October 10, 2024 • 6 mins
An update from the Bronwyn team: Listen to a taste of Episode 13, which kicks off Season 2.
The full episode is live now at bronwynpodcast.com, along with episodes 11 and 12.
Read more about this case and see photographs, maps, timelines and more at bronwynpodcast.com.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
I don't like him. I don't dislike him. I don't
respect him. I don't disrespect him. He's just a guy
I saw on the front page of the newspaper for
the first time four months ago, who happened to get
my mother pregnant.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
This is the voice of Lee, a woman now in
her early fifties. She's the daughter of John Winfield. She's
the product of a relationship he had as a teenager
with a girl in Sydney's sutherland Shire. Lee is speaking
in episode thirteen of Bromwyn, which is live now for
the Australian subscribers at bromwynpodcast dot com.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
That's all he is to me. He'll never be my dad.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
He'll never be my father, will never be mates, will
never sit.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Down and have a copper together.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I'll never break bread with him, purely because my grandmother
would be disgusted in me if I did.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm Claire Harvey from The Australian. What you just heard
is a small snippet from episode thirteen of Bromwyn, and
in a moment will bring you a little more of
this gripping interview that changes our picture of Bromwyn. Winfield's
husband John over at bromwynpodcast dot com. Our subscribers are
already listening to episode thirteen. That's the first episode of
(01:33):
season two. Episodes eleven and twelve are also there, by
the way. They are subscriber exclusives, and they're where Headley,
Mattie Walsh and I dig into some of the big
questions raised by season one. Episode thirteen and the rest
of season two will be subscriber first. That means, just
like season one, you'll be able to hear those episodes
(01:55):
right here wherever you listen to podcasts, but not until
a fortnite after our subscribers have heard them. That's because
subscriptions are the only way we can fund the kind
of deep, painstaking investigative journalism Headley darts. We're so grateful
to our loyal subscribers, and we reward them with early
(02:16):
access to episodes and some special bonus episodes like eleven
and twelve. Now I'm going to play you a little
more of what our subscribers are hearing right now at
Bromwin podcast dot com. Here's Headley.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
This first episode of season two is the story of
a woman fathered by John, a woman who wants nothing
to do with her father apart from her objective to
help Bromwin and her family get justice.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
We hear Headley with Mattie Walsh. She's Bromwin's cousin and
someone who's been an invaluable help to Headley in this investigation.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
All right, yeah, that's fine. Saturday morning. Saturday morning.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Tell me about this Facebook message?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Well, I actually got it at five pm yesterday, but
I didn't process it until today. I got a message
in my message request from a lady called Sonya and
it says, Hello Andy and Maddie reed jw. Does Jodie
(03:30):
realize she is not his firstborn child? I'm asking you
this as if she does, great, but if not, then
I'm thinking that could throw a spanner in the works
of her bond with her father. Perhaps the words needed
for her and Lauren to question his truths pre nineteen
seventy two. I don't really have any info on him,
(03:51):
except that the look in his eye and the way
he treated women as a seventeen year old was not
well received by a certain fifteen year old girl's mother,
my grandmother.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
This is the first contact from Lee, who will latter
sit down for a powerful interview in which she tells Hedley.
She previously went by the name Sonya. She's a fiercely
smart woman who ultimately agrees to talk to Headley about
her story, a story she's kept very close for her
entire life. In a way, the truth is as plain
(04:27):
as Lee's face, because, as we hear in episode thirteen,
she is the image of her biological father, John Winfield.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
The first time I ever saw his face was on
the front page of.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Istra when you saw the man you know is your
father for the first time, it was a photograph of him.
In relation to this podcast, Romman correct must have come
as quite a shop.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Honestly, I text my mom strayed away and said.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I'm growing my hair. You've just taken your cap.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Often when I first saw you downstairs in the lobby,
it was struck by the likeness.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
That part with my mum has been difficult. There's a
photo on my great aunt's TV and it's a photo
of me in a school uniform at twelve or thirteen.
And that photo on the front page where it has
a mustache when he's younger, that's me.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
That is that photo less than mustache.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And until I saw that, I never actually got what
Mom was saying, because sometimes she'd say to me, oh,
for God's sake, can you go and put a shirt
on it? I just can't see your arms or your
shoulders because I'm that much.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
For her, a resemblance you.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Said before that you were very hopeful there would be
a good outcome.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
What do you believe is a good outcome for the girls?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Then, knowing what happened to Bronwin, the glued, the bad,
the ugly, whatever it may be, they deserve to know
there's got to be the heaviest load.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
For them to carry.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Episode thirteen of Bromwyn is available right now at Bronwyn
podcast dot com, where the Australian subscribers get to listen first.
Over this weekend of October twelve and thirteen, twenty twenty four,
we'll also be releasing episode fourteen. Join us at bronwynpodcast
dot com
I don't like him. I don't dislike him. I don't
respect him. I don't disrespect him. He's just a guy
I saw on the front page of the newspaper for
the first time four months ago, who happened to get
my mother pregnant.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
This is the voice of Lee, a woman now in
her early fifties. She's the daughter of John Winfield. She's
the product of a relationship he had as a teenager
with a girl in Sydney's sutherland Shire. Lee is speaking
in episode thirteen of Bromwyn, which is live now for
the Australian subscribers at bromwynpodcast dot com.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
That's all he is to me. He'll never be my dad.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
He'll never be my father, will never be mates, will
never sit.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Down and have a copper together.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I'll never break bread with him, purely because my grandmother
would be disgusted in me if I did.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm Claire Harvey from The Australian. What you just heard
is a small snippet from episode thirteen of Bromwyn, and
in a moment will bring you a little more of
this gripping interview that changes our picture of Bromwyn. Winfield's
husband John over at bromwynpodcast dot com. Our subscribers are
already listening to episode thirteen. That's the first episode of
(01:33):
season two. Episodes eleven and twelve are also there, by
the way. They are subscriber exclusives, and they're where Headley,
Mattie Walsh and I dig into some of the big
questions raised by season one. Episode thirteen and the rest
of season two will be subscriber first. That means, just
like season one, you'll be able to hear those episodes
(01:55):
right here wherever you listen to podcasts, but not until
a fortnite after our subscribers have heard them. That's because
subscriptions are the only way we can fund the kind
of deep, painstaking investigative journalism Headley darts. We're so grateful
to our loyal subscribers, and we reward them with early
(02:16):
access to episodes and some special bonus episodes like eleven
and twelve. Now I'm going to play you a little
more of what our subscribers are hearing right now at
Bromwin podcast dot com. Here's Headley.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
This first episode of season two is the story of
a woman fathered by John, a woman who wants nothing
to do with her father apart from her objective to
help Bromwin and her family get justice.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
We hear Headley with Mattie Walsh. She's Bromwin's cousin and
someone who's been an invaluable help to Headley in this investigation.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
All right, yeah, that's fine. Saturday morning. Saturday morning.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Tell me about this Facebook message?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Well, I actually got it at five pm yesterday, but
I didn't process it until today. I got a message
in my message request from a lady called Sonya and
it says, Hello Andy and Maddie reed jw. Does Jodie
(03:30):
realize she is not his firstborn child? I'm asking you
this as if she does, great, but if not, then
I'm thinking that could throw a spanner in the works
of her bond with her father. Perhaps the words needed
for her and Lauren to question his truths pre nineteen
seventy two. I don't really have any info on him,
(03:51):
except that the look in his eye and the way
he treated women as a seventeen year old was not
well received by a certain fifteen year old girl's mother,
my grandmother.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
This is the first contact from Lee, who will latter
sit down for a powerful interview in which she tells Hedley.
She previously went by the name Sonya. She's a fiercely
smart woman who ultimately agrees to talk to Headley about
her story, a story she's kept very close for her
entire life. In a way, the truth is as plain
(04:27):
as Lee's face, because, as we hear in episode thirteen,
she is the image of her biological father, John Winfield.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
The first time I ever saw his face was on
the front page of.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Istra when you saw the man you know is your
father for the first time, it was a photograph of him.
In relation to this podcast, Romman correct must have come
as quite a shop.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Honestly, I text my mom strayed away and said.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I'm growing my hair. You've just taken your cap.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Often when I first saw you downstairs in the lobby,
it was struck by the likeness.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
That part with my mum has been difficult. There's a
photo on my great aunt's TV and it's a photo
of me in a school uniform at twelve or thirteen.
And that photo on the front page where it has
a mustache when he's younger, that's me.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
That is that photo less than mustache.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And until I saw that, I never actually got what
Mom was saying, because sometimes she'd say to me, oh,
for God's sake, can you go and put a shirt
on it? I just can't see your arms or your
shoulders because I'm that much.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
For her, a resemblance you.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Said before that you were very hopeful there would be
a good outcome.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
What do you believe is a good outcome for the girls?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Then, knowing what happened to Bronwin, the glued, the bad,
the ugly, whatever it may be, they deserve to know
there's got to be the heaviest load.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
For them to carry.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Episode thirteen of Bromwyn is available right now at Bronwyn
podcast dot com, where the Australian subscribers get to listen first.
Over this weekend of October twelve and thirteen, twenty twenty four,
we'll also be releasing episode fourteen. Join us at bronwynpodcast
dot com
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