April 3, 2025 • 27 mins
Hi everyone, and welcome back to TV Reload!
Thank you for clicking or downloading today’s episode, featuring Logan, who absolutely deserves the chance to unpack her experience on Australian Survivor: Brains vs. Brawn 2. Making it all the way to week 7 in one of the least predictable seasons I can remember.
- Myles threw it out there, that Logan was an emotional player during the season but we are going to dissect if there is a difference between being an emotional person and an emotional Survivor player.
- Logan will speak to the fans reactions that ‘going to rocks’ was mentioned way too many times for that to be a coincidence.
- In this episode, Logan breaks down exactly what was going through her mind as she watched back her demise and reveals why she was brought to tears.
- Logan will share her thoughts on the remaining players in the competition and which player is a completely different person in real life..
- I’ll ask Logan about the reception to her being a sassy player. If her experiences in WAG life actually helped her game. Plus, her rational on 'the covern' and a simple explanation on why that original alliance fell apart!
There’s so much to discuss, with plenty of behind-the-scenes revelations. So sit back, relax, and let’s dive into the incredible world of Australian Survivor, which returns this Sunday night!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's in the news today, but it was actually on
TV Relogan podcast last week. They're wight. Hey guys, welcome
back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for
clicking and downloading on today's episode, and I'm excited to
bring you my chat with Logan, who absolutely earned this
opportunity to unpack her experience at Australian Survivor Brains versus
Braun too. Logan made it all the way to week
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seven and what has to be one of the most
unpredictable seasons I can remember. Now Miles managed to throw
some shade calling Logan an emotional player, but today we're
digging into weather. There's a difference between being an emotional
person and an emotional Survivor player. Let's just say it's
not as black and white as it seems. We will
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also get into the fan theory that there was too
many conversations about going to Rocks and whether or not
that was actually a coincidence. Logan's going to also open
up about watching back her own demise this week, what
was really going through her mind and why it brought
her to tears. It's raw, it's honest, and definitely one
for the fans. Plus, Logan will spill the tea on
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who she thinks is a completely different person in real life,
the audience reaction to her sassy gameplay, and whether her
time as a Wag in the Wag world actually gave
her an edge in the game. Ohen. Of course, we
will get into the collapse of the original alliance with
the Coven, and Logan gives her simple explanation on why
that fell apart. There is actually a lot to unpack,
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and you know there's going to be some behind the
scenes gold. So sit back, relax, and let's dive into
the world of Australian Survivor, which returns this Sunday and
Monday night. Very excited to be talking to you about
this show. You kind of had like a very emotional
ride with Survivor. What was it like for you in
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comparison to what you thought you were signing up for.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Look, honestly, I am just an emotional person. I was
an emotional player out there. I think people are getting
that really confused. I wear my heart on my sleeve
and I give my emotions to everything. I give them
all to my friendships, my alliances, and I think people
really confuse that with gameplay. I did not did not
vote emotionally once. If you go back through my track
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record of voting, I'm on the right side of most
of the votes until the end, and I voted strategically.
But it is hard. You go out there and everyone thinks,
like when they're watching, like, oh, just be a game bot,
like turn your emotions off. But we are playing a
game with human lives. We're not chess pieces. Unfortunately, we
do have emotion. So when you're playing a human game
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like that, when you're tired, you're stressed, you're delusional, half
the time, emotions come out and that's okay. It's a
human game, so it's a massive part of the game.
And I think to be torn apart because I have
emotions is really unfair.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Well, someone threw that out there. Who was that? There
was someone who said that through the season.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And they were like Miles. Miles definitely called me an
emotional player, But Miles is more of an emotion less player.
So I think we're on two opposite ends of the
spectrum there. Also, I've got mad Adhd and emotions is
something that I really struggle with. Impulse control and controlling
my emotions has always been something that was tough and
chucking the elements of Survivor and you've got twenty four
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extroverted cast members. It is a lot to handle. So
I mean I could have blown off the handle way
more than I did, and I really really reined it
in a lot. It's a human game, so I mean,
cut people some slack.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
How did you get on this show though, Like I
kind of imagine you wanting to apply for it?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah. So I've been a fan of the show since
I was about seven, so it was my favorite thing
to watch with my dad. It was one of our
things that we did my brothers and sisters and I
would sit up all night watching and my mum would
send us off to bed at bedtime right before travel council,
and I remember sitting in the hallway and trying to
sneak a peak of tribal Council. So it's always been
a part of my life. I've watched every season and
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my family is very big into games and competitive games,
and we do a lot of them based on Survivor things.
So we have a family challenge every year where our
were split into our teams, and we've been playing games
my entire life, so I applied originally for twenty seven.
I want to say I think it was that year,
and I've been in chats with the producers sort of
on and off since I went until I went on
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this year or last year.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Sorry, I'm going to say, so, how you were twelve
when you applied?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I was nineteen or twenty I think when I first applied.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And what did they say to you? For what? Not
putting you on? Because, like, to forgive me for saying this,
but you're sort of born to be in a competition
like this, Like you know, you've got a degree for it,
you have a passion for the show personally.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, I mean I think when I first chatted to them,
I got really really far in the process, and they
called me up the next year and sort of were
asking around of are you still interested and blah blah,
And I was actually pregnant at the time, so I
had to sort of say, yeah, I am, keep me
on the keep me on the roster, but not at
this stage. But I'm actually really I'm really glad I
didn't get on. I think I knew myself to a
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point when I'm nineteen twenty, but I didn't have any kids.
I wasn't married yet, and by the time that I've
got on this time, I have my life kind of
figured out. I know who I am. I'm very comfortable
with myself, very self aware. I know I'm emotional and
I use that in the best ways sometimes. And I
think if I went out there, I probably would have
self employed at twenty years old. So I'm really glad
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it didn't happen for me the first time.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Collect Your Stories is what I say.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I think I was trying to prove something to myself
at twenty or trying to be someone I wasn't, and
I think, yeah, by the time I got on, I
was like, I've got nothing to prove to I'm not
doing this for anybody other than myself. I need a
damn break. I've been raising kids like I'm twenty eight,
and I feel like I'm seventy five right now, Like
I need a break. I need to go do something
that's finally for me. I put a massive stop on
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my career and you need to have kids young with
my husband, and I just like, it is the time
for me to do something for myself. So glad it
didn't happen. The first few times I did have a
few chats with producers across the years. Obviously the second
time I was pregnant. The third time I chatted with them,
they wanted my husband to come on for blood versus Water,
and he was in the middle of forty so that
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didn't happen. And then I just left it for a
while until the universe called me and I picked up
and I was like, you know what it's happening this year,
I'm going to put myself out there and I'm going
to twit it.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And it worked, and it worked, and you did well.
You did very well to get so far into the competition.
We're very close to the end at this point. The
thing that I wanted to talk to about the most
when I saw your introduction was did socializing with wags
truly help you in the game of Survivor? Because I
thought that was positioned really well for your backstory.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, I mean absolutely. The football world is crazy, so
you have people come in and out the door constantly.
You have to position yourself within the group, and you
have to know who's in charge and who to talk
to and how to get yourself in certain places. I
think also, if you remember back in twenty twenty when
COVID hit, we all had to go into hubs in
the football world, so I was living in a hotel
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for three months, raising a nine month old daughter with
a bunch of girls that I had barely met, and
I had to be around them every day and it
was insane. The social dynamics of that was like being
on school camp and with a bunch of people that
you didn't know, and it was really challenging. So I
think that really set me up as well to be
in an environment where I wasn't comfortable, I didn't like
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some of the people, and I still had to manage
my way through that. So being a part of the
football world it has definitely helped me in making my
social connections and being able to fake it till I
make it.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I went to the football. You could probably tell from
just looking at me I'm not a big football person.
But anyway, I went to the football on Saturday night
with my youngest sister. She's fourteen years younger than me,
and she is dating a famous football as son who
now plays football, so she's a wag now ultimately slave. Yeah,
but I kept thinking about you that night. I kept
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thinking about you. I kept watching the ways in which
the other football wives interacted with my sister, and the
way in which people put sort of a sense of
importance on your partner because they are playing this game.
There's sort of an unusual dynamic that gets created. But
when I kept thinking about you, I kept thinking, Logan's
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really had to look deep into people's personalities every time
she meets them. Are they being genuine? Are they being honest?
What is it that they want from me? And that's
what I was thinking. Must be good for the game
of survivor, because you're going to meet a lot of
people in there that are going to give you the ick,
and I'm going to try and sell you something that
you don't want to buy.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Absolutely, I mean, you're absolutely right. That is the AFL world.
It's a revolving door of people coming in and out.
There is a lot of people that are not genuine.
And I think I've been a part of the world
for about nine years now and it's pretty easy for
me to spot. The thing is you kill you kill
everyone with kindness. That's the way that I go about
the football world is you just credit in your face
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and you're lovely to everyone. There are people that most
of the time. I think now in my actual football group,
I do genuinely adore everyone, but they've also been around
for a very long time. But I think very early days,
it was difficult to navigate that and know that people
don't know if you're going to stick around, So they
don't know if they're going to bother talking to you
because they're like, oh, you could get dumped by your
boyfriend next week, so why would we make an effort
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to be friends with you. So it is a bigger
part of that world has kind of set me up
for success in Survivor, and I think that particular reason
was why I didn't get along with Aj at the start,
because I just saw through what he was doing. I
was like, you have said the same sentence to every
single person on this camp on day one. You have
a beautiful smile and I love your vibe. And I
was like, hang on, hang on, hang on, if you
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said that there every single person, how can you mean that? Doll? Like,
I don't believe you, So I think rare, what's going on? Yeah,
this is nothing against Aj. I adore him as a
person outside of the game, where Bestie's I think most
of the cast outside of the game, we're all really
really great friends. But inside the game, I was like,
you are playing everyone here and I can see that,
So I'm not loving that, and I think that's what
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kind of turned him against me at the start. And
he put a target on my back on day five
and he was able to finally hit it on day
thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Well, it's a good question to ask you about the
way in which you trust your instincts. Were you correct?
Like did you? Because I mean, this is what happens
when you go on these shows. You spend time with
people in the in the bubble that gets created. Were
people different away from the cameras after the show had finished.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
No, I wouldn't say so. I mean I think the
person that was the most different was Aj, because Aj
the whole time was playing. I think everything that Aj
did was calculated and really strategic. And by the end,
I mean, like where he's at now, he's at what
is it, top six?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Now?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You can see he is frazzled, like he he wasn't sleeping.
I think I woke up in the middle of the
night one night to go. I think it was when
the knowledge is power, I think, and Zara came across
and I was like, oh, if there was one at
their camp. I was like, there's a chance of one
at ours. And I woke up in the middle of
the night and I was like, I can't sleep unless
I go check. And I wake up and I get
up and I walk back and as she's just standing
there like a shadowing camp, and I was like, bro,
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do you ever sleep? Like, come on, he stopped eating,
He wasn't sleeping. You could just see even in the
last episode with Kristen where Miles are saying, let's keep
it simple, stupid and AG's like, there's this big plan,
you can do it, and I'm like, AJ dlling just
calm down. So out of everyone, I think AJ is
definitely the most different outside of the game. Miles is
straight up and down. What you see out there you get.
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He's just a chatterbox who's just like this, this is
what I'm thinking, this is the way it's going to go.
And I'm like, cool, Miles, love you. Everyone out there
was pretty much the same, but AJ the whole time
was switched on in game mode, and it is really
nice to meet AJ outside of the game and say hi,
I'm Logan. This is a which aj Am I getting
Is this the real one? So the real aj is
a beautiful person and I really do it or him.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's interesting to see that this season of the show,
there's more women left in this show. You know, the
alpha males have been exterminated. I wonder whether or not,
if Zen had not had been hurt, what that might
have done to the game. I mean, what's your How
do you unpack the fact that the women have done
so well this season.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
It is a strategy game, and I think the women
notice this. At the beginning, we had really strong women
on the Brains tribe, and we're big thinkers. I mean,
we're on the brain for a reason, and we know
the way that reality shows go. It shows go, especially
strategical games, they do like to pick off women at
the start. It's just it happens. And we saw that
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with a Candy vote. I think what was not shown
was that very very very first challenge when we're kind
of whack the key off the spiral and it gets
stuck in it's whole mess. Candy had gone up on
the shoulders of everyone and she was trying to whack
it off and she said, guys, I can't hit it,
I can't hold up the branch, and that sent her home.
So when they were splitting off of Nash, I chatted
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to a few people on the Broad tribe about why
was Candy the first vote, like I didn't get to
meet her. I'm so sad she's not there, And they
said yeah, I mean they just said, she just said
she wasn't strong enough. And I think in a brown
dominated tribe, if you say you're not strong, you're gone.
So it was really really disappointing to see that happen,
and I think that's really encouraged the women on our
tribe to say we are sticking strong as women, refuse
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to be sending home women. And then Indy kind of
mess it up at the very first vote because we
weren't gone for Indy, it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
She really needed to put her foot in it for
that though, which I put in.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It unfortunately, which stucked because I do want to work
with Indy, and especially we didn't want a woman, nor
a person of color going home first. It was really
important to our values as women that that's not what
that was not going to happen. Unfortunately, she did put
her foot in it, and we didn't really have any
other choice because she was going to blow off our plans.
So I think the women are proving that we can
play strategically. I think the thing that sucks the most
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is that because we I especially am emotional, everyone's like, oh,
she doesn't know how to play the game. What is
she doing? She's just crying and winging, And I'm like, bro,
AJ has a little cry on a rock and you're like, oh,
poor a J. Paulie's crying. You're like poor Paulli Logan
cries and You're like, oh, that dumb bitch, And I'm like,
come on. The double standards for men and women on
TV shows is absolutely insane.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Surprised at how much the men cry on reality shows?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Do you know what tin fairness? Everyone cried, I can
tell you without a doubt, everyone cried out there. Mine
just was public. So I think when I first got
to Merge, I think Kate had said, oh, don't worry, babies,
I've cried every single day out here. I was like,
you've cried every day and she's like, yeah, every day
was fair enough. Actually, it's tough out here.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It's tough. It is really tough out there. What really
bothered me was that I know people that make this show,
so I'd heard a bit about the Coven, so I
was really excited, like I was about to watch American
horror story Coven seision, and yeah, this is going to
be great. It didn't get utilized as well as it
should have, like.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It turned more into a horror story.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It turned into a horror story, exactly right. You think
was the biggest problem in trying to utilize the Coven
as a strategic team that should have worked.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So the wheels came off because none of us were
completely willing all the time to sit in the backseat.
We all wanted to drive, and I think, I mean
there was definitely most of the time I did give
in and I let them take the wheel, but I
would ask in return, Hey, if I'm letting you take
control of this, I need to feel like I've been supported,
and the next time I want to go over this,
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I need your support. And I think what really put
a knife in the Coven was the graduates when Laura
wasn't very willing to vote off Rich and Zara hated
that and she wanted to turn to someone else who
she thought she can control or thought put more of
her trust in and I think that ended the coven really.
I mean, I mean we've got to merge right now.
We've got three out of four of us sitting on
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the Drew bench, so we got ourselves far enough. I
just don't think we were built to last, which is fine,
but we've made some amazing friendships through it, and I'm
really glad that I get to take away that from this.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
You really didn't want to go to Rocks, you know,
and that was something that everyone debated a lot. Well,
I guess the most common question I saw was how
is it possible that everyone discussed rocks so predominantly throughout
that episode when an actual fact that really shouldn't have
been revealed or even it's such a strange anomaly for
this show, right, Yeah, so topical it was on. It
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was so much on people's minds. Can you speak to
the reason why there was so much conversation about rocks?
And that's kind of where we ended up.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, So I think coming back into camp that day,
this split was so obvious. It was very clear. I mean,
Caitlin is the easiest person to pick up when he's lying,
and I went to chat with him and he wouldn't
look he'd look this way in this way, and he's like, yeah,
I don't know. And he said the same thing to Christian.
We had just worked together on this vote, and we
had tried to form an alliance. And as soon as
we've been away for twenty four hours and you're saying
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you don't know the vote. It was so clear a
Jo and Miles were doing their thing. Zara is brought in.
Zara didn't want to talk to me, and I was like, Okay,
this is a four four. I'm a big Spove fan.
I know exactly what that means. This is going to rock.
So everyone knew that. I think also there's just the
element that the boys loved that idea as well. So
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I think they were hyping it up and they really
wanted it to happen just because they love chaos. They
I think both like Miles was at a point probably
at that stage where he was like, if I go out,
I go out, But I just want to have fun
with this game, Like he really wanted to have fun.
I think probably where they're at now top six is
where they're starting to probably rain in their moves. I
think they before that they both are thinking, well, if
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I'm just out here, I'm going to have fun with it.
But now I think they're probably they're probably going to
switch their mindsets and start playing a bit smarter, or
not smarter, but less chaotic. But the whole Rock situation
was really funny because Kate and Morgan and Kristen had
no idea what it was.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
They didn't know what it was, okay, So.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I deliberately did not tell them what Rocks was because
I'd just gotten on them on my side, and I
knew if they spooked them at camp, they would just
put my name down, so it was easier for them
to write my name and be safe then go to Rocks.
But I didn't want to tell them about that because
they didn't know what happened when it went to a split,
so I let it be. Unfortunately for me, I really
need to win Kristen over as to make it an
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ununanimous boat. But Kristin was away for the scramble because
she accidentally got hurt by a wasp or stung by
wasp and she was unable to cat, so that really
put a knife in my game. I don't know if
she still would have gone to Rocks if I did
get the chance to chat to her about her about it,
but yeah, it was it sucks for me. The insects
because of Samoa really did not like me.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, I've got a friend of mine who did the
show and filmed it that lowtion and he took a
few months to get over the insects. He got stung
by something or he got like a skin infection. It's like,
I remember what it was. He wrung me to say
before doing it. He was like, should I do Survivor.
I was like, oh my god, that's amazing. Because I
hit him up on Instagram. I was like, you were
going to love that, And then he wrote to me
for a good few months being like I'm still not
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overgoing possible. The insects, the bugs. You know, the environment
is pretty yark.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I mean. The good thing is when you get back
at night, you can't see, so you can't see what's
crawling on. You can't see what's next to you, so
you don't get that fit. The only thing that freaks
you out is when you wake up in the middle
of the night and there's a crab this size on
top of you. That's that's scary. That's not fun. That
is really it. The crabs out there are terrifying. They
like and I grew up in the country, so I'm
not really afraid of many things, but the crabs, when
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they're the size of your head terrifying.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
That scares the shit out of me. I've just torn
up my If I was ever applying for the show,
you're like, that's gone. Was it brutal to watch the
show back? Because I rewatched the Tribal Councils because I'm
usually taking a bit of notes because I'm going to
talk to some of you guys, and I felt like
it was quite brutal to see everyone saying your name
at that point. What's the process like watching this show
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back after you've you've given so much into it, and
when you were finally watching that Tribal Council plat in
its television format? Was that challenging? And were you second
guessing yourself on how that could have been played out
in any other way?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
No, honestly, I mean I know what happened. I know
how it all happened. I was really interested to see
the conversations that led to the split. I was looking
forward to that. I was like, I finally get the
inside Gus like, it's like finally being like a fly
on the wall everywhere. You get to see everything that happens,
and that's the exciting part of watching it back. It
wasn't hard to watch back. I actually cried, though, props
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to the editors. It was like I was watching a character,
not myself, and I was like, that's so sad, and
I was like crying. I knew that I was getting for.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I know, but you know what, I was sort of
sad for you myself. Like I think it's you know,
it is a really strange dynamic that you could give
yourself up to be on a show like this and
then then it becomes a TV show, do you know
what I mean? Like you sometimes think, oh, I'm more
exciting than I really am, or I'm more bitchy than
I really am. I mean that's the sort of response
I had to myself on Telly. Yeah, And I just think,
you know it is there can be a disconnect when
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you're watching it back. It sometimes feels like a caricature
of yourself, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think the thing with the show
is you have your confessionals and you're trying to be unmade.
It's like a time, I'm having a chat with you
right now, and I think people take that the wrong
way of like, oh, she's trying to put on someone.
I was like, this is just how I speak to
my friends. But when I'm out there on Survivor and
I'm trying to talk strategically, I'm not going babes, let's
do this, Let's blah blah blah. So it's funny to
watch the sort of the dichotomy between the two of
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like Logan on the beach and then Logan talking to
the camera sort of thing. So it's a bit of
a funny one to watch back. And I do think
i'd come across a little bit you sometimes or a
little bit sassy.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And one of your friends on the show, Laura, corrected
me because I did talk about you. I said, you know,
she could be quite sassy. I think was the word
that I used, and she quickly corrected me on that
and she said, I love a sassy girl. And Laura
was like, I'm reclaiming the word, which you know, which
is synonymous with bitch, like you know I am. I'm
changing people's minds on the way that these words get
(21:13):
used about women. And I thought that this season, there's
been a lot in it for me and a lot
in it for the viewers to talk about women differently
and to maybe take away some of those terms that
have been used against them.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I was really hopeful going into this
that the wag title, especially for me, is it's something
that's negative. And I was happy for them to use
the term wag to describe me because I wanted to
come out there and show if this is what you
think a wag is. She got thirty nine days into
the game, she killed the challenges. What is a wag choo?
(21:49):
Is that still a trophy wife? It's not so. I
mean my actual profession, I'm in marketing, I'm fining my degree.
I'm a brain through and through. But I was very
happy for them to use the ter wag because I
was like, I, wag is not what you think it is.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
A wag is.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Wife and a partner of a football player, and that
is just a term. Every single partner of a football
player that I know is an amazing woman. She's the
backbone of her partner. She's his therapist, she's his psychologist,
she's his fucking nurse when he's sick, when he's injured.
She is the cook for the household. When it's game day,
she is doing everything. She's running her own business or
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she's killing a UNI. Every single wag that I know
is an absolute stand up, incredible woman. And I was
so proud to have that title there and try I
can get to thirty nine days all on my own.
My husband didn't get me. Here's nowhere to be.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Seen, so I'm here. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
He was so proud, and I think it was so
disappointed when I finally got to give them the call.
The funniest thing though, is that I gave it. I've
went out on date thirty nine and Jason's football number
is thirty nine, So I just had this feeling all day.
I was like, oh, it was like a sense of
relaxed feeling. I don't know, but it was also like
a h I think something it feels on numbers have
always been a big thing for me, and I was like,
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I think I'm going out today. I can feel it.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Writing was on the wall. Yet, So with the way
the universe will tell us these things before we go,
I just want to because we're talking about this week,
were you shocked with Kristen's elimination next and can you
can you give me your thoughts on the fact that
she said that she changed her gameplay and maybe that's
the reason why she came out, Like, what's your thoughts
on her exit?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah. No, Look, we weren't shocked that Kristin was coming
out next. We all chatted it in the Jury Villain.
We're like, what's going to happen? And I was like,
what I said is going to happen. It's going to
go one two three. So, I mean, Kristin is the
very first one to come out, and I'm hopeful that
the girls can do something about it and change that
sort of knockout of the one two three. But yeah,
Kristin did ruin her game a bit by not just
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sticking with a side and not She was upset when
I had to play my idol and I came back
and we had a chat, and she had really hurted
me because I was close. I had protected her so
much on Bawn. She was a name that was coming up,
and I had protected the hell out of her because
I wanted to work with her EMPD, so I'd protected
her and she knew about my idol. I had told
her in confidence about my idol, and she just didn't
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want to get her hands dirty a lot of the time.
I think she wanted to just blend in until she
didn't need to or she couldn't anymore. And that really
affected her game because when I came back and she
didn't tell me about to play my idol, she was
worried about the repercussions on her and I was like, Babe,
all you need to do is just whisper and say
play You're ade of tonight. I'm still voting for you.
It's fine, just play your idle, be safe. Just exactly
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what Karen did. No one had to know, but she
just wanted to play the middle a lot of the time,
and she didn't pick aside strongly. And I mean, when
you're out there, you have to stand ten toes down
on your alians. You can't flip flop. And I think
that's what really killed her game in the end, because
she just looked like she wasn't able to be trusted
by anyone out there at that time. So she was
an easy one to go unfortunately for the next one.
And I'm sad because I love her. She's a sweet
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little angel and her soul is very pure for.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
This game, probably a little bit too pure. But I
did like her exit interview. She was like, very humble
about it. She was like, oh, well, you know, she's
a great person.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Kristin is honestly just a saint. So hopefully we see
her on the summit. That would be great for her.
I think that's more her show.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, yeah, she'd be able to go to the Mountain.
For Fisher, I think that show has been canceled. I'm
only joking. What I want to ask you is there's
a lot of discussion about getting on the jury, and
I finished the podcast every time with this one question,
what is something from behind the scenes? This question kept
coming up from fans. There seems to be a lot
of eagerness to be a part of the jury, and like,
(25:29):
what an honor to be a part of it. But
can you turn it down? Can you get out of
the show and be like, no, I don't want to
be on the jury. I kept finding that question throughout
all of the depths of the internet.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I don't know, I'm not sure. I don't know why
you wouldn't want to be on the jury. If you've
made it that far in the game, it's pretty it's
pretty impressive, and I mean it's a front row seat
to your favorite show, so it is the most exciting
thing to be on the jury. I would never dream
of turning it down. I don't know if it's possible.
I should probably read her from my contract.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Someone turns it down, do they go back down the
list and get the person who just missed out on
the jury? That's what I when people were discussing that,
I was thinking, Oh my god, if someone turned down,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Think that would be possible because I mean, the person
that was left pre jury is already on a flight
home and they've already missed seeing that happened. So I
think that if anyone ever did decide to leave that
it would just it would just have to continue. You'd
have to be one. Do you remembered down? But I
don't think that they'd be able to bring someone back
in because it wouldn't be fair to the game.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Well, I think you've answered some questions right there. For
people on Reddit, there was and my only advice here
is don't read the comments on Reddit.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
My gosh, I'm like this on Reddit. I'm like that
one's nice. I was like, oh, they mean that one's nice. Oh,
that one's mean.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
All mean, it's all mean. That's what it used to
be with Twitter. I just want to say thank you
so much for being so generous and chatting with me
today and unpacking your experience on the show. You are
somebody that I think when people think of this season,
they will think of straight away, which is a great
ackle late to have. You want people to that's me.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
That's so hot.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
That's hot, that's so hot. We love that comparas impersonation
in your pajamas band. It is embarrassing. Enjoyed chatting to
the media and have such a great time with this. Yes,
so thank you, Thank.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You so much. Been lovely to chat with you.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Ben, lovely to chat all right, I'll let you go.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Thank you byee bye.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Thanks, thanks, oh thanks be oh see you mate,
It's in the news today, but it was actually on
TV Relogan podcast last week. They're wight. Hey guys, welcome
back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for
clicking and downloading on today's episode, and I'm excited to
bring you my chat with Logan, who absolutely earned this
opportunity to unpack her experience at Australian Survivor Brains versus
Braun too. Logan made it all the way to week
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seven and what has to be one of the most
unpredictable seasons I can remember. Now Miles managed to throw
some shade calling Logan an emotional player, but today we're
digging into weather. There's a difference between being an emotional
person and an emotional Survivor player. Let's just say it's
not as black and white as it seems. We will
(00:42):
also get into the fan theory that there was too
many conversations about going to Rocks and whether or not
that was actually a coincidence. Logan's going to also open
up about watching back her own demise this week, what
was really going through her mind and why it brought
her to tears. It's raw, it's honest, and definitely one
for the fans. Plus, Logan will spill the tea on
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who she thinks is a completely different person in real life,
the audience reaction to her sassy gameplay, and whether her
time as a Wag in the Wag world actually gave
her an edge in the game. Ohen. Of course, we
will get into the collapse of the original alliance with
the Coven, and Logan gives her simple explanation on why
that fell apart. There is actually a lot to unpack,
(01:27):
and you know there's going to be some behind the
scenes gold. So sit back, relax, and let's dive into
the world of Australian Survivor, which returns this Sunday and
Monday night. Very excited to be talking to you about
this show. You kind of had like a very emotional
ride with Survivor. What was it like for you in
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comparison to what you thought you were signing up for.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Look, honestly, I am just an emotional person. I was
an emotional player out there. I think people are getting
that really confused. I wear my heart on my sleeve
and I give my emotions to everything. I give them
all to my friendships, my alliances, and I think people
really confuse that with gameplay. I did not did not
vote emotionally once. If you go back through my track
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record of voting, I'm on the right side of most
of the votes until the end, and I voted strategically.
But it is hard. You go out there and everyone thinks,
like when they're watching, like, oh, just be a game bot,
like turn your emotions off. But we are playing a
game with human lives. We're not chess pieces. Unfortunately, we
do have emotion. So when you're playing a human game
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like that, when you're tired, you're stressed, you're delusional, half
the time, emotions come out and that's okay. It's a
human game, so it's a massive part of the game.
And I think to be torn apart because I have
emotions is really unfair.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Well, someone threw that out there. Who was that? There
was someone who said that through the season.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And they were like Miles. Miles definitely called me an
emotional player, But Miles is more of an emotion less player.
So I think we're on two opposite ends of the
spectrum there. Also, I've got mad Adhd and emotions is
something that I really struggle with. Impulse control and controlling
my emotions has always been something that was tough and
chucking the elements of Survivor and you've got twenty four
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extroverted cast members. It is a lot to handle. So
I mean I could have blown off the handle way
more than I did, and I really really reined it
in a lot. It's a human game, so I mean,
cut people some slack.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
How did you get on this show though, Like I
kind of imagine you wanting to apply for it?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah. So I've been a fan of the show since
I was about seven, so it was my favorite thing
to watch with my dad. It was one of our
things that we did my brothers and sisters and I
would sit up all night watching and my mum would
send us off to bed at bedtime right before travel council,
and I remember sitting in the hallway and trying to
sneak a peak of tribal Council. So it's always been
a part of my life. I've watched every season and
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my family is very big into games and competitive games,
and we do a lot of them based on Survivor things.
So we have a family challenge every year where our
were split into our teams, and we've been playing games
my entire life, so I applied originally for twenty seven.
I want to say I think it was that year,
and I've been in chats with the producers sort of
on and off since I went until I went on
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this year or last year.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Sorry, I'm going to say, so, how you were twelve
when you applied?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I was nineteen or twenty I think when I first applied.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And what did they say to you? For what? Not
putting you on? Because, like, to forgive me for saying this,
but you're sort of born to be in a competition
like this, Like you know, you've got a degree for it,
you have a passion for the show personally.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, I mean I think when I first chatted to them,
I got really really far in the process, and they
called me up the next year and sort of were
asking around of are you still interested and blah blah,
And I was actually pregnant at the time, so I
had to sort of say, yeah, I am, keep me
on the keep me on the roster, but not at
this stage. But I'm actually really I'm really glad I
didn't get on. I think I knew myself to a
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point when I'm nineteen twenty, but I didn't have any kids.
I wasn't married yet, and by the time that I've
got on this time, I have my life kind of
figured out. I know who I am. I'm very comfortable
with myself, very self aware. I know I'm emotional and
I use that in the best ways sometimes. And I
think if I went out there, I probably would have
self employed at twenty years old. So I'm really glad
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it didn't happen for me the first time.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Collect Your Stories is what I say.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I think I was trying to prove something to myself
at twenty or trying to be someone I wasn't, and
I think, yeah, by the time I got on, I
was like, I've got nothing to prove to I'm not
doing this for anybody other than myself. I need a
damn break. I've been raising kids like I'm twenty eight,
and I feel like I'm seventy five right now, Like
I need a break. I need to go do something
that's finally for me. I put a massive stop on
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my career and you need to have kids young with
my husband, and I just like, it is the time
for me to do something for myself. So glad it
didn't happen. The first few times I did have a
few chats with producers across the years. Obviously the second
time I was pregnant. The third time I chatted with them,
they wanted my husband to come on for blood versus Water,
and he was in the middle of forty so that
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didn't happen. And then I just left it for a
while until the universe called me and I picked up
and I was like, you know what it's happening this year,
I'm going to put myself out there and I'm going
to twit it.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And it worked, and it worked, and you did well.
You did very well to get so far into the competition.
We're very close to the end at this point. The
thing that I wanted to talk to about the most
when I saw your introduction was did socializing with wags
truly help you in the game of Survivor? Because I
thought that was positioned really well for your backstory.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, I mean absolutely. The football world is crazy, so
you have people come in and out the door constantly.
You have to position yourself within the group, and you
have to know who's in charge and who to talk
to and how to get yourself in certain places. I
think also, if you remember back in twenty twenty when
COVID hit, we all had to go into hubs in
the football world, so I was living in a hotel
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for three months, raising a nine month old daughter with
a bunch of girls that I had barely met, and
I had to be around them every day and it
was insane. The social dynamics of that was like being
on school camp and with a bunch of people that
you didn't know, and it was really challenging. So I
think that really set me up as well to be
in an environment where I wasn't comfortable, I didn't like
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some of the people, and I still had to manage
my way through that. So being a part of the
football world it has definitely helped me in making my
social connections and being able to fake it till I
make it.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I went to the football. You could probably tell from
just looking at me I'm not a big football person.
But anyway, I went to the football on Saturday night
with my youngest sister. She's fourteen years younger than me,
and she is dating a famous football as son who
now plays football, so she's a wag now ultimately slave. Yeah,
but I kept thinking about you that night. I kept
(07:41):
thinking about you. I kept watching the ways in which
the other football wives interacted with my sister, and the
way in which people put sort of a sense of
importance on your partner because they are playing this game.
There's sort of an unusual dynamic that gets created. But
when I kept thinking about you, I kept thinking, Logan's
(08:02):
really had to look deep into people's personalities every time
she meets them. Are they being genuine? Are they being honest?
What is it that they want from me? And that's
what I was thinking. Must be good for the game
of survivor, because you're going to meet a lot of
people in there that are going to give you the ick,
and I'm going to try and sell you something that
you don't want to buy.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Absolutely, I mean, you're absolutely right. That is the AFL world.
It's a revolving door of people coming in and out.
There is a lot of people that are not genuine.
And I think I've been a part of the world
for about nine years now and it's pretty easy for
me to spot. The thing is you kill you kill
everyone with kindness. That's the way that I go about
the football world is you just credit in your face
(08:43):
and you're lovely to everyone. There are people that most
of the time. I think now in my actual football group,
I do genuinely adore everyone, but they've also been around
for a very long time. But I think very early days,
it was difficult to navigate that and know that people
don't know if you're going to stick around, So they
don't know if they're going to bother talking to you
because they're like, oh, you could get dumped by your
boyfriend next week, so why would we make an effort
(09:04):
to be friends with you. So it is a bigger
part of that world has kind of set me up
for success in Survivor, and I think that particular reason
was why I didn't get along with Aj at the start,
because I just saw through what he was doing. I
was like, you have said the same sentence to every
single person on this camp on day one. You have
a beautiful smile and I love your vibe. And I
was like, hang on, hang on, hang on, if you
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said that there every single person, how can you mean that? Doll? Like,
I don't believe you, So I think rare, what's going on? Yeah,
this is nothing against Aj. I adore him as a
person outside of the game, where Bestie's I think most
of the cast outside of the game, we're all really
really great friends. But inside the game, I was like,
you are playing everyone here and I can see that,
So I'm not loving that, and I think that's what
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kind of turned him against me at the start. And
he put a target on my back on day five
and he was able to finally hit it on day
thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Well, it's a good question to ask you about the
way in which you trust your instincts. Were you correct?
Like did you? Because I mean, this is what happens
when you go on these shows. You spend time with
people in the in the bubble that gets created. Were
people different away from the cameras after the show had finished.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
No, I wouldn't say so. I mean I think the
person that was the most different was Aj, because Aj
the whole time was playing. I think everything that Aj
did was calculated and really strategic. And by the end,
I mean, like where he's at now, he's at what
is it, top six?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Now?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You can see he is frazzled, like he he wasn't sleeping.
I think I woke up in the middle of the
night one night to go. I think it was when
the knowledge is power, I think, and Zara came across
and I was like, oh, if there was one at
their camp. I was like, there's a chance of one
at ours. And I woke up in the middle of
the night and I was like, I can't sleep unless
I go check. And I wake up and I get
up and I walk back and as she's just standing
there like a shadowing camp, and I was like, bro,
(10:47):
do you ever sleep? Like, come on, he stopped eating,
He wasn't sleeping. You could just see even in the
last episode with Kristen where Miles are saying, let's keep
it simple, stupid and AG's like, there's this big plan,
you can do it, and I'm like, AJ dlling just
calm down. So out of everyone, I think AJ is
definitely the most different outside of the game. Miles is
straight up and down. What you see out there you get.
(11:08):
He's just a chatterbox who's just like this, this is
what I'm thinking, this is the way it's going to go.
And I'm like, cool, Miles, love you. Everyone out there
was pretty much the same, but AJ the whole time
was switched on in game mode, and it is really
nice to meet AJ outside of the game and say hi,
I'm Logan. This is a which aj Am I getting
Is this the real one? So the real aj is
a beautiful person and I really do it or him.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's interesting to see that this season of the show,
there's more women left in this show. You know, the
alpha males have been exterminated. I wonder whether or not,
if Zen had not had been hurt, what that might
have done to the game. I mean, what's your How
do you unpack the fact that the women have done
so well this season.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
It is a strategy game, and I think the women
notice this. At the beginning, we had really strong women
on the Brains tribe, and we're big thinkers. I mean,
we're on the brain for a reason, and we know
the way that reality shows go. It shows go, especially
strategical games, they do like to pick off women at
the start. It's just it happens. And we saw that
(12:10):
with a Candy vote. I think what was not shown
was that very very very first challenge when we're kind
of whack the key off the spiral and it gets
stuck in it's whole mess. Candy had gone up on
the shoulders of everyone and she was trying to whack
it off and she said, guys, I can't hit it,
I can't hold up the branch, and that sent her home.
So when they were splitting off of Nash, I chatted
(12:32):
to a few people on the Broad tribe about why
was Candy the first vote, like I didn't get to
meet her. I'm so sad she's not there, And they
said yeah, I mean they just said, she just said
she wasn't strong enough. And I think in a brown
dominated tribe, if you say you're not strong, you're gone.
So it was really really disappointing to see that happen,
and I think that's really encouraged the women on our
tribe to say we are sticking strong as women, refuse
(12:54):
to be sending home women. And then Indy kind of
mess it up at the very first vote because we
weren't gone for Indy, it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
She really needed to put her foot in it for
that though, which I put in.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It unfortunately, which stucked because I do want to work
with Indy, and especially we didn't want a woman, nor
a person of color going home first. It was really
important to our values as women that that's not what
that was not going to happen. Unfortunately, she did put
her foot in it, and we didn't really have any
other choice because she was going to blow off our plans.
So I think the women are proving that we can
play strategically. I think the thing that sucks the most
(13:23):
is that because we I especially am emotional, everyone's like, oh,
she doesn't know how to play the game. What is
she doing? She's just crying and winging, And I'm like, bro,
AJ has a little cry on a rock and you're like, oh,
poor a J. Paulie's crying. You're like poor Paulli Logan
cries and You're like, oh, that dumb bitch, And I'm like,
come on. The double standards for men and women on
TV shows is absolutely insane.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Surprised at how much the men cry on reality shows?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Do you know what tin fairness? Everyone cried, I can
tell you without a doubt, everyone cried out there. Mine
just was public. So I think when I first got
to Merge, I think Kate had said, oh, don't worry, babies,
I've cried every single day out here. I was like,
you've cried every day and she's like, yeah, every day
was fair enough. Actually, it's tough out here.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It's tough. It is really tough out there. What really
bothered me was that I know people that make this show,
so I'd heard a bit about the Coven, so I
was really excited, like I was about to watch American
horror story Coven seision, and yeah, this is going to
be great. It didn't get utilized as well as it
should have, like.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It turned more into a horror story.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It turned into a horror story, exactly right. You think
was the biggest problem in trying to utilize the Coven
as a strategic team that should have worked.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So the wheels came off because none of us were
completely willing all the time to sit in the backseat.
We all wanted to drive, and I think, I mean
there was definitely most of the time I did give
in and I let them take the wheel, but I
would ask in return, Hey, if I'm letting you take
control of this, I need to feel like I've been supported,
and the next time I want to go over this,
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I need your support. And I think what really put
a knife in the Coven was the graduates when Laura
wasn't very willing to vote off Rich and Zara hated
that and she wanted to turn to someone else who
she thought she can control or thought put more of
her trust in and I think that ended the coven really.
I mean, I mean we've got to merge right now.
We've got three out of four of us sitting on
(15:15):
the Drew bench, so we got ourselves far enough. I
just don't think we were built to last, which is fine,
but we've made some amazing friendships through it, and I'm
really glad that I get to take away that from this.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
You really didn't want to go to Rocks, you know,
and that was something that everyone debated a lot. Well,
I guess the most common question I saw was how
is it possible that everyone discussed rocks so predominantly throughout
that episode when an actual fact that really shouldn't have
been revealed or even it's such a strange anomaly for
this show, right, Yeah, so topical it was on. It
(15:47):
was so much on people's minds. Can you speak to
the reason why there was so much conversation about rocks?
And that's kind of where we ended up.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, So I think coming back into camp that day,
this split was so obvious. It was very clear. I mean,
Caitlin is the easiest person to pick up when he's lying,
and I went to chat with him and he wouldn't
look he'd look this way in this way, and he's like, yeah,
I don't know. And he said the same thing to Christian.
We had just worked together on this vote, and we
had tried to form an alliance. And as soon as
we've been away for twenty four hours and you're saying
(16:15):
you don't know the vote. It was so clear a
Jo and Miles were doing their thing. Zara is brought in.
Zara didn't want to talk to me, and I was like, Okay,
this is a four four. I'm a big Spove fan.
I know exactly what that means. This is going to rock.
So everyone knew that. I think also there's just the
element that the boys loved that idea as well. So
(16:36):
I think they were hyping it up and they really
wanted it to happen just because they love chaos. They
I think both like Miles was at a point probably
at that stage where he was like, if I go out,
I go out, But I just want to have fun
with this game, Like he really wanted to have fun.
I think probably where they're at now top six is
where they're starting to probably rain in their moves. I
think they before that they both are thinking, well, if
(16:57):
I'm just out here, I'm going to have fun with it.
But now I think they're probably they're probably going to
switch their mindsets and start playing a bit smarter, or
not smarter, but less chaotic. But the whole Rock situation
was really funny because Kate and Morgan and Kristen had
no idea what it was.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
They didn't know what it was, okay, So.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I deliberately did not tell them what Rocks was because
I'd just gotten on them on my side, and I
knew if they spooked them at camp, they would just
put my name down, so it was easier for them
to write my name and be safe then go to Rocks.
But I didn't want to tell them about that because
they didn't know what happened when it went to a split,
so I let it be. Unfortunately for me, I really
need to win Kristen over as to make it an
(17:37):
ununanimous boat. But Kristin was away for the scramble because
she accidentally got hurt by a wasp or stung by
wasp and she was unable to cat, so that really
put a knife in my game. I don't know if
she still would have gone to Rocks if I did
get the chance to chat to her about her about it,
but yeah, it was it sucks for me. The insects
because of Samoa really did not like me.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, I've got a friend of mine who did the
show and filmed it that lowtion and he took a
few months to get over the insects. He got stung
by something or he got like a skin infection. It's like,
I remember what it was. He wrung me to say
before doing it. He was like, should I do Survivor.
I was like, oh my god, that's amazing. Because I
hit him up on Instagram. I was like, you were
going to love that, And then he wrote to me
for a good few months being like I'm still not
(18:19):
overgoing possible. The insects, the bugs. You know, the environment
is pretty yark.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I mean. The good thing is when you get back
at night, you can't see, so you can't see what's
crawling on. You can't see what's next to you, so
you don't get that fit. The only thing that freaks
you out is when you wake up in the middle
of the night and there's a crab this size on
top of you. That's that's scary. That's not fun. That
is really it. The crabs out there are terrifying. They
like and I grew up in the country, so I'm
not really afraid of many things, but the crabs, when
(18:45):
they're the size of your head terrifying.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
That scares the shit out of me. I've just torn
up my If I was ever applying for the show,
you're like, that's gone. Was it brutal to watch the
show back? Because I rewatched the Tribal Councils because I'm
usually taking a bit of notes because I'm going to
talk to some of you guys, and I felt like
it was quite brutal to see everyone saying your name
at that point. What's the process like watching this show
(19:10):
back after you've you've given so much into it, and
when you were finally watching that Tribal Council plat in
its television format? Was that challenging? And were you second
guessing yourself on how that could have been played out
in any other way?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
No, honestly, I mean I know what happened. I know
how it all happened. I was really interested to see
the conversations that led to the split. I was looking
forward to that. I was like, I finally get the
inside Gus like, it's like finally being like a fly
on the wall everywhere. You get to see everything that happens,
and that's the exciting part of watching it back. It
wasn't hard to watch back. I actually cried, though, props
(19:44):
to the editors. It was like I was watching a character,
not myself, and I was like, that's so sad, and
I was like crying. I knew that I was getting for.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I know, but you know what, I was sort of
sad for you myself. Like I think it's you know,
it is a really strange dynamic that you could give
yourself up to be on a show like this and
then then it becomes a TV show, do you know
what I mean? Like you sometimes think, oh, I'm more
exciting than I really am, or I'm more bitchy than
I really am. I mean that's the sort of response
I had to myself on Telly. Yeah, And I just think,
you know it is there can be a disconnect when
(20:14):
you're watching it back. It sometimes feels like a caricature
of yourself, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think the thing with the show
is you have your confessionals and you're trying to be unmade.
It's like a time, I'm having a chat with you
right now, and I think people take that the wrong
way of like, oh, she's trying to put on someone.
I was like, this is just how I speak to
my friends. But when I'm out there on Survivor and
I'm trying to talk strategically, I'm not going babes, let's
do this, Let's blah blah blah. So it's funny to
watch the sort of the dichotomy between the two of
(20:41):
like Logan on the beach and then Logan talking to
the camera sort of thing. So it's a bit of
a funny one to watch back. And I do think
i'd come across a little bit you sometimes or a
little bit sassy.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And one of your friends on the show, Laura, corrected
me because I did talk about you. I said, you know,
she could be quite sassy. I think was the word
that I used, and she quickly corrected me on that
and she said, I love a sassy girl. And Laura
was like, I'm reclaiming the word, which you know, which
is synonymous with bitch, like you know I am. I'm
changing people's minds on the way that these words get
(21:13):
used about women. And I thought that this season, there's
been a lot in it for me and a lot
in it for the viewers to talk about women differently
and to maybe take away some of those terms that
have been used against them.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I was really hopeful going into this
that the wag title, especially for me, is it's something
that's negative. And I was happy for them to use
the term wag to describe me because I wanted to
come out there and show if this is what you
think a wag is. She got thirty nine days into
the game, she killed the challenges. What is a wag choo?
(21:49):
Is that still a trophy wife? It's not so. I
mean my actual profession, I'm in marketing, I'm fining my degree.
I'm a brain through and through. But I was very
happy for them to use the ter wag because I
was like, I, wag is not what you think it is.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
A wag is.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Wife and a partner of a football player, and that
is just a term. Every single partner of a football
player that I know is an amazing woman. She's the
backbone of her partner. She's his therapist, she's his psychologist,
she's his fucking nurse when he's sick, when he's injured.
She is the cook for the household. When it's game day,
she is doing everything. She's running her own business or
(22:24):
she's killing a UNI. Every single wag that I know
is an absolute stand up, incredible woman. And I was
so proud to have that title there and try I
can get to thirty nine days all on my own.
My husband didn't get me. Here's nowhere to be.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Seen, so I'm here. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
He was so proud, and I think it was so
disappointed when I finally got to give them the call.
The funniest thing though, is that I gave it. I've
went out on date thirty nine and Jason's football number
is thirty nine, So I just had this feeling all day.
I was like, oh, it was like a sense of
relaxed feeling. I don't know, but it was also like
a h I think something it feels on numbers have
always been a big thing for me, and I was like,
(23:00):
I think I'm going out today. I can feel it.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Writing was on the wall. Yet, So with the way
the universe will tell us these things before we go,
I just want to because we're talking about this week,
were you shocked with Kristen's elimination next and can you
can you give me your thoughts on the fact that
she said that she changed her gameplay and maybe that's
the reason why she came out, Like, what's your thoughts
on her exit?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah. No, Look, we weren't shocked that Kristin was coming
out next. We all chatted it in the Jury Villain.
We're like, what's going to happen? And I was like,
what I said is going to happen. It's going to
go one two three. So, I mean, Kristin is the
very first one to come out, and I'm hopeful that
the girls can do something about it and change that
sort of knockout of the one two three. But yeah,
Kristin did ruin her game a bit by not just
(23:44):
sticking with a side and not She was upset when
I had to play my idol and I came back
and we had a chat, and she had really hurted
me because I was close. I had protected her so
much on Bawn. She was a name that was coming up,
and I had protected the hell out of her because
I wanted to work with her EMPD, so I'd protected
her and she knew about my idol. I had told
her in confidence about my idol, and she just didn't
(24:05):
want to get her hands dirty a lot of the time.
I think she wanted to just blend in until she
didn't need to or she couldn't anymore. And that really
affected her game because when I came back and she
didn't tell me about to play my idol, she was
worried about the repercussions on her and I was like, Babe,
all you need to do is just whisper and say
play You're ade of tonight. I'm still voting for you.
It's fine, just play your idle, be safe. Just exactly
(24:26):
what Karen did. No one had to know, but she
just wanted to play the middle a lot of the time,
and she didn't pick aside strongly. And I mean, when
you're out there, you have to stand ten toes down
on your alians. You can't flip flop. And I think
that's what really killed her game in the end, because
she just looked like she wasn't able to be trusted
by anyone out there at that time. So she was
an easy one to go unfortunately for the next one.
And I'm sad because I love her. She's a sweet
(24:49):
little angel and her soul is very pure for.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
This game, probably a little bit too pure. But I
did like her exit interview. She was like, very humble
about it. She was like, oh, well, you know, she's
a great person.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Kristin is honestly just a saint. So hopefully we see
her on the summit. That would be great for her.
I think that's more her show.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, yeah, she'd be able to go to the Mountain.
For Fisher, I think that show has been canceled. I'm
only joking. What I want to ask you is there's
a lot of discussion about getting on the jury, and
I finished the podcast every time with this one question,
what is something from behind the scenes? This question kept
coming up from fans. There seems to be a lot
of eagerness to be a part of the jury, and like,
(25:29):
what an honor to be a part of it. But
can you turn it down? Can you get out of
the show and be like, no, I don't want to
be on the jury. I kept finding that question throughout
all of the depths of the internet.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I don't know, I'm not sure. I don't know why
you wouldn't want to be on the jury. If you've
made it that far in the game, it's pretty it's
pretty impressive, and I mean it's a front row seat
to your favorite show, so it is the most exciting
thing to be on the jury. I would never dream
of turning it down. I don't know if it's possible.
I should probably read her from my contract.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Someone turns it down, do they go back down the
list and get the person who just missed out on
the jury? That's what I when people were discussing that,
I was thinking, Oh my god, if someone turned down,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Think that would be possible because I mean, the person
that was left pre jury is already on a flight
home and they've already missed seeing that happened. So I
think that if anyone ever did decide to leave that
it would just it would just have to continue. You'd
have to be one. Do you remembered down? But I
don't think that they'd be able to bring someone back
in because it wouldn't be fair to the game.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Well, I think you've answered some questions right there. For
people on Reddit, there was and my only advice here
is don't read the comments on Reddit.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
My gosh, I'm like this on Reddit. I'm like that
one's nice. I was like, oh, they mean that one's nice. Oh,
that one's mean.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
All mean, it's all mean. That's what it used to
be with Twitter. I just want to say thank you
so much for being so generous and chatting with me
today and unpacking your experience on the show. You are
somebody that I think when people think of this season,
they will think of straight away, which is a great
ackle late to have. You want people to that's me.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
That's so hot.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
That's hot, that's so hot. We love that comparas impersonation
in your pajamas band. It is embarrassing. Enjoyed chatting to
the media and have such a great time with this. Yes,
so thank you, Thank.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
You so much. Been lovely to chat with you.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Ben, lovely to chat all right, I'll let you go.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Thank you byee bye.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Thanks, thanks, oh thanks be oh see you mate,
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