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Lying to the Holy Spirit
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Martha. Welcome
to the Jesus Christia.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Thank you. You know, as I'm listening today, there's something
that's kind of shattering within me. It's the first time
I've gone to a prayer event in about thirty years,
because I've been following spiritual masters, spiritual teachers of actually
was a teacher for a long time, helping people realize
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their true nature, their true self. And I love people
like Rajnish and Yogananda and Misagadatta, Ramanna Maharshi and many
masters from many religions. And I now I am kind
of feeling is that wrong? Is that bad? How am
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I related now in my relationship to Jesus Christ? Are
they having gods before me? If I'm following a spiritual
master or a teacher or someone from India, And where
is that with Jesus Christ. Is everything within Jesus Christ?
Or are they separate? And I've been lost like a lamb.
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I'm very confused now. And after being at that prayer event,
it was very beautiful and I feel like I'm almost
like on the outside. Even though I was raised as
a Christian, I'm almost feeling like I'm on the outside
looking in because I've been following Indian masters and spiritual
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teachers that we don't have the name Jesus Christ. So
I'm confused. Now, can you clarify for me?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well, I pray so. My desire is for you to
know me and me to you know you. The entire
Bible is a love letter, and it's not about making
other people bad or other belief systems bad. But in
Christianity we focus on the fact that truth is absolute
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and that there is power in that truth. And if
you can't accept all of the truths because they contradict
each other, even many of those people that you mention
contradict one another. And you can't go around with four
different rulers all saying an inch is a different length,
and be a good carpenter. You will build horrible houses
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if you do not have the absolute of a ruler.
If one inch is not a one inch, if one
foot is not one foot, if they're all different, you
don't want that person building your house.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Do you look that they all speak about the divine,
the divine and divine love, and God is love and
love is God, and that we are all God. We
are God, We are all that God. Is that a lie?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
That is not what Scripture says. That's not what Christians believe.
And you're free to believe that, but you're not free
to believe that as a Christian. You cease being a Christian.
It's like saying that you're a circle, but you have corners.
Once you start having corners, you cease to be a circle.
And that's just that's just the law of non contradiction.
You can't you can't be something and something else at
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the same time in the same way. And when they
make those statements, they say them in their own way,
and they say this is the truth, and no matter
what they're saying, that's what they're saying. This is the
truth as I see it. And if they're contradicting one another,
to put them all in your bag of tricks and
kind of well, this is what I understand. It's not helpful.
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Where do you what do you believe? You mentioned names,
you mentioned ideas, But being a part of the divine
or a pantheism, being God or having that in it
all being one thing doesn't make sense. There has to
be a transcendent. By the description of the of the
creation as it stands. You can see that there has
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to be a God who's outside of this world because
the world is winding down. The world is getting simpler,
not greater. And God doesn't get simpler. God doesn't wind down.
God doesn't start to decay like an apple on a
shelf for months and months, but the world does.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I feel in many ways like I've been living this
fake life. I mean, I was raised in the Christian Church.
My mother is so very religious. Where I decided to
go to India rather than going to the Holy Land,
my whole family was very upset. Why wouldn't you go
to the root of where your true religion is? Why
would you go to where they all worship idols? And
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that was a very big problem. And so I'm now
wondering are certain parts of the world. Are they dark
and without the love because they don't honor and recognize
Christ as the son of God. And if they talk
about the heart or freedom or truth, it's a whole
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different approach to things. And I know I was baptized,
How do I come back?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You're doing it right now, Martha, You're asking questions. Scripture
says to test all things hold fast, that which is true.
It's lovely that you're curious about other beliefs. It's wonderful
that you've explored them. But something hits you in a
way that made you want to reevaluate, and that's the
beginning of the process. And I would recommend you finding
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a church, and you find a good Bible believing and
Bible teaching church that's going to speak to you and
study the scriptures instead of everybody else's. I mean, Varanasi
is a beautiful place. India is a beautiful place. Varanasi
is one of the most ancient cities in history. It's
a wonderful, wonderful place to visit and to see the culture.
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But so too is the Holy Land. So too is
having the experience of understanding where I walked. If it's
what you believe, If you don't believe in Christianity, that's
fine too. You have that choice. Just what bothers me
is when people claim to be Christians and then don't
adhere to it. It's not just a name, it's not
a club. It's not you know something, you're not part
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of a fan base. It's a relationship. And if if
you're if you're seeing ten other men but you're claiming
this one's my husband. That doesn't mean anything. It means nothing.
And really you're sleeping around with other gods and saying, well,
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it's all the same thing, and it's not and we're
not all the same thing. And there's contradictions and there's
there's differences, and that's part of the beauty of the
different religions. But really, if you're going to settle on something,
adhere to it. Sometimes I think people do it so
they aren't accountable to anything. That kind of notion. While
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I'm not religious, I'm spiritual. That doesn't mean anything. You
say that you're not religious, you're spiritual. It just means
that you're not accountable to anything you're not. You know,
it's like people say, well, well I'm an entrepreneur. No,
you're jobless right now. You don't have a job, And
an entrepreneur is a specific type of person, And it
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doesn't mean that while I have ideas, No, there's more
to it than that. And having a relationship with God
is not just wow, playing the field and seeing what's
out there sooner or later. To make it worth anything, Martha,
you're going to have to apply it to your life
and you can't apply all of them to your life.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
How do you find in this world of splintered religions
and Bible people and at how do you know how
to choose something that really is aligned with you, with
the truth of you, rather than.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Seek truth see truth and not flower y talk. There
is a difference between good sound reasoning and reasons that
sound good. And when someone tells you that the earth
is God, yet the earth is dying, that doesn't make sense.
When someone says that God is you, yet you're looking
for God. That doesn't make sense. When someone says that
miracles happen which are supernatural outside of nature by definition,
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yet they're saying that they're happening that nature is causing them.
That doesn't make sense. When someone says that your life
is in a balance of the censorrow because of the
life cycle, and that it is based on karmic debt,
Yet you don't remember your past lives and can't remember
all of them and don't know what you did that
cause the debt that now you're learning from. That doesn't
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make sense. When you go, when you experience something, no
matter how pretty it is, no matter beautiful, no matter
how kind the people are, if it doesn't make sense,
if it's if it doesn't have a sense of rationality,
if it doesn't coincide with the very creation from that creator,
then you tip your hat and you move on, and
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you seek the truth, and the truth will set you free. Greg,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Well, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
My pleasure helping I help you.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Well, I have a question. I have been kind of
drawn into getting into the ministry. I thought about six
years ago, I kind of sold everything and went to
Bible College and figured out there how much I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It happens quickly, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, Ken did I realization pretty quick. I got out,
kind of got away from religion for a little while.
Just I burned out on it, I guess.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
And then, now, what what do you mean by burned out?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I don't know. I just uh, I just uh. It's
like I spent two years in the Bible and it
just kind of overwhelmed me. And it's not like I
never you know, talked with a God or anything, you know,
quick ran or lost faith or anything. I just didn't. Yeah,
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I just wasn't on fire like I was at one time.
And in the same way. So now I'm back in
the Good Church, and you know, I'm feeling drawn into
the ministry, and but I'm I'm really nervous about the
fact of you know, some teaching and teaching wrong basically,
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you know, because there's some there's some scripture that is
open for interpretation, I think eternal salvation or well, I.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Don't know if eternal salvation is open for uh for interpretation.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Well, you know, I mean, are you eternally saved or
maybe maybe you weren't ever saved in the first place.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Or well, that you being saved or not being saved
is a legitimate concern. But to say that there's no
eternal salvation would be would imply that there's no eternal
uh damnation either, and then there'd be a problem with
you know, direct interpretation of scripture.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Where I misstated that. I know that, you know, if
you're truly saved, you're you're saved. But I'm saying as
far as somebody who's living a life of sin, you know,
some people believe that once you say the player, you're
saved forever. And some people say that if you're continuing
in sin, then you're may never been saved in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Well, that's right up there though with with you know,
having a spouse that tells you they love you all
the time yet beats you to pulp every day. If
that's the case, then that that at bare minimum the
word the person doesn't understand love and doesn't understand what
they're saying or doesn't understand they're bringing them pain, and
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that there is not the love in the communion that
they think that there is. And in that case, yes,
there can be people that will say the words and
will act as if they love God and they're following God,
but they're really not. And and truthfully, what it comes
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down to, Greg, is that somebody who doesn't care wouldn't
even think about that. They wouldn't care. They wouldn't care.
If you weren't saved, you wouldn't care about being saved.
You know, if you weren't saved, you wouldn't care about
teaching properly. You weren't saved, you wouldn't care about any
of those things.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Oh, I'm not talking about for myself.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
No, but I'm saying in the big picture of things
that to understand those Now, I do want you to
hold that thought, Greg, because there's a couple of things
that I'd like to point out, and I want to
talk to you a little bit more so hold tight
chatting with Greg about you know, finding that balance of
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responsibility when you're called the ministry and not being sure sometimes.
Is that kind of where you're landing, Greg, You're not
sure if you're being called the ministry or not.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah. Well, the thing is is that you know, I'm
worried about if I teach the wrong thing when I
answer to the Father someday and he says, wow, well
you really like say, you know, like the rapture or sure.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You know, I just stay away from end times. That
can get a little sticky, can't it.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You sure can?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And people ask something and you know, if you give
them the wrong answer, it's that's a high responsibility to
be wrong on well.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Indeed, and Scripture does say that it puts a higher
standard on teachers, and it's good that you respect that.
It's good to have that reverence going into it, because unfortunately,
all too often people do not. However, it should be
part of the purification process, is not part of a
fear process. You should have healthy reverence for what you're teaching,
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and the word of God, so that you don't teach
something however that you know that's incorrect. However, Scripture talks
about proverbs about a righteous man is not someone who
never falls, but someone who falls seven times and seven
times gets up. So really it's about the honesty. I
always tell people, don't follow the guy that knows all
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the answers or seems to. You know a lot of people,
my producer Neil studied for a long time and people say, oh,
he's got a lot of answers for things, and he'll
be the first to tell you, don't follow me. Follow
the guy that asks the questions, because the person who
asks the questions is going to have all of the
answers because they're free and open to talk to anybody
and everybody and ask, to probe and to inquire. And
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as a teacher, I think that it's important for you
to fall into the category of somebody who's willing not
only to make mistakes at times, but to also clarify
those mistakes so that people can trust you as a
person who continually studies, continually ask questions, and someone who
will get the answer, not pretends like they have the answer.
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So being in a state of constantly checking yourself and
be ready, willing, and able if someone comes up to
you and says, you know, a teacher, I came across
this and it doesn't sit well or doesn't fit well
with what you taught, and always be open to say,
you know what, I'm going to look into that. And
if you did somehow misteach something out of the sincerity
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of the knowledge that you had at the time, then
you have to go back and be bold and say,
you know what, I've come into new knowledge. As a
human being, you're different than like an angel. An angel
they call an actualized potential, meaning that they were designed
and created with all that they'll have instantaneously, whereas you,
as a human are more like a glass, an empty
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glass that gets filled throughout the entirety of your life
and isn't born full. So as you go through that's
why you will come into certain new knowledge, or you'll
be rebellious at one point or reject God or all
these things. Well, the ability to go back and forth
not healthy, but the ability to go back and forth
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intellectually is part of the growth process. Whereas an angel
is born into the presence of God and has knowledge
that you do not not yet, and therefore there they
can't repent. In other words, that's why when Satan and
the angels fell, they are not back in heaven. There's
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no salvation, there's no bridge in addition to that to
get back.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So it happens.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
It happens, yeah, exactly, and it's made with the total
sum knowledge that they will have. Whereas you're accumulating knowledge,
it's okay to say, you know what I was wrong,
or I always I was taught this way, I always
thought it was this. As I further my studies, and
trust me as a teacher, people will come to you
and ask questions that will hopefully reinforce and refine your
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understanding of things. You're not going into it knowing everything,
and always to preface with this is a gray area.
This is my interpretation of this gray area, and a
good teacher should teach all of them and say, these
are the thoughts that are out there. This is the
one I lean to, and this is why I lean
to it. It's not part of the essentials, it's not
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part of this, it's not part of that, but this
is why I lean to it. If you get caught
up too heavy in something and start building a church.
Around that gray area is when you get false churches
or heresy or bad teachings and unhealthy churches.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Right, what do you I don't know if do you
what's your view on the on the millennial range. Do
you get into that or do you Well, we don't.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Talk about it much on the air, and I'll and
I'll explain why the purpose of the then focus of
this program is to focus on the things that are
agreed upon for the most part. Now, it doesn't mean
that there aren't things that we talk about or take
a stand on that some people go, oh, I don't
believe that, because there's some things, even like baptism, that
people find to be controversial when scripturally it's really not.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And heard you talk about it and I don't and
I don't blame you, and I don't want to make
you talk about it.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No, But and there is a time and a place,
and there's times when people do ask that I think
it's important to go go towards But as you know,
as my producer, my producer Neil says tongue in cheeks
sometimes that eschatology is the study of last things. Therefore
I'll study at last it's it's a great topic and
it's a great place of understanding for the Christian, but
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there's a lot to the present in understanding the present
that's much more clear, and even getting through the Gospels
in a clear way that when you get into pre
post uh uh, you know, tribulation, millennialism, all these different things,
it murkies the water interpretable, yeah, for now, And it
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doesn't mean it's in there for a purpose. God put
it in there for a purpose. It should be read
and it should be studied, but it should be studied
in the fullness of scripture. And sometimes when you get
so wrapped up in those one things, you miss you
miss the entirety of the of the image that God
is creating with all of those things. So it is
absolutely important, and it's absolutely something that comes on the air,
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but by way of looking at the differences, not by
way of saying this is absolutely positively the way it's
going down.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
So as to thank you for your show at your
very doctrinally sound and it's a it it's great to
listen to it every Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, I appreciate that. I will tell you there's, you know,
no greater compliment than someone's saying that the program's doctor
NONI sound. I appreciate that, Greg Daniel, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yes, I was just wondering. I've been noticing that a
lot of problems with people getting harassed by these cell phones.
Don't you think that's abusing the power of God by
using the man's doing by using these cell phones that
harass and attack people with. And I went to church
and I thought they were praying, but they're really touching
to people on their cell phones about whatever they look
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like and how bad. I don't know, it's just nonsense.
I mean, what do you think about that man abusing
the power of God through their technology.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Well, I don't know if it's abusing the power of
God through the technology. I think they're abusing the technology.
I think they're ignoring God sometimes because of technology. But
technology is not bad unto itself. There's nothing wrong with
technology on its own. Their scripture is filled with the
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talking of building and creating, but there are also scriptures
that say, you know, beware of making technology of any
kind more important than the people behind it. Isaiah ten
point fifteen talks about the acts should the acts boast
over him who hewes it or the saw magnify itself
against he who wields it. Now, of course this is
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talking about the creation of God, looking at making themselves God.
But also there's a good analogy or illustration here that
shows that the things made by man are not more
important than man and should never be more important than man,
because mankind is the one that created them. And if
people get lost in the technology, Daniel, absolutely, if it's distracting, Absolutely,
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technology becomes a problem because of how it's used. But
on its own, no, technology is a thing of beauty
and helps many people out.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Diane, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Illout, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Thanks you taking my call, my pleasure, Diane. How can
I help you? Okay, this is my question. I was
in jail.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
We got these little magazines about with scripture and teachings
about scripture, and one of the magazines said that the
Holy Spirit has feelings that to be lied to. I
understand that because you can't lie to God.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
So what do they mean the Holy Spirit? I mean,
I'm not sure you can lie to God. Sure you
can lie to God.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah, but what they mean they said that you can
lie to the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit has feelings.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I know what I mean. Well, the Holy Spirit is
the third person in the Trinity. Of course, the Holy
Spirit can be lied to. You can, yeah, the Holy Spirit.
There's all kinds of interactions with the Holy Spirit. Holy
Spirit talks about the Holy Spirit being grieved in Ephesians
four thirty and blasphemed in Matthew twelve. So absolutely, there's
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no reason to believe that the Holy Spirit couldn't be
lied to. Wow, you must see the Holy Spirit as
you see God as the third person of the Trinity.
They're not separated. They're all one simultaneously and three simultaneously.
That's like saying, you know, yesterday, today, and tomorrow they're
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all they three, but simultaneously one. They're all time. So
you can't separate yesterday, today, and tomorrow. You can use
a clock and sort of understand them differently, but you
can't like actually separate and put today in a box
or anything like that. It's not built that way. Similarly,
when it comes to the Trinity, they're all one and
simultaneously three. So in that sense, yes, of course, doesn't
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mean that God looks at you and says, oh, I
thought you meant this. No God knows when you're lying,
but you can still be in the act or in
the participation of lying to God. You can be there
in that state of lying to God, regardless of God
knowing or not you're doing the lying. God's not.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
The third person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, is
one of those one of those types of characters. And
I use this term because of the way people receive
it that seems difficult for people to understand. But know
that the Holy Spirit is completely equal with the Father
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and the Son, so says Matthew twenty eight nineteen and
sewo Corinthians thirteen fourteen. But the Holy Spirit has specific
participations with the Christian As a matter of fact, you're
reborn through the Holy Spirit, so it says Acts two
thirty eight. And the Holy Spirit is the one. He's
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the gift giver, the one who brings the gifts and
the abilities to speak in tongues, prophecy, heal, miracles, one
Corinthians twelve. And if you remember when I left, I
promised every believer that the Holy Spirit would would come
and stay and dwell in every believer John fourteen sixteen.
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So he's a comforter he's a helper. He guides you
to and teaches you about the Church, bears witness to
me always and most certainly as a person and the
third person of the Trinity, can be grieved and can
be lied to.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
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You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Martha. Welcome
to the Jesus Christia.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Thank you. You know, as I'm listening today, there's something
that's kind of shattering within me. It's the first time
I've gone to a prayer event in about thirty years,
because I've been following spiritual masters, spiritual teachers of actually
was a teacher for a long time, helping people realize
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their true nature, their true self. And I love people
like Rajnish and Yogananda and Misagadatta, Ramanna Maharshi and many
masters from many religions. And I now I am kind
of feeling is that wrong? Is that bad? How am
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I related now in my relationship to Jesus Christ? Are
they having gods before me? If I'm following a spiritual
master or a teacher or someone from India, And where
is that with Jesus Christ. Is everything within Jesus Christ?
Or are they separate? And I've been lost like a lamb.
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I'm very confused now. And after being at that prayer event,
it was very beautiful and I feel like I'm almost
like on the outside. Even though I was raised as
a Christian, I'm almost feeling like I'm on the outside
looking in because I've been following Indian masters and spiritual
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teachers that we don't have the name Jesus Christ. So
I'm confused. Now, can you clarify for me?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well, I pray so. My desire is for you to
know me and me to you know you. The entire
Bible is a love letter, and it's not about making
other people bad or other belief systems bad. But in
Christianity we focus on the fact that truth is absolute
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and that there is power in that truth. And if
you can't accept all of the truths because they contradict
each other, even many of those people that you mention
contradict one another. And you can't go around with four
different rulers all saying an inch is a different length,
and be a good carpenter. You will build horrible houses
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if you do not have the absolute of a ruler.
If one inch is not a one inch, if one
foot is not one foot, if they're all different, you
don't want that person building your house.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Do you look that they all speak about the divine,
the divine and divine love, and God is love and
love is God, and that we are all God. We
are God, We are all that God. Is that a lie?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
That is not what Scripture says. That's not what Christians believe.
And you're free to believe that, but you're not free
to believe that as a Christian. You cease being a Christian.
It's like saying that you're a circle, but you have corners.
Once you start having corners, you cease to be a circle.
And that's just that's just the law of non contradiction.
You can't you can't be something and something else at
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the same time in the same way. And when they
make those statements, they say them in their own way,
and they say this is the truth, and no matter
what they're saying, that's what they're saying. This is the
truth as I see it. And if they're contradicting one another,
to put them all in your bag of tricks and
kind of well, this is what I understand. It's not helpful.
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Where do you what do you believe? You mentioned names,
you mentioned ideas, But being a part of the divine
or a pantheism, being God or having that in it
all being one thing doesn't make sense. There has to
be a transcendent. By the description of the of the
creation as it stands. You can see that there has
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to be a God who's outside of this world because
the world is winding down. The world is getting simpler,
not greater. And God doesn't get simpler. God doesn't wind down.
God doesn't start to decay like an apple on a
shelf for months and months, but the world does.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I feel in many ways like I've been living this
fake life. I mean, I was raised in the Christian Church.
My mother is so very religious. Where I decided to
go to India rather than going to the Holy Land,
my whole family was very upset. Why wouldn't you go
to the root of where your true religion is? Why
would you go to where they all worship idols? And
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that was a very big problem. And so I'm now
wondering are certain parts of the world. Are they dark
and without the love because they don't honor and recognize
Christ as the son of God. And if they talk
about the heart or freedom or truth, it's a whole
(05:14):
different approach to things. And I know I was baptized,
How do I come back?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You're doing it right now, Martha, You're asking questions. Scripture
says to test all things hold fast, that which is true.
It's lovely that you're curious about other beliefs. It's wonderful
that you've explored them. But something hits you in a
way that made you want to reevaluate, and that's the
beginning of the process. And I would recommend you finding
(05:44):
a church, and you find a good Bible believing and
Bible teaching church that's going to speak to you and
study the scriptures instead of everybody else's. I mean, Varanasi
is a beautiful place. India is a beautiful place. Varanasi
is one of the most ancient cities in history. It's
a wonderful, wonderful place to visit and to see the culture.
(06:09):
But so too is the Holy Land. So too is
having the experience of understanding where I walked. If it's
what you believe, If you don't believe in Christianity, that's
fine too. You have that choice. Just what bothers me
is when people claim to be Christians and then don't
adhere to it. It's not just a name, it's not
a club. It's not you know something, you're not part
(06:31):
of a fan base. It's a relationship. And if if
you're if you're seeing ten other men but you're claiming
this one's my husband. That doesn't mean anything. It means nothing.
And really you're sleeping around with other gods and saying, well,
(06:53):
it's all the same thing, and it's not and we're
not all the same thing. And there's contradictions and there's
there's differences, and that's part of the beauty of the
different religions. But really, if you're going to settle on something,
adhere to it. Sometimes I think people do it so
they aren't accountable to anything. That kind of notion. While
(07:14):
I'm not religious, I'm spiritual. That doesn't mean anything. You
say that you're not religious, you're spiritual. It just means
that you're not accountable to anything you're not. You know,
it's like people say, well, well I'm an entrepreneur. No,
you're jobless right now. You don't have a job, And
an entrepreneur is a specific type of person, And it
(07:35):
doesn't mean that while I have ideas, No, there's more
to it than that. And having a relationship with God
is not just wow, playing the field and seeing what's
out there sooner or later. To make it worth anything, Martha,
you're going to have to apply it to your life
and you can't apply all of them to your life.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
How do you find in this world of splintered religions
and Bible people and at how do you know how
to choose something that really is aligned with you, with
the truth of you, rather than.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Seek truth see truth and not flower y talk. There
is a difference between good sound reasoning and reasons that
sound good. And when someone tells you that the earth
is God, yet the earth is dying, that doesn't make sense.
When someone says that God is you, yet you're looking
for God. That doesn't make sense. When someone says that
miracles happen which are supernatural outside of nature by definition,
(08:32):
yet they're saying that they're happening that nature is causing them.
That doesn't make sense. When someone says that your life
is in a balance of the censorrow because of the
life cycle, and that it is based on karmic debt,
Yet you don't remember your past lives and can't remember
all of them and don't know what you did that
cause the debt that now you're learning from. That doesn't
(08:53):
make sense. When you go, when you experience something, no
matter how pretty it is, no matter beautiful, no matter
how kind the people are, if it doesn't make sense,
if it's if it doesn't have a sense of rationality,
if it doesn't coincide with the very creation from that creator,
then you tip your hat and you move on, and
(09:14):
you seek the truth, and the truth will set you free. Greg,
Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Well, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
My pleasure helping I help you.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Well, I have a question. I have been kind of
drawn into getting into the ministry. I thought about six
years ago, I kind of sold everything and went to
Bible College and figured out there how much I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It happens quickly, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, Ken did I realization pretty quick. I got out,
kind of got away from religion for a little while.
Just I burned out on it, I guess.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
And then, now, what what do you mean by burned out?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I don't know. I just uh, I just uh. It's
like I spent two years in the Bible and it
just kind of overwhelmed me. And it's not like I
never you know, talked with a God or anything, you know,
quick ran or lost faith or anything. I just didn't. Yeah,
(10:29):
I just wasn't on fire like I was at one time.
And in the same way. So now I'm back in
the Good Church, and you know, I'm feeling drawn into
the ministry, and but I'm I'm really nervous about the
fact of you know, some teaching and teaching wrong basically,
(10:50):
you know, because there's some there's some scripture that is
open for interpretation, I think eternal salvation or well, I.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Don't know if eternal salvation is open for uh for interpretation.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Well, you know, I mean, are you eternally saved or
maybe maybe you weren't ever saved in the first place.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Or well, that you being saved or not being saved
is a legitimate concern. But to say that there's no
eternal salvation would be would imply that there's no eternal
uh damnation either, and then there'd be a problem with
you know, direct interpretation of scripture.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Where I misstated that. I know that, you know, if
you're truly saved, you're you're saved. But I'm saying as
far as somebody who's living a life of sin, you know,
some people believe that once you say the player, you're
saved forever. And some people say that if you're continuing
in sin, then you're may never been saved in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Well, that's right up there though with with you know,
having a spouse that tells you they love you all
the time yet beats you to pulp every day. If
that's the case, then that that at bare minimum the
word the person doesn't understand love and doesn't understand what
they're saying or doesn't understand they're bringing them pain, and
(12:08):
that there is not the love in the communion that
they think that there is. And in that case, yes,
there can be people that will say the words and
will act as if they love God and they're following God,
but they're really not. And and truthfully, what it comes
(12:31):
down to, Greg, is that somebody who doesn't care wouldn't
even think about that. They wouldn't care. They wouldn't care.
If you weren't saved, you wouldn't care about being saved.
You know, if you weren't saved, you wouldn't care about
teaching properly. You weren't saved, you wouldn't care about any
of those things.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Oh, I'm not talking about for myself.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
No, but I'm saying in the big picture of things
that to understand those Now, I do want you to
hold that thought, Greg, because there's a couple of things
that I'd like to point out, and I want to
talk to you a little bit more so hold tight
chatting with Greg about you know, finding that balance of
(13:15):
responsibility when you're called the ministry and not being sure sometimes.
Is that kind of where you're landing, Greg, You're not
sure if you're being called the ministry or not.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah. Well, the thing is is that you know, I'm
worried about if I teach the wrong thing when I
answer to the Father someday and he says, wow, well
you really like say, you know, like the rapture or sure.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You know, I just stay away from end times. That
can get a little sticky, can't it.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You sure can?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And people ask something and you know, if you give
them the wrong answer, it's that's a high responsibility to
be wrong on well.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Indeed, and Scripture does say that it puts a higher
standard on teachers, and it's good that you respect that.
It's good to have that reverence going into it, because unfortunately,
all too often people do not. However, it should be
part of the purification process, is not part of a
fear process. You should have healthy reverence for what you're teaching,
(14:17):
and the word of God, so that you don't teach
something however that you know that's incorrect. However, Scripture talks
about proverbs about a righteous man is not someone who
never falls, but someone who falls seven times and seven
times gets up. So really it's about the honesty. I
always tell people, don't follow the guy that knows all
(14:39):
the answers or seems to. You know a lot of people,
my producer Neil studied for a long time and people say, oh,
he's got a lot of answers for things, and he'll
be the first to tell you, don't follow me. Follow
the guy that asks the questions, because the person who
asks the questions is going to have all of the
answers because they're free and open to talk to anybody
and everybody and ask, to probe and to inquire. And
(15:02):
as a teacher, I think that it's important for you
to fall into the category of somebody who's willing not
only to make mistakes at times, but to also clarify
those mistakes so that people can trust you as a
person who continually studies, continually ask questions, and someone who
will get the answer, not pretends like they have the answer.
(15:24):
So being in a state of constantly checking yourself and
be ready, willing, and able if someone comes up to
you and says, you know, a teacher, I came across
this and it doesn't sit well or doesn't fit well
with what you taught, and always be open to say,
you know what, I'm going to look into that. And
if you did somehow misteach something out of the sincerity
(15:49):
of the knowledge that you had at the time, then
you have to go back and be bold and say,
you know what, I've come into new knowledge. As a
human being, you're different than like an angel. An angel
they call an actualized potential, meaning that they were designed
and created with all that they'll have instantaneously, whereas you,
as a human are more like a glass, an empty
(16:11):
glass that gets filled throughout the entirety of your life
and isn't born full. So as you go through that's
why you will come into certain new knowledge, or you'll
be rebellious at one point or reject God or all
these things. Well, the ability to go back and forth
not healthy, but the ability to go back and forth
(16:31):
intellectually is part of the growth process. Whereas an angel
is born into the presence of God and has knowledge
that you do not not yet, and therefore there they
can't repent. In other words, that's why when Satan and
the angels fell, they are not back in heaven. There's
(16:54):
no salvation, there's no bridge in addition to that to
get back.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So it happens.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
It happens, yeah, exactly, and it's made with the total
sum knowledge that they will have. Whereas you're accumulating knowledge,
it's okay to say, you know what I was wrong,
or I always I was taught this way, I always
thought it was this. As I further my studies, and
trust me as a teacher, people will come to you
and ask questions that will hopefully reinforce and refine your
(17:24):
understanding of things. You're not going into it knowing everything,
and always to preface with this is a gray area.
This is my interpretation of this gray area, and a
good teacher should teach all of them and say, these
are the thoughts that are out there. This is the
one I lean to, and this is why I lean
to it. It's not part of the essentials, it's not
(17:45):
part of this, it's not part of that, but this
is why I lean to it. If you get caught
up too heavy in something and start building a church.
Around that gray area is when you get false churches
or heresy or bad teachings and unhealthy churches.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Right, what do you I don't know if do you
what's your view on the on the millennial range. Do
you get into that or do you Well, we don't.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Talk about it much on the air, and I'll and
I'll explain why the purpose of the then focus of
this program is to focus on the things that are
agreed upon for the most part. Now, it doesn't mean
that there aren't things that we talk about or take
a stand on that some people go, oh, I don't
believe that, because there's some things, even like baptism, that
people find to be controversial when scripturally it's really not.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And heard you talk about it and I don't and
I don't blame you, and I don't want to make
you talk about it.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No, But and there is a time and a place,
and there's times when people do ask that I think
it's important to go go towards But as you know,
as my producer, my producer Neil says tongue in cheeks
sometimes that eschatology is the study of last things. Therefore
I'll study at last it's it's a great topic and
it's a great place of understanding for the Christian, but
(19:01):
there's a lot to the present in understanding the present
that's much more clear, and even getting through the Gospels
in a clear way that when you get into pre
post uh uh, you know, tribulation, millennialism, all these different things,
it murkies the water interpretable, yeah, for now, And it
(19:23):
doesn't mean it's in there for a purpose. God put
it in there for a purpose. It should be read
and it should be studied, but it should be studied
in the fullness of scripture. And sometimes when you get
so wrapped up in those one things, you miss you
miss the entirety of the of the image that God
is creating with all of those things. So it is
absolutely important, and it's absolutely something that comes on the air,
(19:44):
but by way of looking at the differences, not by
way of saying this is absolutely positively the way it's
going down.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
So as to thank you for your show at your
very doctrinally sound and it's a it it's great to
listen to it every Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, I appreciate that. I will tell you there's, you know,
no greater compliment than someone's saying that the program's doctor
NONI sound. I appreciate that, Greg Daniel, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yes, I was just wondering. I've been noticing that a
lot of problems with people getting harassed by these cell phones.
Don't you think that's abusing the power of God by
using the man's doing by using these cell phones that
harass and attack people with. And I went to church
and I thought they were praying, but they're really touching
to people on their cell phones about whatever they look
(20:37):
like and how bad. I don't know, it's just nonsense.
I mean, what do you think about that man abusing
the power of God through their technology.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Well, I don't know if it's abusing the power of
God through the technology. I think they're abusing the technology.
I think they're ignoring God sometimes because of technology. But
technology is not bad unto itself. There's nothing wrong with
technology on its own. Their scripture is filled with the
(21:06):
talking of building and creating, but there are also scriptures
that say, you know, beware of making technology of any
kind more important than the people behind it. Isaiah ten
point fifteen talks about the acts should the acts boast
over him who hewes it or the saw magnify itself
against he who wields it. Now, of course this is
(21:29):
talking about the creation of God, looking at making themselves God.
But also there's a good analogy or illustration here that
shows that the things made by man are not more
important than man and should never be more important than man,
because mankind is the one that created them. And if
people get lost in the technology, Daniel, absolutely, if it's distracting, Absolutely,
(21:53):
technology becomes a problem because of how it's used. But
on its own, no, technology is a thing of beauty
and helps many people out.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Diane, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Illout, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Thanks you taking my call, my pleasure, Diane. How can
I help you? Okay, this is my question. I was
in jail.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
We got these little magazines about with scripture and teachings
about scripture, and one of the magazines said that the
Holy Spirit has feelings that to be lied to. I
understand that because you can't lie to God.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
So what do they mean the Holy Spirit? I mean,
I'm not sure you can lie to God. Sure you
can lie to God.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah, but what they mean they said that you can
lie to the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit has feelings.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I know what I mean. Well, the Holy Spirit is
the third person in the Trinity. Of course, the Holy
Spirit can be lied to. You can, yeah, the Holy Spirit.
There's all kinds of interactions with the Holy Spirit. Holy
Spirit talks about the Holy Spirit being grieved in Ephesians
four thirty and blasphemed in Matthew twelve. So absolutely, there's
(23:03):
no reason to believe that the Holy Spirit couldn't be
lied to. Wow, you must see the Holy Spirit as
you see God as the third person of the Trinity.
They're not separated. They're all one simultaneously and three simultaneously.
That's like saying, you know, yesterday, today, and tomorrow they're
(23:25):
all they three, but simultaneously one. They're all time. So
you can't separate yesterday, today, and tomorrow. You can use
a clock and sort of understand them differently, but you
can't like actually separate and put today in a box
or anything like that. It's not built that way. Similarly,
when it comes to the Trinity, they're all one and
simultaneously three. So in that sense, yes, of course, doesn't
(23:48):
mean that God looks at you and says, oh, I
thought you meant this. No God knows when you're lying,
but you can still be in the act or in
the participation of lying to God. You can be there
in that state of lying to God, regardless of God
knowing or not you're doing the lying. God's not.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
The third person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, is
one of those one of those types of characters. And
I use this term because of the way people receive
it that seems difficult for people to understand. But know
that the Holy Spirit is completely equal with the Father
(24:32):
and the Son, so says Matthew twenty eight nineteen and
sewo Corinthians thirteen fourteen. But the Holy Spirit has specific
participations with the Christian As a matter of fact, you're
reborn through the Holy Spirit, so it says Acts two
thirty eight. And the Holy Spirit is the one. He's
(24:55):
the gift giver, the one who brings the gifts and
the abilities to speak in tongues, prophecy, heal, miracles, one
Corinthians twelve. And if you remember when I left, I
promised every believer that the Holy Spirit would would come
and stay and dwell in every believer John fourteen sixteen.
(25:19):
So he's a comforter he's a helper. He guides you
to and teaches you about the Church, bears witness to
me always and most certainly as a person and the
third person of the Trinity, can be grieved and can
be lied to.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
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