October 30, 2024 • 10 mins
ICYMI: ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – A conversation with Rick & Marty Lagina, Hosts of the History Channel series ‘The Curse of Oak Island,’ which follows the brother’s quest on the south shore of Nova Scotia to “solve the 225-Year-Oak Island Mystery and find one of the greatest treasures of all time all while avoiding the legendary curse of the island” - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
There is an island in the North Atlantic.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Where men have been looking for treasure for more than
two hundred years.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
So far, they have uncovered booby trapped flood.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Tunnels, carved stones with strange symbols, seventeenth century Spanish coins,
and evidence of a wooden vault covered in concrete. Six
men have even lost their lives trying to solve the mystery,
(00:40):
and according to legend, one more will have to die
before the treasure.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Kennedy found.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Kim sixty. It's Later with Mo Kelly. We are live
everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. The History Channels hit series
The Curse of Oak Island, premiering its twelfth season on
November twelfth at nine pm, follows brothers Rick and Marty Lagina,
who used the latest technology in an effort to solve
one of the world's greatest mysteries and the treasure hunting
(01:15):
brothers of Rick and Marty join me right now on
the show. Rick, Marty, thank you both for coming on today.
How are you, gentlemen.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
We're doing well most Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Rick.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Let me start with you Treasure hunting, I need not
tell you as expensive, it can be physically dangerous.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
It often yields little or nothing in return.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
It probably seemed like a great idea back when you
were a kid reading that reader's digest, But what about
the reality as an adult?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Why do it at all?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Well, you know, there's there's many reasons. One is, certainly,
I get to do this with my brother and my
two nephews. I mean, for me, that's everything. Family is
important to us, right, and we get to do something
that you know, who amongst us, as you know, children
or even into young adulthood, isn't fascinated by the concept
(02:05):
the idea of treasure. I mean, that's just that's just
a remarkable thing to appreciate that one day you might
be able to actually do such a thing. So on
that level alone, it's interesting. But you're right, is that
a roller coaster ride? Sure? Not every day is do
you pull you know, treasure out of the girl? Not
(02:26):
every day are you do you say to yourself, well,
today was worth it, and there are some days when
it's not worth it. You are absolutely correct. But overall,
this is a world class treasure hunt, a world class mystery,
and I am exceedingly grateful to be a part of
it and really appreciate that the world literally has been
captivated by it. So on many levels, this is well
(02:48):
worth doing.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Marty.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
I know that, and you know that technology is arguably
better than ever and more suited for what you do
than ever. But how has technology made what you do
both easier and more focused?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
You know what the truth is, I've been disappointed.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
We have run drown penetrating radar, We've run magnetometers with drones,
We've thrown everything at it, even mwon technology and something
about call it the curse or call it the geology
of Oak Island has made that stuff unreliable.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
We have not Our best results have been researching and digging.
That's what our best results have been. And I thought
bringing technology to bear would solve this thing in a
year or two. Well here we are year twelve. But
it's still the discoveries keep coming and we're still you know,
excited to continue.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Rick.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Maybe this is going to be the answer through what
Marty just said.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
I get the mystery of Oak Island, but what exactly
has been the curse?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Or is the curse, well, the curse according to history
or the historical narrative is that the original umbr Oaks
must die and seven people must die in pursuit of
the treasure. Currently, six people have tragically passed actively engaged
in the search for answers, and all of the oaks,
(04:12):
the old Oaks, are are gone. That's historical narrative. I mean,
you know, we tried to track that backwards through time.
Unfortunately has been lost in the fog of time, so
we don't really know. But we do know this that
there are some we all have experienced some strange things
on this island, paranormal things, things we can't explain, and
(04:37):
it has quote unquote haunted just about everyone's efforts from
the past. How to explain that in a logical, science
based way not completely explainable. So there's something strange about
this island. Don't know exactly what, Marty.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
We know that something may be strange about the island,
and we know that they're good days and bad days,
more fruitful days and less fruitful days when you're digging
and searching. But do you ever get big picture, the
idea that you satisfied your curiosity, You've come to a
conclusion that there may not be this big find we've
(05:17):
exhausted all our resources, we've covered every portion of this terrain,
and maybe it might be time to go home.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Do you know if there is that specific.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Moment, oh that has happened many times, you know, you
get discouraged and think, oh, man, bloody hell, you know
this is just isn't going well. But then but I'll
tell you what has happened every year, and this year
is no exception. Is this island almost like it has
sort of a sort of personality offers up something that
(05:47):
makes you say, oh, this could lead us right to
where we need to go, and this makes it all
look very real. And this year those that same thing happened.
But yes, I've been discouraged, talk about throwing in the towel.
But you know, the islands, you know, hooks you with
something else.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I'm quite sure Rick, that you've learned plenty about Oak Island.
I'm quite sure you've learned a lot about the history
of Oak Island. But I also suspect that Oak Island
has taught you something about yourself, or taught yourself the
meaning or the value of things. What have you learned
about yourself or collectively about yourselves in this endeavor.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I've certainly learned about whether it's the passing of time
i e. My age, or or the pursuit of answers here,
but it has taught me patience. And I think we
in the modern era we see time in it from
a different perspective than it was seen long, long, long ago,
(06:51):
and I think that's valuable lesson to learn from history.
But the thing that has really been quite inspirational to me,
and I think to all of us, is that the
kindness and the support of people we don't know, people
who have come to really appreciate this mystery. They have
been inspirational to us. And look, in a world that
(07:14):
is somewhat divisive and difficult, when you can rally round
to the greater good, I think that's an important lesson
to learn. That each and every person on this planet
is valuable and important. And I think that's what I've
learned through the teamwork expressed here on the island. This experience,
again has been inspirational to me and to all of us,
(07:37):
I think, and that's an important thing to value and
have gratitude for.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
Here's what I've learned about myself. I'm not as smart
as I thought I was. That's what I've learned.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
All right, let me tweet that question just a bit,
and I want an answer from both of you, if possible,
Rick and Marty as I close out my conversation, You've
learned something about yourselves. You've obviously learned something about the eye.
But as brothers, how has this either changed, improved, or
impacted your relationship?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Just as siblings? Marty, did you want to go first?
Speaker 6 (08:11):
No, but I will.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
You know what, It's been a rollercoaster with that too.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Rick and I went different ways, you know, when we
grew up, and we are very alike at our core,
but very different in many ways. And how we think.
I mean, I'm I'm a lot more mercenary. I mean,
the producer of the show said, and he was a
very good student of human nature. He said, you know, Marty,
you're the man of science and Rick is the man
(08:38):
of faith. And that was, you know, too easy, but
it kind of sums it up. And we've had some
rocky moments. You know, we're brothers. We fight once in
a while. If we didn't, they'd be abnormal. And some
of this Oak Island stuff, when it's wearying, has caused
us to fight a little bit, but overall we're rock
solid and trying to put this thing to bed, figure
(09:00):
it out, put some treasure up on the on the ground,
and figure out a great mystery.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
We're still there. Life to me is about perspective, and
I think the real treasure, one of the real treasures
I have learned, is to you know, you learn things
about we learn things about each other, and how important
it is to value that. I mean, my brother has
approached this just from a treasure hunting perspective. Marty has
taught me that. You know, he says it to me
(09:27):
all the time. You know, yes, he can believe and
have faith and hope, but you also need the application
of logic and cold hard facts and science. So seeing
his perspective through his eyes has been a great learning
experience for me, and I really really appreciate it. And
(09:48):
you know, when your family being brothers, it's that much
more important to learn from each other because you experience
the same things and yet have a different perspective of
the outcome. And I value that tremendously. I think it's
been really important and in the maturation of myself of
(10:09):
who I am and who hopefully I will become.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Okay, time we argue, I want you to remember that
I'm right.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm going to take that into perspective, Okay.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I didn't want to start a thinking between the brothers.
The History Channels hit series The Curse of Oak Island
premiering it is twelfth season on November twelfth at nine pm.
Do not miss it.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Rick, Marty Lagina, thank you so much for coming on
this evening.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Thank you, moo appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Can't I AM six forty Live everywhere the iHeartRadio app
you're
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI
AM six forty
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
There is an island in the North Atlantic.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Where men have been looking for treasure for more than
two hundred years.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
So far, they have uncovered booby trapped flood.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Tunnels, carved stones with strange symbols, seventeenth century Spanish coins,
and evidence of a wooden vault covered in concrete. Six
men have even lost their lives trying to solve the mystery,
(00:40):
and according to legend, one more will have to die
before the treasure.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Kennedy found.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Kim sixty. It's Later with Mo Kelly. We are live
everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. The History Channels hit series
The Curse of Oak Island, premiering its twelfth season on
November twelfth at nine pm, follows brothers Rick and Marty Lagina,
who used the latest technology in an effort to solve
one of the world's greatest mysteries and the treasure hunting
(01:15):
brothers of Rick and Marty join me right now on
the show. Rick, Marty, thank you both for coming on today.
How are you, gentlemen.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
We're doing well most Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Rick.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Let me start with you Treasure hunting, I need not
tell you as expensive, it can be physically dangerous.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
It often yields little or nothing in return.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
It probably seemed like a great idea back when you
were a kid reading that reader's digest, But what about
the reality as an adult?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Why do it at all?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Well, you know, there's there's many reasons. One is, certainly,
I get to do this with my brother and my
two nephews. I mean, for me, that's everything. Family is
important to us, right, and we get to do something
that you know, who amongst us, as you know, children
or even into young adulthood, isn't fascinated by the concept
(02:05):
the idea of treasure. I mean, that's just that's just
a remarkable thing to appreciate that one day you might
be able to actually do such a thing. So on
that level alone, it's interesting. But you're right, is that
a roller coaster ride? Sure? Not every day is do
you pull you know, treasure out of the girl? Not
(02:26):
every day are you do you say to yourself, well,
today was worth it, and there are some days when
it's not worth it. You are absolutely correct. But overall,
this is a world class treasure hunt, a world class mystery,
and I am exceedingly grateful to be a part of
it and really appreciate that the world literally has been
captivated by it. So on many levels, this is well
(02:48):
worth doing.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Marty.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
I know that, and you know that technology is arguably
better than ever and more suited for what you do
than ever. But how has technology made what you do
both easier and more focused?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
You know what the truth is, I've been disappointed.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
We have run drown penetrating radar, We've run magnetometers with drones,
We've thrown everything at it, even mwon technology and something
about call it the curse or call it the geology
of Oak Island has made that stuff unreliable.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
We have not Our best results have been researching and digging.
That's what our best results have been. And I thought
bringing technology to bear would solve this thing in a
year or two. Well here we are year twelve. But
it's still the discoveries keep coming and we're still you know,
excited to continue.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Rick.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Maybe this is going to be the answer through what
Marty just said.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
I get the mystery of Oak Island, but what exactly
has been the curse?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Or is the curse, well, the curse according to history
or the historical narrative is that the original umbr Oaks
must die and seven people must die in pursuit of
the treasure. Currently, six people have tragically passed actively engaged
in the search for answers, and all of the oaks,
(04:12):
the old Oaks, are are gone. That's historical narrative. I mean,
you know, we tried to track that backwards through time.
Unfortunately has been lost in the fog of time, so
we don't really know. But we do know this that
there are some we all have experienced some strange things
on this island, paranormal things, things we can't explain, and
(04:37):
it has quote unquote haunted just about everyone's efforts from
the past. How to explain that in a logical, science
based way not completely explainable. So there's something strange about
this island. Don't know exactly what, Marty.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
We know that something may be strange about the island,
and we know that they're good days and bad days,
more fruitful days and less fruitful days when you're digging
and searching. But do you ever get big picture, the
idea that you satisfied your curiosity, You've come to a
conclusion that there may not be this big find we've
(05:17):
exhausted all our resources, we've covered every portion of this terrain,
and maybe it might be time to go home.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Do you know if there is that specific.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Moment, oh that has happened many times, you know, you
get discouraged and think, oh, man, bloody hell, you know
this is just isn't going well. But then but I'll
tell you what has happened every year, and this year
is no exception. Is this island almost like it has
sort of a sort of personality offers up something that
(05:47):
makes you say, oh, this could lead us right to
where we need to go, and this makes it all
look very real. And this year those that same thing happened.
But yes, I've been discouraged, talk about throwing in the towel.
But you know, the islands, you know, hooks you with
something else.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I'm quite sure Rick, that you've learned plenty about Oak Island.
I'm quite sure you've learned a lot about the history
of Oak Island. But I also suspect that Oak Island
has taught you something about yourself, or taught yourself the
meaning or the value of things. What have you learned
about yourself or collectively about yourselves in this endeavor.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I've certainly learned about whether it's the passing of time
i e. My age, or or the pursuit of answers here,
but it has taught me patience. And I think we
in the modern era we see time in it from
a different perspective than it was seen long, long, long ago,
(06:51):
and I think that's valuable lesson to learn from history.
But the thing that has really been quite inspirational to me,
and I think to all of us, is that the
kindness and the support of people we don't know, people
who have come to really appreciate this mystery. They have
been inspirational to us. And look, in a world that
(07:14):
is somewhat divisive and difficult, when you can rally round
to the greater good, I think that's an important lesson
to learn. That each and every person on this planet
is valuable and important. And I think that's what I've
learned through the teamwork expressed here on the island. This experience,
again has been inspirational to me and to all of us,
(07:37):
I think, and that's an important thing to value and
have gratitude for.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
Here's what I've learned about myself. I'm not as smart
as I thought I was. That's what I've learned.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
All right, let me tweet that question just a bit,
and I want an answer from both of you, if possible,
Rick and Marty as I close out my conversation, You've
learned something about yourselves. You've obviously learned something about the eye.
But as brothers, how has this either changed, improved, or
impacted your relationship?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Just as siblings? Marty, did you want to go first?
Speaker 6 (08:11):
No, but I will.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
You know what, It's been a rollercoaster with that too.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Rick and I went different ways, you know, when we
grew up, and we are very alike at our core,
but very different in many ways. And how we think.
I mean, I'm I'm a lot more mercenary. I mean,
the producer of the show said, and he was a
very good student of human nature. He said, you know, Marty,
you're the man of science and Rick is the man
(08:38):
of faith. And that was, you know, too easy, but
it kind of sums it up. And we've had some
rocky moments. You know, we're brothers. We fight once in
a while. If we didn't, they'd be abnormal. And some
of this Oak Island stuff, when it's wearying, has caused
us to fight a little bit, but overall we're rock
solid and trying to put this thing to bed, figure
(09:00):
it out, put some treasure up on the on the ground,
and figure out a great mystery.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
We're still there. Life to me is about perspective, and
I think the real treasure, one of the real treasures
I have learned, is to you know, you learn things
about we learn things about each other, and how important
it is to value that. I mean, my brother has
approached this just from a treasure hunting perspective. Marty has
taught me that. You know, he says it to me
(09:27):
all the time. You know, yes, he can believe and
have faith and hope, but you also need the application
of logic and cold hard facts and science. So seeing
his perspective through his eyes has been a great learning
experience for me, and I really really appreciate it. And
(09:48):
you know, when your family being brothers, it's that much
more important to learn from each other because you experience
the same things and yet have a different perspective of
the outcome. And I value that tremendously. I think it's
been really important and in the maturation of myself of
(10:09):
who I am and who hopefully I will become.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Okay, time we argue, I want you to remember that
I'm right.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm going to take that into perspective, Okay.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I didn't want to start a thinking between the brothers.
The History Channels hit series The Curse of Oak Island
premiering it is twelfth season on November twelfth at nine pm.
Do not miss it.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Rick, Marty Lagina, thank you so much for coming on
this evening.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Thank you, moo appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Can't I AM six forty Live everywhere the iHeartRadio app
you're
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI
AM six forty
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