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April 12, 2025 31 mins
Dean talks about his recent project out in Albuquerque New Mexico and Tina’s enjoyment of puzzles. 
 Dean shares what type of solution to use when cleaning kitchen cabinets that have been painted over wood. Dean talks about cabinet hardware that has automatic storage with a Kitchen Aid appliance installed in them. Lastly, Dean advices on placement of a shutter fence without covering an ocean view on a tract home. 
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hey, welcome home. I'm Dean Sharp, the House Whisper, custom
home Builder, custom home Designer, and on the weekends right
now live, I am your guide to bender understanding that
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like to do recently. No, I've fallen into this habit

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diy you name it. It's kind of our theme this weekend.
By the way, the Big Show tomorrow, tomorrow's show, next
episode on the podcast, we're gonna be talking about fix it,
fix it stuff because it's springtime and people are finally realizing,
you know, all right, the weather is great, winter is over.

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I got to get around and get some of these
things done, some of these honeydew lists around the house.
So we're gonna be talking about fix it tips tomorrow
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We can talk a little bit about those today too,
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Kids go on spring break, so I'm taking them. We're
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Speaker 4 (03:45):
Morning, my friend. How are you today?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I am good. How are you doing good?

Speaker 4 (03:49):
You know, I'm trying to stay awake.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, what's going this morning? Right now? It's a dcaf green,
but I will be going to caffeine very soon. Oh
all right, so she's starting with a decaf green, but
then she's got deep dive.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Deep dive in.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Ah good. Sitting across the table from me, Gosh, look
at her. Oh my gosh. Here, I'll turn your mic on.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
That's nice.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
There you go. There's your spirit animal. Uh. You get
that puzzle to start today. By the way, sitting across
the table from me, my better half through it clearly,
you're like, you didn't have to say that, Dean. What happened?
Did your mic just fall off?

Speaker 4 (04:28):
We're good?

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Okay? Uh my design partner, the co owner, co founder
of House Whisper, most importantly to me, my best friend
in all the world. Uh, Tina is here.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Welcome home.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
How you do? You're holding your mic down? It just
fell off the arm. I'll fix it, all right, we'll
get it fixed. We'll get it fixed. I heard your
elephant just now, and it reminded me that we've got
that puzzle. Yes that Uh you an elephant. It's such
a sweet picture. It's an elephant trying to balance herself
on a tea cup, right, yeah, teapot service.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
She attempted to.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
There's on tea cups. There are some broken tea cups
around her feet.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
But she's done a really good job of an done it.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
She's such a sweetheart that that is such a sweet picture.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
We were a puzzle lab. Yeah, if you've ever heard
of them.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
We were in Albuquerque this week on Monday, Tuesday, and
Wednesday on working on a home design for a client,
and we were in Old Town. We went to Old
Town to kind of just cruise through. All the shops
in Old Town are just really cool. Oh, the pottery,
the art, I mean, the Native American art there, the

(05:44):
tribal art. There's so many stuff. But then we ran
into a puzzle store which they had puzzle lab puzzles.
And if you know anything about puzzle lab puzzles, well,
if you don't, obviously, I'll tell you right now. They are.
They're the amazing puzzles and Tina loves Loves loves puzzles,
jigsaw puzzles. They're made of wood, they're cut from wood,

(06:04):
and they've got these beautiful images. I mean, once you
build one, and they're not easy to do as far
as execute the puzzle because so many of the pieces
are the same shape and yet they're and then scattered
in between, there's all these random animal shapes and they're
just there are works of art and and a lot
of people once they assemble them, they'll mount them to

(06:26):
a board and hang them on a frame, like on
a wall, because they're just works of art.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
And I say, do yourself a favorite and look them
up online.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Puzzle lab, Yes, puzzle lab dot com. I don't know,
I don't know. Just search for puzzle abb.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
The original puzzle lab I believe is in Victoria, Canada.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Victoria, British Columbia. Yeah, we walked into that store too.
And when we walked into this guy's store, we were
looking around. We're like, hey, wooden puzzles, just like that
place in uh in Victorian. He's like, yeah, they're right
over here, puzzle Lab.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
It was good. It was a good trip to Albuquerque.
Wonderful clients, just to die for clients, and we had
a good time. Albuquerque not not the most exciting city
in the world. Okay, it's not like, you know, an
international destination for a lot of people. But I got
to tell you friendly that was one of the friendliest

(07:21):
towns I think we've ever been in as far. I mean,
you know when the TSA agent agents at the airport
are like, oh my gosh, let me take a look
at your ID here. Well, you guys are going back.
Why are you leaving here? Why are you leaving and
going back to southern California? You're gonna miss the Chilis
and just on. And I'm like, when a TSA agent

(07:43):
at the airport is one of the nicest people you've
met that day, you know you're in a friendly town.
All right, I'm going on and on. Listen, I've got
some things to talk to you about, but I would
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Speaker 6 (08:11):
Guy Keean sharp the house whisper, Hey, whether your home
is a condo, cottage or what's another sea word, a castle, condo, cottager, castle,
I am here to help you take it to the
next level.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
One of our themes here on The program that I
have tried to communicate faithfully over the years is very
simply this. The rules of architecture apply across the board.
The rules of good design apply across the board. The
rules of good construction apply across the board. So it
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(08:45):
tiny little shed or a multi room mansion. The fact
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And that's what we're all about here. We are also
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(09:09):
three the numeral to ask dean. Yes, we are live
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I'm ready for your calls. In fact, let's go to
the board I want to talk to We're going to
reward our very first caller today. Brenda. Hey, Brenda, welcome home.

Speaker 7 (09:29):
Hey, thank you. Welcome into my home too.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Thanks. I like it here. Wait, let me look around,
m Okay, how can I help you?

Speaker 7 (09:41):
Yes, I have a painter painted a couple of years
ago my kitchen, all because I have an old kitchen
covers and stuff, and so he painted over the original
wood stain with white paint. So now I have some
nicks and corners and stuff that need touched up, which

(10:05):
I can do myself, but I just need to know.
Probably there'll be some standing in some areas. I don't know,
but I just need to know how to prep before
I paint. And I know that I have to clean
like outside of my facia with some kind of a
cleaning solution to deal with the grease and handprints and stuff.

(10:26):
And I that's what I don't know what to buy
for the cleaning to prep it.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Okay, gotcha, gotcha? Well there's actually I like to recommend
two steps, two steps in the cleaning process pre paint.
If you're just cleaning your cabinets, you don't do the
second step here. But if we're getting ready for paint,
then two steps one and it's very simple. You can
use a just a dish soap like Dawn dish soap.

(10:56):
I prefer to run down to the hardware store and
get some Murphy's Oils soap. Okay, Murphy's Oil soap for
wood is just fantastic. It has It's not gonna get
your cabinets all slippery or anything like that. It's just
a wonderful wood cleaning solution and it'll help get all

(11:17):
the you know, that's the first step to get the
grease and grime and anything that's left over off. And
you don't have to abrasively scrub or anything like that.
Just be patient and be gentle with it, and and
give them a good bath with Murphy's Oil soap for wood,
or even a mild dish washing detergent. Honestly, they work

(11:40):
just great. Then then the next step would be one
nice you know, once they're nice and clean, one nice
wipe down to get any residue off with a mixture
of white vinegar and water. One to one mix of
white vinegar and water. And what that's gonna do, Brenda,
Not only will it finish off the cleaning, it'll take

(12:02):
off any residue of soap left behind for whatever reason.
But the vinegar vinegar has, you know, is essentially acetic acid.
It is a just a very very mild, wonderful acid
that that doesn't hurt anything, but it'll help open up
the porosity of the surface of the paint that's there,

(12:23):
which means that the new paint will just bond to
it really really well. Now, if your cabinets are super
shiny as far as the paint goes, and you're and
you're gonna do a larger area of paint, then I
don't really want you to sand unless you're trying to
get rid of some bad you know nick, I mean,

(12:43):
you know, bad impression. You don't really need to sand them,
but you may want to take some steel wool something
like that and just buff the sheene down on the
surface that you're about to paint again. It's not about
sanding it as in the sense of trying to smooth
out something that is rough and bumpy. It's a steel

(13:06):
wool that comes in in different different oughts. When you
go to the store and you're in the paint section,
you're looking at steel wool, they'll be a single zero
all the way up to four zeros. The four zero
is the finest. I like to do a three hought
or four hought steel wool, and you're just kind of
taking the sheen off so that it goes dull looking

(13:28):
and not shiny. Once you're at that place with a
clean cabinet, it's ready for another coated paint.

Speaker 7 (13:34):
Wonderful What I wanted to know on that you said,
the uh, the spread for fineness is like zero to
four mm.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Hmm, yeah, and you'll live on the bag. Zero zero
is more coarse than four. Four is the finest, the
more zero, the finer, the steel wool.

Speaker 7 (13:56):
Great, oh great, this is just this is awesome, awesome
for me and I just thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (14:03):
Dean.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's great and you are very welcome. Thank you for
listening to the show. Thanks for being up with me
on a Saturday morning.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
Absolutely, Hello to Tina.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
All right, you have fun with those cabinets, all right, y'all.
More of your calls when we return. The number to
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(14:39):
AM six forty Live, Dreaming and HD everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. Dean Sharp, the House Whisperer with you live
here on this lovely Saturday morning. Is it the twelfth?
Today is the twelfth of April, is it not? Yes,
it is first day of first evening of Passover. Tonight.
By the way, for those of you who need to know,

(15:01):
there you go. It's going to be a lovely, lovely weekend.
As far as I know, we're still in the mid
seventies today, right, yeah, today and tomorrow and then we're
dropping back into the sixties here in southern California.

Speaker 8 (15:15):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Spring has sprung too many good things to say about it.
Tina and I are going to buy some chickens this morning,
some chicks, little chicks. It's chick Day with Olivia, our
grand Anyway, more on that in a bit, but right now,
I want to go back to the phones. It is
an all calls Saturday morning with us, and we've got
some calls on the board. We still have room for you,

(15:37):
by the way, eight three three two, ask Dean, eight
three three the numeral two. Ask Dean. Let's talk to Sandy. Hey, Sandy,
welcome home.

Speaker 9 (15:49):
Hey, how you doing this morning? Sounds like it's a
good day so far? Right if so far?

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Nothing nothing in the way, so far. Just woke up.
The crickets were cricks, creaking, creaking, chirping, surfing. It is,
you know what early spring mornings in southern California. I
think probably everywhere early spring morning. It just feels like
like the air just took a like a hot shower

(16:16):
and taking a bed like scrubbed itself clean and smells
like I mean, it's just wow. The air is so fresh,
it's unbelievable. I'm going to spend as much time outside
today as possible. Anyway, Sandy, how can I help you?

Speaker 9 (16:30):
Well? Eighteen years ago, when I moved into my condo,
I gutted the kitchen, which was a good thing because
trust me, it needed it. So it was down to
bare walls, and they, they, because I didn't personally do it,
did a great job of putting it back together with
the way I wanted it. At the time, I did

(16:51):
not have a kitchen aid mixer. Subsequently, a few years ago,
I saw on some programs where there was this contraption
that fits in a cabinet so that when you open
the cabinet door, this contraption comes up, either with or

(17:12):
without the kitchen aid on it and creates its own stand,
but then puts it all away when you close the
cabinet door. Again, what do you call the silly thing?
I want to be able to buy one and put
it in.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
You know, it's a thing of a jig what you
call it thing? That's what? No, No, it's it is. Okay,
it is a here's what you need to find. You're
going to find it instantly. Our favorite version is made
by rev A Shelf, r e V Dash a Dass

(17:48):
Dash Shelf, Reva Shelf. They are one of the most dependable, reliable,
best made cabinet hardware companies for aftermarket products especially, but
even for custom stuff. If I was just talking to
John Cordero about this last show, this last Sunday show
in our kitchen cabinet show Reva shelf, and it is

(18:11):
the technical term is it is a mixer or appliance lift. Okay,
So if you put in Revas shelf mixer lift, you're
gonna you're gonna hit that. There will deal be all
over the place. You'll see them everywhere. Okay. Home Depot
sells them. You can buy them on Amazon, you know.

Speaker 8 (18:29):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
The only trick is understand this that that this goes
in a cabinet base cabinet that doesn't have a drawer
at the top. Okay, And it doesn't mean that it can't.
I don't think I think some of them can fit
in a lower if it's a really small drawer. But
if you want the shelf to the lift to come
up to countertop level and lock in place, then then

(18:52):
it's a base cabinet that has a door and no
no drawer, and that can be altered too, especially if
you have frameless cabinets, you could you could alter a
cabinet for that. But yes, the mixer sits on this
shelf and you open the cabinet door and you just
grab the lever there and up it comes. You never
move the mixer, you never have to. It locks in place,

(19:14):
and when you're done, you hit the little tab and
unlock it and boom, spring loaded. It just slowly and
gently finds its way back into the cabinet. You shut
the door and walk away, And that is a mixer left.

Speaker 9 (19:28):
Sounds awesome. Do you have any idea how much they
would retail for?

Speaker 8 (19:34):
They?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Uh, okay, I'm thinking they are in the low two hundreds.
I think that you can probably find them for you know,
two twenty two forty something like that out there.

Speaker 8 (19:49):
Awesome, awesome, awesome.

Speaker 9 (19:52):
It's about time when you know, eighteen years later that
I put a new face on my kitchen. And that's
one of the things I want to do to it.
So thank you very very much and have a great
rest of your days.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Sandy, you two, thanks for calling. I love your energy.
Get out there and make a great day out of it.
All right, y'all, more of your calls when we return
your home with Dean Sharp the House Whisper. Heyfi, Dean Sharp,
the House Whisper. Welcome home. Thanks for joining us here
on the program. It's a beautiful, beautiful Saturday spring morning

(20:29):
here in southern California. I hope wherever you are, the
weather is treating you well and you're ready to take
on the day because you know what it's today. Today
is the day that we've got to take it on.
So let's step into it and make the most of it.
We're making the most of it this morning because it's
an all calls morning. The number to reach me eight

(20:50):
three three two Ask Dean eight three three the numeral
to ask Dean. We're doing this more and more on
Saturday mornings. It's just it seems like just a really
good fit, a great way to start the weekend. I
know it is for me having conversations with you about
your home and helping you through. So let's go back
to the phones. I want to talk to Andrea. Is

(21:11):
it Andrea or Andrea?

Speaker 8 (21:13):
It's Andrea, Andrea, good morning, Good morning. I envy that
you can have chickens. I would love to have chickens again,
Alas it's not allowed where I live.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I'm sorry. Yeah they are, they're the best. And we've
got some old girls here, literally, some old girls, some freeloaders,
really curran laying eggs anymore. They're just eat my food.
But yeah, I think we're gonna pick up is it?
How many were going forward?

Speaker 8 (21:42):
Tina?

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Nine? She's like, I want nine new chicks, and we have.
We've built our henhouse so that we can divide up
the two groups and we can let the little ones
grow up safely without being pecked by the older girls
until they get until they get old enough to stand
up for themselves. So it's going to be fun.

Speaker 8 (22:03):
That sounds like fun. That's I hope you name them all?

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Oh, we do. We do. We give all of our
chickens old lady names all old lady. I don't know why,
but it just seems appropriate. So Tina's got a whole list.
We'll be ready to go. How can I help you
By the way, thanks for talking to me about my chickens.
It's always potential love chicckens.

Speaker 8 (22:25):
I'm always so jealous when I hear because I used
to have chickens a long time ago. Anyway, I live
in a tract of connected homes that were built in
nineteen sixty four on top of a hill, a tall hill,
overlooking the ocean, and I'm not right on the ocean,

(22:47):
but it's a mile away and it's a beautiful view.
But unfortunately, the way people used to set things up,
there's two bathrooms that are connected and they're right in
the middle of the view. So the room on one
side of the bathroom has a gorgeous view, and my
bedroom on the other side of the master bathroom has

(23:10):
a gorgeous view. But these bathrooms are blocking a gorgeous view,
and a lot of people over the years have taken
It's an atrium that was originally built around these two bathrooms,
so you had like a little garden to look at.
But I want to see the view, but I don't

(23:31):
want to put a wall up and a window. I
have a bathtub which I spent a lot of time
in and I'd like to be able to look at
the ocean. And so I've over the years I've been
here for almost thirty years, has thought about solutions and

(23:51):
it needs to be some sort of a sense. I
would guess that would have louvers, like vertical lovers made
out of metal. And I noticed that a lot of
restaurants have these roofs that look like that, and I've
looked it up and they're enormously expensive. And you know,

(24:15):
I can't afford to spend twenty thousand dollars on a
twenty foot of cents. So I've thought of other solutions,
like maybe two you know, a metal fence fixed that
has a flat, you know, an opening space, and then

(24:36):
put another fence next to it, and if you move
it over two inches, the one will cover the empty
flat of the other. Get what I mean? Yeah, Yeah,
Like you could have them pass each other, only one
would be fixed.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Ye Are you trying to go for privacy and view
at the same time or security and view at the
same time?

Speaker 8 (25:01):
Privacy, privacy and view. So and I also live in
a very fire high fire danger, so I can't really
use wood and it is time to take the old
wooden fence that's around there now down because of all
the fire issues that we've got, So it would preferably

(25:23):
be some sort of metal or something that doesn't burn.
I don't know what else that would be, right, So
I've also thought about putting a screen or we get
wind and you know what.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Do you think, well, you know, not being there to
kind of I'm trying to visualize it so that you
can capture the angle of the view but still have
privacy from other angles. Is that is that kind of
the gist of it, And that's why you're thinking of
the slats, the angled slats, right, But it.

Speaker 8 (25:54):
Would have to be something that can either be tilted
to close because as on the other side of this
fence is part of my yard and so there's times
when there might be people walking out there, you know,
or a gardener walking by, that kind of thing, So
I have to be able to close it off.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, And I thought too about like
putting up a metal fence that would have that has
a gap, you know, gap so that you.

Speaker 8 (26:34):
Generally see the view, and then maybe have some sort
of roller shade that would come down. I don't just
can't imagine how pretty that would be from the inside
of the bathroom though, because you know, that just doesn't
sound very appealing.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, you know what, it's difficult for me to imagine
exactly what all of your options are. But I like
because most people, well most people are not you know,
and you know this, that's why you've been trying to
scratching your head at this for thirty years. Most people,
you know, a fence is either a privacy fence or
it's not one or the other. Uh, it's either a

(27:14):
it's either security or it's not, and to get both
from time to time. You know which way to go,
and you don't want to do it out of wood.
So I don't know how to Okay, I don't know
how to save you the cost of that, other than
to tell you that there are there are woods that
you can treat with fire retardant, fire resistant paints that

(27:38):
that would lower the cost of the fence itself and
not worry you so much about fire damage or you know,
or or fire encouragement at least. But I like the
idea of a you know, basically building a section of
fence for you that works very much like a shutter,
you know, like a like a plant can shutter or

(28:00):
blind So that you will have the freedom to kind
of spin open the slats and close them, and you
could literally build it like a shutter that is on
its side, that they're attached on a pivot top and bottom,
and have all the slats connected with a central board
that you can just grab and close off or open

(28:25):
up and get your view. I was going to say initially,
if it was just about view, then you put something
transparent up like a cable rail, so that you get
security but you can see right through it. But you're
also looking for privacy too, and that's the trick. The
idea of the sliding slats where you can block it

(28:47):
off and then open up, that's a good idea too.
I think I would just want a lot more view
out of it if I was going to all that trouble,
so I think I would be conceptualizing in my head
something that is essentially like a show on its on
its side.

Speaker 8 (29:02):
Mm hmmm. I did see that there were some mechanisms
available that where you could make your own, not that
I would do it, but I wasn't so sure the
quality might be up to snuff as opposed to these
you know, industrial type ones you see in an outdoor

(29:25):
restaurant or.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
You know that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, I mean there there is hardware out there that
can produce that, and that you could use wood for
uh to attach you just it's just going to have
to be a creative solution. And that's that's the trick.
You're looking for a really creative solution for that and
instead of pre buying it all in metal. Yeah, it's

(29:53):
a tricky It is a tricky one, Andrea, it really
is a tricky one. But I am confident that it
can be done. It's a matter of talking to the
right fence people and really expressing, hey, this is what
I'm after, or the right handy person or the right contractor,
and say what can we come up with? But I
can I can imagine some of the hardware and the

(30:13):
materials in my mind to create that for you. But
I really think that a shutter kind of system may
be the thing that you're going for there. And and
you know, building a shutter on a large fence panel scale,
it's it's it's not the hardest thing in the world.
You could use very simple hinges on the side and

(30:34):
a support system, a spin system. So that's my best
suggestion for you. My friend without standing there staring at
it and sketching you a design for it, and I'm
going to encourage you keep pursuing it. I think I
think you're onto the right idea. That's what I'm saying,
that shutter kind of system. Find the right person with

(30:57):
the right hardware to get it done. But I think
keep searching for that. Okay, I'm going to take a
look during the break here too see if I can
find anything. But I do have to go. I'm at
the top of the hour and they're yelling at me.
I Andrea, thank you for your call. I'm going to
pursue this now. It's just scratching at the back of
my head. You're Home with Dean Sharp, the House Whisperer

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