July 24, 2024 • 44 mins
Why is Irene from Home And Away beefing with a 20-year-old about the Gold Logie? We unpack the latest Logie beef bubbling on the internet.
Plus, "Kamala is Brat". We dive into exactly why calling the US Vice President Kamala Harris a brat is actually a compliment in 2024.
And, the teacher who staged a rebellion over… birthday party invitations. We discuss the most ridiculous requests teachers have received.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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about on Wednesday, the twenty fourth of July. I'm Holly
Wayne right, I'm brat.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm not brat. You can't you're not allowed. I read
you're not allowed to self identify. Someone else has to
call you back. Now you've ruined it. That is the
sound of gen Z's everywhere being like, oh cool. She's
ruined a whole movement and probably undermined Kamala Harris's campaign.
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Take it back.
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Speaker 2 (02:11):
On Today's show, why is Irene from Home and Away
beefing with a twenty year old about the gold LOGI?
What is Tim Coconut? Who's in the k hive? And
why is the vice president of the USA being called brat?
Decoding the very TikTok campaign kickoff of Kamala Harris and
(02:32):
the teacher who staged a rebellion over birthday party invitations
are the expectations we're putting on educators. Just a bit drunk,
but first mea Friedman.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
In case you missed it, the Matildas do not like
their Olympic uniforms.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Stuff not happy.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Mackenzie Arnold and Alana Kennedy posted a TikTok that has
gone viral revealing the outfits that they will wear to
represent Australia.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I don't know if this is real. I think I
saw them and in fact, when it's part of the
whole outfit with the blazer, it doesn't look bad.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It looks I guess this isn't what they're going to
play in it. Yeah, so I know that podcast is
not a visual medium, but we'll post footage on our socials.
But a strappy green and gold dress with a pleated skirt.
It kind of looks like a leotard with vignette of
yellow to green.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I wore a kilt as part of my school uniform,
my current quarter kilt. That's what this is giving me.
It's a three quarter kils.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It's a bit in that ball dressy but with spaghettish.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah. Some of the suggestions have been that it looks
like they might be going to the beach or their
year ten formal. Others have said, as you did, Jesse,
it's giving Australian primary school sports uniforms from the ninety Yeah, yeah,
yeah the plate. Some say it's giving family photos and
your mum's picked everyone matching outfits. And then someone said,
I honestly could not guess the sport based on this uniform.
(03:56):
My best guess is a combination of swimming, jazzus size
and tennis.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
My Matulder's badwagon is revving as who's getting on, Who's coming?
I'll get on the only problem is because we're all
excited about the Olympics, freakin' Europe because the first Matilda's
game is on Friday, but it's at three a m.
What if we get the first Matilda's game is against Germany.
It's at three am on Friday morning. It's sort of
(04:22):
before the big official kickoff of the Olympics. I'm more
excited about the Matilda than anything else. But am I
really getting up at three ams?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It's good for our out loud as who are shift
workers or insomniacs, or.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Have perry yes, or have babies.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I'm excited for the swimming. I like the gymnastics, light,
the diving, I like all of it. But I like
just turning on the TV and I don't know what
I'm gonna watch and I end up, you know, seeing
some Polish person do the splits. That's what I enjoy doing.
But I have been deep on TikTok in the Olympic village,
our Olympic TikTok before the Olympics have started. I've been
living in the Olympic village. So here's what I know. Firstly,
(04:57):
they're allowed to post as much content as they like.
I don't think that's always been the case.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Isn't that interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
So I think in other years there's been like a
no social media policy, and now I think that it's
become so endemic to people's identity, and it's also their hobbies.
Like making TikTok content is a good sort of distraction
in a positive way.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, it's fabulous. They're all going viral. It's very kind
of basic. The room like a hostel, like a bit
like a hostel. The beds are made, the base is cardboard,
and the actual mattress is like foam. And I'm really
concerned because I just don't see how you're a few.
I think Tilly Kerns, who's an Australian Olympian, said, you know,
(05:36):
she's not sleeping very well. And I'm worried about performing.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Some of these tiktoks and you can turn they're like
if you think about the kind of cushion that you
put on an outdoor chair, like really thin. But then
there's a firm side and a soft side. And I
was watching some of the Matilna's saying they're not sleeping
and they went, oh, we'll turn it over to the
soft side.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And they went, oh, that was the soft.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Now was the soft side? I tell us they're good
bed They need good beds because they need their rest.
I remember when I was growing up, So I was
in year four when the Sydney Olympics happened and we
needed bunk beds two says twins, and we bought themselves
in hand from the Olympic village.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Were who slept in your bed? Do you think?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Is that what?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
It was?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
So long? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, so they were a little bit long, but you
could also get which is the case. He could get extenders,
which some of the Olympians do need they at all
because they're reach to the basketball.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Your parents could have just bought one bed and you
could have slept end to end exactly right.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, I remember them so rividly. Australia's biggest TV personalities
are fighting over a gold LOGI and when I mentioned
this story this morning, I need you to know that
Holly frantically rubbed her hands together. She started bouncing on
the shop. She started just like flapping her arms around.
She was like, tell me more salivating. She physically leaned
(06:52):
in and I've never seen her more animated about a story.
Why do you think it's number one on our rundown today?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I was like, really it must be First, she started panting,
nothing is more important? When I informed her that the
Robert Irwin and the Lynn McGranger. I'm going to use
the word feud because it excites Holly. Allow me to
explain who she again.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It pushes a button for me from my old tabloid day.
I'm feud shock miracle baby.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I'm just like, is just like all right. Lynn McGranger
is of course home and away fame. She has been by.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
She might be an out loud because Adau is and
they're good mates. They are good mates anyway, Hi, Iilen,
if you're listening.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
There are no villains in this story.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Up for the Gold LOGI I'm team Irene. Just can
I be clear before we start?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Okay, Well, this year we've got Larry Emder, We've got
Julia Morris. These are the people who are up for
the Gold log Sonya Krueger, Tony Armstrong, Andy Lee, Robert
Erwin and Asha Ketty. Larry Emder. We love Larry. He
posted about his nomination and Lynn McGranger saw it. She
thought I leave a little comment and she I'm sorry,
(08:10):
but old mate Irwin has been on Telly for a
bloody minute. No disrespect intended.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Old mate.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
That's what I said when I heard that, exactly what
you said.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Is Lynn mcgrange nominated for I thought she was nominated.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
She was supporting her friend Larry. Oh, I see so,
Larry replied, are you starting an Internet future? Lynn? Which
I love you, mom, starting on face exactly. I'm just
don't care, Lynn replied, could be, honey, So she just
put some little Lynn. Yeah, she's just there for the tea.
(08:44):
That's when Julia Morris Robert Erwin's co host from I'm
a Celebrity and also rival for the Gold LOGI, yeah,
she got involved. She's having none of it, she said.
I understand that people aren't exposed to people from other
networks very often. I think Lynn's love for Larry. Everyone
looks at Larry and they're like, Larry deserves it, He's
been around forever. Well, my answer to that is everyone
deserves it on that list. I totally get the sentiment
(09:07):
where you want to protect and fiercely fight for the
per newer door, but it's not appropriate to call out
somebody else at someone else's expense. And Lynn knows better
than that. She went on to praise Lynn's incredible career,
and she said that she's sure it just comes from
a place of loyalty to good old Larry.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'd like to see Asher enter the chat.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Where's can you imagine?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
She's not even posing for the group photo. She's busy
on sets being brilliant.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Now, it's be clear important to note, and you might
have missed this detail, but Larry did speak to a
celebrity psychic on air, and the celebrity psychic predicted that
there will be no gold for him.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Oh I did How was his poker face?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
He took it. He took it really well, and he
said I have heard that, oh Larry. Now, I love
some awards beef because everyone pretends I don't care, but
everyone really cares. And there has been some commentary about
twenty year old Robert Erwin's nomination. Maya you think Lynn
has a point?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I do, I really do.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Look, I'm sure that Robert is a lovely young man,
and I'm sure maybe he will have a big future
in television, but he has not earned.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Oh do you even know what the criteria is for gold?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Logo? I can't work.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
No, I've got it. I looked it up. Because that's
my job is to look it up. The Gold Logi
is an award for the most popular personality on Australian television.
Do you know how many Instagram followers Robert Owen has
six million?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Are we basing it on Instagram?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I just think it's a data point.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It is a data point.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
What's her beef with Robert?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I don't have a beef with him. I think his
time will come. I just don't think he's worthy yet.
It hasn't earned his stripe.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's not a lifetime Achievement award.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
It is a little bit. It's kind of iconic.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
This is the thing is that what does the Gold
Logi mean? And the thing that's really interesting about the
logis is in Australia, we half think the logis is
a joke and half get really indignant in any way. Right,
So we spend a lot of the time like sort
of leaning into a cultural cringe about the logos. Oh,
the dresses, it's not like America. How embarrassing, blah blah,
(11:14):
and then half just like, how dare they outrageous?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So do you think'ski me?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Gold? Definitely?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
My thing about Robert Erwin?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Right not?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And Ley did you know that Robert Irwin won LOGI
eleven years ago. He's actually won a Logi Award before.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
How was he even born that long time?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
He was on a TV series with his mum and
sister and he was nominated for most Popular New Male Talent.
That man has been on television for twenty years. And
I think that he might win the Gold.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So don't know. I want to win the Gold.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Oh, I want She's my top.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Here's the thing. Does Ashley's iconic want to win it before?
She has won it before? And the thing is is
I remember because I worked at TV week for a
while one hundred years ago and Logis was a big
deal then. The people who were always winning Gold in
those days were Lisa McCune and Rove.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
He won it like three times, yep.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And it was that era. And so really it reflects
as you've said, that's the criteria says this exactly. It
reflects a moment. It reflects a moment in time. And
who is everybody looking at on TV right now?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Now?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Obviously in that time TV has changed so much. Yeah,
so fragmented. Everybody isn't really looking at anybody. Everybody is
looking in all kinds of different directions. So it does
come down to things like Instagram followers. And the thing
about Robert Irwin is he maybe twenty, but he definitely
has riz. He definitely has charisma, enthusiasm, he leans in
he wants.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
But my question about Instagram followers in the case of
Robert Irwin, I don't think his Instagram followers are a
result of his TV. I think his TV is a
result of his Instagram followers. Yes, so I don't think
the people who are following him on Instagram have probably
ever even seen him on TV. And my other view
would be, if someone has to win from that show
I'm a Celebrity, Get Me out of Here, which I
think is a great show, I would prefer it to
(13:03):
be Julia Morris, who I don't think has ever won.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And she's said yes, but I think that a war
was like, we've got this sense and she needs to
be fair. Yes, And it's not really how awards work.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I think by fair people mean the person I want
to win.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yes, that would be fair exactly, But I would if
I was Robert Irwin. I was saying this and he's
been so gracious because of course he is, but I
would be thinking I don't think the average Australian quite
knows how prolific Robert Irwin is. That he's been doing
shows on the Discovery Channel. He was on Jimmy Fallon
in Australia. He has done more television show.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I realize that I don't think people do.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
So they think that he's just one. I'm a celebrity
for five minutes. Yes, there's a reason why he is
genuinely very talented and why he's so good at what.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Is he good on that show? I haven't watched him.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, he's brilliant and he's controversy free.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Why is he so so far? He's only twenty. There's
plenty of time for his controversies to unfold. Not that
I wish him ill. The dynamic lake between him and Julia.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Fantastic and Julia. I mean, Julia has done it and
she's industry pro. But he's very likable, he's very charismatic,
He's very good.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I have a different Logi's adjacent issue. I need to
address are you too going? Because Strife TV show based
on MEA's memoir that you both were me as ep
of your producer of you wrote an episode, et cetera. Jesse,
are you going? And my adjacent question to that, obviously
is what are you wearring? But my other question is
I was just talking about how people like to diss
(14:26):
the logis, but also they really care. Did you really
care that it got nominated for LOGI would you have
been upset if it had not been?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I didn't even consider it being I forgot about the logo.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I really thought, yeah, I thought of that just sort
of came around and then I heard we'd been nominated.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I was pretty happy that we were nominated.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
See that's the thing about awards, right, we can diss them,
but to be recognized by your peers and within an industry,
it's great for publicity, it's great for your bio. That
you're right that nominated. Show like that all does matter. Maya,
you are going to the logis. I'm so excited about
Maya going to the logans. Didn't they try and get
(15:06):
out of it?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
You hate things like that.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I did try, And so tell me, tell me, I am.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Jesse's not going because she's not important enough.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Can you imagine me at the logo?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
We know what I'm dreading it, which sounds really spoiled
and privileged and petulant. But I don't like those kinds
of things. I think to the loggies one time.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Before, but we like you going to those things.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
So I'm very anxious because it goes for six hours.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And I'm not good with that. It goes late and
I'm not good.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
But there's lots of sparkly things to look at. Yeah,
but you've got to sit there.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And when are you going to start choosing your from?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I suppose I should start thinking when is it a
couple of weeks mid August?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I think it's like three weeks.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's on a Sunday.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Can Louders help you choose? Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
The assignment is out louders. It's not my night right, Like,
I'm not a nominee. I don't work in Tellivision.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
A good point.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I am the.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Sidest of side characters, which I'm happy about. But it's
like bloody trying to find a dress for your web.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Do you just wear the same dress I could?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
That's my fallback.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, I don't want to tarnish it by wearing it
to the logis because I really loved wearing it to
your wedding. It doesn't mean it won't wear it again,
but it's like, I don't think I'm gonna like the
logis very much the vibes. I'm feeling anxious about it,
so I don't know. There's something very special and a
cherish that dress and what it means and where it's been.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I want, more than anything anyway for me to wear
the dress that she wore to the.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Sydney Out Loud show will.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Lolli Wrapper because it's like Lizard Queen meets Lolli Rapper.
And the thing is is if me or what she
on the front of the Daily Week and it would
be so fun for me.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And my worst nightmare because it's so weird because I
love clothes and I'm such a show off with my clothes. Right,
My worst nightmare is you know that thing where they
make people, I mean, they won't get me.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Back beyond that thing. And it turns around and one
eight hundred.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Number of people can vote to you, you know, when
you're sitting at home and you're going, hey, the fuck
is that?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Can you even imagine?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Can you imagine how quickly I would vote?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Oh my god, I love it? In a thousand do.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
You promise it? You'll be here on Monday to tell
us all about it.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Then I'm not going to be drunk in.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
A gutter, not Carl, not a five please.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
She may get sweptop in it, and before we know
it shall be on the dance floor and she'll be
living us.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Because you need to go to phone off her louders
need all the gossips.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
The last logis after party, I who.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Do you hook up with? Come on?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
No, I didn't hook.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Up any with anyone, but I was on the dance
phone and I decided it was a big good idea
to show whever you bred in my tattoo which is
on my lower back. Oh okay, and I was wearing
a long dress.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Enough said.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
The LOGI goes to.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Mother Loud. Yeah, three sixteen.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
What you see are just looking at me? Calm a light?
Is brat? Are you brat? I am brat?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And saying how.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Loud is self appointed bratt correspondent.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Jesus, I'm here with some answers about Bratt and about coconuts,
which you also might have seen online. Please take people
back to the beginning and which are quite confusing. Firstly, Kamala,
since Biden stepped down on the weekend and every prominent
Democrat has endorsed Kamala. Her campaign has ignited hearts and
minds and also tiktoks.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Should we acknowledge the pronunciation of her name? Louders are saying,
it's Kamala.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
No, it's not. It's just not. It's Kamala like Karma
is my boyfriend? Kamala?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Right Yep, heavy pronunciation on the first salable. Okay, Karmala
got it anyway. Memes about Kamala have spontaneously gone viral,
and Brat is the main one of the last probably
forty eight hours. Charlie XCX is a pop star who
you may know from these songs.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Scar I was busy thinking about one.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Did you know I've interviewed her. No, she's really cool.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I saw her when she supported Taylor a couple of
concepts ago at the Reputation concert.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Is English. She's very impressive. She has a lot of is.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Her new album was released about a month ago, and
that new album artwork is lime green with the word brat.
That's the name of the album, and the brat looks
like it's slightly out of focus.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Lo res, If you're not entirely tuned in to gen
Z culture, you would think I could have made.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
That logo kind of vibe for that people.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well, it's the kind of thing that gen z love
because it makes no sense and it's the opposite of
perfect and polished. It's just a bit weird and a
bit no one can explain it or why anyway. A
couple of days ago, Charlie XCX posted Kamala is brat
and that ignited a million memes and now the official
Insta account of Kamala Harris's campaign, Kamala HQ, has gone green,
(20:09):
embracing the meme and she's got this sudden cult status
among young people.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
What does bratt mean?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Though?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
What does it mean?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Brad is like I think of like a teenage brat
who's a bit of a rebel and is irritating and
it's not seen as.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
A compliment, right set We just talked about that, and
that's because he's old and he doesn't understand that Brad
is good. He could have reclaimed it.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
So in the way that the sea word is now good.
If you are serving sea word, that's the best thing
you can be, is serving sea word.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Being brat.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
If someone else says that you are brat is.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Also a good thing.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Here is Charlie xx herself explaining what bratt is.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
You're just like that girl who is a little messy
and likes to party.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
And like maybe says some like dumb things sometimes who
like fills.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Herself but then also like maybe has a breakdown but
kind of like parties through.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
It's very honest, it's very blunt, a little bit volatile. Yeah,
like it does dumb things, but like it's brat.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You're brat, so it's cool.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Like it's cool to be brat, even though none of
the things that she just said seem like anything that
you would want to be. It's kind of like being
a hot mess.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Like it's being a good thing anointed by the youth. Yeah,
what it is the youth are saying, we see you,
we acknowledge it, and we accept you to be honest,
Kamala Harris, not brat.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, And that's also I think why it's that right
point exactly now, the coconut thing. So back in May
twenty twenty three, during a speech, Harris stressed the importance
of not only focusing on the younger generation, but also
being clear about the needs of their parents and their grandparents,
and their teachers and their communities. So the context of
the speech was that she was saying, it's not just
(21:54):
about you, it's not just about young people. And she
continued to say that none of us just live in
a silo, and she shared some words of wisdom from
her late mother.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
You think you just fell out of a coconut tree,
you'll exist in the context of all in which you
live and what came before you.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
So you might have heard that a little bit as well,
about context and about everything that came before you. Again,
it's now become something that was weaponized against her at
the time to make fun of her, her laugh and
that coconut tree. It's now been twisted and subverted and
used as isn't she cool? So now people in support
(22:35):
of Kamala Harris not to mock her, are posting coconut
icons and coconut tree emoji.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
So the thing that's interesting about this, right is that
because we could all go well, that's all seems like
fun and games whatever, who cares. Is that in this
American election, forty one million US voters will be gen z.
So what happens on TikTok is very important. And what
you'll see is and this is the same plays out
(23:02):
here it played out during the referendum last year very much.
There's the sort of official campaigning, like the ones you're
going to see on main stream TV, the ones that
are going to be endorsed by the party, all of
those things are not going to be this. But you're
going to see this in really big numbers, which is
very encouraging if you are team Kamala or team Please
(23:22):
not Trump, because TikTok has often been really good for
the right, but these days the right is very Twitter.
So the owner of Twitter, Elon Musk, is one of
Trump's biggest donors. Yeah, that is true, right, and he
endorsed him. He's one of his biggest donors. He has
helped him raise a lot of money in Silicon Valley.
(23:43):
He is a literal Trump campaigner. So that's where those
people are going to live. And if Kamala's people are
going to live on TikTok, that's really good for the
youth vote, because, as I've just said about the gen
Z voters, there's a big demographic shift going on in
who's going to be voting in this election.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I saw Variety critic Alison Herman. She tweeted, Kamala, if
you're reading this do not acknowledge the coconut memes. I repeat,
do not acknowledge the coconut memes. The children will turn on.
I love that was so much interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Tell me why, tell me why that's the way that.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Is Because the second she plays into it and she
capitalizes on it, she's undermined the grassroots, organic nature of
the trend. And so even there were you know, jokes
about her coming on stage or whatever, or calling herself
a brat or what. No, you do not call yourself
a brat.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
That's the mistake I made at the beginning of.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
This show exactly. That's when people are just going to go, oh, well,
it's not funny anymore. And now we've just got a
fifty nine year old woman using our language. We only
get to talk about you like that. What I've found
interesting over the last few days as well. On Monday,
we're talking about Kamala Harris, and we had a bunch
of out louders rightfully point out, stop calling her Kamala,
(24:54):
right the first name. You don't call him Donald, you
didn't call him Joe. Why are we using just the
first name? And I kind of thought about it, and
I actually think they had a point but I was
looking at the social campaign and some of the ads
and I thought, how interesting that they use her first name.
And then I was listening to this analysis about Democrats
and Republicans on a podcast, and it was saying, this
(25:15):
is a big generalization, it's very gendered. But it said,
you vote for the Republican Party when you want a father,
and you vote for the Democrats when you want a mother.
So traditionally, don't you hate that? So traditionally they say
the father would be hardline and stern and a disciplinarian,
and then on the other hand, a mother would be
more nurturing. So you're thinking health education, focus on the
(25:35):
less privileged.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I never hated anything more than I hate that.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I hate that too.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I think that's truth in that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
But I think just the way that I'm watching this
campaign go, there's a viral moment that happened between Harris
and Drew Barrymore on her show where she said.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I've been thinking that we really all need a tremendous
hug in the world right now, but in our country,
we need you to be Mamola of the country. Oh.
I hated that so much, and I think Karmala hated
that too. Yeah, well, Drew's leaning forward and going I
think we all need a Marmala.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Prosecutor with an incredible record, like stop have to threat.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yes, the using of the first name it makes someone
I was thinking about. It's tailor, not swift, it's Harry
not styles like youth culture is all about using the
first name. It's less form, it's more intimate, it's more intimate,
it's more personable, and it's more equal. More than anything,
it's just like we're on the same level. So it's
(26:36):
hard to kind of untangle what is gendered, which is
inevitably it is. It was Hillary, it was Julia, but
also it.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Was Kevin O seven and it was let's go Joe,
Like I know that sometime it's handy to have a
hologan with a first.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Thing that's different about what a campaign slogan is and
the way people refer to them, Like we'll talk about
Angla Merkle, we won't talk about Merkle, but we'll talk
about Putin and you're right, we'll talk about Hillary, we'll
talk about Julia, the way we talk about people in conversations.
So I think when people go Kevin O seven, that
was a great great Line or Joe, like they're deliberately
(27:11):
trying to do the thing that we're talking about, which
is to make them feel more equal, less imposing, more
author less authoritative exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I get that, But in Australia we literally call our
Prime Minister Albo.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, but we don't call him ant. We don't call
him ant like.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It's a silly non it's not a respectful thing like
it's not. We don't call him Alban easy. You know,
I disagree.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I think in Australia that's the biggest compliment you can
give someone implement.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
But if we're saying that we give men formal names
and we give women informal names, that's not.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Always Know, there's something about calling someone by their first
name though, that can be a real I think.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Which is I think what the out louders were trying.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I'm going to call a Harris Heaps because I really
I mean not all the time, Like like anything, you're
going to switch your context depending on how you're talking.
But I think that we really run a risk when
we talk about powerful women if we're all trying to
make them seem less powerful. And she is not the
mom candidate, she is an incredible, Like I have watched
(28:16):
on repeat, apart from the tiktoks, which have been fun,
and I love trying to understand what all that's about.
And then I remember that this isn't for me. I
don't have to. It's like, just let the young people
do their really good campaigning. That's great. But is the
bit where she's in the Kaverna hearing she and there's
a clip that you will have seen if you're on
social media at all lately, where she says just very
(28:37):
plainly and she's talking about obviously reproductive rights in America,
and she says, can you think of any laws that
interfere with what men do with their bodies?
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Can you think of any laws that give government the
power to make decisions about the male body? I'm happy
to answer more specific question male versus female.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
There are.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
Medical procedures them that the government has the power to
make a decision about a man's.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Body, and I thought you were asking about procedures that
are unique to man.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
I'll repeat the question, can you think of any lines
they give the government the power to make decisions about
the male body?
Speaker 5 (29:19):
I'm not a thinking of any right now.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Center and she just pushes that point in the most calm,
strong way, and he is completely speechless. That is the
woman that I want to vote for, which is why
it's really smart. I mean, not that I'm voting. I'm
just I'm saying if I was buying into this, which
is why this is all really smart. The green and
the brat and the dancing. But Kamala or Harris needs
(29:43):
to kind of distance herself from that because she needs
to be seen as a serious, hardcore person because she is.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I don't know, I think that what's refreshing about her
as a candidate and why I think the race has
suddenly become a race is what Trump's done for a
lot of Americans. Has made politics fun. It's not our
kind of fun, in that he's horrible and he gets
up and he abuses people and is racist and sex
(30:10):
appalling and mean.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
But he's made it a TV show.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know, when there were interviews after the assassination attempt
rally where the wife of the man that was killed said,
it was just such a fun day. We were there
with our two daughters. We were having such a fun day.
Now that sounds like a weird thing to say, given
that he gets up and he talks about immigrants, you know,
raping people and stealing your jobs. But he has made
(30:35):
it fun and you've got your red hats. What the
Democrats haven't had and what they didn't have with Hillary
and what they didn't have with Biden in twenty twenty
and now they've got with Kamala is fun.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I agree, but there is a fine line between, which
is why I loved that line too that Jesse brought
up about the experts saying, don't lean into this too hard.
Kama is. Let them have fun with her. Yeah, let
the people who understand that do that. But I don't
think you necessarily want Kamala to be doing the Charlie
XCX Apple downs. It's a bit like what we talked
about last week when we were talking about the t
(31:09):
talk dances and when we I mean, obviously we're not
presidential candidates, but when we decide, like do we lean
into that trend or don't we? And I was saying
it's funny because are you a serious person? Are you not?
I think that probably the absolute sweet spot for somebody
with such a high stakes position as this is to
absolutely lean into like amplifying that with portions of your
(31:29):
campaign and letting people have that fun. But I don't
know that you want to be seen to be trying.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
To It's got to be both right and as usual.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's a very very hard needle for a woman to thread,
and Hillary could never thread it. But I mean, you
can't say that Donald Trump is a serious person. But yeah,
the expectations of Kumala. That's why it's going to be
so interesting to see how these next few months play out.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I have a quick theory. I was in my car
this morning and I was like, you know how Joe
Biden he stepped down and the timing and everything has
worked out bizarrely well. And it's worked out bizarrely well
because he let Trump choose his nominee in JD. Vance
before he said it was good to be Kumala. And
(32:10):
I thought that was a stroke of genius. If I
was writing a television show of the behind the scenes
and I was Biden, I would have chosen that I
was gonna go with Harris and I was gonna step down.
I would let Trump do what Trump did, because I
think Trump would have chosen a completely different vice president
if he.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Knew everyone said that Vance is the choice. If you
think you're gonna win. He thought he was going to
peep against.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Against an old man, so he went, I'm going to
go young. Well, now you're the old man Trump. So
I think that that ended up being a stroke of
absolute genius to let that come in first.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I've already started sounding this alarm, my Monkenitian alarm, in
every meeting we're in. It's the hope that kills you. Friends,
don't get too carried away. Everywhere I look at the
minute on social it's like we're gonna smash them. This
is gonna be a walk over. Let's just let it
play out.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Remember the pant suits we wore to work in. Remember well,
jd Vance is already called Kamala, a childless cat lady.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
I love gen Z your girl, and I'm out here
in these streets.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Do you think you just fell out of a coconut tree?
I can imagine what can be.
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Speaker 2 (33:39):
Katie Larson is a primary school teacher. She's American. That's
not really relevant because a lot of Australian teachers who
could very much relate. Katie needs to tell you about
an email she got from a parent last week.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yesterday, a parent asked me for a class list so
they can invade all the kids to the birthday party.
And I'm invaded to the birthday party too, very nice, said,
no problem. Today the stack of inputations came and I
was like, I guess I'll just put these in the mailboxes. Leader,
no problem. We're outside all day. The last twenty minutes
of the day, I was going to do it. I
was gonna stuff the invitations and the envelopes, stuff them
(34:11):
because they weren't stuffed, and then put them in the
mail axes. I open them up only the first invitation
was written in none of the rest. And that parent
messaged me during the day with the information, and I
thought that was for me because I was invraided. No,
I was expected to read all the invitations. I responded,
I can't read all these invitations out and they sent
them home with the class list. Nope, not what I
(34:32):
can do.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Okatie, so much to unpack here?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Why aren't they using paperless posts? That's my first question,
or candor or something.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Like what you're talking about or texts? Do you actually
do handwritten? Of course? What like? Of course we do,
like you put an invitation in the kids' school bag.
I don't have all the email addresses, and you'll get
a class list with all the emails and stuff'dress some
places don't the private of course I don't like. I'm
just not that organized and I wouldn't know. We literally
(35:01):
just write out six invitations, put them in billy's bags,
say give them to your friends, like like on pieces
of like I'm posted on right, So.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
You buy them in a shop and invited.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Not everybody lives in your world? Do you fax them
to the people?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Then you could get the fairness?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
To me? How you think that that is so old fashioned?
I never even occurred to me to do it any
other way, never even occurred to me anyway. So much
to impact here about Katie, including that if I was
inviting you to a thing, then I would in mate.
But I don't have everybody's phone. I want everybody's phone.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
So everyone has been sending kids party invitations to my
kids that way for maybe fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
That's so weird. I've never even got one. Maybe different,
I've dis missed them.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Different They've probably gone to your spam folder.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
That's why I thought Billy didn't get invited twenty party.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
He's just on the internet.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Am I the asshole? An asshold? And no one's an
asshole here? But it's like, are you living in normal world?
Or am I living in normal world? That's enough topics
we have anyway, Because in case you thought this was
an entirely American story about things that were expected of
this teacher, a quick survey of both the Internet and
out louders for some more that's not in my job description.
(36:15):
Things that teachers got. Let me just give you a
couple of them. An Australian teacher says, I once got
an email to ask to check a lady's son's desk
because it was reported to her that there was a
very dangerous spider inside. I was asked to empty, clean,
photograph the desk back to the mother. Oh god, I.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Know, I imagine that child had his phone on it.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I must have done. Here's another great one. This is
a note that came in the kid's school bag to class.
My son swallowed a watch battery at home. Please use
this fork and clothespin to inspect his poop until we
find the battery. Stop it. Others asked teachers to clean
their child's nose on picture day, to track a student's
menstrual period and mood changes, and to squeeze a student's
(36:59):
head during test taking to relieve anxiety. Oh, somebody else said,
since my child sees a speech pathologist for the half
hour after lunch, I had appreciated if you didn't teach
anything new and in commas until he returns to the classroom.
And there was a parent who requested that their son
be given credit for an essay in spite of not
turning one in because in quotes, he wrote it in
(37:22):
his head. You know a lot of teachers. Does the
birthday invitation story surprise you?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Not at all. There are from my parents, to my brothers,
to most of my aunties and uncles, all teachers I
had out louders message me and say that one kid
had a bit of a digestive issue. And the mother said,
I need you to go and look in the toilet
after he finishes his business, and then rated on the
bristol stool.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Chat. Is that people joke?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Is this a joke? No, this is absolutely true. There
was another high school student who the daughter needed assistance
changing her pads, and look in that kind of instance,
you go, that's a child who needs assistance, right, So
that's actually I.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Think child needs assistance. Yes, I need assistance.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
But that's about resourcing. That's about exactly, that's about a
school and resourcing. I think a few things are going on.
There is a lack of understanding about what teachers do
day to day and what their job is. And it's
not to say I've heard stories about kindergarten kids coming
in who aren't toilet trained and suggesting that that's something
(38:31):
that I said, toilet trained like a dog. But you
know by Chraine that that's something that they should do.
And I wonder if it's to do with the privatization
of our world and that we expect everywhere to be like, well,
A'll take my business elsewhere if you don't give me
exactly what I want, like we treat each other like employees. Yes,
(38:53):
And I think it's also.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
A teacher is not your staff member or your EA.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Who then you can just go, hey, what I need
from you? As invitations. I need blah and I need blah.
And the second thing I think is going on to
give a bit of credit or empathy perhaps to parents,
is that I think parents are so busy. They are
so busy to me, if a child is turning up
to kindergarten and you haven't had an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Parents more busy than they used to be.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yes, yes, you've got two full time working parents, You've
got minimal support, you've got really demanding jobs. I don't
think that they have scope to do everything that they
want to do for their child, and then they're projecting
that onto a teacher like that seems to me.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And also, as you often talk about me, expectations of
what makes a good parent have shifted too. So you've
got both parents who are working, often maybe working more
than one job, maybe working shift work, maybe work. You know,
they're grappling for childcare. And then there's also the sort
of societal demands of like and your kid will be
doing all these extra activities and this will happen, that happen.
There are some kids who really do need more support.
(39:53):
Some of these requests will be because of that, and
parents maybe just don't know where to turn or how
to ask it. But the things like the birthday party
invitation admin that is admir and it's also expecting because
if you kind of go a bit bigger picture on
that that your kid's teacher is responsible for managing their
personal life, if you like, and their social life, because
(40:17):
a lot of parents will tell you that one of
the really stressful things about primary school is that whole
dilemma about do you invite the whole class do you
invite a few kids, and that you might want to
enlist the teacher somehow in managing that.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
You've just reminded me part of the reason and part
of the move towards digital invitations has been so that
for that reason, because handing them out on the day
and who's got one and then they're walking around in
the playground, you're contributing to children feeling very distressed.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I am. I totally understand where it comes from, that
desire for not but I also I kind of think
there is an element of you just do have to
understand that you're not going to get invited.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
To everything if you don't have time to fill out
the invitations. I think you don't have time to have
a party, which is so fine. They don't need a
party every year. But like as you say, it's this
pressure to have the birthday party thing has become completely
out of control. I just think it's like that's also
a lesson you learn as a kid too, is like
(41:18):
this year, mommy and daddy don't have time to celebrate you.
I remember that being a thing twenty first of December.
Often it was like you can two friends over and
we won't cater or.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Just wait till Christmas.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
It's sad, it will come nothing. We're going to the
beach as a family. What that's not a birthday party?
Like often you don't have a birthday party, and it
gives you a sense of you're not the most important person.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
For what you did for Luna's first birthday.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
What did I do for Luna's first birthday? I didn't
do anything because she has to learn and you don't
want to establish at one that I'm gonna have friends
and a cake.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Well that's whole the whole other story, isn't it is
what parties have become, because like hot dogs and a
cake is one thing, right, and that's what my birthday
parties were as a kid. I don't want to sound
like oh off, But it was like if even if
you had friends over, it was hot dogs and a cake,
whereas you got hot dogs.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
My mum put bloody bean sprouts in the sandwiches.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I was sold.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah it was seventeen.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Did you do Lolli bags?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, we did Lolli bags, But the sandwiches she put
like with peanut butter with bean sprouts, and I was like,
I was so ashamed.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
But Instagram has done a lot of terrible things to
birthday parties. And sometimes you see that everybody else is
having maybe catering and a professional cake, and everybody's going
to this amazing performance, and then we're doing this, and
then we're doing that, and everybody gets in that arms race.
But I have to show you that I love you too,
and it has to look great and all those things.
So I very much respect your rejection of that for
(42:41):
the first person, and Jesse I very much respected.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
I think says happy Birthday like vogel.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Bread out louders before we go. We've been talking a
lot about color analysis our new wardrobes. Mayna, this is
very what you're wearing today.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
It's not my colors.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
So today I'm you know, I've broken it, and you
know what, I don't look as good a lot, but
it doesn't do anything for my face.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
I had a male friend that I was talking to
over the weekend who desperately asked me, I need you
to explain color analysis and what I should wear, and
I could tell in an instant I dreamt about color
analysis last night. I have lost to the plot. But
if you want to know more about color analysis, then
we did a special bonus episode all about it that
will explain all the rules. We will link to it
in the show notes in case you missed it.
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Mamma Mia out loud. It's what women are actually talking
about on Wednesday, the twenty fourth of July. I'm Holly
Wayne right, I'm brat.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm not brat. You can't you're not allowed. I read
you're not allowed to self identify. Someone else has to
call you back. Now you've ruined it. That is the
sound of gen Z's everywhere being like, oh cool. She's
ruined a whole movement and probably undermined Kamala Harris's campaign.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Take it back.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
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from a holiday and you're not feeling very still.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Want to move. I was feeling this way today.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
It wasn't feeling very well, and.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I didn't really want to go from a usual run,
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So this is exactly what I mean.
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Speaker 2 (02:11):
On Today's show, why is Irene from Home and Away
beefing with a twenty year old about the gold LOGI?
What is Tim Coconut? Who's in the k hive? And
why is the vice president of the USA being called brat?
Decoding the very TikTok campaign kickoff of Kamala Harris and
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the teacher who staged a rebellion over birthday party invitations
are the expectations we're putting on educators. Just a bit drunk,
but first mea Friedman.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
In case you missed it, the Matildas do not like
their Olympic uniforms.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Stuff not happy.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Mackenzie Arnold and Alana Kennedy posted a TikTok that has
gone viral revealing the outfits that they will wear to
represent Australia.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I don't know if this is real. I think I
saw them and in fact, when it's part of the
whole outfit with the blazer, it doesn't look bad.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It looks I guess this isn't what they're going to
play in it. Yeah, so I know that podcast is
not a visual medium, but we'll post footage on our socials.
But a strappy green and gold dress with a pleated skirt.
It kind of looks like a leotard with vignette of
yellow to green.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I wore a kilt as part of my school uniform,
my current quarter kilt. That's what this is giving me.
It's a three quarter kils.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It's a bit in that ball dressy but with spaghettish.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah. Some of the suggestions have been that it looks
like they might be going to the beach or their
year ten formal. Others have said, as you did, Jesse,
it's giving Australian primary school sports uniforms from the ninety Yeah, yeah,
yeah the plate. Some say it's giving family photos and
your mum's picked everyone matching outfits. And then someone said,
I honestly could not guess the sport based on this uniform.
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My best guess is a combination of swimming, jazzus size
and tennis.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
My Matulder's badwagon is revving as who's getting on, Who's coming?
I'll get on the only problem is because we're all
excited about the Olympics, freakin' Europe because the first Matilda's
game is on Friday, but it's at three a m.
What if we get the first Matilda's game is against Germany.
It's at three am on Friday morning. It's sort of
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before the big official kickoff of the Olympics. I'm more
excited about the Matilda than anything else. But am I
really getting up at three ams?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It's good for our out loud as who are shift
workers or insomniacs, or.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Have perry yes, or have babies.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I'm excited for the swimming. I like the gymnastics, light,
the diving, I like all of it. But I like
just turning on the TV and I don't know what
I'm gonna watch and I end up, you know, seeing
some Polish person do the splits. That's what I enjoy doing.
But I have been deep on TikTok in the Olympic village,
our Olympic TikTok before the Olympics have started. I've been
living in the Olympic village. So here's what I know. Firstly,
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they're allowed to post as much content as they like.
I don't think that's always been the case.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Isn't that interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
So I think in other years there's been like a
no social media policy, and now I think that it's
become so endemic to people's identity, and it's also their hobbies.
Like making TikTok content is a good sort of distraction
in a positive way.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, it's fabulous. They're all going viral. It's very kind
of basic. The room like a hostel, like a bit
like a hostel. The beds are made, the base is cardboard,
and the actual mattress is like foam. And I'm really
concerned because I just don't see how you're a few.
I think Tilly Kerns, who's an Australian Olympian, said, you know,
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she's not sleeping very well. And I'm worried about performing.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Some of these tiktoks and you can turn they're like
if you think about the kind of cushion that you
put on an outdoor chair, like really thin. But then
there's a firm side and a soft side. And I
was watching some of the Matilna's saying they're not sleeping
and they went, oh, we'll turn it over to the
soft side.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And they went, oh, that was the soft.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Now was the soft side? I tell us they're good
bed They need good beds because they need their rest.
I remember when I was growing up, So I was
in year four when the Sydney Olympics happened and we
needed bunk beds two says twins, and we bought themselves
in hand from the Olympic village.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Were who slept in your bed? Do you think?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Is that what?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
It was?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
So long? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, so they were a little bit long, but you
could also get which is the case. He could get extenders,
which some of the Olympians do need they at all
because they're reach to the basketball.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Your parents could have just bought one bed and you
could have slept end to end exactly right.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, I remember them so rividly. Australia's biggest TV personalities
are fighting over a gold LOGI and when I mentioned
this story this morning, I need you to know that
Holly frantically rubbed her hands together. She started bouncing on
the shop. She started just like flapping her arms around.
She was like, tell me more salivating. She physically leaned
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in and I've never seen her more animated about a story.
Why do you think it's number one on our rundown today?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I was like, really it must be First, she started panting,
nothing is more important? When I informed her that the
Robert Irwin and the Lynn McGranger. I'm going to use
the word feud because it excites Holly. Allow me to
explain who she again.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It pushes a button for me from my old tabloid day.
I'm feud shock miracle baby.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I'm just like, is just like all right. Lynn McGranger
is of course home and away fame. She has been by.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
She might be an out loud because Adau is and
they're good mates. They are good mates anyway, Hi, Iilen,
if you're listening.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
There are no villains in this story.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Up for the Gold LOGI I'm team Irene. Just can
I be clear before we start?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Okay, Well, this year we've got Larry Emder, We've got
Julia Morris. These are the people who are up for
the Gold log Sonya Krueger, Tony Armstrong, Andy Lee, Robert
Erwin and Asha Ketty. Larry Emder. We love Larry. He
posted about his nomination and Lynn McGranger saw it. She
thought I leave a little comment and she I'm sorry,
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but old mate Irwin has been on Telly for a
bloody minute. No disrespect intended.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Old mate.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
That's what I said when I heard that, exactly what
you said.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Is Lynn mcgrange nominated for I thought she was nominated.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
She was supporting her friend Larry. Oh, I see so,
Larry replied, are you starting an Internet future? Lynn? Which
I love you, mom, starting on face exactly. I'm just
don't care, Lynn replied, could be, honey, So she just
put some little Lynn. Yeah, she's just there for the tea.
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That's when Julia Morris Robert Erwin's co host from I'm
a Celebrity and also rival for the Gold LOGI, yeah,
she got involved. She's having none of it, she said.
I understand that people aren't exposed to people from other
networks very often. I think Lynn's love for Larry. Everyone
looks at Larry and they're like, Larry deserves it, He's
been around forever. Well, my answer to that is everyone
deserves it on that list. I totally get the sentiment
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where you want to protect and fiercely fight for the
per newer door, but it's not appropriate to call out
somebody else at someone else's expense. And Lynn knows better
than that. She went on to praise Lynn's incredible career,
and she said that she's sure it just comes from
a place of loyalty to good old Larry.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'd like to see Asher enter the chat.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Where's can you imagine?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
She's not even posing for the group photo. She's busy
on sets being brilliant.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Now, it's be clear important to note, and you might
have missed this detail, but Larry did speak to a
celebrity psychic on air, and the celebrity psychic predicted that
there will be no gold for him.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Oh I did How was his poker face?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
He took it. He took it really well, and he
said I have heard that, oh Larry. Now, I love
some awards beef because everyone pretends I don't care, but
everyone really cares. And there has been some commentary about
twenty year old Robert Erwin's nomination. Maya you think Lynn
has a point?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I do, I really do.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Look, I'm sure that Robert is a lovely young man,
and I'm sure maybe he will have a big future
in television, but he has not earned.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Oh do you even know what the criteria is for gold?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Logo? I can't work.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
No, I've got it. I looked it up. Because that's
my job is to look it up. The Gold Logi
is an award for the most popular personality on Australian television.
Do you know how many Instagram followers Robert Owen has
six million?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Are we basing it on Instagram?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I just think it's a data point.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It is a data point.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
What's her beef with Robert?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I don't have a beef with him. I think his
time will come. I just don't think he's worthy yet.
It hasn't earned his stripe.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's not a lifetime Achievement award.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
It is a little bit. It's kind of iconic.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
This is the thing is that what does the Gold
Logi mean? And the thing that's really interesting about the
logis is in Australia, we half think the logis is
a joke and half get really indignant in any way. Right,
So we spend a lot of the time like sort
of leaning into a cultural cringe about the logos. Oh,
the dresses, it's not like America. How embarrassing, blah blah,
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and then half just like, how dare they outrageous?
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So do you think'ski me?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Gold? Definitely?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
My thing about Robert Erwin?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Right not?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And Ley did you know that Robert Irwin won LOGI
eleven years ago. He's actually won a Logi Award before.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
How was he even born that long time?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
He was on a TV series with his mum and
sister and he was nominated for most Popular New Male Talent.
That man has been on television for twenty years. And
I think that he might win the Gold.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So don't know. I want to win the Gold.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Oh, I want She's my top.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Here's the thing. Does Ashley's iconic want to win it before?
She has won it before? And the thing is is
I remember because I worked at TV week for a
while one hundred years ago and Logis was a big
deal then. The people who were always winning Gold in
those days were Lisa McCune and Rove.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
He won it like three times, yep.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And it was that era. And so really it reflects
as you've said, that's the criteria says this exactly. It
reflects a moment. It reflects a moment in time. And
who is everybody looking at on TV right now?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Now?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Obviously in that time TV has changed so much. Yeah,
so fragmented. Everybody isn't really looking at anybody. Everybody is
looking in all kinds of different directions. So it does
come down to things like Instagram followers. And the thing
about Robert Irwin is he maybe twenty, but he definitely
has riz. He definitely has charisma, enthusiasm, he leans in
he wants.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
But my question about Instagram followers in the case of
Robert Irwin, I don't think his Instagram followers are a
result of his TV. I think his TV is a
result of his Instagram followers. Yes, so I don't think
the people who are following him on Instagram have probably
ever even seen him on TV. And my other view
would be, if someone has to win from that show
I'm a Celebrity, Get Me out of Here, which I
think is a great show, I would prefer it to
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be Julia Morris, who I don't think has ever won.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And she's said yes, but I think that a war
was like, we've got this sense and she needs to
be fair. Yes, And it's not really how awards work.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I think by fair people mean the person I want
to win.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yes, that would be fair exactly, But I would if
I was Robert Irwin. I was saying this and he's
been so gracious because of course he is, but I
would be thinking I don't think the average Australian quite
knows how prolific Robert Irwin is. That he's been doing
shows on the Discovery Channel. He was on Jimmy Fallon
in Australia. He has done more television show.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I realize that I don't think people do.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
So they think that he's just one. I'm a celebrity
for five minutes. Yes, there's a reason why he is
genuinely very talented and why he's so good at what.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Is he good on that show? I haven't watched him.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, he's brilliant and he's controversy free.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Why is he so so far? He's only twenty. There's
plenty of time for his controversies to unfold. Not that
I wish him ill. The dynamic lake between him and Julia.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Fantastic and Julia. I mean, Julia has done it and
she's industry pro. But he's very likable, he's very charismatic,
He's very good.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I have a different Logi's adjacent issue. I need to
address are you too going? Because Strife TV show based
on MEA's memoir that you both were me as ep
of your producer of you wrote an episode, et cetera. Jesse,
are you going? And my adjacent question to that, obviously
is what are you wearring? But my other question is
I was just talking about how people like to diss
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the logis, but also they really care. Did you really
care that it got nominated for LOGI would you have
been upset if it had not been?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I didn't even consider it being I forgot about the logo.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I really thought, yeah, I thought of that just sort
of came around and then I heard we'd been nominated.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I was pretty happy that we were nominated.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
See that's the thing about awards, right, we can diss them,
but to be recognized by your peers and within an industry,
it's great for publicity, it's great for your bio. That
you're right that nominated. Show like that all does matter. Maya,
you are going to the logis. I'm so excited about
Maya going to the logans. Didn't they try and get
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out of it?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
You hate things like that.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I did try, And so tell me, tell me, I am.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Jesse's not going because she's not important enough.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Can you imagine me at the logo?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
We know what I'm dreading it, which sounds really spoiled
and privileged and petulant. But I don't like those kinds
of things. I think to the loggies one time.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Before, but we like you going to those things.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
So I'm very anxious because it goes for six hours.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And I'm not good with that. It goes late and
I'm not good.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
But there's lots of sparkly things to look at. Yeah,
but you've got to sit there.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And when are you going to start choosing your from?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I suppose I should start thinking when is it a
couple of weeks mid August?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I think it's like three weeks.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's on a Sunday.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Can Louders help you choose? Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:51):
The assignment is out louders. It's not my night right, Like,
I'm not a nominee. I don't work in Tellivision.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
A good point.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I am the.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Sidest of side characters, which I'm happy about. But it's
like bloody trying to find a dress for your web.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Do you just wear the same dress I could?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
That's my fallback.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, I don't want to tarnish it by wearing it
to the logis because I really loved wearing it to
your wedding. It doesn't mean it won't wear it again,
but it's like, I don't think I'm gonna like the
logis very much the vibes. I'm feeling anxious about it,
so I don't know. There's something very special and a
cherish that dress and what it means and where it's been.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I want, more than anything anyway for me to wear
the dress that she wore to the.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Sydney Out Loud show will.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Lolli Wrapper because it's like Lizard Queen meets Lolli Rapper.
And the thing is is if me or what she
on the front of the Daily Week and it would
be so fun for me.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And my worst nightmare because it's so weird because I
love clothes and I'm such a show off with my clothes. Right,
My worst nightmare is you know that thing where they
make people, I mean, they won't get me.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Back beyond that thing. And it turns around and one
eight hundred.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Number of people can vote to you, you know, when
you're sitting at home and you're going, hey, the fuck
is that?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Can you even imagine?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Can you imagine how quickly I would vote?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Oh my god, I love it? In a thousand do.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
You promise it? You'll be here on Monday to tell
us all about it.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Then I'm not going to be drunk in.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
A gutter, not Carl, not a five please.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
She may get sweptop in it, and before we know
it shall be on the dance floor and she'll be
living us.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Because you need to go to phone off her louders
need all the gossips.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
The last logis after party, I who.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Do you hook up with? Come on?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
No, I didn't hook.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Up any with anyone, but I was on the dance
phone and I decided it was a big good idea
to show whever you bred in my tattoo which is
on my lower back. Oh okay, and I was wearing
a long dress.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Enough said.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
The LOGI goes to.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Mother Loud. Yeah, three sixteen.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
What you see are just looking at me? Calm a light?
Is brat? Are you brat? I am brat?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And saying how.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Loud is self appointed bratt correspondent.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Jesus, I'm here with some answers about Bratt and about coconuts,
which you also might have seen online. Please take people
back to the beginning and which are quite confusing. Firstly, Kamala,
since Biden stepped down on the weekend and every prominent
Democrat has endorsed Kamala. Her campaign has ignited hearts and
minds and also tiktoks.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Should we acknowledge the pronunciation of her name? Louders are saying,
it's Kamala.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
No, it's not. It's just not. It's Kamala like Karma
is my boyfriend? Kamala?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Right Yep, heavy pronunciation on the first salable. Okay, Karmala
got it anyway. Memes about Kamala have spontaneously gone viral,
and Brat is the main one of the last probably
forty eight hours. Charlie XCX is a pop star who
you may know from these songs.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Scar I was busy thinking about one.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Did you know I've interviewed her. No, she's really cool.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I saw her when she supported Taylor a couple of
concepts ago at the Reputation concert.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Is English. She's very impressive. She has a lot of is.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Her new album was released about a month ago, and
that new album artwork is lime green with the word brat.
That's the name of the album, and the brat looks
like it's slightly out of focus.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Lo res, If you're not entirely tuned in to gen
Z culture, you would think I could have made.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
That logo kind of vibe for that people.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well, it's the kind of thing that gen z love
because it makes no sense and it's the opposite of
perfect and polished. It's just a bit weird and a
bit no one can explain it or why anyway. A
couple of days ago, Charlie XCX posted Kamala is brat
and that ignited a million memes and now the official
Insta account of Kamala Harris's campaign, Kamala HQ, has gone green,
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embracing the meme and she's got this sudden cult status
among young people.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
What does bratt mean?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Though?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
What does it mean?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Brad is like I think of like a teenage brat
who's a bit of a rebel and is irritating and
it's not seen as.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
A compliment, right set We just talked about that, and
that's because he's old and he doesn't understand that Brad
is good. He could have reclaimed it.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
So in the way that the sea word is now good.
If you are serving sea word, that's the best thing
you can be, is serving sea word.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Being brat.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
If someone else says that you are brat is.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Also a good thing.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Here is Charlie xx herself explaining what bratt is.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
You're just like that girl who is a little messy
and likes to party.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
And like maybe says some like dumb things sometimes who
like fills.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Herself but then also like maybe has a breakdown but
kind of like parties through.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
It's very honest, it's very blunt, a little bit volatile. Yeah,
like it does dumb things, but like it's brat.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You're brat, so it's cool.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Like it's cool to be brat, even though none of
the things that she just said seem like anything that
you would want to be. It's kind of like being
a hot mess.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Like it's being a good thing anointed by the youth. Yeah,
what it is the youth are saying, we see you,
we acknowledge it, and we accept you to be honest,
Kamala Harris, not brat.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, And that's also I think why it's that right
point exactly now, the coconut thing. So back in May
twenty twenty three, during a speech, Harris stressed the importance
of not only focusing on the younger generation, but also
being clear about the needs of their parents and their grandparents,
and their teachers and their communities. So the context of
the speech was that she was saying, it's not just
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about you, it's not just about young people. And she
continued to say that none of us just live in
a silo, and she shared some words of wisdom from
her late mother.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
You think you just fell out of a coconut tree,
you'll exist in the context of all in which you
live and what came before you.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
So you might have heard that a little bit as well,
about context and about everything that came before you. Again,
it's now become something that was weaponized against her at
the time to make fun of her, her laugh and
that coconut tree. It's now been twisted and subverted and
used as isn't she cool? So now people in support
(22:35):
of Kamala Harris not to mock her, are posting coconut
icons and coconut tree emoji.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
So the thing that's interesting about this, right is that
because we could all go well, that's all seems like
fun and games whatever, who cares. Is that in this
American election, forty one million US voters will be gen z.
So what happens on TikTok is very important. And what
you'll see is and this is the same plays out
(23:02):
here it played out during the referendum last year very much.
There's the sort of official campaigning, like the ones you're
going to see on main stream TV, the ones that
are going to be endorsed by the party, all of
those things are not going to be this. But you're
going to see this in really big numbers, which is
very encouraging if you are team Kamala or team Please
(23:22):
not Trump, because TikTok has often been really good for
the right, but these days the right is very Twitter.
So the owner of Twitter, Elon Musk, is one of
Trump's biggest donors. Yeah, that is true, right, and he
endorsed him. He's one of his biggest donors. He has
helped him raise a lot of money in Silicon Valley.
(23:43):
He is a literal Trump campaigner. So that's where those
people are going to live. And if Kamala's people are
going to live on TikTok, that's really good for the
youth vote, because, as I've just said about the gen
Z voters, there's a big demographic shift going on in
who's going to be voting in this election.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I saw Variety critic Alison Herman. She tweeted, Kamala, if
you're reading this do not acknowledge the coconut memes. I repeat,
do not acknowledge the coconut memes. The children will turn on.
I love that was so much interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Tell me why, tell me why that's the way that.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Is Because the second she plays into it and she
capitalizes on it, she's undermined the grassroots, organic nature of
the trend. And so even there were you know, jokes
about her coming on stage or whatever, or calling herself
a brat or what. No, you do not call yourself
a brat.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
That's the mistake I made at the beginning of.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
This show exactly. That's when people are just going to go, oh, well,
it's not funny anymore. And now we've just got a
fifty nine year old woman using our language. We only
get to talk about you like that. What I've found
interesting over the last few days as well. On Monday,
we're talking about Kamala Harris, and we had a bunch
of out louders rightfully point out, stop calling her Kamala,
(24:54):
right the first name. You don't call him Donald, you
didn't call him Joe. Why are we using just the
first name? And I kind of thought about it, and
I actually think they had a point but I was
looking at the social campaign and some of the ads
and I thought, how interesting that they use her first name.
And then I was listening to this analysis about Democrats
and Republicans on a podcast, and it was saying, this
(25:15):
is a big generalization, it's very gendered. But it said,
you vote for the Republican Party when you want a father,
and you vote for the Democrats when you want a mother.
So traditionally, don't you hate that? So traditionally they say
the father would be hardline and stern and a disciplinarian,
and then on the other hand, a mother would be
more nurturing. So you're thinking health education, focus on the
(25:35):
less privileged.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I never hated anything more than I hate that.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I hate that too.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I think that's truth in that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
But I think just the way that I'm watching this
campaign go, there's a viral moment that happened between Harris
and Drew Barrymore on her show where she said.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I've been thinking that we really all need a tremendous
hug in the world right now, but in our country,
we need you to be Mamola of the country. Oh.
I hated that so much, and I think Karmala hated
that too. Yeah, well, Drew's leaning forward and going I
think we all need a Marmala.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Prosecutor with an incredible record, like stop have to threat.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yes, the using of the first name it makes someone
I was thinking about. It's tailor, not swift, it's Harry
not styles like youth culture is all about using the
first name. It's less form, it's more intimate, it's more intimate,
it's more personable, and it's more equal. More than anything,
it's just like we're on the same level. So it's
(26:36):
hard to kind of untangle what is gendered, which is
inevitably it is. It was Hillary, it was Julia, but
also it.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Was Kevin O seven and it was let's go Joe,
Like I know that sometime it's handy to have a
hologan with a first.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Thing that's different about what a campaign slogan is and
the way people refer to them, Like we'll talk about
Angla Merkle, we won't talk about Merkle, but we'll talk
about Putin and you're right, we'll talk about Hillary, we'll
talk about Julia, the way we talk about people in conversations.
So I think when people go Kevin O seven, that
was a great great Line or Joe, like they're deliberately
(27:11):
trying to do the thing that we're talking about, which
is to make them feel more equal, less imposing, more
author less authoritative exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I get that, But in Australia we literally call our
Prime Minister Albo.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, but we don't call him ant. We don't call
him ant like.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It's a silly non it's not a respectful thing like
it's not. We don't call him Alban easy. You know,
I disagree.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I think in Australia that's the biggest compliment you can
give someone implement.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
But if we're saying that we give men formal names
and we give women informal names, that's not.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Always Know, there's something about calling someone by their first
name though, that can be a real I think.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Which is I think what the out louders were trying.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I'm going to call a Harris Heaps because I really
I mean not all the time, Like like anything, you're
going to switch your context depending on how you're talking.
But I think that we really run a risk when
we talk about powerful women if we're all trying to
make them seem less powerful. And she is not the
mom candidate, she is an incredible, Like I have watched
(28:16):
on repeat, apart from the tiktoks, which have been fun,
and I love trying to understand what all that's about.
And then I remember that this isn't for me. I
don't have to. It's like, just let the young people
do their really good campaigning. That's great. But is the
bit where she's in the Kaverna hearing she and there's
a clip that you will have seen if you're on
social media at all lately, where she says just very
(28:37):
plainly and she's talking about obviously reproductive rights in America,
and she says, can you think of any laws that
interfere with what men do with their bodies?
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Can you think of any laws that give government the
power to make decisions about the male body? I'm happy
to answer more specific question male versus female.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
There are.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
Medical procedures them that the government has the power to
make a decision about a man's.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Body, and I thought you were asking about procedures that
are unique to man.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
I'll repeat the question, can you think of any lines
they give the government the power to make decisions about
the male body?
Speaker 5 (29:19):
I'm not a thinking of any right now.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Center and she just pushes that point in the most calm,
strong way, and he is completely speechless. That is the
woman that I want to vote for, which is why
it's really smart. I mean, not that I'm voting. I'm
just I'm saying if I was buying into this, which
is why this is all really smart. The green and
the brat and the dancing. But Kamala or Harris needs
(29:43):
to kind of distance herself from that because she needs
to be seen as a serious, hardcore person because she is.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I don't know, I think that what's refreshing about her
as a candidate and why I think the race has
suddenly become a race is what Trump's done for a
lot of Americans. Has made politics fun. It's not our
kind of fun, in that he's horrible and he gets
up and he abuses people and is racist and sex
(30:10):
appalling and mean.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
But he's made it a TV show.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know, when there were interviews after the assassination attempt
rally where the wife of the man that was killed said,
it was just such a fun day. We were there
with our two daughters. We were having such a fun day.
Now that sounds like a weird thing to say, given
that he gets up and he talks about immigrants, you know,
raping people and stealing your jobs. But he has made
(30:35):
it fun and you've got your red hats. What the
Democrats haven't had and what they didn't have with Hillary
and what they didn't have with Biden in twenty twenty
and now they've got with Kamala is fun.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I agree, but there is a fine line between, which
is why I loved that line too that Jesse brought
up about the experts saying, don't lean into this too hard.
Kama is. Let them have fun with her. Yeah, let
the people who understand that do that. But I don't
think you necessarily want Kamala to be doing the Charlie
XCX Apple downs. It's a bit like what we talked
about last week when we were talking about the t
(31:09):
talk dances and when we I mean, obviously we're not
presidential candidates, but when we decide, like do we lean
into that trend or don't we? And I was saying
it's funny because are you a serious person? Are you not?
I think that probably the absolute sweet spot for somebody
with such a high stakes position as this is to
absolutely lean into like amplifying that with portions of your
(31:29):
campaign and letting people have that fun. But I don't
know that you want to be seen to be trying.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
To It's got to be both right and as usual.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's a very very hard needle for a woman to thread,
and Hillary could never thread it. But I mean, you
can't say that Donald Trump is a serious person. But yeah,
the expectations of Kumala. That's why it's going to be
so interesting to see how these next few months play out.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I have a quick theory. I was in my car
this morning and I was like, you know how Joe
Biden he stepped down and the timing and everything has
worked out bizarrely well. And it's worked out bizarrely well
because he let Trump choose his nominee in JD. Vance
before he said it was good to be Kumala. And
(32:10):
I thought that was a stroke of genius. If I
was writing a television show of the behind the scenes
and I was Biden, I would have chosen that I
was gonna go with Harris and I was gonna step down.
I would let Trump do what Trump did, because I
think Trump would have chosen a completely different vice president
if he.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Knew everyone said that Vance is the choice. If you
think you're gonna win. He thought he was going to
peep against.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Against an old man, so he went, I'm going to
go young. Well, now you're the old man Trump. So
I think that that ended up being a stroke of
absolute genius to let that come in first.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I've already started sounding this alarm, my Monkenitian alarm, in
every meeting we're in. It's the hope that kills you. Friends,
don't get too carried away. Everywhere I look at the
minute on social it's like we're gonna smash them. This
is gonna be a walk over. Let's just let it
play out.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Remember the pant suits we wore to work in. Remember well,
jd Vance is already called Kamala, a childless cat lady.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
I love gen Z your girl, and I'm out here
in these streets.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Do you think you just fell out of a coconut tree?
I can imagine what can be.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
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Speaker 2 (33:39):
Katie Larson is a primary school teacher. She's American. That's
not really relevant because a lot of Australian teachers who
could very much relate. Katie needs to tell you about
an email she got from a parent last week.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yesterday, a parent asked me for a class list so
they can invade all the kids to the birthday party.
And I'm invaded to the birthday party too, very nice, said,
no problem. Today the stack of inputations came and I
was like, I guess I'll just put these in the mailboxes. Leader,
no problem. We're outside all day. The last twenty minutes
of the day, I was going to do it. I
was gonna stuff the invitations and the envelopes, stuff them
(34:11):
because they weren't stuffed, and then put them in the
mail axes. I open them up only the first invitation
was written in none of the rest. And that parent
messaged me during the day with the information, and I
thought that was for me because I was invraided. No,
I was expected to read all the invitations. I responded,
I can't read all these invitations out and they sent
them home with the class list. Nope, not what I
(34:32):
can do.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Okatie, so much to unpack here?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Why aren't they using paperless posts? That's my first question,
or candor or something.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Like what you're talking about or texts? Do you actually
do handwritten? Of course? What like? Of course we do,
like you put an invitation in the kids' school bag.
I don't have all the email addresses, and you'll get
a class list with all the emails and stuff'dress some
places don't the private of course I don't like. I'm
just not that organized and I wouldn't know. We literally
(35:01):
just write out six invitations, put them in billy's bags,
say give them to your friends, like like on pieces
of like I'm posted on right, So.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
You buy them in a shop and invited.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Not everybody lives in your world? Do you fax them
to the people?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Then you could get the fairness?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
To me? How you think that that is so old fashioned?
I never even occurred to me to do it any
other way, never even occurred to me anyway. So much
to impact here about Katie, including that if I was
inviting you to a thing, then I would in mate.
But I don't have everybody's phone. I want everybody's phone.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
So everyone has been sending kids party invitations to my
kids that way for maybe fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
That's so weird. I've never even got one. Maybe different,
I've dis missed them.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Different They've probably gone to your spam folder.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
That's why I thought Billy didn't get invited twenty party.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
He's just on the internet.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Am I the asshole? An asshold? And no one's an
asshole here? But it's like, are you living in normal world?
Or am I living in normal world? That's enough topics
we have anyway, Because in case you thought this was
an entirely American story about things that were expected of
this teacher, a quick survey of both the Internet and
out louders for some more that's not in my job description.
(36:15):
Things that teachers got. Let me just give you a
couple of them. An Australian teacher says, I once got
an email to ask to check a lady's son's desk
because it was reported to her that there was a
very dangerous spider inside. I was asked to empty, clean,
photograph the desk back to the mother. Oh god, I.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Know, I imagine that child had his phone on it.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I must have done. Here's another great one. This is
a note that came in the kid's school bag to class.
My son swallowed a watch battery at home. Please use
this fork and clothespin to inspect his poop until we
find the battery. Stop it. Others asked teachers to clean
their child's nose on picture day, to track a student's
menstrual period and mood changes, and to squeeze a student's
(36:59):
head during test taking to relieve anxiety. Oh, somebody else said,
since my child sees a speech pathologist for the half
hour after lunch, I had appreciated if you didn't teach
anything new and in commas until he returns to the classroom.
And there was a parent who requested that their son
be given credit for an essay in spite of not
turning one in because in quotes, he wrote it in
(37:22):
his head. You know a lot of teachers. Does the
birthday invitation story surprise you?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Not at all. There are from my parents, to my brothers,
to most of my aunties and uncles, all teachers I
had out louders message me and say that one kid
had a bit of a digestive issue. And the mother said,
I need you to go and look in the toilet
after he finishes his business, and then rated on the
bristol stool.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Chat. Is that people joke?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Is this a joke? No, this is absolutely true. There
was another high school student who the daughter needed assistance
changing her pads, and look in that kind of instance,
you go, that's a child who needs assistance, right, So
that's actually I.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Think child needs assistance. Yes, I need assistance.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
But that's about resourcing. That's about exactly, that's about a
school and resourcing. I think a few things are going on.
There is a lack of understanding about what teachers do
day to day and what their job is. And it's
not to say I've heard stories about kindergarten kids coming
in who aren't toilet trained and suggesting that that's something
(38:31):
that I said, toilet trained like a dog. But you
know by Chraine that that's something that they should do.
And I wonder if it's to do with the privatization
of our world and that we expect everywhere to be like, well,
A'll take my business elsewhere if you don't give me
exactly what I want, like we treat each other like employees. Yes,
(38:53):
And I think it's also.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
A teacher is not your staff member or your EA.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Who then you can just go, hey, what I need
from you? As invitations. I need blah and I need blah.
And the second thing I think is going on to
give a bit of credit or empathy perhaps to parents,
is that I think parents are so busy. They are
so busy to me, if a child is turning up
to kindergarten and you haven't had an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Parents more busy than they used to be.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yes, yes, you've got two full time working parents, You've
got minimal support, you've got really demanding jobs. I don't
think that they have scope to do everything that they
want to do for their child, and then they're projecting
that onto a teacher like that seems to me.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And also, as you often talk about me, expectations of
what makes a good parent have shifted too. So you've
got both parents who are working, often maybe working more
than one job, maybe working shift work, maybe work. You know,
they're grappling for childcare. And then there's also the sort
of societal demands of like and your kid will be
doing all these extra activities and this will happen, that happen.
There are some kids who really do need more support.
(39:53):
Some of these requests will be because of that, and
parents maybe just don't know where to turn or how
to ask it. But the things like the birthday party
invitation admin that is admir and it's also expecting because
if you kind of go a bit bigger picture on
that that your kid's teacher is responsible for managing their
personal life, if you like, and their social life, because
(40:17):
a lot of parents will tell you that one of
the really stressful things about primary school is that whole
dilemma about do you invite the whole class do you
invite a few kids, and that you might want to
enlist the teacher somehow in managing that.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
You've just reminded me part of the reason and part
of the move towards digital invitations has been so that
for that reason, because handing them out on the day
and who's got one and then they're walking around in
the playground, you're contributing to children feeling very distressed.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I am. I totally understand where it comes from, that
desire for not but I also I kind of think
there is an element of you just do have to
understand that you're not going to get invited.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
To everything if you don't have time to fill out
the invitations. I think you don't have time to have
a party, which is so fine. They don't need a
party every year. But like as you say, it's this
pressure to have the birthday party thing has become completely
out of control. I just think it's like that's also
a lesson you learn as a kid too, is like
(41:18):
this year, mommy and daddy don't have time to celebrate you.
I remember that being a thing twenty first of December.
Often it was like you can two friends over and
we won't cater or.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Just wait till Christmas.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
It's sad, it will come nothing. We're going to the
beach as a family. What that's not a birthday party?
Like often you don't have a birthday party, and it
gives you a sense of you're not the most important person.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
For what you did for Luna's first birthday.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
What did I do for Luna's first birthday? I didn't
do anything because she has to learn and you don't
want to establish at one that I'm gonna have friends
and a cake.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Well that's whole the whole other story, isn't it is
what parties have become, because like hot dogs and a
cake is one thing, right, and that's what my birthday
parties were as a kid. I don't want to sound
like oh off, But it was like if even if
you had friends over, it was hot dogs and a cake,
whereas you got hot dogs.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
My mum put bloody bean sprouts in the sandwiches.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I was sold.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah it was seventeen.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Did you do Lolli bags?
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, we did Lolli bags, But the sandwiches she put
like with peanut butter with bean sprouts, and I was like,
I was so ashamed.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
But Instagram has done a lot of terrible things to
birthday parties. And sometimes you see that everybody else is
having maybe catering and a professional cake, and everybody's going
to this amazing performance, and then we're doing this, and
then we're doing that, and everybody gets in that arms race.
But I have to show you that I love you too,
and it has to look great and all those things.
So I very much respect your rejection of that for
(42:41):
the first person, and Jesse I very much respected.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
I think says happy Birthday like vogel.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Bread out louders before we go. We've been talking a
lot about color analysis our new wardrobes. Mayna, this is
very what you're wearing today.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
It's not my colors.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
So today I'm you know, I've broken it, and you
know what, I don't look as good a lot, but
it doesn't do anything for my face.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
I had a male friend that I was talking to
over the weekend who desperately asked me, I need you
to explain color analysis and what I should wear, and
I could tell in an instant I dreamt about color
analysis last night. I have lost to the plot. But
if you want to know more about color analysis, then
we did a special bonus episode all about it that
will explain all the rules. We will link to it
in the show notes in case you missed it.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
I want to just thank all of you out loud
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Night truck drivers we had quite a few of those.
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really appreciate it made our week and thank you to
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