? Is he doing your project? Yeah, he'll
be over in like thirty minutes, and.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
Like, but we can't really get into a project too much.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
But I know I can't.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I don't know him, it's.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
All Ben is one of my best friends. We work
out here at the house three times a week, but
is absolutely and I think I get anxious. We have
like an anxious three. We could be like a wrestling
me Brett Eldridge and Ben Rector.
Speaker 8 (40:51):
I get I can see you all being exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Yeah, we just called if it's on like ticket a
release day or something. It's like, you're doing all right, man,
I don't know and I'm watching it's they go on
someone in six minutes, don't watch, don't watch the live,
just check back in at night. Don't worry about it.
But we all have to have those friends that could rely.
They can relate. It's really important, yes, and it's also
(41:13):
important to have friends it can't relate at all, and
there's got to be about like that has to be
my wife, not in the business. That is what to
me helped the Hey, am I still relevant because she
just doesn't care in the best way. And it drives
me crazy sometimes too, because I'm like, don't you care?
If she's like, I know you care, So I care,
But that's not that important. Like you're doing what you love.
(41:36):
It's gonna be sometimes, gonna be great. Sometimes it's not
going to be great. You're just gonna keep going. And
so that's very valuable too. Who is that for you?
Speaker 8 (41:44):
Oh gosh? I have Okay, So I have friends that
I have had my entire life since.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
I was twelve from home.
Speaker 8 (41:51):
Yeah, from home, and we're still very very close. And
then I have a few friends that I made in
Nashville right after I moved here, like in nineteen ninety,
who are also my other very best friends. None of
them are in the business.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
The Originals too, Originals.
Speaker 8 (42:04):
I went to school with them. They are they have businesses,
they're school teachers, they're social workers. It's very important. And
then and then I have the Pamtilist and Susie Bogus, Perio,
Riba and Tricia. Let we all get together and we
can we can kind of bounce these insecurities off of
each other, and we more so me, I think. But
(42:25):
I look to them especially like Uhriba and and and Susie,
I would say, because I look to them like big
sisters who have been through it all. And it doesn't
matter how big the star is. Everybody has had their
moments I think where they've experienced something that they can go, hey,
you know, and I can go, what did you do
in this instance? Or like like, you've got to have
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some of that too. But I think the balance is
I'm glad you have that too.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
I love that you have your history.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
Friends that have nothing to do with any of it,
and then you have of the people who have been
there who can help help you kind of navigate the
complicated emotional waters that we live in.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Yeah, or just like swim beside me, even if it's
not navigating. Yeah, because there are times where Bin's like
I don't know either, and we're just like, okay, well
we don't know together, you know, because it is it's
a weird to get into a business where you are
going to make a living creating something that you think
is good enough for people to pay their money to watch.
(43:31):
Because at the same time, you could be the most
humble person, but if you don't have a bit of
confidence even in the ego about what and it is
a weird juxtaposition of at times I have no confidence
at all, and at the same time I'd have all
the confidence in the world to create something, to do
a stage show, to do, a radio show, to do
and expect people to give me their time and money
for what I'm creating.
Speaker 8 (43:53):
The most complicated part about it is it's all appear
like and that sometimes will will be the one factor
that defines whether you go out there and kill it
or don't, because it's all in your mind.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
You ever get it's all sad at seats that weren't sold.
Oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
I think everybody does. And I gotta tell you, every
single night I walk out there, it's not a given
in my brain that there's going to be anybody out there.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
I swear to God. It's just crazy for me to
hear you say that. By the way, it's crazy for
me to hear you say.
Speaker 8 (44:24):
That, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
At number six on the list is Hillary Scott from
Lady A. Hillary was super vulnerable and she shared how
she wrote a song about her having a miscarriage and
how her faith has kept her going. There's Hillary Scott
from episode four thirty two.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Chris Tomlin is another example who I love that dude.
And I asked him if there was pressure, And this
is going to lead to the question I'm asking you.
I asked him if there was pressure because and my
wife when I you know, she's not super into the industry,
or she's not in it at all, but she doesn't
like care that much. She was like Christopher, we sang
(45:09):
all Is hymn to church, and I was like, well,
were you just saying Rock of Ages basically? You know
all of ours were him? Yes, But I asked him
if there was a pressure on him to be so
godlike because that's how everyone knows him, because he's he's
a normal human. And I'd found myself talking about a
(45:31):
Christmas party we were having and I invited him over
and it was like, not real money, but we were
we were had vegas set up and what we were
doing was donating to whomever won that night to their charity.
And I was going to invite him and I was like,
I'm not inviting him. It's gambling. And it was exactly
what he told me that he did not want people
to do to him. And so then I said, Chris,
I'm so sorry I didn't invite you. Now I'm inviting
you again because it's fun. So he lives with this
(45:53):
wonderful but constant pressure of people to think he has
to be godlike all the time. Do you feel the
pressure on you, as a public person and even a Christian,
an open Christian to always present we'll just say a
good mood.
Speaker 11 (46:07):
Oh, I mean there's definite pressure, for sure, I think.
But to me, what I am so grateful for about
my relationship with God and my faith is that there
there's a scripture that talks about when we are weak
He is strong, So in our weaknesses, in our vulnerability,
(46:28):
we actually connect deeper. We see how much we need him,
Others see that we don't have it all together. I mean,
I've heard it said so many times and it's so profound,
and it's like church needs to be more like a hospital,
like then a country club where you show up all
buttoned up and presenting a certain way.
Speaker 10 (46:48):
It's like, no, we're all broken wanting to come.
Speaker 11 (46:50):
Together for the same reason, to receive the peace and
the comfort and the grace and mercy of God, you know.
And so I do definitely feel that pressure. But ironically,
when you do share publicly or privately the hard things
you're going through, that's.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
When you really connect with absolutely.
Speaker 11 (47:11):
I mean truly, Like that is where I've had the
most just oh, the most rewarding conversations, the most rewarding
DMS conversations.
Speaker 10 (47:22):
With people on Instagram.
Speaker 11 (47:23):
I mean it's just so to not be afraid to
say what's really going on.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
I can ask you what and I'll share one with
you too, so you don't feel alone here, but can
ask you, like an example of that something that you
would have spoken about that was difficult for you because
I felt a lot of shame in mind, but I
didn't realize that other people were writing alongside me with
their own version of it. So what would an example
of that be for you?
Speaker 11 (47:48):
I mean, one of the biggest was something that I
still grieve every day, which is the miscarriage we had
in between Isley and my twin girls, and just how
it as I Will walked through and Chris and I
walked through that experience, there was a big, you know,
moment of like, are we going to share this? Are
we going to But then when the only way I
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knew to pursue healing and just kind of keep moving
was to write about it became a song. And then
it was a song that I knew. I was like,
I think people really need to hear this.
Speaker 6 (48:21):
And so.
Speaker 10 (48:23):
It was.
Speaker 11 (48:23):
It was that experience and one that continues to come
up to the stay you know, that record came out,
that song came out in twenty sixteen, and I still
feel like when people come up to me, whether it's
in the grocery store or to meet and greet, it's
always it's always brought up.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
Were you surprised that that is what people attached through
so strongly and that people still attached to it even
seven years or so later.
Speaker 10 (48:52):
I think it.
Speaker 11 (48:53):
It doesn't surprise me because one in four women one
and four pregnancies, not women one and four pregnancies and
in miscarriage. So the statistics are so high that and
not a lot of people know that that's how often
it happens. So that's a whole lot of people, that's
a whole lot of women, that's a whole lot of families.
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So I think that specific experience in the women and
the families that I hear from who've experienced that exact thing,
it isn't shocking. Now the other stories around the song,
where it's met others in other ways, in different hardships
in their life. Those always, I mean, they all touch
(49:36):
my heart.
Speaker 10 (49:36):
They all just humble me and.
Speaker 11 (49:41):
Are very very priceless to me to be invited into
those stories. But some of the ones that are about
other things are the ones that like lay.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
Me out in the floor. When I wrote my first book,
I was I don't know how to write a book.
I mean I'd written some stuff, but never a book.
And I thought no one would want to read a
book for me anyway, And I thought I'm just gonna
write everything, and then whatever I'm too ashamed of, I'm
going to pull out. But I'm going to as and
you probably deal with this writing you know, a song,
(50:09):
a three minute version of this, but one hundred times.
And so I wrote this book and it was a
lot of my insecurity is a lot of what we
all suffer through. But I wrote about my mom a lot.
And my mom's not alive anymore. She died when she
was forty seven or so. She died from basically drug abuse,
drug and alcohol abuse, and it had gotten so bad
with her. And it was some heavy drugs like meth.
And I'm from Arkansas and it's it's poverty there, right,
(50:33):
and like I never quite understood until I got older,
but my mom had got so wrapped up in it
that she would call and need money, and you know,
she had started to go, well, I'm going to do
porn and when your mom calls and tells you that,
and I was and I remember writing that story and
I was so I was so ashamed, and I was
(50:56):
going to take it out. And I don't know why
I didn't, because I never had the thought, I'll leave
it in, it'll connect. I don't know how it lasted
and landed. But I'm telling you, when I'll tour and
do stand up, you want to know people talk to
me about how it's not exactly the same, but everybody
will come up. Not everybody, but I like people come
(51:18):
up and go, I'm so glad you said this, because
nobody says that addiction affects them in ways like this.
Speaker 9 (51:23):
Yes, and.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
Even now. I mean, I wrote that book six seven
years ago, Like I couldn't believe that that was the connector.
I thought, I'll write some funny stories, people will enjoy it,
I'll write a but of everything that I wrote, I
was most ashamed of a lot of the stuff that
I had gone through in that part of my life
and my world. But that was the that was the
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really the connector of all and I couldn't believe it.
But it also shows me that the more raw and
open you are, the more you're actually relatable. And I
did not think that was the case.
Speaker 11 (52:02):
And I think the other beautiful benefit for you sharing it,
and or at least for me for sharing it, is
the freedom you feel because there was something in me
with my story, Like if I had withheld that information,
I would have really felt like I was moving through
my life in not the most honest way that I could,
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and that I would be numbing some part of myself
and that just didn't feel authentic. And so as scary
as it was, I felt free.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
Did you feel when you were writing, when you're doing
the music, because this is a bit how I felt too,
like I had. Reliving it was kind of hard.
Speaker 11 (52:42):
Yes, yes, absolutely well in writing it. I mean I
was in the middle of miscarring when I wrote the song,
so it was very much like I'm in this right
now talking about it right now. So as it got recorded,
and then the times that I've I've performed it, we're
saying it in church. It's definitely been a different experience
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remembering it, still feeling it deeply, but not like I
was when.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Okay, that was part one of the Top ten Bobby
Cast of twenty twenty four. We got the rest the
Top five coming up next week. I also want to
mention a few other ones. Go listen to Jackson, dene
Zach Top, Marcus King and those probably didn't make it
because we did them so late in the year, but
those were awesome episodes. If you missed any, just searched
the Bobby Cast also type in the artists that you
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want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (53:34):
You'll find it. Boom, it'll pop up there.
Speaker 12 (53:36):
All right, Have good week everybody.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
Speaker 12 (54:13):
Mm hmm
Ladies and gentlemen. We are experiencing technical difficulties. This is
the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well, if we have reached the end of the year,
so that means it's time to go through the best episodes.
Stuff you may have miss, stuff that I think you'll like.
It's the top ten Bobby Casts of the year. These
were either the most downloaded episodes or they had the
most interaction on social media from you guys. I was
able to sit down with some really cool people. Are
conversations a lot of times are raw and real, also
a lot of laughs, some very vulnerable moments as well.
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And let's kick it off now at number ten Don Felder,
formerly of the Eagles, which was pretty crazy to sit
down with one of the guys that was one of
the Eagles and wrote Hotel California, and he talked about that,
and he also talked about high wrote some of the
other hits. So at first, let's go Don Felder from
so four to seventy one. He comes in at number ten.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I met this guy named Stephen Stills who had left
somewhere in Florida there was a military academy like a
military school high school. Who had run away from high school.
And this is way before he was Steven Stills, Like
you just met. That's just as a civilian, regular guy
you meet Steven Stills.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
He and I and Tom Petty and Bernie Ledden all
went to the same high school. So when we were
before we got to high school, he was in Gainesville
and he played in this band with me called the Continentals,
which a continental That thing was like really cool, you know.
So anyway, so we started playing, but teen time dances,
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we wouldn't have really didn't get paid.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
It was just for the fun.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Of being on the stage in a pa and playing
and having a good time. But I think the first
time we got played Steven paid. Stephen and I got
in a car and my mom drove us to this
little women's organization tea party where they have those little
finger sandwiches and drink tea and stuff, and Steve and
I would just play acoustic guitar for these women. I
think we got ten dollars or something. We made five
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bucks apiece, you know, And from there it really wasn't
ever about the money, to tell you the truth. It
was just the love of playing and figuring out music
and how does this work, and how do you write songs?
And how do you know? I would get Mill Bay
guitar books and learn chords from El Bay and just
kind of self educated all the way along.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
At what point, because you're talking about three absolute hall
of famers, not even just like traditional sense rock and
roll hall of fame, but like the greatest ever do
anything musically with Steven Stills and Tom Petty and yourself.
Do you guys all know you want to do it solo?
Why'd you break up the band? Like that? Feels like
a pretty solid band on.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Well, Steven left as soon as he graduated from high school.
He was one year ahead of me. He left and
moved to California, and I didn't see him until quite
a few years later. I think he graduated in sixty four.
Was it to do music though?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
When he left?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Was he like, I'm gonna go do music or was
he just moving to California to see what happened?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
He knew that was his destiny. He got out to California.
It wasn't happening in the Southeast, it wasn't happening in
New York. It was happening in California. So he was
magnificently drawn out to California. And the next time I
heard him was I was laying in bed one night
and the radio was on and I heard For what
(03:29):
It's Worth and I went, God, that voice sounds really FAMI,
I know who is that? And they said it was
Buffalo Springfield. And I went and figured out who Buffalo
Springfield was. Was released Stephen? And then the next time
I actually saw him physically, he was on stage at
Woodstock and I was in the crowd and I went,
that's Stephen. Still, what'stock?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So you were there watching, Yeah, and you see your
friend on stage nineteen sixty nine?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
What'stock?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
That's right? That's crazy?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Was Whatstock for you as a fan?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Was it like wild and muddy and everything that we
see or did you get the good version of it?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I had enough fourth site to actually have gone to
Woodstock with a guy who owned what it's called now
a travel all. It's like the predecessor to a suburban.
It had box doors on the back that open, so
we put a mattress in the back because it's out
just in the middle of nowhere, right, and we brought
an ice chest with drinks and food and we were
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got there a day early, and we backed in so
we could open those doors towards the stage even if
it was pouring rain. We had shelter, we would trying
a comfy place to sleeve food with it. And then
it was just great because I saw some of the
most important, I think influential musicians in the history of rock.
I saw Jimmy Hendricks, I saw Carlos Santana, saw Crosby Stills,
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Nash and young Grateful Dad just on an on Jana's
job for three solid days. It was probably the best
music event that ever exploded on the planet. It just
resonated all over the world. And as a matter of fact,
I wrote a song about it on my last record
about how that event went on to influence decades after decades,
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after decades of young people that love rock and roll
and wanted to learn to play like that little ten
year old in Texas and became famous decade after decade
after decade. Is called American rock and Roll. That's the
title of my last album, And that song is about
being at Woodstock and seeing the beginning of it.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
When you were at Woodstock and you're watching these great
artists and you're inspired, but you were in the midst
of the early part of your music career at the
same time. Did you have a healthy professional jealousy or
would you have been like me about, like I should.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Be up there, this sucks. I would say both. It
was dependent on how much I was smoking at the time.
If I was spoking, I was pretty mellow about it.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
See, I think I would have been completely jealous the
whole time. But that's really cool that, like, you turn
to be really one of America's great musicians, but you
were also there as a fan, probably at what was
our greatest music event. Yeah, because you have that perspective
of being a fan and watching it as well.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Man, I just think about how muddy it was, and
he was in a freaking suburban. He was covered like
he was a d Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Don so.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
You know, I always hear about the California sound. Back then,
you talked about that a little bit, and everyone was
going to California to make music. But in the sixties,
you know, you think about California's Beach Boys. The Beach
Boys had the California sound. In the seventies, you guys
had the California sound. Did you ever think about that.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Well, yeah, because there was nobody except for Bernie Leaden
that was in the Eagles, that was from California. Don
Hinley was from Texas. I was from Florida. Joe Walsh
later joined. I think he was from Detroit, or so
Glenn was from Detroit. There was nobody in the band
that had the California sound, but we somehow managed to
be given the title of the new California Sound in
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the seventies.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, and you embraced it.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You felt like, even though you know, not really a
band full of Californians, like, would you guys California sound?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Well, we were making music in California, you know. So
I do have to say that when the band first,
even before I joined at Bernie Leden was a brilliantly
gifted country musician. He played unbelievable flat top guitar, the best,
one of the best five string banjo players I've ever
seen in my life. He played pedal steel, he played mandolin.
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He was just he loved country music. You listen to
those first couple of early records, that's a really heavy
influence coming from Bernie and all of those tracks. Right,
So there was the birth of what I thought was
early country rock music in those tracks. Later when I
joined the band, everybody wanted to move except for Bernie.
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Wanted to move from country rock to more midstream AM
rock and roll radio, and so that's why I was
brought in. They kind of put a harder ridge on
everything that led it out of country.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
How was it joining a group that was already a group?
What's that dynamic like?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Well, it was interesting because Bernie and I had been
friends since high school. We had Bernie replaced Steven Stills
in the Money Quintet when Steve took off, and so
I'd known him for a long time and he had
given me insights into the dynamics in that band in
quite extensive ways about it always felt like a band
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that was about to break up. So I had no
idea how long If I joined this band two weeks
from now, somebody's going to quit and take off. And
Bernie eventually did quit during the one of These Nights records.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So do you feel like that helped the creative process
or at least made it a like a quirky creative
process that there was always some sort of tension, like
was that were you challenging each other creatively because there
was tension or was it just like it's.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Kind of it's just tough.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I think both. I think there were egos involved. I
think there were song choices involved. I think there was
a battle for who was going to be the front man,
which was really a Glenn Fry originally started being the
front man from the get go. All the songs on
the first record were Glenn Fry songs, big hits, and
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then Don Hinley just kind of roared out of the
background now off the drums, into singing spectacular songs like
WHICHI Woman and Best of My Love and just great,
great songs. His voice was spectacular. So there was always
that struggle between those two guys, even though they were
writing and collaborating together. I was there not to create friction,
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but to help divert whatever their goal was musically directly,
because Don Hiley doesn't write music and Glenn he used
to call himself the claw when he played piano and
it was like he could get through it, but he
really wasn't a pianist. And so between Bernie's influence and
earlier on and then when he finally left and he
(10:14):
left for what I thought was a really good reason,
to tell you the truth, he really wanted to retain
the roots of country in some part of these records,
and they were just where over country, we're going to
move into rock and pop and all this other stuff.
And when Bernie left, they chose to get Joe in
which I love Joe to death. I think he and
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I had some of the best times together of any
time on the road. And not only that, but the
fun we had already been playing together and TV shows
and shows that we opened for Elton John at Dodger
Stadium as Joe Walsh and friends, and so he and
I had already been doing that stuff. So when that
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idea for Hotel California came up Little Beach House, I said,
I had to make an ending on this that Joe
and I could play on so that we could have
So I played a solo kind of like what I
was going to play, and then I'd play something I
thought Joe would try to sound like Joe, and I
was like simulating that thing at the very end of
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the record. It was just always so much fun to
work and play with him, and we inspired each other.
It was like, Okay, you think you can do this,
try this. You know and okay, Trump, let's put a
squeak on this one, and you know, just try to
That was a very loving, fun creative process. A lot
of times it was over lyrics, and Don Helly is
(11:38):
a brilliant lyricist in my opinion. He just you take
a song like Hotel, and each little line is like
a postcard. It's like a picture of the song on
a dark desert highway. You see it cool in my hair.
You can feel it in your hair, the warm smell
you can smell khalid As. He just has a way
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to draw these little pictures that to a great chorus.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Brilliant.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
He's an English literature major and it shows in this writing.
So I have the utmost respect for Don and his
skills that way.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
His voice.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I used to say he could sing the New York
Times telephone book and I'd love it.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I'll buy it platinum, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
At number nine, it's stone cold. Steve Austin from episode
four seventy two probably one of my favorite interviews because
we just went to his ranch and then we talked
for an hour. We talked about his career, what he
does for fun, and you can always go back and
listen to the full episode as well. Now he loves
to cuss. We did not bleep any of it. Heads up.
Here's a clip we put this at number nine. It's
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stone called Steve Boston.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
We used to One of the guys I used to
travel with is one of my closest friends, Diamond Dallas Page.
He was ahead of his time as far as taking
care of his body, and he videotaped all his matches
and I'd be over doing color commentary, you know, while
who's in the ring working and the Sure enough we
get to say shit box motel and we'd hook the
VCR thing up to the TV so we could watch
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his match and say, man, no, don't do this right here?
Do this then? Or do it like this? So we
start critiquing all of his matches, so the same thing. Man,
it's reps in anything, just like with racing east side
by side, just reps. You got to do anything or
whatever whatever it is you're trying to do, You got
to do it over and over and over again to
make improvements.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And you know that are you feeling Are you feeling
fulfilled in your competitive spirit by racing now from what
you were getting from football and then professional wrestling, like,
is it the same feeling of fulfillment?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
I would compare it more to to football rather than wrestling,
just because in wrestling you're in front of such massive crowds,
which meant I've been in front of crowds of twenty
five people, you know, and shit hurts a lot more
with it. Ain't nobody there high drilling, ain't near his eye.
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Just gave me a good swift kick in the ass
before I hit the damn door and make my entrance.
Many a drilline factor is a whole different thing, because man,
when that glass broke, when they wrote that music for me,
they couldn't have wrote a better piece of music for
Stonecold Steve Boston. When that glass breaks, you could be
dragged out for being on the road. Who we used
to live on the road like all that, A lot
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of the artists you talk to. It's a way of life,
and shit happens, and sometimes you're down, and when that
glass breaks and that crowd goes through the roof, it's
an adrenalinst spike that may if you've never felt it,
There's no way I could put it into words to
explain it to you enough. But this racing thing is
more like football because of just I just want to
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compete at something and I want to win, and god
damn it, I ain't gonna win all the time. The
hell I broke down. We had a race a couple
of weeks ago. It was a five hundred and fifty
five mile race, and I broke down at mile mark
or one hundred and had to pull out.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Of the race.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
And that sucked ass because I was on about a
force for race winning streak and my federation that I
run in, and so it's nice when you experience those
highs and you know, it's like anybody can learn how
to win. It's those losses that kicking ass and kind
of ground you and say, Okay, the lows come with
the highs, and the highs go with the lows. So
racing is it? Really? It gives me a lot of satisfaction,
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a lot of fulfillment. And I never knew this, but
last year when I started racing, we're running basically on
just rough ass, you know, roads out here in the desert,
on a two track road and we'd be going straight
down the road and there's rocks and turns and it's
referen hell out there and hell, I just veer off
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the fucking road and end up in the sage brush. Well,
my coal driver's been racing this whole life, and he's calm,
cool and collected, and I'd gather my shit back together
and get on the road and say, hey, man, sorry
about that. We're wired for sounds, so we can talk
to each other. And what had happened was I was thinking,
Hey man, what the fuck? What am I drinking tonight?
I'm gonna have a beer? Am I gonna drink whiskey
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or whatever? As soon as my mind left the task
at hand, which is navigating, you know, through that desert.
And it happened about three or four times that first season,
and racing has taught me to be laser focused, because
as soon as you take your mind off what you're doing,
you will fuck up. And that that's one of the
things I enjoy about it as well, Like the world
can be in a pile of shit right now, but
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if I'm in that race, bug in a race, it
can wait because I'm dealing with what I got to
deal with and trying to get across that finish line
before the other guys.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Do you have a drink wine?
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Yeah? I love wine.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Are people will like, why are you drinking wine? Your
stone cold Steve Bosta, you should only drink beer.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah yeah, I'm a well rounded drinker.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I would just be like answer, shardon a.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Are you sure, mister Austin, I've.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Been around for so long. Now I'll make a post
on instagrams, Oh man, you better wantch you live. He
you've been drinking like motherfucker. I take care of myself.
I ran hard when I was in the wrestling game.
I ran hard and I ran fast. It's just the
way I lived. I won't speak about anybody else, but
you know, uh yeah, I love wine. I love my beer.
(17:08):
I've been in a beer business with Elsie gun No
brun coming He since twenty fifteen, and I love a
good bourbon.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, I just fire a waiter.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Are you sure they bring them a beer? Anyway?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Look at it.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Whine is good, man, Wine is good after a race
when you had a couple of beers and this is
that that that final drink for you hit.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
The hey Zema with a job.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
That was the thing when it first came out. Oh yeah,
well they're still around.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
I don't know, I.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Hope not.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
I'm just kidding you were you were in a few
movies with Adam Sandler? What was What was he like?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
I always tell people that's the nicest guy I ever
met in Hollywood. And I didn't do Hollywood. I lived
in uh, you know, in uh Marina del Rey, in
the Venice area, So I didn't go to parties. I
didn't go to the Hollywood Hills. I didn't do none
of that shit. I just wasn't my scene. I was
an athlete. We were talking early before we started rolling cameras,
and we start talking about the artistry of some of
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the guys that you've interviewed. But man, those actors are
a little different, you know. I don't mean it a
bad way. I just mean they're different than an athlete.
They're wired different and or I'm wired differently than they are.
Adam Sandler was the funniest, nicest guy I've ever worked with,
and I've enjoyed each time I've gotten to work with him.
He's a super guy, a sweetheart.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I'm not gonna mention any names. I don't expect you
to either, But there are times in my career profession
I have to work with people I don't enjoy working
with It's just part of what we do. But you
gotta fake it, you know. I feel, especially if it's
like a boss will be like, I need you to
have this person on the show. It doesn't often do that,
but I'm like, I don't really like them, but I'm
gonna bring them in. I'm gonna work with them. We're
gonna make it work for me. That's difficult, but I
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can fake it. What is it like having to be
do a job so intimate and you just don't like
the person you're working with and you're wrestling with them.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Those were so few and far between. I always got
along with pretty much everybody, and I and I and
you could go talk to anybody that's ever worked with
me and maybe they might have a different opinion. But
I've seen some guys that that were outstanding workers, but
they were kind of at odds with each other, and
when they got in the ring, it didn't click because
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there were some animosity. But I was. I meant, for
some reason, I've always gotten along with just about it,
damn near everybody I've ever worked with. Now there's some
guys whose style is so different and that you knew
was going to be a difficult task.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Mean you still liked them as humans?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they were stylistically so different.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Yeah, but yeah, and there was there was. There was
very few people that I disliked.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Who in your career. And I tell you why I
asked this. I remember, and if I'm wrong on the facts,
please correct me. I remember w CW you were still
Stunning Steve. And when I was really young, I loved
Ricky the Dragon steam modes awesome. I here he was
a really great guy too, never never met him, and
he was maybe the US champion. He had the belt,
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but he his backer, I don't know if it was
real or not. And he had to give you the
belt and and and so he was like, I can't wrestle,
So you got the belts as Stunning Steve. And I
remember thinking, man, that would be so cool to be
in the ring with Ricky the Dragon Steamboat. Aside from
whatever the storyline there was then, who were those guys?
And one could have been Ricky Steamboat? Who are those guys?
When you came up and the first time you got
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to actually professionally be a peer that you were like,
this is freaking awesome.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Well, I was wrestling with Ricky the Dragon Steamboat and
I think I was in the turnbuckle. He was on
the second rope and he was punching me and I
pushed him off and he landed on his back. I
believe that's that That was one. That was how he
got one of his bad back injuries. And Ricky the
Dragon Steamboat was awesome, probably one of the best ever
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for sure. Uh what was.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
The question, like, who did you get to work with me?
Like this is you were young, but you're like, this
is sick. I get to be in the ring with
this person.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
I looked up, well, Rick Flair because people kind of
saw me as maybe being the next Rick Flair because
I was modeling this four I had my neck injury
down to WCW. You know, I was kind of modeling
my style after Rick because to me, he had the
ultimate pro wrestling style. And I'll never forget. We were
at a TV tape and down there South Carolina or
somewhere like that, and it was me, Rick and somebody
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against three other guys, and I'm thinking, man, I'm gonna
show this motherfucker what's up. And all of a sudden
Rick tags in and I see him go to work.
Of course, I'm a lifelong fan. And when you're standing
on an apron and you're watching a guy, and that
was at eighteen by eighteen ring in WCW, but all
of a sudden, when you're watching the man do his thing,
you're like, fuck this, I got a long way to go.
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But it was awesome to be in a ring with
him because it was like a head's up called like,
okay man, this is kind of you need to step
up your game a whole lot more than you thought
you did. And I would never say that I ever
reached Rick Flair status in the ring at all, because
I consider him the goat. But we're working with a
guy like that, Hey Morgan, with Ravishing, Rick Rude. But
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working with any of those guys that had any names
was always fun to me. But also, yeah, I really
didn't look at it like that way. After a few
years in the business, or even after a few months
in the business, you're just saying, okay, man, these guys
are just just like me. It might be more well known,
but there's really it's not a big deal.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Hang tight. The Bobby Cast will be right back.
Speaker 9 (22:36):
Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
We have Sarah Evans at number eight. Super successful career,
super public life, but in the midst of it, she
was dealing with some really difficult things and she talked
about that. Here's Sarah Evans, we have her at number eight.
It's from episode four forty two.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
My life has been on display since I got my
record deal with our at twenty four and I went
through a very public divorce after having three small children.
My baby wasn't even a year old when I filed
for divorce. I was on Dancing with the Stars during
that time. So my life has always been a very
open book and in some ways, but then in some
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ways I've been able to maintain some privacy. A lot
of that is because we raised the kids in Birmingham, Alabama,
in Mountain Brook, which is a close to Birmingham. So
I divorced my first husband. That was so public. There
were so many lies told and just you know how
it goes, I mean, rumors and people think they know.
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And so then I Mary Jay. We had a really
really fast courtship. You know, we fell head over hills,
madly in love, so much passion, so much you know,
love for each other and just you're my best friend,
You're my person, and I just couldn't believe that I
that that had happened to me because I also spent
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my childhood from age twelve on chasing after my father
because he was a great person but a terrible divorced dad.
And so I definitely have you know, quote daddy issues,
and so I'm always thinking wrongly about what love is
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and what I deserve. Also being one of seven kids
and being the one who made it when all my
siblings are musically talented, they're great. I've always had a
sense of guilt that I carry for why did I
get rich? Why did I get famous? Why did I
and not my siblings? But at the same time, I'm
the one who worked my ass for it?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Right yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 10 (24:46):
Left home me. That's what WARNI flies about.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
That song is about me leaving home and loving my
home but knowing that I've got to leave my family
come here and do this. And one brother that came
with me and he became just as successful as a musician.
So so there's all that going on in my head.
I meet Jay and he is so attentive, he's so
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you know, buying me gifts all the time, and and
like I said, our courtship was very fast.
Speaker 10 (25:13):
We our first date was October.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Third, and we were married in June of that same
year of two thousand and eight. So there's a song
on the album called Mask where I talk about you know,
you weren't him, meaning you weren't my ex husband. So
that's what drew me because you were the opposite of that.
What happened is Jay he has his own set of
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issues like we all do, you know, psychologically, And so
I grew up very old fashioned, like I said, on
a farm in Missouri, where you know, women are submissive
to their husbands, women do all the you know, in
domestic where although my mother worked out on the farm
as well, on a tractor all the time. But my granny,
for instance, who was my idol, was just do over
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my papa and all of us. And so that's what
I grew up thinking. You know, you've got to be
this way. And I also enjoy that because it's a
good juxtaposition of being famous and then.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Like now you enjoy it because it's so crazy on
one side that you need that balance. Yeah, then your
only model was that, It sounds like growing up that
was the only model you knew that.
Speaker 10 (26:24):
Was the only model I knew.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Yes, and on the road, if I wanted my tour
manager to find me a brown and white spotted cow
and sit it in front of the bus just so
I can look at it all day before my show, like,
he would have to do that.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
A live one.
Speaker 10 (26:38):
A live one, yeah, for sure, I wouldn't want to
be dead.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
But no, like a plastic one. When I meant not
a dead one.
Speaker 10 (26:44):
A real one.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I got a real cow.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Yeah, I mean whatever I wanted. If if I wanted
it to be plastic, he would have to do that.
Because I have a team, and so at home I
like to be like Hannah Montana. I'm handed Montana here,
but at home, I'm just Sarah and mom and wife.
And I think I have always felt the need to
really make up for, you know, being.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
H being doted on the way I'm doted on.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
Hank Tight. The Bobby Cast will be right back and
we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Do you feel guilty that you're so celebrated outwardly everywhere
people that don't really know you. They know a little
bit about you, but you know, you play a show.
It's happy for me. It was a struggle i'd play
a theater do stand up. I'll be like, I'm I'll
go back to my room by myself, and I'll be like, well,
I'm by myself. And this kind of sucks now, but
now at all. I got married two years ago now,
(27:48):
but now I have a wife, and like, I come
home and I got a freaking load the dishwasher and
I hate it. But at the same time, it actually
makes me value what's important, like the real Yeah, it's
like drags me back to the real things and helped
me evaluate life.
Speaker 10 (28:01):
A little more exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
So you're you're dealing.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
With that, yes, thinking, And you know Jay struggled with
so you know, he played football Alabama. He was the quarterback,
won the National Championship in ninety two, went on to
play in the NFL, played for the CFL. He's been
concussed severely.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Seven times that he knows about.
Speaker 10 (28:25):
That he knows about twice where he was.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Be careful in that ches there twice.
Speaker 10 (28:32):
Where he was unconscious. So and then he.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
In the same way that I have father issues, he
also has mother issues. And his father passed away when
he was very young. When he was in the Columbine
actually for the NFL. His dad died of a heart attack.
His dad was his best friend, his like kind of
protector against everybody who wanted to get at him for
being the national championship quarterback at Alabama, which was like
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Elvis down there. So when he met me and realized
that I was super submissive and you know, total family
woman and that the career was just my job, but
I didn't let it go to my head and all that,
he just you know, would brag on me and like,
you're the best mom I've ever met. I can't even
believe what a great mom you are. Your children are fabulous,
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You're such a great person.
Speaker 10 (29:25):
You're the best singer in the world.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Like just so you know, all all things that are true,
by the way, but he treated me like a queen.
And then and he had also never drank until he
was in his mid thirties, because when we were dating,
I was like, really, you've never drank. And I'm not
a big drinker, like my kids have never seen me drunk.
(29:50):
But I was like, well, what do you do at
the beach, Like that's weird and not go.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
I've never had a drink. That's why I hate the beach.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
You've never had a drink. You've never drank No, Okay,
that's how Jay was when we met.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
And I hate the beach because what do I do
with the beach? Right, Yeah, maybe that's why I hate
the beach because I always like so much a light. Yeah,
I was like, no, I've never had a drink of
alcohol because I come out come from drug abuse and
alcohol abuse, and I don't understand the beach. That makes
sense for the first time ever. Yeah, that's what you're
supposed to do. Yeah, drink.
Speaker 10 (30:18):
We've made so many like.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, I know we're we're best friends and we're best
frien Yeah.
Speaker 10 (30:23):
Yeah they are. So I probably won't sue you now,
but anyway.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I'm still going to sue you for the chair though. Anyway,
go ahead, and yeah, I continue on.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
So, then he tried alcohol, and alcohol was you know,
it isn't good for him. It does run in his
family mother's side, but he never experienced because his grandfather
passed away when Jay was really young, so he didn't
ever see that side of of his mom's dad being
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abusive and being an alcoholic. So I think that and
Jay also has add really bad. Like I said, he's
been concussed so many times, so he I always say
that he's an amazing man who made some really really
bad decisions. So after a little while into our marriage,
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abuse came into our marriage, and I didn't want to
put my kids through another divorce.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
I was so in love with Jay, and.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
It takes a long time before you realize what's going on,
like am.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
I being abused? Or was that was that verbal abuse?
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Or you know, you kind of but at the same time,
you know, you just kind of want to hope that
it changes. Or then I began what they call like
managing his behavior, trying never to be you know, too
big for him, like as far as because I have
(32:04):
a big personality, and so I noticed a lot of
things about myself were changing to suit him and to
make sure that he was always happy with me.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I mean, it sounds a bit like you're falling into
a codependency place just so yes, you two could function
in your mind in the most healthy way.
Speaker 10 (32:21):
That is exactly right.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
I'm very codependent, and part of it is having six siblings.
So I've I've never been alone. I've never you know,
I don't think I've ever went through a time in
my life where I was sleeping alone or living alone
because it was either always a sibling or a spouse
and so and I got married very young the first time.
Speaker 10 (32:42):
Anyway.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Uh So, once you really do realize, then the process
for me was I started reading everything about anything I
could get my hands on, like, you know, what does
this mean when this happens? And that really started getting
my mind going into you know, this is bad, like
(33:08):
what we're dealing with is bad. But it never ever
happened in front of anybody. The kids didn't know. He
never even so much as looked sideways at them, raised
his voice to them. He is an amazing father, and
he's an amazing husband, an amazing person. But alcohol, I
just don't think goes well with his chemistry, makeup or whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
At number seven Terry Clark. Now, this is episode four
thirty seven. Terry's really cool. One of my favorite nineties
country artists. We talked about over twenty years of music
that you know, she's been making it and she'd drive
from Canada to Nashville. She did that a bunch. Took
her eight years to land a record deal. How her
mom influenced her career. Terry Clark here at number seven
(33:53):
on the best Bobby Cast of the year.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Why do you think you were so passionate about it?
Who were you trying to.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
It?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Maybe impress isn't the word. Who were you trying to
make proud? Was it yourself? Was it somebody back home? Like?
Who was it for you? Question?
Speaker 8 (34:09):
Nobody's ever asked me that.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Because that hunger just doesn't come out at that ear right.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
It doesn't. I moved around a lot as a kid,
and I had i'd say, a challenging relationship with my stepfather,
not a super close relationship with my biological father. I mean,
we're fine in everything, but I had some I had
some tougher times growing up, and I think music was
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that one thing that anchored me in a way and
gave me that security and that confidence that I didn't
have anywhere else. And I became so obsessed with it,
and there was also a burning desire I'll show you thing.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yeah, no, I don't know my real dad. I met
him once, if you years ago, So I definitely understand
that because that was a driver for me too. It
was like, wait, I'll show you why you really missed
out on not being my dad like that. That was
a part of it for me too.
Speaker 8 (35:12):
I think a lot of us have something driving us
other than just a love for what we do, that
that that sparks that that starts that fire.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Yeah, I would agree. The consistency that you know you
said music was just there, you know, whenever you have
a really inconsistent life childhood like I did, like you did,
when you do have that one or two thing like
my grandma was so consistent with me when she was
with My grandma adopted me for a while too, when
you know my mom was gone and or my dad was.
(35:43):
But anything that had consistency, like I still hold on to,
Like I'm the biggest Arkansas Razorback sports fan, but it's
because I knew every Saturday, it didn't matter where I
was living, there was going to be a game and
I could look forward to it. It's going to be
on for it's on free television. So that was consistent
for me. There was music that was consistent for me
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because my life wasn't hot. There was no consistency about
it at all, and so that why it's why today
I still like hold a hond to those things. It's
even like the people were talking about Innerygod that we
felt like we're famous when we were kids while we
still Yeah, I feel like it's so cool.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
There's a comfort in the consistency of something like that.
And I said earlier in another situation something that really
kind of struck me, because you know, your career ebbs
and flows, and you have ups and downs, and you
have self doubt, and even with success comes that, well,
(36:43):
I'm not I'm not the top of everybody's mind anymore,
and you have to you know, with that comes a
little of that, you know, and you have to kind
of navigate that emotionally, and it's not as easy as
people would think it is. But you know, and I
think a lot of artists go through that, this period
of do I matter enough to keep doing this anymore?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Oh? First, I doing relevancy issues.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
Relevancy, Yes, we can have a whole therapy.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I live in relevancy landwork. It's like me too, I'm
not relevant anymore. This is totally How do you deal
with that?
Speaker 8 (37:15):
I'll tell you how I deal with that. This year,
it kind of it was. It was an epiphany that
came to me and I started thinking back, and I
started going way back and remembering that hunger, that kid,
that woke up to watch This Week in Country Music
and sat for hours and hours in her bedroom, singing
and learning new songs, dreaming about Nashville, crying because she
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wanted to just be in Nashville, just wanted a shot,
wanted to be on the radio so bad I could
taste it, And I'm like, I can't give up on
that kid. I would feel like I was betraying her
if I just did that.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
What's wild about you saying this? Is that me ten
thousand feet up looking at you and your career. I
would see you and go, man, everybody loves her massive success.
You would just think, but I think this is common
right around the room with whomever. I would just think,
(38:13):
that's the one person that doesn't deal with imposter syndrome
or relevancy. And but it just shows you it almost
doesn't matter. It's like the screw loose that got us
here is still the screw loose now that affects us
in a slightly different way. And I think the.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
Danger zone to that is playing the comparison.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Game too big time, because you can never win.
Speaker 8 (38:37):
Because relevancy is only relevant compared to who's doing something
more like and there's always going to be somebody doing
something or getting more opportunities than you're getting, or or
being recognized more than you are. And you know, sometimes
you feel like you're spending your reels because you're working
your ass off, and you're just like, does anybody care?
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Right? Does anybody care at all? Will they ever care? Again?
Speaker 8 (39:00):
And then if you if you express that to somebody,
they're like, they don't understand, sin, how could you?
Speaker 11 (39:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (39:05):
Yeah, it's just yeah, it's part of being human, and
it's that affliction, well, the human affliction.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
And even as that creative, it's you know, if I
have friends at work and most of my friends aren't creatives,
which I think is a big deal. It's good for
me because they can kind of give me a bit
of a realistic view on what's really important in life.
And you know, with those I can't really go, well,
here's the thing, here's why I'm I'm upset. You know
(39:30):
this show, the stand up show I did you know?
I did. I did announce the tour twelve shows and it
only sold eighty percent, And They're like, are you how
is that upsetting to you? And I'm like, we don't understand.
Like last time, I sold every theater and now I'm sorry,
and so at the same as trivial as it is,
you'd still like to have someone that can relate to
(39:51):
it and go, I get it same but instead of
just but yeah, you know, because a lot of my
friends are on the industry, like why are you whining?
Your theaters are almost sold? And it's like nobody don't understand.
Like I do a big time with imposters, but when
I do. I finally have a couple of friends too
now in the industry. One of my closest friends and
(40:12):
is a guy named Ben Rector. Who do you know?
Ben Is?
Speaker 10 (40:18):
Can I tell him this.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Is he doing? Is he doing your project? Yeah, he'll
be over in like thirty minutes, and.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
Like, but we can't really get into a project too much.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
But I know I can't.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I don't know him, it's.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
All Ben is one of my best friends. We work
out here at the house three times a week, but
is absolutely and I think I get anxious. We have
like an anxious three. We could be like a wrestling
me Brett Eldridge and Ben Rector.
Speaker 8 (40:51):
I get I can see you all being exactly.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Yeah, we just called if it's on like ticket a
release day or something. It's like, you're doing all right, man,
I don't know and I'm watching it's they go on
someone in six minutes, don't watch, don't watch the live,
just check back in at night. Don't worry about it.
But we all have to have those friends that could rely.
They can relate. It's really important, yes, and it's also
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important to have friends it can't relate at all, and
there's got to be about like that has to be
my wife, not in the business. That is what to
me helped the Hey, am I still relevant because she
just doesn't care in the best way. And it drives
me crazy sometimes too, because I'm like, don't you care?
If she's like, I know you care, So I care,
But that's not that important. Like you're doing what you love.
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It's gonna be sometimes, gonna be great. Sometimes it's not
going to be great. You're just gonna keep going. And
so that's very valuable too. Who is that for you?
Speaker 8 (41:44):
Oh gosh? I have Okay, So I have friends that
I have had my entire life since.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
I was twelve from home.
Speaker 8 (41:51):
Yeah, from home, and we're still very very close. And
then I have a few friends that I made in
Nashville right after I moved here, like in nineteen ninety,
who are also my other very best friends. None of
them are in the business.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
The Originals too, Originals.
Speaker 8 (42:04):
I went to school with them. They are they have businesses,
they're school teachers, they're social workers. It's very important. And
then and then I have the Pamtilist and Susie Bogus, Perio,
Riba and Tricia. Let we all get together and we
can we can kind of bounce these insecurities off of
each other, and we more so me, I think. But
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I look to them especially like Uhriba and and and Susie,
I would say, because I look to them like big
sisters who have been through it all. And it doesn't
matter how big the star is. Everybody has had their
moments I think where they've experienced something that they can go, hey,
you know, and I can go, what did you do
in this instance? Or like like, you've got to have
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some of that too. But I think the balance is
I'm glad you have that too.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
I love that you have your history.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
Friends that have nothing to do with any of it,
and then you have of the people who have been
there who can help help you kind of navigate the
complicated emotional waters that we live in.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Yeah, or just like swim beside me, even if it's
not navigating. Yeah, because there are times where Bin's like
I don't know either, and we're just like, okay, well
we don't know together, you know, because it is it's
a weird to get into a business where you are
going to make a living creating something that you think
is good enough for people to pay their money to watch.
(43:31):
Because at the same time, you could be the most
humble person, but if you don't have a bit of
confidence even in the ego about what and it is
a weird juxtaposition of at times I have no confidence
at all, and at the same time I'd have all
the confidence in the world to create something, to do
a stage show, to do, a radio show, to do
and expect people to give me their time and money
for what I'm creating.
Speaker 8 (43:53):
The most complicated part about it is it's all appear
like and that sometimes will will be the one factor
that defines whether you go out there and kill it
or don't, because it's all in your mind.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
You ever get it's all sad at seats that weren't sold.
Oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
I think everybody does. And I gotta tell you, every
single night I walk out there, it's not a given
in my brain that there's going to be anybody out there.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
I swear to God. It's just crazy for me to
hear you say that. By the way, it's crazy for
me to hear you say.
Speaker 8 (44:24):
That, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
At number six on the list is Hillary Scott from
Lady A. Hillary was super vulnerable and she shared how
she wrote a song about her having a miscarriage and
how her faith has kept her going. There's Hillary Scott
from episode four thirty two.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Chris Tomlin is another example who I love that dude.
And I asked him if there was pressure, And this
is going to lead to the question I'm asking you.
I asked him if there was pressure because and my
wife when I you know, she's not super into the industry,
or she's not in it at all, but she doesn't
like care that much. She was like Christopher, we sang
(45:09):
all Is hymn to church, and I was like, well,
were you just saying Rock of Ages basically? You know
all of ours were him? Yes, But I asked him
if there was a pressure on him to be so
godlike because that's how everyone knows him, because he's he's
a normal human. And I'd found myself talking about a
(45:31):
Christmas party we were having and I invited him over
and it was like, not real money, but we were
we were had vegas set up and what we were
doing was donating to whomever won that night to their charity.
And I was going to invite him and I was like,
I'm not inviting him. It's gambling. And it was exactly
what he told me that he did not want people
to do to him. And so then I said, Chris,
I'm so sorry I didn't invite you. Now I'm inviting
you again because it's fun. So he lives with this
(45:53):
wonderful but constant pressure of people to think he has
to be godlike all the time. Do you feel the
pressure on you, as a public person and even a Christian,
an open Christian to always present we'll just say a
good mood.
Speaker 11 (46:07):
Oh, I mean there's definite pressure, for sure, I think.
But to me, what I am so grateful for about
my relationship with God and my faith is that there
there's a scripture that talks about when we are weak
He is strong, So in our weaknesses, in our vulnerability,
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we actually connect deeper. We see how much we need him,
Others see that we don't have it all together. I mean,
I've heard it said so many times and it's so profound,
and it's like church needs to be more like a hospital,
like then a country club where you show up all
buttoned up and presenting a certain way.
Speaker 10 (46:48):
It's like, no, we're all broken wanting to come.
Speaker 11 (46:50):
Together for the same reason, to receive the peace and
the comfort and the grace and mercy of God, you know.
And so I do definitely feel that pressure. But ironically,
when you do share publicly or privately the hard things
you're going through, that's.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
When you really connect with absolutely.
Speaker 11 (47:11):
I mean truly, Like that is where I've had the
most just oh, the most rewarding conversations, the most rewarding
DMS conversations.
Speaker 10 (47:22):
With people on Instagram.
Speaker 11 (47:23):
I mean it's just so to not be afraid to
say what's really going on.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
I can ask you what and I'll share one with
you too, so you don't feel alone here, but can
ask you, like an example of that something that you
would have spoken about that was difficult for you because
I felt a lot of shame in mind, but I
didn't realize that other people were writing alongside me with
their own version of it. So what would an example
of that be for you?
Speaker 11 (47:48):
I mean, one of the biggest was something that I
still grieve every day, which is the miscarriage we had
in between Isley and my twin girls, and just how
it as I Will walked through and Chris and I
walked through that experience, there was a big, you know,
moment of like, are we going to share this? Are
we going to But then when the only way I
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knew to pursue healing and just kind of keep moving
was to write about it became a song. And then
it was a song that I knew. I was like,
I think people really need to hear this.
Speaker 6 (48:21):
And so.
Speaker 10 (48:23):
It was.
Speaker 11 (48:23):
It was that experience and one that continues to come
up to the stay you know, that record came out,
that song came out in twenty sixteen, and I still
feel like when people come up to me, whether it's
in the grocery store or to meet and greet, it's
always it's always brought up.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
Were you surprised that that is what people attached through
so strongly and that people still attached to it even
seven years or so later.
Speaker 10 (48:52):
I think it.
Speaker 11 (48:53):
It doesn't surprise me because one in four women one
and four pregnancies, not women one and four pregnancies and
in miscarriage. So the statistics are so high that and
not a lot of people know that that's how often
it happens. So that's a whole lot of people, that's
a whole lot of women, that's a whole lot of families.
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So I think that specific experience in the women and
the families that I hear from who've experienced that exact thing,
it isn't shocking. Now the other stories around the song,
where it's met others in other ways, in different hardships
in their life. Those always, I mean, they all touch
(49:36):
my heart.
Speaker 10 (49:36):
They all just humble me and.
Speaker 11 (49:41):
Are very very priceless to me to be invited into
those stories. But some of the ones that are about
other things are the ones that like lay.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
Me out in the floor. When I wrote my first book,
I was I don't know how to write a book.
I mean I'd written some stuff, but never a book.
And I thought no one would want to read a
book for me anyway, And I thought I'm just gonna
write everything, and then whatever I'm too ashamed of, I'm
going to pull out. But I'm going to as and
you probably deal with this writing you know, a song,
(50:09):
a three minute version of this, but one hundred times.
And so I wrote this book and it was a
lot of my insecurity is a lot of what we
all suffer through. But I wrote about my mom a lot.
And my mom's not alive anymore. She died when she
was forty seven or so. She died from basically drug abuse,
drug and alcohol abuse, and it had gotten so bad
with her. And it was some heavy drugs like meth.
And I'm from Arkansas and it's it's poverty there, right,
(50:33):
and like I never quite understood until I got older,
but my mom had got so wrapped up in it
that she would call and need money, and you know,
she had started to go, well, I'm going to do
porn and when your mom calls and tells you that,
and I was and I remember writing that story and
I was so I was so ashamed, and I was
(50:56):
going to take it out. And I don't know why
I didn't, because I never had the thought, I'll leave
it in, it'll connect. I don't know how it lasted
and landed. But I'm telling you, when I'll tour and
do stand up, you want to know people talk to
me about how it's not exactly the same, but everybody
will come up. Not everybody, but I like people come
(51:18):
up and go, I'm so glad you said this, because
nobody says that addiction affects them in ways like this.
Speaker 9 (51:23):
Yes, and.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
Even now. I mean, I wrote that book six seven
years ago, Like I couldn't believe that that was the connector.
I thought, I'll write some funny stories, people will enjoy it,
I'll write a but of everything that I wrote, I
was most ashamed of a lot of the stuff that
I had gone through in that part of my life
and my world. But that was the that was the
(51:48):
really the connector of all and I couldn't believe it.
But it also shows me that the more raw and
open you are, the more you're actually relatable. And I
did not think that was the case.
Speaker 11 (52:02):
And I think the other beautiful benefit for you sharing it,
and or at least for me for sharing it, is
the freedom you feel because there was something in me
with my story, Like if I had withheld that information,
I would have really felt like I was moving through
my life in not the most honest way that I could,
(52:24):
and that I would be numbing some part of myself
and that just didn't feel authentic. And so as scary
as it was, I felt free.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
Did you feel when you were writing, when you're doing
the music, because this is a bit how I felt too,
like I had. Reliving it was kind of hard.
Speaker 11 (52:42):
Yes, yes, absolutely well in writing it. I mean I
was in the middle of miscarring when I wrote the song,
so it was very much like I'm in this right
now talking about it right now. So as it got recorded,
and then the times that I've I've performed it, we're
saying it in church. It's definitely been a different experience
(53:07):
remembering it, still feeling it deeply, but not like I
was when.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Okay, that was part one of the Top ten Bobby
Cast of twenty twenty four. We got the rest the
Top five coming up next week. I also want to
mention a few other ones. Go listen to Jackson, dene
Zach Top, Marcus King and those probably didn't make it
because we did them so late in the year, but
those were awesome episodes. If you missed any, just searched
the Bobby Cast also type in the artists that you
(53:34):
want to hear it.
Speaker 4 (53:34):
You'll find it. Boom, it'll pop up there.
Speaker 12 (53:36):
All right, Have good week everybody.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
Speaker 12 (54:13):
Mm hmm
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