Lust

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
These are our stories.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Done done, Yay, that's messed up an SCVU podcast. We

(00:32):
are out of the time machine and I am Lisa
Traeger and I'm Kara Klank.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
We're back. It's our first episode that we're no.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
This is our so this will be the second episode
coming out in twenty twenty five, but it's our first
time chatting in Fresh five Fresh Your.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Day after January sixth, which every time I do see
a new photo or video, I'm like, wow, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
That wasn't a bigger deal.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Wow, they really killed some cops, Like they really like
went nuts. They really were trying to murder the vice
president of the United States, And it is a blip
on our radar of life.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's wild.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's been a very concentrated effort to make us not
remember it.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Oppostead of nine to eleven, They're like, never remember, honey.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I remember. It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
That's not how I wanted to start our first you know,
obviously No Five getting you know, we have.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
To have a nine to eleven reference as soon as
possible on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
That is what we do.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Everything is our violation in time and space to where
nine to eleven is and happened.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I do need to start up just selfishly.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I will say my Netflix comedy special Night It comes out.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
January twenty eighth.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
I need you to get on your Netflix now and
there's a feature if you look me out you could
do remind me. So just you remind me and then
it'll pop up and you have to watch. And not
to be desperate, but I do want to be in
the top ten, and it is all up.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
To you, and I feel like the more of you
that you're family and me and then it'll that'll help
it get into the top ten. And just do it now,
because I never remember the ship that comes out on
Netflix until it's like two days later.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Let's get on at the day of everybody come on.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
So yeah, I'll be out here, I'll be posting, I'll
be desperate, and then I hope you like it. But
I did want to say that up to I can't
wait to see it.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
That little night Owl. You can even you should watch it.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
But honestly, Like even if you put it on and
then leave the house, that's.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Fine too, or watch it and then just let it
replay after.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
You're on your mute. Yeah, put it in the background
on MU.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Let's just get some view listens, come views, Yeah, listens.
I'm like so in podcasting, Yeah, I mean, we gotta.
We need the TMU hive to rise up, guys. We
need to get this fucking thing in the top ten.
Let's go Hi murder girl. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, god. We have so much. I mean, it's it is,
we have so much.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I think we just have to go back and forth,
like a kind of I did on Instagram mute ADHD
and autism. I can't, I can't anymore. It cannot it
cannot keep I don't want it. I don't want that.
Leave me alone so hard.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I put it on my not interested words.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Jared's like, does everybody have ADHD?

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Now?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
I'm like, yeah, it does feel like that.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Like one of the poems said, you don't understand how
hard Halloween is for ADHD, and someone wrote, wow, you
guys can't do anything. It's like what, Oh, it's so
hard to be ADHD and do a forty hour work week.
You think people without ADHD love working forty hours a week,
Get over yourselves. Get over yourselves. I'm done with your
memes and your virtual diagnosing. I don't want it. Let

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me live my fucking life.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Nuts. It's nuts, it is nuts.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Over it's I will say, people definitely struggle with these things,
but they social media of it all is insanely. Let
me struggle in silence. Get it out of my head.
If I have it, I I'd rather not know about it.
Leave me alone. I don't need my phone telling me.
Do you feel targeted? You feel like it's coming at you?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I because I see it all the time, like ten
signs that you have ADHD or whatever, and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
It'll be like this, is it hard to get up
in the morning, and it's like, yeah, yeah, that's not ADHD.
It's fucking twenty five degrees, it's cold, and we're nearing fascism.
Let me rest I don't have a mental disorder because
of it.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Do you have trouble completing boring tasks? Yeah, everybody fucking does.
Unless you're a socio. Unless you know, I don't know
anyone who are.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
You're a work, You're a work bitch, you're you know,
you're a yeah, corporate baddie.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I don't know, but.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Listen, and I say this like, I don't want anyone
who has ADHD to be like, you guys are being insensitive.
I take I'm on ADHD medication, so I but.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
I should be offended too.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
If you have ADHD, you should be hissed at these
people well trivializing your life because or.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Just turning it into like the disorder dajure, Like it
just doesn't seem like it's that.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I don't know, everybody's got a different experience.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I just can't have it on my Instagram NonStop and
I put yeah, it's like they really needed back. Oh
my god. So I got the flu over Christmas.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
I had the flu like the fort the four days
leading up to Christmas. I took the fucking COVID flu
combo test and I had a big positive.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Line for flu A.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
I don't know the fucking difference, but the sad thing
is you can be positive for all flu A, flub
and COVID.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
You can get a triple strike on that test. But
I had the flu.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Luckily, my in laws were in town so they could
like help Jared with the kids or whatever. But I
it was like that kind of thing where I was sick.
And so I was watching the final season of Dairy Girls,
which is like the best fucking show. I love it
so much, but it was like, you can't even focus
on TV. You just feel so shitty. So I was
in internet whole that I can't even describe. Like I

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was on Instagram watching videos that were multiple parts where
I'm going back into people's accounts and having to go
find the second part. Like I was this one girl,
I don't even follow these people, and I was just
so deep in my free you paid my explore that
it was. It was scary. I don't know that I've
fully gotten out of it yet either. Now I'm just
so used to scrolling the videos of people that I

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don't watch.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
No, it's sick. The phone is sick.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Except I mean, obviously, well we can talk about Luigi. Obviously,
that's but we have to keep following. We cannot let
it be an internet trend. They they can kill him,
They've killed Epste, They've killed other people, Like you cannot
let this man be charged with terrorism, Like we cannot
stop paying attention and watching and showing him that we

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care because the government is up to no fucking good,
especially with what happened on New Year's Day with Vegas
and New Orleans and the news and investigations on that
seems shade. What they're trying to do to him is
not whatever you know, innocent toil, proven guilty. This lawyer,
bitch though we're about to watch a master like I'm
excited to watch this bitch. She is a former Manhattan

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District attorney. She is like the Fred Thompson if we're
insp you are, yes, in charge of Cabot and Novak,
and now she's on the defense. And I'm I'm and
I think you know everyone has these cases.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
You know, you've lived in New York. You're always like, oh,
I remember that I followed this.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I followed that I really haven't had something that's like
transfixed me in this way.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
And yet if he wasn't hot, would we not care
as much? Sure?

Speaker 1 (07:39):
But that we need hot people, Gloria Glorias Seinheim was hot, right,
we need hot people, and then we're from sometime to
lead us and he had everything to lose, but he
is also innocent, and I think they're gonna prove it
in court.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
You think he didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I think the evidence is fucked. I think the cops
are lying. But also like I do have the FBI
report open and I'm gonna read it. I just watched
someone talk about but you don't know what's real or not,
you know, Yeah, but it's like the timing from like
the hostel to when you show up. Also like the
inconsistencies of like what was left in the park, what
wasn't I think there's I think they also fucked with

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like the ability for a fair trial with the mayor
and the purple and the purple like yeah, but like
so hot, like can you even imagine, Like I am
just and still I don't think looks like the guy
from the original photos exactly. That's what I mean, Kara,
Like I I think there's more to this, And I

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think if Casey Anthony gets to kill her baby, we
can really see what happens at this trial because it's
up to the prosecution and like, I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
We'll see what the evidence is and we'll see what
I'm folds.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Have you seen the memes that are saying that his
lawyer looks like Heather Thompson from Real Housewives of New York.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
They're like, you're on her Halla. We need to stop
and give my.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Client a fair Actually I gave it a few friends
this year Happy Halla Days cards with Heather Thompson. So
she's been I mean, the bitch needs to talk about
p Diddy. All she did was brag about working for
Popcast and the fact that she is this fucking silent
makes me think not good things, Like, honestly, bitch say something,

(09:18):
but whatever, shady I don't know, but she went on folds.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I mean, the fact that they were matching in court, like,
there's just like a lot to it. He's I'm interested.
I'm interested. But we have court dates. There's like Federal
Pennsylvania back in New York, so it's like January eighteenth,
I think is a date February twenty something.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
There's a couple of dates, so we'll follow along. You're
you're for like fervor for this?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Uh court case is reminding me of this movie I
watched over the break casey.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I don't know if you've seen it. It's called Red Rooms.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
It's a French it's a French Canadian so it's in Montreal.
All okay, but it's like the reason I heard about
it was Katya was talking about it on her podcast,
and it's like it's a horror movie that is not
bloody at all, like there is like no, it's my
exact kind of horror movie, not gory, but like terrifying.

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And it's about this like girl who's like a model
and a poker shark and she's obsessed with this serial
killer and she goes to his trial every day. And
I won't say anything else about what happens in the movie,
but it's like the movie's about like like people's obsession
with true crime and like you know, all this stuff,
and I just thought it was like relevant to our listeners.

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We rented it on Amazon. I think I don't think
it's available for streaming anywhere. And it is subtitles. It's
mostly in French, but modern like it came out in
like twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I think I'm looking at it. I'm excited. I'm excited.
This looks fucking good. And that's the thing. I do
want to go to the trial. I'm not in town
for a lot of them, but I'm gonna end up going.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, it's gonna be a whole thing. I mean, it
was also weird in this movie. It's also crazy in
this movie to see how their trials work. Like the courtroom,
it could not be more opposite than like an SVU courtroom.
It's like bright white, modern fluorescent lights, and people come
and like sleep on the street at five am to

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be able to be.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
The people sitting in the courtroom.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
So that's because they I don't want to sleep on
the street and I need someone to come with me.
We'll see what happens. But I bet you there'll be
people that want to go with you. For sure, we'll
see what happens. But well, on a more positive note, yeah,
get positive. I did take my children. I did force
my children to go see Wicked.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
The break got really long, and I was like, we
got to go do something that kills three hours?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Do you guys want to go see Wicked? And they're
both like, and I was like, we're going. So I
did take that and how to I mean, it's a
slow start.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Rosie liked it, but about I would say, at the
hour forty five marks, she was like, can we go?
Like it was just long for her and then Oscar
was wrapped the whole time loved it. Did fall asleep
in my arms for about twenty minutes. But besides the
twenty minute nap, he was all in paying attention and

(12:18):
like fully watching it, which I was shocked.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
But like Rosie lost interest, but then at the end
for defying gravity was she like, yeah, I'm back, I'm back.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
He was back.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Like every time she was losing interests, I go wait,
there's a really good number coming up, and she'd be like, okay,
you know, like I think the I'm not that girl.
That's not really Rosie's wheelhouse, like about a love triangle
and whatever, you know. But but like then I go,
hold on, there's about to be a lion cub and
she's like, okay, you know, like she was, she was
focused in on some of that stuff and she liked it.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I mean she didn't, but like, I don't.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Know if I have like a full little like wicked
stand on my hands now.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
But they they watched, they watched.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
Oh yeah, go ahead, No, No, all I was gonna
do is another was more movie reviews, is that my
son saw Mufasa with his grandmother, and my and Rosie
saw Sonic three, And I've heard from both.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Nicole Byer and Rosie that Sonic three is awesome, so
you guys should go see it. Wait at the end
of my movie corner, what were the what were the
hit gifts? I guess I would say, like what did
the child? Yeah, like what did the children?

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Like? What the gifts?

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Okay, so Rosie, you know they got the Amazon catalog.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
They circled the ten thousand things.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Jared's mom picked this random thing, which is this fucking
bunny that comes in like a magic hat and when
you take it out, confetti explodes all over your fucking house,
which is annoying. Then it has a magic wand and
when you tap it on the nose, it says like
abracadabra and like all this like cute magic shit. She's obsessed.
They won't stop fighting over it. We have to put
it away, like it's crazy. My mom got her a

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stuffed animal. Fox was the first thing she opened. It's
it's tiny, It's like the size of the palm of
your hand. She's obsessed. I got them Yodo players. That
was the big gift.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
I got them, which are like these players that play
cards of stories.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
But you can also listen to podcasts.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
You can also make your own cards, so I'm gonna
have Jared like tell them this long story that they've
been telling on a card so that they have it.
And Rosie just like got in her bed and like
listened to podcasts for like an hour by herself. I
was like, Oh, this is gonna be a podcast girl.
Oscar couldn't care less.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
But.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
I'm glad I got him one because he's gonna want
it like later.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
And when we're like on trips and she has hers,
Rosie actually stopped and opened shit and played with it.
Oscar was like that wild eyed, crack addicted present opening
like psychosis that kids get. Like he would just open
one thing and go, oh my gosh, wow, and then
go is this for me? And then open the next
day Like he was so crazy. But my sister got
him a bunch of Unicorn Academy stuff, which is the

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show he likes. I got him a Unicorn T shirt
that he loves. He got they got guests who with animals,
They got Mario and Luigi Checker set like they got
They got so much shit. It was like really crazy,
Like we always look at the tree and we're like,
this is because I forgot that. Like besides us, his grandparents,
their grandparents get them stuff, like my mom sent a

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box of shit. My sisters sent stuff. It's like they
got so much crap. But anyway, they had a good Christmas.
They got they got good stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Did you watch did you guys watch Home Alone? I
mean we watched Home Alone so many times.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Over Break and number two, like we're watching Escape from
New York, we saw it a million times.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
They also watched they had.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
My friend Valentina has these two sons that are They
lived down the street from us, and they came over.
We've been doing movie nights in their bedroom so that
she and I can just drink wine in the living
room and it's the best. They come out a lot
just to ask us questions. We put on the Mask.
Jim Carrey's The Mask. Nobody walked out. Nobody came out
for the entire time.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Wow, entire time.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
And that movie has, like I think some scary parts
they for like it's PG thirteen but like from ninety
two or something.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, the Mask, big hit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I feel like the Mask for Cameron Diaz is like
Wolf of Wall Street from Margot Robbie. You know, it's like,
oh yeah, let's let's go career.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah, introducing the hottest woman you've ever seen?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Well speaking of Okay, So I watched Ready or Not,
which is like comedy more fun yea, yeah yeah, and
it's the girl that I liked from Nine Perfect Strangers
Tomorrow weaving. She looks like Margot Robbie but is like
funny and awkward and silly, like no one is doing
it like this bitch. I am obsessed with her, and
I watched it twice in one week, Like, I like,

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loved this movie so much.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Oh she's so pretty, yes, but.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Her characters like the way she moves her face like
no one is doing it like her. Oh oh she's
it's special. But the movie was so fun. But listen,
so my TV broke, Roku sent another one. I got
in the handyman. The handyman came, like you know I had.
We had to move the hanging thing. Then we take
the TV out of the box, fully cracked, fully punched,

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cracked down the middle like fully broken again. I'm like, motherfuck.
But they sent a third one and it's hanging and
it's here. But I've just been so laptop that, like
I really did miss the.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
TV, like overbreak when I really could use my TV.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah for like a cozy little moment. Yeah, but you know,
I always love a little drama. And I saw a Nasfaratu.
Oh what do you think one of the top ten
worst movies I've ever seen in my life?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I hated it.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Wait, casey, I haven't.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it. I
can't chime in. I'm shocked to hear this, though.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
To be fair, I think I just hate Dracula because
I love Hotel Transylvania, Like that's what it is. Weird,
but like, and I like the idea of vampires, like
I do. Think it's hot in some sort of way.
But so then I bought Bram Stoker's Dracula at home
because I'm like, Okay, I hated that, but I feel
like I like Dracula. I hated I hated it this too.

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I go, why am I I'm like, I think I
just hate this. So then I went on Dracula Dead
and loving it, which is like a movie I liked
as a kid, and I was like, Nope, hate this too.
Hate Dracula, like that's what I've learned. Like this was
the name of a vampire.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Interview with a vampire.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Love that, but that's not the classic story of that
Kula story. It's different, it's fun. This story is like
a guy needs to make a real estate deal, so
he goes to Dracula's house what what and his wife
knows and that's the story. So the wife is like,
she's she has a weird cosmic relationship with this Dracula.

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She knows something bad's gonna happen. And he's like, I
have to make this real estate deal. This guy is
sucking on his like chat like ruining his life. It's
vampire stuff. But he's like, I have to sell this property.
Like I don't get it. But then once forty five
minutes in, I was like, okay, I can, but I
was shaking my leg I was like holding my face
like I was just like.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Get me out of here. Oh my gosh. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Jared saw it and he was kind of like it
was fine, but he also said it was too long.
I like my rats of it all, Like I like
the pubonic place, like once he comes to town and
there's like some real action, I like, but I just
and it's all just moments of drama and mood.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Without a I don't know. I can't wait for Casey
to see it.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
I just was like, okay, I was crawling out of
my skin. Yeah, everybody was like fucking talking about it,
and I'm like, I'm never gonna see it, but you know,
everyone was talking about it, so I was assuming it
was like this masterpiece.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
But and the guy is scary.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
He is scary looking, like I think it's a star's
guard who's always you know, Oh my god, there's like
a new dress, like I cannot I cannot believe any scars. Well, Casey,
I hope you know you probably like no Sperratu and
bram Stokers, so you're too.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
I have a big I love bram Stoker's Dracula. I
love nos Faratu, so I really gonna love it. I'm
probably gonna love it.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
I saw there was a sign up on your boulevard
in Highland Park for a nose for to look alike
contest recently, and I was like, Timothy Shallamy, you've gone
too far, Like we've gone too far on the lookalike contests.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
But I don't know, but yeah, yeah, uh oh.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
But they did speak Russian at one point, and so like, oh,
I'm really excited. I would like to touch on something.
So have you heard of the Sunny Angels? There are
those like naked little babies sketch and then you've told
me about them a little bit. So I you know,
I frequent this toy store and I happened to be
there when they had like the Christmas Dinner collection and

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the whole fun of the game. You know, you don't
know which one you're gonna get. There's like eight options.
It's like one of those kinds of toys. They're like
one of eight and you try to collect them all
and they all have different heads and they're all different
and I go, oh my god, Christmas with my friends,
I'm gonna buy I'm gonna buy four for Christmas, Like
this will be perfect.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Everyone had a different one. They're so cute.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
I didn't realize they have a cock and balls, they
have a they have a little dick.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Hold on, how do I get the dick? Look? Do
you see it? Wait? What is happening? Why are they
not smoothed down there?

Speaker 1 (21:08):
So no one was that happy, and I go, you guys, Sonny, like,
excuse me. These have been sold out for months. I
was there the day it came out. I happen to
get you these collects, and they go, We're just really
uncomfortable that they all have a dick and balls?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (21:26):
And they're pantsless, their pants tand to remove their pants
to find the dick and balls and like our butt
is fine, like their butt is fine, like whenever a
kid butt is fine. But why dick and balls? Are
they all? Are they? I think they all have this?
So now it's like disgusting. So now I have the like,
but look at it. Look at it from the dick
up like the dick up, it's adorable. It's dressed like

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a crocodile with like a party had on fork and
super Kid ready to eat dinner for the Christmas dinner collection.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
This is like quite this little boy did not wear
pants to the table and his dick is out and
we just can't be teaching kids at that.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
But how is that the collector toy? I just don't
understand how that's the number. A while and then what's
cool now? Or I don't know if it's cool. People
that are into it have a tote bag and the
tote bag has like a plastic sheath on it with
and they're all cut out and you can put them
you can display all your sunny Angels, so you can
have like twelve of them in this like plastic side

(22:26):
thing of this tote bag, and you're just like going
around town with a bunch of little baby dick and bolls.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Like is so fucked up. It's so fucked up.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
So I was really like disappointed, but also like I
can't believe I'm that like lack perception like that I
didn't notice this was going to be such a problem.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
You know that this was disgusting? Yeah, I mean, did
they I'm wondering.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
I'm now trying to think back to that do leap
a sketch on SNL, Like did they address it like
they had a wall of those sunny angel dolls in
the sketch?

Speaker 5 (22:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (22:56):
I have got to go back. I gotta go back,
and look, I do have to talk about a situation.
There's more, but you'll know why this is a huge deal.
But I for Christmas, my friend got me a Mister
Potato Head cookie jar.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Okay wait, I saw the photo of.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
That and was like, is that the same one that
you were telling me to get for the party? Yes,
Because I was telling her, I go, oh my god,
I'm on this site, there're soke and she goes, oh,
I love the Timona and poomba and I go, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
That's what I looked at. But it's too big, blah
blah blah.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
But I was like we were because then I got
someone in my Christmas group a Pelican cookie jar, and
so we just it was a it was a heavy ceramics.
I love it because then because then the other our
other friend, I got her a vase that was a
ceramic like buttoned down collared shirt, and then our other
friend got her a ceramic pair of pants with cats

(23:58):
coming out of it. So it's like she got a
sur I'm full outfit. And then we each got cookie jars.
So I was showing someone at the cellar and it
was Lenny Marcus and he goes, that's like a crazy
friend group. He's like, you all just got each other ceramics,
Like what the fuck? But Kara and I just were
talking about it about these cookie jars. She was going

(24:20):
to this party, but I had just mentioned I'm like,
can you believe this potato had cookie jar?

Speaker 2 (24:26):
And then I could.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Not believe when I opened the box, like I really
was surprised, so happy, I had a photo of it
on my desktop, Like I was like these photos.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
I could not believe it.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
But the thing is, it's kind of like when you
buy your kids stuff and they like the box. I
got all these like nice gifts, but my friend and
I guess it's like two dollars. But remember when Samantha
has a crush on the priest and she brings them
cans of peas and she goes.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Lists sir, they're the best.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
So I got a can of l Surpee and I
lost my mind and they were like I truly bought
them at the corner Sturf for a dollar ninety eight,
and I go, I thought they were ten dollars. Cansas peace,
you know. But I got this cannonvala syrpiece with a
bow on it, and like, I love it.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
That's great. I mean, that's somebody who knows you. Yeah,
somebody who knows you. And then we just kept going,
they're the best. Oh my god, thirty Casey's had to
literally reinvent a new flag that says how long we've
been talking.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Okay, but I have one more fucking story. I'm sorry,
I'm sorry. Okay, So I'm killing time. So I had
a great Christmas time. New York is like desolate, everyone leaves.
It was just like I loved kind of walking the streets,
and then I love performing comedy at this time of
year here. So I was doing five to eight spots
a night. I was like a smike of God, I
was sleeping. I was like staying out till three or

(25:49):
four doing spots, and then like waking up at one
or two. Like it really was kind of a heavenly
time with some soul cycles sprinkled in. But I had
I had an hour and I had two hours to kill,
so I go, I'm going to go to the Chelsea
Cafe and the Hotel Chelsea, sit at the bar, kill
some time. So then after a while though, I get

(26:10):
a text, I get a call from a friend and
he's like, I have whatever. Two friends were going to
come meet me, so I go great, and then a
couple comes and they were going to take the two
chairs next to me. Then there's a third chair with
a coat and two men, and I already had my
eye on them because those two men asked a woman
who was sitting at the bar enjoying herself, are you
traveling alone?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
And I thought that was creepy.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
So I clocked them and then she checked she she
uh paid her bill and left and I bet it's
because of them.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
So this couple wants to take the chair and I go, oh, hey,
I actually do have a friend coming. Would you mind
seeing if like you can take those two? And I
get this one, and so they ask this guy and
he goes, no, my jacket's there, and so they go,
oh yeah, but like she's just trying to have a friend,
like do you mind moving it? And then the guy goes, no,
I have a big jacket, and granted there's hooks under

(26:59):
the bar. They go there's and then the guy of
the couple, realizing, he goes, oh, are you fucking being serious?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Dude, I thought this was a bit. He gets worked.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
I mean this, they're piss and I'm like, I am
so sorry, guys. I didn't mean to like we can stand,
We'll get a table, like I am so sorry, and
he was like no, this is bullsh Like this couple
flips out. They go get a table. I'm trying to
buy him a drink and they're like we're taking care
of them, like you don't have to worry. So then
it happens again where someone is like hey, and he goes,
my jacket's on this chair and it is staying here.

(27:28):
And then finally a manager came and we're like, we
will hang up your coat, sir, and he goes, well,
that wasn't an option, and it's like, oh it was.
We said, there's hooks underneath. I am a giant park bar. Yeah,
these two guys and like would not move his coat.
It was crazy, wouldn't put it on the back of
his own chair. Well it was a basketball, there's I mean,
it's like a nice yeah, Oh my god. People are

(27:51):
just And I was I think I know who jacket
guy voted for his own saying I think I know.
But and the thing is, I was sitting there alone
for a really long time, like the fact that a
friend friends was coming was last minute, Like I wasn't right.
I would have planned it sooner, like I would, you know,
but just really crazy, so crazy.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
When I was in college, I used to put my
you know, when I was in college, I had a
Kate's Bade bag because I worked at a kid's clothing
store and I carried a a Kate's Bade diaper bag
as my like school bag.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
It was like it was c and like I would
put it on the.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Chair and people would always be like, oh, does Kate
need to see and I always be like no, no, no, no,
put it on the girl like I would always move it.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
But I guess there's some people that feel that their
shit needs its own seat.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
That's so insane. Please don't be that person. In twenty
twenty five, everybody, and we're starting.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
But I also want to say, we did take three
weeks off of recording, and you know what, I watched
the whole new season of SVU. I'm fully caught up.
Loved it, and I see amazing, amazing programming. I don't
know why I ever did this. I do this every year.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I don't know. I don't know. Then I can't get
up like I loved it.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
But then I've just been like watching SVU without think,
like it was just old times, Like I was just
kind of like four times, yeah, before times, just like
putting on some heinous crimes.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Baby.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
I've been liking the new season as well. I got
caught up and I'm down.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
I'm in now.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
I gotta I gotta catch up on OC. You know,
I'm a season behind on that ship. But yeah, we
can start for real.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
And Casey wanted all of you to know he has
no updates for you. He doesn't care to update you
on his Chris no updates.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
I'm just don't think people want to know what They
don't care what's going on in my life.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
How was Patience's first Christmas? Though?

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Oh it was great. She had a wonderful time. You know,
all the toys we bought her, she always liked some
strange like accessory that came with it, Like right, the
wrapping paper are like this little hammer that came with
this larger toy. She likes the hammer more so. Yeah, no,
but she loves she had. She had a wonderful time.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
My kids when they were your kid's age, their favorite
toy was DVD screeners, but and bottle with rocks in it.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
You know, anything that you can.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Get, anything that's no money, that uh is an accessory
of something you paid for. All right, but let's get
started with today's episode.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
It's a good one, all right.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
We are doing the episode Lust today, season four, episode four,
taking it back to the fall of two thousand and two,
Like I forget that it's a thing, Like I had
no memory of this episode the moment I saw him
and like the thumbnail obviously, but I still there's so much.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
It's just so good.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
I would say it's one of the best episodes that
I've forgot exists.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, Like when I read the synopsis of it, I
was like, have I seen this one? And then as
soon as you see the main guy and then you
when I hear the name Dartan or whatever like the aliases,
I'm like, oh, it's this one. It's this one, like
that's always like where I remember this.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
They had me going the whole time, like I was
at the seat of my pants.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Well, it opens on, honestly, just a gorgeous morning in
Central Park, like it's beautiful. Two guys are arguing about
the dog that obedient schools didn't work. I'm not sure
what the relationship is. I think they were a couple,
but it's like not very obvious. And their dog's name
is Radio. And the guy who thinks that the dog
sucks is Matt Cervito, who we actually he's been all

(31:31):
over the Dick universe and he was just in the
episode Parasites that we covered recently, and he was in
like Billions and I realized he was also in Your
Pretty Faces Going to Hell with Friend of the Pod
Henry Zebrowski, and he played Satan, pretty big role. He
was in many episodes as Satan, so big, a big
get for him.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah he was. Yeah, apparently he was in a silk top.
You know, it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, So he is Doug and his pal and I gasped.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
When I saw him. I gasped, like that he is
a thing.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, and he's dug here and here he's just dug
and like, we're not gonna see him for very long.
And him and his friend's dog, Him and his boyfriend's
dog just found something bad in the bushes, as all
dogs tend to do on this show. And it's a
woman's dead body, and we only see the legs, but
they are covered in blood. Like it is gruesome, and
now the gang is all there. The two guys who

(32:29):
found her mentioned her face being so messed up that
they couldn't recognize her, so they don't even know if
she was like a park regular because they can't even
see her. The vic is in her fifties or sixties,
and the only idea is a key on a string.
She's been beaten stabbed the whole nine, as Benson says,
and her body is still warm. So this just happened

(32:50):
in like broad daylight in Central Park. And then Live
clocks a small dog's pawprint in the blood, like on
the victim, but it's too small to be radios and
so this woman carries treats. It must be from her
own dog. I guess they found dog treats.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
I don't know. It's confusing.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Then they find a knife wrapped in plastic so they
won't be able to get like any prints off of it.
Then they also find a disposable rain ponn show that
the pert probably wore. And then they find a dog's
leash like tied around a tree, and they figured that
the victim's dog wiggled out of his collar, left the
pop print and then took off, And Munch goes, maybe

(33:28):
Lassie went to get help A good a Lassie reference.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
As always, those.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Dogs are so cute and I don't see them enough. Yeah,
I don't know why they're not more popular. They're like
so fucking cute, they're beautiful. Yeah, I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Maybe you do more out in like like Montana or
like Western States. Where they have like room to roam
and like make cattle do what they're supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
But now we're at Melinda's house and she is telling
us that there are thirty seven deep puncture onounes to
the chest, mostly on the breasts.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yikes.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
The cause of death is acute pnumo thorax, which basically
means she drowned in her own blood. Oh Happy Tuesday,
no fluids. But she was sexually assaulted with a branch
they found at the scene. Like it's really fucking brutal.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Like I'm sorry, I'm trying to describe it, and I
don't feel that there's a way to be funny here
because it is a super brutal body, you know, autopsy here, no, prince,
She's gonna need to do facial reconstruction because the guy
completely wrecked her face. She was also wearing a ring,
and Benson is impressed by the ring, and you know,
Benson knows her shit, Like if it's a nice ring,
Benson knows. Benson's like, what is this a Tiffany five carrat? Like,

(34:44):
you know, she knows. Melinda gives them something they can
use to help the id. This woman is in her
sixties and walks with a limp. She probably had childhood
polio because the vacs didn't come out until nineteen fifty four.
But with any assist from RFK, it's gonna be back soon.
I know we'll have folio back in the streets any

(35:05):
day now. But yeah, her one leg is an inch
shorter than the other one, I guess.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
So she would have walked with the limb.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
So back at the precinct, Finn is stating the obvious,
like this guy wanted her to suffer. Stabler Breeze is
in late from a parent teacher conference. Okay, uh, Daddy
Cragan is in no mood for theories. He's got the
press breathing down his neck and he needs something solid.
I find out hard to believe that the press is
like super breathing down his neck, being like who's the
dead lady?

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Like over and over. I mean, there's so much going
on in New York.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
But I also find it hard to believe that Stabler
was at a parent teacher conference. Yeah exactly, I'm sure
he's like, this has to happen, This parent teacher conference
has to happen at nine pm or not at all,
Like when I get out of work, but it's they're
kind of fucked, they've got nothing. They're like, it's really
brazen for broad daylight, Like maybe this guy's attacked older

(35:56):
women before.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Let's check that moo. Then they get a call that
a j all dog was brought to the vet with
bloody pause. Uh oh, so now the vet's filling them
in that some joggers found the dog and he's a
King Charles Spaniel.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
He looks like Elizabeth Taylor from Sex and the City
and super super sweet dog. And he's not tattooed or chipped.
I didn't know that dogs were getting tattooed. But that's
a good idea, I guess for identification. Shameful, I know,
I mean the chip seems better for sure. And then
pet like a baby puppy French sheet today.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Real cute, so cute. I love a little French sheeet.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
But she the vet has to explain chipping to Finn,
like they haven't gotten to the Bob Sagged episode yet,
Like Finn doesn't know about chipping, so she has to
tell him like yeah, basically has the owner's name and number,
like and it's sub subdural or subcutaneous or whatever like chip.
So they washed away the blood, so the evidence is gone.
But the Vet's like, but I did keep this, and

(36:57):
it's a full sneaker.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
The dog had a full sneaker.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
In his mouth as he walked across the you know
the part found Yeah, a hero dog, a junior detective, Yes, exactly,
and McGruff the crime dog if you will. He has
the sneaker has an orthotic in it for the shorter
leg and this is wild. They're gonna identify this murder
victim from her orthotic, Like they're at the company that

(37:23):
makes it.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
He checks the serial number.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
He's like, these are all specific to our clients, and
it belongs to doctor Esterman, they said, Greta Esterman.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
She works for the Department of Health.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
So now we're at CSU and we're talking to this
tech that we've never seen before and.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I don't think we ever see again. But he's a
big part of this episode.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
And he's saying that this is his first time printing
a dog and like they're gonna swab the dog's mouth
too to see if he, like maybe bit the perp.
And Greta Esterman lives on the Upper West Side. Her
husband is a society lawyer named Arthur, and then Elliott
goes to leave and Munches like, don't forget the dog,
and so Elliott, you know, has to walk out this
little king Charles.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Under his will.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
They also at one point call him a pooch and
they's Munch and it was really cute. They do say
pooch twice at the beginning. It's really cute, like Olivia
says it and then Munch says it. So yeah, we're
a lot of pooch flying around.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
And then at the Estman residence we meet Arthur, who
is played by Michael Gross, who most famously for me
is the father from Family Ties, but Casey knows him
from Tremors and he was also in the season sixteen
episode of SVU Assaulting Reality, where it's like a Bachelor
episode and he's one of the producers of the Bachelor

(38:39):
show and like an assault happens and he's upset. He's like,
I should have never let Greta go out alone, and
he tells them he didn't leave the house till nine
to go play tennis. Since he's retired, he's taken up
a new hobby of sleeping late, so he woke up
and just thought Greta had already gone to work and
taken buddy with her, which she does sometime to time.
And then they're like, well it's ten o'clock now, like,

(38:59):
aren't you worried that she's not home? And he's like,
she works late sometimes. So he explains she treated people
with you guys.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
So I'm on Michael Gross's IMDb, and you know he
went to Yale's School of Drama, so you know, I'm
loving that. But before that, it says he was involved
with a gang for a couple of years during high
school before becoming a better student.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
And I think that's a little shocking to you. That's
a very shocking.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
That's very shocking that Michael Gross, the father from Growing Pains,
was in a gang for any amount of time.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
I'm surprised. Good, good tidbit.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
So doctor Esterman, Greta Esterman, her job was treating people
with HIV and she tracked exposure patterns and some people
thought it violated their privacy.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
So maybe she had some enemies.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
And the husband's like, well, she got occasional threats and
last month a guy called her office and was saying.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
He was going to ruin her life.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
So now we're at the we're at Greta's office and
that we're talking to Health Commissioner Chung. And she is
played by Christine Toy Johnson, who literally is like rivaling
Kevin Kane for most characters. She's been in Countdown as
a doctor, she was in Anchor as Kiko Nishimora, she
was in Holden's Manifesto granting immunity. I thought you were

(40:14):
on my side and constricted as doctor Celia Lee. And
here she's Health Commissioner Chung. So she's done a lot
on SVE and she's telling Benson and Stabler that yes,
Greta got threats, and Benson goes, yeah, contact tracers are
about as popular as repo men, and I did. It's
funny because I didn't even know the term contact tracing
until COVID came around. But I guess obviously it's been

(40:35):
used in like epidemiology probably for a long time, or
like in tracking diseases, but I think it came into
the consciousness with COVID, where you'd get like an alert
from like the contract tracing app that someone near you
had COVID or whatever. But she said, yes, like they
get threats. But nothing deterred Greta. She was so dedicated.

(40:56):
And then she hands over all of Greta's personal papers
and a phone law and she's like, I just never
had any of the threats investigated because Greta said that
angers a normal response and that they'd eventually move on
to acceptance, and you know, she didn't think anything of it.
So at the precinct, Stabler and Menson are looking through
all the shit that she gave, all the personal papers,

(41:16):
and they're finding out that the Estermans love to party.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Okay, they love to party for charity.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
They're big donations galas giving blood publicly at blood bank
events like they're big, you know, the New York Society people.
But last month AIDS activists threw pigs blood on her
to protest some of the work she was doing with
like pigs blood. So then Stabler reads one out loud

(41:42):
so funny. It says, snoopy bitch, doctor you die. And
his read is so funny, like if you're not watching
this episode, or you're watching it later, please take a moment.
And the way snoopy is spelled s n oop i
e bitch is spelled b ic h. It's just a
wonderful moment of Stabler just cold reading a threatening note.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
I wrote this snoopy fish, doctor you die.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
And then they say the husband's alibi about playing tennis
checked out, and Stabler is pointing out that this woman
just wanted to save lives and people hate her, and
Munch takes this opportunity to obviously hop on his soapbox
about the fine line between prevention and privacy, and Benson's like, okay, bro,
but like people have the right to know if they've
been exposed to hav and Munch is like, yeah, I

(42:26):
just don't like it when the government starts making up lists,
and Finn's like, don't get him started, please, And then
Live finds something in the phone log. Anonymous mail says
he'll copulate me to death is something that she wrote
down in her phone log. And the idea is from
somebody named Roger Pomerantz who did six years for sodomy
one and just got out two months ago. Hasn't checked

(42:48):
in with his PO in a while, so and I
would say, a rare go, you gotta check.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah, the PO you got it, you got it. That's
a big red flag.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
And Benson, Stabler, Finn and Munch all go to visit
this guy. Usually they pair off, but good thing all
four of them go because they go visit him at
this bakery. He immediately runs. He's a big guy. When
they id themselves, he runs, Finn cuts him off. The
whole gang has to like work together to throw this
guy up against a wall. And Munch is like, you know,
resisting arrest is a parole violation, and Roger goes bite me,

(43:19):
and Finn's like, we're gonna do a lot worse.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
It's like, wow, okay, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (43:24):
So top of that too, you know, whenever I think
of Pearol, I think of Miss Congeniality because in the
beauty pageant, like the question they ask her like what
do you care about? You know? She does, she goes,
I would be tougher on parole viol violators. Yeah, And
I always have thought like why that was her number
one passion?

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Like, yeah, that big of a deal. Well, I don't
know because it is like it isn't.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
But it's like, if if I have the audience, I'd
be like, I just can't imagine parole.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Violate being your number one thing.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, yeah, I would say, Bay, you know, like the
juvenile system like that, she's seen other things. She's probably
seen human trafficking. You know, she's in the FBI.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Well, maybe she's like on the side that we are on.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Sometimes when people get out of jail so quickly and
like immediately reoffend or I don't know, of course that's
what she means, but it's usually like not.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Even show up, you didn't do something. But obviously you
know I'm into full castration. So I am with her there, yes,
fully of okay.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
So this little parole violator is now in cement room
bars and they're talking about his record menacing gun charges, assault,
one knife, point stranger, rape, and he's like, let me.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Clarify that was a quote.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
He goes, hook or I who was pissed I wouldn't
pay her for a lousy lay. It's like, that is
literally what you have to do with sex workers. You
must pay them for the lay. He's like, wait a second.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
In my defense, that one was okay because I just
didn't want to pay for it, Like what?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
And then Benson's like, how's.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Your sex life, rag, which I like that, and she goes,
you still have to force women.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
He goes, I just got married. I get it all
the time.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
And now he's talking a Stabler about Benson like she
could use a good like acting like she could use
a good pounding or whatever. And Live does not like that.
She's like, you don't like women in authority and he
agrees he does not, and then she brings up Greta.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
He goes, she was in my business.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
She was going to call my wife and tell her
I had gone a rhea, and Benson's like, so you're
dumb enough to get the clap, And then the law
says the doctor has to tell her and he's like,
I was just exercising my free speech when I left
her the threat on the phone. Right, So they bring
up her murder and then he goes crazy. He lunges
at Benson. He's like murder, and he like the murder,

(45:49):
and then he launches at Benson and Stabler has to
restrain him and his Stabler goes, where are you going
with my table? Like while he hasn't been a headlock,
he goes, where are you going with my table? And
it's made me laugh, and then Stabler has him in
some kind of calming chokehold that he keeps him in
long enough for this guy to just completely calm down,
and then he's able to keep questioning him. And basically

(46:09):
the guy has an alibi, so he's a red herring.
At the precinct, Munch and Finn are updating Daddy Craigan.
The alibi checks out he was at work by eight am,
and then Arthur Estman shows up with two bags of
papers just as they're bringing Roger out, and with no warning,
Arthur attacks Roger like head butts.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Him, and then it's like so insane. He goes he's
the one and just.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Goes sazy giant and this man, yes, really funny, and
this is like a man in his sixties who is,
you know, on the slimmer side slimmer bills going up
against this large man. And then so they lock Roger
in a cell because I guess they're still going to
get him on parole violations, and they're helping Arthur pick
up all his papers and he's like, I found something

(46:50):
that could help, and then he gives them a case
file that Greta was really worried about, and she said
she had told him it's a terrible situation that I
have to stop, but didn't get into further detail. He
can't figure out what any of the stuff means, but
they've got an idea of someone who can help them translate. Boom, Melinda,
she's there.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
She was up all night decoding the file and she
figured out what doctor Esterman was working on. And it's
a big contact trace, right. She was trying to track
down the common source of infection of all these people
who live in Little Italy. Most of them don't know
each other, but a lot of them are positive for HIV.
And she was looking at an HIV positive guy who
had sex with a lot of partners, and he's the nexus.

(47:28):
He's like the center of this miniature epidemic.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
If the Nexus, they're they're thinking, Okay, if the Nexus
knew Greta was close to iding him, maybe he killed her.
She wasn't done with her interviews, so maybe they need
to pick it up where she left off, to finish
it for her.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
And find the killer.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Melinda gives them the list that Grata hadn't finished, and
it starts with a college student named Mike Andretti.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Now Benson is table.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Are talking to Mic about why he didn't wear a
condom and Lol, it's because he's Catholic. And if his
mom catches him with a condom. He's dead, and then
he goes, now I'm dead anyway, and lives like, no, no,
there's treatment, and he goes, I don't mean from HIV,
I mean from my mom. It's like, get a grip, dude,
you're you're a fear of your mom has truly ruined
your life. The person who gave it to him was

(48:12):
this hot woman in his friend's building. She was all
over him and said her husband didn't know what she was,
what he was missing, and she was his first. They
need her name, and he's like, the whole neighborhood's going
to find out. I'm like, I don't really know if
that's how New York works. And then he gives her
the name and it's Vicenza, a ghosto. So like literally
everybody in this little Italy thing is Italian according to
this episode, like everyone who lives in little Italy is Italian,

(48:34):
and they're all fucking each other. So now they go
talk to Vicenza and she's like, it's Joey's fault.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
My husband. Who's my soon to be ex husband. She said,
he's probably with a Strippery's banging. He knows she has
HIV Joey, but he somehow didn't get it, and she's like, well,
a month before the wedding, I cut Joey off from
sex for the honeymoon, you know, like to build up
sex for the honeymoon or whatever. And he didn't care
because he had a slot on the side. Then she
comes home the honeymoon with chlamydia.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
So she figures out that Joey's been cheating, decides to
get revenge. And she said the only person she slept
with was this college kidnamed Mike, and they're like, girl,
he says you were his first, and like, we believe him.
He looks very virginal, and then she admits it was
this guy, Mario, who bartended at a club. So now
they're at the club and there's this guy there and
at first he's like, nope, no Mario, and then they
show him a picture of the doc that tracks HIV

(49:23):
and he's like, wait, is this about AIDS And he
spills everything and says Mario stopped coming in a couple
weeks ago after the dock stop by. He's like, we
don't share girls. He's way into other shit that I'm not.
That's too hot for me, Like he's into orgy's threesomes,
another girl, another guy, anything to get off. And then
they're like, well, then why do you look like you're
about to throw up? Like why do you look so spooked?

(49:45):
And Finn's Finn goes, I got it. You guys share
needles and then he goes, not dope, image enhancers steroids,
And I'm like, you share needles for steroids, Like I
thought needles sharing normally happens because you're like hi, and
you're not really thinking straight about like hygiene. You just
want to get high for steroids. It's like, go get
a clean needle. I'm confused about why you would have

(50:06):
to be sharing needles for steroids. But the guys like,
I'm really screwed here, and they're like, so are all
your partners? We need a list. So back at the precinct,
it's science presentation time. Doctor Esterman had id'd forty seven
cases in this little Italy neighborhood. They continued her trace
and found thirty two more cases. That's seventy five cases

(50:28):
in this area. And little Italy is small. Everybody, it
is a small area. Like the nexus is one guy
and his name is Mario Molinari. And he's directly connected
to twelve women and two men, and out of those
fourteen cases, the rest branch out from their partners. So
everybody in Little Italy is banging okay, and they're like,

(50:50):
Gregan goes, all right, let's go find typhoid Mario, which
is funny to me. So they go to Little Italy
and they talk to a bunch of old guys who
know Mario, which is very like Italian I feel for
a bunch of old guys just be outside drinking coffee,
maybe playing cards, and they're like, oh yeah, girls are
always looking for him. He's up at Saint Catherine's Hospital.
An ambulance came for him. Probably wore himself out with

(51:12):
all that bata bang uh like, So it's hilarious. But
Saint Catherine's is where they had next, and they're talking
to Mario played by a guy named Chris Tardio who
was on four episodes of The Sopranos, still works, and
he's like, why is the.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Sex and the City guy?

Speaker 1 (51:29):
So he's, uh, he's when Samantha hires an assistant who
has a lot of attitude and he won't listen to her,
and then she goes you know what, you're fired, but
we'll fuck now.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
And then on the desk, yes, okay, because I saw
that he was on in indeed, just said like Matt
or something, and I was like, oh, that's not ringing
a bell immediately, so I didn't. I didn't look into it,
but I knew you would. Why didn't look into it?
I knew from the moment.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
You just knew from his face.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Oh okay, wow, I did not recognize him as that
assistant you our Sex and the City expert. So he's like,
why does that doctor care who I slept with? And
I'm like, why is everyone acting like it's the seventies.
It's two thousand and two. We all know that HIV
is not good to spread. Like He's like, why is
everybody on my case?

Speaker 2 (52:13):
It's like, you have.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
HIV, sir, you cannot just go around doing whatever you want.
And he's like, I didn't even know the doctor was murdered.
He says, I wish I could have seen it. And
then Benson checks his file, which you know is probably
a violation of privacy, and she's like, he's been in
the hospital with pneumonia for six days. It wasn't him,
And he goes, yes, some slut gave me HIV and
didn't give a damn.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Now I don't give a damn.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
And the law says they can't tell anyone, and then
they cuff him to his bed and they're like.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Wrong, Like you knew you had AIDS, you didn't warn
your partners. That's a crime. So this guy's now in trouble.
Cabot is on the scene at the precinct and she's like,
all right, I'm gonna charge Mario with attempted murder, reckless endangerment,
and statutory rape for the underage girls. Didn't even throwing
that one in at the last minute. Didn't realize he
was also poking up with underage girls. Cab says, you know, yeah,

(53:01):
this happened upstate and the health department posted flyers and
people just came in to get tested. She's saying that
to Benson because Benson's like concerned about, like, how are
we going to find out who all these victims are?
And then Craigan and Sabler walk in, Uh oh, they
found another body in the park. Cut to the press
questioning Cragan calling the perp the central park stalker. They
want to know if a Cereal is on the loose.

(53:22):
Now they're in Central Park. A mounted cop found the body.
A mountie, they say, he he shook up. He's like,
I've seen dead bodies, but nothing like this. And he
says that this area the park doesn't really get a
lot of traffic. It's two wooded for dog walkers and joggers.
And he goes and then I just saw Mona lying
there and they're like, you knew her, and he goes, Yeah,
her name's Mona Sidley. I recognized her by her binoculars,

(53:45):
not her face. She doesn't really have one anymore. Jesus okay,
second old lady found with like a vague resemblance of
a face in the park. Melinda found nothing on the
body but one foreign hair. There was a similar knife
sitch situation wrapped in plastic. We find out later that
there was also a poncho. So it seems like the

(54:05):
same guy. But Melinda's like, it might not be the
same guy. Like Mona was only stabbed six times as
opposed to thirty something in the Greta attack. Plus Mona's
facial injuries aren't half as bad as what happened to Greta.
This time, it was a broken bottle used in the
sexual attack instead of a tree branch. It's really like,
and Melinda's not sure it's the same guy.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
And I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Why we questioned Melinda, but you know, she's like, I
don't know. The moos just seems so different. So now
we're talking to the CSU tech with no name. The
guy playing him his named Manny Perez. He's been in
three other episodes of SVU, and he says it's the
same guy, no doubt. First off, another yellow poncho, another
knife with the plastic around the handle, same tread found

(54:47):
at the scene, matched to a size ten hiking boot.
And he's got soil samples from Greta's regular jogging area,
samples from where her body was found, and from where
Mona's body was found. And he's like, when you find
the shoes, they're gonna match all these three samples.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
I'm guaranteeing you.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
So then Finn tells Benson, I think it's definitely the
same guy, and Benson's like, well, but why would the
guy be losing passion about in his crimes when normally
serial killers they escalate, like their crimes get worse and
worse and they're like, maybe he got interrupted, maybe he's
gotten more self control with experience. But his post murder
behavior is different as well, Like he hid Greta, but

(55:25):
not Mona. He left her out in the open. Maybe
there's a connect between these victims. Mona lived alone, was
never married, she was a retired bookkeeper. So then they
remember that gret In Greta's calendar, they saw she had
a standing lunch with her friend Bonnie Vernon, so they
go have a chat with her and they're like, they're like,
did Greta have any bird watcher friends? Because I guess
you know, Mona's got the binocular, she's a bird watcher.

(55:46):
And Bonnie's like no, and she would have told me
something like that, which is hilarious, like the first thing
you catch up with.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Oh, by the way, you know, I have a bird
watcher friend now.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
But it turns out they were college roommates at Radcliffe
and she met Arthur at Harvard. Her family did not
approve of the marriage because she came from old money
and they didn't think Arthur was good enough for her,
and the friend goes he practiced tennis more than law,
but as a couple they were perfect no affairs. Arthur
is so old fashioned. I doubt he even looks at

(56:17):
other women. But a few months earlier, she remembers, Greta
asked her to run a credit report on a man,
but didn't say why, but she knows it had to
be personal, because otherwise she would have just used her
city investigators that she has access to through the health department.
And the guy's name was Vartan Dadian. There we go,
there we go, Vartan. She remembers, thinking, Oh, my friend

(56:38):
has an Armenian admirer. Okay, so now we're onto the
trade tracking down of Vartan Dadian.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
I gotta know why someone put that name in like that?
Is that's a good Neil question? Be like Neil, what
is that an anagram of? I'm sure it's like some
old star that he loves. But he says, no, if
she maybe him, maybe we can email him, Oh yeah,
him before to ask him other questions. Yeah, you gotta
ask him because I am so curious.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
So now they're talking to Arthur and he's like, are
you implying that she was having an affair?

Speaker 2 (57:15):
And he's like that's impossible.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
And then they're like, well, how did she seem lately,
and he's like, not really herself.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
She seemed preoccupied. Sometimes she worked all night and didn't
come home. She said she had to trace at night,
and like bars and clubs were a big part of
her contact tracing. So and then they asked him about
Vartan Dadian, like any any ring, any bells, and he's
like no, And if she had a boyfriend, I don't
think I would know his name, she said. He goes,
I thought we had the perfect marriage. Okay, there's no

(57:43):
such thing. And then Cabot subpoenut financials for Vartan. He
lives on the Upper East Side, he's got a pension,
everything's pretty standard. Rent goes out small expenses, but he's
got plenty of cash in another bank account opened last
year and for the past year twenty a month has
been going in to that account from Greta's personal account.

(58:04):
And then charges. We're talking four star hotels, top restaurants,
but also Gold Coast Models, okay, escorts, baby, So now
we're at Gold Coast Models and there's a very SVU
receptionist there. She's kind of dorky looking, and she whines.
She's like, we don't take walk ins then she gets
a call and she has a perfect sexy voice.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
She's like, thank you for calling Gold Coast Models. This
is angel Like she fully changes her voice. It's very funny.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
And then she tries to stop Finn Munch from going in,
but it's like, duh, you can't stop the cops. And
then she's like Darla, like the cops are headed your way.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
So the boss.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Darla's like, come on in, I've got nothing to hide.
And they're like, who sees Dartan whatever?

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Vartan Dadian and they're like, she goes, oh, miss Kitty
sees Dadian on a daily basis, and they're like where
is she? Yeah, yeah, and she goes, well, she retired
because he promised that he'd support her buy her a condo,
but guess she's still waiting for her payday. So she
works the bar at the Broadway Terrace Hotel. So they

(59:05):
go find her there drinking a huge Cosmo and she's like,
I last saw Vartan two nights ago. We went to dinner,
then we went upstairs to the hotel suite, but he
didn't have the funds for a sleepover, so she went
home and he stayed to sleep And now they're at
the apartment of our Tan Dadian and they're talking to
this older man who seems very confused. He's like, SVU,

(59:26):
what are you doing in my house? And he's like,
I'm not I'm not seeing anybody right now. And they're like,
what about miss Kitty and he goes, now, I know
you have the wrong guy.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I'm not really interested in pussycats. I'm obsessed.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
So this is a gay man who does not use
an escort service, and he has never heard of Gold
Coast Models. And he's like, my bank account is not
at that bank, and I haven't had any problems with
credit card or ID THEFS, but I'll call my bank
in the morning. And then they ask them about Greta
and he's like, oh, yeah, I read about her in
the papers, But how is my name involved in this?
And they're like it's a misunderst But just as they

(01:00:01):
go to leave, Stabler goes, oh, did you go to Harvard.
They don't really say how he gets this idea. I
guess he clocks like an alumni magazine or something on
the table and he's like, yeah, I did Harvard and
sixty Harvard class of sixty one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Interesting So now back to talking to miss Kitty and
they've got her at the precinct and she's like, yeah,
we always met at five star restaurants.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Bartan had very good taste. And they're like, well, where'd
you go?

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Two nights to go and she says, shy Marco nine o'clock,
want to know what I ate? And Finn goes, I'm
not touching that one. And you know, it's season four.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
We're hot on the puns and the double entendre, and
she says that night he was his usual charming self.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
And then Benson.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Pulls Munch out and is like, you know what, we
got too many Harvard guys in the mix here. I
need you to give this photo a ray to Kitty
and have her pick out her playmate. So then Munch
does that and she picks out Done Done, Arthur Esterman.
She goes, that's my Vartan.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
So this fucking sad widow has been plaguing the entire episode,
and well, the night, yes, we were all buying it
unless you subscribe to the rule that like they're not
really going to bring in sort of a recognizable actor
just for him to be like a sidecarre, you know,
he's they're usually going to get something bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Maybe he had aids in the end and he was yeah, yeah,
ste fire, or it was like she had the you
know there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I can't think of another example at the moment, but
but it's true. He was setting her good job, like
he was setting it up to look like she had
an affair. Not only did he throw the next to
sky at us, but he threw the fact well, yeah,
she wasn't coming home a lot lately. I guess bars
and clubs were part of her work, like totally trying
to make it seem like she was having an affair.
Like this guy was trying all the pulling out all

(01:01:44):
the stops. So the gang is all talking about it
and they're like, wow, the night of this guy's that
this guy's wife's body is found, he went and saw
Miss Kitty Andy booked another date for right after the funeral.
He either killed her because she found out that he
was draining the bank account or because he was a
new life with Miss Kitty and Finn's like it's both.
Greta was just at the bank last week asking questions

(01:02:05):
about these wire transfers, and all the transfers were authorized
by him, not her, And Craigan's like, well, why would
like an HIV doctor be okay with her husband like
seeing sex workers? And they're like, well, she didn't have
that much time to confront him. She only went into
the bank on Friday to ask about the money and
she was found dead on Monday, so I guess probably
an awkward weekend. But you know, only a little bit

(01:02:26):
of time has she even had this knowledge, and it's
still circumstantial. They say they need hard evidence. Miss Kitty's
ID though, is enough for a search warrant. So now
they're at the Estrument home and they're searching, and they're
finding evidence of these big cash transfers to Bartan and
they're like, he probably killed his wife and then killed
Mona to make it look like it was a serial killer.

(01:02:46):
Yet another thing he's throwing at the cops. So then
he comes home, he's, you know, shock and awe, you
think I killed my wife? Then munch fine, the boots
house down, boots. His boots are dirty, okay, and he
has no excuse. He's like, I love my wife, and
Benson's like more than Miss Kitty, and he's like who

(01:03:08):
And Benson's like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Save it Vartan and when she says that he's got
that face on, that's like okay, fuck, they've got me.
So back to the unnamed CSU tech who is confirming
the shist found in the Central Park boots. He got
a pollontologist to confirm the other sample. All this science
shit that neither Finn nor I am interested in. But
the boots that these boots.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
That they found in his house were near the body,
and like the science seems so crazy, like you can
actually say what they were near the body, like they're
that specific the soil, But according to the sky, that's
what a pollontologist does. And the footprints match the boots
as well. So now they've got Arthur in interrogation and
he's like it's a coincidence. The boots are very popular

(01:03:53):
and the dirt he can explain he went to lay
flowers at the grave and say a prayer for her,
his wife and miss Sidley, and he tells them it's
a waste of time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
I loved my wife, Like, you guys are wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
They're like interesting because you know, fake name, secret accounts,
call girls. This doesn't really feel like love. And he's like,
I did that out of respect.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
For Greta.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
And this like reminds me of when I literally almost
got kicked out of my smoking my non smoking dorm
for having an ashtray full of cigarette butts, and I
told them that I would just bring cigarette butts from
inside and put them in the ashtray, because like I
was a good Smaritan. Like this is what the vibe
is that this guy's trying to pull off. He's like, no, no,
I did that for her, Like that was a respect
for her. He says, after menopause, Greta lost interest in sex,

(01:04:34):
but I didn't, and she was down with me being
with other partners. I just had to be discreet, which
is why I use the fake name. Benson is very
skeptical that this literal HIV contact tracer was down with
her husband having high risk sexual activity. And he's like, listen,
we were married for forty years. Other kinds of fidelity
matter more.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
And they're like, okay, we'll give us a DNA sample
and he's like, why does that help. My DNA would
be on my way anyway. And they're like, well, what
about Mona. We found a hair and we can get
a court order.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
And he's trying to call their bluff because he is
a lawyer, right, he might be more of a tennis player,
but he does have a law degree. And he's like,
there's no connection to Mona. You guys have nothing. He
makes an analogy like about JFK and MLK being shot
with the same kind of weapon, Like, what you're suggesting
is that Lee Harvey Oswald killed both of them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
No judge is going to sign off on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
A blood order for you guys, And he's very smug
and grinning, and Benson looks grossed out. So behind the
one way glass, unfortunately, Cabot is confirming he's right, like
we don't have enough to force a sample and they
can't connect him to Mona Sidley in any other way.
So Benson's like, no blood sample, no case. And then
Stabler pulls up the old article they found earlier about
all the charities and the galas and the blood donation

(01:05:44):
and is like, what about the blood he donated at
this gala? Which is crazy because it's like they still
have it, Like, I don't know. This is just a
wild turn of sview events as usual. So now Arthur
is in Petrowski's chambers with Cat and he's arguing if
you allow this, then anyone who gives blood can have
their rights trampled on. And Cabot argues that the blood

(01:06:07):
bank chose not to contest their subpoena, he has no standing,
And he's like, what about my privacy?

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I donated?

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
But they're like, you donated the blood knowing it would
be tested, And Petrovsky is like, kind of buying this
and Arthur is like yeah. And Arthur's like, she's using
my philanthropic activities to justify an end run around the
judicial system. And Cabot says, I couldn't get a sample
from him, but nothing in the law bars me from
testing what he gave away freely, and Petrovsky agrees, but

(01:06:35):
she limits the scope. You can only do the same
tests that any blood bank would do on the blood,
like blood type. You know, you can test for HIV
and other kind of blood disorders, but don't They don't
test for DNA.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
They don't test your DNA.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
So Melinda tells them that Esterman is blood type AB,
he's free of any diseases, and the blood came back
positive for viagra and ecstasy, which is used to enhance
sexual encounters. Melinda explains and they're like, the amount that
they found in his system, he would have had a
two week hard on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
That's what the CSU tech says.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
So I don't know. So far, we've talked him a
few times. I haven't noticed a heart on. But Benson
and Stable are walking and talking. They're like this, he's
not gonna talk.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Like what are we going to do?

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
And then they're like, well, he is on ecstasy and
you know viagra, Like, well he's on ecstasy, and people
do tell their drug dealer stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Let's dump his phones. So then they dump his phones.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
They literally set up a sting with Finn in a
convertible to buy ecstasy in broad daylight from this guy
who hands him the ecstasy and is like you're gonna
need two women, and then Finn's like, that's what my
man Vartan told me. And then the dealer is immediately
sketched out like dude, we don't use names, and he
starts to leave, but Munch grabs him and they bring
this like drug dealer like and they're like, we want

(01:07:54):
the scoop on Bartan and they're like, he goes he's
got a love shock on East ninety second Street and
he just opped off.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Some e there a few hours ago.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
So hours, yes, so he is hopefully currently at the
love shack. They bust in on Family Ties Dad banging
Miss Kitty and it uses a pretty graphic sex. I yes,
it's like horned up. It's pretty crazy watching this Family
Ties Dad really get at us.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Yeah, it's two. It's like his full naked back hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
She's like fully naked from the way stuff like you
you're seeing like like humping and bumping.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
It's really it's a lot for SVU. You don't usually
see that. Usually just hear noises and then people stop
when you burst in. So he immediately jumps into lawyer
mode and is like, well, you just violated the search
warrant by not knocking. And they're like, well we heard
a woman in distress.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
We heard moaning, and then they're like are you all right,
miss and Miss Kitty is defending him like he didn't
do anything, he would never murder anyone. And then Benson finds,
I mean just sitting out on the table, miss Kitty,
like open your eyes, sitting right out on the table
is a one way ticket to prison. Ills and Benson's like,
uh oh, miss Kitty looks like you're not going with
and Kitty's like finally understands what's up. And then they're like,

(01:09:08):
did you use a condom tonight? And she goes, no,
I trusted the bastard. And so you get an idea
of how they're gonna get Arthur's DNA.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
So back at the precinct, they confront Arthur.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
They're like, well, we got the DNA that you deposited
in miss Kitty, and he goes, you'll find it's a
match to the DNA I left on poor Mona Sidley.
And it's like, wait, what You've done so many like
smart chess moves and you're just giving it all up now,
Like you don't even know that the hair was exclusive,
Like you know what I mean, Like they told you

(01:09:40):
all they found was a hair and that could totally
not have had a bulb on the end of it,
you know what I mean. Like it's possible they didn't
get the DNA from the hair, and I just don't
buy that, but whatever, I know, the story does have
to wrap up. And he says, yes, I'm sorry she
had to die talking about Mona and they're like, is
that a confession? And then he like looks to Stabler
and he it's like, do you know what it's like

(01:10:01):
to grow old?

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Detective?

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
We were together forty years when she just stopped liking sex.
That's how I found Kitty, and when I couldn't keep up,
the viagra and the ecstasy made me feel like I
was sixteen again. But Greta found out from the bank.
She confronted me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
I told her everything, begged her to try the ecstasy
and rekindle our love.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
But Greta was not down. She looked at him like
he was an animal, and she wanted to pull the money.
So you killed her.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
And he says to Benson, beautiful women like you wouldn't
even look at me if I wasn't rich, And then
he says to Stabler, what are you going to do
when your wife turns you away? And he's like, you'll
do just what I did. And Stabler's like, yeah, I
doubt it. Like you killed a stranger, you mutilated your wife.
Nothing justifies that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
And he was like, I was alive for the first
time in years, and Greta tried to take it away.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
I had to stop her. And that's dick wolf baby, and.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
It's so it's just wild because it's like you could
have also just killed her, Like you killed her so violently,
you know, like a simple stabbing would have done it,
or a gun or whatever, like there are poison, there's
a million ways you can do it. You literally made
it so that her face had to be reconstructed like
wild like. So this guy had some anger at him

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at the idea of having his sex life taken away basically.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Or even just getting a job.

Speaker 6 (01:11:23):
It seemed like, really you could go back to practicing
laws or yeah, like you can work. So that was
that was an interesting moment as well, and a lot
of similarities, a lot of similarities.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
So we'll dive.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Right into these cases of these killers. All right, So
the first okay, I'll just set the scene.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
So it's Halloween morning, nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Mabel Grenader and people call her May was savagely murdered
on a wooden wooded trail in Wesley, Massachusetts.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Wellesley. I have a lot of friends from this Ay
from Wellesley.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
And so she and her husband Dirk which is not
a real name, but her Grenader. He was a doctor
and allergist and if you're interested, he mostly focused on
childhood asthma. I threw that in because you have asthma,
So yes, there way and of course, baby Noah, we've
got a yeah, yeah, huge, hugely popular.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
And so whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
So the two of them, they went to take their
dog out for a walk around this pond.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
And they've been married for thirty years.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
She worked for him as a nurse and was, you know,
pursuing an advanced degree in healthcare.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
And they met.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
They raised three children and lived in Wellesley this whole time,
and they were known by neighbors and friends as like
very close, devoted to each other, and they walked these
German shepherds every day, like they always had dogs, and
they're walking them. He calls nine one one from his
cell phone. He said he left his wife to rest
and he kept going because she was having a back pain.

(01:13:16):
But he wanted to get his dogs some exercise, so
they split up, and when he returned, he found her
lifeless body bludgeoned and stabbed. So they were separated for
like ten minutes, and he claims he returned and found
her there. It was gruesome, like she was nearly decapitated,
stabbed in the chest and her skull was smashed with

(01:13:40):
a hammer, and her throat was slit and police found yeah, gruesome, gruesome,
And police found gloves, a hammer, a pocket knife believed
to be used in the murder in a nearby storm
drain with DNA evidence. There was DNA found on the
knife and gloves used in the killing, and all the
items had is blood on them. And obviously the husband's

(01:14:02):
a suspect. But he's like, no, it's a thrill kill.
There's it's a thrill kill. And it's like, no, you're
the number one suspect. Actually, a thrill kill is not
even a thing. And like his kids kept being like,
it's a thrill killer and it's like, what are you
talking about? But yeah, his children are all but it's
not even a thing. It's not like it's your own

(01:14:23):
family lingo. No one uh, no, one talks about this
thrill I mean, I think a thrill killer is like Bundy.
Bundy was like a thrill killer. Yeah, but like he
made it seem like it was a string of thrill
kills that it was like someone was doing it, and
they found the perfect moment in the ten minutes that
he walked with the dog.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
It's just like impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
But even with Ted Bundy, you would you would be
like a serial killer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Yeah, you'd be, you would.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
I just don't hear people going my wife was killed
by a thrill killer, Like, it's just not really a thing.
Whether then in an analysis, we you know they do
it for the joy of the game or whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
But I just it's suspicious to me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
And the investigation of this case, which the University of
Chicago Press called meticulous, was led by Marty Foley, which
doesn't sound like a professional name from the state police.
And of course when this comes out, the town of shocks, right,
this is a prominent physician, a family man, but guess
what living a double life.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
He loved sex.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Workers, porn and trists from the internet, just like the
episode Dirk claimed that they were having intimacy issues and
she wouldn't deal with them. He used a fake name
Thomas Young, not as you know, silly as Dartam or whatever.
And then he was downloading porn, huge phone sex bills.
He was meeting with sex workers in hotels and his

(01:15:53):
home office. Police actually found that he contacted a sex
worker a day after his wife's murder and the debut,
So yeah, before and after the murder, he was in
those streets and they thought that he killed his wife
in order to be more free out in the streets.
He was arrested mid November ninety nine, and the courtroom,

(01:16:14):
I guess, was like very dramatic, and it was like
air on court TV, and it was just like air
nationally and there's a lot of spectacles. I saw no
other follow up to that little claim, So I don't
know if that was to sell a book or what,
but like, there was nothing wild that I came.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
I almost surprised I didn't hear about this because like
I went to college. I was in college in nineteen
ninety nine with a ton of people from this area,
from Wellesley, and it's like only a couple hours from
where I went to college.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
So I'm really surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
I guess I wasn't like as on the internet in college,
you know, just reading about stories and crimes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
So I guess that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
I also want to say that like that part of
the country, it seems like have lots of secret family is,
lots of lies, lots of corruption.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Yes, so maybe it didn't come up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
But over the course of the trial, the prosecution described
how Dirk had set up a phone company and used
it to apply for a corporate credit card under his
alias Thomas Young. You know, they talked about all his
group sex and how frequent it had gotten, and his
behavior was obsessive. In the week before his wife's murder
and those seven days, he contacted several prostitutes, had sex

(01:17:26):
with at least one, and was spending more than four
hours a day on internet porn sites. And this is
an addition to keeping up with his demanding ass job.
You know, if he wanted to, he would, And it's
not like May didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
She was like, what's going on? You know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
The witnesses said that she was getting insecure in the
marriage and started buying new clothes. Working out was like
thinking about getting a facelift. Prosecution spun it that she
probably got close to figuring it out or already did,
and he wanted her out of the way, or like
if it did get out, how it affect his career
and relationship with his children. The prosecution also stressed that

(01:18:02):
when witnesses placed this guy in the moments after the murder,
emerging from the area where the murder weapons were found,
not like heading in the most likely place to get help,
which is the main road. So if like you find
a crazy murderer, you would like go to a populated
area and not come out of the woods. They also
said that he delayed making the nine to one one call,

(01:18:24):
and also after like thirty to forty minutes of making
the call, police said that he asked, is she dead?
And am I going to be arrested? So I don't know,
but you know, Miranda writes, don't say anything, but or
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Why would you ask if you're going to be arrested? Yeah?
Isn't it a thrill killer?

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
So they focus on also why the doctor had no
blood on his hands, because he testified he tried to
pick up his wife's battered body and found and like
find a pulse in her neck. He is a fucking
doctor And this is according to the New York Times,
So like, why wouldn't you be covered in her blood? Yeah,
So the defense of that, the cops ignored that there

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was two other crimes unsolved involving the killing of elderly
people in nearby recreation areas within the previous year, and
that's according to the Cape Cod Times. All right, so
what he did have, like he didn't have evidence, really,
but he had testimony he had a lot of support
from friends and family and his three children. The case
did put a divide in the family, so you know,

(01:19:28):
both Dirk and Mabel's relatives were aiding an investigation. The
victim's sister, Elsa Stark and her daughter Belinda Markle both
testified against him, and in the Boston Harald, Lol, they
called him a sex obsessed wife slayer. And that's like,
I don't know, a cool Halloween costume, I guess, yer,

(01:19:51):
I guess A lot of the evidence was circumstantial, and
I do see that. And they had a classic SVU
that like the plastic zipper bags near her b were
the same ones found in their home.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
But you know, yeah, you can't really do that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
But it was a six week trial, four days of
deliberations with the jury, and on June twenty ninth, two
thousand and one, he was found guilty at sixty years old,
a first degree murder and sentenced to life without the
possibility of parole. Stark thinked the jury and did not
look at Grainander at all. And then also there was,
like I guess, some sort of loophole in the Massachusetts law,

(01:20:28):
so that even though he was found guilty for murdering
his wife, he was still the executor of her state estate.
WHOA yeah, Stark had to fight to stop him from
being entitled to selling her property, investing and distributing assets
all from his cell. He sold their big family home
for four hundred K and then like sold it to

(01:20:49):
his youngest daughter's boyfriend for a dollar. I don't know
how that works. That's actually confusing to me, because what
do you mean he sold it and then was able
to sell it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
To maybe the house was worth four hundred k and
that's what he saw to the daughter's boyfriend for I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
That's crazy. And he planned for this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
So he applied to the Norfolk Probate Court to be
appointed the ex executor of her estate just two months
after her death, and the application was approved on February seventh,
two thousand, three weeks before he was indicted on a
charge of murder. So and she had and she also
had a will that was signed months before her death

(01:21:25):
that her husband would inherit everything, but then being convicted
it did disinherit him in the state law. But then
like the application to this state without the will was
like approved.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
I don't know, I don't know what's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Going on in Wellesley, but he wasn't part of her inheritance,
but he was part of like whatever application he did
to be her state person. Yeah, I don't really know,
but either way, it's like fucked up. The house was
torn down in twenty sixteen, and the last purchase of
the house was in two thousand and two for six
hundred and fifty five thousand. According to Zillo, I don't know,

(01:22:01):
but basically, he had a lot of ducks in a row.
He was able to do shit with her estate, and
like her sister was trying to get it back, and
that just like doesn't seem like an innocent man to me,
you know, Yeah, yeah, but I understand he wants things
for his children, but I doubt that the aunt was
trying to fuck over her sister's children, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
He doesn't think he committed the crime.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
He's like, I cooperated with cops, but they were only
focused on me. He believes that the whole trial was
all about him being involved with sex workers and that
it's not fair. He says he loved his wife and
still does and that the cheating is what made the
jury convict him. The kids still support him and maintain
their father's innocence even decades later. There's a quote from

(01:22:45):
the daughter Brittany, my mother was a fighter. She would
have told us to continue to stand up, continue to
speak the truth, because what other choice do we have.
But it's like, I don't know, it's worse. I like,
your mom's dead and watching you defund her killer, but
it is your dad. Nonetheless, he's in his eighties. He's
in a medium security prison in Norfolk. Every pro orle

(01:23:06):
board like he's been denied parole tons of times, and
there's just like so many articles about him trying to
get out of prison. But basically, parole boards look for
people that have taken responsibility for their crimes, accepted it,
and like want to move forward, and he refuses to
do that. He does not take responsibility. The verdict has
been upheld at every level of appellet review. And yeah,

(01:23:28):
and if you want to know more, it seems like
this book is cool. A murder in Wellesley and it
seems intense. Yeah, so you can do it, okay, And
then there's one more so. The next case is the
Craig Rabinowitz case. And you know, a tale as old
as time same thing. Family friends, neighbors are like, oh
my god, Craig and Stephanie Rabinowitz are like the perfect couple.

(01:23:53):
They had a baby daughter, Haley, dream home and an
upscale They keep saying Mainline neighborhood of Mary in Pennsylvania, and.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
So that's like main Line is like a collection of
these might have a lot of friends that are from
the main Line.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
It's like a collection of Philly suburbs.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
And she was an attorney and he had a latex
products business. They met when she was Okay, so they
met you. This is so they met when she was
a counselor in training and he was a counselor at
summer camp and she was sixteen and doing the math
from the ages of the time of the crime. He
was twenty. So that's just something to kind of think about.
But she was a National Merit scholar who went to

(01:24:30):
Brindmar and then Temple University for law school. He did
not complete his degree from Temple, and the Washington Post
is trying to shade him for sure, like I think
every but like no one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Was like, oh, he's uneducated.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
It wasn't like her family didn't think he was good enough,
like everyone liked Craig.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
He was a really lover and yeah, everyone was on
top of it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
She was on her way to have what she thought
was a perfect life for herself, you know, family, great job,
a loving husband. And on April thirtieth, nineteen ninety seven,
shortly after midnight, Craig called police to report that he
had found his wife's lifeless body in the bathtub. She
was twenty nine, he was thirty three. And for days
loved ones grieved with him. You know, it appeared to

(01:25:15):
be an accidental death. But then, as the Washington Post
puts it, grief changed to disbelief after an autopsy showed
that Stephanie had not hit her head and drowned like suspected,
but had been strangled.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
And there was also physical evidence that showed that she
had bruises on her side and was maybe killed somewhere
else and then drags upstairs to the tub. So May fifth,
right after his wife's funeral, Craig was arrested and charged
with the murder. He was dubbed the mainline murderer by
the local news. And he had a secret life and
it was all front page news. He had huge debts,

(01:25:50):
his company was fake, not real. He fooled everyone on
all accounts, Like all family and friends believed his business
was legit selling gloves and other Latex products out of
his home, but prosecutors say there's no evidence he conducted
any real business. The couple apparently was living on Stephanie's salary,
which was like thirty three thousand dollars as a part
time lawyer in a Philadelphia law firm. Yeah, everyone kept like,

(01:26:13):
and this amazing job, and it's like, I mean, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Money was tight, and.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
They bought a two hundred and thirty thousand dollars home
and took out two additional mortgages, borrowing a total of
like three hundred thousand, five hundred and like loans from
friends totaling ten grand. The couple took out a one
point five million dollar insurance policy on Stephanie, naming her
husband the beneficiary, just weeks before her death, And like, so,

(01:26:44):
what was going on? What was all these debts and
money and everything? While he was spending all on a
stripper named Summer aka Shannon Reinhardt, who danced at a
downtown Philly club, Delilah's Den. Nobody knew this, but he
was spending thousands a week. And when you think that
she's only making thirty three grand, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Like what.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
He was giving her money, gifts, furniture, health club memberships.
He'd been seeing her regularly for about a year, and
he spent almost twenty nine grand visiting Delilah's den Gez Shannon, though,
said their relationship was only professional and I believe it, well,
I don't know. I mean, maybe she's like but I

(01:27:28):
kind of like believe that he was de Lulu. You know,
it's like the bombshell. It's like her job is getting
money from you, Like I don't and this wasn't. And
what's shocking is none of this was new. Court documents
revealed he was caught in a Philadelphia prostitution ring investigation
several years prior, and received immunity from prosecution for his

(01:27:51):
testimony in March nineteen ninety three. Wow, so everyone is
stuned and at first her parents ann In Lois Lewis Louis.
At first her parents the Newman's stood behind him and
were down to post collateral for his bail, and then
they were crushed with this news that he like pawned
his wife's jewelry for this stripper and also pawned her

(01:28:16):
engagement ring within days of her death, according to their attorney,
Neil Epstein's The Washington Post. So like, I don't know,
maybe your daughter Hayley would have wanted that ring. Yeah,
And people close to her don't think she knew or
like would tolerate and something like this. And the parent,
the parents, to their very core, according to the lawyer,
were like, absolutely, she did not know this. And that's

(01:28:38):
in the Washington Post. So then he was like in
this crossroads, right, he was in all this debt, all
this stuff. So it's like, Okay, confess your double life
and debt to everyone you know, or murder your wife
and collect life insurance money.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
And that's what he decided to do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
He was like, Oh, I'm gonna kill the mother of
my child and then I'm gonna continue living a life
with this stripper.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Like what are you talking about? Out?

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Like Jesus, he this motherfucker strangled his wife, set up
a murder scene while his daughter's at home. Like the
daughter's sleeping in her home as you're strangling her mom.
Like and instead of just being like, yo, I'm in
debt and I'm a piece of shit like I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
I just don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
And this guy also had a suitcase packed thousands in
cash ready to flee after his wife's funeral. The grandparents
obviously took the one year old daughter, who turned one
the day of her mother's memorial service. Oh my god.
And it's just he's disgusting. And the law firm Stephanie
worked that established a trust for Haley, so someone is

(01:29:43):
thinking about her future, pawning the engagement ring after she's set.
After you kill, I mean, it is like, I mean,
the murder is bad enough, but it's just like, yeah,
what a fucking slimeball. His attorneys were trying to investigate
leads of a strange man knocking on neighbors doors, and yeah,
they're like, go fuck yourself. They're like, no, they were

(01:30:06):
the only there was no sign of fourth century at all.
But while sobbing, he did plead guilty, thank fucking God,
to charges of first degree murder, theft by deception, and
deceptive business practices. He did this, he says, according to
The New York Times, to spare his family the pain
of a trial. He was sentenced to life in prison
without the possibility of parole. And kind of wild. So

(01:30:28):
like The New York Times reported about his sentence and
guilty conviction on October thirty first, nineteen ninety seven. So
like two cases to Halloween, sucky, very spooky. But even
though you know he was claiming someone enter the home
or whatever, he finally admitted it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
He told Judge Samuel W.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Sallis, two D of Montgomery County Court that he decided
to enter the plea after three dead loved ones. His wife,
father in law, and father visited him in a dream
that he had, and they put their hands on his
hand and said, crag, it's time for you to do
what's right. It's time for you to do the right thing.
And that's he's That's why I wish, gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
An angel had come to you in your dream and
told you not to murder your fucking innocent wife. I know,
just because you love you love strippers, Jesus Christ. Couple
of scumbags. Oh my gosh, what an episode.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Thank you for telling me about those crimes.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
I had never heard of either of those, and both
from not very far from where I.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Grew up and was at the time that they happened.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
Interesting and no guests today, So let's move right onto
our post mortem of today's episode.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
It's a good episode totally. It's the Bartan episode, the
random bar Dan. I love seeing an old, beloved man
from a family sitcom be evil. That's fun too.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
I mean this episode is like classic, like also just misogyny.
This man has just like been second fiddle to his
wife his whole life, and then he's like, I just
want to fuck, let me fuck. She's trying to stop
me from fucking, and so she's just like I'm gonna
kill her, like it's so, and then he kills another
woman just to cover up his crime. That poor innocent mona,

(01:32:27):
like I mean, a truly a truly.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Evil chilling people can snap at any moment. Oh, how
about this not related to this episode, the Terogram chat
or whatever that has seventy thousand men talking about how
to rape their wives and girlfriends and stuff, fucking chilling.
This guy's in that group probably, and I don't know

(01:32:51):
the real life crimes.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
It's like I want to say, Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
I can't believe that like a story like that happened,
and then it jumps right into a TV script.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
It's like, no, it happens all time.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Men are just killing their wives out there, like, uh,
it's nightmare town. But I guess what we learned is, yeah,
even if you meet your husband at Harvard, be careful
because you might be more successful than him and it's
going to lead to your downfall.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Yeah. Just there was a clip in my algorithm.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Yeah, like if women make more they there's more likely
chance of divorce. And she'd like, they just get pissed.
If you get promoted, your chances of divorce go up.
It's like these dudes. Honestly, I gotten to not a
tiff online, but it was this thing of like, you know,
men will talk about their issues and be like, well
we're doing this and that it's like, well, yeah, be

(01:33:37):
more like women. Like the solution to men's problems is
to be more like women, and they refuse and they
want to they also want women to solve their problems.
Yet don't trust us in any capacity or listen in
any way. But it's like, yeah, just like, be chill
and be like a woman and be more like us,
and then maybe you won't all be lonely and dying alone.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Literally, the plot of Mowana, like the plot of Mowana
is that she handles it like the way a woman
would handle it rather than fighting and like you know,
muscles and magic and whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
So anyway, just.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
You know, gotta give a shit always always goes back
to Mawana. But like, yeah, no one will listen to her.
She's just a girl, she's a prince at whatever. Like
no one will listen to her. And then she's fucking
the one that that does it. But yeah, it's so true.
That's why I was like, not to bring it back
with a new year. We're gonna be positive. But like
I was like, let's just give a woman president a shot.

(01:34:37):
Let's just see what fucking happens. We've done it the
same way forty seven times. Let's try it a different way,
and no one will. They just they don't see us
as people. They don't respect us. They've shown it time
and time again. I don't know what the game is.
And now they're pissed. Now oh oh the banging. There's
banging my radiator as people are online are calling it

(01:34:57):
the sword fighting. People think it sounds like there's a
sword fight.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Now that's all I'm gonna think about on guard. Oh yeah,
and now and now that women have like the power
to be like no, we're just gonna work, or in
South Korea like yeah, we're just not gonna get like
get away from us. Now they're like, well, then you're
not gonna be able to get divorced, and we're you're
gonna give birth whenever we want you to, like, and
you're not gonna go to school. And I was seeing

(01:35:23):
this thing of like any time like something becomes more
for women than it becomes devalued. So now that more
women are in college, now like uh, no one needs college.
You don't need to college anymore. Yeah, And I was
like that's so interesting. It's like they I don't know.
I don't know, because then they bring us their issues
of like well then we're at war and then we're

(01:35:44):
depressed and we're this and it's all on us, and
it's like, oh, yeah, if you if you just like
act different and let women lead, maybe things will change.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
But they can't. They can't. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
It's like and it's also like in the aftermath of this,
like Giselle pellicoat, this woman in France has become like
a woman's like you know, she's become like this iconic
figure of like resilience and strength and survivorship and the
not all mening that's happening, Like all in the comments,
it's like men won't even.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Post about it. Men won't even post about it. If
it's not all men, then why aren't you horrified? Like
why aren't you horrified? You're singing, I can't believe men
are doing it. It's like when it's like the same
as cops. It's like no, no, no, no, you all know
what's happening. You see it all the time, and now
this huge thing, and I don't think there's one man
that posted it in my whole algorithm.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
I know, I'm trying to think if I saw and.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Maybe a gay here or there, but like I really,
I have not seen any one post about it that's
not a woman.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
And we can't even it's we don't have enough time,
but we can't like maybe next week we get into
Baldoni Lively.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Are you following any of that? I am, but I
just am exhausted. It's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
I don't know, Like I literally I was on this
other podcasts like months ago before this all came out, going,
are they making up all of this drama between the
stars so that the movie does well, and then the
movie did so well, and I was like, this feels
like a marketing thing. It feels like almost like the
spitting thing that happened with Don't Worry Darling.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
You know. I was like, are they making this up?

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
All this drama because the movie did so well and
I knew nothing about the book and whatever. But now
it's like reading the thing, I think it's possible to
not like Blake Lively. And also she has been very
mistreated by this man and the people at his production company.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
For me, is like he went alone, like no one
was with him. Mm hmmm. Also who is he? Like?

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
That's my thing too. It's like I cant believe. Suddenly
we're like listening. I've never even heard of this man.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
He's from Jane the Virgin and he literally I'm like,
something is a red flag about a guy buying a
female written story about domestic violence and going I want
to play the abuser.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
That's my I want to buy this movie. I want
to buy the rights and I want to make I
don't want to be the abuser. Like that's you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
We interview people all the time on this podcast who
are like, oh, I love playing the bad guy. Sure,
it's just I don't know. And then this all comes out.
It's like, I don't know, I'm getting a weird feeling
about him. But let's move on to.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
But the fact that he hired the same prs these
bad people is like to smear women. I mean, that's
what we said with the Johnny Depp amber Herd Like
it's it's had a very bad precedent, and it's gonna
make it even harder for victims because men are more worried,
that's yeah, more worried about like being with their bros
Than protecting women of any kind, like they will never yeah, yeah, yeah, listen,

(01:38:42):
it's disappointing. So I've been my whole break, like I've
been going back and forth like penduluming from I'm gonna
enjoy it all.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
One day when I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
In like doing hard labor in a factory, when my
career has been stripped away, I can remember that these
times of relaxation and enjoyment and you know, living my dream.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
So I'm there and then I and then I.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
Spiral about the future and what will it be like
starving and cold?

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
I don't know, Well, yeah, well, what will they make us.
Where are the labor camps? You know, I'm interested in
all the details.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
So then so I go from like yes, yes, yes,
to oh no, but I think that's ever I'm not
being you know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Yeah, I don't think you're being no. Everybody's trying to
like be positive.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
It's the new year, but then also like the new
year just started with like all these like tragedies and
fucking bombings, and.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
But have one man say something to me, I will
punch you in your throat, like, honestly, just fucking try me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
That's where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
This is not the year for talking to us men.
It's not it. It's not it. You can't We're not
allowing it. Let's let's get into what would Sister PEG
do our weekly segment where we give you more information
about what we talked about in today's episode. And honestly,
this week I wanted to direct you, guys. I was
inspired by the work of the poor deceased murder victim

(01:40:05):
in SVU, who was doing contact tracing, and so I
wanted to point you to this CDC article about contact tracing.
I know it came up big in COVID, but this
article explains like the history of contact tracing, how it
helped eradicate smallpox. I think how it's helped a lot
of disease control. And you know this, in these trying
times where maha is abounding, I would like us to

(01:40:28):
still listen to science if we can. This article even
has an activity section where you can conduct a little
disease transmission experiment using baking soda or vinegar.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
Ooh la la, I think I know what I'm doing
with my kids after school. So for more info, head
over to CDC dot gov. And that link will as
always be posted in our show notes and on a
in a story that we put up the dat this
episode comes out and those are saved forever in our
WWSPD highlights on our Instagram page. Thank you so much,

(01:40:58):
and we will be doing baggage. Okay, you're gonna be scared.
Season ten, episode eighteen. Thanks so much for listening. Happy
New Year, You're all the best. We're pumped to be.
I mean, I know you've just been listening, but it
feels fresh, it feels fresh, and we're back.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
We're back bi New Year.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
But we keep them getting we keep giving them to you,
and that, yeah, I will say that's really cool for us,
and if there are, I will say also a little reminder,
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(01:41:40):
you know, saw at Bellhouse or at the cellar.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
All you guys are, We're great. Thank you guys for listening.
We'll see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
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