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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Jack, Welcome
to Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hello, good morning, Hi there so far, first time listener
to this radio program. It was referred to me during
a few of the podcast Los Angeles and tuning in
and so far, like in two things that I've heard
that I've been able to connect to you. One is
kind of the outside perimeter of what the church has
looked like versus the inside activity and behaviors when they're
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leaving there and away from there. And I'm finding myself
in a really good relationship at one point that had
just some very deep friendship and a very long laughing
life with a pregnancy. Even though unmarried and in a
religious difference, there was still a very common ground there.
And now that it's getting closer to first, just kind
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of wondering maybe an approach to have a religious and
non religious parents for weekend activity or daily activity with
church versus maybe working on a project at the house.
Both kind of have the same ending and meaning in life.
But I don't want to push my ground and I
don't think the other thing that she would want to
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for sure stan making somebody do this than that, So sure.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
This becomes difficult. So I'm assuming you're the one that's not.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I grew up in a very religious background. I understand
a lot of the you know, just a lot of
Christianity that around it. My mom and family are still
very involved in the church at a very advanced level,
and so that part of it I get. And I
see them do it more as an individual versus a group.
And when I go into the group setting, maybe I
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don't get. I just don't get out of it. I
do as an individual.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, what what?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
What?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Why do you think that is? Do you like any
other group activities?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
There's just uh, you know, work activities and old personal
hobbies that I like to do with a golf group
or a tennis group, or just even a project hobby
with some friends and their kids, making little burthouses or
something on the weekend. It just.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Like working with your hands, apparently. But why do you
think it's different when you're in a church.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Maybe because I see a lot, I hear all the
great ways of life, but I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Okay, Well, think of it this way.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
If you're in a garage and they're going to talk
about all the you know, great types of cars, and
how wonderful cars are everything, But every car in that
garage is being worked, so you're not going to see
the cars really souped up.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Necessarily until they leave.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So okay, So.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It's kind of maybe expectations are part of the problem there.
And what what the function of the church is. I
think perception is very important. And when you go in
thinking it's going to be one thing, yeah, it churches
is a turn off many times. Anyways, it just is
it's a really hard concept to swallow when you've got
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some imperfect guy or gal standing from the pulpit preaching
or teaching something, and all you can think and all
people do is kind of reflect off of this person
and say, ah, either they've got issues, or this person
next to me has issues and I'm not like that,
or this just seems phonny up here comes the hat again.
Now I gotta throw more money in here, and they're
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gonna tell me twenty minutes as to why I need
to put money in here, and all that. I get
that there's a lot of the crust of the experience
that isn't so wonderful. However, you get through that, there's
a lot of things that have that experience that you
blow through to get to the good. Whether it's going
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out to eat, whether it's going to an amusement park,
whether I mean you could go ah the parking or
all the lines, whether but you get through it because
there's a benefit or a payoff there, and I would
hate for you to miss the benefit of the payoff
just because of the.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
The barnacles of the experience.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I see the benefit of what we're doing with our kid,
and I just want to make sure that there's a
neutral approach to it and from just myself to respect
that because maybe I don't go, or I wouldn't go
every every Sunday, Like now I'm starting to see this
happening versus it never was a part of the relationship
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and now maybe so I still want to respect that,
but at the same time, I want to just kind
of keep my individual approach to it on a on
a Sunday afternoon and do something. I just want to
make sure that that's still good and should that be
respected from the religious side too, to see that what
I'm doing has same impact with our child as going
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to church every Sunday. Well, there's nothing from the religious
sides of the.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Sure, Yeah, there's all kinds of ways. Don't don't get
stuck into just the building with your pretty windows. That's
not the point. It's not just about that structure.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
There. There's more to it. Now.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I don't like hearing the term neutral when it comes
to raising the child. When you have to find neutral
ground in this sense, it.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Really is neutral.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Is is like in a car, since we're on car
analogies for some reason today, it's not You're not going
to move forward or backward really unless the you're on
a hill or something like that. And I don't think
it's fair to the child when you get to a
place where you really are wishy washy on things to
try and make everybody happy. I think you make a decision,
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the two of you as parents on how you're going
to raise this kid, and if if you're going to
raise them without God, then rais the without God. If
you're going to raise them with God, raise them with God.
But a kind of neutral, weird kind of I'd rather
be home but building, you know, a birdhouse, than actually
working on his spiritual life or or the life or
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the child.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yes, no, yeah, yeah, you're right. The kid will be
raised with God. And I'm fine with that. I just
would think that on the mandating Christian side that there
would be a respect for maybe just let's go somewhere
for a family for a day and not no breakfast, no,
and race off to a religious group. Maybe we can
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have a day of independence with the family with the
same godly meaning.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yes, it's possible. I hear it in your voice. You
want to do everything you can to stay out of
that church. I understand that.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, because I see a church on the beach. I
see a group of fifty guts two people on the beach,
and I think that's a great spiritual way to go
learn about God.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
It absolutely can, it absolutely can. But don't fall into
the sphere. No, that's not a You can worship God
any way you see fit. You really can, and there
is a lot of leeway in scripture as to how
you worship, even which day you worship and all of
those things. However, it's like anything else, why are you
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doing it? And if you can really ask yourself that
question honestly and answer it honestly, then you'll find you
know as to what you're looking for. If you're just
looking for a church that's like less structured and that
doesn't have a lot of the you know, the stuff
you don't like. Fine, But if you're looking for a
church that you don't participate in, that you don't actually
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give money to, that you don't be a part of
in the sense of being part of the community, then
it's not a church. It's a group of people kind
of coming together. Maybe at best it's a Bible study.
And that's a different experience, just like you living on
it in a neighborhood is different than you living in
a house that's next to other houses. If you're not
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participating with your neighbors, you're not connecting with them. They
don't know who you are, you don't know who they are.
That's not a neighborhood. It's a house next to other houses. Okay,
So if you if you want to engage.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
A very there's a very good family here, and there
is a great neighborhood and it's a great upbringing for
the kid, and we both want the same things for
this kid.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
But you understand the analogy.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
No, I understand the analogy.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Okay, because if you don't get lost in just a
go somewhere that seems spiritual. Because I find that people
that really want to get away from so called organized religion,
just don't want the accountability. And if that's the case,
then it misses, it brushes past everything of value in
the church.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well that's where i'm a little bit of because I'm
finding myself maybe making a mistake and then holding myself
accountable for it. But on on the other side of it,
I'm seeing her and she's a many mistakes but not
making that attempt. And I'm just kind of on a
very patient ground right now.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It's tough, isn't it when you not when you don't
see eye to eye spiritually, it's really tough to have
a child. You can ever without a child, everything's peachy keen,
but the minute you put a child into the equation,
it changes everything. And nobody listens to me when I tell.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Them that, no, it's it's a thing. It wasn't It
was never an issue in our relationship. It was very
well respected.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And but now you're gambling with your child.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, now it's just different, and the religion thing isn't
really so much of the issue. Well it is, but
at the same time, there's the accountability of just being
honest and the friends that we were in the relationship
when we find ourselves in mistake mode, and that's where
I'm just you'll find it.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Well, there's just more at stake right now, Jack, And
in that process, you're gonna everyone's going to be holding
onto their own You're a smart guy, and you're an
honest guy.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You're going to find the right thing.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Just be balanced and be aware of why you're doing
what you're doing and why you're not doing what you
don't want to do, and be honest with yourself first
and then with each other.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Alfonso, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I just want to start with saying I'm a loyal
listener and I really love your show every weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate it absolutely.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I've been curious about something and I and I wanted
to call and ask about the significance of the head coverings.
Uh sometimes uh uh you know some religions where the
where the you know, the women cover their heads and
they they they don't and or or some other religions
where they where they were the the Yamica, and and
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then in occasions they don't. And and I've seen h
you know, other the bishops on a TV interview he
had a read one on and you know, I just
kind of I was, you know, very curious about that,
and I knew you were the perfect one to call
and ask, well.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I appreciate that the head coverings, and we'll focus on
Christianity just because that's the purpose of the program. But
to broaden it, they all kind of go back to
the same place. It's a sign of respect. It's a
sign of respect and humility before God. So as far
as if you read First Corinthians eleven and you went
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through it, I know a lot of people will read
this and go, oh my gosh, that's you know, the
women have to wear head coverings. This is obviously to
make women lesser. No, no, it's actually quite beautiful. And
if you read on, it's not about an equality thing,
but about a structure thing and an importance to show
that there that the people of God.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Were submissive towards God.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
And really a lot of things that were done early
on were done to separate our Jewish brothers and sisters,
and therefore early Christians from looking like pagans. The pagan
prostitutes would shave their heads and things like that. So
Christian women early in the early Christian Church would wear
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head coverings to separate themselves from looking like the prostitutes.
That's kind of focus on what the base of it is.
Always about respect, always about giving glory to God and humility. Linda,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi there, how many
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I help you?
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (12:35):
So basically my question is okay, So basically my question
is I don't understand how you're supposed to. I guess
interpret the Bible or read it basically, like you know,
because I've heard a lot of it has to do
with symbolism, Like a lot of the stories and a
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lot of the verses and stuff are symbolized. And basically
my question is, are you supposed to read the Bible
at space value or just to take it at face
value and interpret every single word exactly for what it says,
or are you supposed to symbolize everything?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Well?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
No, in the if you made everything a symbol, it
really doesn't mean anything. It takes the weight of the
entirety of the weight out of scripture. I'll tell you
it's quite easy, really, And here's a good trick for
you to use should you want to study scripture. Scripture
is very clear about explaining when something's a dream. It's
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very clear when something's a story. Every time that I
tell a story, I start by saying, I'm going to
tell you a story, or here's a parable. If if
that's not being done, then the assumption it would be
correct to assume that it's to be taken literally. Now,
not everything in the Bible is true. It's just true
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that it was said and therefore put in the Bible.
So for instance, if the devil himself said there is
no God, but he was saying it on the Mount
of Olives or something in front of people or next
to me, for instance, he's standing next to Christ and
he says it, it might get in scripture, but it
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doesn't mean that it's true. So not everything is prescriptive
or prescribed, and it's important to see that. Sometimes scripture
is just describing something that took place, and this took
place and you should know about it, and the verse versus,
like the Ten Commandments are prescriptive saying you should do
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these things or you should not do these things, and
that they're two different ways. So there's many important parts
of scripture, and any work of antiquity quite honestly. For instance,
if you looked at Shakespeare, Shakespeare talks about some things
that are true, some things that took place, but it's
all fiction. It's all written as theater, but doesn't mean
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he didn't use real characters and things like that. Now,
in scripture, it's a historic account from the eyes of
many of what went on in certain times and then
put together because of the fact that they have similar
content and a similar conclusion and similar purpose. But to
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take something literal when Christ himself says and here is
a parable would be silly. But it'd be equally as
silly to make something where he doesn't say, this as
a story and it's not a parable, and to take
that and make it just, well, I'm gonna interpret interpret
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it as a story because that's not the way it's said.
So in that in those context, it's important to understand
what is being said and why it's being said, and
what the seating of the discussion is. In scripture, you
read before it, you read after it, and you get
a feel for it. And in doing that, I think
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you get a better idea of what scripture is. It's like,
not just should it be interpreted literally or symbolically. That's
not fair. That doesn't make any sense. Not everything in
it is literal, maybe literal that they said it, or
maybe literal that it was written down, but it's it's
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not literal when I when I say in scripture it
is easier to get a camel through the eye of
a needle than it is to get a rich man
into heaven. That's absurdity, that's just that's trying to be
that's actually being sarcastic. You can't get a camel through
the eye of a needle.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And there are many.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Who have believed, Oh, well, those are gates at the
front of the city that were very small and when
they shut the big gates later at night, if you
had if you were traveling and had to come in,
you had to come by way these small gates they
called the eye of the needle. None of that has
been confirmed, even though I've seen it in encyclopedia as before,
and they've been wrong. So it really was trying to
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fit a camel through the eye of a needle, which
is impossible. Yet you know, it's not impossible to get
a rich person into heaven, So that wasn't being literal.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
The illustration was that.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It's it's quite difficult because people end up worshiping money
and end up focusing on that and losing sight of
the things that are important and real in their lives.
So scripture, yes, and many parts should be taken literally.
When it says thou shalt not murder, it means thou
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shold I'll not take the life of the innocent.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Period.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
It's not a story or anything like that, thankfully, because
those Ten Commandments were pretty much built into the very
laws that you enjoy in these United States. So having
an understanding of those things and knowing when it's different
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in scripture is important when it's just describing something. It's
important to know that when it's prescribing something you should
do this or you should not do that. That's important,
and know where it falls into context and what is
trying to be said. But absolutely it is in there,
and there's no reason to take it and entirely symbolically
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because that doesn't make sense either. And there's also times
that I confirm things that I would talk about them too,
not saying, hey, you remember that story, but go into
it as if it was history that was taught, whether
it be Adam and Eve or things like that, and
they get they got prominence as well. Sharon, Welcome to
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the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
How can I help you?
Speaker 5 (19:25):
My neighbor and I were having a discussion. My husband
died forty four years ago. Her husband died four years ago. Yes,
we both were holding their hands. One day.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Left us.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I watched my husband for seven hours while watched his eyes,
I watched his mouth, everything to see if I because
I knew he was leaving and I wanted to see
if there was something different going to happen. It didn't.
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So neither one of us and probably millions more would
like to know when when the life goes out of
the person, does their soul go to heaven? And when
the Bible says that at the end God will raise
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everyone up if their souls are already in heaven, does
that mean He's going to raise their their bodies out
of those.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Out of that coffin.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Well, there's I would like to focus on on the
heaven part, because it's most important to somebody who has
passed and put and point towards some of those things.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
But there's no need for the body as a vessel.
It's ashes, dashes, dust, to dust. That's a carrier.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
And so the focus should be on what scripture says
about the passing of someone. And in Hebrews Hebrews, chapter nine,
verse twenty seven, it says, and inasmuch as it is
appointed for man to die once and after this comes judgment,
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very very simple.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Well.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Second Corinthians five eight also says to be absent from
the body is to be present with the Lord. So yes,
to the god fearing person, to the believer, there with God.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
They immediately go with God.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
That's good, Yeah, I would think so I would tend
to agree.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Sounds like a great yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
No need to stop, no need to get Anderson's pea soup,
no need to go on a long drive anywhere, get gas,
get snacks.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Nothing.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
And I want to know my husband's and I mean
his soul is him?
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Oh absolutely, and he is with God's.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
That's all I care about.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
What a beautiful statement. In Second Corinthians five eight, to
be absent from the body is to be present with
the Lord.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Okay, you've answer my question.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Excellent, Well then you go in peace. You are very
very welcome. And that gets confusing and scary.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
And the concept as to what's going on, and a
lot of it gets kind of complicated theological, and that's
of interest to some, but some people just need that
simple verse to move them along that way and to
go into peace. When sometimes that hits in such a
way that it's like, well, what's going on and what
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is happening? The end time stuff and the raising of
the it gets into a whole muddy mess of stuff
that I prefer we talk about it from time to time,
but on a case like this, to prefer to focus
on the simplicity of that truth, because I think it's
an important one and also one that is kind of
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overlooked in all the you know, the many versions of
well this is what happens, and this is what happens,
and just stick with that beauty. To be absent from
the body is to be present with the Lord. Wendy,
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Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Jesus, thank you, You're my Lord and Savior. And I
praise your holy name.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Oh praise God, thanks for calling.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
I was raised in a conservative Southern Baptist church and
I still hold those values and belief and it's regarding music.
I'm a musician. I love all types of music. I
love opera, classical, I love what's that ghetto rap? I
love every type of music, every type of music that
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there is. But I believe that there's maybe more okay,
well being being raised with the hymns, the old hymns
like great is Thy faithfulness? And when the when the
role is called, there's a different vibrational frequency. That is,
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I don't know, place stuff on your soul. I can't
see you.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
See now you're getting into metaphysics, and that might be
a problem too.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Well, Okay, Let's say somebody has has like sexual sin okay,
and they go to a striper bar and they watch
those girls on the pole. If there was opera playing
or hymns, I don't think that they would be into it,
because I think it's I listen to me for a second.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I don't think they'd care.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
Who's they Those.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
That are in the strip joint, they're not going there
to see naked women and some cool jams. They're going
there to see naked women. The association between certain music
and certain vibes, Yes, of course, there are certain things
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that you have to be in the mood for. There
is no evil music, there are evil words, there's evil intent,
but there is not one. Okay, let's uh, maybe an
e minor is a little dark, but there's no there's
no such thing as an evil note.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Okay, well wait, wait what about like Highway to Hell?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Okay, that's that's a lyric. That's a lyric.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
And I will tell you this, I'll go even a
little further with you that if you put the actual
contents of scripture into lyrics, with the beast reality and
the rape and the multiple partners, you wouldn't be able
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to listen to it then either, even though it's straight
out of the Bible. The Bible, i will tell you,
is the filthiest, most violent book that you will come across.
It's not prescriptive that way. It's describing that these things
took place.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
So then we have to look at scripture the same way,
or outside of scripture the same way. Any music, is
it being prescriptive or is it describing something? We play
a lot of secular music on the show for that
very reason, because a lot of it is describing how
they believe, either Christians believe, or the confusion they have
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in life, or the frustrations they have in life.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And that's Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Now, if it's telling you to go out and commit
a sacrifice, if it's telling you go out and take
a life, if it's telling you to go out and
do these things, then yes there's a problem. If it's
describing them, you have to have the sense of an
old cow and eat the hay and leave the sticks.
That's the key in life altogether. Just because you don't
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like something doesn't make it evil. I know Christians have
gotten to a place where where they're very comfortable in letting,
in putting their stamp of disapproval on everything. But I
assure you, as they point to all these movies and songs,
that the scripture is at the top of the list
on what you wouldn't want to see and wouldn't want
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to hear about if it was accurate in a song
or in a movie.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hello, good morning, Hi there so far, first time listener
to this radio program. It was referred to me during
a few of the podcast Los Angeles and tuning in
and so far, like in two things that I've heard
that I've been able to connect to you. One is
kind of the outside perimeter of what the church has
looked like versus the inside activity and behaviors when they're
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leaving there and away from there. And I'm finding myself
in a really good relationship at one point that had
just some very deep friendship and a very long laughing
life with a pregnancy. Even though unmarried and in a
religious difference, there was still a very common ground there.
And now that it's getting closer to first, just kind
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of wondering maybe an approach to have a religious and
non religious parents for weekend activity or daily activity with
church versus maybe working on a project at the house.
Both kind of have the same ending and meaning in life.
But I don't want to push my ground and I
don't think the other thing that she would want to
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for sure stan making somebody do this than that, So sure.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
This becomes difficult. So I'm assuming you're the one that's not.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I grew up in a very religious background. I understand
a lot of the you know, just a lot of
Christianity that around it. My mom and family are still
very involved in the church at a very advanced level,
and so that part of it I get. And I
see them do it more as an individual versus a group.
And when I go into the group setting, maybe I
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don't get. I just don't get out of it. I
do as an individual.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, what what?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
What?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Why do you think that is? Do you like any
other group activities?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
There's just uh, you know, work activities and old personal
hobbies that I like to do with a golf group
or a tennis group, or just even a project hobby
with some friends and their kids, making little burthouses or
something on the weekend. It just.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Like working with your hands, apparently. But why do you
think it's different when you're in a church.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Maybe because I see a lot, I hear all the
great ways of life, but I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Okay, Well, think of it this way.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
If you're in a garage and they're going to talk
about all the you know, great types of cars, and
how wonderful cars are everything, But every car in that
garage is being worked, so you're not going to see
the cars really souped up.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Necessarily until they leave.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So okay, So.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It's kind of maybe expectations are part of the problem there.
And what what the function of the church is. I
think perception is very important. And when you go in
thinking it's going to be one thing, yeah, it churches
is a turn off many times. Anyways, it just is
it's a really hard concept to swallow when you've got
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some imperfect guy or gal standing from the pulpit preaching
or teaching something, and all you can think and all
people do is kind of reflect off of this person
and say, ah, either they've got issues, or this person
next to me has issues and I'm not like that,
or this just seems phonny up here comes the hat again.
Now I gotta throw more money in here, and they're
(03:37):
gonna tell me twenty minutes as to why I need
to put money in here, and all that. I get
that there's a lot of the crust of the experience
that isn't so wonderful. However, you get through that, there's
a lot of things that have that experience that you
blow through to get to the good. Whether it's going
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out to eat, whether it's going to an amusement park,
whether I mean you could go ah the parking or
all the lines, whether but you get through it because
there's a benefit or a payoff there, and I would
hate for you to miss the benefit of the payoff
just because of the.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
The barnacles of the experience.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I see the benefit of what we're doing with our kid,
and I just want to make sure that there's a
neutral approach to it and from just myself to respect
that because maybe I don't go, or I wouldn't go
every every Sunday, Like now I'm starting to see this
happening versus it never was a part of the relationship
(04:42):
and now maybe so I still want to respect that,
but at the same time, I want to just kind
of keep my individual approach to it on a on
a Sunday afternoon and do something. I just want to
make sure that that's still good and should that be
respected from the religious side too, to see that what
I'm doing has same impact with our child as going
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to church every Sunday. Well, there's nothing from the religious
sides of the.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Sure, Yeah, there's all kinds of ways. Don't don't get
stuck into just the building with your pretty windows. That's
not the point. It's not just about that structure.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
There. There's more to it. Now.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I don't like hearing the term neutral when it comes
to raising the child. When you have to find neutral
ground in this sense, it.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Really is neutral.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Is is like in a car, since we're on car
analogies for some reason today, it's not You're not going
to move forward or backward really unless the you're on
a hill or something like that. And I don't think
it's fair to the child when you get to a
place where you really are wishy washy on things to
try and make everybody happy. I think you make a decision,
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the two of you as parents on how you're going
to raise this kid, and if if you're going to
raise them without God, then rais the without God. If
you're going to raise them with God, raise them with God.
But a kind of neutral, weird kind of I'd rather
be home but building, you know, a birdhouse, than actually
working on his spiritual life or or the life or
(06:18):
the child.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yes, no, yeah, yeah, you're right. The kid will be
raised with God. And I'm fine with that. I just
would think that on the mandating Christian side that there
would be a respect for maybe just let's go somewhere
for a family for a day and not no breakfast, no,
and race off to a religious group. Maybe we can
(06:43):
have a day of independence with the family with the
same godly meaning.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yes, it's possible. I hear it in your voice. You
want to do everything you can to stay out of
that church. I understand that.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, because I see a church on the beach. I
see a group of fifty guts two people on the beach,
and I think that's a great spiritual way to go
learn about God.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
It absolutely can, it absolutely can. But don't fall into
the sphere. No, that's not a You can worship God
any way you see fit. You really can, and there
is a lot of leeway in scripture as to how
you worship, even which day you worship and all of
those things. However, it's like anything else, why are you
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doing it? And if you can really ask yourself that
question honestly and answer it honestly, then you'll find you
know as to what you're looking for. If you're just
looking for a church that's like less structured and that
doesn't have a lot of the you know, the stuff
you don't like. Fine, But if you're looking for a
church that you don't participate in, that you don't actually
(07:50):
give money to, that you don't be a part of
in the sense of being part of the community, then
it's not a church. It's a group of people kind
of coming together. Maybe at best it's a Bible study.
And that's a different experience, just like you living on
it in a neighborhood is different than you living in
a house that's next to other houses. If you're not
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participating with your neighbors, you're not connecting with them. They
don't know who you are, you don't know who they are.
That's not a neighborhood. It's a house next to other houses. Okay,
So if you if you want to engage.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
A very there's a very good family here, and there
is a great neighborhood and it's a great upbringing for
the kid, and we both want the same things for
this kid.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
But you understand the analogy.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
No, I understand the analogy.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Okay, because if you don't get lost in just a
go somewhere that seems spiritual. Because I find that people
that really want to get away from so called organized religion,
just don't want the accountability. And if that's the case,
then it misses, it brushes past everything of value in
the church.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well that's where i'm a little bit of because I'm
finding myself maybe making a mistake and then holding myself
accountable for it. But on on the other side of it,
I'm seeing her and she's a many mistakes but not
making that attempt. And I'm just kind of on a
very patient ground right now.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It's tough, isn't it when you not when you don't
see eye to eye spiritually, it's really tough to have
a child. You can ever without a child, everything's peachy keen,
but the minute you put a child into the equation,
it changes everything. And nobody listens to me when I tell.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Them that, no, it's it's a thing. It wasn't It
was never an issue in our relationship. It was very
well respected.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And but now you're gambling with your child.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, now it's just different, and the religion thing isn't
really so much of the issue. Well it is, but
at the same time, there's the accountability of just being
honest and the friends that we were in the relationship
when we find ourselves in mistake mode, and that's where
I'm just you'll find it.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Well, there's just more at stake right now, Jack, And
in that process, you're gonna everyone's going to be holding
onto their own You're a smart guy, and you're an
honest guy.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You're going to find the right thing.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Just be balanced and be aware of why you're doing
what you're doing and why you're not doing what you
don't want to do, and be honest with yourself first
and then with each other.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Alfonso, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I just want to start with saying I'm a loyal
listener and I really love your show every weekend.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate it absolutely.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I've been curious about something and I and I wanted
to call and ask about the significance of the head coverings.
Uh sometimes uh uh you know some religions where the
where the you know, the women cover their heads and
they they they don't and or or some other religions
where they where they were the the Yamica, and and
(10:55):
then in occasions they don't. And and I've seen h
you know, other the bishops on a TV interview he
had a read one on and you know, I just
kind of I was, you know, very curious about that,
and I knew you were the perfect one to call
and ask, well.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I appreciate that the head coverings, and we'll focus on
Christianity just because that's the purpose of the program. But
to broaden it, they all kind of go back to
the same place. It's a sign of respect. It's a
sign of respect and humility before God. So as far
as if you read First Corinthians eleven and you went
(11:31):
through it, I know a lot of people will read
this and go, oh my gosh, that's you know, the
women have to wear head coverings. This is obviously to
make women lesser. No, no, it's actually quite beautiful. And
if you read on, it's not about an equality thing,
but about a structure thing and an importance to show
that there that the people of God.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Were submissive towards God.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
And really a lot of things that were done early
on were done to separate our Jewish brothers and sisters,
and therefore early Christians from looking like pagans. The pagan
prostitutes would shave their heads and things like that. So
Christian women early in the early Christian Church would wear
(12:12):
head coverings to separate themselves from looking like the prostitutes.
That's kind of focus on what the base of it is.
Always about respect, always about giving glory to God and humility. Linda,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi there, how many
(12:33):
I help you?
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (12:35):
So basically my question is okay, So basically my question
is I don't understand how you're supposed to. I guess
interpret the Bible or read it basically, like you know,
because I've heard a lot of it has to do
with symbolism, Like a lot of the stories and a
(12:56):
lot of the verses and stuff are symbolized. And basically
my question is, are you supposed to read the Bible
at space value or just to take it at face
value and interpret every single word exactly for what it says,
or are you supposed to symbolize everything?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Well?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
No, in the if you made everything a symbol, it
really doesn't mean anything. It takes the weight of the
entirety of the weight out of scripture. I'll tell you
it's quite easy, really, And here's a good trick for
you to use should you want to study scripture. Scripture
is very clear about explaining when something's a dream. It's
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very clear when something's a story. Every time that I
tell a story, I start by saying, I'm going to
tell you a story, or here's a parable. If if
that's not being done, then the assumption it would be
correct to assume that it's to be taken literally. Now,
not everything in the Bible is true. It's just true
(14:03):
that it was said and therefore put in the Bible.
So for instance, if the devil himself said there is
no God, but he was saying it on the Mount
of Olives or something in front of people or next
to me, for instance, he's standing next to Christ and
he says it, it might get in scripture, but it
(14:24):
doesn't mean that it's true. So not everything is prescriptive
or prescribed, and it's important to see that. Sometimes scripture
is just describing something that took place, and this took
place and you should know about it, and the verse versus,
like the Ten Commandments are prescriptive saying you should do
(14:46):
these things or you should not do these things, and
that they're two different ways. So there's many important parts
of scripture, and any work of antiquity quite honestly. For instance,
if you looked at Shakespeare, Shakespeare talks about some things
that are true, some things that took place, but it's
all fiction. It's all written as theater, but doesn't mean
(15:12):
he didn't use real characters and things like that. Now,
in scripture, it's a historic account from the eyes of
many of what went on in certain times and then
put together because of the fact that they have similar
content and a similar conclusion and similar purpose. But to
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take something literal when Christ himself says and here is
a parable would be silly. But it'd be equally as
silly to make something where he doesn't say, this as
a story and it's not a parable, and to take
that and make it just, well, I'm gonna interpret interpret
(15:57):
it as a story because that's not the way it's said.
So in that in those context, it's important to understand
what is being said and why it's being said, and
what the seating of the discussion is. In scripture, you
read before it, you read after it, and you get
a feel for it. And in doing that, I think
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you get a better idea of what scripture is. It's like,
not just should it be interpreted literally or symbolically. That's
not fair. That doesn't make any sense. Not everything in
it is literal, maybe literal that they said it, or
maybe literal that it was written down, but it's it's
(16:40):
not literal when I when I say in scripture it
is easier to get a camel through the eye of
a needle than it is to get a rich man
into heaven. That's absurdity, that's just that's trying to be
that's actually being sarcastic. You can't get a camel through
the eye of a needle.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And there are many.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Who have believed, Oh, well, those are gates at the
front of the city that were very small and when
they shut the big gates later at night, if you
had if you were traveling and had to come in,
you had to come by way these small gates they
called the eye of the needle. None of that has
been confirmed, even though I've seen it in encyclopedia as before,
and they've been wrong. So it really was trying to
(17:24):
fit a camel through the eye of a needle, which
is impossible. Yet you know, it's not impossible to get
a rich person into heaven, So that wasn't being literal.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
The illustration was that.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It's it's quite difficult because people end up worshiping money
and end up focusing on that and losing sight of
the things that are important and real in their lives.
So scripture, yes, and many parts should be taken literally.
When it says thou shalt not murder, it means thou
(17:59):
shold I'll not take the life of the innocent.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Period.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
It's not a story or anything like that, thankfully, because
those Ten Commandments were pretty much built into the very
laws that you enjoy in these United States. So having
an understanding of those things and knowing when it's different
(18:26):
in scripture is important when it's just describing something. It's
important to know that when it's prescribing something you should
do this or you should not do that. That's important,
and know where it falls into context and what is
trying to be said. But absolutely it is in there,
and there's no reason to take it and entirely symbolically
(18:49):
because that doesn't make sense either. And there's also times
that I confirm things that I would talk about them too,
not saying, hey, you remember that story, but go into
it as if it was history that was taught, whether
it be Adam and Eve or things like that, and
they get they got prominence as well. Sharon, Welcome to
(19:17):
the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
How can I help you?
Speaker 5 (19:25):
My neighbor and I were having a discussion. My husband
died forty four years ago. Her husband died four years ago. Yes,
we both were holding their hands. One day.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Left us.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I watched my husband for seven hours while watched his eyes,
I watched his mouth, everything to see if I because
I knew he was leaving and I wanted to see
if there was something different going to happen. It didn't.
(20:05):
So neither one of us and probably millions more would
like to know when when the life goes out of
the person, does their soul go to heaven? And when
the Bible says that at the end God will raise
(20:30):
everyone up if their souls are already in heaven, does
that mean He's going to raise their their bodies out
of those.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Out of that coffin.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Well, there's I would like to focus on on the
heaven part, because it's most important to somebody who has
passed and put and point towards some of those things.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
But there's no need for the body as a vessel.
It's ashes, dashes, dust, to dust. That's a carrier.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
And so the focus should be on what scripture says
about the passing of someone. And in Hebrews Hebrews, chapter nine,
verse twenty seven, it says, and inasmuch as it is
appointed for man to die once and after this comes judgment,
(21:36):
very very simple.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Well.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Second Corinthians five eight also says to be absent from
the body is to be present with the Lord. So yes,
to the god fearing person, to the believer, there with God.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
They immediately go with God.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
That's good, Yeah, I would think so I would tend
to agree.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Sounds like a great yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
No need to stop, no need to get Anderson's pea soup,
no need to go on a long drive anywhere, get gas,
get snacks.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Nothing.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
And I want to know my husband's and I mean
his soul is him?
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Oh absolutely, and he is with God's.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
That's all I care about.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
What a beautiful statement. In Second Corinthians five eight, to
be absent from the body is to be present with
the Lord.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Okay, you've answer my question.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Excellent, Well then you go in peace. You are very
very welcome. And that gets confusing and scary.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
And the concept as to what's going on, and a
lot of it gets kind of complicated theological, and that's
of interest to some, but some people just need that
simple verse to move them along that way and to
go into peace. When sometimes that hits in such a
way that it's like, well, what's going on and what
(23:15):
is happening? The end time stuff and the raising of
the it gets into a whole muddy mess of stuff
that I prefer we talk about it from time to time,
but on a case like this, to prefer to focus
on the simplicity of that truth, because I think it's
an important one and also one that is kind of
(23:38):
overlooked in all the you know, the many versions of
well this is what happens, and this is what happens,
and just stick with that beauty. To be absent from
the body is to be present with the Lord. Wendy,
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Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Jesus, thank you, You're my Lord and Savior. And I
praise your holy name.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Oh praise God, thanks for calling.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
I was raised in a conservative Southern Baptist church and
I still hold those values and belief and it's regarding music.
I'm a musician. I love all types of music. I
love opera, classical, I love what's that ghetto rap? I
love every type of music, every type of music that
(24:35):
there is. But I believe that there's maybe more okay,
well being being raised with the hymns, the old hymns
like great is Thy faithfulness? And when the when the
role is called, there's a different vibrational frequency. That is,
(25:02):
I don't know, place stuff on your soul. I can't
see you.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
See now you're getting into metaphysics, and that might be
a problem too.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Well, Okay, Let's say somebody has has like sexual sin okay,
and they go to a striper bar and they watch
those girls on the pole. If there was opera playing
or hymns, I don't think that they would be into it,
because I think it's I listen to me for a second.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I don't think they'd care.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
Who's they Those.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
That are in the strip joint, they're not going there
to see naked women and some cool jams. They're going
there to see naked women. The association between certain music
and certain vibes, Yes, of course, there are certain things
(26:08):
that you have to be in the mood for. There
is no evil music, there are evil words, there's evil intent,
but there is not one. Okay, let's uh, maybe an
e minor is a little dark, but there's no there's
no such thing as an evil note.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Okay, well wait, wait what about like Highway to Hell?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Okay, that's that's a lyric. That's a lyric.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
And I will tell you this, I'll go even a
little further with you that if you put the actual
contents of scripture into lyrics, with the beast reality and
the rape and the multiple partners, you wouldn't be able
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to listen to it then either, even though it's straight
out of the Bible. The Bible, i will tell you,
is the filthiest, most violent book that you will come across.
It's not prescriptive that way. It's describing that these things
took place.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
So then we have to look at scripture the same way,
or outside of scripture the same way. Any music, is
it being prescriptive or is it describing something? We play
a lot of secular music on the show for that
very reason, because a lot of it is describing how
they believe, either Christians believe, or the confusion they have
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in life, or the frustrations they have in life.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And that's Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Now, if it's telling you to go out and commit
a sacrifice, if it's telling you go out and take
a life, if it's telling you to go out and
do these things, then yes there's a problem. If it's
describing them, you have to have the sense of an
old cow and eat the hay and leave the sticks.
That's the key in life altogether. Just because you don't
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like something doesn't make it evil. I know Christians have
gotten to a place where where they're very comfortable in letting,
in putting their stamp of disapproval on everything. But I
assure you, as they point to all these movies and songs,
that the scripture is at the top of the list
on what you wouldn't want to see and wouldn't want
(28:22):
to hear about if it was accurate in a song
or in a movie.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
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