March 12, 2025 • 10 mins
Gary and Shannon bring in their friend, Justin Worsham, to talk if raising a baby is expensive? This new number will shock you/ Being a parent keeps the brain young – especially if you’ve got multiple kids.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Justin worship as host of the Dad podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hello, do you think you know how we have cold wars?
Is this going to be like a tariff war? Is
that a Is that going to be a favor?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
We call them trade wars?
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
So I was, I was, I was saying this yesterday.
Speaker 5 (00:15):
In my lifetime, I can't remember there being this much
cursufful around a trade war. I'm sure they existed, but
we weren't paying attention. And now I just feel like
we have to pay attention. Speaking of the high cost medicine,
a center from a study from baby Center shows that
(00:39):
raising a baby can be pretty expensive. That in the
first year alone, you're talking about twenty grand got.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
Four dollars on average. Which is what did they say?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
They said, it's fifteen percent of moms baby let expenses
eat up half of what they bring in, half of
your income for your baby's first year. And they're talking
like we've been hearing about this decline and birth rate
and this is the first kind of I don't even
think that they're well, they do make the connection here,
but this is the first time I'm seeing this connection.
(01:12):
Is that I thought it was just like generationally that
people like millennials were less interested.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
In having families.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
They were more career oriented and they wanted to live
a more nomadic lifestyle and have freedom.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
So therefore kids weren't a part of it.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
But now what we're trying to what we're starting to
see is that it's possible that there's more economic influence
because the birth rate in the US is declining, stem
like people are having less kids. There's more dual income
no kid type families than there were in the past.
I don't think they out like rank like or outnumber
the parents yet, but it's still it's rising, and I
(01:45):
think a lot of it has.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
To do with the costs well.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
And I know that they make one point in here
that there's no national paid leave, there's no federal law
that requires paid leave for parents. But I've never worked
in a place where it wasn't offered. Yeah where, I mean,
that's just a matter of whether it's local law or
just a company policy.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
And when you look at like we always love to
make fun of the Netherlands, right because there it's where
everybody is happy and they have the largest, the longest
paid national leap.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I think who makes fun of people from the Netherlands.
I do you do like you like we would make
fun of Canadians, you make fun of the people from
the Netherlands.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Wait, there's a different.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Wooden shoes.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
She listens.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I told you, she listens. I think is what it's
called the gigs out my pseudon.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
You broadcast from solving.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, I'm spending defective American who I'm fun.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Always make fun of the.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Well, maybe I'm talking to me in the Royal League
because I think it's just so funny that they are
always so happy and nobody seems to understand why. And
then the minute I bring up and say like things
even amongst friends, not just here, but when I say
amongst my friends, it's like, oh, well, they have more
paid apparently if I think they're like I thought it
was closer to nine oh maybe, and they have that.
I think it's nine months for a mom and six
(03:07):
months for a dad is what they get in the Netherlands.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I'll look that up before when we go in the
next break or whatever.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
But that the happier nations seem to have longer paid leave.
That is a federal thing, like I don't know in
what instances it's actually paid by the federal government. I'm
sure that it has to be subsidized in some way,
shape or form. It's like a disability for lack of
a better way putting.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, it's also a great tax coat in in Amsterdam.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Thirty percent of your gross salary can be paid out
tax free as non taxable allowance?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Wow, but you still got to be in the like
fifty percent of taxes. There's no way that they're You're
also just getting a third of their inner.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Beautiful there too, nice waterways.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
The Shannon's planning a move and offend it by me
saying making fun.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You read it from the work for the.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Commerce or something.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
He's doing another trip you gonna go?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
I stopped there on the way to a don't yeahcakes.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
That's like almost a ten year old fit.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Now, this.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
A long time ago.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Gary Shadow were filling it on the Morning show when
I worked there. Just mentioned about going to Europe, and
Gary evidently gets very upset whenever she talks about her
travels because he feels like his children are sandbags and
weigh him down from being.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Able to experience it. It's rooted in my deep jealous.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
And as a person who walks with children. I agree wholeheartedly.
I think it is fair that it's the shouldn't she
should be burdened with at.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Least a bag of flour or some eggs that she
has to care for, like it's a junior year.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
In high school again.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
And listen, you and I may both be older than Shannon,
but because of the benefit of having squeezed.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Out a couple of kids, we're smarter. We are smarter.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Science will prove it, Gary Channon will so much belief
in your eye.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Being a parent keeps the brain young, so says science.
Justin Worsham, host of The Dad podcast, is with us.
His hips don't lie. I've been worked on.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
A physical therapist did some It's a.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Whole thing strong hips. So what's what's the deal with this?
Is it just because your brain has to stay active
when you've got kids, especially multiple at just the multitasker,
the entire your whole life.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
They did multiple brain studies in Britain and they showed
that when they looked at the not only there was
a direct correlation between people who didn't have kids and
people who had kids, but also even more to support
their evidence, was the more kids you had, the longer
your brain stayed active, and it was because of use.
Like to me, there was a my r pediatrician gave
(05:40):
the kids this kind of speech when we went in
there and saying, you got to watch how many how
much time you spend playing video games, and she said
the reason is is because if you spend most of
your time playing video games, then the neurons in your
brain that are used for playing video games become very
strong and very open and can fire fast.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But you're neglecting the other parts of your brain like
your hips.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Your hips, you need to get out there and do
some pilates boys, uh, and so so you have to
do these other things so that you're well rounded in
that area, and so with parents, because so much of
your life is about social connection with kids, and the
more kids you have, so those parts of your brain.
But the thing that blew my brain, my brain, was
that it's also your motor function is more like grip
(06:22):
strength is something that they actually use to assess your
motor ability because you're that part of the frontal cortex
of your brain controls how hard you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Can squeeze your hand.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well, you've you've tried to hold kids down, haven't you.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, of course that's but.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
I guess I guess what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Not to be a wet blanket on your humor, but
I'm what I'm saying is that I never would have
thought that you having a stronger frontal stronger frontal cortex.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Not my verbal cortex obviously, but.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
For motor skills because of kids, would make my grip
strength stronger later on in life. Like that, that's fascinating
to me, Am I done?
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Yeah, No, I think you're right. Because there's no gen
there's no brain, you should not have children.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I don't think you understand deal with frustration and anchor.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
They do describe.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Also, no more puppies for you, okay.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Caregiving is the highly sensory process involving coordinated movements. The
holding the cradle and defeating the children can engage multiple
sensory systems, but obviously you're using muscles with that as well.
Just my wife used to have this very specific way
that she would hold one of the kids on her hip.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yes, and it.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Looks like they're like making a half moon shape out
of their back, and I don't understand how that works.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And she would talk about that, of course, I mean
that made her that strengthened whatever that side. I mean
she would switch from side to side, but she would
talk about that being a very specific feeling of that
was strengthened. Especially as the kids grow from you know,
eight pounds up to.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Eighty pounds. I don't know when you stopped crazy.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Whatever they grow to, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I don't know how big number one and number two,
I know which one was.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Fir impressed me too that my wife could literally carry
a child like a toddler around all day at like
a theme park. Right, But when it comes to taking
four or five bags of groceries, can you get these
big guys?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
This is not a Ruffles counseling.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
This is not that. Yeah, I'm not even gonna look
at you for the rest of the time.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Overdone.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I thought we had some time here.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Can we unpack what I just said?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Do I need not a great idea?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
She done enough, She unloaded two kids, and now you
wanted to unload four or five bags of groceries.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
So many times I defend you with her, and now
you're gonna jump on this bandwagon.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
He wants to be safe too.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I'm trying to protect you. You see this, I'm helping you.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I'm gonna go next door and start my apology tours
the world, but especially my wife.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
I wasn't saying it was bad. I just was like,
it was interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Why is that she taught the kids, she carried the kids,
and she carried the kids on her hip, and then
she like grocery shops.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
I'm sure this doesn't argument. But I told her about
to breastfeed.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Okay, you've taught her to I'm sure she would find
that interesting.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Also, let's get her on the horn.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Let's car also an awful idea, so never want to
hear I taught my wife how to breastfeed again.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Ever, alright, well I had a good run.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
You can see why that was all I do. Think
you have a good sitcom pitch. Justin Worsham, the world's
first male lactation consultant.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I could see that coming up.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
No w B, everybody's going to use that talkback feature
right now and you're gonna get blown up on how
many people, how many guys know how to teach ala?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I have never done that. I know I just did
a child, but in my head, I I can't think
of anything that would be more infuriating than my husband
telling me how to make that s work. And I
almost said the real word, like that to me sounds
like the worst version of calm down I've ever heard,
(10:17):
Like you do it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
That is actual weaponized mansplain.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, the onion was to write an article about man splaining.
They would use my life example.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
That'll land on a dateline with Keith Morrison talking about
your life.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
This is why she is my soulmate because she found
it amusing.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
That's like she doesn't look at this.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It's like you have to.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
I'm never coming back here again.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You know we love you.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
I know. That's why it makes it so infuriating.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Twelve o'clock hour is coming up next. Gary and Shannon
will continue right after.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Use that then
Justin worship as host of the Dad podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hello, do you think you know how we have cold wars?
Is this going to be like a tariff war? Is
that a Is that going to be a favor?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
We call them trade wars?
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
So I was, I was, I was saying this yesterday.
Speaker 5 (00:15):
In my lifetime, I can't remember there being this much
cursufful around a trade war. I'm sure they existed, but
we weren't paying attention. And now I just feel like
we have to pay attention. Speaking of the high cost medicine,
a center from a study from baby Center shows that
(00:39):
raising a baby can be pretty expensive. That in the
first year alone, you're talking about twenty grand got.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
Four dollars on average. Which is what did they say?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
They said, it's fifteen percent of moms baby let expenses
eat up half of what they bring in, half of
your income for your baby's first year. And they're talking
like we've been hearing about this decline and birth rate
and this is the first kind of I don't even
think that they're well, they do make the connection here,
but this is the first time I'm seeing this connection.
(01:12):
Is that I thought it was just like generationally that
people like millennials were less interested.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
In having families.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
They were more career oriented and they wanted to live
a more nomadic lifestyle and have freedom.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
So therefore kids weren't a part of it.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
But now what we're trying to what we're starting to
see is that it's possible that there's more economic influence
because the birth rate in the US is declining, stem
like people are having less kids. There's more dual income
no kid type families than there were in the past.
I don't think they out like rank like or outnumber
the parents yet, but it's still it's rising, and I
(01:45):
think a lot of it has.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
To do with the costs well.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
And I know that they make one point in here
that there's no national paid leave, there's no federal law
that requires paid leave for parents. But I've never worked
in a place where it wasn't offered. Yeah where, I mean,
that's just a matter of whether it's local law or
just a company policy.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
And when you look at like we always love to
make fun of the Netherlands, right because there it's where
everybody is happy and they have the largest, the longest
paid national leap.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I think who makes fun of people from the Netherlands.
I do you do like you like we would make
fun of Canadians, you make fun of the people from
the Netherlands.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Wait, there's a different.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Wooden shoes.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
She listens.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I told you, she listens. I think is what it's
called the gigs out my pseudon.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
You broadcast from solving.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, I'm spending defective American who I'm fun.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Always make fun of the.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Well, maybe I'm talking to me in the Royal League
because I think it's just so funny that they are
always so happy and nobody seems to understand why. And
then the minute I bring up and say like things
even amongst friends, not just here, but when I say
amongst my friends, it's like, oh, well, they have more
paid apparently if I think they're like I thought it
was closer to nine oh maybe, and they have that.
I think it's nine months for a mom and six
(03:07):
months for a dad is what they get in the Netherlands.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I'll look that up before when we go in the
next break or whatever.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
But that the happier nations seem to have longer paid leave.
That is a federal thing, like I don't know in
what instances it's actually paid by the federal government. I'm
sure that it has to be subsidized in some way,
shape or form. It's like a disability for lack of
a better way putting.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, it's also a great tax coat in in Amsterdam.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Thirty percent of your gross salary can be paid out
tax free as non taxable allowance?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Wow, but you still got to be in the like
fifty percent of taxes. There's no way that they're You're
also just getting a third of their inner.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Beautiful there too, nice waterways.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
The Shannon's planning a move and offend it by me
saying making fun.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You read it from the work for the.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Commerce or something.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
He's doing another trip you gonna go?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
I stopped there on the way to a don't yeahcakes.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
That's like almost a ten year old fit.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Now, this.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
A long time ago.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Gary Shadow were filling it on the Morning show when
I worked there. Just mentioned about going to Europe, and
Gary evidently gets very upset whenever she talks about her
travels because he feels like his children are sandbags and
weigh him down from being.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Able to experience it. It's rooted in my deep jealous.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
And as a person who walks with children. I agree wholeheartedly.
I think it is fair that it's the shouldn't she
should be burdened with at.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Least a bag of flour or some eggs that she
has to care for, like it's a junior year.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
In high school again.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
And listen, you and I may both be older than Shannon,
but because of the benefit of having squeezed.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Out a couple of kids, we're smarter. We are smarter.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Science will prove it, Gary Channon will so much belief
in your eye.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Being a parent keeps the brain young, so says science.
Justin Worsham, host of The Dad podcast, is with us.
His hips don't lie. I've been worked on.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
A physical therapist did some It's a.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Whole thing strong hips. So what's what's the deal with this?
Is it just because your brain has to stay active
when you've got kids, especially multiple at just the multitasker,
the entire your whole life.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
They did multiple brain studies in Britain and they showed
that when they looked at the not only there was
a direct correlation between people who didn't have kids and
people who had kids, but also even more to support
their evidence, was the more kids you had, the longer
your brain stayed active, and it was because of use.
Like to me, there was a my r pediatrician gave
(05:40):
the kids this kind of speech when we went in
there and saying, you got to watch how many how
much time you spend playing video games, and she said
the reason is is because if you spend most of
your time playing video games, then the neurons in your
brain that are used for playing video games become very
strong and very open and can fire fast.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But you're neglecting the other parts of your brain like
your hips.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Your hips, you need to get out there and do
some pilates boys, uh, and so so you have to
do these other things so that you're well rounded in
that area, and so with parents, because so much of
your life is about social connection with kids, and the
more kids you have, so those parts of your brain.
But the thing that blew my brain, my brain, was
that it's also your motor function is more like grip
(06:22):
strength is something that they actually use to assess your
motor ability because you're that part of the frontal cortex
of your brain controls how hard you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Can squeeze your hand.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well, you've you've tried to hold kids down, haven't you.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, of course that's but.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
I guess I guess what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Not to be a wet blanket on your humor, but
I'm what I'm saying is that I never would have
thought that you having a stronger frontal stronger frontal cortex.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Not my verbal cortex obviously, but.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
For motor skills because of kids, would make my grip
strength stronger later on in life. Like that, that's fascinating
to me, Am I done?
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Yeah, No, I think you're right. Because there's no gen
there's no brain, you should not have children.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I don't think you understand deal with frustration and anchor.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
They do describe.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Also, no more puppies for you, okay.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Caregiving is the highly sensory process involving coordinated movements. The
holding the cradle and defeating the children can engage multiple
sensory systems, but obviously you're using muscles with that as well.
Just my wife used to have this very specific way
that she would hold one of the kids on her hip.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yes, and it.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Looks like they're like making a half moon shape out
of their back, and I don't understand how that works.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And she would talk about that, of course, I mean
that made her that strengthened whatever that side. I mean
she would switch from side to side, but she would
talk about that being a very specific feeling of that
was strengthened. Especially as the kids grow from you know,
eight pounds up to.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Eighty pounds. I don't know when you stopped crazy.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Whatever they grow to, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I don't know how big number one and number two,
I know which one was.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Fir impressed me too that my wife could literally carry
a child like a toddler around all day at like
a theme park. Right, But when it comes to taking
four or five bags of groceries, can you get these
big guys?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
This is not a Ruffles counseling.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
This is not that. Yeah, I'm not even gonna look
at you for the rest of the time.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Overdone.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I thought we had some time here.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Can we unpack what I just said?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Do I need not a great idea?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
She done enough, She unloaded two kids, and now you
wanted to unload four or five bags of groceries.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
So many times I defend you with her, and now
you're gonna jump on this bandwagon.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
He wants to be safe too.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I'm trying to protect you. You see this, I'm helping you.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I'm gonna go next door and start my apology tours
the world, but especially my wife.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
I wasn't saying it was bad. I just was like,
it was interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Why is that she taught the kids, she carried the kids,
and she carried the kids on her hip, and then
she like grocery shops.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
I'm sure this doesn't argument. But I told her about
to breastfeed.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Okay, you've taught her to I'm sure she would find
that interesting.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Also, let's get her on the horn.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Let's car also an awful idea, so never want to
hear I taught my wife how to breastfeed again.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Ever, alright, well I had a good run.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
You can see why that was all I do. Think
you have a good sitcom pitch. Justin Worsham, the world's
first male lactation consultant.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I could see that coming up.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
No w B, everybody's going to use that talkback feature
right now and you're gonna get blown up on how
many people, how many guys know how to teach ala?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I have never done that. I know I just did
a child, but in my head, I I can't think
of anything that would be more infuriating than my husband
telling me how to make that s work. And I
almost said the real word, like that to me sounds
like the worst version of calm down I've ever heard,
(10:17):
Like you do it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
That is actual weaponized mansplain.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, the onion was to write an article about man splaining.
They would use my life example.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
That'll land on a dateline with Keith Morrison talking about
your life.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
This is why she is my soulmate because she found
it amusing.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
That's like she doesn't look at this.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It's like you have to.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
I'm never coming back here again.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You know we love you.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
I know. That's why it makes it so infuriating.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Twelve o'clock hour is coming up next. Gary and Shannon
will continue right after.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Use that then
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