March 25, 2025 • 22 mins
4 Things with Amy Brown is getting a makeover! Starting April 1st, the podcast will change to Feeling Things with Amy & Kat. It'll still be on the same feed (you don’t need to change a thing), but now Kat Van Buren, the therapist you already know and love from our 5th Thing episodes and host of You Need Therapy podcast, is officially joining Amy as full-time co-host.
In this episode, Amy & Kat talk about why they're making the change, what you can expect moving forward, and how you can get involved (hint: go follow @FeelingThingsPodcast on Instagram for a very good giveaway).
This change reflects where we’ve grown and where we’re going: more honest conversations, more laughter, more depth, more stories, and definitely more feelings. Think of it as a natural evolution of everything we’ve already been building together.
Thanks for being part of this journey with us. Change can be hard, but it can also be really beautiful. Like butterflies...which is why this is today's quote: “We delight in the beauty of the butterfly, but rarely admit the changes it has gone through to achieve that beauty!” - Maya Angelou
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Email: heythere@feelingthingspodcast.com
HOSTS:
Amy Brown // RadioAmy.com // @RadioAmy
Kat Vanburen // @KatVanburen // @YouNeedTherapyPodcast // YouNeedTherapyPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Happy Tuesday, Welcome to the Fifth Thing. I'm Amy and
I'm Kat, and well today is announcement day. We tease
that the twenty fifth would be when we make our
announcement of something we've been talking about for a while,
and today's the day. And I mean Kat, you would agree.
Change is weird and scary and scary. Yes, and pretty
(00:24):
much what we have to tell you is four Things
is getting a little makeover of sorts, and a lot
of change has been happening over the last several months,
and finally, on April first, the big flip will happen. Now,
if change is weird for you, and you've been a
loyal listener from the beginning, you might be like, what
what is happening? But as writer and poet Maya Angelo
(00:47):
once said, we delight in the beauty of the butterfly,
but rarely admit the changes it has gone through to
achieve that beauty. So I don't know. Back in the fall,
maybe I was a little caterpillar and I went to
cat We.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Were at the nail salon. It are we getting our
nails done? Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So it was last August, Yes, yesterday, we got our
nails done, and I just threw it out to Kat,
would you like to be a full time co host
on the podcast? Because I was doing four things on
Thursday by myself and the bonus episode was the fifth thing,
and she came on as my co host for the
fifth thing a few.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Years ago, like maybe three.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Then I got this idea after we got our nails done,
and I guess I had been thinking there might be
some change, but I didn't know what that would look like.
And then I remember we left and I was driving
in my car and I called you and I was
in I pulled into my house and I was in
my driveway and I asked you, and I remember being
a little bit nervous, but then you were like, well, yeah,
(01:49):
I've been kind of thinking that you need therapy is
getting a little bit much for me, which is a
podcast that Kat was hosting, and I didn't know how
she would feel about sort of combining ours, although this
is not a therapy podcast, and we'll get to what
it is turning into. But with that quote, I think
it's just a beautiful picture of we're about to turn
(02:10):
into our butterflies. I guess we are now because this
is announced it butterfly, but on April first, we'll be
taking flight. So I'd say, back in August, we were
a little caterpillars, and then the last several months, lots
of months, gosh, that was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Six months we're inn We.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Were in our cocoon and we were turning into bush
and trying to figure this whole thing out, and we're
finally ready to emerge. So that is why the butterfly
quote was very fitting for this.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So drum roll please, if.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You ever have feelings that you just wollsome maybe a
cat gotcha cob and locking a brother, Ladies and fells,
do you just follow an the spirit where it's ound
of this phone and real stuff to the chill stuff
and m but swaying. Sometimes the best thing you can
do it just you feel things. This is feeling things with.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Amy and Kat.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
The podcast now has a new name, so it's no
longer four Things with Amy Brown. It is feeling things
with Amy and Kat, Feeling things with Amy and Kat,
Feeling things with Amy and Kat and Ka. Yeah, so
we're still working on things, but it'll be on this
feed formerly Four Things with Amy Brown. You don't have
to change anything everything that you do to access. This
(03:36):
podcast is the same for you. You'll just see new
artwork and then obviously you'll hear feeling Things. So Walker
Hayes originally did my four Things theme song and he
is a part of the rebrand, so we're getting a
little Walker Hayes Feeling Things remix, and yeah, Kat is
now a full time co host again. It's called Feeling
(03:58):
Things with Amy and Kat, and our tagline is a
podcast for anyone who's ever had feelings or wants to, and.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Which is everybody, Yeah, let's hope. Well yeah, I mean,
I guess a couple people could be left out of that.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
They're like, I don't I don't want to have feelings
and I don't have them. There's hope, I guess. And
then the description is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat
is a podcast for anyone who's ever had feelings or
wants to, Hosted by Amy Brown and therapist Kat van Buren.
This isn't a therapy podcast. It's a space where nothing
is off limits, from deep reflections on childhood to pop
(04:31):
culture obsessions to what's happening in the world. All feelings
deserve space, big, small, and everything in between. At its core,
it's real friends having real conversations about real feelings. Some
topics are heavy, some are light, but all are worth
talking about. After all, in a world that moves fast,
sometimes the best thing we can do is stop and
(04:52):
feel things.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Beautiful, I said, that's a description. We also have an
Instagram for the podcast. We'd love for you to follow
at Feeling Things Podcast. Kat secured that, good job, and
we will be loading up some content as we gear
up for April first, to make sure you follow, and
we'll be in the stories, both of us interacting with
(05:16):
you all. We look forward to that, and we're going
to do a little snail giveaway as well. I know
sometimes incentive helps, but I'm obsessed with snail serum. I
gave Kat some Biopel Tensage forty. It's a ten pack
of this amazing snail stuff. I gave it to her
two years ago and she never used it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
That's a lie. I used it two months ago.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
No, I was getting to that point. You didn't let
me finish it took you two years to use it.
What I was saying is, yeah, you finally tried it
a couple of months ago, and what you're obsessed, I'm
obsessed with it. Yeah, this is a big deal. So
your initial feeling about it was this is weirdless, I'm
not putting snail stuff on my face. Thanks for the gift, Amy,
but I'm going to keep it in a drawer. And
(06:01):
I thought I didn't throw it out, Yeah, because that
ten pack is one hundred and fifty dollars value.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Well, I only had I didn't have the whole pack.
I had a sample.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Oh I didn't give you the whole ten pack.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Which rightfully, so I didn't deserve it.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Okay, Why thought I gave you the whole thing? Okay,
well goud So you just left a one little van
It was like, yeah, two little ampuels. Okay. So this
is a win win for you. You get to follow
along with me and Kat and then you also get
a chance at the ten sage forty the snail SERMs.
We'll be giving away a ton of those, and that's
(06:34):
just a fun little thing, and we'll do other giveaways
on there. And just to give you a breakdown of
what the episodes are going to be like, well, let's
start with Tuesdays. I'm used to the four Things layout,
which it started with just every Thursday episodes and then
Bobby and I were talking, we were like, we should
do bonus episodes. Well, we thought Tuesday was the best day.
So it was weird because four things were on Thursdays
and then the fifth thing was on Tuesday at the
(06:56):
top of the week. It always felt a little weird backwards,
but that's why we're changing. Changing is good. We're evolving.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
It's part of being a butterfly.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
If you're not evolving, you're dying. You're dying exactly. So
let's start with the top of the week since that's
what we do now here. So Tuesday is going to
be amy and cat chat type situation. Maybe occasional interviews
guests that come on, but really we want to just
keep this conversational with me and Kat, like we're your girlfriends,
(07:24):
joining you for whatever it is you have going on.
It's going to be casual, there's no rules, free flow whatever, stories,
pop culture things, things we're learning, things were unlearning. And
then on Thursdays, we're stealing a page from Cat's Unique
Therapy podcast and we are doing couch Talks, which that'll
be our listener Q and a episode.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Where you guys can just send in anything that you
have questions whether it's for Amy, whether it's for me,
whether it's for both of us.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
A topic, suggestion, something you want to go over. We
will be bringing back the voicemail line, although I will
say emails were way more popular than the voicemail line,
which I always I'm confusing, like I want to hear
y'all's voices. So when we bring that back, I would
love for you to call. I would love to do
live calls, like get people on and interact with them,
like talk hey, this is instead of just giving a response,
(08:12):
and then they can interact a little bit. So that
could be on the horizon.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
On the horizon.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It is on the horizon. And if you want to
hit us up, you can. Now you can start emailing
us Hello at Feeling Things podcast dot com.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Hello, it's me.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
What's up? His song? I Hello Hello from the other side.
That's what I was saying, the same song.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Doesn't I say hello Hello? Doesn't say it to me?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It's maybe anyway. People won't forget that now they'll remember
Hello at Feeling Things podcast dot com. And we would
love to hear from you again. April first, it's going
to be the first episode. This is not an April
fools joke. I was telling Kat the other day when
we were going over the calendar and we were like, yeah,
let's do it on April first, and I was like, oh, yeah,
that's April Fols. And I was like, oh, it's also
(08:58):
the day my dad died. And I'll never forget that
because obviously the day died.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, he was fine.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
But anyway, well, dates get a little tricky, Like, I know,
my mom's is October twenty seventh because it's the day
before my sister's birthday. That was a little rough, but like,
I don't know if it was actually assigned to that.
Sometimes they might be like, shoot, was it the you know,
twenty second or was it the twenty third, because sometimes
you play that game. But now April Fols is my
(09:24):
dad and I won't never forget that because we kept
thinking this would be the ultimate dad prank if he's
on life support and we unplugg him and then he's
like just kidding, you know, I'd be like, how do
you pull that off? April fools. He didn't know. He
never woke up. Obviously, Obviously I'm feeling fine about it.
I think time has passed offers levity to the I
(09:47):
mean we were laughing about it in that n as
we unpluged, which honestly might have been nice to have
some levity in probably one of the hardest days. Oh yes,
because I mean with my mom her body went naturally,
and then with my dad we had done pluggin. It
was two very different experiences. But I ever tell you
the song that was playing. So when you unplug someone,
(10:07):
you don't know if they're gonna pass away in a minute,
three minutes or three days, you don't know. And the
doctor told us from what he could tell, it would
happen rather quickly, but he can't guarantee anything. So my
sister had a playlist on loop shuffle is that how
you say it? A shuffle on my dad's iPad, And
(10:28):
when the doctor said, okay, he's gone now that song
with Dolly Pardon and I can't think of his other name.
He's a Christian artist. They have a song together called
There Was Jesus, and that was the song that was
playing whenever the doctor is like it's time. And then
right after that song, Amarilla by Morning came on, which
so my dad was like two stepping. I've told that story,
I know on the podcast or would. I don't know
(10:50):
I've ever told it to you. But anyway, we're not
going to talk about said things like that sometimes, but hey,
sometimes we will because Feeling Things is a podcast where
all feelings are welcome, and sometimes you may not know
your feelings. So this is gonna be a good way
for you to get to know all the different feelings
are out there that are out there, and Kat has
made this feelings wheel.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I made my own.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
You can find them anywhere, but I made one that
made sense with how I have categorized and looked at
and kind of learned how to access my own feelings.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
If you need that, we have that for you.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
When we're going to do a newsletter. Once we get
that up and running, that'll be incentive. You can type
in your email and get the feelings and.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
We'll send that to you.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, yeah, as part of that. So how are you
feeling about the announcement finally being out there? How are
you feeling about the announcement finally being out there?
Speaker 5 (11:53):
The feeling I have in my body is like relief
because I feel like we've been holding this in for
what six months?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
And I guess originally my plan was, Okay, we'll announce
it January. Again, you want'll announce it in February, and
then well once it in March, and now here it
is late March and we're launching April first. But that
is patience because it just wasn't the right time.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Right it would have been rushed.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
But I also feel like you, I don't know if
this is you in all aspects of life, but you
really just wanted to blurt it out, and it was
hard to hold it in.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Of course, Now some people, especially if they listen to
the Bobby Bone Show, they might understand sometimes I spoil things,
but I don't mean to. I get ahead of myself
and I blurt out things that sometimes might be.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
A key part because you're excited.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, because well, I'm just excited. I'm not thinking like, oh,
that's not something that's just known. Like I'm thinking, before
you watch something, you may already know this is sort
of what's taking place, Like I'm not giving away the
whole picture. But then oftentimes, inevitably there's a listener that
will email in and say, Bobby Amy spoiled this from me.
I had no idea that was going to happen, And
I'm like, shoot, but.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Is it something that's in the like commercial.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
That's what I think. So I get ahead and blurt
it out, but it's it must not be because then
Mike d will fact check it and I'll be like, yeah,
sure enough, she's spoiled it. So now do you know
on the show, like, I'm only allowed to say, like
if I've watched something, I'll be like, I watched Paradise.
I think that's one I kind of ruined a little
bit too. But if I was reviewing it, I'm just
allowed to say, I watched Paradise. I give it, you know,
(13:20):
five presidents out of five that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Me, Well, you get it five.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Out of five stars, but you pick something from the
show that has to do with it. And so there's
a president in the show Paradise. So I can just
say the show and if I like it or not,
basically got it. I'm not allowed to give any other
thoughts or details around it, which Kat and I will
be talking pop culture type things on here and even
shows at times, and I promise I'm going to have
(13:46):
a little bit more to say, but I'm not going
to spoil anything at all.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
We're going to do your best, yeah, to try not
to because I think I know what you spoiled in Paradise,
and I don't think that's a spoiler really because I
got trouble with the same thing.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Oh and it's what the shows about. Well thanks for
having me back. Yeah, you see what's here on the table.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Feelings will but it's not mine.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well, it's called an emotional barometer, and so like you
spin it and then you go to the thing that
it lands on. So instead of talking about anything else,
we can just kind of close with a feeling, because
I do think that that's what's going to happen in
the episodes, is you're going to learn about more of
your feelings, and you're going to learn new types of feelings.
(14:27):
You're going to be able to assign new language, I
guess how you're feeling, because sometimes you can't. You don't know,
I don't know how to say how I feel. But
when you have a wider vocabulary, you can. And so
we'll slowly but surely start to cover all of that.
And again it won't be heavy like all in one
episode where you're just getting all this information. It's kind
(14:49):
of like you're talking with your girlfriends and you have
a mix of it walk away from you know, the
happy hour or the hang Do you ever have that
with your I mean, I know you and I have
it together, but I have a couple of other friends too,
where when I'm going to go on a hike with
them or get dinner with them happy hour, I know
I'm walking away with a little nugget fun and a
(15:10):
little nugget a wisdom. Yes, one of those people being
Ali Fallon and Gracie Moochlar. So this is a little
nugget that you're going to get and it'll be like
weaved in, but it won't seem like an overwhelming thing. Okay,
you're trying to get a spin, but then I'm going
to have to find it. But just spin it. And
that's why I thought, I want to just draw it.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Flick it. Oh what can I respin it?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I got a.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Weepy Oh okay, well weepy it is, except for we
should probably just draw it because spinning it, I have
to find it. Oh okay, so oh found Sorry, as
I was doing that, it came across it. Okay, if
you're feeling weepy, we're not actually crying at the moment.
But the tears are far closer to the surface than
(15:55):
they normally would be. A whole host of relatively minor
things threatens to set us off. See I've been this,
but I don't think I would ever be able to say, Oh,
I'm weepy right now?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
What would you say? You're irritable probably.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Or I'm on the verge of crying. Strangely, they aren't
the grim things we might associate with crying. They're things
that feel especially beautiful, tender, or pure.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Oh I'm weepy all the time now it's.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Taken a shift. We might feel our eyes moistening at
the sight of something delicate, like flowers breaking through the
hard earth after a long winter, or a parent and
a child chatting together in a cafe. The kid is
talking about a penguin they've seen recently in a book,
or a friend who greets us in an unusually warm way,
(16:43):
or a moment in a film when a moralistic father
makes up with his wayward son. The source of our
weepiness is located in the place where the troubles of
life collide with what is still kind and good in
the world. The loveliness we see in a film in
a park in a book makes the actual ugliness of
(17:04):
day to day life all the more vivid. We want
to cry at poignant reminders of a kind of paradise
that's ever more elusive, at what we crave and have
been exiled from. Ooh, weepees deep.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah that was not what I saved.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, me neither. So see I didn't even know really
what weep want. Now we do, so we do want weep. Yeah,
you almost didn't want it. That's what we're not done.
There's more on the back. These cards are so cool again.
It's called Emotional Barometer. You can get them at the
Schooloflife dot com. I got them at.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Eye Oh this actually like stands up and stuff you
can put on your desk.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, they had this in the gift shop at that
therapy retreat I went to. Okay, here, continuing with weepe,
if we were to consider the unusual project of trying
to create a robot that could feel weepy, we would
have to do something apparently rather cruel. We would have
to ensure that this robot knew about suffering, that it
(18:05):
was able to hate itself and feel loss and confusion,
For it is against the kind of background of pain
that beautiful scenes become deeply important rather than merely nice.
Our weepiness is telling us something key, that our lives
are tougher than they were when we were little, and
that our longing for uncomplicated niceness and goodness is correspondingly
(18:27):
all the more intense. When we are weepy, we don't
need to be cheered up or told to feel grateful
for the good things we still have. Ideally, we'd like
the sorrow in us to meet the sorrow in another person.
It sounds odd, but perhaps we'd like to weep quietly
for a bit with someone else who understands. And I
(18:49):
feel like that was the perfect one for you to
spin the wheel on, because as I was reading that
last part, I have a sense of gratitude for four
things and all that it was so many years and
where it started and how it evolved in itself, and
then now what it's becoming now with you. And there's
(19:11):
like a tender spot for little me that started that
then and then who I am now and I'm grateful.
So that last part just made me think like there's
some some weepiness And to the loyal listeners that have
been with us the entire time and will continue to
be here. Thank you. And if you happen to be
(19:32):
listening to this for the very first time ever and
you're like, oh, it's just really excited about getting into
the fifth thing, Well this is the last one.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Okay, but you kind of have it all the time.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, there's lots of other things you can still go
back and listen to. I assume I'm just gonna ask Morgan.
All of that will stay on the Yeah, so boom.
Morgan confirmed that everything will stay up. Every four Things
episode ever done. Some actually I wish would go away,
delete and die and never come back, but they'll be
(20:02):
there forever. And then you can start with feeling things,
which we'll figure out how we're going to be numbering them.
But there are hundreds and hundreds of four things for
you to listen to, and thank you to those that
were with me throughout a lot of those, if not
all of them. And by hundreds of hundreds, I don't
(20:22):
know the exact number, but more Oh wasn't you Morgan.
I was doing some numbers with Fazzio the other day
and I think she said that we're about to hit
like twenty five million downloads.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
You're about to say twenty five million episodes. No, that
would be I love I'd be over a thousand episodes.
You think we haven't.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Hit a thousand yet. That's why I know it's in
the hundreds. But which obviously some of those downloads, those
are repeat people. It's not the same people, but just
over the years and some episodes you know, have way
more than others. Can't explain it, don't know why, but
Kat and I hope you'll listen to every single episode
of Feeling Things every Tuesday, every Thursday, never miss it
(21:00):
because we want you to be.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
With us and thank you for letting me join you
on this.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Thank you for accepting and you need therap people always
be alive too. People can go back and listen to that.
Which something that I'm going to be doing, like on
this Thursday's episode and next thursdays before we lead up
to April. First, Katin will be with me in a
little intro. I think we'll see TVD. You'll have to
listen to find out. But I'll be setting up some
of your you Need Therapy episodes so people can listen
(21:26):
to it on the Four Things feed.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Yeah, and I want to add too, you just remind
me of this, you need therapy and four Things is
part of the reason we even met.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Outweigh is well, yes, but that was part of four
Things at the time.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Yeah, so that kind of those things brought us together
and now we're kind of combining them. So it is
like a sweet phase of life.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
We're emerging. We're still in our cocoon though, so give
us a week or so. We'll come out. April first,
all right, We hope y'all are having the day that
you need to have and woo boop see April first. Oh,
and we'll also see you on Instagram at Feeling Things
podcast and I'm at Radio Amy and you are at
kat van Buren.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Bye bye,
Happy Tuesday, Welcome to the Fifth Thing. I'm Amy and
I'm Kat, and well today is announcement day. We tease
that the twenty fifth would be when we make our
announcement of something we've been talking about for a while,
and today's the day. And I mean Kat, you would agree.
Change is weird and scary and scary. Yes, and pretty
(00:24):
much what we have to tell you is four Things
is getting a little makeover of sorts, and a lot
of change has been happening over the last several months,
and finally, on April first, the big flip will happen. Now,
if change is weird for you, and you've been a
loyal listener from the beginning, you might be like, what
what is happening? But as writer and poet Maya Angelo
(00:47):
once said, we delight in the beauty of the butterfly,
but rarely admit the changes it has gone through to
achieve that beauty. So I don't know. Back in the fall,
maybe I was a little caterpillar and I went to
cat We.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Were at the nail salon. It are we getting our
nails done? Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So it was last August, Yes, yesterday, we got our
nails done, and I just threw it out to Kat,
would you like to be a full time co host
on the podcast? Because I was doing four things on
Thursday by myself and the bonus episode was the fifth thing,
and she came on as my co host for the
fifth thing a few.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Years ago, like maybe three.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Then I got this idea after we got our nails done,
and I guess I had been thinking there might be
some change, but I didn't know what that would look like.
And then I remember we left and I was driving
in my car and I called you and I was
in I pulled into my house and I was in
my driveway and I asked you, and I remember being
a little bit nervous, but then you were like, well, yeah,
(01:49):
I've been kind of thinking that you need therapy is
getting a little bit much for me, which is a
podcast that Kat was hosting, and I didn't know how
she would feel about sort of combining ours, although this
is not a therapy podcast, and we'll get to what
it is turning into. But with that quote, I think
it's just a beautiful picture of we're about to turn
(02:10):
into our butterflies. I guess we are now because this
is announced it butterfly, but on April first, we'll be
taking flight. So I'd say, back in August, we were
a little caterpillars, and then the last several months, lots
of months, gosh, that was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Six months we're inn We.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Were in our cocoon and we were turning into bush
and trying to figure this whole thing out, and we're
finally ready to emerge. So that is why the butterfly
quote was very fitting for this.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So drum roll please, if.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
You ever have feelings that you just wollsome maybe a
cat gotcha cob and locking a brother, Ladies and fells,
do you just follow an the spirit where it's ound
of this phone and real stuff to the chill stuff
and m but swaying. Sometimes the best thing you can
do it just you feel things. This is feeling things with.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Amy and Kat.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
The podcast now has a new name, so it's no
longer four Things with Amy Brown. It is feeling things
with Amy and Kat, Feeling things with Amy and Kat,
Feeling things with Amy and Kat and Ka. Yeah, so
we're still working on things, but it'll be on this
feed formerly Four Things with Amy Brown. You don't have
to change anything everything that you do to access. This
(03:36):
podcast is the same for you. You'll just see new
artwork and then obviously you'll hear feeling Things. So Walker
Hayes originally did my four Things theme song and he
is a part of the rebrand, so we're getting a
little Walker Hayes Feeling Things remix, and yeah, Kat is
now a full time co host again. It's called Feeling
(03:58):
Things with Amy and Kat, and our tagline is a
podcast for anyone who's ever had feelings or wants to, and.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Which is everybody, Yeah, let's hope. Well yeah, I mean,
I guess a couple people could be left out of that.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
They're like, I don't I don't want to have feelings
and I don't have them. There's hope, I guess. And
then the description is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat
is a podcast for anyone who's ever had feelings or
wants to, Hosted by Amy Brown and therapist Kat van Buren.
This isn't a therapy podcast. It's a space where nothing
is off limits, from deep reflections on childhood to pop
(04:31):
culture obsessions to what's happening in the world. All feelings
deserve space, big, small, and everything in between. At its core,
it's real friends having real conversations about real feelings. Some
topics are heavy, some are light, but all are worth
talking about. After all, in a world that moves fast,
sometimes the best thing we can do is stop and
(04:52):
feel things.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Beautiful, I said, that's a description. We also have an
Instagram for the podcast. We'd love for you to follow
at Feeling Things Podcast. Kat secured that, good job, and
we will be loading up some content as we gear
up for April first, to make sure you follow, and
we'll be in the stories, both of us interacting with
(05:16):
you all. We look forward to that, and we're going
to do a little snail giveaway as well. I know
sometimes incentive helps, but I'm obsessed with snail serum. I
gave Kat some Biopel Tensage forty. It's a ten pack
of this amazing snail stuff. I gave it to her
two years ago and she never used it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
That's a lie. I used it two months ago.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
No, I was getting to that point. You didn't let
me finish it took you two years to use it.
What I was saying is, yeah, you finally tried it
a couple of months ago, and what you're obsessed, I'm
obsessed with it. Yeah, this is a big deal. So
your initial feeling about it was this is weirdless, I'm
not putting snail stuff on my face. Thanks for the gift, Amy,
but I'm going to keep it in a drawer. And
(06:01):
I thought I didn't throw it out, Yeah, because that
ten pack is one hundred and fifty dollars value.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Well, I only had I didn't have the whole pack.
I had a sample.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Oh I didn't give you the whole ten pack.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Which rightfully, so I didn't deserve it.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Okay, Why thought I gave you the whole thing? Okay,
well goud So you just left a one little van
It was like, yeah, two little ampuels. Okay. So this
is a win win for you. You get to follow
along with me and Kat and then you also get
a chance at the ten sage forty the snail SERMs.
We'll be giving away a ton of those, and that's
(06:34):
just a fun little thing, and we'll do other giveaways
on there. And just to give you a breakdown of
what the episodes are going to be like, well, let's
start with Tuesdays. I'm used to the four Things layout,
which it started with just every Thursday episodes and then
Bobby and I were talking, we were like, we should
do bonus episodes. Well, we thought Tuesday was the best day.
So it was weird because four things were on Thursdays
and then the fifth thing was on Tuesday at the
(06:56):
top of the week. It always felt a little weird backwards,
but that's why we're changing. Changing is good. We're evolving.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
It's part of being a butterfly.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
If you're not evolving, you're dying. You're dying exactly. So
let's start with the top of the week since that's
what we do now here. So Tuesday is going to
be amy and cat chat type situation. Maybe occasional interviews
guests that come on, but really we want to just
keep this conversational with me and Kat, like we're your girlfriends,
(07:24):
joining you for whatever it is you have going on.
It's going to be casual, there's no rules, free flow whatever, stories,
pop culture things, things we're learning, things were unlearning. And
then on Thursdays, we're stealing a page from Cat's Unique
Therapy podcast and we are doing couch Talks, which that'll
be our listener Q and a episode.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Where you guys can just send in anything that you
have questions whether it's for Amy, whether it's for me,
whether it's for both of us.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
A topic, suggestion, something you want to go over. We
will be bringing back the voicemail line, although I will
say emails were way more popular than the voicemail line,
which I always I'm confusing, like I want to hear
y'all's voices. So when we bring that back, I would
love for you to call. I would love to do
live calls, like get people on and interact with them,
like talk hey, this is instead of just giving a response,
(08:12):
and then they can interact a little bit. So that
could be on the horizon.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
On the horizon.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It is on the horizon. And if you want to
hit us up, you can. Now you can start emailing
us Hello at Feeling Things podcast dot com.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Hello, it's me.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
What's up? His song? I Hello Hello from the other side.
That's what I was saying, the same song.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Doesn't I say hello Hello? Doesn't say it to me?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It's maybe anyway. People won't forget that now they'll remember
Hello at Feeling Things podcast dot com. And we would
love to hear from you again. April first, it's going
to be the first episode. This is not an April
fools joke. I was telling Kat the other day when
we were going over the calendar and we were like, yeah,
let's do it on April first, and I was like, oh, yeah,
that's April Fols. And I was like, oh, it's also
(08:58):
the day my dad died. And I'll never forget that
because obviously the day died.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, he was fine.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
But anyway, well, dates get a little tricky, Like, I know,
my mom's is October twenty seventh because it's the day
before my sister's birthday. That was a little rough, but like,
I don't know if it was actually assigned to that.
Sometimes they might be like, shoot, was it the you know,
twenty second or was it the twenty third, because sometimes
you play that game. But now April Fols is my
(09:24):
dad and I won't never forget that because we kept
thinking this would be the ultimate dad prank if he's
on life support and we unplugg him and then he's
like just kidding, you know, I'd be like, how do
you pull that off? April fools. He didn't know. He
never woke up. Obviously, Obviously I'm feeling fine about it.
I think time has passed offers levity to the I
(09:47):
mean we were laughing about it in that n as
we unpluged, which honestly might have been nice to have
some levity in probably one of the hardest days. Oh yes,
because I mean with my mom her body went naturally,
and then with my dad we had done pluggin. It
was two very different experiences. But I ever tell you
the song that was playing. So when you unplug someone,
(10:07):
you don't know if they're gonna pass away in a minute,
three minutes or three days, you don't know. And the
doctor told us from what he could tell, it would
happen rather quickly, but he can't guarantee anything. So my
sister had a playlist on loop shuffle is that how
you say it? A shuffle on my dad's iPad, And
(10:28):
when the doctor said, okay, he's gone now that song
with Dolly Pardon and I can't think of his other name.
He's a Christian artist. They have a song together called
There Was Jesus, and that was the song that was
playing whenever the doctor is like it's time. And then
right after that song, Amarilla by Morning came on, which
so my dad was like two stepping. I've told that story,
I know on the podcast or would. I don't know
(10:50):
I've ever told it to you. But anyway, we're not
going to talk about said things like that sometimes, but hey,
sometimes we will because Feeling Things is a podcast where
all feelings are welcome, and sometimes you may not know
your feelings. So this is gonna be a good way
for you to get to know all the different feelings
are out there that are out there, and Kat has
made this feelings wheel.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I made my own.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
You can find them anywhere, but I made one that
made sense with how I have categorized and looked at
and kind of learned how to access my own feelings.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
If you need that, we have that for you.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
When we're going to do a newsletter. Once we get
that up and running, that'll be incentive. You can type
in your email and get the feelings and.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
We'll send that to you.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, yeah, as part of that. So how are you
feeling about the announcement finally being out there? How are
you feeling about the announcement finally being out there?
Speaker 5 (11:53):
The feeling I have in my body is like relief
because I feel like we've been holding this in for
what six months?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
And I guess originally my plan was, Okay, we'll announce
it January. Again, you want'll announce it in February, and
then well once it in March, and now here it
is late March and we're launching April first. But that
is patience because it just wasn't the right time.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Right it would have been rushed.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
But I also feel like you, I don't know if
this is you in all aspects of life, but you
really just wanted to blurt it out, and it was
hard to hold it in.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Of course, Now some people, especially if they listen to
the Bobby Bone Show, they might understand sometimes I spoil things,
but I don't mean to. I get ahead of myself
and I blurt out things that sometimes might be.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
A key part because you're excited.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, because well, I'm just excited. I'm not thinking like, oh,
that's not something that's just known. Like I'm thinking, before
you watch something, you may already know this is sort
of what's taking place, Like I'm not giving away the
whole picture. But then oftentimes, inevitably there's a listener that
will email in and say, Bobby Amy spoiled this from me.
I had no idea that was going to happen, And
I'm like, shoot, but.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Is it something that's in the like commercial.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
That's what I think. So I get ahead and blurt
it out, but it's it must not be because then
Mike d will fact check it and I'll be like, yeah,
sure enough, she's spoiled it. So now do you know
on the show, like, I'm only allowed to say, like
if I've watched something, I'll be like, I watched Paradise.
I think that's one I kind of ruined a little
bit too. But if I was reviewing it, I'm just
allowed to say, I watched Paradise. I give it, you know,
(13:20):
five presidents out of five that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Me, Well, you get it five.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Out of five stars, but you pick something from the
show that has to do with it. And so there's
a president in the show Paradise. So I can just
say the show and if I like it or not,
basically got it. I'm not allowed to give any other
thoughts or details around it, which Kat and I will
be talking pop culture type things on here and even
shows at times, and I promise I'm going to have
(13:46):
a little bit more to say, but I'm not going
to spoil anything at all.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
We're going to do your best, yeah, to try not
to because I think I know what you spoiled in Paradise,
and I don't think that's a spoiler really because I
got trouble with the same thing.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Oh and it's what the shows about. Well thanks for
having me back. Yeah, you see what's here on the table.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Feelings will but it's not mine.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well, it's called an emotional barometer, and so like you
spin it and then you go to the thing that
it lands on. So instead of talking about anything else,
we can just kind of close with a feeling, because
I do think that that's what's going to happen in
the episodes, is you're going to learn about more of
your feelings, and you're going to learn new types of feelings.
(14:27):
You're going to be able to assign new language, I
guess how you're feeling, because sometimes you can't. You don't know,
I don't know how to say how I feel. But
when you have a wider vocabulary, you can. And so
we'll slowly but surely start to cover all of that.
And again it won't be heavy like all in one
episode where you're just getting all this information. It's kind
(14:49):
of like you're talking with your girlfriends and you have
a mix of it walk away from you know, the
happy hour or the hang Do you ever have that
with your I mean, I know you and I have
it together, but I have a couple of other friends too,
where when I'm going to go on a hike with
them or get dinner with them happy hour, I know
I'm walking away with a little nugget fun and a
(15:10):
little nugget a wisdom. Yes, one of those people being
Ali Fallon and Gracie Moochlar. So this is a little
nugget that you're going to get and it'll be like
weaved in, but it won't seem like an overwhelming thing. Okay,
you're trying to get a spin, but then I'm going
to have to find it. But just spin it. And
that's why I thought, I want to just draw it.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Flick it. Oh what can I respin it?
Speaker 5 (15:34):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I got a.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Weepy Oh okay, well weepy it is, except for we
should probably just draw it because spinning it, I have
to find it. Oh okay, so oh found Sorry, as
I was doing that, it came across it. Okay, if
you're feeling weepy, we're not actually crying at the moment.
But the tears are far closer to the surface than
(15:55):
they normally would be. A whole host of relatively minor
things threatens to set us off. See I've been this,
but I don't think I would ever be able to say, Oh,
I'm weepy right now?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
What would you say? You're irritable probably.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Or I'm on the verge of crying. Strangely, they aren't
the grim things we might associate with crying. They're things
that feel especially beautiful, tender, or pure.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Oh I'm weepy all the time now it's.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Taken a shift. We might feel our eyes moistening at
the sight of something delicate, like flowers breaking through the
hard earth after a long winter, or a parent and
a child chatting together in a cafe. The kid is
talking about a penguin they've seen recently in a book,
or a friend who greets us in an unusually warm way,
(16:43):
or a moment in a film when a moralistic father
makes up with his wayward son. The source of our
weepiness is located in the place where the troubles of
life collide with what is still kind and good in
the world. The loveliness we see in a film in
a park in a book makes the actual ugliness of
(17:04):
day to day life all the more vivid. We want
to cry at poignant reminders of a kind of paradise
that's ever more elusive, at what we crave and have
been exiled from. Ooh, weepees deep.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah that was not what I saved.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, me neither. So see I didn't even know really
what weep want. Now we do, so we do want weep. Yeah,
you almost didn't want it. That's what we're not done.
There's more on the back. These cards are so cool again.
It's called Emotional Barometer. You can get them at the
Schooloflife dot com. I got them at.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Eye Oh this actually like stands up and stuff you
can put on your desk.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, they had this in the gift shop at that
therapy retreat I went to. Okay, here, continuing with weepe,
if we were to consider the unusual project of trying
to create a robot that could feel weepy, we would
have to do something apparently rather cruel. We would have
to ensure that this robot knew about suffering, that it
(18:05):
was able to hate itself and feel loss and confusion,
For it is against the kind of background of pain
that beautiful scenes become deeply important rather than merely nice.
Our weepiness is telling us something key, that our lives
are tougher than they were when we were little, and
that our longing for uncomplicated niceness and goodness is correspondingly
(18:27):
all the more intense. When we are weepy, we don't
need to be cheered up or told to feel grateful
for the good things we still have. Ideally, we'd like
the sorrow in us to meet the sorrow in another person.
It sounds odd, but perhaps we'd like to weep quietly
for a bit with someone else who understands. And I
(18:49):
feel like that was the perfect one for you to
spin the wheel on, because as I was reading that
last part, I have a sense of gratitude for four
things and all that it was so many years and
where it started and how it evolved in itself, and
then now what it's becoming now with you. And there's
(19:11):
like a tender spot for little me that started that
then and then who I am now and I'm grateful.
So that last part just made me think like there's
some some weepiness And to the loyal listeners that have
been with us the entire time and will continue to
be here. Thank you. And if you happen to be
(19:32):
listening to this for the very first time ever and
you're like, oh, it's just really excited about getting into
the fifth thing, Well this is the last one.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Okay, but you kind of have it all the time.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, there's lots of other things you can still go
back and listen to. I assume I'm just gonna ask Morgan.
All of that will stay on the Yeah, so boom.
Morgan confirmed that everything will stay up. Every four Things
episode ever done. Some actually I wish would go away,
delete and die and never come back, but they'll be
(20:02):
there forever. And then you can start with feeling things,
which we'll figure out how we're going to be numbering them.
But there are hundreds and hundreds of four things for
you to listen to, and thank you to those that
were with me throughout a lot of those, if not
all of them. And by hundreds of hundreds, I don't
(20:22):
know the exact number, but more Oh wasn't you Morgan.
I was doing some numbers with Fazzio the other day
and I think she said that we're about to hit
like twenty five million downloads.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
You're about to say twenty five million episodes. No, that
would be I love I'd be over a thousand episodes.
You think we haven't.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Hit a thousand yet. That's why I know it's in
the hundreds. But which obviously some of those downloads, those
are repeat people. It's not the same people, but just
over the years and some episodes you know, have way
more than others. Can't explain it, don't know why, but
Kat and I hope you'll listen to every single episode
of Feeling Things every Tuesday, every Thursday, never miss it
(21:00):
because we want you to be.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
With us and thank you for letting me join you
on this.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Thank you for accepting and you need therap people always
be alive too. People can go back and listen to that.
Which something that I'm going to be doing, like on
this Thursday's episode and next thursdays before we lead up
to April. First, Katin will be with me in a
little intro. I think we'll see TVD. You'll have to
listen to find out. But I'll be setting up some
of your you Need Therapy episodes so people can listen
(21:26):
to it on the Four Things feed.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Yeah, and I want to add too, you just remind
me of this, you need therapy and four Things is
part of the reason we even met.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Outweigh is well, yes, but that was part of four
Things at the time.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Yeah, so that kind of those things brought us together
and now we're kind of combining them. So it is
like a sweet phase of life.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
We're emerging. We're still in our cocoon though, so give
us a week or so. We'll come out. April first,
all right, We hope y'all are having the day that
you need to have and woo boop see April first. Oh,
and we'll also see you on Instagram at Feeling Things
podcast and I'm at Radio Amy and you are at
kat van Buren.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Bye bye,
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