Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball | Darren Waller

On this episode of "Rory and Mal Don't Know Ball" the guys are joined by former Oakland Raider, New York Giant, and NFL Pro Bowler, Darren Waller. Rory and Mal get Darren's take on the ATL club scene during his time at Georgia Tech, what makes Ludacris underrated, college athletes receiving NIL deals, his top 5 tight ends of all-time, and the launch of his music career #volume

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Today we are joined with once a Giant, always a
giant as far as un concerned. So today we are
joined with Georgia. This is your yellow jacket for life
as well. I think you know that. But today we
are joined with Darren Waller tight End New York Giants Raiders.
But I'm just just Giants, bro, I don't We don't
talk about other team you Giant for Life's.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Pleasure to meet you. We followed Kwan. I think has
some things to say about that.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I don't know if he feels like being a giant
life right now. He's an Eagle for life now.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, definitely. But Darren, thank you for joining us. Pleasure
to finally meet you. We've been following each other on
social media for a few years, so it's a pleasure
to have you in the studio with us today.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, we appreciate the sport you've been giving us over
the years as well. Absolutely, I know you don't know
much about this new segment show entity platform. It is
still very much new Royal Mall, but we over. I
don't know how many years, have talked to so many
athletes and all they want to do is talk about rap.
They never want to talk talk about it or they
want to rap. Yes, And I've found that they usually

(01:12):
have awful hip hop takes, like some of the worst ever.
So I am but there the same thing about my
sports takes. So it's okay, we're finding a common ground here.
But I do kind of want to start at the beginning.
I know you moved around a lot, from Maryland to
Colorado to Georgia. What were you listening to early on,
especially in starting out in Maryland.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah, so I was born in Maryland. I was there
for like a year, and then we moved to Colorado.
So I was like four, So I don't even remember
that time. I remember from Georgia just all the way gotcha,
And I remember my dad would play like all dirty
bastard in the whip. My dad's from Queens, what part
of Queens, Jamaica.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
He was giving you that real culture.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
So it was like and we came into the house
or something, me and my sister, and we were singeing
like ODB lyrics. My mom was like the here and
this to that ride with my dad, you know. So
but he was like, you know New York hip hop.
I know, he like gang star a lot most Yeah,
I stole his infamous mob Deep CD. That's a good

(02:14):
I loved. If you go steal a CD, that's the
one that still temperature rising was. I used to love
ride around drums ever, Yeah, so that was early on
for me. A lot of mom loved Michael Jackson and
all types of everything, and they love smooth jazz, watercolors.
They always go to jazz festivals and whatnot. So it
was a wide range.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
And your family is musical, right is your grandfather great grandfather?

Speaker 4 (02:37):
My great grandfather's fast Waller was like a legendary jazz pianist.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Soh so you guys have a lot of instruments in
the crib growing up, or they had.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Us playing piano at like four, taking lessons, and uh,
I was in band in middle school and then it
was like not cool to be in banded once you're
in high school.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, I feel like South is probably cooler than up here.
What being in the band?

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah? Nah?

Speaker 3 (02:59):
They you play sports in the South. Yeah, it's football,
like you mean, man like that in eighth grade, so
you know it's time to play ball. But once you
started like getting into junior high, high school, were you
still listening to your pops like ninety hip hop Ship,
were you starting to get more into what was happening
in Georgia?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I was getting into what's happening in Georgia. I loved
Ludacris as a kid.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
By my first two years of high school, I was
riding around listening to Gucci mixtapes all the time, but
I still kept the love for like like jay Z
Black Album was bigg in rotation on my CD player,
Kanye Graduation, Get Richard.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I trying like there's a whole bunch of.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
So on on the verses. What side was you on
between g Z and Gucci?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Man? I was trying to sit that one out because
it was just like.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Pick, but I was probably leading more leaned a little
bit more Gucci, but it was tough to be like, damn,
I gotta like not funck with That was such.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
An interesting time like that versus, because I think that
versus I learned a lot about exactly how many people
in Georgia.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
I always knew they fucked with Gucci, but.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
That night I learned I was like, oh no, it's
a different It's a level that I had no idea.
I think you had to be from Georgia to understand
exactly the difference between Gucci and GEEZI as far as
people from Georgia concerned.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, following Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
When I got to college, I started to understand more
because you know, people from the South, for some weird reason,
came up north to go to college and they started
explaining that Jez and Gucci shit to me as if
it was jah Ru and fifty cent, and I thought
they was fucking crazy. Then I got down to the
South and was like, oh, I get it. My bad,
I didn't realize that this was really all jay Z
and Nas at the moment.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
There.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
We're close in age, so I know we grew up
on similar music. To me, Ludacris might be the most
criminally underrated rapper of all time based off his desography.
No disrespect to Nelly. We saw what happened during COVID
and the verses. Everyone's like, Yo, Nelly's I'm in I agree,
Nelly's the man, but you're not fucking with Luda cleaned
him the fuck up. Yeah, Luda had been a personality,

(05:06):
an actor, a lot of where I even see rappers
going now, Luda was doing before Luda was on the radio,
before he was a rapper, luded to me is actually
the blueprint, especially from the South for a rapper. What
was Luda like growing up in Georgia, T y'all because
in New York to us, he was like a New
York rapper. He was wrapping his ass off over those
Southern beats. It was it was an easier way to

(05:27):
digest than say t I, who came a little later
that had more of a Southern accent where Luda didn't.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, Luda was I mean about pregames. So my first
pregame song was rollout.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Ludigris, Like that's first got a CD player every time.
But I feel like for me, for him, it was
like the personality that he put on records because a
lot of like Raper is like like tough Bravado. Yeah,
Ludacris would be funny, like he talked about women like
he's like and whatever, he's whatever he does, and it's

(05:58):
like his wordplay and the tones of his I was
just like it would make me laugh, Like I'm like yeah,
but like he would make me laugh, he would make
me be like hype, like it was just like something
that he was doing.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I was like, yeah, I'm fucking with him, like he's
just a personality like you said.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
And the way like of course you bring up Missy Buster.
All these amazing visual artists like their videos. But to me,
when I was a kid, Luda Chris had the best videos,
hands down to me, Like we waited on Luda's videos.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
You know, Luda definitely is one of those artists that
pushed visually. He pushed his art to another level. He
wasn't afraid to try different shit, to have fun, be funny,
even make fun of himself wearing the big sneakers and
all of that.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
You know, he was.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Definitely an artist that looking back where it was like, yo,
he can really rap, but like he's not afraid to
have fun either though. But when he give you those records,
it's like, yo, I don't know if it's too many
dudes that could rap better than than him, but he didn't.
I don't think he got that respect because he was
so animated. And it's like, you know, a rap you
kind of have a hard time. We like cool, we

(07:00):
can emulate, like if I put on the song, I
want to be able to rap like that. You don't
want to be too animated and rapped like Ludacris because
it's like people gonna look at you, like, what's up
with this dude to be okay? But when you listen
to what he's saying, he's getting off, like he's really
getting his shit off. So I think it was just
that he was, you know, he was having a good time.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
He threw his.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Music, wanted people to have fun, dance. But I also
respected Ludo because he was when those when the music
called for it, and especially when he did features. Like
when Luda was doing features, I think he went in
there knowing I'm clean. I don't care who else is
on this record. I'm cleaning them up. They have a
hard time rapping better than me, and that I think
that was That's why I like Lude a lot, because
he had fun, but when it was time to get busy,

(07:41):
he also could do that too.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Took it there.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah. He actually have a funny Luther story that I've
never told on our pod mea Aristotle. We did a
video for Luda a while ago, and he pulled up
to set driving a tour bus like he had he
was driving the tour He pulled up in the tour
bus driving I was like, all right, that's weird, but
all right, I'm with it. And once we started talking more,

(08:05):
he was like, yeah, it's not like a gimmick. I
know everyone in Atlanta sees me driving around on this tour bus.
I have lost half a million dollars on every single
tour because of the tour bus fees. And I just
wanted to buy a tour bus, so saved my fucking money.
And this is also the guy that has fast and
furious money at this point. This wasn't like early right,
this is this is legacy looting, right, and he's still
doing that. Like he also on the business side. I

(08:28):
know you joke around, we were really drinking loutiac. I
don't know in Atlanta. If you was at Georgia, we
were drinking looty. Yeah twenty ten, we were drinking one
hundred percent drinking LOUTI.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yea, yeah, I didn't do the lootiac. Wasn't my brain.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
I didn't do that. But who were some of your
other favorite rappers coming out of just Georgia period?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Uh? Yeah, geezy, Like I said, Gucci, like it was
tough to see that war go down. Pastor Troy had bangers.
That was probably it because I was like a blend.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Those are like my South guys that got me in
the door to Like then the new era was like
who I really loved, like Thug's future, like seeing them
from like live mixtapes era on up it was just
like a tree, like even Metro like starting his own
projects at like nineteen years old, like seeing that whole rise.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
So, I mean, your pop's playing you old dirty bastard,
mob deep, et cetera. It wasn't a little difficult getting
into Thug and some of that stuff just because you
grew up on more boombab type of rap.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I don't know what it was.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
I always had like an open mind of this music,
like I'm listening to like I remember I had a
vivid memory of crying when I heard the song by
Daughtry when I was in middle school.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Okay Daughtry Wow.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Like I'm like, I'm listening to all different types, like
any kind of music like can stoke up a feeling
in me or I love listening to it. So it's
like it wasn't just like one genre was like my
cup of tea.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
It was like I feel like, did Dodgy start on
an American idol?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Bruh Home by Dadge.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
How do I remember that? Like that was the wame.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Banger bro right on.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Getaway Boys, Dawtrey is crazy. I would never would have
guessed you.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah, I mean any Yeah, I love even like the
like the rock music from back in that era because
I mean I like a lot of white homies back
the Inn, like all American rejects of course, oh yeah,
my Chemical Romance bangers back there.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah, that era of like alternative rock was incredible. I
wish it continued on or maybe I'm just out of touch.
I feel like that whole genre is just going that far.
Alternative slash pop.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I think I think, you know, it's fun. I think
a lot of that has to do with TRL no
longer being around.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, I mean a.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Lot of that, A lot of that helped, Like TRL
helped kind of like push that into every home, like
because like I said, we if people look at us,
they I would never think you listened to Daughtry my
Chemical Romance, but you probably watched t r L pretty
much every day. And that's how I got introduced to
a lot of that ship was watching TRH. So I
think that kind of like killed the whole alternative rock.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, wave what was your first ringtone Mike Jones back then.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
On a singular wireless Sony ericson flip phone.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Absolutely, I mean naturally, Yeah, yeah, I did a lot
of did not want me.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Straight up.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
That's hilarious. It's funny that the ringtone validate that. Like,
I know, it's not a whole call, not at all.
Definitely just the homies. I mean, what were the girls
listening to in high school with you? Because I was
so much like on not more like rap nerdy shit
because I was into Mike Jones and a lot of

(11:32):
like more of the South ship that was popping, even
snap music. But I was still very much in my
own bubble of underground rap that didn't really relate to
the pretty girls I was trying to like finger sorry
to be explained, it was high school man. Yeah, natural,
So that was always like a big dis disconnection when
it came to music and women in high school for me.
Did you run into that at all? She was raised

(11:55):
the old dirty bastard. They wasn't trying to hear that.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
I feel like if you was in then usher Chris Brown,
yeah side of things like you was using the right spot.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, when you in playing sports when you got into sports.
Who are some of the people that you definitely can
contribute like a lot of your workout regimen to like
what was playing, Like what music was were you listening
to before game days? What are the artists that you
were like before a game, I have to listen to.

(12:23):
This artist is the artist that gets me in that
in that zone.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
I feel like that's where like the trap music part
of Atlanta started coming in. So it's like seeing the
rise of I mean all through Floka Thug from the
very very earliest days future from the earliest days. We're
always in rotation a little bit in there, like I said,
jay Z, but that's mostly where like the Atlanta scene

(12:49):
of music came in. Was like gott to be playing
the drums before game days, and that was like what
everybody in high school wanted to listen to.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
So there's no there's no R and B before game.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Nah my taste four games even all like once I'm
in the once I'm in the league, Like it depends
on how I was feeling that day. There's times I
went out there and I think there's a game where
we played Jacksonville in like twenty nineteen, I had like
one hundred in the first half. I was listening to
like Fred Hammond and Marvin Sap before the game, like
and then, but then there'd be some games where I'll
listen to like piano music or like fucking Chaker healing music.

(13:21):
But then there's days where I'm out there and it's
just straight it's like Westside Gun or it's a little
baby like it's just all over the place.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah, well, I mean, what's the difference going into those
games of warning to go with healing music versus West
Side Gun screaming boom boom boom.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, that's the feel. It's kind of how I wake
up and feel that morning.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
You know. It's like most times people are like, all right, Sunday,
They're ready to go. There's some days where it's like
I had a two hundred yard game once, so I
woke up that morning. I was like, I don't know
how I'm gonna play a football game. I went out
the warm ups. I didn't even have pants on over
my leggings. I look crazy. But it's so those days
I kind of tempered my music around, like how I'm
feeling that morning. That would have me because you gotta
be calm when you go out there, you got to
be like that edge to you. But at the same time,

(14:01):
you got to be calm. There's a lot of shit
you gotta process much that you got to execute. Yeah,
So niggas be too hype out there sometimes and forget
they got to do a job.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, And I mean when you're playing with the Raiders,
because that just comes with you know, even leaving Oakland
and going to Vegas, they still have that reputation of
having those crazy fans death metal and shit. Was it
tough trying to like warm up before a game and
they're trying to cater to the fans rather than you.
As far as music, because I've been to if your
Raider game that's it's just heavy metal and shit that's

(14:29):
playing the entire time. That would annoy the fuck out
of me.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yeah, and yeah, the music is like you can't even
pick up on what they're trying to do. It's like,
is this, like you said, is this catered to players?

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:38):
I mean at least with the giants like wil As
DJ and the shit, and it's cool. With those Raiders games,
it's just Harley Davison music the entire time. But that's
a different.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
I think the Raider and you could probably speak to this, Darren,
what is the culture, like the difference in the culture
going from the Raiders organization to the Giants, because Raider
culture is a whole different front animal. Like the ship
that I see, I'm like, I get his football. But
like some of these people, like they followed these fans
to their homes and like they have Raider homes. Like

(15:10):
what is the difference in the culture and an environment,
Like when you got to the Raiders versus the Giants,
what was the culture change?

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah, those fans as you described, like they're outside the
gate that you drive in every single day.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
There's dudes out there, like on Thanksgiving and Christmas. It's like,
where's your family? My boy? Like like the damn We
had a janitor that came from Oakland to Vegas.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
He ended up getting in some trouble and they kicked
him out, but he had like John Gruden portraits tatted
on him like Raiders.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
The janitor bro Migo shout of Migo.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Man.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
I don't know where Migo is at, but wherever you at,
man the Raider shrine at his house, Like he would
show us pictures like yeah, so those fans are really crashed,
like their whole body'll have a whole Raiders sleeve.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
John Gruden never see that. Like when he was in
the bathroom taking a piss and the janitor was there,
like yo, John, check it out. Shirt off and show
John's chests while he's in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Hed pull a service on the players.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
So he's a lifeer.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
He's like somebody that has been So they just kept
him at the janitor position. They didn't want to like
elevate him a little bit in an organization, elevated to
just let him mop.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Was working over time, mobbed some passions, doing with passion.
I get that part, get getting a John Gruden tattoo.
That being a janitor at the Raiders stadium would be
like the apex job, right, you can't be like that.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
That's the CMO.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, yeah, I have John. That's the best job ever. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Like he's just he just wants to be in the building.
He's one of those guys. He's let me be in
the building every day.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Would take and be the clip in him. He'd take
bullys for the radio.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah yeah, see that's that's that's the type of fan
base that I think is a little just too aggressive.
I get football is aggressive sport, but you see people
like that. I love it, but it's like watch him
because we don't know what he's libel.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
It's like Raiders, Eagles, the Jets to some degree are
more like college for ball fans to me than they
are NFL. Shit, Like, did you have any of that
at Georgia Tech? Because people obsessed over college football, I
feel like more than NFL.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Georgia Tech was a strange crowd, Like the average fan
was like fifty plus.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
It's like a weird demographic.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
There's like Georgia Tech is probably the safest place you
can ever go watch a football game.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, it's probably because, like it's all the wild people
are bulldogs fans. I would assume they're more of like
the so pretentious people would be like, I'm with Tech. Yeah,
you're downtown.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Forty eight year old's fucking barking shit.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, because you got there. What twenty eleven, twenty eleven, yep?
What was going on in the city of Atlanta club wise?
Music wise?

Speaker 1 (17:37):
At that point?

Speaker 4 (17:40):
I mean shit, we wouldn't even really go into the clubs.
We were going to these bars and buckhead where they
were they had like welfare Wednesdays, like news was broke.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
This was not. There was no nil Wednesday. There was
no nil back.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Then, all those fifty year old fans isl was.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
You get on the bus to go to the game
on Saturday. They give you fifteen dollars. They said, make
this last till Monday.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Fifteen dollars.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
That's like double mc chicken epic vodka, like plastic bottle. Wait, wait,
that'll hold me to money.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Wait, they give you fifteen dollars and make it last. Yeah,
fifteen dollars. Yeah yeah, So y'all are so your student athletes?
You're selling out. You're selling out the arena on campus
every weekend yep selling jerseys. What does that do to
a player who is getting fifteen dollars family struggling back home?

(18:31):
Obviously you have dreams and aspirations of going pro one day.
What does that do for your mindset? Knowing like, okay,
I have fifteen dollars to last week for three days.
My family's back home struggling, Like, how does that motivate
you as a player, Like, I got to make sure
I'm doing what I do out here because I got
my whole family. I got to take care of and
it's fifteen dollars a week.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Ain't cutting it well, I mean, motivate you as a player,
but it's also like I'm just about to start stealing shit,
my boy, Like.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, that's I'm like, I'm about to just start stealing
this fifteen dollars coming in a position there's nothing else
to do.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, gotta start evaluating all licks possible.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
But like seeing your jersey in the stands, knowing that
people paid for that, knowing that university is making money
off of that, like that has to kind of piss
a play off Like, yeah, it's like this this is crazy.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah, hopefully they'll get it right one day. But then
now it's like, you see, the other thing was Penn State.
They had a young receivercar touchdown, he got up. This
motherfucker had diamond teeth and he's eighteen years old. I
was like, we swung that bitch to the other end
of the spectrum.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Now, yeah, but how do you look at that as
a player who had your time when again it went
from fifteen dollars. So now a lot of these players
coming in, they have these nil deals who might not
be better than Darren Waller was coming out of high
school right going into college and now you see these
young collegiate athletes making all of his money social media
going crazy.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
What does that do to you?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Like, damn, Like I missed out on all of that
when it because I was definitely better than this kid
and in il is fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
I feel like I'm in a place now in my
life where it's like I actually like love seeing them
have that opportunity, you know, because but at the same time,
I feel like there's certain character lessons you learned having
like eight dollars in your bank account, that's a fact. Yeah,
and not having that money because like at eighteen, you
get muscles going in with ms out of high school
like they're the bread winners. It's just like mom telling

(20:18):
you to take the trash out you like, yeah, yeah,
I'm bringing the money on it. Like yeah, it's a
different environment.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
But that's a cool perspective though, because I really would
feel like, yo, you guys, owe me back pay on
all these shit, Like there's no way that I did
all this. And it's the same way like when people
have been locked up for weed for fifty years now
it's legal and just like, let me the fuck out,
I hear it's the same thing. That is an interesting perspective.
I have a way lesser version of that when I
look at college. I went to like a commuter school,

(20:45):
and I think about if I would have went to
a school in the South, it would have been a
better experience. But there's no way I would have been
kicked out in the first week. Like, I don't know
if I'd ever stay focused. And I think about that
with certain college athletes. Would you have stayed as focused
if you had money like that?

Speaker 4 (21:01):
I don't think so, because I mean, I'm like, I'm
full blown drug addict, alcoholic at this time.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Like, yeah, you wouldn't have gold teeth. It would have
been a whole different thing.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
No, it would have been like a brick, Yeah, shaving
that bitch every day. But but yeah, it would have
been Yeah, I would have been I probably wouldn't have
made it out of a car.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
I barely made it out as it was.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
You know, I fucking drk got into an accident going
the wrong way, just fucked up behind the wheel, like
just shit like that happening in college. Yeah, you would
have gave me one hundred thousand million dollars, Like because
if I had one hundred dollars my banker, I'm like, shit,
we we up?

Speaker 1 (21:39):
What were we doing tonight?

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
That is a that's a great way to look at it,
Like you knowing who you are as a person and
knowing if you had access oh to this money and
things like that, like you know, it probably would have
fueled a bigger animal that you have, you know what
I mean? The nil thing I think, I don't know,
I'm kind of While I do like the fact that
players are making money in college because obviously these universities

(22:03):
are making billions of dollars over these players, I kind
of feel like just looking at it, it's kind of
watering down the competitiveness.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
To me, even an extent the talent.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Like I look at a lot of these, uh specifically
these basketball players in college, and you know, you see
all of these the highlights on social media. They have
all these clips and once House of Highlights post them.
You know, it's like they they social media goes crazy.
But then I look into it, like I'm looking at
a highlight. Everybody looks good on the highlight tape, right,
I'm looking at how I'm like, damn, who is this kid?

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Like yo?

Speaker 2 (22:38):
He's he looked like he could be the next one.
But then I go and I look at what he's average,
and I'm like, he's only averaging eight his highlight table,
like he's averaging thirty five.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
That's a fires eight.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
But then exactly the eight look crazy when social media
then just two breakaway windmill dunks or you know, it's
a fucking eighty R reception.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
But it's like, yeah, that was his only catch for
like three months, so like.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, you make a great point.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Man.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
It's I feel like for the young dudes, it's like
the priorities are changing as opposed to it's getting a
bag and being blown up on social media as opposed
to like developing and being excellent at your craft. And
it's like, how can you blame them? That's what's in
their face, is being shown as that's the most valuable.
So it's like, yeah, like I said, there's lessons you
learn in college, like if you're not the starter like

(23:24):
you and back in the day, you just grind and
wait your turn and then earn your spot in time
as teaching you valuable lessons. But now it's like if
they don't put ketchup on your sandwich, in the cafeteria
niggas is transferring like it's a whole different game, Like
any sign of adversity, They're trying to go somewhere else,
and it's like they want the instant gratification of like
a big play that goes viral as opposed to like

(23:44):
I never had any major plays, but it's like the
consistency that I was able to develop help me to
build a career.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
And I don't know if that's really on their minds.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, And I think even just getting into that trendsfer
portal has become easier with social media because's more accessible
to get. Even if you were a backup to have
a few highlights, you can pass those off easily to
another coach, where that was way more difficult, Like thinking
about transferring if you was just a backup was very,
very difficult at one point. How you could just start
sending shit out the clip like, hey, look at this,

(24:12):
I'll go in the portal and figure it.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Out, right.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yeah, used to have to sit out a year if
you went somewhere, So it's like it's a big decision
transfer Now I'm fucker's just going right into school and
putting an uniform on and stepping out.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, I watched I watched a few interviews of you
over the last few years, and one thing I do
admire about you is you're very self aware. You're very
aware of who you are. You have no problem speaking
about your highlights and your low lights, and I think
that's very admirable. A lot of people like to speak
about when things are great and all, you know, the highlight,

(24:43):
the dope shit. But you, I've noticed you're the type
of person that you don't mind talking about exactly who
you are. You're unapologetic about who you are. Where is
Darren Waller today? When it comes to number one? Mental health?
Physically you look like you still you still can go,
You still you still can play. But where's Darren at
mentally as as as a as a man?

Speaker 1 (25:06):
A lot more at ease these days?

Speaker 4 (25:07):
I would say, for like most of my life, and
you know, towards the end of my career, I feel
like it was just like I'm entertaining, I'm good at this,
but I'm like, how much of my choosing to be here?
It's kind of like I'm like putting a mask on
of like, yep, I'm loving doing this shit, Like I'm here, like,
you know, you can't just be like I don't want
to hook be here like, but so it was just

(25:29):
kind of dealing with that, and I don't know if,
like most of my life, I was trying to fit
this image of who the world wanted me to be,
and I feel like it just started to crumble and
just eat away at me. And it's like, you know,
you turn to so many different things to just try
to cope with that shit. And now it's like I'm
able to finally be like, yeah, like I don't want
to entertain it anymore, Like I kind of want to
express myself more through art and just figure out what

(25:51):
the fuck I want the rest of my life to
look like and walk away. Whereas before I would never
make a decision like that, especially if it meant the
loss of a lot of people's approval, I would never
make a decision like that. But to I guess, develop
the courage to make a decision like that and go
through some you know, real life shit over the past year.
So I mean to be like, all right, like I

(26:12):
feel like I'm getting closer to figuring out, all right,
what do I want my life to look like? Because
I don't want to keep getting to these places where
everybody thinks, like, man, his life's got to be great,
where I'm behind the scenes, like I'm putting up a smile,
but it ain't really my life like.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
I wanted to do. You think football was directly connected
to your substance abuse early on.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
In ways?

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Yeah, Man, I feel like some of the lowest points,
like my first two years of high school, like I
was really small, I had big ears, big feet, Like
I was getting roasted, Like I wasn't playing on the team.
So it's just like puck, like I don't know what
I'm gonna do. But then I started to get right
around the time I started using, and I got bigger
and started being on the team, so it's kind of

(26:55):
tied together. It's like, oh shit, just a recipe, Like
this is how I just you know, calm down, take
the edge off. Yeah, And it's kind of realizing how
like addictive thinking works. It's like the highs that you
get from football and like making the play and like
everybody's like watching you and like reporting on you and
all that stuff is like I don't know what else
could really compare to that. So it's like feeling those

(27:19):
like I want to feel that shit again. It's kind
of like that addictive personality was in football too, because
it's like the whole grind, the whole total picture of
what it means to be a football player. I didn't
love all of it. I love being out there and
getting into a flow and making plays and being like
I cannot be stopped today period, Like that's an unmatched high.
So I feel like that's what I was kind of
doing throughout my football career because it's like there's a

(27:41):
lot of times where I'd be like uninterested or like
just kind of just like like I'm here, I'm gonna
get my best effort.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
But yeah, it's different versions of dopamine. At the end
of the day. Facts did it get I'm sure it
did get much worse when you got to college and
just having the access and probably no supervision when you
were in college with the subs. It's abuse with football.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Oh man, Yeah, I remember, you know, your parents come
help you move in there, like all right, son, like
and you like, really you got to hear it. You
gotta take it from here. As soon as my parents
walked out. It's like at the same time, like some
of the dudes that were sophomores down the hall came
in with an ever clear bottle and put it on
the table and was like what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I was like, where you know I could fit in
doing this?

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Like you know. We had a friend of the show,
Ashley Ashley Nicole mass on another day and I was
telling her. I was like, I have this thing where, well,
I don't club anymore, but back when I used to club,
whenever I saw football players coming to the club, I
would leave because.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Y'all have this certain aggression. First of all, y'all might.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Walk in with no shirt and just all your jewelry
on number one, Like, I know you have teammates that
you can remember.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
I just had an epiphany because there was me in
my roommate in college out of and we would be
like a couple of the only football players they were
let in the frats because we would be like more
till we're just trying to smoke a little bit like drink,
Like we're not trying to come in here and be like.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
This my shit, that's the shit I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
But we would be like, yo, can we bring the
teammates through?

Speaker 4 (29:08):
And it'd be exactly what you just described and they'd
be like, y'all can't bring the y'all just.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Know y'all stronger than everybody in here. And I think
football players know that.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Like I told Ash, y'all said, y'all have football players
have this this helmet thing because people don't know that
their faces because they have helmets on all the time.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
So when they get in the public, it's like, yo,
I press three eighty.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
And this whatever whoever want to do, Like, fam we
need to listen to the R and B like are
you coming here with no shirt on and you ready
to fight and body slam everybody? But you can relate
to that because you know, obviously people say the same
thing about you and your teammates, like y'all are cool.
Y'all seem to be the cool four players. The rest
of your homies leave them outside of the frat.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
We don't want that.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
What is that agreas Is that because y'all are just
so aggressive in nature for what y'all do for a living,
that y'all carry that on into like I call it
civilian life because we're just civilians.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
We don't.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
I don't press three eighty. I watch you on Sunday
but I'm not trying to get into a tussle with
Darren Waller in the club.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'm not trying to do that.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yeah, I got to think of it from the mindset
of like football player, like our whole life, we're being
rewarded for imposing our will on people and being celebrated
for it, Like we love the way you just take
over and dominate. And so it's like it's hard for
a lot of people to flip that switch on and off.
It's like any type of environment I'm in, I need
to assert my dominance in this environment.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
And so that's why it's like.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
I mean even like I don't even want to condone
anything that like like like a Ray Rice situation. It's
like when put into a jam or a spot where
your body, like your nervous system gets activated. It's like
you're like, all I've done my whole life and succeed
in is just like my way out or like and
so it's like that's embedded, I feel like in so
many guys to where it's like they go into environments

(30:51):
like I gotta let y'all.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Know, yeah, that's that's when my exit.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
So with the DJ shout out, yo. So so the
defensive line and I'm like, yo, i'm hot here. Yeah,
you'll have a good night, right, That's just me. But
once I hit a D lineman is in there, I'm like, yeah,
I'm out. A couple of Wilde receivers, cool, tight ends cool.
The offensive guys seem to be a little cooler than
the defensive guys right in the club in civilian life, Yeah,
you're a linebacker.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
It's time.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
I'm going home. Well, I mean outside, I think ego
just in general too. You being in Atlanta at one point,
then Baltimore, than Vegas, than New York, those are like
four insane club cities. I'm sure you ran into a
lot of rappers or let's say, pharmaceutical people that are
used to controlling a club, and then an NFL player

(31:37):
walks in and that tends to have some type of
clash that I've seen in the past.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Oh yeah, bottle wars.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Have you been through any of that in the four
cities that you were in while you were a star.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
I've seen it a little bit. I've never really been
too much of a club guy, like here and there.
Once I got once I got sober, I kind of
just fell off but yeah, I've seen it's all and
people want to challenge the.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Football players like I can get I can get bitches
in here too, Like it's just like that game is
that game is wicked.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
What's the craziest shit You've seen a teammate doing the club?
And when did you know your teammate was filthy rich?
Because you every player has that moment where you like,
I'm making money, but he's making money.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
I had never been in the club where it was
the big money dudes was in there throwing like I
heard like stories of like Mike Wallace, like thirty in
the club was nothing.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah, it's a.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Regular night, yeah, light day. Yeah, But I had never
actually been in there when that was happening. Like the
times I've been to the club or been to like
a strip cloor whatever. It's like I spent three thousand
dollars on a section once, like I'm just wanting niggers.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Like to be in here playing this game, which are right?
What was it Vince Young or Steve McNair. Someone spent
like forty thousand dollars at Applebee's and I was like,
all right, man, which at.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Apple's fiscally impossible.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
It was running back. It was something insane. It was
either Vince Young or Stemen. It was definitely like the franchise.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
I didn't understand grant is the franchise, Like, you can
have this if I'm the manager that Applebee's and somebody
comes and run for forty thousand, sir, you can have
this entire establishment.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
We need an explanation.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
It was TGI Fridays Vince Young. TGI Friday's had to
run because.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Of Vince Young. They kept them moving.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
You have to like, so.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
When you first got to the Ravens, was Baltimore club
music kind of an eye opener? Was that a weird situation?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah? I didn't know. I didn't know what to do
with that.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
You're not how to swing that ship. Did know how
to do anything?

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Nah, nothing about that.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
I've talked to a lot of people that just end
up as athletes in the d m V area, and
when they have to hear Go Go and any Baltimore club,
They're like, I think I want to get traded. This
is the craziest ship I've ever heard speaking of that.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Who is your Who's a teammate that you can remember
for having the absolute best taste in music and the
worst taste in music, Like you get in the locker room,
you're like, oh, here he go with this ship.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
You know exactly what you're gonna get from any football
player from the state of Louisiana.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Whosi No these new the new y ends like.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
That just straight young what's the rob four nons?

Speaker 1 (34:26):
And yeah the whole life, which is like, I mean,
it's it's further what we're about to go do. It's
it's great music.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
But it's like they'll come in, it'll be six am,
and it's like, dog, we need some like some soul
in your life, bro, Like let's get your spirit the rest. Bro.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
How does that work in the locker room? Though? Who's
going to control the music?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Whoever get it first? Rus?

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Is that how it is?

Speaker 2 (34:51):
So it's like it's just once, it's just a sound
system for an entire locker room. Like each each locker
I have my little Beats pill and I could listen
to my ship.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
So the new facility in Vegas they had like the
you can control the whole locker room with somebody get
the somebody whoever gets to the ox first. But then
there would be times like in the Oakland locker room
they spook. He would have his own speaker in his
locker and he would be doing like kind of like
a little like block party type shit, and like he
would make the rookies rap and uh and just would

(35:20):
just be in their host and he was in I
like that.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
So it's you get a whole lot of different environment.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Me instead of giving the game balls, should just be
here's dogs of the record. Yeah, whoever played the best,
Here you go.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
That's like that has to be like an honor to
be like for the team, they'd be like, yo, Darren,
you got the ox Court.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
What do you play first?

Speaker 2 (35:36):
If you get the ox Court and it's the biggest
game of the season, you got the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
You got the Chiefs. What's a great beat? I feel
like the best pre game beat of all time might
be the Family Ties baby keeam Okay, yeah, something about horns.
It is like getting ready something great. Probably be the
first first beat I'm playing.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
I feel like when I was in high school, we ready.
I think it was Bubba Sparks and Archie or some
ship that was the go to any football game, no
matter what school he was playing, they played that first.
That might be like top five football anthems to me.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, yeah, I remember fucking coming up in Georgia. Pastor Troy.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah anything Pastor Troy is going off for the football game.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, and vice versa will have a nigga ready to
just blackout.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
We have a.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
We have a new label mate. We shout out to
the volume with with the volume Now, Shannon Shark. Yeah,
where the Shannon rank on your all time tight end list?

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Man, Shannon Sharp was tough too, not according to Skip, but.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
I don't know if he's top five, but that cannot
be take it as an insul whatsoever. So who's your
top five? He's got to be in There's gotta be
in there. Antonio Gates has to be in there, got
to be there.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Who else? Off numbers?

Speaker 4 (37:11):
You gotta put Jason Witten in there, and you gotta
put Tony Gonzalez in there. I'm not mad at that
far so and then after that, I mean, a dude,
that made me think that I could play tight end
with my bill because I played receiver first.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Jimmy Gramley's on the Saints was different, but I mean
I could.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
I could make an argue for Shannon Sharp at six right,
But it's man it's so many a lot of good
tight ends.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
In the fact, I'm leaving some some people out probably
too with who I just named that that.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Five is is solid Shannon just from watching the game.
Shannon is in my top five.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Though.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I like Antonio Gates, but I think i'm I think
I go Shannon Sharp before Antonio Gates though.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, I saw more of Antonio Gates with my age.
I caught like the very tail end of that Broncos
team with Shannon Sharp. Antonio Gates was the man was different.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I was and never played football like he was out.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
There running like a four to three up the seam
as a tight end.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
He was different, different, foul bro No, he was listening.
That's that five is incredible. But me, my personal I
don't think I can name five Titans better than Shanni.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'm not mad at that either.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, what was that transition? Like, going from wide receiver
tight end in the NFL not college, Like, that's a
whole different monster to change position.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Yeah, so I feel like I had some there's some
solid vets that tight end in Baltimore, like that Ben
Watson played in the league for a long time. He
was kind of there, like giving me some pointers and
then like past game, being a receiver, I just had
to learn how to like navigate because now you're trying
to gather away a d lineman and linebackers and they're
trying to fucking hit you and shit. But it was
the fucking run blocking. This was twenty sixteen. We had

(38:48):
Terrelle Sucks at the time. Matt Judon was a rookie.
Who's the All Pro now, Elvis Duomerville. I don't know
if you remember who that is. Then he was All
Pro with the Broncos. Who else was there is the
Darius Smith was a rookie.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
He was in my class. And I'm having to block
these dudes every day and they're fucking.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Caving me into the backfield, like anytime they run a
run play behind me, Like there's like if you were
in like a wide zone play, you basically just got
to keep him at the line of scrimmage. But they're
so strong and I'm so I'm just like new at this.
I don't know how to block in this setting. They're
driving me five yards in the backfield. A run play
can't get started. They got to cut back and do
all some crazy shit. But it was like going through

(39:29):
that period was like kind of broke me in to like,
all right, I have to do this because if I
only come in on passing down, they're gonna be like,
all this nigga does catch, but you got to learn
to be out there ninety percent of the snaps so
they can't pick up on the offensive tendencies. So yeah,
you gotta hold your own out there. But that was
a good time for me.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Speaking of that, who was the first player or when
was the first time in the NFL that you got
hit and you started reconsidering this line of work.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Well, I didn't reconsider I was. It was Dante Whitner.
You remember him, say for the forty nine ers. He
was like one of the last breed of safeties. That's like,
you come over here, I'm knocking you old ship off right,
And yeah, I ran like a so we ran like
a play action roll out. I'm running an over route
across the field and I'm like, you could see something

(40:18):
out of your peripherals, but I think he was like
in the deep half, so I'm like I didn't even
really feel him there, and I'm like, oh, this is up,
Like I catch this, I'm turning fuck hit me in
my chest and I got a concussion.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Because my neck just went like the crash.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Like the crash commercials. Yeah yeah, and like and I hit.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
The ground and I'm on like the if you're looking
at the field from like a bird's eye. I'm on
the numbers on the right side. Our sideline was all
the way on the other side. I crawled to like
the midfield logo. I was like, I got to get
up for my own pride. I gotta get up. I
gotta get up. And then I went over to the sideline.
I was like, take me to the locker room. They
get you right there and they try to evaluate you
for concussion and most things. Like I'm staying in the game.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
I was like, I'm taken myself. My whole brain rattle.
I missed.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
I missed the next game the following week because I
was still having like like like for four days.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
I'm like, I can't be in the room. I'm sitting
in his lights. Bro I'm cooked, Like he did he
at least like check up on you did he reached?

Speaker 4 (41:16):
This was so this is my first game, Like I
started that game and and so I'm running routes and
he had covered me on some and I'm like getting
loose because he wasn't like the best coverage safety.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
He was good enough, but I got him a couple
of holes.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
And I'll call myself chirping at him, okay, and then
uh he heard the only thing I remember with him
standing over me like.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
It was like you should.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Ship but I should have known better. See the mouth movement.
Who's the best ship talking defensive back in the league
that you had to deal with?

Speaker 4 (41:48):
From when I played, it was I never experienced Richard
Sherman in person, so but from just the audio clips,
but Tying Matthew, Oh god, that was activated activated ship.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Talking, and I feel like it must suck, is the
tight end because you have to deal with the D
line ship talking, then sometimes the linebackers, and then always
the DB's.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah and Chauncey Gardner Johnson okay, yeah, whenever Nigga say
his name, crash out man.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Who is worse D line linebackers or DB's when it came.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
To DB's have the biggest like you say, like you go.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Into the club and it's like D line, I'm out, Yeah,
the craziest egos or DB's which you kind of have
to have to play defensive back.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yes, that's the hardest.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
That's the hardest outside of quarterback.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
In this position. It's like I have a tie with
like left tackle.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
But playing dB in the league, you got to have
delusional confidence, yeah, because a nigga could cook you. And
it's like that doesn't mean you're trash, Like these things
are running four threes and they're running forward. Yeah, and
you're right. Yeah, so dB is you got to be delusional.
So I'm not even mad at them niggas for even
acting like that.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
You got to So there, Let's talk about your music
career a little bit. Let's talk about you you making music.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I came out to Gate hating because he got a
West Side booge future for I did. Yeah, how did
that's my man? Family?

Speaker 4 (43:03):
How did that feature come about? Shout to my boy
Cali and uh, I know Junior over at lv r N. Yeah,
I played JV basketball with Justice too. Really but yeah,
don't you is it Justice? Justice already think he likes
super nice and ball. I played ball with Justice before.
He's much better than I expected pre dreads. Yeah but

(43:24):
uh but yeah, I played basketball with Junior all through
high school. So reaching out to him through my boy
Cali Like it was pretty easy to set up. He
was accessible and happened smoothly. I felt like he was
a perfect fit for the record.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
So you so you actually was looking forward to getting
out wrapped because Boogie can he can go. So you
welcomed that absolutely, man Like, So I'm it would be
honored to make music with people that I respect their craft.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
And and listen to.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
So it was, Yeah, when did you make that decision
that you wanted to go full music? Was it before retirement?
Was this something that was always sitting there, like as
soon as I'm done with this NFL shit, I can
finally fully focus on this.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Yeah, I mean I was just excited about devoting more
time to it. I don't know if I'm an artist
that is like full time, like every day in the studio.
I feel like I got to have like experiences that, yeah,
kind of motivate me to write. It's a regular thing,
but it's like not every day. But I am grateful,
but I have more time to do it. I've been
making music since twenty fifteen, so it's not like I'm

(44:25):
just like now like I'm gonna make music. It's like
some people knew about it, some people didn't I was dropping,
but yeah, I'm excited to have more time to do
it and express myself and see what this pocket of
my life has in store for me as an artist.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
I felt there's, you know, some.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Kind of journey from me here and I it's what
I feel like I should be doing and want to
be doing right now.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
So I'm just like, fuck it all right.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Did you ever try to battle anyone in the locker room?

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Nah?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
I kind of learned.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
That's kind of what started my career was in high school,
dudes on the team would put on an instrumental ice
cream paint job at the time was a favorite go
to freestyle, and we'd freestyle and dudes could flow like
I could give you two well fought out lines, but
then it's like my game is moving so fast that
it's just like hindering me from just waxing in the.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Moment having two bars, and that's it is crazy King
Drick like Pulitzer Prize lines.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
And then it's like I can't go anymore.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Because once the ice cream paint job instrumental comes on,
two three people start rapping. I could come up with
like two or four great bars in the moment, and
then I'll wrap them and I'll stop be like I
didn't think this through, like like yeah, now what it's over.
I got that off now because they even look at
you like all right, it was cool for and then
you're just like all you know what, Yeah, I'm going
get it right there.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I'm like, I feel like if I wrote some ship
like I might be all right. Yeah. That's how I
started making music just off of that.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Okay, did you keep it to yourself at that point
or the.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
First two years of making music? I kept to myself.
I was.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
It was like right after I got drafted into the league.
I was they had the rookies in the hotel garage
band pulled up. I was wrapping into the I phone, earbudds,
wired ones and in the garage band and just like
ripping beats off and just went for two years without knowing.
And then I went to a studio back home. There
was a dude that was on a football team, is

(46:12):
a few years older than me. He had a studio
at his house and I was rapping there and then
one of my homies made beats and found out he
was like, now we got to lock in.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
And then from there, it was just like, yeah, been
creating for almost ten years.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Now, is there more athletes that do wrap or more
focused on music than we think?

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah, it's a lot of dudes love it, man, a
lot of dudes.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
It's a good balance. Like for me, I had been
doing it the whole time. It's like it honestly like
contributed to my career because it gave me that balance.
Like when I stepped out of the building, it's like
I can go home and cook something up and it
like takes me out of this performance mindset, allows me
to just relax and then I can pour back into
it more the next day because I've got something that
I'm looking forward to. Yeah, after and but yeah, nobody

(46:52):
was really dropping, Like I remember twenty nineteen, I was
like I dropped my first project, like I was out
of the league and suspended.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
But nineteen I dropped.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
I was like, I'm just gonna do this because like
I'm the best player on the team right now, Like
it's not hindering my crafty. I'm just about to drop it.
And then I think from there, like I don't know
if people maybe felt more comfortable. I don't want to
say like I'm the only pioneer of this, but nobody
was really dropping. Now athletes just like dropping whenever.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
They think Arion Foster, Yeah yeah, I read his album
He's he could Wrap. He was real, real, like he
surprised me. I went into it like all right, let
me me not go in with judgments. But I didn't
think it was going to be as good as it
actually was, and he was confident with that shit too.
I appreciate that athletes go into it taking it serious,
where others will, you know, see it as a lick

(47:40):
post career shit. But I do see that you are
taking a serious Have you taken the comments from music
more to heart than the NFL comments like post game shit,
because it is like you're burying your fucking soul out
on rare and maybe a comment may hurt a little
bit more than you know, my parlay didn't hit.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Yeah, yeah, people come at you crazy like, but yeah,
you kind of. I kind of get used to it
from football a little bit, but now it's like, yeah,
I don't really get myself access. I got the fucking
light phone, I got people that run my socials, so
it's like I'm not even not even looking at the
ship getting access to I know there natural resistance of like, nah, bro,
like I know you as this as you're doing and

(48:22):
doing that, which is like that this is.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Why a lot of Paul you busy writing rom But
I feel like, even you know, outside of the parlaytionshi
where it affects people's lives, you're putting out who new
record is about your life? That to me is way
more brave than going out on the field and expecting
some commentators, some fucking fat ass fan to comment on

(48:47):
what you're doing. Like, was that a whole process in
your brain to even put that out? Not really you
know what people are going to tie it to, and
like it's just going to be a whole for me.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
It was like it got created and it was like
I really fuck with this, and then it's like I
feel like the mix up was I didn't give any
context to what the record was because people were probably like, oh,
like my chick stabbed me in my back. It was
like the song was called who Knew Her Perspective? So
the meaning by the song, you know, people write from
different perspectives, so I'm like, I recognize the patterns in

(49:19):
my relationships are kind of all the same. So the
thinking was if the girl had to pin and wrote
me a song, what would it be? And so, and
then in the disconnect was in the video, I'm really
the girl that's experiencing the pain like stepping into her shoes.
It's not me, like being stabbed in the back. She
put the post out and was saying like YadA, YadA, YadA.
So it's like, I'm not defending myself like this is

(49:41):
this is, this is what happened. I'm just expressing my art.
And people were probably, yeah, took it a million different
types of ways, but that's kind of a risky run
putting it out there.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Of course, but you had you were married, you divorced.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Now you were married to WNBA star Kelsey Kelsey Plumb
who was a better shooter between you and Kelsey because
you played basketball.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Have y'all ever win it?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
To me, it's not, Yeah, she is out most niggas, NBA, wherever, wherever.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
But what does that do?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
What does that do for the Because you're an athlete,
you're you're, you're, you're your your competitive both professional athletes.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
But what does that do for the ego?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Now if you and you know Kelsey are and the
gym y'all shooting against each other and she blows out,
like what is the conversation like on the ride home
after leaving the.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Gym, Uh, it's you do this ship every day that
the period.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
I'm happy, I sort of you know how we are
as men though, like we know, I don't care if
wife he is a w n B A star, Like
if I played in the local rec league, I feel
like I should.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Outshoot my wife.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
That's that's not a it's not a regular.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
If I'm just saying the ego all would take her
to the football field to run routes, Like.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
That's that's what you should. Absolutely absolutely you've seen loving basketball.
But yeah, absolutely, this is what we got to do.
Your Darren Waller Foundation, Yeah, talk to us about the.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Yeah, which I think is super important.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
And yeah, I connect that. I was approached with the
opportunity to start that in twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
We've been really just giving people access to treatment to
go to thirty days and rehab, to have aftercare sober living.
Because the league sent me to treatment for free. It
was like sixty five thousand dollars for where they sent
me for thirty days. But that shit changed my life,
so it's like I'm in a position now to give
and serve, Like I feel like it's important for me

(51:34):
to pass this on. So that foundation has been going
for five years now. We've said, I think the numbers
like seventy two people through. Yeah, treatment, it's kind of crazy,
you know, like not even thinking I'd ever be back
in the league, and now I'm here and using my
influence to help these people, you know, get back on
their feet like I got back on mind.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
So yeah, is it tough to talk about your lowest
lows with them?

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Not really because I look at them and I see me,
And that's why I feel like I try to be
like you were talking about, like more open, because a
lot of people probably look at athletes or people that
are successful and think, man, like they're so high off
I can't even touch them or access them where it's like, nah.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Bro, Like my mind is crazy just like yours.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Like I got emotions, I have, you know, tough times,
like I got family issues, I got whatever it.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
May be, Like I'm more like you than you think.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Yeah, all I ever did was just continue to invest
in my craft and life. Somehow got me here. But
there's nothing that you can't do no hole you can't
get out of. That's the kind of message that I
feel like I'm trying to get people because that's real life.
I can get up here and be like, yeah, I
don't I got no problems, everything's great, Like I'm not
giving an authentic message to people that can help them

(52:44):
through their day to day So I'm just trying.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
To Yeah, And I think substance abuse ends up getting
a weird rap because they may associate it with like
fiend shit or bumshit or whatever, not realizing that it
is people that you see on TV that have the
same exact issues that someone else may have, or even
people that just work corporate jobs may have substance abuse.
What would you say is the first step to somebody's

(53:07):
thinking about getting help but can't really figure out how
to do it without feeling embarrassed.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Yeah, there's got to be an awareness of like where
I'm currently at, Like no reservations, no like ego involved,
Like it's got to be like how do I get
the most authentic picture of where I'm at? Because if
I'm still delusional in some way or in denial, like
there's no way I can be helped. Yeah, And there's

(53:34):
got to be a point to where you get so
tired of what's been going on because for me, like
I got to crash and burn for me to be
like all right, I'll change, like I'll do something different.
So it's like getting to that place of like I'm
really done, not like not like like it's like, nah, bro,
like help me.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Did you have that rock bottom moment that was like
this is it? I thought it was this rock bottom
moment before, but now this is the rock bottom moment.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
I mean I would always say before like the like
the like O Dan was the biggest rock bottom, but
I would say, you know, probably last year was probably
even more like like being like man, I don't even
want to be playing this game anymore, Like you know,
this marriage is just deteriorating, like like I and I

(54:24):
feel like I'm still trying to put forward this image
like everything's great, Like so I've repeatedly hit this wall,
like the root of the problem still hasn't totally been addressed.
Like I've just you know, kind of seen a lot
of success and a lot of cool moments and highs
along the way, but there's still something that's unaddressed here.
So it's like coming to that realization, it's like, fuck, bro, Like,
I've been sober for seven years and I feel like

(54:46):
I've just been spinning my tires has been spinning in
the mud here.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
I ain't really been making no progress like a fucking
hamster wheel.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
So I would say that was probably more of a
bottom yeah than odan was, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
What would you say to a young Darren Waller first
going to college and then looking at where your life
is at now? What would you say to Darren back then?

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Today?

Speaker 4 (55:10):
I would say, you gotta define what it is you
want and who you want to be and not be
overtaken by the current of what the world wants you
to be. Because I feel like I succeeded a lot
at who the world, who I thought the world wanted
me to be. Where it was like being a ring leader,
getting sucked up in college or in football, and like

(55:32):
all these things.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
I'm like, all right, I'm who you guys want me
to be.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
But it's boxes are checked, but it's not a fulfillment
like deep within, like on a soul level, it's like
figuring out what you want and it may not be
highest paid, number one.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
All these things at what it is you really want
to do.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
But it's like if that really is what is filling
your cup up and allowing you to just like make
the most authentic impact you can, Like that's the life
that's fulfilling. Like we're kind of being fed the you know,
if you go by these metrics, you're going to be
fulfilled and life's gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
And it's like, I'm one of those.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
People that's like I've checked all those boxes and that's
not necessarily the case.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
So I would tell him, like, you know, trust who
you are.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Don't feel like you got to abandon that for fitting
in because a lot of people you're trying to fit
in with are crashing out, yeah after after high school,
like you know.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
And they don't really care about you try to fit
in what people?

Speaker 4 (56:27):
They're so worried about themselves too, and probably thinking of
the same things that you're thinking. And you think they're
watching you, they ain't really they ain't really caring.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Yeah, So what's the plan now that you have who
knew out we getting a full album? What's it looking like?

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Yeah, definitely an album at some point, Uh my boy,
Jay ro I have been cooking up with it was
my engineer and he's also an artist's really helping me
elevate my sound.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
We're gonna drop a project together.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
And you guys have a record out now together, right.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Yeah, it's called mind Games, and we got more. The
next song I drop will be us called Streets to
get Cold with him, he's getting me more into my
R and B bag and you know, kind of going
through divorces things like that's kind of opening me up
to a different, yeah side of myself and being like damn,
like all these emotions are here. I don't have to
suppress them anymore like I can. So it's just, yeah,
experimenting with a lot.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Of new things. You have plenty on the way, solo
project and a joint project with him.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
So love it all right, So we're flushing out this
segment in real time. We don't really have a name
for it. We're talking about one on one, just a
bunch of weird, corny sports names about this whole Georgia
album versus. So you need to pick one out of
the two, and you can't say both outcasts at Aliens
Versusquemina mm hm.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Oh man, I might have to go at Aliens just
off of two Dope Boys in a Cadillac one of
the best.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Well that shit, I was just in Hawaii.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Yeah, Ludacris back for the first Time, or Chicken and Beer.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
I gotta go Chicken in Beer. Man, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
I think I was listening to that explicit album as
a kid and wondering why uh fucking avenue.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Problems I got. It's all Luda Chris's fault. I got
back for the first time for my eleventh birthday. I
remember at I'm dead ass at the birthday party in
our backyard. Somebody that had like the cooler mom that
would just like whatever gift and my friend's mom bought
it for me Back for the first time. I was
eleven years old. Oh my god, you the oldest pretty
yess hose. Yeah, I was. I was yelling at yelling

(58:32):
at that. That was like Splash Waterfalls. H No, Splash
water Falls was on what's the second album that was on?
Chicken and Beer. Yeah, Chicken and Beer Back for the
First Time was one of my favorites. Gz t on
one on one versus Recession going on one man, Absolutely
one on one, bro. I agree. But you'd be surprised
how many people would say this recession. I'm with y'all, though, Yeah,

(58:53):
I got it going on. This is like an age
old debate t I Trap music verse King. Mmm, fuck,
we're similar in age. I think I know what you're
gonna go with. Fuck uh?

Speaker 1 (59:13):
King had whatever you like?

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Oh my god, I know paper Trail. I think whatever
you like. Let me pull up the King track list?
King had? What you know about that? Living the Sky
with Jimmy Fox is a.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Huge God damn that was a hit in middle school.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
I was definitely listening to Hello on the way to
high school. I think with our age though, we probably
fucked with King more than most.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
King was twenty four's No.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Twenty fours was on Not twenty fours was on the
album before that. So you said you might might to
go King just off what you know about that? I'm
not mad, no, man, trap music. Trap music was fine. Yeah,
I'm a trap music guy. We'll get a little younger.
I think Dirty Right too. Across the Board is Future's

(01:00:01):
best album. We can all Yeah, So I didn't want
to just add that in the mix. Fifty six Nights
versus Hendricks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Bruh Hendrix Hendrix is so tough.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
It's an R and B sol album bruh.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Sometimes I'll be wondering nowadays, like future can just like
go in to move and do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
It's gonna be hard, like you put it out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
But like what he was experimenting and pushing himself to
do on that album, Yeah crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
I feel like my collection might be the most beautiful
misogynistic record that's ever existed. Yeah, Like they'll play that
at a tribute and women will cry young thug Jeffrey
versus Bart six Bart six, Okay, not matter at that.
I'd go part six two. I think their very neck
and nect though Jeffrey's fire. I gotta go Jeffrey on

(01:00:50):
over part six. All right, let's go R and B quickly.
I don't think they've taken your Georgia I d yet.
This is the this is the one confessions verse eighty
seven to one. Don't breathe like that, like you don't lie.
It's it's not the heart of a question.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Man, Yes it is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
No, it's not. I have lost friends over this de
big confessions.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Absolutely confessions.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
It's closer than y'all thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
No, it's not. That's why I that's why I breathe
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
It's really not close Confession is closer than you'll Confessions
is one of the greatest R and B albums ever.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
I think you can make a case. Eighty seven on
one is right there too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
You can make a case, but we know undeniably Confessions
is one of the greatest R and B albums ever.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Okay, without a doubt, to me, the most underrated R
and B artists from Atlanta the Dream Love Hate, Verse,
Love Verse Money.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
I don't know what all was on both of those albums.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
This one's so tough. I wouldn't even know really where
to go. But let me pull up the track list
for you. I think it's love Love Hate, the one
with purple kisses. Yes, yeah, I'm going purple kisses throw it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
In the bags on one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Yeah, but the remix is always better for us. Love Hate,
I Love Your Girl falsetto Shorty as the Ship's Love
living a Lot, Purple Kisses, Love Hate, Yes it is
playing in our head. Yeah, I'm going, okay, but love
Ver's money, rocking that ship, put it down, Walking on
the Moon.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Fancy Fancy might be one of the greatest Army songs ever.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
That's what I'm saying. This is a tough. He's a
tough one. Fancy is one of the greatest Army songs about. Yeah,
but I'm still on the side of love hate but
love verse money's right there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Yeah, God damn, it's a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
This has nothing to do with Georgia ship or music.
But movie wise, any given Sunday verse Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Night Lights, Friday Night Lights is the best movie to me, really, we're.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
About to argue to death now, any givens Given Sunday
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Five, but like Friday Night Lights put you in touch
of like the origin of like coming up, like if
you came up, it's a different side of it. Yeah,
it's a different size Given Sunday. Not a lot of
niggas like got to that level and relate to that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
To me, give the car aff though you didn't. That
wasn't feeling that. That's LT giants baby, come on go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
That was a five movie. But yeah, for some about
I don't know some about Friday Night Life.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
I mean it's a classic for sure, But any Given
Sunday to me was so ahead of its time. Even
on my bad my parking, he get alert and music
when it's time to pay to meet it got to
make sure. To me, any given Sunday was so ahead
of its time, Like simply based off the Jamie Fox
Al Pacinos scene when he goes to lunch after he's

(01:03:30):
about to get not cut but he's not going to
start for the playoffs and Jamie breaks down what it's
like to be a professional athlete versus the corporation ship.
To me, that that is what everyone even argues on
the college level. That ship was the smart Oliver Stone
smoke that ship. That was the smartest thing I've ever
seen as far as what professional athletes go through. Like
you're telling me that I need to do it for

(01:03:51):
the betterment of the team. When I'm not, y'all are
going to get paid. I am not cooking any give
not give ahead of Friday. That lights. Yeah, you at
high school, it's all about the town and the team
and the people next to you and building all that.
When I get to the professional level, Fuck y'all, y'all
are gonna wave me, trade me immediately and you want
me to give up my life for you now? Fuck that?

(01:04:15):
To me, that was one of the most brilliant movies
that's ever existed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Yeah, greatest football movie of all time and Longest yard. Wait,
which one Adam Sandler knew it? Okay, greatest football movie
of all time. Now he wasn't feeling that it's a
good movie. I would put the replacements over that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
another good, great football movie. I'm showing my age with

(01:04:38):
this one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
What was it? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
From the eighties? Wildcats? Was that the name of it?
Sport in nineteen ninety y'all?

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Remember that was the high school musical, ain't it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
You said a musical?

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Yo? Damn Wildcat high school musical. I think that was
the name of it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Yeah, Wildcats, all right, Goldie Hawn Wildcats. You never seen
that movie? Watch that movie. It's young from the eighties,
but it's like it's a classic classic movie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Like you like the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
It's definitely before your time. I'm a little older than y'all.
But by Rudy, don't get me started, man, that's another
that's another classic movie. You just like that movie. You've
heard me go on our rants on our podcast about Rudy.
I love them, I love Rudy, I understand. I think
it's amazing that he did all that and then got Darren.
You you got choked up watching that movie? Did you

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get a little.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
I have a song with Ciri where the intro where
Rudy's about to quit and uh, the black Janitor was
like tell him, like, you're trying to do that for
your dad, and do that for what? Like if you
ain't that clip in the beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
So that was a Rudy is a classic, man. No, no,
it's a classic. It's just a classic for that year
of his life. Like listen following Von whatever his character
ended up, he was still even though he's an ass.
So he was the all American that was going to
go on to the NFL and do great things. Rudy
had a cool semester and then became a motivational speaker
that we're fuck didn't do shit with his life afterwards.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
You wanted to get fucked over by the college system
so badly that you did all that work in a factory,
get your head blown off, everything just so you could
give Notre Dame one hundred thousand dollars a year. Stupidest
movie of all time. I thought it was one of
the most inspirational movies of all time. It's inspirational for
dumb shit. I loved his drive and his focus and
the heart that he had. I respect that it was

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in all the wrong places. Check out Wildcats.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Wildcats that movie. Not really.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
I had did a list of like seventy five things
at the top of twenty twenty five for music predictions
that I'm already. I think I'm four for four already.
Do you have any music predictions for twenty twenty five,
y'all f with of course?

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yeah. I need the Saba No Idea project.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Okay, yeah, they just put out a record on Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Yeah, yeah, I've been spending that shit.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
Like, yeah, I don't really have any I like to
to just see shit unfold, bro, Like I love like
the mystery and just like watching shit happen. I don't
really know what's gonna happened at all. I'm interested to
see what Drake does well. I mean, I mean I'm
still I'm still listening to Drake's old music. I mean,
people are getting them about of there, but everybody doesn't.
That doesn't really everybody's still listening.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Well, I mean, by the time by the time they
hear this, I think tomorrow will be the P and
D Drake album. Okay, that's about to come out. I
don't know where I'm at with that, I think they
may go too much to the core fan base where
the masses won't really fuck with it, which I don't
really care. I love old P and D cuts, and
I think that's the route that they're going to go.

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I don't know if we're gonna get much of what
the masses want to hear. As far as Drake Address
and ship, I think we're just gonna get Oh yeah,
great fucking R and B shit.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
And I want to see him just like what the
next chapter of his solo career, because like, I still
want to hear what he got. He's still tough, like
all all that shit aside, Like I still want to
hear what you got to say.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Yeah, besides Saba, who I love? What else you're listening to?

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
I fucked with Viking by Baby for some reason. It's
a great song.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
Other than that, there's a band called Crumban. It's like
an alternative band. That's one of my favorites.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
They just want to Grammy, I think too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Sary's new project got a couple of good ones.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
That's my guy.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
Somehow I ended up on Jesus Peace. I've been listened
to name Me King the Game album yeah, it's underrating
heavy rotation. I don't think there's a skip on that album.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Uh is Crazy and Jack Harlow Tranquility, Okay, it's a banger.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
I'm listening to It's crazy. Kodak Black put out a
project for Christmas, and I've been listening to that, like
MS Christmas thing I didn't even know, and it's like
it's it's it's like it's short.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
It's a maybe seven records seven eight.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
What is he for?

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Like deck the halls with fentanyl? Like what is he?

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
He's not decking the halls with Fit, but it's some
joints on there that I'm like, damn. Like Yah put
out a nice little project with Kodak. I think he
could really wrap too. He put out a he put
out a nice project around CHRISTI surious with that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
I cannot get past the halls. Was Fit.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
And you shouldn't deck the halls. Let's put that on.
Definitely take it to me. I saw take it from.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Darren.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
I saw I saw a video.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
There's this guy online that's doing this thing where he's
taking rolls of duct tape and he's wrapping it around
like two poles and he's trying to run through it.
So he's seeing how many rolls he can run through,
so he goes ten.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
He gets through that easy, twenty easy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
So he gets up to one hundred rolls of duct
tape that he wraps between two poles and tries to
run through the tape and he ran. He tried to
run through hundred rolls and knocked him back. He hit
his head on the pole, called a concussion, so they
called an ambulance.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
So he's in the car. He's like, yeah, so you know,
what are you gonna give me? Take time?

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
He said, Man, you know, we just probably get some fitting.
As he looked like Finn like I've seen that clip.
It was a dude in the uh in the hospital before.
She's like, yeah, we just got to he said. He
was like emotionally, he said.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
You're like that, like, no, cool. I think I'm alright.
I'll get up anyone that's looking for Fendyl like wait,
I just got to run my head. Yeah I'm cool.
I'm cool. Hell, this was great man, Thank you so
much for coming through. Appreciate this pleasure to finally meet you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
We definitely got to do this again during once the
NFL season kicks back off, so we could talk some
ship about some players that we don't know nothing about
because roory mall don't know ball.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
But are we sitting here with Dren.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
We gonna do some film.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
We got to do it, like a film breakdown, a
break down, some film.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
See y'all's coverage, if y'all know coverages, if y'all know
listen route.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
I stopped playing Madden because it got too technical. Like
once you told me like, yo, if you pressed the
button too hard, he's gonna throw it into the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
I was like, all right, I'm done, Like I can't.
I can't do this shit no more.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
So. I don't know no fucking routes. All I know
is a few players, and I know when you should
throw the ball. I don't look at coverage.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Which is when when when you know he's opening, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
When the receiver, you know, when y'all running, y'all do
this thing right here, like kind of let the quarterbacks,
you know, yeah, like let it go, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
That's all I know. Yeah, when you do this, get
it to him, like just fucking just throw.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Yeah, Now we can have a session. I can tell
y'all like why people do certain things. Why this coverage
is happening. Why I love that scheme a little. But
then y'all can know ball and tell them fuckers, what's what?

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Matt?

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Cover three, Cover two, I know Cover one. Yeah, I
played Madden two. I know all that coverage too, So
not the same. I played high school football. About fires
on blitz, I mean, somebody gonna blitz.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
That sounds like that sounds like somebody the quarterback about
to get hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
That's the fire zone. It sounds like two dudes just
coming from here. I think I saw it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
That's I remember that fire zone is.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
You have a blitzer, like say like the Nickels blitzing,
but somebody's dropping, so it can uses. It's the same
number of people that would be rushing on a normal
pass rush, but they're changing. They're trying to confuse the defense,
like if you ever sak a defensive end dropping the coverage.
They're confusing the offensive line because usually they'll slide this way,
but then they'll be like, oh shit, that's where you
see somebody just running unblocked. That's the hardest shit in

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football and offens lines picking up those blits and stunts.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Okay, we'll get there, got you, baby steps, baby steps,
We're getting there. That's Darren Waller. We appreciate you, my brother,
and we've saw to you soon for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
No