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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You have been a busy boy. You have been everywhere.
You've been all over the place. You went to Washington,
d C. Let's do a little recap of where you've
been rich since the last time you were on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh my gosh, where haven't I been? I feel like
you're right, I've been everywhere. But yeah, the big one
was Washington, DC. A couple of weeks ago. We were
back there and we actually introduced what we call a
Detransitioner's Bill of Rights. And this bill, all it really
does is it creates a cause of action and a
statute of limitations for anyone who has been harmed by
(00:32):
what we call gender affirming care. And that was a
big bill trying to get that introduced. I've got some
good sponsorship and support in both chambers. We met with
over one hundred members of Congress. We also had a nice,
fun little meeting with Candice Jackson, who is the senior
counsel for the Department of Education, reports directly to Linda
(00:54):
McMahon and other people that we had some let's just say,
we had some top leadership of our country that we
got to meet with, and we discussed quite a few
things that are going on here in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So let me ask you say that, let me just
ask this question about people who have been rushed into
medicalization when it comes to being trans and I feel
like rich. Every time I open up social media, I'm
seeing another interview with a person who was essentially just
given hormones almost immediately when they went in for depression
(01:33):
or other things. And now they're detransitioning. It seems like
more and more detransitioners are getting their stories out. But
what is the current state of affairs if they want
to go and pursue some kind of legal remedy against
the people that rush them into transition, what is the
current state?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That is a complicated question answer because and it does
vary from state to state, but in most states you
have if you have any sort of statute of limitations,
that's two years, and it takes longer for people to
regret something like that, And so a lot of times
the other in the in the worst case scenarios, in
(02:12):
cases like Colorado, for example, de transitioning is actually prohibited
by our law that prohibits people from well I'm trying
to think there's right.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, they call it conversion therapy, and it's.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Not yes, And so that was the other thing we
find on We're going to be helping write an anarchist
brief that actually supports the Colorado case that's being heard
at the Supreme Court to overturn that band. And a
lot of people are like, wow, why would gay people
support that? I, for one, am someone who went through
(02:52):
that type of conversion therapy, so I have a lot
of feelings about that. But what they did was they
tied it to detransitioning. Conditioning is not the same as
as conversion therapy. You're converting somebody when you put them
down this path of medicalization, and I try to reconcile
other Natle sex that is not conversion therapy. And so
they've got it backwards. And that's why this is a
(03:14):
terrible piece of legislation, a terrible law that needs to
be struck down by the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And Rich it's fascinating to me that we have legislators
who are just so willfully ignorant about more and more
information coming out that says things like about eighty percent
of children who have some kind of gender dysphoria, if
left alone, right, just leave them to their own devices,
maybe get them some counseling to help them work through
(03:41):
the sticky parts of puberty and all of these other things.
Eighty percent of them come to reconcile with their own gender. Now,
if they are affirmed, one hundred percent of them go
on to medicalization for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, And that's the thing. That's why I keep saying
this is a form of modern day conversion therapy. And
when you say willful ignorance, I really don't think they're
ignorant about it at all. I think they know exactly
what they're doing, and I think that they know that
it's wrong. And that's why we've seen what's going on
at the state capital go on at the state capital.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So you believe it's an on purpose situation.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I totally believe it's on purpose. And I think that
if you were to look behind the curtain, follow the money,
who is the one who what industry benefits from all
of this? The only winners, if you can say this,
the only winners when it comes to gender affirming care
is the medical industrial complex.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Exactly follow the money. Indeed, now rich Yesterday, they gabbled
into session on a Sunday morning to do a third
reading for some incredibly onerous legislation that would say, if
you're a parent and you are in a divorced situation,
a custody situation, if you refuse to affirm the gender
(04:57):
of your child who has declared that they are another gender,
that can be used to limit your time with your kid.
It can be used to prevent you from getting custody.
Are we to point where the people of Colorado are
going to be pushed far enough to start pushing back?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I hope so, Manny. And it's not just in a
divorce case. This is a situation where if a child
goes to school and says, Mommy and Daddy don't believe
that I identify as something else other than what I am,
that child's teacher can report that, and now misgendering and
dead meaning is going to be considered a hate crime
(05:33):
in Colorado, and child Protection Services can come in and say, well,
you didn't affirm your child's gender identity, and now we're
going to remove the child from your custody and we're
going to place them in foster care where we know
last year's house built ten seventeen requires lost their parents
to it firm a child's gender identity. And expression, and
the state to medicalize them. This is when Mandy, when
(05:56):
I speak hyperbolically, I don't do this lightly. This isn't
hyperbole when I say the day has arrived for parents
to either fight for their children at the state capitol,
which costs nothing, or they will fight for their children
in court, which can cost everything. Because the police are armed.
(06:17):
Forces will show up, men in uniforms will show up
to your door, kick down your door, remove your children
with force, and send them off to the camps. This
is reality in Colorado. So parents have a choice to make.
You can show up to the capitol and fight, or
you can show up to the courtroom and fight. But
the time to remain silent and sit on the sidelines
is over. You know what it is.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Rich is that most people think, well, my kid's not
going to come home and say I'm trans. My kid's fine,
my kids normal. I don't need to worry about that.
And that's where we end up with people sitting silently
because they don't want to be called a bigot. They
don't want to be called a homophobe or a trans phobe,
which is the tools that have been deployed for years
(06:58):
to shut people up luckily don't work. And I know
that you have been on the receiving end of those
slings and arrows. So what is the next thing for
Days against Groomers and what are you organizing and how
can we support this?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
're going to have an X space, so if you're
on X you can follow us against AGI, n stgr
mrs against grimmers. You can look us up on X.
We're going to host an X space tomorrow night at
six pm our time, and we're going to have lawyers, therapists, doctors,
parents talking about this bill, legislators talking about this bill,
(07:33):
because this is one of the most egregious infringements on
both the First Amendment and the fourteenth Amendment, which gives
parents the right to raise our children of ac fit
in our country, in our history. This is one of
the worst bills we've ever seen. And so we're gonna
have experts talking about this from various perspectives, and we're
also going to give parents and citizens the opportunity to
(07:56):
learn how to sign up to testify against this bill,
because that's it has come down to. You have to fight.
At this point in time. The war is here and
we are on the front lines. And if you don't
want to lose your children forever to this madness. You
got to stand up. You gotta fight, and you've got
to bring your neighbors and your friends and everybody you
know to the capital to fight against this stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Well, I will put it on my blog tomorrow as
a reminder, and I'll put a link on the blog
tomorrow so you can easily we can direct people there.
But Rich, I just every time I talk to you,
I'm so grateful that you are out there fighting as
a non parent. Yeah, Rich doesn't have kids yet, so
you know, we never know if what his plans are,
(08:39):
but you're out there fighting the fight that I think
a lot of parents are scared to fight because they
don't want to be called a bigot. They don't want
to be called the names. But the reality is is
that science is on our side, and more and more
science is on our side. The truth, as Rich just said,
is on our side. All right, I'll put it on
the blog tomorrow. Rich, thank you so much for giving
(08:59):
us a little time. Do they talk about.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It a great day? You too?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
That's Rich Cogenheim from Gaze Against Rumors, And I'll put
that on tomorrow's blog, so you can see it there
You have been a busy boy. You have been everywhere.
You've been all over the place. You went to Washington,
d C. Let's do a little recap of where you've
been rich since the last time you were on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh my gosh, where haven't I been? I feel like
you're right, I've been everywhere. But yeah, the big one
was Washington, DC. A couple of weeks ago. We were
back there and we actually introduced what we call a
Detransitioner's Bill of Rights. And this bill, all it really
does is it creates a cause of action and a
statute of limitations for anyone who has been harmed by
(00:32):
what we call gender affirming care. And that was a
big bill trying to get that introduced. I've got some
good sponsorship and support in both chambers. We met with
over one hundred members of Congress. We also had a nice,
fun little meeting with Candice Jackson, who is the senior
counsel for the Department of Education, reports directly to Linda
(00:54):
McMahon and other people that we had some let's just say,
we had some top leadership of our country that we
got to meet with, and we discussed quite a few
things that are going on here in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So let me ask you say that, let me just
ask this question about people who have been rushed into
medicalization when it comes to being trans and I feel
like rich. Every time I open up social media, I'm
seeing another interview with a person who was essentially just
given hormones almost immediately when they went in for depression
(01:33):
or other things. And now they're detransitioning. It seems like
more and more detransitioners are getting their stories out. But
what is the current state of affairs if they want
to go and pursue some kind of legal remedy against
the people that rush them into transition, what is the
current state?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That is a complicated question answer because and it does
vary from state to state, but in most states you
have if you have any sort of statute of limitations,
that's two years, and it takes longer for people to
regret something like that, And so a lot of times
the other in the in the worst case scenarios, in
(02:12):
cases like Colorado, for example, de transitioning is actually prohibited
by our law that prohibits people from well I'm trying
to think there's right.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, they call it conversion therapy, and it's.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Not yes, And so that was the other thing we
find on We're going to be helping write an anarchist
brief that actually supports the Colorado case that's being heard
at the Supreme Court to overturn that band. And a
lot of people are like, wow, why would gay people
support that? I, for one, am someone who went through
(02:52):
that type of conversion therapy, so I have a lot
of feelings about that. But what they did was they
tied it to detransitioning. Conditioning is not the same as
as conversion therapy. You're converting somebody when you put them
down this path of medicalization, and I try to reconcile
other Natle sex that is not conversion therapy. And so
they've got it backwards. And that's why this is a
(03:14):
terrible piece of legislation, a terrible law that needs to
be struck down by the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
And Rich it's fascinating to me that we have legislators
who are just so willfully ignorant about more and more
information coming out that says things like about eighty percent
of children who have some kind of gender dysphoria, if
left alone, right, just leave them to their own devices,
maybe get them some counseling to help them work through
(03:41):
the sticky parts of puberty and all of these other things.
Eighty percent of them come to reconcile with their own gender. Now,
if they are affirmed, one hundred percent of them go
on to medicalization for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, And that's the thing. That's why I keep saying
this is a form of modern day conversion therapy. And
when you say willful ignorance, I really don't think they're
ignorant about it at all. I think they know exactly
what they're doing, and I think that they know that
it's wrong. And that's why we've seen what's going on
at the state capital go on at the state capital.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So you believe it's an on purpose situation.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I totally believe it's on purpose. And I think that
if you were to look behind the curtain, follow the money,
who is the one who what industry benefits from all
of this? The only winners, if you can say this,
the only winners when it comes to gender affirming care
is the medical industrial complex.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Exactly follow the money. Indeed, now rich Yesterday, they gabbled
into session on a Sunday morning to do a third
reading for some incredibly onerous legislation that would say, if
you're a parent and you are in a divorced situation,
a custody situation, if you refuse to affirm the gender
(04:57):
of your child who has declared that they are another gender,
that can be used to limit your time with your kid.
It can be used to prevent you from getting custody.
Are we to point where the people of Colorado are
going to be pushed far enough to start pushing back?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I hope so, Manny. And it's not just in a
divorce case. This is a situation where if a child
goes to school and says, Mommy and Daddy don't believe
that I identify as something else other than what I am,
that child's teacher can report that, and now misgendering and
dead meaning is going to be considered a hate crime
(05:33):
in Colorado, and child Protection Services can come in and say, well,
you didn't affirm your child's gender identity, and now we're
going to remove the child from your custody and we're
going to place them in foster care where we know
last year's house built ten seventeen requires lost their parents
to it firm a child's gender identity. And expression, and
the state to medicalize them. This is when Mandy, when
(05:56):
I speak hyperbolically, I don't do this lightly. This isn't
hyperbole when I say the day has arrived for parents
to either fight for their children at the state capitol,
which costs nothing, or they will fight for their children
in court, which can cost everything. Because the police are armed.
(06:17):
Forces will show up, men in uniforms will show up
to your door, kick down your door, remove your children
with force, and send them off to the camps. This
is reality in Colorado. So parents have a choice to make.
You can show up to the capitol and fight, or
you can show up to the courtroom and fight. But
the time to remain silent and sit on the sidelines
is over. You know what it is.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Rich is that most people think, well, my kid's not
going to come home and say I'm trans. My kid's fine,
my kids normal. I don't need to worry about that.
And that's where we end up with people sitting silently
because they don't want to be called a bigot. They
don't want to be called a homophobe or a trans phobe,
which is the tools that have been deployed for years
(06:58):
to shut people up luckily don't work. And I know
that you have been on the receiving end of those
slings and arrows. So what is the next thing for
Days against Groomers and what are you organizing and how
can we support this?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
're going to have an X space, so if you're
on X you can follow us against AGI, n stgr
mrs against grimmers. You can look us up on X.
We're going to host an X space tomorrow night at
six pm our time, and we're going to have lawyers, therapists, doctors,
parents talking about this bill, legislators talking about this bill,
(07:33):
because this is one of the most egregious infringements on
both the First Amendment and the fourteenth Amendment, which gives
parents the right to raise our children of ac fit
in our country, in our history. This is one of
the worst bills we've ever seen. And so we're gonna
have experts talking about this from various perspectives, and we're
also going to give parents and citizens the opportunity to
(07:56):
learn how to sign up to testify against this bill,
because that's it has come down to. You have to fight.
At this point in time. The war is here and
we are on the front lines. And if you don't
want to lose your children forever to this madness. You
got to stand up. You gotta fight, and you've got
to bring your neighbors and your friends and everybody you
know to the capital to fight against this stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Well, I will put it on my blog tomorrow as
a reminder, and I'll put a link on the blog
tomorrow so you can easily we can direct people there.
But Rich, I just every time I talk to you,
I'm so grateful that you are out there fighting as
a non parent. Yeah, Rich doesn't have kids yet, so
you know, we never know if what his plans are,
(08:39):
but you're out there fighting the fight that I think
a lot of parents are scared to fight because they
don't want to be called a bigot. They don't want
to be called the names. But the reality is is
that science is on our side, and more and more
science is on our side. The truth, as Rich just said,
is on our side. All right, I'll put it on
the blog tomorrow. Rich, thank you so much for giving
(08:59):
us a little time. Do they talk about.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It a great day? You too?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
That's Rich Cogenheim from Gaze Against Rumors, And I'll put
that on tomorrow's blog, so you can see it there
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