January 13, 2025 • 18 mins
IDENTITY CRISIS IS AN IMPORTANT FILM It's the new documentary from The Daily Wire which is Ben Shapiro's joint. Christian Toto talked to one of the film's makers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This past Friday, I was perusing X dot com and
I saw on the daily wires x Speed that they
were making available their latest documentary for free on X
this past weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And guys, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
If I'd seen it before the show was over on Friday,
I would have let you know. I did post about
it on Facebook and Twitter so you could go watch
it for free. The new movie is called Identity Crisis,
and it addresses the phenomena of D transitioners.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And D transitioner is someone who has.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Begun the process of switching genders and then decided at
some point, for a variety of reasons, that they did
not want to go forward with this. And in this
film they interview multiple people who were transitioned and regretted
it later and have now de transitioned. And this is
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a bigger part of the conversation in my mind when
it comes to gender firming care for CHI children.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And I want to be clear about this.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
If you're an adult and you decide to change your gender,
I wish you well. I hope it makes you happy
and brings you joy and all of that good stuff.
I no issues whatsoever. Pursue whatever you want to pursue
go crazy. For me, it is that children who cannot
sign a contract, get a credit card, get a tattoo,
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drive a car, any of these things are being allowed
to make permanent, life altering physical decisions at a very
young age, well before they can even remotely understand what
that means. And after I saw the film, I posted
about it again and Christian Toto wagh in and was like, ahem,
I talked to one of the.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Guys working on this film, and.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I went back and watched your interview, and now Christian
is joining me to talk about it. Our man Hollywood
and Toto is his website, it is his podcast. It
is all about the entertainment industry, film and television from
a right leaning perspective. Christian, you actually interviewed this guy,
and that interview I think was I think it should
be required watching after you watch the film, because in
(02:08):
and of itself is illuminating.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So, first of all, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
No thanks for having me back.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
You know, I'm happy to talk about this movie and
the conversation. And at the same time, I feel I
feel a little nervous about talking about this because it's
so off limits in a way. To defy the narrative
in this regards one of the reasons why I think
the film is so important because it pushes pass us
and said, listen, we need to talk about this. So yeah,
I talked to James Lindsay, who's a pretty critical player
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in this space, in this argument, in this arena, and
he was pretty blunt about that, you know why he
joined the movie and some of his thoughts, and you
really have to see the whole film itself to kind
of get the grasp and the flow of it. But
this is something we should be debating in the open,
in public. There should be multiple voices in this situation.
And the fact that even detransitioners are rarely heard. Do
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they ever get interviewed in the mainstream press? I suspect not.
I think that's another just a terrible, terrible fallout from
what's going on and sort of the boundaries being put
on this debate.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Well, and what's interesting is that I thought about this
last night as I was saying, this movie just stuck
with me. And I'm going to tell you something about
one of the things that a dear friend who is
on the left said about this film. Because I think
it's important going forward. But something occurred to.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Me about this movie. And if you watch What Is
a Woman?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
The Matt Walsh documentary also put out by The Daily Wire,
and then you watch Identity Crisis, you are seeing the
opposite sides of the coin of trans healthcare. That if
you watch these two films, and in Matt's documentary, he
spoke with people who are actively in the medical field
doing gender affirming care. So you hear from the medical professionals.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
And one of the.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Things that Matt does so brilliantly is he just lets
people talk. I hate he doesn't argue with them, he
doesn't yell at them. He just asked them a question
and then lets them talk. And when you hear from
their perspective, and now you see the other side of
the corn from people who were either rushed into transition
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or the most heartbreaking a former transman she has now
reverted back to being a female.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
When she said she.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Was suicidal as a teenager the day she was getting
a double miasectomy and they did it anyway that one
I was like, wait a minute, what is happening within
our medical community, Christian, And I think, to your point,
they're even more scared than we are to talk about this.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, I don't blame them, because there's blowback if you
take the wrong review.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Part of the issue that we don't get to hear
about that much is the kaching.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
This is a lot of money for the medical.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Community, and from what I understand, I don't know if
this is completely true, but part at least partially true.
They're creating lifelong patients in a way who will need
all the medications, the treatments, the upkeep sort of speak physically,
to stay healthy for the rest of their lives. It's
so it's so important to explore this issue and to
let these people have their say and yeah, the regret
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that they face and listen, there may be people who
go through the surgery and then they end up being
completely happy. I don't deny that at all. But we
need to have the full spectrum of opinions on this,
and we just don't.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
But I think we're moving.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Out of this area thankfully, where now we can talk
about things.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Now we can joke about things.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Actors Justin Bateman famously said, I feel like I can
breathe again.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I'm not walking on eggshells.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You know, with the Trump election and it's not about
Trumpet's about this sort of shift in the culture. These
are profound situations we're dealing with. These are kids, This
is their future, and the fact that we can't have
a debate in the public space is exasperating. Why do
we need an upstart movies to you in Deli wire
to make this movie.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Other people should be making it. It should be on
Netflix right now. But you know we would never It'll never.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Land there, right And that's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I mean, that's like I said, I feel like this
is the perfect companion piece to what is a woman
because it gives you both sides of this gender affirming
care coin. Let me share with you the conversation that
I had with my one of my dearest best friends
has been since childhood. She leans left and I usually
go to her and say, will you look at this
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or or will you you know, give me your opinion
because I know that she's going to give it a
thoughtful opinion from the left. And I said, she's also
a therapist, and I said, you need to watch this film.
Like I don't ever say you need to watch this film,
but you're a therapist, right, you need to understand what's happening,
so she watched the film.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
To her credit, she watched the film and.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Her biggest takeaway was the film discredits itself in my mind,
because they essentially portray doctors and people that are in
this industry as evil. And she like that, and I
thought to myself, and we actually talked about this. She said,
you know, I realized it was very biased. And I
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said to her very frankly, if I excluded biased material
from my life, there would be nothing left.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You have to understand that I deal with this every
single day of my life and I'm still doing it. Right,
I'm still reading and I'm still consuming. I just know
where the bias comes from. So use that filter. Go Okay,
this is biased in this direction. But there's great information
in there. And now we're kind of having a back
and forth about how persistent or how many people actually detransition.
(07:34):
And there's not a lot of real scientific literature on
this because a lot of times when people decide to
stop transitioning, they just stop and leave their health provider behind,
right because why go back? They don't want to be
shamed for detransitioning. There's a lot of nonsense around this
that needs to scientifically be looked at. That's the frustrating part.
(07:58):
The science doesn't back this stuff up for kids at all.
And that is one of the things that I took
away from this film. What do you think was the
most either shocking or illuminating.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Part for you?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You know, I've been reading up on this a lot,
so I don't think there were a lot of shocking
revelations here, just seem to confirm what I've read.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
A couple of quick thoughts.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
One is I don't think your friend's response is fair
because I mean, I think you could argue that some
of these doctors are well intentioned. Some of these doctors
haven't read the contrary points of view, so you know,
it's like saying, oh, my democratic friend is evil or wrong. No,
maybe he or she doesn't have all the information, or
maybe he or she is not processing improperly.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I don't think the film is saying you're evil, but
certainly casting blame on this whole landscape and you know,
letting people know what's going on. I understand the bias
angle as well. This is a very one sided presentation,
no doubt at all. But you also have to look
at who's speaking what they're saying. And finally, you know,
(09:04):
when it comes to these conversations, I'm very suspicious when
one side says quiet, shut up, go away, or will
punish you if you shared a posing point of view
and the other side saying, hey, let me speak.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I want to say something, right.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I mean, we've seen that on the free speech front,
we're seeing it here. How could you not be wildly
suspicious that people say I don't want to hear the
other side. Well, it sounds like a terrible point of view.
It also sounds like you don't have confidence in your
in your perspective.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Well, and ultimately.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
She is now doing a deeper dive, which is really
what these documentaries are about. And to the notion that
this is a one sided documentary, of course it is
because the other side's been presented over and over and
over and over again, so of course it's going to
be contrarian. My question for you overall Christian, because you
you're covering all aspects of what's happening in Hollywood right now.
(09:55):
I want to take this in a different direction instead
of just talking about this film. Yeah, taching what's happening
in California right now and now you're having celebrities come out,
and not just Dean Kine, Okay, not just your standard
right wing celebrities. You're having Chloe Kardashian call out the
mayor of Los Angeles. You're having celebrities call out Gavin Newsom.
(10:16):
You're having celebrities call out Democratic leadership. You mentioned before
that we were that it feels like things are starting
to shift. What are you seeing in the landscape prior
to the fires that you were seeing a little bit
of a shift, And do you think the disaster that
is unfolding in California could push that a little bit more?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Well, the shift I was seeing was where President Electrump
is not the monster, the boogeyman, where you could have
a celebrity like Sylvester Stallone, who is aggressively a political
and has been for decades, coming out in support of
him and not fearing for his career.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But I think what we're seeing now is that when
it comes to disastrous.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Policies, if you're on the left and you vote for
the new Sums of the world, you can insulate yourself.
You can say, listen, I'm sure taxes are high, prices
are high, gas is high, inflation is high.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But you know what, I'm pretty well off. I can.
I can. I can withstand the slings and arrows there.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Well, when your home is burning on the ground and
you learn about the serial incompetence. Yeah, one party one
rule has in California.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You can't dodge that anymore. At some point you have
to wake up.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
And you know, I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner across
the urban landscape where crime is rising, drugs are rising,
illegal immigrations causing problems, and the people living in those
cities say, yeah, we're gonna keep voting for the same
people that did it time and time again.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean, look at that thinking win.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Is it enough?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It's like Denver right now.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I mean this morning, we've already started talking. Two people
got murdered on the sixteenth Street mall this weekend. At
what point do Denver say enough, We've had enough. We
want a leader that puts public safety first before everything
else until that's solved.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's very very similar and very very disheartening. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
You know, when if you see someone who's been red pilled,
for lack of a better phrase, it's often because the
situation has touched them directly. Yep, Adam doctor Drew Pinsky,
He's watched the medical community say no, shut up, sit down,
don't have an opposing point of view.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
You can't argue for this. And then he got red pilled.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Jillian Michaels applied for a job and they said, well,
you're not the right skin color for this particular gig.
No matter that you bring a wealth of expertise to
the fitness world. When people get directly impacted by it,
all of a sudden, they start to wake up.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
And I hate that that's the reality.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
But often you know, people are going to have to
come face to face with what's going on to say, hey,
something is deeply wrong here. And I think one party
rule in any situation, left or right is disastrous.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I agree with you on that.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
And this film, getting back to identity Crasis the movie,
by the way, you can still see it at daily
wire dot com. I put a link to it, but
now you got to pay for it. So again, if
I'd seen this on Friday before the show was over,
I would have shared it with you guys, but I
stumbled across it on x dot com.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
About like distribution and wise, Is this a good move
for Daily Wire because this is our what as a
woman did really really well for a documentary. Do you
think this is to chin up the kind of word
of mouth that we're now giving them right now on
the radio by letting me see it for free and
now we're going to come out and talk about it more.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
This is a different strategy.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, I mean this is a split strategy. It's for
free for three days. I think goes behind the paywall.
I understand why the Daily Wire wants to put anything
behind the paywall. They've got to get subscribers. They've got
an app, you know, they've got a revenue base, they've
got to build up. It's it's just it's just survival
one o one. But if you do want to impact
the culture and change hearts and minds on a grand scale,
you've got to let people see it in other means.
(13:43):
So putting it for free on extra a couple of
days was exactly that, and they just had am I
Rats Sas in theaters and it became the biggest documentary
hit the last decade, I believe.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So I think there's got.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
To be some some a compromise here where a company
makes a film where they need to make a profit
with they need to kind of get subscribers.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But also you can't just make this in a vacuum.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
You know, most Daily Wire subscribers will probably not along
as they watch this in horror, but many other people
wouldn't and they're the ones who really need to see it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
That's I was talking to a friend of mine about this,
different friend of mine about this, and she said, are
they going to try and get it on other streaming platforms?
And said, I have no idea about what their plans
are in the future. But you're right if you're just
preaching to the choir, if you're only talking to the
membership that is paying the money for your conservative website,
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or is it worth doing?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Is it worth doing long term? I'm with you. I
would love to see them.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I mean, keep it behind to pay well for six months, right,
and then get it in front of people.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Make it available for people.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You know, Stephan Tubbs, my friend in yours, has done
such a phenomenal job making documentaries that are incredibly important.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
But Stefan makes.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Them free because it's not about making money for him.
It's about making sure that people can see what's going
on in these documentaries, and I'm hoping that the Daily
Wire keep it, you know, keep it back for six months,
do whatever you got to do. But then you've got
to let people see these movies. And if I were them,
I would start running out theaters around the country and
(15:11):
doing a double feature of what is a Woman and
Identity Crisis? That would be I would sign up for that.
I mean, it's better than Barbenheimer, right Like, I would
totally do that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
So that's what I'm hoping.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So we just need to get the word to the
Daily Wire about my strategy for them.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I feel like it's a winner.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, I agree, And you know, listen, this is just
an unfolding strategy for the Daily Wire and other platforms
are making this kind of counter culture art.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
By the way, one of the things I'm noticing.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Is that a lot of critics will will avoid these films,
not review these films, not given the oxygen that they deserve.
I checked recently. I don't know if anyone has reviewed
Identity Crisis. I know when Am I Racist? Came out,
the vast majority of film critics said, Nope, not going
to review it, not going to touch it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I can go near it in part because that gives
it publicity.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
One of the reason why publicists reach out to me
to have me see their films is because it's letting
people know the films exist, right, and if you don't
review the film, you're helping it get buried.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
And that's that's another part of this conversation, Tay.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
So hopefully we'll be able to see this film in
others because ultimately, and as I said before, for me,
this film is not about adults changing their gender. For me,
this is about the medical community who though and I'm
going to give them a grace on this though I
do believe they are they think they are doing the
right thing. I think that the amount of money that
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they are making from this allows them to be willfully
ignorant a little bit longer. And that's the distasteful part
for me, Like if I were chopping off, how far
we did, Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
One of the things we didn't mention is that one
of the people in the film is Buck Angel, who
is a transman, has been trans for many, many years now,
and he's against this situation. You know it really kind
of I mentioned this in my review cuts the whole
argument this is just big a tree.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
One on one I put in.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
These, yeah, exactly, Christian Toto. You can find his work.
I put his interview where he includes the conversation with
James Lindsay. I put that on the blog today so
people can watch that. I watched it this morning. It's
very good. You can also find his work and movie
reviews and all kinds of stuff at Hollywood intoto dot com.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
We got to get you, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
The Golden Gloves just happened, and I had actually seen
some of the shows that were honored at the Golden Globes.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I was shocked. I was shocked. Are they going to nominate.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Films for the Oscars that people have actually seen this time?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
That would be neat.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
The pickens this year are pretty indie, artsy exclusive.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
OK, so we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
By the way, those announcements have been just been delayed again.
I think January twenty third.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Oh wild fires. Yeah, on the chaos in Hollywood. A
real quick note.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I am watching and loving Landman. It's on Paramount Plus.
I have to just promote that as much as I can.
Billy Bob Thornton's suspect Acular series. If you get a
chance to check that out, please do.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Did you see the Lioness? Did you watch lions as well?
Another tailor share it Enjoint.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
No, that's next. I'm binging this right now.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Let me just give you.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I'll give you a little a little advice about The Lioness. Okay,
don't poke at the plot too much. Okay, don't poke
at it.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Just lean in. Just just let the plot be what
it is.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Okay, just like just accept it. It's outstanding. It's outstanding.
But I have an issue with Taylor shared It's writing.
We can talk about after you watch it.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Sounds good.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
That's Christian Toto. Find him at Hollywood in Toto both
the podcast and the website. Christian, We'll see again.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So Sude, my friend,
This past Friday, I was perusing X dot com and
I saw on the daily wires x Speed that they
were making available their latest documentary for free on X
this past weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And guys, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
If I'd seen it before the show was over on Friday,
I would have let you know. I did post about
it on Facebook and Twitter so you could go watch
it for free. The new movie is called Identity Crisis,
and it addresses the phenomena of D transitioners.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And D transitioner is someone who has.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Begun the process of switching genders and then decided at
some point, for a variety of reasons, that they did
not want to go forward with this. And in this
film they interview multiple people who were transitioned and regretted
it later and have now de transitioned. And this is
(00:54):
a bigger part of the conversation in my mind when
it comes to gender firming care for CHI children.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And I want to be clear about this.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
If you're an adult and you decide to change your gender,
I wish you well. I hope it makes you happy
and brings you joy and all of that good stuff.
I no issues whatsoever. Pursue whatever you want to pursue
go crazy. For me, it is that children who cannot
sign a contract, get a credit card, get a tattoo,
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drive a car, any of these things are being allowed
to make permanent, life altering physical decisions at a very
young age, well before they can even remotely understand what
that means. And after I saw the film, I posted
about it again and Christian Toto wagh in and was like, ahem,
I talked to one of the.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Guys working on this film, and.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I went back and watched your interview, and now Christian
is joining me to talk about it. Our man Hollywood
and Toto is his website, it is his podcast. It
is all about the entertainment industry, film and television from
a right leaning perspective. Christian, you actually interviewed this guy,
and that interview I think was I think it should
be required watching after you watch the film, because in
(02:08):
and of itself is illuminating.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So, first of all, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
No thanks for having me back.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
You know, I'm happy to talk about this movie and
the conversation. And at the same time, I feel I
feel a little nervous about talking about this because it's
so off limits in a way. To defy the narrative
in this regards one of the reasons why I think
the film is so important because it pushes pass us
and said, listen, we need to talk about this. So yeah,
I talked to James Lindsay, who's a pretty critical player
(02:38):
in this space, in this argument, in this arena, and
he was pretty blunt about that, you know why he
joined the movie and some of his thoughts, and you
really have to see the whole film itself to kind
of get the grasp and the flow of it. But
this is something we should be debating in the open,
in public. There should be multiple voices in this situation.
And the fact that even detransitioners are rarely heard. Do
(03:01):
they ever get interviewed in the mainstream press? I suspect not.
I think that's another just a terrible, terrible fallout from
what's going on and sort of the boundaries being put
on this debate.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Well, and what's interesting is that I thought about this
last night as I was saying, this movie just stuck
with me. And I'm going to tell you something about
one of the things that a dear friend who is
on the left said about this film. Because I think
it's important going forward. But something occurred to.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Me about this movie. And if you watch What Is
a Woman?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
The Matt Walsh documentary also put out by The Daily Wire,
and then you watch Identity Crisis, you are seeing the
opposite sides of the coin of trans healthcare. That if
you watch these two films, and in Matt's documentary, he
spoke with people who are actively in the medical field
doing gender affirming care. So you hear from the medical professionals.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
And one of the.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Things that Matt does so brilliantly is he just lets
people talk. I hate he doesn't argue with them, he
doesn't yell at them. He just asked them a question
and then lets them talk. And when you hear from
their perspective, and now you see the other side of
the corn from people who were either rushed into transition
(04:16):
or the most heartbreaking a former transman she has now
reverted back to being a female.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
When she said she.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Was suicidal as a teenager the day she was getting
a double miasectomy and they did it anyway that one
I was like, wait a minute, what is happening within
our medical community, Christian, And I think, to your point,
they're even more scared than we are to talk about this.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, I don't blame them, because there's blowback if you
take the wrong review.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Part of the issue that we don't get to hear
about that much is the kaching.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
This is a lot of money for the medical.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Community, and from what I understand, I don't know if
this is completely true, but part at least partially true.
They're creating lifelong patients in a way who will need
all the medications, the treatments, the upkeep sort of speak physically,
to stay healthy for the rest of their lives. It's
so it's so important to explore this issue and to
let these people have their say and yeah, the regret
(05:20):
that they face and listen, there may be people who
go through the surgery and then they end up being
completely happy. I don't deny that at all. But we
need to have the full spectrum of opinions on this,
and we just don't.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
But I think we're moving.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Out of this area thankfully, where now we can talk
about things.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Now we can joke about things.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Actors Justin Bateman famously said, I feel like I can
breathe again.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I'm not walking on eggshells.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
You know, with the Trump election and it's not about
Trumpet's about this sort of shift in the culture. These
are profound situations we're dealing with. These are kids, This
is their future, and the fact that we can't have
a debate in the public space is exasperating. Why do
we need an upstart movies to you in Deli wire
to make this movie.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Other people should be making it. It should be on
Netflix right now. But you know we would never It'll never.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Land there, right And that's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I mean, that's like I said, I feel like this
is the perfect companion piece to what is a woman
because it gives you both sides of this gender affirming
care coin. Let me share with you the conversation that
I had with my one of my dearest best friends
has been since childhood. She leans left and I usually
go to her and say, will you look at this
(06:28):
or or will you you know, give me your opinion
because I know that she's going to give it a
thoughtful opinion from the left. And I said, she's also
a therapist, and I said, you need to watch this film.
Like I don't ever say you need to watch this film,
but you're a therapist, right, you need to understand what's happening,
so she watched the film.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
To her credit, she watched the film and.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Her biggest takeaway was the film discredits itself in my mind,
because they essentially portray doctors and people that are in
this industry as evil. And she like that, and I
thought to myself, and we actually talked about this. She said,
you know, I realized it was very biased. And I
(07:06):
said to her very frankly, if I excluded biased material
from my life, there would be nothing left.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You have to understand that I deal with this every
single day of my life and I'm still doing it. Right,
I'm still reading and I'm still consuming. I just know
where the bias comes from. So use that filter. Go Okay,
this is biased in this direction. But there's great information
in there. And now we're kind of having a back
and forth about how persistent or how many people actually detransition.
(07:34):
And there's not a lot of real scientific literature on
this because a lot of times when people decide to
stop transitioning, they just stop and leave their health provider behind,
right because why go back? They don't want to be
shamed for detransitioning. There's a lot of nonsense around this
that needs to scientifically be looked at. That's the frustrating part.
(07:58):
The science doesn't back this stuff up for kids at all.
And that is one of the things that I took
away from this film. What do you think was the
most either shocking or illuminating.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Part for you?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You know, I've been reading up on this a lot,
so I don't think there were a lot of shocking
revelations here, just seem to confirm what I've read.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
A couple of quick thoughts.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
One is I don't think your friend's response is fair
because I mean, I think you could argue that some
of these doctors are well intentioned. Some of these doctors
haven't read the contrary points of view, so you know,
it's like saying, oh, my democratic friend is evil or wrong. No,
maybe he or she doesn't have all the information, or
maybe he or she is not processing improperly.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I don't think the film is saying you're evil, but
certainly casting blame on this whole landscape and you know,
letting people know what's going on. I understand the bias
angle as well. This is a very one sided presentation,
no doubt at all. But you also have to look
at who's speaking what they're saying. And finally, you know,
(09:04):
when it comes to these conversations, I'm very suspicious when
one side says quiet, shut up, go away, or will
punish you if you shared a posing point of view
and the other side saying, hey, let me speak.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I want to say something, right.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I mean, we've seen that on the free speech front,
we're seeing it here. How could you not be wildly
suspicious that people say I don't want to hear the
other side. Well, it sounds like a terrible point of view.
It also sounds like you don't have confidence in your
in your perspective.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Well, and ultimately.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
She is now doing a deeper dive, which is really
what these documentaries are about. And to the notion that
this is a one sided documentary, of course it is
because the other side's been presented over and over and
over and over again, so of course it's going to
be contrarian. My question for you overall Christian, because you
you're covering all aspects of what's happening in Hollywood right now.
(09:55):
I want to take this in a different direction instead
of just talking about this film. Yeah, taching what's happening
in California right now and now you're having celebrities come out,
and not just Dean Kine, Okay, not just your standard
right wing celebrities. You're having Chloe Kardashian call out the
mayor of Los Angeles. You're having celebrities call out Gavin Newsom.
(10:16):
You're having celebrities call out Democratic leadership. You mentioned before
that we were that it feels like things are starting
to shift. What are you seeing in the landscape prior
to the fires that you were seeing a little bit
of a shift, And do you think the disaster that
is unfolding in California could push that a little bit more?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Well, the shift I was seeing was where President Electrump
is not the monster, the boogeyman, where you could have
a celebrity like Sylvester Stallone, who is aggressively a political
and has been for decades, coming out in support of
him and not fearing for his career.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But I think what we're seeing now is that when
it comes to disastrous.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Policies, if you're on the left and you vote for
the new Sums of the world, you can insulate yourself.
You can say, listen, I'm sure taxes are high, prices
are high, gas is high, inflation is high.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But you know what, I'm pretty well off. I can.
I can. I can withstand the slings and arrows there.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Well, when your home is burning on the ground and
you learn about the serial incompetence. Yeah, one party one
rule has in California.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You can't dodge that anymore. At some point you have
to wake up.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
And you know, I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner across
the urban landscape where crime is rising, drugs are rising,
illegal immigrations causing problems, and the people living in those
cities say, yeah, we're gonna keep voting for the same
people that did it time and time again.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean, look at that thinking win.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Is it enough?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It's like Denver right now.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I mean this morning, we've already started talking. Two people
got murdered on the sixteenth Street mall this weekend. At
what point do Denver say enough, We've had enough. We
want a leader that puts public safety first before everything
else until that's solved.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It's very very similar and very very disheartening. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
You know, when if you see someone who's been red pilled,
for lack of a better phrase, it's often because the
situation has touched them directly. Yep, Adam doctor Drew Pinsky,
He's watched the medical community say no, shut up, sit down,
don't have an opposing point of view.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
You can't argue for this. And then he got red pilled.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Jillian Michaels applied for a job and they said, well,
you're not the right skin color for this particular gig.
No matter that you bring a wealth of expertise to
the fitness world. When people get directly impacted by it,
all of a sudden, they start to wake up.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
And I hate that that's the reality.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
But often you know, people are going to have to
come face to face with what's going on to say, hey,
something is deeply wrong here. And I think one party
rule in any situation, left or right is disastrous.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I agree with you on that.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
And this film, getting back to identity Crasis the movie,
by the way, you can still see it at daily
wire dot com. I put a link to it, but
now you got to pay for it. So again, if
I'd seen this on Friday before the show was over,
I would have shared it with you guys, but I
stumbled across it on x dot com.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
About like distribution and wise, Is this a good move
for Daily Wire because this is our what as a
woman did really really well for a documentary. Do you
think this is to chin up the kind of word
of mouth that we're now giving them right now on
the radio by letting me see it for free and
now we're going to come out and talk about it more.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
This is a different strategy.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, I mean this is a split strategy. It's for
free for three days. I think goes behind the paywall.
I understand why the Daily Wire wants to put anything
behind the paywall. They've got to get subscribers. They've got
an app, you know, they've got a revenue base, they've
got to build up. It's it's just it's just survival
one o one. But if you do want to impact
the culture and change hearts and minds on a grand scale,
you've got to let people see it in other means.
(13:43):
So putting it for free on extra a couple of
days was exactly that, and they just had am I
Rats Sas in theaters and it became the biggest documentary
hit the last decade, I believe.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So I think there's got.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
To be some some a compromise here where a company
makes a film where they need to make a profit
with they need to kind of get subscribers.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But also you can't just make this in a vacuum.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
You know, most Daily Wire subscribers will probably not along
as they watch this in horror, but many other people
wouldn't and they're the ones who really need to see it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
That's I was talking to a friend of mine about this,
different friend of mine about this, and she said, are
they going to try and get it on other streaming platforms?
And said, I have no idea about what their plans
are in the future. But you're right if you're just
preaching to the choir, if you're only talking to the
membership that is paying the money for your conservative website,
(14:32):
or is it worth doing?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Is it worth doing long term? I'm with you. I
would love to see them.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I mean, keep it behind to pay well for six months, right,
and then get it in front of people.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Make it available for people.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
You know, Stephan Tubbs, my friend in yours, has done
such a phenomenal job making documentaries that are incredibly important.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
But Stefan makes.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Them free because it's not about making money for him.
It's about making sure that people can see what's going
on in these documentaries, and I'm hoping that the Daily
Wire keep it, you know, keep it back for six months,
do whatever you got to do. But then you've got
to let people see these movies. And if I were them,
I would start running out theaters around the country and
(15:11):
doing a double feature of what is a Woman and
Identity Crisis? That would be I would sign up for that.
I mean, it's better than Barbenheimer, right Like, I would
totally do that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
So that's what I'm hoping.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So we just need to get the word to the
Daily Wire about my strategy for them.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I feel like it's a winner.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, I agree, And you know, listen, this is just
an unfolding strategy for the Daily Wire and other platforms
are making this kind of counter culture art.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
By the way, one of the things I'm noticing.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Is that a lot of critics will will avoid these films,
not review these films, not given the oxygen that they deserve.
I checked recently. I don't know if anyone has reviewed
Identity Crisis. I know when Am I Racist? Came out,
the vast majority of film critics said, Nope, not going
to review it, not going to touch it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I can go near it in part because that gives
it publicity.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
One of the reason why publicists reach out to me
to have me see their films is because it's letting
people know the films exist, right, and if you don't
review the film, you're helping it get buried.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
And that's that's another part of this conversation, Tay.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
So hopefully we'll be able to see this film in
others because ultimately, and as I said before, for me,
this film is not about adults changing their gender. For me,
this is about the medical community who though and I'm
going to give them a grace on this though I
do believe they are they think they are doing the
right thing. I think that the amount of money that
(16:34):
they are making from this allows them to be willfully
ignorant a little bit longer. And that's the distasteful part
for me, Like if I were chopping off, how far
we did, Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
One of the things we didn't mention is that one
of the people in the film is Buck Angel, who
is a transman, has been trans for many, many years now,
and he's against this situation. You know it really kind
of I mentioned this in my review cuts the whole
argument this is just big a tree.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
One on one I put in.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
These, yeah, exactly, Christian Toto. You can find his work.
I put his interview where he includes the conversation with
James Lindsay. I put that on the blog today so
people can watch that. I watched it this morning. It's
very good. You can also find his work and movie
reviews and all kinds of stuff at Hollywood intoto dot com.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
We got to get you, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
The Golden Gloves just happened, and I had actually seen
some of the shows that were honored at the Golden Globes.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I was shocked. I was shocked. Are they going to nominate.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Films for the Oscars that people have actually seen this time?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
That would be neat.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
The pickens this year are pretty indie, artsy exclusive.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
OK, so we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
By the way, those announcements have been just been delayed again.
I think January twenty third.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Oh wild fires. Yeah, on the chaos in Hollywood. A
real quick note.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
I am watching and loving Landman. It's on Paramount Plus.
I have to just promote that as much as I can.
Billy Bob Thornton's suspect Acular series. If you get a
chance to check that out, please do.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Did you see the Lioness? Did you watch lions as well?
Another tailor share it Enjoint.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
No, that's next. I'm binging this right now.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Let me just give you.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I'll give you a little a little advice about The Lioness. Okay,
don't poke at the plot too much. Okay, don't poke
at it.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Just lean in. Just just let the plot be what
it is.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Okay, just like just accept it. It's outstanding. It's outstanding.
But I have an issue with Taylor shared It's writing.
We can talk about after you watch it.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Sounds good.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
That's Christian Toto. Find him at Hollywood in Toto both
the podcast and the website. Christian, We'll see again.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So Sude, my friend,
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