Jesus Christ Show | Abusive people will they be in heaven - Hour 3 [10/13]

Abusive people will they be in heaven
iis it ok to feel lucky

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. Sandy,
Welcome to the Jesus Christia.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
My mother was really abusive to me all my life,
but I forgave her and I got so I could
understand her problems. And in fact, when she died, I
was there holding her hand, telling her everything was going
to be okay and everything. But I don't know if
she had a deathbed conversion or not. But the Bible says,

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you know, when we go to heaven, we'll all be
regathered and everything. And I don't want to be with
her will I die. I don't want to be with
her when I'm in heaven.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Do I have to be.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
With her when I'm in heaven? Am I going to
be there with her?

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Well, you don't know if she's there for one, but
for two. Scripture says there is going to be no
tears in heaven. You're not going to be thinking this way.
That's a very human, very earthly way to think about things.
It's not going to be about your interactions with other
human beings the same way as it is. Everybody thinks
of heaven as kind of well, it's just like Earth.

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But you don't get hurt or you don't die, or
you don't and that's not what it's about. It's about
having communion, about being reunited with your maker. And you're
not going to be focusing on the same things that
you focus on here on earth, and so those things
won't matter, and if they do, there's there's something wrong

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with where your heart's set now. And it doesn't mean
that I like that you forgave her for the reasons
indifferent than what some people might say, because I want
you to release it, because I don't want it to
be a burden in your life. I don't want you know,
she's the one who brought that ugliness. You don't want

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to bring ugliness on yourself by being unforgiving, so you
release that. But that doesn't mean that you, you know,
had to be buddies with her or anything. It's very
sweet that you were with her and that you were
able to have that time of peace with her prior
to her dying. But it's Heaven is not what you

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think it is. It's not that you're it's not just
one big party. You're married to me, and that's you being,
that's you going and being in heaven and being with God.
That's the important thing. It's focusing on God, not your family,
not any of those. It's it's going to be solely
to be reunited with your Maker. So it's going to

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be very different from what a lot of people expect.
The beauty of it's going to be there, but it's
going to be way way bigger, way more beautiful, and
more intense than you could possibly imagine. But the last
thing you'll be thinking about is your mother. In that context,
it sounds strange, but that's just it's not something that

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will cross your mind. It will not inhabit your brain
at all.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Heaven great, well, thank you very much, You're very welcome.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I know the fear is for for many that being
in heaven and uh, you know, going through that process
of dying and being reunited is that it's almost like,
you know, the whole concept of seeing you on the
other side or we'll hang out when I get there.

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I don't want you to be in that mentality because
that's not the purpose of heaven. It's a regathering, absolutely,
and it is a reunion of the saints, and it's
a beautiful thing, but it's not about having what you
had here there. If you get in that mentality, you

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miss the entire point of heaven. It's not just about
a place you can't die. It's not just about a
place that doesn't have burglaries, robberies and rapes. It's there's
more to it than that. It's the absence of those
things because you are in the fulfillment of hope. You're
in the presence of God, You're in the presence of

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your Maker. You're finally home being the God of creation.
And imagine if you see those wonderful pictures of servicemen hugging, kissing,
being held, service women being enraptured and wrapped up by

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family and friends, and that homecoming, that imagery of a homecoming,
and the intensity of the grasp that is I never
want to let you go because I never want you
to be gone. Is this moment that almost no one
wants to end. That is heaven. It is a homecoming

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like no other homecoming. And it's not about what happens
after the hug. It's not about what happens after that embrace,
after the weeping and the joyous embrace. Heaven is that internal,
eternal embrace forever and ever and ever. The intensity of

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that homecoming moment. So if you could imagine having that
intense moment, having your senses only focused on that moment,
and someone tell you, oh, what was the guy behind
you wearing? I don't know. I was there. I was

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in that moment. My eyes were shut tight with the
intensity of joy. Well, in heaven, you are going to
be in that long embrace with the Father that if
anyone asked you, hey, what was that beef you had
with so and so? Or the ugliness that someone did

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to you, or whatever it was, you won't know or care,
because all those things are privations. They're the absence of goodness,
the absence of the presence of God, the absence of
God's will. And now you're standing in the fullness of
God's will. Now you're standing in the fullness of God's beauty,

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embraced and loved and accepted by it. Nothing else matters,
nothing else will even compare, nothing else will hold a
candle to it or even get your attention. And I
know that they're big and important here, and those kind

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of ugly things are indelible. But the cleansing property of
heaven is far beyond anything you can imagine here, and
anything you've ever come in contact with.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
That.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
You need to trust me when I say that all
of those experiences, all of the ugliness, all of the
sadness that you've experienced on this planet, the rough times,
the injustices, they will fall by the wayside, and they
will be as ash. With no substance or no bearing

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or no lock hold on your life at all, you
will only be in contact with the fulfillment of hope.
Every ugly thing will be gone as you stand before
your maker. Jeff, Welcome to the Jesus Christia.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Hello Jesus.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
I've been trying to learn a word, but I'm not
saying the King Dreams version. I'm reading the contemporary English version, okay,
and most people are so passionate to the Kings Dreams
version is the only option.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
No, that's that's silliness. Actually, there's there's people that get
kind of it almost becomes cult like. Sometimes there are
groups that defend a particular version of scripture, and some
are better than others. And there are paraphrase bibles that
aren't great ways to study that are out that became

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kind of popular and people read them because they're kind
of flowery and they they sound more. They read more
like a motivational book than they do scripture. So that
sometimes people like that, and that's okay in context. But
if you really want to study the Word of God,
you want to you probably want to have a couple
of versions handy and and to have. And I don't

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want this to frighten you because but if you're really
going to study, to have lexicons and different things to
do word studies yourself to understand the words if you
get hung up on something. But there's great versions out there.
My producer Neil particularly likes to use the UH the
N A s B or the New American UH Bible,

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and that that New American Standard Bible is one that
he thinks is a nice, uh strong translation. Some people
like the N I V And think, I think that's great.
There's there's arguments on all sides for these different things,
but there's going to be some personal preference in it
because of the way it reads. But the the King

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James is fine, and the King James, if that's it's
a fun, you know bible to preach from because of
the you know, the Old English and stuff. But you
just it's basically going to depend on what you're trying
to do. But a couple good Bible translations are probably
good to have, and a good study Bible that shows

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you cross referencing and things like that. Nothing wrong with
the King James or the New King James or any
of these things. But the people that get so bent
out of shape that this is the only true word
of God, things like that start to make me feel
that there's a problem because it almost becomes that you're
worshiping the book rather than getting the fulfillment from the words,

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which is what is the most important thing. The words
and the context is what's most important. Nelly, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Hey, I kind of his tate to say, Hi.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Jesus, I understand.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
It's so great what you're doing. I love it.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Well, thank you, my dear. I'm glad you understand.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Okay, what I want to ask you was, does it
show any disrespect to God and Jesus to say why?
You know? Because sometimes we wonder, you know, like you
see suffering at nursing home. Sure, and you say why

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is that to be that way?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
No, of course not. You know. In scripture it says,
and we use this a lot on the program. Test
all things hold fast to that which is true and good.
And it doesn't say test all things, and it's actually
examined all things except for God and all this. No,
it says test all things. Now it doesn't say tempt

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or test your God in that sense. But no, I
don't know what people ask all the time. And first Samuel,
chapter twenty three, verse four, David went to God with
prayer and got an answer. But since it, you know,
actually meant him, you know, going and dealing with something

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that could put him in danger, putting put his men
in danger, he went back. He said, just checking, Is
this what you want me to do? And it's it's
it's a matter of checking your own understanding. It's it's
hard to see ugly things and to know ugly things exist.

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But but no, only the only reason why you know
they're ugly, The only reason why you know that something's
sinful or dark or evil is because there's beauty of God.
That's you know that that Comparing contrast, there was an
old philosopher who used to say, uh, you used to
say that you can never that the world is always

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in a state of flux, that it's always changing. But
that doesn't make sense. It sounds profound at first. But
if something was always changing, you wouldn't know what was
changing because there was nothing not changing from which you
can compare it against. It's like being in a dream.
You only know it's a dream because you wake up.
If you were always in a dream, you wouldn't know
it was a dream.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Right. Well, that's why my husband is now. He hardly
knows most of the.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Time, but you do know, and so you can see
the difference. There's a difference between the sadness and the pain,
and you know that that the only reason why that
sadness and pain is there is because you've had good
times and wonderful times and wonderful experiences, right yep. And
you kind of have to.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Sit back and lived experiences.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
So you know that's life, right exactly, and you need
to cherish those, my dear, and just and just thank
God for all of them and the understanding therein Okay, I.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Know it's not disrespect wonder but you don't want to
disrespect God.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
No, you don't turn away from God when something when
you don't see God in from in front of you,
it's because you moved from God, not God moved from you. Nelly,
Sam welcome to Jesus Christ.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
Yes, sir. Earlier you said that when when people die,
their ultimate goal is to be with God, and I
understand that, and you said that we wouldn't be with
the people in the same way that we are now
with God. And Sir, if if that's the way it is,
if I can't be with my wife like I am now,

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then I don't want to go to God. I just
want to not exist if I cannot be with my
wife for thirty years. I've told my wife that when
we die, we will sore the stars together. But if
we can't soether half I can't sore the stars with
my wife, that I don't want to see God. And
I mean that there is no existence for me without

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my wife.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Sam, that's beautiful, But then your wife is your God.
And if that's the truth, then that's what you worship,
and that's and that's beautiful. It's beautiful that you love
your wife that much. However, that's not what God is,
that's not what heaven's about, that's not what this life's about.

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And it is wonderful that you cherish your wife so much,
But if she becomes your God, then your God is
temporal and that will die too, and that love will
die because it's only based on the physical things here
and the things you want here. If you can't see
beyond that, if you can't understand sam that there's something

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more to your wife and the very thing that you
love about your wife comes from a creator, comes from
something beyond your wife, then you're going to have the
limit of that experience here. And that's it. And I
think it's beautiful. I think if it's beautiful, But if
you want to stamp your feet like a kid who's
not getting his toy, then you miss the beauty of

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life itself, which is more than your wife. The reason
why you see those things in your wife is because
of where she's created. It's not about not seeing her.
It will not be about you being married to her.
It'll be about you both being married to the creator
so far more beautiful than what you are experiencing now.

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It's the equivalent of a child saying, you know, to
an adult, I'd rather have chocolate than make love, Because
to a kid, chocolate is the most beautiful, most wonderful
experience they can have. But they're not an adult. They
don't understand the beauty of making love in marriage in
an intense situation like you do. Sam, you know what

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it's like to connect with your wife, with your woman
and become one flesh. A child doesn't. And so that
to a child, his toys are the most important thing.
And I'm saying that now, Sam, you're like that child,
and you're saying this is the most important thing. But
in the scheme of things, in the beauty of creation,
in that moment, while you are married with God, that

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you will understand your wife in a completely different way,
and she will understand you, and the beauty will be
fulfilled and you will dance in the stars. But it
won't be the way you think. It'll be beyond that,
better than anything you could choreograph and build here. So
it's not about being absent from her.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
Sam, Sure you explain it very good, but it's so
hard to understand. I know, and I can never explain
it to my wife like that. For thirty years I've
told her that we will hold the hands and we'll walk.
We'll walk with God, we will hold hand. It will
be with God. But that's not gonna be.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
It's gonna be better than that. That's your understanding, Sam,
and that's a beautiful way of saying it. And it's
not that that note is not in the song. It is.
That's just the first couple notes of the song. You
haven't even seen the whole song yet, you haven't heard it.
And if that's the way you understand it, and if
that brings you the piece of understanding, wonderful. But that's

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just a taste that love. That quiver in your voice,
that intensity when you think about your wife is just
a taste of the fulfillmental Outlook.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
I don't know what to do tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Well, you go and you love that woman like you
have every day, and you be an upstanding human being,
and you and you look forward to the things that
you were learning just like you always have. You're not done, Sam,
And it's not done when you go to heaven. That's
the problem, is that mentality that that's the that's now,

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that's the finality of it all. That's not it, that's
a piece of it more each moment. Do you remember
when you first met your wife, Sam? Oh? Yeah, And
you remember how wonderful it was, and how there were
certain little things, the way she held her mouth, the
way she laughed, the way she looked at you, all
those little things you thought were so wonderful, and after

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all these years each knew, you collect each day all
the new things you learn about her, and then you
fall deeper in love with the things that you've known forever,
and then you fall newly in love with her with
the new things each day. Your relationship isn't stagnant. You
didn't just fall into that moment when you met her,

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did you, Sam, and say, Okay, this is it right here?
This is all I want is this moment right here.
You grew with her, didn't you, And you grow with
her each day. Now. If you didn't do that, if
you tried to stay in that moment, you'd miss all
the other moments that have made this relationship so grand

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and so amazing. And that's all I'm saying. There are
more moments on top of this that add to it
in a way you can't even imagine that the very
love that you have for your wife, the very experiences
you've had, have been a taste of the greater piece
of the pie, which is this communion with God. And

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it's okay that you don't understand it in its fullness,
but don't get on that place that it's all about
that one person because you will meet that. The reason
you have those feelings, the reason you can even express them,
are because God has given you that ability. And if
you slap the very face of the God that has

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given that to you, you might as well slap hers too.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
Sorry. I thank you for your time to and you
have a great show and I love it.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Thank you, Thank you, Sam, and I hope you receive that.
It's that straddling heaven and earth is one of the
most difficult things to do, and to understand that this
isn't all there is, and the things that you understand
here and the things that you taste and experience, but

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it's going to be better, not worse. If anything is
received today, I want it to be that about this
conversation about what's it going to be like in heaven
and are you going to be without your loved ones?
That's not the case. It's about something greater than that.
It's about something that adds to that in a way

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that you will have difficulty understanding, and you will dance
in the stars and you will be with those loved
ones who have committed themselves to God, and you will
have an experience like nothing that you can compare it to.

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All I can tell you is that everything you love,
every moment you've experienced that brought you joy, every climax
and the heat of passion in marriage, every experience, every flavor,
every scent, everything that you've ever had joy from, is

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a touch of God, just a touch that if you
could imagine the full concentration of those moments, that's what
heaven is. That's the reuniting of yourself with God, the Maker,
your true mate, and that is a very powerful thing

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that doesn't negate the relationships on earth. Those relationships are
there for a purpose ordained by God. It fulfills them,
It doesn't push them aside. It combines them like nothing
you've ever experienced. But you can't make your mate your God.
You can't make your mate your everything. They are your

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sole focus on earth as a servant to them, to
love on them, to nurture them, to guide them and
be guide them. But if you make it only about them,
they die too. And they have fulfillment with God as
well in their faith and their beliefs. And if you

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really really love them, you never want to hold them
back from that experience. Marcus, Welcome to the Jesus.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
Christow, good morning people. People are always saying that, oh,
you're so lucky, you know, and how lucky you are,
and I want to say no, it's like the Lord
because he sees I'm trying to better my life. I
just wondering, isn't such things the Lucky's okay to feel
like you're lucky, because, to be honest, I just bought
a scratch off the other day, and that's what got
me thinking this herd about this.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Oh boy, you bought a scratch off and did you win?

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Yes, you.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Sound you sound upset about.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
It because I want him to say, yeah, so lucky.
But it's like, no, the Bible, that's.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Well, there's there's a there's an old saying that luck
favors the prepared, and think of it this way, and
and it's okay to use the vernacular. It's okay to
say lucky. I know some Christians go, no, that's not luck,
that's the providence of God and all you know, that's
it's okay to say luck. People know what you mean.
But Marcus, really that's like saying, uh, somebody who gets

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a you know, some sort of build it yourself furniture
piece from somewhere and reads the instructions and builds it
well that it's luck. Well, No, if you take the
time to read the instructions, if you take time to
do things right, it it favors the outcome. It doesn't
promise it because there's a lot of on uh you know,
there's a lot of factors that are out of your

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hands that can come and be involved. But I think
it's beautiful that whenever something does go your way, that
you use it as an opportunity to glorify God as
long as it's tastefully done and isn't you know, because
that could get obnoxious to other people as well. They
can go, oh well, yeah, well Marcus, and then they start,
you know, voting against you, they start hoping, you know,

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for bad things.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
So it's been cautious.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
I just don't want to say, oh my god, God
has another crazy guy following him.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
No, it's a just yeah, you don't need I don't
need anymore.

Speaker 6 (25:20):
You're right, just certain times and certain times just let
it go as it is, all right.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Thank you, you're very very rancom well, you know, and
and Marcus, I'm glad that you at least are giving
the glory to God and use the money for something good.
You know, put it away, invest, save, UH, be productive
with the money. Not easy come easy go say easy come,
practical go. You know, you get the money and UH.

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A nice way to divvy it up is, uh, if
you are so lucky to be in a position, is
maybe a small percentage goes to something that has been
on your want list for a while, and then divvy
the rest up into a portion that goes to charity
and a portion that goes into savings. I think that

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that if you look at things like that, it gifts
like that in a practical way, they can be quite beneficial.
If you see stories about people that have won the lottery,
a lot of them are broke months years down the
line because it's when you perceive and this is something
that you certainly don't want you to or anyone else

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Marcus to get in into your your your mental habit,
and that is, don't think that that luck or that
things that are always going your way. Don't bank on
that in that sense. Be appreciative of it, but always
work for things. Always work. Don't look for the easy
way out, don't look for the you know, for cutting corners.

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It's it's best that you seek to always do things
the right way, the best way, and you know what,
there are wonderful rewards to doing things right. I'm sorry
people that that's the whole point of the Big Book.
It's the whole point of all this. It works.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
People.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
You bash your head into the wall day in and
day out saying, you know, how do I lose weight? Well,
the recipe has not changed for centuries, with very rare
exceptions to actual medical concerns. Eat less, move more, and

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if you do it, it's like you know, some people say, oh,
this diet didn't work. No, you know, if you lose
weight on a diet, it works. It may not be
healthy for you, and that's a whole different story. But
if you're losing weight, it works. The reason why it
stops is because you stop doing it or you stop
working it. And you know, groups like AA and the

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like are always so smart to remind you that it
only works when you work it, and that if you
return and you use best practices every single day in
your life, that you will have good things happen to you. Now,
that doesn't guarantee it, because other people are involved in

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your life. I've known people that do so many wonderful things,
and they have a lot of good that goes on
in their life. However, they have very poor discerning mechanisms
when it comes to relationships. So the money that they
work hard for than they make, or the things that
they have that are nice are destroyed because they bring

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ugly people into their life or people that are bad
or destructive into their lives, and then it negates everything
that you've done. There's a balance in those things and
all those things, and when someone does well, you should
be excited for them, and that is a wonderful thing.
But also know that that really those people that you

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always go, oh, they're so lucky, they're not really lucky.
There are usually people that have worked for things or
seek to play by the rules and not welcome ugly
things in their life. Don't take chances, don't skip rules,
don't don't you know, squeeze by laws because oh, well

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I'm in a hurry or I need to do this,
you know what. Those are the people that get tickets,
or those are people that getting accidents, or those you say,
but I'm a good guy, I do this. Yeah, but
you're trying to cut corners and each time you do that,
you put yourself in potential harms way, and life bites
in the tail. Very rarely do you get away with
it for that long. Sooner or later it catches up
with you, and then and you end up heaping, you know,

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things upon your life. And those are the people say, gosh,
when it rains, it pours, But you know why it
pours because you've been putting all that stuff off and
it finally just gave way. It's more like a shelf
that you keep dumping things on, and soon or later
it's gonna give way and go gosh, man, when one
book falls, they all fall. No, it's because you had
fifty books on the same shelf and it was meant

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for three. And that's therein lies the problem, not luck
at all. Thank you for joining me this Sunday. I
hope you joined me every Sunday. And remember these words
above all else. I am with you always. KFI am
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