Bob Goff: Love Does. Everybody Always. Dreaming Big. Gratitude & Motivation. (#49)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Okay, little food for you. So life. Oh it's pretty Bay,
It's pretty beautiful laughs, a little mouth kicking. Four. So

(00:33):
I have Bob Goff with me today for all four thanks.
And I'm sure most of you listening probably know of
Bob Goff, but for the few of you that don't,
I'm so excited for you to uh here this entire episode.
Like you, you're just you're just gonna love it. I've
been sitting with him here for about five minutes before

(00:53):
we hit record, and I already have so much wisdom
like but little like you, I would be like, Okay,
Bob came in, did his thing. You can go now,
Like I feel good. I know we have so much
more to talk about, but I mean he already pinned
gave me a medal of a medal for being an
adoptive mother, and that just made me feel so special.
And you gave me two medals for my kids. Oh man,

(01:15):
I'm just so glad to be here. I think we
should do that more. That whole idea of honoring people,
just say, like you can get a nickel metal and
just carry them around like and just recognize things and
people and really take a moment It's not like a
car tcheck. It's just what you do is you just
take a moment with the people that you're with, even
if you're listening right now, and just call out something

(01:36):
you've seen in them and just to ignal. I mean, yeah,
and I guess it doesn't even take the actual physical
thing to acknowledge that we should all be walking around
looking like the joint chiefs of Staff. This is definitely
I mean, I my new thing is he pinned it
right on my denim jacket. And my new thing is
going to be that I'm just gonna start collecting, yes,

(01:57):
and I'm going to be like the next event I
go to m what do they call it? My and
my dress blues, my decor what are you looking at? Yeah? Yeah,
these are my medals. And I gave myself like, I'm
just gonna start for different things. So, um, Bob is
well he's an inspirational uh speaker. Uh, well, you're a

(02:20):
lawyer for a long time you still are. Yeah, A
recovering lawyer is that when you call yourself yes, uh,
an author, um, a husband, a dad, a friend, a
lover of people and and actually doing which we'll get
into a little bit more of what that is all about,

(02:43):
because I mean your books. I thought with the four things,
we would follow you know, love Does, which is a book,
and I've got a good story. Our friend Chases in
the room with Chases on my podcast from time to time,
so listeners know, like shoutout Chase, he's in here. Um,
but he has something so cool that I mean, I
have a post it note I'm going to show you
that he put in a book that he read of

(03:04):
yours in two thousand and twelve, and it is it
directly impacts him sitting right here today, something that you
wrote that inspired him to do and now here he's
right here, and so I can't wait to share that
with you. And then um, we'll get into everybody always. Um,
you're about dreaming big and you want people to tap

(03:26):
into that like they're what they've their potential. Yeah, find
your ambitions and not just make a brain candy, but
just actually just go do something. You don't have to
take all the steps, just like one cannonball we'll do,
grab your knees and go. And then um, something we
practiced a lot on this podcast is gratitude. So we

(03:46):
at the end, we'll wrap with you sharing four things
that you're grateful for in your life, big or small, good,
whatever that may be. Yeah. So, um, before we get
into the four things, I do want to share with
you something that um, Thomas Rhett said about you and
y'all's time together. Um. He was on an episode of

(04:07):
the Bobby Cast, which is um the morning show them
on the Bobby Bones Show. He has a podcast, Bobby Cast,
and Thomas Sart was over his house and they were
talking and he put out there that you know, he
had the opportunity to sit down with you and I
don't know, You'll had lunched in or whatever, and you
shared with him something about negativity in social media came
up and or negativity in general. Um, and that you

(04:31):
cut out the left pocket of your jeans. And that's
where you so explain to people, because I feel like
I've even referenced that ever since I heard him share that.
You said that, I'm like, yeah, we just kind of
need to have a place to put it in. Boom,
it's gotte. That's a crazy part. If you cut out
the left pocket of your jeans, like the sum of

(04:52):
your faith, the sum of your relationships, the sum of
your family experiences, will be everything you're hanging onto whatever
you let go of. And so for the good and
the bad, there's some stuff we're hanging onto that we
just need to move from the right pocket to the left.
Even the jeans that I'm wearing. I literally have no suit,
no jeans that have left pockets. So that's the first
thing you do when you get them. Oh yeah, totally

(05:14):
first thing. Some people say, you know, when they buy
a new car, they hit it with a hammer. That
sounds like a stupid idea, but the whole idea of
like cutting out your left pockets to say, I'm going
to be a person that wants to let the stuff
go because otherwise you end up with more baggage than
Delta airlines. You just gotta move it. And it's only
eighteen inches like sometimes twenty for me, But like, I

(05:36):
just let this stuff go. Some hurts, some relationships it
got wonky, some setbacks that have happened. I had a
house burned to the ground. Um, I have a question
about that coming I took. My sister is also a
fan of yours. So I have questions that were sent
to me from my sister, dropping questions she wants well,

(05:58):
since we're talking about that since you brought it up,
she would like to know, Um, you know how you
have to take a water plane to get to your place? Yea.
So she she works in um design build. Her and
her husband have a design build firm. They do exterior
into your all kinds of things. They live in Colorado,
but they know everything that goes into a project and
building things. And so she's curious, like, how in the

(06:20):
world do you take a water or do you get
stuff to build in such a remote place? And how
is the build going? It takes a couple of minutes, um.
So it's about a hundred miles from the nearest road. Uh.
And we're the first burned down lodge on the right.
But we make everything ourselves. So the first thing we
made was a source of electricity to build things with.

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So we have a glacier on the property and we
built a hydro electric plan that runs the electricity. Then
we got a bunch of logs uh, and then a
hundred and fifty foot crane and started stacking them. Uh.
And there was a lot of I don't know what
drugs you're like, but stacking logs is addictive. I mean,
it was so fun. I could do that for years.

(07:05):
So while it was a drag that the lodge burned down,
some people came in to put some stain on the
logs and they put a bunch of oily rags and
a pile. It's spontaneously combusted. And for those listening, it
won't be a home. Perhaps it burnt down, but it'll
be a relationship, a job, you know, something that mattered

(07:26):
to a lot. And the thing that I'm learning currently
is just just because it burnt down doesn't mean it
needs to stay burned down. And so we just started
stacking logs again. So we just got our final inspection.
So it took me three years, three months and three
days easy to remember. So that was it just get busy,
and so we all have setbacks. And that one was

(07:46):
a little tough to move from the right pocket to
the left, but you can do it small, medium and
large or like Starbucks speak tall, grande and vente. Home
burning down was definitely vente, but it's it can be
moved from the right to the left. Okay, good little
wisdom there. So this is our you'll know what's coming
up in the fourth things. So the first thing we're

(08:08):
gonna get to like I said, is loved us first? Okay,
So now I've got the book here in the flesh,
Chase's book Love Does. And you know it's really about
like you're you know, love obviously his thoughts and feelings,
but like you take it to the next level, like

(08:29):
love is action, Love is love is doing do stuff.
And you know one thing that you shared in the
book is after September eleven, what you decided to do
with your kids, and that was to write letters to
world leaders all over. So talk us through that real
quick and I'll tell you how it landed. Chase here. Yeah,
they crazy idea. I want my kids to like interact

(08:52):
with the world. I don't want to hear them here
from somebody else at school what's going on? And so
we sat down and we said to them, like, if
you had five minutes in front of a world leader,
what would you say to them? And so each of
the kids had a different answer, and Lindsay was our
precocious one. And after Richard had said he wanted to
invite them over for a sleepover, and after Adam said

(09:14):
he just wanted to know what they were hoping for,
Lindsay said, what if we asked them, if they won't
come to our house for a sleepover, could we go
to their house for a sleepover? And it started this
terrific chain reaction. We downloaded the CIA CIA website. We
sent a letter to every leader on the whole earth
and said from lindsay returnatam where lindsay return Adam. We

(09:36):
want to know if you'll come over for a sleepover,
but if you can't make it, can we come over
to your house and ask you what you're hoping for?
And we got so many knows. We got a post
office box because we didn't want Achmadenna jad to know
where we lived, so we got all these notes. But
then terrifically, we got a yes from the President of
Israel if he said, if you'll come to Jerusalem, I'll

(10:00):
give your interview. We got a yes from the Prime
Minister of Switzerland. We got a yes from like these, uh,
you know, Soviet Bloc countries. So we got I think
it was nine yeses uh. And so we pulled the
kids out of school and went I had a lot
of frequent flyer miles. We just burned him. It was
so beautiful, that's so crazy, like how he was I'm

(10:22):
thinking right now, I's like you were my dad. How
I mean that is so crazy awesome? Yeah, people like really,
they just want to hear from you. I knew I
was going to be in London on May for a
thing Hillsong was doing, so I wrote to the Queen.
Her address isn't hard to find. It's just like Queen
Buckingham Palace. She'll know, don't know who you're talking about.
So I said, I'm going to be in London on

(10:44):
the fourteen. If you're in London on the fourteenth, maybe
we should hang out, right Pinky's up. One of her
ladies in waiting wrote back, I'm like, lady, what are
you waiting for? And she said, the Queen is terribly
disappointed she can't meet with you. I'm sure just tore
all up, but for a dollar stamp and an envelope,
I'm talking to bucking and Palace, right, and take your

(11:04):
kids on that kind of adventure. Instead of having him
observed from Afar like the ten Lepers dead, have them
actually get some skin in the game and go put
a map up, put a dot for every place that
you've written to. The crazy part is people will say yes, yeah, okay,
So well and then but but people also might say no.

(11:25):
But there's also lessons in you getting all those nose
in the mail too, because I'm sure your kids, but
how cool is it they still got a letter back.
Oh yeah, I wrote to the pope and said can
we meet? One of his bishops wrote back and said,
absolutely not. I didn't think I shut the door. I
thought I've got the right address right all right? Again,
So Chase you share with after you read the story

(11:48):
after nine eleven of what you know Bob did with
his kids and his family, and how it just was
like to you, what did you take from that in
that moment? What is this post it note here that
literally says email bbs Amy, which is Bobby Bones show
Amy about idea. All she can do is not respond
or say no. This is the literal post it. So yeah,

(12:13):
and here you are, and I think, you know, I was,
We knew you were coming in, and so I went
through that knowing that I've read the book several times
and I look at that and I was like, oh
my gosh, this is so small world. So really, what
I got from the interviews was all you can do
is reach out and they could not respond or they
could say no, like there's nothing bad that can come

(12:35):
from it. And I had this idea of email and
Amy about doing an event that would benefit Haiti. And
I was like, I just need an email her and
we'll see what. By the way, it was breaking the
Guinness World Record for hunger relief meals packed in a
certain amount of time for Haiti, and we needed to
break that world record. And so I got the email,

(12:56):
and you know, we get a lot of emails. Sometimes
I missed them. Also, even hearing this, it's making me
want to make sure I try to reply more even
if the answers no. But but sometimes we just missed stuff.
And but with Chase, like something stood out and I
was like, what who is this guy? And well, I
mean I do love Haiti. So I replied to my

(13:17):
kids sort of orphanage there. I was like, they could
use some meals. What if we sent them there? So
I replied the correspondence, haven't he ended up coming to Nashville.
We had like two thousand volunteers. We packed it. The
Guinness World Record people were here. We broke the world record.
Um the orphanage lived off of the rice and beans
that we packed from New Maana a hunger relief organization
for they might still be eating it, and you know,

(13:40):
it just was. But that that started our friendship, which
then was you know, that was two thousand thirteen, and
then a few months ago he moved to Nashville to
kind of join us more full time here. And but Bob,
this is from your book. I think us that we're

(14:00):
just looking for a way. It's like stone soup. Remember
the Kid's book that everybody just throws in what they've got.
You got cabbage, you got carrots, you got whatever. You
don't compare what you've got to what somebody else has.
But the end of the story, everybody's fed. And so
I think that's it. You just bring what you've got
and then God turns that into something bigger and that's

(14:21):
the beautiful thing. We don't need to control the chain reaction.
We just like let it go, but our place just
show up. But my worldview is that God doesn't need
our help. I ask him every day. I'd like, do
you need my health? He's like, actually, Lane, know what
I need is your heart. And so if we could
just get back to this idea of just bringing authentically

(14:41):
who we are, and we bring that and if you
want to turn two loaves into a couple of fish
into less, that's fine. But if you want to turn
it into more, that's fine too. Yeah. You know. Something
else that you go over in the book is the
Bible study that you started with some friends. And it
was like a lot of people gather to study and
and you know, try to break down everything that's happening

(15:02):
and really like understand. But your purpose is, let's put
this into action. How are we going to actually, let's
gather together with a group of people in a Bible
study and let's do yeah, like a Bible doing. Yeah.
So I don't care how many boats are floating in
the sea galley. And if I hear somebody tell me
that there's four words in Greek for love, I got

(15:25):
I'm gonna hurl. I just tell me how you fell
in love. Tell me somebody that's done one selfless act
of love for you, and every selfless act of love
is a declaration of faith. I'll think about that for
a month. I'll remember how you and Chase met, how
you just answered an email. You know what I did
in college. I remember Keith Green way back in the day.

(15:48):
He was one of the first CCM Christian Artists, and
I wrote him a letter. He wrote back three sentences
to me. I felt like such a boss. This was
before the internet. I'm like, Keith Creen just wrote me
three sentences. I don't even know what the three sentences say.
I get three hundred emails every day. Everybody gets three sentences.

(16:09):
You know why because thirty five years ago Keith Green
wrote me three sentences the impact of just one act
of kindness. I love doing that. When I get to
fly across country, that's good for two or three emails,
bare minimum. And I just like, and I will send
the same email, like I just find three sentences to
affirm what they're doing, to say you matter, because that's

(16:31):
what his three sentence is meant to me. You're worth
talking to. And uh, I think that that's the Sometimes
it's the simplest thing. You don't need to rebuild the
Ashwan damn. Just respond to somebody's email, don't send them
to voicemail. Just say hello. You don't need a script.
And the crazy part about putting my cell phone number
in the back of two million books is people I

(16:54):
get a hundred calls a day. I can't get a
thing done. It's awesome. Do you know when you back
a car up and hit somebody else's by mistake, you're
supposed to leave your phone number. Somebody backed up into
somebody's car. They were broke, and they didn't want to
leave their phone numbers. They left mind by the guy
a bumper. I don't even live in this same part

(17:15):
of the country, but it was just so. It has
been expensive. It's costly to be available. But there's something beautiful.
It'll cost you your pride. It will cost you like
these constant interruptions. Jesus was always interrupted little guys in
sycamore trees, people pulling on his shirt, and he always
had time. And so that didn't make us Jesus. It

(17:36):
just makes us like him if we every time we
just get available. How do you so with all of
that going on? I mean, and you are a husband,
and you are really sought after, and you are busy
doing all kinds of things, And I feel like a
lot of my listeners are multitasking and really busy, but
you act like it's just like, I mean, everything you say,
you have the biggest smile on your face. I can't
help us smile back at you and did you know

(17:59):
it only takes seventeen muscles a smile and frown. I
didn't know the exact numbers, but I had heard it.
I think I've used that line of my daughter. I
can buy like past bar exams. I just remember the most,
remember the details. Um, but yes, I know it takes
more to frown. But like, how do you? How do you?

(18:20):
How do you? How do you do it all? Like
how do you? Where do you find? I mean is
an inner? Because you have to have days where you're
just like, okay, I'm a little bit tired of this.
So part of it starts with having some time of
personal reflection to just actually be aware of where you're
at and who you are. You know, if you go
into a big shopping center will be an X and
I'll say this is where you are. It's actually helpful.

(18:43):
And so some people do this by having quiet times
in the morning. Others do that by meditation. You just
figure out just kind of who I am. I wear
a mood ring and been wearing it for a decade
and uh D so sweet accurate and telling you your mood, Well,
it's accurate because I whatever color it is, then I'll
tell sweet Maria what that means. We don't let a

(19:04):
book tell us what it means. So we have one thing.
Because I've spent a lot of time in Afghanistan and
Iraq and Somali and although so we don't talk about
where I am because it's not helpful and it makes
us feel far away. But when we talk about how
I feel where I am, that access makes us feel
really close together. And I fixed that for four bucks. Right,
Just get a mood ring again for those of the listening,

(19:26):
if you're just dating people, I get the person you're
dating a mood ring. And if they say they're not
into talking about their feelings, see that's awesome. I'm not
into you. If just find a way to access how
you feel. And that's a great way to just be
real with people, to say I've had some down days
and I'm just I'm just I'm in touch with that.

(19:47):
But I don't camp out there. But I'm not trying
to be an impostor either otherways be like a caricature
of who I am. I write a book and put
some balloons on it like that, I'm not always the
balloon boy, like I've actually had some bad days and uh,
and so when I do just getting real with that,
I would say, just three minutes of authenticity with a

(20:07):
couple of new friends or old friends, have them take
you to Starbucks, make them pay, and say, here's the
deal for three minutes. We're just gonna keep it super real.
Here's what's going on in my relationships, here's what's going
on in my career, that's what's going on in my life.
And the only rule is this. Don't you dare try
to fix me. Just receive this. Then tell me three
minutes of authenticity, and we're not going to raise it.

(20:28):
If I want to talk about it again, I'll bring
it up. But this isn't This doesn't define us. It's
just carving a new little groove in our mind. And
if we could do that in our relationships with people,
don't have to be everybody, but it's got to be somebody. Um,
then we don't become a caricature of who everybody because
they have an impression of you. Yes, I know, I've

(20:49):
had an impression of you from Afar and now I
got to meet you. I just met Chase and so
I have this impression of who he is. But it's
a realistic impression with all the stresses of marriage and
raising kids and paying taxes and pulling off work, and
so if we just could touch bases and just you
set the tone of your relationship said, oh, this is
going to be actually an authentic one, not like the surface. Okay,

(21:13):
I'm like taking like I'm gonna have to re listen
to this and take notes because like I need to
write down things mood ring four husband like every day,
not every once in a while. I need to get
it all out, get it all out. Okay, Well, I
think that paints a good picture for for for Love

(21:36):
Does a little bit. I know we got into that room,
move on to everybody always. But if that's a book
that people haven't checked out, well shoot phone number? Which
one is? I didn't know your phone number was on
the back. I wrote this book Love Does because the
publisher traded me as they said, will you write a book?
I said, will you build a school? And they said,

(21:57):
like how many kids in the school? I said child
soldiers and a hundred teachers? They said big school. I
said big book. And I made him pay me in
advance because I didn't know if it's stink but yeah,
it's actually But then we sold a couple more. Oh
so yeah, because well you know, like I was just
speaking of having advance, but or just maybe like getting

(22:19):
paid after to see how well it does. Like Tom Hanks,
he didn't take money up front for Forrest Gump or
Saving Private Ryan. He wanted to get paid like after
the fact, like we'll just see how good it does.
Of course, Forest cup is like like an amazing, like
high grossing movie. He believed in himself if I made cupcakes,
people would die if I'd like it, just a typo,

(22:40):
everybody's fine. Yeah, there it is. So every time I
want to build another school and write another book, that's perfect. Yeah,
it's pretty easy. Yeah, and I can barely spell cat.
Let me take lots of notes. Literally, if you ever
want to talk about any ideas in this book, that
pem you my phone number there. You go give me
a call some time if I can be helpful. There

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was Austin, Texas, and I got a phone call from
two girls that had read a tweet or something new.
I was in Austin. Their car broke down to the
highway and they called up. They didn't have towing insurance,
but they had the book, so they called up. We
went over and found him and fixed it. Oh my god.
Fortunately it's just battery cables, not a new transmission. Um.

(23:23):
But it was just like, there's something beautiful about availability,
and I just decided a long time ago i'd be
uber available. Actually even before there was Uber, I just
said I'm just gonna be available to people. See what happens.
I love it. Second thing. Okay, so now I'm gonna

(23:47):
go back to something that another story that my sister
shared with me kind of ties along with everybody always,
and I think it's kind of just how you choose
to treat people, people that you don't know. Um. Maybe
even sometimes when you don't have like the best feelings
about people, you kind of just you know, pursue it anyway. Right, Yeah,

(24:08):
I'm working on that, and it comes from you don't
need Bible verse or everything, but if you know why
you're doing what you're doing, it can be really helpful.
So this idea of loving your enemy or just think
of I don't have enemies, but I have people that
are really difficult in my life. What I'm realizing is
that I'm the one that's really difficult in other people's lives,
and it's made me a little bit more compassionate, because
it's easy to love people until you find somebody really

(24:31):
creeps you out. And there's some people that are actually
dangerous and you need to keep a wide berth from
but not as many as you think. Yeah, well so
my sister and her friend Kristen, they're not dangerous or creepy,
I don't think. But they saw you in Austin. That's
where I'm born and raised from as Austin, so they
were there. I don't know if it was for if
gathering or something. I feel like maybe I was even

(24:53):
in town. But she reminded me of the story of
they were hanging out at the w and you were
in the lobby and Kristin had recently seen you at
some Donald Miller conference and she was just like obsessed
with you. So probably came off a little bit like
fan girl, you know, which could be creepy at times
or awesome depending on you know, the demeanor. But Christen
is really sweet. But you never know how people are

(25:14):
going to react because some people that are in the
public eye not you, of course, but you know, they
might be like I'm in a hurry, I can't don't
touch me, like I don't have time to take a picture,
like I'm not into this. So anyway, Kristen was there,
she wanted to meet you. She came up and said, Hi,
my sister had the camera ready. You're like, well, let's
take a picture. And then she talked about her daughter, Freddie,

(25:35):
like just loving you, and you literally looked at her
and you said, well, let's call Freddie. So you shall
got on the phone and you called her daughter, Freddie,
and they were and it's something that's stuck with them.
Where they were like you know, you know they were
could have been like the creepy fan experience in the
hotel lobby where you're just trying to get up to
your room and like do your thing, and you're probably

(25:55):
tired and busy depending on your travel day. But like you,
you took the time not only to be awesome with them,
but you took it a step further and called her daughter.
And you know, have you always just been that way
or is that something where sometimes you do have to
find yourself being intentional, like you know, I need to

(26:15):
this is the way I'm going to do it. I'm
gonna be intentional about that. Yeah, I'm just practicing for heaven,
because if you don't like people, you're gonna hate Heaven.
Talk about everybody always, um, So one of the things
to just practice, and each of us is wonderfully different.
Sweet Maria Goff, she has what's called extreme social anxiety.

(26:37):
So I'm you know, I walk into a room and
I'm like people. She thinks having me in the rooms
a lot of people she's like, I'm tigger and she's
like wise owl. So one of the things that we're
trying not to be the same, we're trying to actually
turn into love. And so we just expressed that different ways,
and so availability for me is a really way easy

(26:58):
way to do that. Plus we just so little time
to be together really here on Earth. I just want
to engage people, and not the low hanging fruit would
be people that are easy and nice and pleasant, But
what about people that are actually a little bit more difficult?
Can you do that. I'm a lawyer. I win arguments
for a living. I get this. I've never lost a case.

(27:18):
Is that crazy? It's not because I'm an awesome lawyer.
I'm an awesome picker. I just never pick cases that
anybody could lose. So what I would say is develop
your inner picker. You just need to not swing at
every pitch, you know, when somebody's upset about something, you
just doesn't need to be whatever the news of the
day is, and you don't have to just get that

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on you. And so it's a great uh. Some people,
even in their faith expression, want to, like, you know,
make a defense for the hope that's within them, but
they forget the last part of the sense, which says,
but to do with the kindness and respect? And so
I would just like rather focus on the kindness and
respect part. And what you need to do is just
bridle your tongue and mean you're thinking things. But did

(28:01):
just say, like, you know what, I wear a Red
Sox hat because my neighbor was a huge Red Sox
fan and we knew she was going to be in
heaven by the end of the week, and so I
made a deal with her, said I'll wear your Red
Sox have for the rest of my life and represent
the Red Sox here on earth. But in exchange, every
time Jesus walks by you, you need to mention my name.

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So I'm keeping up my end of the deal. But
when I walked through, when I walked through even New York.
When I go through Kennedy, people hiss at me because
they're evidently rooting for the Yankees. If they knew I
was wearing my dead neighbor's hat, they feel so bad.
But it's a great reminder to me to like number one,

(28:44):
the beginning of the day, figure out who's under your hat,
Like get self aware, get a mood ring by a puppy,
whatever it is that gets you aware of who you are.
And then don't assume you know who's under everybody else's hat.
Just treat them with kindness and respect, knowing there's probablay
a lot more going on than you think. And like
for me, sometimes it's um the grace of trying not

(29:08):
knowing everybody's story or why they might be a certain
way that day. I mean, it just may not be
their moment, but I happen across the paths at that time,
and like I need to make sure an extend grace
because I know that I haven't shown my best side
all the time and people have to deal with that.
But I want that grace of like, no, that's not
really me, this is what I'm going this is what
I have going on, And if anybody had any idea, um,

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And so that's what I mean, even if it's like
on a more like a more common relationship of somebody
in my life or just someone like at the grocery
store checking out and they had just they're just rude
and cranky and attitude e. And you know, sometimes we
can just ignore that or we could like take a
moment to how would you I want to know how
how Bob Gough. Let's say you're checking out at the
grocery store and the checker outer is just not having

(29:56):
it rude, cranky, awful, Like, how take me through what
Bob Goff does in that situation. I don't know, maybe
I would offer him a tick tack or something, but
like the whole idea, no, Like I just feel like,
wouldn't you just be kind? I feel like you would
have some sort of cute little thing that just totally
brightens and makes their day And I need to take that,

(30:17):
like they get a badge or a pin or yeah,
somebody what their name is, like you got a puffy
like just to take a genuine interest. And again, you
don't need a Bible first of everything. But there's a
guy Paul talking about his buddy Timothy, and he said,
here's the thing about him. He takes a genuine interest
in people. And I would just like do that. And
you can tell when love has an agenda, because when

(30:39):
love has an agenda, it ain't love anymore. It's a program.
And we got all the programs we need. We just
need people that just take a genuine interest and people.
And sometimes I do a better job than others, but
I'm just trying to say, can I just like there's
nothing on the other side of the equal side in it.
I'm not trying to win an argument. I'm not trying
to influence somebody towards her away from some thing. Just

(31:00):
trying to be present. You guys, I love in the South.
You say be where your feet are. I love that saying.
So if we could just be really present in the
moment and just realizing empathetic, That's what I'm working on
in my life. And again I'm not there, but I'm
really intentional about it. I mean as intentional as this
hat I wear, this ring I wear, I wear a

(31:20):
Mickey Mouse watch. Right ever, feel like you're walking into
a room and you're the only one smiling, like buddy
me and you tell us behind, just try it. Like
I tried big cases. I actually try death penalty cases
against witch doctors that sacrifice children. Now that's pretty heavy
for a pretty up, you know, a be guy, and

(31:41):
it makes a pretty wonky business card. But but I
just think they, like, I just value kids so much.
I just want to see that happen. I know why
I'm doing what I'm doing. And even though there's a
lot of darkness that we push up against, Afghanistan's a
really dark place. They won't teach little girls how to
read and write, and so we started a girls school. Yeah,

(32:02):
that's a pretty unlikely place do. But I would just go, like,
why not start? And when I got off the plane
in Cobble, Afghanistan, I knew a total of nobody and
that was rounding up. But just get there and start
and do the next thing. Here's the deal. You don't
have to go across an ocean, go across the street.
You don't have it sounds noble to go far away.

(32:23):
Go to the person next door. I have three minutes
of authenticity with them. Say if you had a mood
ring on, what color would it be and what would
that mean? And there's something that's a genuine interest, And
there's no I'm not trying to I'm not trying to
convert anybody except me into a more humble version of me. Right, Yeah,
I love that and too. Yes, like loving your neighbor

(32:44):
could literally mean your next door neighbor. It doesn't have
to mean you have to go to another continent to
do it. That's because if it ain't working on Elm
Street and ain't goind of work in another country, that
sells sounds noble and heroic. But and you can do
those things too. It's not binary. You don't have to.
You literally do love your neighbors, like you have a
parade in your neighborhood right on your street. We do.

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We've been at it for twenty five years. But one
of the things I've learned is from a guy that
you know, he's got a Gulf Stream. You know what
he does on Monday mornings. He takes out my garbage.
He's got this restaurant chain all over the place. He
doesn't just take my garbage out, he takes everybody's garbage
out because he just wants to love his neighbors. That

(33:28):
was so hard amy for me at the first time.
I heard the wheels turn him like, oh heavens no.
First of all, that's my garbage. And and the second
thing is like, oh no, I kind of bake you
a bunt cake or whatever that is. But like, I
want to do somethime very it's an easier task for
me to do something for somebody than to receive something.

(33:50):
And so sometimes that's the groove that needs to be
carved in our brain to actually receive these things. And
so many the people that, no doubt are listening to
your show are people that are great at giving things,
and that actually is safe. What I want to do
is go a little higher up on the tree and
to say, how can I actually receive these things? So

(34:10):
I'm a I'm not the teacher of these things. I'm
the student, and I'm taking notes of the things I'm
seeing from people that love people way better than me
and go like, wow, I want to actually get some
of that on me. Man. So if we just need
to get to know my neighbors, like my literal neighbors
on my street. I got an email from one of
them once saying, and I don't know if she meant

(34:33):
I don't know what was going on in her heart
her mind at the time, but she sent it to
my work email. I didn't even know she lived on
my street. But oh, this has just made me feel
bad because I mean, I didn't even know I wasn't
waving to anybody at all, but she said that when
I walk my dog and my husband and with my girlfriends,
that she said that she realized who I was, that

(34:54):
I was on the radio every morning, and that her
and some of the other moms in the neighborhood just
want me to know that there um not being rude
when they wave higher and that I can return the
wave they did. They don't care that I'm on the radio,
so I can acknowledge them. Like basically that I was
thinking I was too good or something, and honestly, I
just didn't know what she was talking about. And then

(35:16):
through Google and Facebook, I kind of found out where
she lived. I feel like, this is I need Bob
Golf's advice on this. I found out where she lived
because I honestly did not know that there was somebody
that had waved or felt like they were ignored, or
if we even walked that way, or she said. She
even said in the email, you don't have to turn
and walk the other way. And I felt like that
maybe was a lie she had built in her head,

(35:38):
because sometimes my husband I will start out on a
walk and they'll be like, oh, shoot, let's walk to
the turnip truck, which is the grocery store. Did you
get your wallet? No, okay, I'll turn back and get
it when we'll make a left or right. It has
nothing to do with like people that are up ahead
that we want to avoid. I didn't even know we
were avoiding anybody, but in her mind she had. And
so I've struggled with this even when I drive by

(35:58):
her house and sometimes I've just been saying quick little
things like I wonder if like there's going to be
a day rom and actually see her how And I
probably didn't handle it the best because I brought it
the letter into the Bobby Bones show and then Bobby
read it. But I was just so perplexed by it.
Just was like not a nice email, and I felt
so misunderstood and just you know, I didn't know if
that could be relatable to some people. And then now

(36:20):
that the time has passed, you know, I still live
on her street. At the time, I was like, well,
that's it. I just need to move, like I've been misunderstood.
I need to move, But now I'm not moving, And
and I actually would like the opportunity to for her
to really know that that was that none of that
that she wrote was true, and then maybe we could

(36:41):
be neighbors and friends and like our kids could play.
I think you're right about the moving. I just think
you need to move a little closer. It's four houses down,
but these creep out. But there's something really beautiful about this.
If we can come to peace with the idea that
we're loving people means being instantly misunderstood. I mean, that's

(37:02):
just Tuesday for me, and but I'm not aiming for that.
I want clarity. I want clarity first with myself. Why
am I doing what I'm doing? Right? They have the ring,
the watch, the pocket, so you can be actually super
engaged in all the activities today. But if you're crystal
clear about why you're doing what you're doing, that's what

(37:22):
really centers me. And then the words that we use.
I was speaking somewhere, it was two weeks ago, and
there was a woman that came up to me afterwards.
She said, are you a friend of Bill W's and
I was racking my brain. I know a lot of
guys named Bill. And it was a week later before
I realized who she was talking about. It was the
founder of Alcoholics Anonymous. Uh. She wanted to know because

(37:45):
I had said something it triggered for her, something that
would have been part of a twelve step program and
these courageous people in a A. She wanted to know
if I was in recovery. And so instead of putting
me on the spot and saying, hey, are you when recovery?
She said are you a friend of Bill Doubles? Because
she knew if I was in a I know who

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Bill w was. I called that girl up, I found
out who she was. I said, that was the kindest
thing that's happened to me in a year. It was
somebody that just said, what's the kindest way you can
ask a question that would be really important without having
you feel on the spot. I was like, I think
it's just going. The stupid shelf is right here, it's
just full of stuff to stay. But I want or

(38:28):
about that. So she's probably got all kinds of things
going on underneath her head. I think I'm back in
Nashville on Monday, I think we bring some helium fluids
over to my neighbors something Bob, I don't know, I mean,
and now I'm thinking like, well, should I go wheel
her trash out? And then she'll notice me that way?
And then I don't know, But it's just been I
think at first I probably didn't handle it in the

(38:49):
most mature way because I think I just was so
perplexed and then annoyed because I felt like I needed
to move, and then then I just was frustrated, and
then I mean, I went through a lot of different feelings,
and and now I kind of have regret, Like I mean,
it's part of my story, and I haven't disclosed who
she is, Like I'm not putting out anything about her.
It's just it's a part of something that happened to

(39:09):
me where I felt really misunderstood and I didn't know
what to do. And now I want to what is
I want to do? The neighborly thing I thought about,
Like do I take her cookies? Do I go knock
on the door, do I just say hey? Do you
want to say and have a glass of wine? And
I don't know. She said she likes to sit on
her front porch and have wines. Maybe we could do that.
I think you just like I think the least creepiest
thing to do? Um, And so that for me, I'm

(39:32):
a pretty enthusiastic guy. So I need to ratchet at
the least creepy thing is to show. But here thing
to do. That's what That's the lowest I could go. Um.
But to say, underlying all of this is how do
we deal with rejection? Because rejection from me, I'd say, like,
why is that such a button for me? Anytime I
feel rejected? Um, it just like it takes me out.

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And so I think where did that come from? And
I've done a little bit of a personal work to
figure out where that came from? His little seven year
old bobby golf covered in freckles. And there was a
particularly mean person on the block. And they used to
call me spot and and so they wouldn't play with
me because I had spots all over me. And then
there was a person that took a genuine interest in

(40:17):
my welfare. You know what, They had a sharpie. All
I carry around is sharpie's. You know what they did?
They say, you stick your arms out, and they started
connecting these dots together, said you can make girafts out
of these things all of a sudden, like these freckles
are awesome, like it was one person that recast it
in a word with one sharpie. And so if we

(40:39):
make things meaningful, not like pretending they're meaningful when they
really aren't, but just being such a student of how
do we deal with our own wounded nous? Get real
with that, so you don't pass on all that wounded
nous to somebody who just turned left to get to
the turnip truck, right that instead of like like depositing
all of that, trying to say without cussing all of

(41:01):
that in your yard, to just say, how could you
just do that in a little kinder way. And so
some of that is just being self aware. And I
just think we're all like amateurs at that. I've never
seen anybody go pro at loving people. You know, they
wear a leather suit and they're sponsored by Hersey's Kisses
and Hallmark. So we're all just trying to figure it
out together. Okay, Well you've encouraged me to to do that,

(41:26):
Like you know how we talked about Chase. You encourage
Chase to reach out to me, Like now, after this
talk I just fill it right in my heart. I'm
going to love my neighbor and I'm gonna figure that out. Yeah,
and it's baby steps and be really kind. There's a
great first sackaraved for that says like, heaven't delights watching
the work begin. Have you ever seen a kid take

(41:47):
its first step? Did you think like, I've seen better? Not?
It's so new. Shuffle your feed forward and you do
this thing, even though it'll be awkward and halting and
all that, just know that Heaven is leaning over the
rails saying you go, girl. Okay, well this might be
a good transition to the next thing we're going to
get into, which is dreaming big taking that first step

(42:09):
maybe into your dreams. So we'll do that next. Okay.
So you know, some people have childhood dreams. Some people
have dreams right now as adults, like they have things
that they're they're they're chasing. Um maybe, but they're not.
They don't know quite how to get there, or to
even get to that point to where like they feel

(42:31):
allowed to to dream and chase it. They feel stuck maybe. Um.
So what's your advice for people? I know you have
these amazing workshops and different things like you're you're a dreamer,
and I think you help people do that. So for
anybody listening that might um have a dream or a
thing um that they feel like they were created or

(42:54):
called to do, but they're not doing it, how do
we looks like a mini This is a little mini workshop.
I would say to find some of these ambitions, unearth them,
spread them out on the table. It's kind of like
when you do a jigsaw puzzle with the family. You
put the pieces and all have the straight edges on
the left and all the pieces that have the same
colors on the right, and I would deal with the

(43:15):
pieces in the middle. If you think of the ones
on the left is all the distractions in your life.
You think of all the things on the right is
all the stress in your life. Just deal with the
pieces in the middle, because what keeps us away from
getting to our dreams is all the distractions in the stress, right,
just trying to figure out how everybody else is doing,
and who's thinking, what about me and all that. I
just want to deal with the pieces in the middle

(43:37):
and think of those as your beautiful ambitions. And then
you could say, well, what's something I'm actually good at, Like,
what's the capability that I have, and can we have
one of those ambitions and parallels something that I'm actually
good at, Like I'm a pretty good lawyer, but I'm
not letting my capabilities push me around because I stop
being a lawyer. I walked into my own law firm,

(43:59):
a couple floors of a bank building. My name was
on the door. I got everybody together in the conference
room and I quit. I took the key off my ring.
I said I'm out. I gave it to a guy said,
you don't know me anything. I left four years ago.
I've never gone back. Now. That's a stupid economic move,
but it's an awesome new creation move. I want to
just keep up with who I am and all that.

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So what's an ambition? I wanted to start doing some
other things? What was the impediment? I had a day job?
What's the fix? Quit my day job? Some people are
right now are like, okay, cool, I'm going into work
today and I'm quitting my job, every single job I've
ever taken. On the first day, I get my new
boss's name, I write my resignation letter. It's pretty short.

(44:45):
It just says I quit put it in an envelope,
put a stamp on it, address it to him, give
it to Sweet Maria, and I tell her, if this
job ever gets in between me and you, or he
gets in between me and God, you mail that thing in.
You don't even need to tell me. I'll find out.
My God, isn't that crazy? So do that. You're not
going to be sleeping in the back of a buick

(45:05):
if you quit your job. That's a lot of dress
in Sweet Maria. I mean, I know that she will
do right by you. But I'm like picture and if
I did that with my husband one day we get
into crazy, He's like, I'm gonna go ahead and mail
this in. There's something beautiful by giving each other the
proxy in your life. Just maybe not to everybody, but

(45:26):
certainly to somebody. And uh. And so you find an ambition,
you move all the other distractions to the side to
deal with the puzzle pieces in the middle. You have
an ambition, and then you look for an opportunity. Right
do you just say, like, so, when is one of
my ambitions and one of my capability is going to
meet an opportunity? Nothing magic about that. You just got

(45:46):
your eyes open. You're just constantly on the movie. Oh.
I wasn't looking for a camp to purchase, but a
couple of months ago a camp came up for sale.
There's this outfit that I don't want to get them
out because they haven't told everybody they're selling this camp,
but it came up for sale, so I bought it

(46:08):
a little we we closed escrow today. I wasn't looking
for one, but a bunch of my friends have been
dealing with some really irreversible decisions. They've made some in
a moment of desperation, have done some very drastic things.
I just want a place where people can get better,
and so I just said, I'm just gonna get this
Thing's a hundred and fifty acres with sixty thou square

(46:30):
feet of buildings, and I don't know how to make
a hot dog norm o the lawn, but this we're
just going to figure it out on the way. And
so some people forget like getting a camp. What if
your ambition is to write a book, and said, well,
I can't write a whole book, how about write a sentence,
how about a word? How about then just double it
tomorrow to words, and so find your ambition and then

(46:53):
just start moving towards that a little bit at a time,
and then see what your god given wiring harnesses. If
you have, like if you're more cautious and careful, that's awesome.
We need cautious, careful people. So bring all your game
within the context of how you were created. And then
there's other people that are tager and so like, just
do that. Yeah, some people. I feel like sometimes in

(47:14):
our family, we had like our dad was a big
dreamer and always win after a lot of things, but
they sometimes didn't really work out and they affected our
family drastically, Like there was financial decisions, our parents got divorced,
Like there was a lot, and I've seen it play out,
and me and my sister and how we um with

(47:35):
our spouses and different things that they want to do
and pursue, like we're very like, like we're very like,
I don't want to dream with you because um, yeah, no,
we've been hurt by that, so um. And then so
then we're with our husbands who want to dream of
these different things. I don't want a lot of I
don't want to get the cart before the horse on

(47:56):
things because like I've I've been hurt by that. So
that's just like so self aware to say, like, you
don't need to work for NASA to figure out the
trajectory of some of these decisions in your life or
the lives of the people. So what I stopped doing
is when people say how's how's it working for you, Like,
everything's working great for me because I'm like just a

(48:18):
happy guy. But a better question asked was how is
your life working for the people around you? Because if
your husband is making these decisions that really frighten you,
you could say, I'm glad that that's working for you,
but it's actually not working for me, and here's why.
And if you could just have a moment of authenticity
to say, I grew up in a family where that

(48:40):
equaled fear because it equaled instability, because it meant abandonment eventually,
and I felt like I grew up and then my
dad left. Have an underlying fear that if somebody makes
bad decisions, eventually the people I love the most will leave.
And so that would take some heavy lifting, a little
bit of reflection to figure out what's underneath the thing.

(49:03):
But what great conversations you have with a couple of
trusted friends and then you have a context for that,
and you can say, honey, I'm not trying to shut
down your dream. It frightens because I don't. That's where
I need to lift my right to say, you know,
let me tell you where this comes from. Let me
see where the return addresses. I don't know. If you

(49:24):
get a lot of junk mail at your house, we
get it by the foot. What I do is see
the return address, and if it isn't from somebody I know,
I don't read it. Um And I think sometimes what
we do in our lives, we open up all the
junk mail, right, and it ain't come from from Jesus.
I mean, if it's shame and all of that other stuff,
I don't know where it's coming from. But that ain't

(49:44):
Heaven's voice you're listening to. And so a little bit
of reflection. You don't need to be caught in eddy
of of self reflection all the time. You got to
do something. But understand, that's a button and here's why,
and here's where I'm trying to grow. But if you
could express to somebody you love your husband is which
just like love to know, you'd say it frightens me.

(50:05):
And here's why. But I have so much confidence in you.
I still I'm not there yet, but if you could
be patient with me, Um, then I'm going to continue
to be patient with you because you have these great ideas.
You know, I have a bunch of ideas. I'm just
like a little insecure Bobby Golf. I'm a really fun
guy because I learned by eight and a half years old,

(50:27):
if I was funny, then I didn't have to feel
like I was spot anymore. I wouldn't have to feel
insecure that my arms are too long. I got spots
all over me, um, And so when I'm operating in
a not healthy way, I get so funny because I'm
getting really insecure, I just get so funny. It's almost incoherent.

(50:47):
Actually it is incoherent, but I'm realizing that. I go like,
this is little Bobby Golf, and you need to settle down.
You're safe. You don't need to be funny. You need
to just be you. And if we could do that,
if we just find out the return address of some
of that, it actually go really long way. And that's
how we answer your question. That's how we get to
our ambitions. We find out why are we doing what

(51:10):
we're doing? Because if you're doing it for the applause,
join the circus. But if you're doing it because you
want to actually engage the people around you, then hey,
that's terrific. Like, dude, in a way that's working for
the people around you that love you the most. Love
that again, I'm going to re listen to this and
take notes. I'm sure a lot of other people are too.
And so the next thing we'll close with this four

(51:32):
things you're right before you got them? Okay, we got
about three seconds. My wife could be shoes they're made
out of trash, and I'm like, I'm actually I don't
know anything about them. She said, they're recycled everything. Yeah,
so I'm like, yeah, I'm grateful for shoes made out
of trash. Okay, go ahead. I haven't given any thought,

(51:54):
but go ahead. Okay, So what are four things that you,
Bob Goff, are thankful for in your life? So this
makes it too easy because I have a wife and
three kids. That's okay, I'm going to say this family

(52:17):
that is on this adventure towards just understanding who they are.
I'm grateful for a community of friends that include a
couple of people I can be super real with I
can just say I don't care what it looks like.
Let me tell you the way it is. Um. I'm
grateful for an opportunity to engage people that actually kind
of creep me out a little bit, and a couple
come to mind for me. Perhaps they're coming to mind

(52:39):
for you, but the chance to actually do something about that.
And I'm grateful for my faith. I'm not trying to
talk anybody into theirs. I just like that is a
driving principle and it's why I do what I do. Yeah,
well man, that was for for not putting any thought
into that. Like, you just nailed those pretty quickly. Actually,
if you're like, you know, if you do, you already

(52:59):
pract gratitude on a daily basis, totally like just that
idea and it isn't you know, but it's super intentional.
I've never given Sweet Maria a daisy that had more
than three pedals on it. She's the first time, She's
like what that. She's like, oh, he loves me, he
loves me, not he loves me. It's not a defective daisy.
It's actually super I think I'm an acquired taste, but

(53:23):
the whole idea to be super intentional about why you
do what you do. I wouldn't say overthink it. I
would say just go and you'll mess up a little bit.
I turned sixty and i got a kt M five
dirt pike. I'm trying to learn how to jump in. Awesome.
So far, I've got thirty feet. Here's the problem. The
pike only went twenty right over the handlebars. But are

(53:45):
you okay? Yes, totally. Yeah, I've still got freckles everywhere.
But one of the things that I'm learning about this
is just this reminder that you're going to go over
the handlebars. It will be in a relationship, it'll be
in your employment, it will be with something you tried
in it face old, but I don't know. Get back
on the bike, get on the horse, you pick your analogy.
But to just get back to the important work of

(54:07):
your life. Yeah, another thing to be thinking more failure,
ye think, Yeah, we're gonna do quick. Okay, hold on
for you have one more question? But how the daisy
thing really got me thinking about y'all's relationship, Like, what's
one more? Like? That's so cute? I'm like, should I
go home and give my husband like a daisy with
three and like, I'm just gonna steal all these things

(54:28):
a girl, But then what do you do? Last week,
my husband and I on the podcast had an episode
about um dating your spouse, and so how do y'all
keep your relate Like as busy as y'all are and
everything you have going on, what's y'all's little thing when
it comes to still dating each other making sure that
you have that time? You know, it's there's nothing elaborate.

(54:52):
We just sit on the back porch because it's just
like such a busy time. There's like a not a
lot of time that I'm sitting still UM. And we're
working on that by moving the center of gravity a
little closer to San Diego. This camp that's super intentional.
Instead of me going to all over the place, what

(55:14):
if we bring the party to me? UM? So I
think for us, we've got a little house and we
just sit on the back porch. It's that simple. And
people walk by, there's no kate. They walk along the
bay holding hands and they wave to us. We waved
to them, wave back. You're such a good neighbor. Apparently

(55:34):
I don't know, but I totally get this idea that
that we do the best that we can. UM. One
of the overriding principles for our relationship is I'm not
trying to be like her and she's not trying to
be like me. We're trying to be like Jesus and
to say, like, so, could you actually do that? And
we each navigate that a different way. UM. But part

(55:56):
of it is just being home. Like so I'll go
somewhere and I'll fly home, and I go somewhere and
I fly home. I think I flew three hundred thousand
miles lash yair because I go somewhere and I fly home.
So we don't try to figure out how do I
get somewhere trying to figure out how do I get home?
And I figured that out from failing because I pulled
into the driveway after one of these big like let's

(56:17):
go and help everybody things, and in the window is
a help on its sign. I'm not kidding. Sweet Maria
wasn't saying that she needed help. She's like, dude, you
actually need help. You are missing it. And so she's
kept this sign and she doesn't hold it like the
sort of DAMO lays over my head. But but one
of the things that I'm just trying to do is

(56:38):
be more available there because it's easy to be available
to everybody else, But can you actually be re feed
are can you actually be available to the people that
you love the most? And just that practicing being fully present?
You know one thing that we do. We throw this
ball back and forth. I'm not a baseball guy, but
if you answer your cell phone, you'll lose teeth. And

(56:59):
so it's we just play catch. It's like a super
intentional thing. So on your little date night, which is
on the back porch, it's just the nicest where. Now
I'm going to go get three like the daisy with
three like pedals, and I'm going to get a football.
He will he will love life. If I bring home
a football and I'm like, you wanna play catch? He

(57:20):
would lose his mind. You think it's amazing, there's something
and I didn't get my cell phone out? Yes, isn't
that crazy marriage counseling right here? People? I don't know, man,
I just think these distractions are what are keeping us
away from the kind of intimacy they already have. Somehow,
I think of the Devil and his minions made iPhones,

(57:40):
so we'd be constantly distracted wouldn't be the second time
an Apple did us in. But one of the things
that I want to do is I want to just
be fully present wherever I am. Like, I'm here, We've
had this time together, and there's no question. I'm not
looking at my phone, I'm not looking at the watch,
I'm not looking at anything else. Just beef fully present

(58:00):
right there. That'd be such a easy thing to practice
for all of us, me too, starting with me. I
make coffee nervous, I'm like, it's free. I've been trying
to slow down, just give people time. Yeah, I love it. Well,
thank you, Bob for I'm so glad I got to
be in the blast radius of you and Chase, and
I feel like I made two new friends so fun.

(58:21):
My cheeks hurt from smiling, so you're gonna have to go.
I can't smile any more. Okay, Well, um, everybody follow him.
He's doing amazing things. Get his books, Um, follow his journey,
call his cell phone, email him. You might get three
sentences back. Okay, freaking out because yeah, that's a wrap

(58:47):
on today's episode, and Bob Golf was on he is
podcast goals, Like, still can't believe I had him on
the podcast. I mean, he is wise, he's inspiring, he's amazing,
he's kind, he loves people. I mean he loves people
and he loves them well, and there's so much we
can learn from him, and it was just super super
cool to have him on I Uh. I went ahead

(59:09):
and put his books up on my Amazon page so
that they're easy to find. Just Radio Ama dot com
if you want to see my Amazon Favorite Things and
there's like books added there, so definitely check that out.
And then if I ever if you ever hear you
mentioned other products and you're curious about more things that
I use, some of them you can find on my
Amazon page. To make it easy. Uh, every episode on Thursdays,

(59:34):
I do an email shout out at the end Tuesday's
my Q and a episode where I answer your questions
that come in on the email. But then you never
know when your email might get a shout out at
the end of a Thursday Four Things episode. So before
I read this email though, I've got from Sarah. Though,
my daughter Stashia is sitting right here, so I thought
she could just say hi to everybody, Hi Hi, because
she doesn't ever come on the podcast, but she came

(59:57):
upstairs to sit with me while I recorded this. So
I thought that that was sweet. Yeah, why don't you
ever come on the podcast because I'm busy. Oh you're busy,
but you're not busy right now and I come up here?
Will you come up here? What you come up here
to avoid bedtime? Yeah? Okay, well you can stay with me.

(01:00:19):
We're almost done. I'm going to read this email shout out.
Is there anything you want to say to my listeners?
Since I have you here? What is it's my listener?
The people listening, you can say hi to them, hope
you have a great day. Hi, thank you, thank you
for listening to my mom's podcast. I'll be a great
night and get the place with Haiti. Oh that's nice. Yeah,

(01:00:46):
we do need to be praying for Haiti all that's
like for real, we're gonna praying for Haiti before bed
tonight because there's just some civil unrest and political things
what sometimes in bed. No, not yet, we'll go upstairs
and pray all together in just a minute, and we're
definitely praying for Haiti. So that's a good idea to
have everybody else, uh pray for Haiti to um okay

(01:01:07):
quickly email shout out from Sarah. I wanted to say
how much I love the Christmas pullovers. I'm getting ready
to order them for my family so I can hand
them out at Thanksgiving. I wanted to create a new
tradition to honor my grandfather, who passed away a few
months back. Christmas was our absolute favorite time of year,
and all the kids and grandkids would travel to his
house to play board games and eat monkey bread and

(01:01:29):
laugh until we were crying. I'm gifting him there. I'm
gifting the pullovers, excuse me, to my family so that
his traditions will always be remembered. Your pullovers will be
such a great way to honor him this year, and
I'm so thankful for all that you and the Shot
Forward do so. Sarah, I'm so sorry to hear about
the loss of your grandfather. I know that that's hard,
and I hope he's with peace. Oh he's rest in peace.

(01:01:51):
That is sweet, yes, um, But it's cool that you
can make him or make your family pull over is
Christmas ones to honor him. I'm assuming. I don't know
what your four things are going to be, but I'm
thinking maybe monkey bread, board games, Christmas laughing or something
like that would be cute. Yeah, Christmas for sure, which Seciore,

(01:02:15):
have you ever had monkey bread? We should probably make
that this Christmas. It's good. Papal he makes one that's
like savory. It's like garlic and butter and salt, and
it's so good. But you can also make it sweet
with like cinnamon and sugar. It's definitely a good holiday treat.
You can make it Thanksgiving or Christmas. Um. But yeah,
Sarah glad you can do this and just anybody else

(01:02:35):
who wants to customize of four Things Christmas pull over.
We have a limited amount. We there's only so many
we can print. We're already getting tons of orders in.
So if you want to think of your four things
and you want to order them for yourself for your family,
get your order placed. You can do it at find
the link at radio dot com or go to four
Things dot com and do that and then heads up

(01:02:56):
on shop a Spaws Instagram and the shot forwards Instagram.
If you go to the post that we both did
recently that has like a picture of me and the
red pullover with a little sign that says make your own.
If you click on that and swipe through you'll see ideas,
but you also see a cute little chart that we
made that has tons of words that fit perfectly on
a shirt because you can only do eleven to thirteen characters.

(01:03:19):
So go check those out. Get your orders in Gettleman
times so you can pass them out to your family
at Thanksgiving or half for yourself, and then Stashira, I
have one for me Dad, And then I'm getting you
and Stevenson the kid once and we're all going to
put on flamel flannel pajama bottoms and we're taking a
fun family photo. It's gonna be so cute. Are you excited? Oh? Good? Okay, alright,

(01:03:41):
so um yeah. Well that's a wrap on today's episode.
We will see you on Tuesday for the Q and A. Again,
thank you Sarah for the sweet email thinking of your family.
Uh and yeah, we'll see you see you on the
flip side. Can you say bye bye to Joy? Never lie?

(01:04:02):
He can't he can't be come to Joy, Never lie,
cast up roath things, little food for yourself. So life
ain't always pretty, but hey it's pretty beautiful things beautiful.
Laugh for a little more. Famil tightened up because the
thing ain't him of course said he can't your kicking

(01:04:23):
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