February 27, 2025 • 45 mins
Amy first heard of ketamine therapy while at a brow appointment with Meegen Pearson (founder of beautybymeegen.com) so Meegen is back on the podcast for a heartfelt and honest conversation that spans beauty, healing, and resilience. They both get into their personal (but not expert!) experiences with ketamine therapy and then they pivot completely to talk about how Amy's lack of botox is changing her brows (she might need a microblading makeover!) Meegen also shares her journey into areola tattooing for breast cancer survivors, a passion inspired after her mom was diagnosed and she also urges people to stay aware because colon cancer took her dad from her far too soon (early detection is everything!)
For more information about Meegen’s work, including microblading, lip blushing, and areola tattooing, visit beautybymeegen.com or @beauty.by.meegen on IG.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Happy Thursday, four Things Amy here, and my friend Megan
is joining me today for a chat on all kinds
of things. Meghan has come on the podcast before. She
is Beauty by Megan Megan Pearson. So if you have
been a loyal listener for years, you have heard her before.
You maybe even have gone in to see Meghan for
(00:53):
microplading on your brows or even your areola because Megan
works with breast cancer reconstructed breasts. Yeah, tattooing the areola
back on, which we'll get into more of that later
in the episode. And Megan, I've got to walk you
through my whole new situation with my brows and how
(01:16):
my forehead shape is changing because I'm not getting botox
right now, and we need to come up with a
whole I'm using like a new little pin thing, and
I got my techniques, but I think you're going to
need to come in and save the day for me
once I get in the right place. So I want
your thoughts on that. But before we get into the
more vain side of our conversation, you are the reason
(01:38):
why I went to get ketamine, So I want to
start with your experience, and I guess I should preface
the entire conversation with the fact that me and I
are not experts in this and are not saying, hey,
go out and do ketamine because it's going to do
this for you since it did something amazing for us.
That's just not the case. But I'm going to re
(02:00):
in simple terms what ketamine is, so we'll start with that.
It's a medication that was originally used as an anesthetic
in medical and veterinary settings. In recent years, it's been
used and controlled low doses as a treatment for conditions
like depression anxiety, PTSD, and chronic pain. When administered by
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professionals in a clinical setting, which is what we both did,
it can have rapid positive effects on mood and mental health.
So there you go. But Megan, is the reason why
I got ketamine therapy. And I think I was in
the office one day with your cousin. Yeah, Krista was
getting a facial and you're like, Amy, Oh my gosh,
(02:46):
you have got to check this out. You need to
call Lindy. She has changed my life. This is amazing.
So what led you to even exploring ketamine for yourself
and what was your experience?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Like I have experience, you know, anxiety, not so much
depression depression, but definitely lots of anxiety throughout my life.
Everyone has had their traumas and their childhood and you know,
things like that. So that's a whole won't get in
all that. But at the end of the day, I
just felt like I was really disconnected from like my
childhood and things from my past. And like, you know,
(03:21):
my therapist Lindy, who you just talked about, you know,
we'd sit there and talk about like little Meekon and
I'm like, I don't even remember her, Like I was
so disconnected from her, and like I said, my childhood
that it was just it was hard for me to
I can show my daughter, my six year old, all
this empathy and all this love, but when it came
to myself, I'm so hard on myself and I can't
show myself that, you know, to me, I look at
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myself and I'm like, dude, you're thirty seven, Suck it up,
you know. But I'm like, I would never say something
that to my child, you know, And I do think
there is a I'm not a therapist, I'm not, but
there's a fine line between worrying so much about your
your past and your child and you know, and lingering
on that and at the end of the day say like, Okay,
I'm an adult, Like we all experienced bad things, Like
(04:03):
you know, my bad things weren't that bad, but.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well, it's all relative to what you've experienced, Like you
may not have suffered in a way that somebody else has,
but it doesn't minimize your suffering. Yeah, that's yeah, still
gone through something. And I get what you're saying about, Like,
once you're an adult and you have the awareness that
you're operating off of old software, I've heard it explained
in that way of like, Okay, you can keep running
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on your old software if you want to. But if
you're an adult and you have the access to and
you have the ability, which some people may not even
have that awareness or the resources. That's not lost on
me at all. But if you know you're capable of
taking a step closer towards a reboot of sorts and
updating that software, then it's up to you to either
(04:48):
stay stuck, yes, or move forward with a reboot.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yes. I love that way of explaining it because that's
so true. And that's where I got to the point
where I was like, okay, Megan, like you either like
keep dealing with this or you take a risk and
like try something different and see what happens. And I
was terrified to do kemine. I'm not gonna lie because
I don't even drink, Like I am very I'm a
control freak ever since I had my daughter, you know,
(05:12):
becoming a single mom. I don't like anything that makes me,
you know, scared, I'm not going to be me or
have control of situations. So the thought of it being
I remember like talking to Lindy and being like, Lindy,
what do we go under and I like snap and
we find out like I'm a schizophrenic and I never
go back to being me again, or I like all
these crazy, like irrational fears that were going on. But again,
I just got so sick of feeling the same, you
(05:33):
know that I was like, it's just it's time for
a change. And I really wanted to make sure that
I set my intentions and I knew that what I
was going in there for was you know, to kind
of try and you know, nurture my my inner child
or my little Megan, you know, if you will, and
just show myself that same empathy and love that I
show my daughter. So, you know, Lindy is very good
(05:55):
about explaining to you that, you know, you do want
to make sure you have a set in and goal,
you know, as you know going in there. I know
there are practices where they have ketamine clinics where people
can just go and you know, get hooked, you know,
into a machine and you know, do the ivy that way.
I'm very happy that the way I did it was
in more of a I don't ritual you know, or
(06:17):
a profession I don't know how you want to.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I mean she did set it up in a very
ritual way and like you sit and you have your
little bowl with your thing that you put under your tongue. Yeah,
I don't know what that lost loss and yeah, and
it was very each time I went, we did it
the exact same way.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yes, and you set your intention. She does either you know,
if you are religious and you want a prayer, if
you want just a you know, overall message just kind
of you can kind of tell her what you wanting
to read to you. Yeah, yeah, and she reads it
to you, and you know, she makes it very clear
that she's there for you. You know, if you want comfort, support,
you know, you have asked her, you know, to which
I did. I ended up asking her one day. I
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was like, Lindy, I need your hand to just because
I felt really alone. And uh, and so she's just
she makes it a really wonderful It's it's a practice
and it's a ritual and then you have you have
your session.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So what I found difficult was having the thing in
my mouth and you can't swallow, yes, I know, for
fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And I would look at her.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
And be like, shoot, I just swallowed. And I didn't
want to mess up.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I wanted to do everything right. I wanted my experience
to go well. And she's like, it's okay, don't worry
about it.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Just try not to swallow it again, because when you
get zoned out, like yes, you can't help it, that's
what you.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Do, David.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I swallowed again, and I would be freaking out and
she's like, it's okay, stay calm, and I'm like no,
I'm wrecking my nervous system before I even do this
because I fear that I'm going to do it right.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, So that to me was oh yeah, and it
tastes terrible. It tastes terrible, like just weird. But yeah, yeah,
I brought my like I brought I don't know if
you did this, but I brought my favorite blanket. I'm
a textures per if you can't tell, I love the
way stuff feels. But I brought my heating pad. I
brought my favorite blanket, like yeah, and you just like
you do your little ritual and then you lay on
the ground and I laid on my heating pad with
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my blanket and put your ol mask on and you
you're kind of just gone for about three hours, you know,
in your own she has a guy to play. But
other than that, it's not I didn't know if it
was going to be a verbal there, you know, or
what it was going to be, but you know, it
just the music, just the music. Yeah, your head takes
you on a journey.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah you need to go.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
But I could tell I was going because you're aware
that you're there, but then you're not. Yeah, you're on
this journey in your brain. But I would definitely go
different places when the song would change, things would just
be different.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I was.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I wasn't controlling that as well at all.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It was all in my.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Own Yeah, yeah, it was subconscious, but yeah, yeah, well
I had I ended up having one of the final
pushes was I had a neighbor who was a VET,
and he was like telling me how life changing it was,
and you know, his his wife came to me and
she was like, you know, and I've actually heard this
several times since then, is like with vets and people
like that is their only explanation of it is that
they finally came home, you know, from from who they
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had turned you know and changed to be from like war,
you know, from things like that that you know, he
was finally home, which I loved, you know, for me,
the thought of that, it was just super impactful. But
and then I had a client the very the day
before I was supposed to go. I was like super nervous,
and long story short, my favorite color's yellow. So this
client walks in and she has a yellow rose and
(09:13):
she was a last minute cancelation that just got in
real quick. And so she comes in with a rose
and like she was just so sweet and spiritual and
just like you know, I just I was vibing with
her and I'd mentioned something about ketamine and she looked
at me and she just stopped. She goes, Megan, your
life is about to be changed. And that's not something
I would usually share with just like random strangers or
random clients that like I'm about to go dose myself
(09:33):
up on ketemine, you know, like that's not my usual.
But I felt very compelled to talk to her about it.
And she had done it, and she had reassured me
and just all the affirmations that I needed to hear
that like it was I was going to be okay,
you know, and it was a good idea to do it.
And so and I trust Lindy wholeheartedly. She's been my
therapist for six years now, I believe. So I went
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in there that day and I'll I'll just tell you
that the first little thing that happened because to most people,
like to me, that was the most impactful. Like I said,
I've got really disconnected with my childhood and my little
I can't even picture what I did, what I looked like,
any of those things. So we do the ritual. I
put my blindfold on or my mask on, and I
(10:13):
lay down and the song starts coming on, and you know,
I see, I'm out in the woods, and it's just
the most beautiful, you know, spring day, and every all
the colors were vivid and bright, and you know, the
yellows were super super bright in the greens. And I
see this little girl, this little blonde girl, just running
through the woods and I look, and you know, I'm
kind of watching her, and she's just laughing and playing
(10:36):
and you know, running around, and I start to walk
closer to her, and I look and I was like,
oh my god, like that's me, you know. And I mean,
I'm telling you like I was. I was standing there
in that forest just like me and you were standing
here today. You know, I felt I was there, you know.
And so she's running and playing and like giggling, and
it was the first time that I just even could
see myself at that age. So I start like hyperventily crying,
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like like I've never cried in my life before. I mean,
my whole body was truly crying. It was insane. And
then all of a sudden, my a six year old
and she runs out and starts playing with little Me.
So I am watching myself play with my daughter and
just like being a kid. And then all of a sudden,
you know, they kind of see me and they you know, giggling,
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and they run over to me, and I you know,
sit down on the ground and both girls come up
to me and sit on each of my lap, and
like I am kissing them both, and like I'm telling,
you know, little Me, all the things that I tell Hnley,
you know, about how beautiful you are and how worthy
and hustle. You know, I'm kissing Henley and you know,
I'm telling myself and her both of those things. And
(11:41):
like again, I am like my whole body is like
convulsing crying at this point. And then little Me just
looks up and grabs my face and says, you know,
it's okay. You know, I know you love me. And
I was like, ah, it'll make me cry out, but
I was like that's powerful. It was so like here,
that was just like it was just it. And then
(12:02):
and then I remember like just this release. Like I'm
telling you, like I had never breathed in my entire
life before I'd had a lot of like back pain
and a lot of just stiffness in my body, and
I thought it was my job. You know, I hunch
all day and so I'm like, oh, it's because you know,
And then I find out later on it's a term
they kind of call body armor armoring where you're always
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tense and tight and cut, you know, when you've been
in fight or flight for a long time. So I
did that one ketamine session and like all of my
body pain was gone. And again, this might not be
what anyone else experiences or for anyone else, but you know,
I'm not saying go do it for back paint, but
for me, like it was just I was holding on.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Because you were doing the armoring.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah that some people's back pain might be from something
else exactly, it may not be that, but for you,
I can even tell. But now with the tears streaming
down your face, that like what a release that first
session did for you or what it impact and yeah,
you're it would forever changed.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
It was from me, yeah, And that was the I
had like four experiences like that my first session alone.
That was literally within the first like ten fifteen minutes
you know, of me being there and having that release,
and I mean I just my body, like it felt
like I had never truly laid down before, you know,
like my the heaviness of my body and stuff. I
was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Like so like whenaid you said something a minute ago
like you had not breathed. Yeah, So to me, I
hear that, it's like almost like you finally got to
exhale yes, like.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yesh and just be yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And so if that's in the first fifteen minutes, because
you're laying there anywhere from two to.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Three hours, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And then you sort of just come out of it
and then you're like, oh wow, three hours and it's
gone by, well yes, yeah, wild journey through yeah, the forest,
the woods. Like I spent time in the ocean, I
just kept emerging from the water in almost like a
cheer stance of like and nailing my move. Yeah. I
like here I am and I'm nailing it, like I'm
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proud of myself. And I think that was some stuff
with younger me of not ever thinking I was capable.
And I just kept emerging from the water almost like
I am capable hear me roarugh. And I had not
an experience like you where I was crying in a
compulsive way but I had such peace coming out of that,
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and I think I still went at a time where
my nervous system was a little bit in chaos. So
I still haven't done my fourth session. I've done three.
I'm very curious to go and I've talked to Lindy
about this and doing my fourth where I feel as
calm as I ever have felt, and my nervous system
feels very regulated, and I know that that's life. There's
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ebbs and flows and you never know what could be
around the corner. But I'm in a season right now
where my nervous system feels very stable, and I'm very
curious to go and do a treatment without any chaos,
I think because I wonder how much more or where
we'll go. Yeah, because you don't know, you don't know
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where you're going to go. I mean, you can set
your intention, but you don't know how it's going to
show up. Like why was I in the ocean, emerging
in the water. Why Sometimes it was like laying the ocean,
my deceased mother and father to the left and the
right of me, just laying there with me with their
arms crossed over their chests, like just laying there with me.
And then my sister's a frog, like, yeah, she's what.
And then my second time, she was a zebra playing
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the drums. But it was more than just her playing
the drums, like she was my person who was like
keeping the beat for me.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Oh I love that. Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
In a band, the drummer is keeping the beat for everybody. Yeah,
like everybody is relying on the drummer. If the drummer's off,
everything's off. Yeah, And that's why I oftentimes it's like
the drummer that's like well to and they're the one
that start everything.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
And so my.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Sister was she is my my go to, like my
safe space, like she helps me find my read she's
four years older. Okay thought, but she's also come to
you for brow Yes, I love her.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Else to really explain my experience. People, Just if it's
something you've been thinking about, do the research, talk to people.
Word of mouth is everything, and going to someone where
you know other people have had a good experience, Like
I think me showing up in Lindy's office and doing
that is because I trust you and you had such
a good experience, and she has been your therapist for
(16:30):
six or seven years when you finally decided to try
the ketamine part. It's not like and certainly you could
google someone and show up and have a good experience,
but it's not like that's what you had to do.
You had been with her, you have a trusted relationship
with her, and then she decided to do this with you,
which so she was your therapist first, like talk therapy,
and then you did that, whereas with me, I went
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and did the ketemine with her, and then she became
my talk therapist because so much was happening during my
sessions and I really want to just open up about
everything and lay it all out. And I could tell
she was a safe space. There's no judgment at all.
And I have another amazing therapist, but I just thought, well,
I might shift to this because now so much is
(17:11):
out on the table. Yes, I think that there's stuff
I held back from my other therapist, and I wanted
a fresh start with like here's it.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
All, yeah, all on the table, holding back and yeah
and Lindy. And I mean, I went to a great
therapist too before that, and I loved her, but man,
I don't know what it is about Lindy. She is
just instant like regulation for me, Like I could hear
her voice, you know, and she is just the most
calm and peaceful. But yeah, she's amazing. And I've had
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a couple people who had went to like one of
my clients who was she had it done in California.
She said she went to like several different therapists and
almost like interviewed them. If you will you know who
all did ketamine, because not everyone is the right fit
for everyone. So I think it's really important that you
said it is like referrals, and not only that, but
like knowing that you can check out other people. You know,
(18:01):
you can check out a couple different people and like,
because nervous system is everything, and whoever you feel regulated
around and calm with. Because when I did, kind of meine,
I was in such a good state. I wasn't anxious
when I actually did it, you know, I wasn't having
anxiety for the first time in my life when I
actually did it, which was kind of lovely because I
felt like my body was just like ready to open up,
(18:21):
you know, with any and everything. So I think it'll
be fun for you to go now, like you said,
when your nervous system is so regulated and like, and
people told me too, They're like, not necessarily what you
think is going to come up will come up, but
what you need is what's going to come up. And
some of the things that you go through are hard,
like or for me, like I had weird stuff too,
(18:42):
like in one I was like this warrior video game girl, Like,
I mean, it was just crazy stuff, but like all
the hard things, you know, like you've mentioned your you know,
your parents and stuff, and I had some hard things
come up as well with family and stuff. And it
was hard, but it wasn't hard in like a negative
way that makes sense. Like it wasn't like a bad,
scary hard you know. It was like a uh a
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liberating in like a free you know, a peaceful, freeing hard. Yeah.
So it wasn't even though it was hard, Like again,
it wasn't scary, Like I was worried that stuff that
was scary was gonna come up, and thankfully, hard things
came up, but none of it was like bad.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
When you were talking about childhood, you it made me
think of this quote, so I pulled it up and
the author is unknown, but it's there are only two
people in the world, you need to care about their opinion.
It's not your mom, your dad, your spouse, your kids,
your boss, or your friends. It's the eight year old
version of you and the eighty year old version of you.
You have lived a good life if you impress those
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two people.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Oh oh that gave me chills, goosebumps. Right, Yes, it's
such a good Oh.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
That's a quote one and yeah eight year old you
an eighty year old Yeah? How can you make those
two people.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Completely different people? People that are completely consumed with total
different aspects of life? You know? Oh? I love that. Yeah,
that's a good one to think on too.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
We can pivot now and we'll get into browse, botox
and breast. Your mom had breast cancer. It got you
into a whole thing. And I know your dad had
cancer as well, so we'll touch on that. But that's
like me now. I'm trying to figure out my botox
situation or my no botox situation for my eighty year
(20:25):
old self.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I was trying to figure that out.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
And even when I started pilates a few months ago,
I started for eighty year old me because I saw
this podcast, I say, Saul, because I was watching it
on YouTube. This person was talking about osteoporosis and women,
and I think she may have been a surgeon, like
a hip surgeon. She said a lot of people that
she works with like if they fall in their eighties
and she's having to perform surgery on them. She said,
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pilates is the number one thing she would tell women
to start now, or some sort of training like that
that helps get you ready for when you fall when
you're old, so that we don't end up on the
operating table. And I thought, Okay, I'm going to go
to pilates right now, which I'm sure there's other exercises
and workouts you could do. That just happened to be
(21:10):
what she mentioned. And I was already interested in plates
and that has been something that has felt very good
to me at the moment and just listening to my body.
Yeah need So I'm doing that, doing the pilates right now.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
For eighty year old year old me, she'll be proud.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It's so proud of you.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, eight year old AMI's really probably proud of me.
But eight year old Amy also got called half brow
because that's where I well, probably wasn't eight year old me,
but probably teenage me when I started to put on
my brows, and then I would go swimming and then
I would come out of the water.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
And I remember one time someone was like, oh, hey,
half brow, and I thought, oh, but.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's in my insecurity about my brows first started. And
so then that led to this whole thing of trying
to figure out my brows. And it's been a whole journey,
and so we'll get into.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It runs deep our relationship.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yes, why meeting you has been so helpful for my confidence,
and so we'll talk about the botox brows and breasts next.
Let's talk about the superficial yes, yeah, surface you things,
(22:21):
which is that I've stopped the botox and my brows
are changing. Yeah, which made me think, like, I've been
coming to you with botox. So why is it that
as the botox is dissolving in my forehead now my
brows are changing. And what do you think the solution
needs to be? Because right now I am drawing them
on myself and I have a new appreciation for your
(22:42):
steady hand and how you can even do hair like strokes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Well it took a lot of practice, I will say that,
but being a megup artist, you know, for ten years
of my life, like I've always you know, had a
more artistic flair, like that's always been my thing. But
I will say it's definitely harder to draw on the brows.
Everyone always says that that's like something that they don't
understand how I can do. But I'm glad that ya can't,
because I wouldn't have a job if everyone could do
their brows perfect every day.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So thank youful to have your website.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
When I was just getting your website so I can
link it in the show notes for people, a review
popped up from Valerie. Yeah, yeah, you know that is okay,
she said here, I'm not the most artistic person, so
feeling in my eyebrows has always been more guesswork than talent.
That is until I chose Megan for microblading. My eyebrows
are the perfect color and shape for my face and
I never have to worry about them again. Megan truly
(23:31):
works magic. Now that's got to be Oh. I love
good to hear it, and I can attest to that too.
But even finding the perfect color and shape for someone's
face and thinking about that and color and how it
can change over time, like if someone gets their brows
micro bladed. Will use me now as an example because
my face shape is now changing because the botox is dissolving.
(23:54):
I want a new game plan with you of what
you think we should do. And your plan is maybe
we layer I'm off again and start over.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah. I heard a girl talking, a girl that I
followed that does what I do, and she's fantastic, and
she was talking about how it seems so taboo and
when you talk about lasering your brows off, everyone thinks
it's because you had a botch job or someone didn't
know what they're doing. That's not always the case. At
the end of the day, styles change. You know, your
face changes, you know, the structure of your brows change.
(24:23):
Techniques change. I mean the tools and the pigments that
I'm using today versus seven years ago are completely different.
You know, they have gotten so much better. So sometimes
at the end of the day, when it comes to migration, aging,
all of those things, the best option is to go
and get a quick laser session. You know, they have
the Piko laser.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I don't know a whole lot of the technology about that.
That's not my field, but there's so many great technicians
out there who do the Piko laser. It usually takes
five minutes to do. It's around two hundred fifty dollars
and one session usually completely that's the brows off and
that's usually all you need. And the girl that I
a referencing, she put it in terms like this, and
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it really resonated with me because I've had filler done
in my lips and I've had it dissolved before. So
when you think about filler you're putting in your lips,
eventually it's going to start migrating out. So the normal
thing an injector is going to do is tell you
we need to dissolve it and restart, like that's a
very normal thing to do, and no one blinks an eye.
It's not a bad thing to do. You just dissolve it,
redo it so browse. We're kind of trying to change
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the narrative like that is sometimes what needs to happen
with your brows as well. As the color migrates as
you age, sometimes it can look a little blurry and
washed out after four years on certain skin types, so
removal might just be the best option for you.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Okay, So I think that's what I'm going to have
to do, I'm going to book my appointment, which if
people are local. The Pico laser is that Franklin.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yes, Franklin's skin and laser. They're They're fantastic. I can't
tell you how many people I've sent to them. They
do one little zapp on most people's brows, and that's
plenty for me to go back in and completely redo them.
It's not pain free, but it's very quick, which is lovely,
and it's not bad price point.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, as I'm just getting my new baseline of what
my face is looking like as the botox dissolves, which
I think I'm on month four, and when I was
looking it up, it said, depending on how your body
metabolizes the bowtox, it can take anywhere from three to
six months to get it out. I'm not anti it,
so I don't know. Am I going to get it
conservatively again and just make sure I don't go over
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a certain amount of units because I don't want to
have the muscle atrophy take place, which is the reason
why I halted it. As I'm aging it's I'm almost
forty four or forty four year old me looking out
for sixty year old me because I think in the
moment right now, it's easy to be like, oh yeah,
I'll just get it here here and here and here,
but not thinking about how my skin is going to
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be down the line because I maybe over talxed. So
I know this is very vain, but I think brows
are an important part of the face, at least for me.
I know when I wash my face and my brows
come off, I instantly look different. I have the ones
that you microbladeed in, but right now, because of the
the botox leaving, my brows are spreading apart in the middle,
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so I'm having to draw them in. Now, when you're
doing the brows on our face, are you doing the
measurements that I'm seeing online? I never know because I'm
laying on your table and my eyes are closed.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
But do you have like a ruler.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And is there guidelines you go by or do you
just listen to what the client wants?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
No, so I would love to listen to what the
client wants, But a lot of times clients will show
me a picture tell me what they want. I'm like,
I would love that too, But that's not my structure,
that's not my muscles. You know, people don't think about
your brow muscles or what's actually going to change, you know,
where they lift. So I might add as much detail
and as much you know lift as possible as I
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can get them. But if your brows are completely flat,
there's only so much I can do. And I am
not the artist that's going to go in there and
you know, shave off a brow and put it back
on where you think you want it. Artists actually do that,
you know, or they'll they'll shave off half the brow
and completely like put one brow, you know, your brow
where it technically should be, you know, like having the
(28:07):
perfect you know ratio like Kardashian brow or something. But
that's just not everyone's face structure.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So yeah, So does someone just continue to shave their brows?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Over like if if the artist does that, yeah, then
they have to just continue shaving their brows the hair grows.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, yeah, otherwise you'll have a gnarly thick brow, or
you might have two tails. I've seen that a lot
where people have come in and an artist has put
a tail completely where their tail is not, and so
they'll literally have two tails at the end of their brow.
I am not the artist that's going to do that
to people. I think about what it's going to look
like today as well as what it's going to look
like in a year from now, you know, when you
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have aged, and you know, trends do change. But I
very much draw it on your own face. Like I
don't use stensiles or rulers or anything like that. I
do take a couple of markings just as far as
like you know, I can't show you, but you really
don't want the end the brow the tail to go,
you know, much further than the corner of your eye,
so you kind of go corner of the nose, corner
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of the eye to the corner of the brow. If
you start getting below that, that's what's going to drop
your brow, you know, make you look not lifted, you know,
age you a little bit.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That's why I have my my NYX my new brow
pencil that I ordered called Lift.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
And Snatch, so you're lifted and Snatch.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Everyone wants my drugs Lift and Snatch, So I you know,
I'm a little shaky when I'm doing it though, and
it's definitely taking up a huge chunk of my getting
ready time.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, so I'm pretty pumped to go get lasered yeah,
and then.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Come back in and get an appointment with you so
that I can get that time back because I have
to get ready pretty early in the morning and I
need to be on for work like makeup. Wise, I
can't just roll into the office.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, and you can't your brow throughout the day and
then like you literally have like no tail or something
if it's just drawn on. So that's why. Yeah, microplaning,
it just it really, you know, not to be dramatic,
but it does change your life, you know. And I
don't I think it's just vain. I think it's something
that you know, I think we've talked about that before,
like when you look good, when you feel good, like
(30:06):
you're gonna do better in life, you know. That's why, Like,
as cheesy as it is, I started wearing like all
my Friely dresses because for the longest time, I'd wear
like jeans and tea and I was like, you know what,
like I feel beautiful in like dresses, so you know what,
like I don't care if I'm going to the grocery store,
like I'm gonna wear the dang dress, you know, And
it's you just feel better. So I don't think any
of that stuff is vain. I think it's really important.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Okay, good, well, I just want to clarify because sometimes
I feel like, oh, this is silly stuff. I was
having a conversation with a friend the other day who
someone in their life has cancer, and they were like,
what so much is just so insignificant to me right now?
And this has really put life into perspective. And I
know you can relate to that as well. And you
work with cancer patients all the time with your talent,
and you know, you walk through cancer with your mother,
(30:49):
so you know that at times it's like, Okay, none
of this stuff really matters, but also it's okay, two
things can be true at the same time. Does it
really matter, not totally, but does it also help me
in life and make me more confident and save me time? Yeah? Yes, yes,
So two things can be true, yeah, at the same time.
And I think it's when you start to prioritize it
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over other things. Oh you're gonna, yeah, not realize what's
really important, or you let it ruin your day, Like
if you have a bad brow day and you like
are just like.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Oh, it ruined my whole you know, like okay, come on,
you know we all have bad days or you wear something,
you know, whatever. But yeah, well I like that.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
You mentioned that too about the clothes, because that can
really impact your mood, your overall mental health. Like how
you show up. It's like dopamine dressing. Yea, Like when
you get dressed and you know, you feel confident and
it's your go to outfit, your go to color, or
your type of outfit, whatever that is for you. For you,
(31:47):
it's dresses. You just said that. For someone else, it
might be a cute sweat set. Yes, oh, I know
you love sweatpants too.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I love my sweatpants.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
But whatever gives you that confidence to walk out. And
this is what I feel best, And this is the
color that I love. Who cares if it's on trend
or what anybody else is doing. This is what helps
me feel good. It's your dopamine dressing.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, I love that. I've never even heard of it
as dopamine dressing, but I'm gonna think of that. I
even do it at home too. Like this sounds so cheesy,
but a couple months ago I saw these like silk
pajamas from Target and I got them in every color now,
and like I walk around my house, like with no
one there except for my six year old, feeling like
a princess in my like fluffy slippers and my silk pajamas,
(32:29):
and I like wake up feeling like I'm in this
fairy tale and stuff, and I'm like, it's all because
of my you know, I'm doing dishes and I'm like, oh,
I'm just I mean my silk pajamas. So I'm happy,
you know. So it's yeah, it matters.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, it's a way that you're bringing yourself that confidence
even at home, or you feeling your best and even
that whimsy. Cat and I were talking about this the
other day. Someone had posted like how do you bring
the whimsy into your life and the whimsical moments? And
you were talking about doing dishes like that. And one
of the things that someone shared was when I'm doing
my dishes, I talk to the dishes like, hey, are.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You ready for bath time?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And it's just bringing in playfulness and feeling fun and
even confident in your own home. And that's you with
your silk or satin or whatever pajamas from Target, which
now I need to know which ones these are because
I want to get on the link.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
They're so soft, They're so cute, and I do, and
like I light my candle at night, you know, before
I get my shower, and I put on my like
you know, Seer McGlaughlin playlist or whatever, you know, kind
of cheesy stuff and like I just, yeah, I shower,
It's like just my little me time and my happiness
and yeah, put on my soft, silky stuff and yeah,
just makes you happy. Now I can do that with
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my brows fully intact if I would take a shower
or bath once I get my new session with you.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
But I guess I have some steps to take before that.
First I want the boatox to fully dissolve. Yes, Then
I need to go get the Pico laser. Then I'm
going to book an appointment. And then as I age
too it and trends change is just different. So yeah,
when I first started seeing you years ago, it makes
sense that we might need to alter it and change.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
How much makeup style change if you look at like
celebrities on the red carpet, like even when I did makeup,
you know, I look at my first like red carpets
with my girls, like you know, Kelsey and stuff, and
I'm like, oh my gosh, like it has changed drastically.
So it's like, you know, permanent makeup. It's permanent, you know, essentially,
but you can still get it lasered off. You can
still make changes, you know. And I found two over
(34:32):
the past, you know, a couple of years that my
style has changed so much with like openness and airiness.
I think we're seeing a lot of like oversaturated brows,
and partly because you know, it might be the artist,
but partly because I'll have clients that literally want to
come to me every year they're like, oh, I see
a spot, it's time to get microplating. Ope, I see
a spot and that's just not really okay. That that
(34:53):
was me I would do that. I feel like I
see a spot and now I.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Think I've altered that too. So what do you mean
by open and airiness? Because I think I know because
I feel like that's where I'm headed with it. But
I want to know what you're seeing with it.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
So if you think about, okay, the reason that microblading
and these you know, strokes look real is because they
look like hair strokes. They have negative space in between them,
so that openness, that airiness. If you were to put
a stroke stroke, stroke right beside each other, right on
top of each other, like it's gonna look like a railroad,
or it's just gonna look like a blob. Like it's
not even gonna look like strokes anymore. So I like
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to leave a little bit of open space between them.
I like for them to be a little more you know,
staggered and not so uniform. You know. I tell everyone,
it looks fantastic for days that you are going to
the gym or people who are you know, if you're
at the beach or a pool and you're not wearing makeup,
it looks great. It doesn't look oversaturated or overdone. But
then at the end of the day, if you are
wearing makeup, like if you are going and do something,
(35:49):
it takes two seconds to put powder in it because
you already have this great guideline. So it's like you
can have you can have both. You know, you can
have like really natural you know browse, or you can
have more you know, made up kind of glam brows.
But if you if you do the oversaturation and the
glanm browse, you know, you tattoo that on every day,
Like that is what you're stuck with, you know, twenty
four to seven. So yeah, so I like to leave
(36:10):
them just open and airy.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Okay, I think I'm excited about my brow rebrand.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Oh I too, honestly, are really exactly I'm glad we
talked about this to coming up.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I'll keep it all posted on the process.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
But I know so many people that have listened have
come to you for brows or even their breast So
I want you to touch on the passion side of
your work. I know you're passionate about both, but being
able to give women confidence back if they have lost
their breasts because of breast cancer. Just share a little
bit of that, just in case there's one person that
(36:41):
needs to know your info, your number, or they have
a BFF or a sister that needs to be calling
you to be able to get that confidence back.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yes, yes, oh I love it. That is where my
heart is. I love brows. I love it. But I'd
always seen the areolas and been like, oh, I'm going
to do that one day. You know, you just put
it in your back pocket and you think about it.
But I'm busy doing all my other things. You know,
that was the last thing that I thought I had
time for at the moment. My dad he did pass
away from colon cancer also, so I've had you know,
my dad and my mom both affected with cancer, and
(37:09):
it's just I know you.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Have well in March is colon cancer awareness. Oh yeah,
so we're coming up on that, and I think I'm
glad you mentioned that because if you see any symptoms,
book and appointment, because early detection is everything with.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Colon cancer, and that that was what happened. Unfortunately with
my dad, he found out it was you know, stage four,
and he's that you know, he's never went to the doctor,
never complained, you know, just little workhorse, just did his
own thing, and so he had little things that he saw,
but he just never never did it, never got colon
oscby's any of that stuff. And unfortunately he found out, Yeah,
we found out around New Year's one year and then
(37:47):
it was stage four and by the next April he
had passed. So he had two chemos and unfortunately his
body just was you know, too far gone.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I feel like you sharing that now and then with
March being right around the corner, people are and start
seeing more, which is great, but awareness is everything. So
in March, I hope that people are just inundated with
facts and information because your dad, being an older man,
that's who people used to think would just get it.
It was just older men, But it is happening to
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younger and younger and younger people and women too. So
I think I saw a stat that's like one in
twenty four people are going to be diagnosed with call
and cancer. So that's just one of those things that
if you can catch it early, if you have any
of the symptoms, and maybe you're even being told it
(38:37):
could be something else, like oh, maybe it's a hemorrhoid,
or just get a second opinion or listen to your
gut and make sure that you advocate for yourself, because
this is one of those cancers that, yeah, if you
catch it early, your survival rate is very high. If
you don't, or if you ignore something or you go
too long, then that's when it gets deadly, which you
unfortunately had to walk through with your dad. So you
(38:58):
went through that with him, and then you're mom had
breast kines.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Fast forward at three years later. Yeah, my mom was
diagnosed with stage through breast cancer and she felt a lump,
you know, as she she checked herself and felt it
one day, and my mom's a nurse, and yeah, it
was crazy. My daughter was one and you know, had
my business and then my mom ended up coming and
living with me. So I kind of was responsible for
(39:21):
making sure that she had you know, had her little
friends on a chat list and would make sure someone
would come check on her and do all the things.
And you know, we got her all of her appointments.
But just personally seeing what someone goes through, I mean,
it's awful. It's it's brutal, and you always think that,
you know, you see people go through it, or you
hear people go through it, you know, through the grapevine,
but when it's actually your life, like seeing my mom.
(39:43):
And my mom is strong. You know, she had six kids.
She she did all the right things. My mom never
never drank, never smoked, you know, breastfed us, all all
the things that you know supposedly you know, you're right,
your odds of getting cancer less. But yeah, she she
got it, and uh, it was pretty brutal. But yeah,
seeing her come out on the other side was amazing
and I'll never forget. You know, she had kind of
(40:05):
would tell me that she she felt like Frankenstein. And
I helped her out with everything except for like the
like the drains and the stitches and that kind of part.
I get really woozy with with that kind of stuff,
So I couldn't do much of that. So I hadn't
really seen her yet. And then one day my daughter
had run into the bathroom when she got out of
the shower, and it was the first time that I
had seen her, you know, without her breast and you know,
(40:25):
with her stitches out and stuff, and you know, it
was it was hard, you know, that wasn't even my body.
And I mean I had to go upstairs and cry
just because I remember, like, you know, it's hard seeing
someone you think so strong, you know, look like that.
So I can't imagine what's going through her brain, you know,
looking and seeing herself like that every single day. And
so yeah, after that, I start I went, I started
(40:48):
researching all the trainings, and I was like, you know
what this is it, you know, it is time, like
mom is on the other side of her journey, Like
I am ready to go and find training and get certified.
And it was like, you know totally, you know, God
or univer whatever you believe in. A training was going
on that next month in Nashville. You know, which there
wasn't a lot of trainings around, so this, uh, this
(41:09):
girl from Texas was coming and training people, and so
I went and got trained and it's just been a
ongoing thing and it just I feel like it's one
of those things that brows. They make me feel so happy,
and you know, I feel fulfilled. I love my job,
like I love doing all aspects of my job, but
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when I get to do Areolas, it truly it makes
me feel like I am, you know, impacting the world
in such a positive way, and like, you know, I'm
helping fight for my mom and my dad and you know,
all those things. We usually cry they see there. You know,
I've got a big mirror and they stand up and
look in the mirror when we're done, and they start crying.
And then I'm a baby, and I can't see people
(41:49):
cry without crying, so I start crying. I'm surprised I
haven't cried yet, honestly talking about all this, but and
uh yeah, so it just it's it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
It feels good.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
It feels good to restore. It is good to be
on the happy part of people's journeys, you know, because
it's it is a journey, and so when I can
be a part of them feeling more complete and more themselves,
then I I'm just I'm lucky that I get to
do it.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I like that we're complete.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, being a part of that, well, I feel like
we could talk and talk and talk and talk. And
we've talked about a lot of different things, from ar
ketamine to the brows and then your personal experience with
cancer and how that shifted what you even do professionally.
And I know we tease that we may talk about lips,
which we didn't get into. So why don't you just
(42:35):
share quickly what that is that you do and then
where people can find you?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So lip blushing is amazing. I used
to kind of think that, you know, a lot of
my like older clients, I mean, and I mean by older,
I mean like seveny enough. You know clients would come
in and uh want lipstick tattooed on. But that is
not what it is at all. As we age the
border around your lips, it kind of just starts to dissipate.
You look washed out. Some people feel like they their
(43:00):
lips are the same color as their skin, and they'll
go and get filler great, not knocking filler. Filler is fantastic.
But you can plump your lips up until the cows
come home. But if you don't have any color on them,
you don't see your lips, you know. So a lot
of people won't like their lips even with filler unless
they have lips to go on. So what I do
is I go and, like very naturally and gently tattoo
(43:21):
lip color on your lips. And so I do the
whole thing. I do the outline as well as the inside.
I don't just do line or anything. And everything I do,
I want it to be as natural and beautiful as
I can, like truly that Like, oh I just happen
to wake up with perfect lips and eyebrows, you know,
That's that's my goal. So yeah, I just tattoo it
in a nice natural color. People can bring in colors
that they really love if you wear every day. I
(43:43):
usually like to stick with like a you know, pinky
or you know, maybe add moth or some wine or
berry to it, you know, kind of change up the
color that way. But I like it to just be
soft and natural, and it really just enhances your lips
and gives them that pop and you know the same
thing like with the brows, It's like if you're at
the gym or the beach, you just happen to have
really beautiful natural you know, like like little girls or
(44:03):
something who have just like that perfect like lipcolor, Like
that is what we're going for, just like perfect lips
that you just naturally happen to have and and browse.
So lip blushing is fantastic on its own, and then
with filler it is one hundred percent like peanut butter
and jelly, like you absolutely need them both. I love it.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Where can people find you in case they're curious about
the brows, the blushing or the areola.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah, so my website is www www.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Are we aging Ourselves? I still do that sometimes too.
I'd love to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
You can find me on MySpace. But sorry, your top
ten Sorry beauty by Megan m E E g e
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I'm almost forty, so it's I never really read it
in it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I loved watching you at w w W, so.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, beauty, bye Megan dot com. And then your Instagram
is the same thing, except for there's periods like Beauty.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Dot by Dot Megan.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yes, I hate the period, but there's another Beauty by
Megan out there and with the same the E E
G E G e yeah, E e G E in yeah.
And a lot of times people there they'll hear me
and they'll still type in M E E G A N.
So just M E E G E in. So you
can find me on my Instagram or my website and
(45:27):
space or my space. Yeah, of course she's available.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Well, thank you for coming by.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
It's always good to see you, and I will be
booking my appointments in the next few months or so.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
We'll see I
Okay, cats up little food for yourself life.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Oh it's pretty, but hey, it's pretty beautiful than beautiful.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
That's a little more exciting.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
He can cut your kicking with full thing with Amy Brown.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Happy Thursday, four Things Amy here, and my friend Megan
is joining me today for a chat on all kinds
of things. Meghan has come on the podcast before. She
is Beauty by Megan Megan Pearson. So if you have
been a loyal listener for years, you have heard her before.
You maybe even have gone in to see Meghan for
(00:53):
microplading on your brows or even your areola because Megan
works with breast cancer reconstructed breasts. Yeah, tattooing the areola
back on, which we'll get into more of that later
in the episode. And Megan, I've got to walk you
through my whole new situation with my brows and how
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my forehead shape is changing because I'm not getting botox
right now, and we need to come up with a
whole I'm using like a new little pin thing, and
I got my techniques, but I think you're going to
need to come in and save the day for me
once I get in the right place. So I want
your thoughts on that. But before we get into the
more vain side of our conversation, you are the reason
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why I went to get ketamine, So I want to
start with your experience, and I guess I should preface
the entire conversation with the fact that me and I
are not experts in this and are not saying, hey,
go out and do ketamine because it's going to do
this for you since it did something amazing for us.
That's just not the case. But I'm going to re
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in simple terms what ketamine is, so we'll start with that.
It's a medication that was originally used as an anesthetic
in medical and veterinary settings. In recent years, it's been
used and controlled low doses as a treatment for conditions
like depression anxiety, PTSD, and chronic pain. When administered by
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professionals in a clinical setting, which is what we both did,
it can have rapid positive effects on mood and mental health.
So there you go. But Megan, is the reason why
I got ketamine therapy. And I think I was in
the office one day with your cousin. Yeah, Krista was
getting a facial and you're like, Amy, Oh my gosh,
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you have got to check this out. You need to
call Lindy. She has changed my life. This is amazing.
So what led you to even exploring ketamine for yourself
and what was your experience?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Like I have experience, you know, anxiety, not so much
depression depression, but definitely lots of anxiety throughout my life.
Everyone has had their traumas and their childhood and you know,
things like that. So that's a whole won't get in
all that. But at the end of the day, I
just felt like I was really disconnected from like my
childhood and things from my past. And like, you know,
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my therapist Lindy, who you just talked about, you know,
we'd sit there and talk about like little Meekon and
I'm like, I don't even remember her, Like I was
so disconnected from her, and like I said, my childhood
that it was just it was hard for me to
I can show my daughter, my six year old, all
this empathy and all this love, but when it came
to myself, I'm so hard on myself and I can't
show myself that, you know, to me, I look at
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myself and I'm like, dude, you're thirty seven, Suck it up,
you know. But I'm like, I would never say something
that to my child, you know, And I do think
there is a I'm not a therapist, I'm not, but
there's a fine line between worrying so much about your
your past and your child and you know, and lingering
on that and at the end of the day say like, Okay,
I'm an adult, Like we all experienced bad things, Like
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you know, my bad things weren't that bad, but.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well, it's all relative to what you've experienced, Like you
may not have suffered in a way that somebody else has,
but it doesn't minimize your suffering. Yeah, that's yeah, still
gone through something. And I get what you're saying about, Like,
once you're an adult and you have the awareness that
you're operating off of old software, I've heard it explained
in that way of like, Okay, you can keep running
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on your old software if you want to. But if
you're an adult and you have the access to and
you have the ability, which some people may not even
have that awareness or the resources. That's not lost on
me at all. But if you know you're capable of
taking a step closer towards a reboot of sorts and
updating that software, then it's up to you to either
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stay stuck, yes, or move forward with a reboot.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yes. I love that way of explaining it because that's
so true. And that's where I got to the point
where I was like, okay, Megan, like you either like
keep dealing with this or you take a risk and
like try something different and see what happens. And I
was terrified to do kemine. I'm not gonna lie because
I don't even drink, Like I am very I'm a
control freak ever since I had my daughter, you know,
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becoming a single mom. I don't like anything that makes me,
you know, scared, I'm not going to be me or
have control of situations. So the thought of it being
I remember like talking to Lindy and being like, Lindy,
what do we go under and I like snap and
we find out like I'm a schizophrenic and I never
go back to being me again, or I like all
these crazy, like irrational fears that were going on. But again,
I just got so sick of feeling the same, you
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know that I was like, it's just it's time for
a change. And I really wanted to make sure that
I set my intentions and I knew that what I
was going in there for was you know, to kind
of try and you know, nurture my my inner child
or my little Megan, you know, if you will, and
just show myself that same empathy and love that I
show my daughter. So, you know, Lindy is very good
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about explaining to you that, you know, you do want
to make sure you have a set in and goal,
you know, as you know going in there. I know
there are practices where they have ketamine clinics where people
can just go and you know, get hooked, you know,
into a machine and you know, do the ivy that way.
I'm very happy that the way I did it was
in more of a I don't ritual you know, or
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a profession I don't know how you want to.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I mean she did set it up in a very
ritual way and like you sit and you have your
little bowl with your thing that you put under your tongue. Yeah,
I don't know what that lost loss and yeah, and
it was very each time I went, we did it
the exact same way.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yes, and you set your intention. She does either you know,
if you are religious and you want a prayer, if
you want just a you know, overall message just kind
of you can kind of tell her what you wanting
to read to you. Yeah, yeah, and she reads it
to you, and you know, she makes it very clear
that she's there for you. You know, if you want comfort, support,
you know, you have asked her, you know, to which
I did. I ended up asking her one day. I
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was like, Lindy, I need your hand to just because
I felt really alone. And uh, and so she's just
she makes it a really wonderful It's it's a practice
and it's a ritual and then you have you have
your session.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
So what I found difficult was having the thing in
my mouth and you can't swallow, yes, I know, for
fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And I would look at her.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
And be like, shoot, I just swallowed. And I didn't
want to mess up.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I wanted to do everything right. I wanted my experience
to go well. And she's like, it's okay, don't worry
about it.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Just try not to swallow it again, because when you
get zoned out, like yes, you can't help it, that's
what you.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Do, David.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I swallowed again, and I would be freaking out and
she's like, it's okay, stay calm, and I'm like no,
I'm wrecking my nervous system before I even do this
because I fear that I'm going to do it right.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, So that to me was oh yeah, and it
tastes terrible. It tastes terrible, like just weird. But yeah, yeah,
I brought my like I brought I don't know if
you did this, but I brought my favorite blanket. I'm
a textures per if you can't tell, I love the
way stuff feels. But I brought my heating pad. I
brought my favorite blanket, like yeah, and you just like
you do your little ritual and then you lay on
the ground and I laid on my heating pad with
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my blanket and put your ol mask on and you
you're kind of just gone for about three hours, you know,
in your own she has a guy to play. But
other than that, it's not I didn't know if it
was going to be a verbal there, you know, or
what it was going to be, but you know, it
just the music, just the music. Yeah, your head takes
you on a journey.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah you need to go.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
But I could tell I was going because you're aware
that you're there, but then you're not. Yeah, you're on
this journey in your brain. But I would definitely go
different places when the song would change, things would just
be different.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I was.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I wasn't controlling that as well at all.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It was all in my.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Own Yeah, yeah, it was subconscious, but yeah, yeah, well
I had I ended up having one of the final
pushes was I had a neighbor who was a VET,
and he was like telling me how life changing it was,
and you know, his his wife came to me and
she was like, you know, and I've actually heard this
several times since then, is like with vets and people
like that is their only explanation of it is that
they finally came home, you know, from from who they
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had turned you know and changed to be from like war,
you know, from things like that that you know, he
was finally home, which I loved, you know, for me,
the thought of that, it was just super impactful. But
and then I had a client the very the day
before I was supposed to go. I was like super nervous,
and long story short, my favorite color's yellow. So this
client walks in and she has a yellow rose and
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she was a last minute cancelation that just got in
real quick. And so she comes in with a rose
and like she was just so sweet and spiritual and
just like you know, I just I was vibing with
her and I'd mentioned something about ketamine and she looked
at me and she just stopped. She goes, Megan, your
life is about to be changed. And that's not something
I would usually share with just like random strangers or
random clients that like I'm about to go dose myself
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up on ketemine, you know, like that's not my usual.
But I felt very compelled to talk to her about it.
And she had done it, and she had reassured me
and just all the affirmations that I needed to hear
that like it was I was going to be okay,
you know, and it was a good idea to do it.
And so and I trust Lindy wholeheartedly. She's been my
therapist for six years now, I believe. So I went
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in there that day and I'll I'll just tell you
that the first little thing that happened because to most people,
like to me, that was the most impactful. Like I said,
I've got really disconnected with my childhood and my little
I can't even picture what I did, what I looked like,
any of those things. So we do the ritual. I
put my blindfold on or my mask on, and I
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lay down and the song starts coming on, and you know,
I see, I'm out in the woods, and it's just
the most beautiful, you know, spring day, and every all
the colors were vivid and bright, and you know, the
yellows were super super bright in the greens. And I
see this little girl, this little blonde girl, just running
through the woods and I look, and you know, I'm
kind of watching her, and she's just laughing and playing
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and you know, running around, and I start to walk
closer to her, and I look and I was like,
oh my god, like that's me, you know. And I mean,
I'm telling you like I was. I was standing there
in that forest just like me and you were standing
here today. You know, I felt I was there, you know.
And so she's running and playing and like giggling, and
it was the first time that I just even could
see myself at that age. So I start like hyperventily crying,
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like like I've never cried in my life before. I mean,
my whole body was truly crying. It was insane. And
then all of a sudden, my a six year old
and she runs out and starts playing with little Me.
So I am watching myself play with my daughter and
just like being a kid. And then all of a sudden,
you know, they kind of see me and they you know, giggling,
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and they run over to me, and I you know,
sit down on the ground and both girls come up
to me and sit on each of my lap, and
like I am kissing them both, and like I'm telling,
you know, little Me, all the things that I tell Hnley,
you know, about how beautiful you are and how worthy
and hustle. You know, I'm kissing Henley and you know,
I'm telling myself and her both of those things. And
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like again, I am like my whole body is like
convulsing crying at this point. And then little Me just
looks up and grabs my face and says, you know,
it's okay. You know, I know you love me. And
I was like, ah, it'll make me cry out, but
I was like that's powerful. It was so like here,
that was just like it was just it. And then
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and then I remember like just this release. Like I'm
telling you, like I had never breathed in my entire
life before I'd had a lot of like back pain
and a lot of just stiffness in my body, and
I thought it was my job. You know, I hunch
all day and so I'm like, oh, it's because you know,
And then I find out later on it's a term
they kind of call body armor armoring where you're always
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tense and tight and cut, you know, when you've been
in fight or flight for a long time. So I
did that one ketamine session and like all of my
body pain was gone. And again, this might not be
what anyone else experiences or for anyone else, but you know,
I'm not saying go do it for back paint, but
for me, like it was just I was holding on.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Because you were doing the armoring.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah that some people's back pain might be from something
else exactly, it may not be that, but for you,
I can even tell. But now with the tears streaming
down your face, that like what a release that first
session did for you or what it impact and yeah,
you're it would forever changed.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
It was from me, yeah, And that was the I
had like four experiences like that my first session alone.
That was literally within the first like ten fifteen minutes
you know, of me being there and having that release,
and I mean I just my body, like it felt
like I had never truly laid down before, you know,
like my the heaviness of my body and stuff. I
was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Like so like whenaid you said something a minute ago
like you had not breathed. Yeah, So to me, I
hear that, it's like almost like you finally got to
exhale yes, like.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yesh and just be yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And so if that's in the first fifteen minutes, because
you're laying there anywhere from two to.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Three hours, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And then you sort of just come out of it
and then you're like, oh wow, three hours and it's
gone by, well yes, yeah, wild journey through yeah, the forest,
the woods. Like I spent time in the ocean, I
just kept emerging from the water in almost like a
cheer stance of like and nailing my move. Yeah. I
like here I am and I'm nailing it, like I'm
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proud of myself. And I think that was some stuff
with younger me of not ever thinking I was capable.
And I just kept emerging from the water almost like
I am capable hear me roarugh. And I had not
an experience like you where I was crying in a
compulsive way but I had such peace coming out of that,
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and I think I still went at a time where
my nervous system was a little bit in chaos. So
I still haven't done my fourth session. I've done three.
I'm very curious to go and I've talked to Lindy
about this and doing my fourth where I feel as
calm as I ever have felt, and my nervous system
feels very regulated, and I know that that's life. There's
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ebbs and flows and you never know what could be
around the corner. But I'm in a season right now
where my nervous system feels very stable, and I'm very
curious to go and do a treatment without any chaos,
I think because I wonder how much more or where
we'll go. Yeah, because you don't know, you don't know
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where you're going to go. I mean, you can set
your intention, but you don't know how it's going to
show up. Like why was I in the ocean, emerging
in the water. Why Sometimes it was like laying the ocean,
my deceased mother and father to the left and the
right of me, just laying there with me with their
arms crossed over their chests, like just laying there with me.
And then my sister's a frog, like, yeah, she's what.
And then my second time, she was a zebra playing
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the drums. But it was more than just her playing
the drums, like she was my person who was like
keeping the beat for me.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Oh I love that. Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
In a band, the drummer is keeping the beat for everybody. Yeah,
like everybody is relying on the drummer. If the drummer's off,
everything's off. Yeah, And that's why I oftentimes it's like
the drummer that's like well to and they're the one
that start everything.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
And so my.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Sister was she is my my go to, like my
safe space, like she helps me find my read she's
four years older. Okay thought, but she's also come to
you for brow Yes, I love her.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Else to really explain my experience. People, Just if it's
something you've been thinking about, do the research, talk to people.
Word of mouth is everything, and going to someone where
you know other people have had a good experience, Like
I think me showing up in Lindy's office and doing
that is because I trust you and you had such
a good experience, and she has been your therapist for
(16:30):
six or seven years when you finally decided to try
the ketamine part. It's not like and certainly you could
google someone and show up and have a good experience,
but it's not like that's what you had to do.
You had been with her, you have a trusted relationship
with her, and then she decided to do this with you,
which so she was your therapist first, like talk therapy,
and then you did that, whereas with me, I went
(16:50):
and did the ketemine with her, and then she became
my talk therapist because so much was happening during my
sessions and I really want to just open up about
everything and lay it all out. And I could tell
she was a safe space. There's no judgment at all.
And I have another amazing therapist, but I just thought, well,
I might shift to this because now so much is
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out on the table. Yes, I think that there's stuff
I held back from my other therapist, and I wanted
a fresh start with like here's it.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
All, yeah, all on the table, holding back and yeah
and Lindy. And I mean, I went to a great
therapist too before that, and I loved her, but man,
I don't know what it is about Lindy. She is
just instant like regulation for me, Like I could hear
her voice, you know, and she is just the most
calm and peaceful. But yeah, she's amazing. And I've had
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a couple people who had went to like one of
my clients who was she had it done in California.
She said she went to like several different therapists and
almost like interviewed them. If you will you know who
all did ketamine, because not everyone is the right fit
for everyone. So I think it's really important that you
said it is like referrals, and not only that, but
like knowing that you can check out other people. You know,
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you can check out a couple different people and like,
because nervous system is everything, and whoever you feel regulated
around and calm with. Because when I did, kind of meine,
I was in such a good state. I wasn't anxious
when I actually did it, you know, I wasn't having
anxiety for the first time in my life when I
actually did it, which was kind of lovely because I
felt like my body was just like ready to open up,
(18:21):
you know, with any and everything. So I think it'll
be fun for you to go now, like you said,
when your nervous system is so regulated and like, and
people told me too, They're like, not necessarily what you
think is going to come up will come up, but
what you need is what's going to come up. And
some of the things that you go through are hard,
like or for me, like I had weird stuff too,
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like in one I was like this warrior video game girl, Like,
I mean, it was just crazy stuff, but like all
the hard things, you know, like you've mentioned your you know,
your parents and stuff, and I had some hard things
come up as well with family and stuff. And it
was hard, but it wasn't hard in like a negative
way that makes sense. Like it wasn't like a bad,
scary hard you know. It was like a uh a
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liberating in like a free you know, a peaceful, freeing hard. Yeah.
So it wasn't even though it was hard, Like again,
it wasn't scary, Like I was worried that stuff that
was scary was gonna come up, and thankfully, hard things
came up, but none of it was like bad.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
When you were talking about childhood, you it made me
think of this quote, so I pulled it up and
the author is unknown, but it's there are only two
people in the world, you need to care about their opinion.
It's not your mom, your dad, your spouse, your kids,
your boss, or your friends. It's the eight year old
version of you and the eighty year old version of you.
You have lived a good life if you impress those
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two people.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Oh oh that gave me chills, goosebumps. Right, Yes, it's
such a good Oh.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
That's a quote one and yeah eight year old you
an eighty year old Yeah? How can you make those
two people.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Completely different people? People that are completely consumed with total
different aspects of life? You know? Oh? I love that. Yeah,
that's a good one to think on too.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
We can pivot now and we'll get into browse, botox
and breast. Your mom had breast cancer. It got you
into a whole thing. And I know your dad had
cancer as well, so we'll touch on that. But that's
like me now. I'm trying to figure out my botox
situation or my no botox situation for my eighty year
(20:25):
old self.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I was trying to figure that out.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
And even when I started pilates a few months ago,
I started for eighty year old me because I saw
this podcast, I say, Saul, because I was watching it
on YouTube. This person was talking about osteoporosis and women,
and I think she may have been a surgeon, like
a hip surgeon. She said a lot of people that
she works with like if they fall in their eighties
and she's having to perform surgery on them. She said,
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pilates is the number one thing she would tell women
to start now, or some sort of training like that
that helps get you ready for when you fall when
you're old, so that we don't end up on the
operating table. And I thought, Okay, I'm going to go
to pilates right now, which I'm sure there's other exercises
and workouts you could do. That just happened to be
(21:10):
what she mentioned. And I was already interested in plates
and that has been something that has felt very good
to me at the moment and just listening to my body.
Yeah need So I'm doing that, doing the pilates right now.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
For eighty year old year old me, she'll be proud.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
It's so proud of you.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, eight year old AMI's really probably proud of me.
But eight year old Amy also got called half brow
because that's where I well, probably wasn't eight year old me,
but probably teenage me when I started to put on
my brows, and then I would go swimming and then
I would come out of the water.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
And I remember one time someone was like, oh, hey,
half brow, and I thought, oh, but.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
That's in my insecurity about my brows first started. And
so then that led to this whole thing of trying
to figure out my brows. And it's been a whole journey,
and so we'll get into.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It runs deep our relationship.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yes, why meeting you has been so helpful for my confidence,
and so we'll talk about the botox brows and breasts next.
Let's talk about the superficial yes, yeah, surface you things,
(22:21):
which is that I've stopped the botox and my brows
are changing. Yeah, which made me think, like, I've been
coming to you with botox. So why is it that
as the botox is dissolving in my forehead now my
brows are changing. And what do you think the solution
needs to be? Because right now I am drawing them
on myself and I have a new appreciation for your
(22:42):
steady hand and how you can even do hair like strokes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Well it took a lot of practice, I will say that,
but being a megup artist, you know, for ten years
of my life, like I've always you know, had a
more artistic flair, like that's always been my thing. But
I will say it's definitely harder to draw on the brows.
Everyone always says that that's like something that they don't
understand how I can do. But I'm glad that ya can't,
because I wouldn't have a job if everyone could do
their brows perfect every day.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So thank youful to have your website.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
When I was just getting your website so I can
link it in the show notes for people, a review
popped up from Valerie. Yeah, yeah, you know that is okay,
she said here, I'm not the most artistic person, so
feeling in my eyebrows has always been more guesswork than talent.
That is until I chose Megan for microblading. My eyebrows
are the perfect color and shape for my face and
I never have to worry about them again. Megan truly
(23:31):
works magic. Now that's got to be Oh. I love
good to hear it, and I can attest to that too.
But even finding the perfect color and shape for someone's
face and thinking about that and color and how it
can change over time, like if someone gets their brows
micro bladed. Will use me now as an example because
my face shape is now changing because the botox is dissolving.
(23:54):
I want a new game plan with you of what
you think we should do. And your plan is maybe
we layer I'm off again and start over.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah. I heard a girl talking, a girl that I
followed that does what I do, and she's fantastic, and
she was talking about how it seems so taboo and
when you talk about lasering your brows off, everyone thinks
it's because you had a botch job or someone didn't
know what they're doing. That's not always the case. At
the end of the day, styles change. You know, your
face changes, you know, the structure of your brows change.
(24:23):
Techniques change. I mean the tools and the pigments that
I'm using today versus seven years ago are completely different.
You know, they have gotten so much better. So sometimes
at the end of the day, when it comes to migration, aging,
all of those things, the best option is to go
and get a quick laser session. You know, they have
the Piko laser.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I don't know a whole lot of the technology about that.
That's not my field, but there's so many great technicians
out there who do the Piko laser. It usually takes
five minutes to do. It's around two hundred fifty dollars
and one session usually completely that's the brows off and
that's usually all you need. And the girl that I
a referencing, she put it in terms like this, and
(25:03):
it really resonated with me because I've had filler done
in my lips and I've had it dissolved before. So
when you think about filler you're putting in your lips,
eventually it's going to start migrating out. So the normal
thing an injector is going to do is tell you
we need to dissolve it and restart, like that's a
very normal thing to do, and no one blinks an eye.
It's not a bad thing to do. You just dissolve it,
redo it so browse. We're kind of trying to change
(25:25):
the narrative like that is sometimes what needs to happen
with your brows as well. As the color migrates as
you age, sometimes it can look a little blurry and
washed out after four years on certain skin types, so
removal might just be the best option for you.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Okay, So I think that's what I'm going to have
to do, I'm going to book my appointment, which if
people are local. The Pico laser is that Franklin.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yes, Franklin's skin and laser. They're They're fantastic. I can't
tell you how many people I've sent to them. They
do one little zapp on most people's brows, and that's
plenty for me to go back in and completely redo them.
It's not pain free, but it's very quick, which is lovely,
and it's not bad price point.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well, as I'm just getting my new baseline of what
my face is looking like as the botox dissolves, which
I think I'm on month four, and when I was
looking it up, it said, depending on how your body
metabolizes the bowtox, it can take anywhere from three to
six months to get it out. I'm not anti it,
so I don't know. Am I going to get it
conservatively again and just make sure I don't go over
(26:24):
a certain amount of units because I don't want to
have the muscle atrophy take place, which is the reason
why I halted it. As I'm aging it's I'm almost
forty four or forty four year old me looking out
for sixty year old me because I think in the
moment right now, it's easy to be like, oh yeah,
I'll just get it here here and here and here,
but not thinking about how my skin is going to
(26:45):
be down the line because I maybe over talxed. So
I know this is very vain, but I think brows
are an important part of the face, at least for me.
I know when I wash my face and my brows
come off, I instantly look different. I have the ones
that you microbladeed in, but right now, because of the
the botox leaving, my brows are spreading apart in the middle,
(27:09):
so I'm having to draw them in. Now, when you're
doing the brows on our face, are you doing the
measurements that I'm seeing online? I never know because I'm
laying on your table and my eyes are closed.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
But do you have like a ruler.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And is there guidelines you go by or do you
just listen to what the client wants?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
No, so I would love to listen to what the
client wants, But a lot of times clients will show
me a picture tell me what they want. I'm like,
I would love that too, But that's not my structure,
that's not my muscles. You know, people don't think about
your brow muscles or what's actually going to change, you know,
where they lift. So I might add as much detail
and as much you know lift as possible as I
(27:46):
can get them. But if your brows are completely flat,
there's only so much I can do. And I am
not the artist that's going to go in there and
you know, shave off a brow and put it back
on where you think you want it. Artists actually do that,
you know, or they'll they'll shave off half the brow
and completely like put one brow, you know, your brow
where it technically should be, you know, like having the
(28:07):
perfect you know ratio like Kardashian brow or something. But
that's just not everyone's face structure.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So yeah, So does someone just continue to shave their brows?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Over like if if the artist does that, yeah, then
they have to just continue shaving their brows the hair grows.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, yeah, otherwise you'll have a gnarly thick brow, or
you might have two tails. I've seen that a lot
where people have come in and an artist has put
a tail completely where their tail is not, and so
they'll literally have two tails at the end of their brow.
I am not the artist that's going to do that
to people. I think about what it's going to look
like today as well as what it's going to look
like in a year from now, you know, when you
(28:45):
have aged, and you know, trends do change. But I
very much draw it on your own face. Like I
don't use stensiles or rulers or anything like that. I
do take a couple of markings just as far as
like you know, I can't show you, but you really
don't want the end the brow the tail to go,
you know, much further than the corner of your eye,
so you kind of go corner of the nose, corner
(29:06):
of the eye to the corner of the brow. If
you start getting below that, that's what's going to drop
your brow, you know, make you look not lifted, you know,
age you a little bit.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That's why I have my my NYX my new brow
pencil that I ordered called Lift.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
And Snatch, so you're lifted and Snatch.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Everyone wants my drugs Lift and Snatch, So I you know,
I'm a little shaky when I'm doing it though, and
it's definitely taking up a huge chunk of my getting
ready time.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, so I'm pretty pumped to go get lasered yeah,
and then.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Come back in and get an appointment with you so
that I can get that time back because I have
to get ready pretty early in the morning and I
need to be on for work like makeup. Wise, I
can't just roll into the office.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, and you can't your brow throughout the day and
then like you literally have like no tail or something
if it's just drawn on. So that's why. Yeah, microplaning,
it just it really, you know, not to be dramatic,
but it does change your life, you know. And I
don't I think it's just vain. I think it's something
that you know, I think we've talked about that before,
like when you look good, when you feel good, like
(30:06):
you're gonna do better in life, you know. That's why, Like,
as cheesy as it is, I started wearing like all
my Friely dresses because for the longest time, I'd wear
like jeans and tea and I was like, you know what,
like I feel beautiful in like dresses, so you know what,
like I don't care if I'm going to the grocery store,
like I'm gonna wear the dang dress, you know, And
it's you just feel better. So I don't think any
of that stuff is vain. I think it's really important.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Okay, good, well, I just want to clarify because sometimes
I feel like, oh, this is silly stuff. I was
having a conversation with a friend the other day who
someone in their life has cancer, and they were like,
what so much is just so insignificant to me right now?
And this has really put life into perspective. And I
know you can relate to that as well. And you
work with cancer patients all the time with your talent,
and you know, you walk through cancer with your mother,
(30:49):
so you know that at times it's like, Okay, none
of this stuff really matters, but also it's okay, two
things can be true at the same time. Does it
really matter, not totally, but does it also help me
in life and make me more confident and save me time? Yeah? Yes, yes,
So two things can be true, yeah, at the same time.
And I think it's when you start to prioritize it
(31:11):
over other things. Oh you're gonna, yeah, not realize what's
really important, or you let it ruin your day, Like
if you have a bad brow day and you like
are just like.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Oh, it ruined my whole you know, like okay, come on,
you know we all have bad days or you wear something,
you know, whatever. But yeah, well I like that.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
You mentioned that too about the clothes, because that can
really impact your mood, your overall mental health. Like how
you show up. It's like dopamine dressing. Yea, Like when
you get dressed and you know, you feel confident and
it's your go to outfit, your go to color, or
your type of outfit, whatever that is for you. For you,
(31:47):
it's dresses. You just said that. For someone else, it
might be a cute sweat set. Yes, oh, I know
you love sweatpants too.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I love my sweatpants.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
But whatever gives you that confidence to walk out. And
this is what I feel best, And this is the
color that I love. Who cares if it's on trend
or what anybody else is doing. This is what helps
me feel good. It's your dopamine dressing.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, I love that. I've never even heard of it
as dopamine dressing, but I'm gonna think of that. I
even do it at home too. Like this sounds so cheesy,
but a couple months ago I saw these like silk
pajamas from Target and I got them in every color now,
and like I walk around my house, like with no
one there except for my six year old, feeling like
a princess in my like fluffy slippers and my silk pajamas,
(32:29):
and I like wake up feeling like I'm in this
fairy tale and stuff, and I'm like, it's all because
of my you know, I'm doing dishes and I'm like, oh,
I'm just I mean my silk pajamas. So I'm happy,
you know. So it's yeah, it matters.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, it's a way that you're bringing yourself that confidence
even at home, or you feeling your best and even
that whimsy. Cat and I were talking about this the
other day. Someone had posted like how do you bring
the whimsy into your life and the whimsical moments? And
you were talking about doing dishes like that. And one
of the things that someone shared was when I'm doing
my dishes, I talk to the dishes like, hey, are.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You ready for bath time?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And it's just bringing in playfulness and feeling fun and
even confident in your own home. And that's you with
your silk or satin or whatever pajamas from Target, which
now I need to know which ones these are because
I want to get on the link.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
They're so soft, They're so cute, and I do, and
like I light my candle at night, you know, before
I get my shower, and I put on my like
you know, Seer McGlaughlin playlist or whatever, you know, kind
of cheesy stuff and like I just, yeah, I shower,
It's like just my little me time and my happiness
and yeah, put on my soft, silky stuff and yeah,
just makes you happy. Now I can do that with
(33:47):
my brows fully intact if I would take a shower
or bath once I get my new session with you.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
But I guess I have some steps to take before that.
First I want the boatox to fully dissolve. Yes, Then
I need to go get the Pico laser. Then I'm
going to book an appointment. And then as I age
too it and trends change is just different. So yeah,
when I first started seeing you years ago, it makes
sense that we might need to alter it and change.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
How much makeup style change if you look at like
celebrities on the red carpet, like even when I did makeup,
you know, I look at my first like red carpets
with my girls, like you know, Kelsey and stuff, and
I'm like, oh my gosh, like it has changed drastically.
So it's like, you know, permanent makeup. It's permanent, you know, essentially,
but you can still get it lasered off. You can
still make changes, you know. And I found two over
(34:32):
the past, you know, a couple of years that my
style has changed so much with like openness and airiness.
I think we're seeing a lot of like oversaturated brows,
and partly because you know, it might be the artist,
but partly because I'll have clients that literally want to
come to me every year they're like, oh, I see
a spot, it's time to get microplating. Ope, I see
a spot and that's just not really okay. That that
(34:53):
was me I would do that. I feel like I
see a spot and now I.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Think I've altered that too. So what do you mean
by open and airiness? Because I think I know because
I feel like that's where I'm headed with it. But
I want to know what you're seeing with it.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
So if you think about, okay, the reason that microblading
and these you know, strokes look real is because they
look like hair strokes. They have negative space in between them,
so that openness, that airiness. If you were to put
a stroke stroke, stroke right beside each other, right on
top of each other, like it's gonna look like a railroad,
or it's just gonna look like a blob. Like it's
not even gonna look like strokes anymore. So I like
(35:27):
to leave a little bit of open space between them.
I like for them to be a little more you know,
staggered and not so uniform. You know. I tell everyone,
it looks fantastic for days that you are going to
the gym or people who are you know, if you're
at the beach or a pool and you're not wearing makeup,
it looks great. It doesn't look oversaturated or overdone. But
then at the end of the day, if you are
wearing makeup, like if you are going and do something,
(35:49):
it takes two seconds to put powder in it because
you already have this great guideline. So it's like you
can have you can have both. You know, you can
have like really natural you know browse, or you can
have more you know, made up kind of glam brows.
But if you if you do the oversaturation and the
glanm browse, you know, you tattoo that on every day,
Like that is what you're stuck with, you know, twenty
four to seven. So yeah, so I like to leave
(36:10):
them just open and airy.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Okay, I think I'm excited about my brow rebrand.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Oh I too, honestly, are really exactly I'm glad we
talked about this to coming up.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I'll keep it all posted on the process.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
But I know so many people that have listened have
come to you for brows or even their breast So
I want you to touch on the passion side of
your work. I know you're passionate about both, but being
able to give women confidence back if they have lost
their breasts because of breast cancer. Just share a little
bit of that, just in case there's one person that
(36:41):
needs to know your info, your number, or they have
a BFF or a sister that needs to be calling
you to be able to get that confidence back.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yes, yes, oh I love it. That is where my
heart is. I love brows. I love it. But I'd
always seen the areolas and been like, oh, I'm going
to do that one day. You know, you just put
it in your back pocket and you think about it.
But I'm busy doing all my other things. You know,
that was the last thing that I thought I had
time for at the moment. My dad he did pass
away from colon cancer also, so I've had you know,
my dad and my mom both affected with cancer, and
(37:09):
it's just I know you.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Have well in March is colon cancer awareness. Oh yeah,
so we're coming up on that, and I think I'm
glad you mentioned that because if you see any symptoms,
book and appointment, because early detection is everything with.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Colon cancer, and that that was what happened. Unfortunately with
my dad, he found out it was you know, stage four,
and he's that you know, he's never went to the doctor,
never complained, you know, just little workhorse, just did his
own thing, and so he had little things that he saw,
but he just never never did it, never got colon
oscby's any of that stuff. And unfortunately he found out, Yeah,
we found out around New Year's one year and then
(37:47):
it was stage four and by the next April he
had passed. So he had two chemos and unfortunately his
body just was you know, too far gone.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I feel like you sharing that now and then with
March being right around the corner, people are and start
seeing more, which is great, but awareness is everything. So
in March, I hope that people are just inundated with
facts and information because your dad, being an older man,
that's who people used to think would just get it.
It was just older men, But it is happening to
(38:16):
younger and younger and younger people and women too. So
I think I saw a stat that's like one in
twenty four people are going to be diagnosed with call
and cancer. So that's just one of those things that
if you can catch it early, if you have any
of the symptoms, and maybe you're even being told it
(38:37):
could be something else, like oh, maybe it's a hemorrhoid,
or just get a second opinion or listen to your
gut and make sure that you advocate for yourself, because
this is one of those cancers that, yeah, if you
catch it early, your survival rate is very high. If
you don't, or if you ignore something or you go
too long, then that's when it gets deadly, which you
unfortunately had to walk through with your dad. So you
(38:58):
went through that with him, and then you're mom had
breast kines.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Fast forward at three years later. Yeah, my mom was
diagnosed with stage through breast cancer and she felt a lump,
you know, as she she checked herself and felt it
one day, and my mom's a nurse, and yeah, it
was crazy. My daughter was one and you know, had
my business and then my mom ended up coming and
living with me. So I kind of was responsible for
(39:21):
making sure that she had you know, had her little
friends on a chat list and would make sure someone
would come check on her and do all the things.
And you know, we got her all of her appointments.
But just personally seeing what someone goes through, I mean,
it's awful. It's it's brutal, and you always think that,
you know, you see people go through it, or you
hear people go through it, you know, through the grapevine,
but when it's actually your life, like seeing my mom.
(39:43):
And my mom is strong. You know, she had six kids.
She she did all the right things. My mom never
never drank, never smoked, you know, breastfed us, all all
the things that you know supposedly you know, you're right,
your odds of getting cancer less. But yeah, she she
got it, and uh, it was pretty brutal. But yeah,
seeing her come out on the other side was amazing
and I'll never forget. You know, she had kind of
(40:05):
would tell me that she she felt like Frankenstein. And
I helped her out with everything except for like the
like the drains and the stitches and that kind of part.
I get really woozy with with that kind of stuff,
So I couldn't do much of that. So I hadn't
really seen her yet. And then one day my daughter
had run into the bathroom when she got out of
the shower, and it was the first time that I
had seen her, you know, without her breast and you know,
(40:25):
with her stitches out and stuff, and you know, it
was it was hard, you know, that wasn't even my body.
And I mean I had to go upstairs and cry
just because I remember, like, you know, it's hard seeing
someone you think so strong, you know, look like that.
So I can't imagine what's going through her brain, you know,
looking and seeing herself like that every single day. And
so yeah, after that, I start I went, I started
(40:48):
researching all the trainings, and I was like, you know
what this is it, you know, it is time, like
mom is on the other side of her journey, Like
I am ready to go and find training and get certified.
And it was like, you know totally, you know, God
or univer whatever you believe in. A training was going
on that next month in Nashville. You know, which there
wasn't a lot of trainings around, so this, uh, this
(41:09):
girl from Texas was coming and training people, and so
I went and got trained and it's just been a
ongoing thing and it just I feel like it's one
of those things that brows. They make me feel so happy,
and you know, I feel fulfilled. I love my job,
like I love doing all aspects of my job, but
(41:29):
when I get to do Areolas, it truly it makes
me feel like I am, you know, impacting the world
in such a positive way, and like, you know, I'm
helping fight for my mom and my dad and you know,
all those things. We usually cry they see there. You know,
I've got a big mirror and they stand up and
look in the mirror when we're done, and they start crying.
And then I'm a baby, and I can't see people
(41:49):
cry without crying, so I start crying. I'm surprised I
haven't cried yet, honestly talking about all this, but and
uh yeah, so it just it's it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
It feels good.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
It feels good to restore. It is good to be
on the happy part of people's journeys, you know, because
it's it is a journey, and so when I can
be a part of them feeling more complete and more themselves,
then I I'm just I'm lucky that I get to
do it.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I like that we're complete.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, being a part of that, well, I feel like
we could talk and talk and talk and talk. And
we've talked about a lot of different things, from ar
ketamine to the brows and then your personal experience with
cancer and how that shifted what you even do professionally.
And I know we tease that we may talk about lips,
which we didn't get into. So why don't you just
(42:35):
share quickly what that is that you do and then
where people can find you?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So lip blushing is amazing. I used
to kind of think that, you know, a lot of
my like older clients, I mean, and I mean by older,
I mean like seveny enough. You know clients would come
in and uh want lipstick tattooed on. But that is
not what it is at all. As we age the
border around your lips, it kind of just starts to dissipate.
You look washed out. Some people feel like they their
(43:00):
lips are the same color as their skin, and they'll
go and get filler great, not knocking filler. Filler is fantastic.
But you can plump your lips up until the cows
come home. But if you don't have any color on them,
you don't see your lips, you know. So a lot
of people won't like their lips even with filler unless
they have lips to go on. So what I do
is I go and, like very naturally and gently tattoo
(43:21):
lip color on your lips. And so I do the
whole thing. I do the outline as well as the inside.
I don't just do line or anything. And everything I do,
I want it to be as natural and beautiful as
I can, like truly that Like, oh I just happen
to wake up with perfect lips and eyebrows, you know,
That's that's my goal. So yeah, I just tattoo it
in a nice natural color. People can bring in colors
that they really love if you wear every day. I
(43:43):
usually like to stick with like a you know, pinky
or you know, maybe add moth or some wine or
berry to it, you know, kind of change up the
color that way. But I like it to just be
soft and natural, and it really just enhances your lips
and gives them that pop and you know the same
thing like with the brows, It's like if you're at
the gym or the beach, you just happen to have
really beautiful natural you know, like like little girls or
(44:03):
something who have just like that perfect like lipcolor, Like
that is what we're going for, just like perfect lips
that you just naturally happen to have and and browse.
So lip blushing is fantastic on its own, and then
with filler it is one hundred percent like peanut butter
and jelly, like you absolutely need them both. I love it.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Where can people find you in case they're curious about
the brows, the blushing or the areola.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah, so my website is www www.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Are we aging Ourselves? I still do that sometimes too.
I'd love to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
You can find me on MySpace. But sorry, your top
ten Sorry beauty by Megan m E E g e
N dot com. Please don't take that out because it does.
I'm almost forty, so it's I never really read it
in it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I loved watching you at w w W, so.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, beauty, bye Megan dot com. And then your Instagram
is the same thing, except for there's periods like Beauty.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Dot by Dot Megan.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yes, I hate the period, but there's another Beauty by
Megan out there and with the same the E E
G E G e yeah, E e G E in yeah.
And a lot of times people there they'll hear me
and they'll still type in M E E G A N.
So just M E E G E in. So you
can find me on my Instagram or my website and
(45:27):
space or my space. Yeah, of course she's available.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Well, thank you for coming by.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
It's always good to see you, and I will be
booking my appointments in the next few months or so.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
We'll see I
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