Carl Tart from SNL on His Clippers Love, Jersey Collection, PJ, Zu and more

Clippers Talk with Adam Auslund as Carl Tart who's now a writer for SNL joins the show and talks about his passion for Clippers basketball, Paul George leaving, his extensive jersey collection and more. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in to Clippers Talk. I'm out a Moslin. Second
show so far this week. If you missed Monday's show,
we had ome Young Masouk on from ESPN talk with
him about the Clippers offseason. He wrote a fabulous article
regarding coach lou Jeff Van Gundy and Kawhi Leonard gave
updates on the Clippers and where they're at heading into
this season. As we're just about a week and a

(00:22):
half away from media Day, I'll be there join the
show though. Right now here on Clippers Talk is an actor,
a comedian. You've seen him on Arrested Development, Brooklyn nine
to nine, The Grand Crew, of Course, and recently An
Old Dad's on Netflix Underrated, and now he's on the
writing staff for the fiftieth season of Saturday Night Live

(00:43):
Live from New York. It's Carl Tart here on Clippers Talk. Carl,
my friend, how we doing?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Wow? We Adam? Can you believe it? Can you believe?
Can you believe me? In New York?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well, I can believe you are. I wouldn't be you know,
they wouldn't let me in. I am a extremely proud
of the fact that this happened. This week. We were
already talking about you coming on the show, but the
news coinciding with this makes it even more special for
you coming on today. So also, if you need to
get to Carl, he's not on Twitter at least you
got to find his burner at damnit Carl, though on

(01:16):
the Gram he and his fifty thousand followers. You can
get to him on there. But Carl, I want to
talk Clippers a lot, and we'll talk about the new
jerseys and some of the past jerseys. But first let's
talk about show business a little bit with you. I
want to get the rundown on your resume. What has
occurred was Saturday Night Live bringing you in, not just
for any season, the fiftieth season. This is kind of

(01:38):
a big deal and it's just your second day. That's
my understanding of it.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah. Man, honestly, it's a dream come true.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I've been wanting to do this since I was a kid,
and so to be here is very exciting. I'm very,
very grateful to be here. I'm excited to be here
this season. I think it's gonna be pretty wild. He's
gonna be a wild He's gonna be some cool people come.
They just released the first five episodes right now. So
some really cool people coming in. Your favorite artist, Chapel

(02:06):
Ronal be here and uh.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Okay, uh you wrote for Mad TV in the past,
I have You've had a lot of writing credentials on
your im to be as I was stalking that earlier,
how do you go about the interview process to get
on with SNL? Were you talking with Lauren Michaels, Like,
who's calling you?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I did talk to Lauren Michaels.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
He's a very nice guy, he so, So what happened
was I I auditioned to be in the cast, of course,
and that's been percolating for a couple of years, but
I've been pretty silent about it. And we settled on
the writer's room just due to some personelity personnel stuff,
and it just felt like a good opportunity to be

(02:48):
here this season. And they felt pretty confident in me,
and I want to make sure I'm allowing them to
feel that way. I want to make sure I'm doing
a good job here. So uh, I was just excited
to be here.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Man.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
You know, we're coming off a strike, bro, So a
job is a job. And I've never lived in New York.
I've always been West Coast in South my whole life,
so never lived over here.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
So I just like, why not have a little change
for a few months.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Right, Have Eddie legends contacted you congratulating you on the gig?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
No legends yet, Well, I mean some yeah legends. Some
of my friends who are legends, you know, Paul Cheers
of the world, the phil Lords of the world, Yes, sir,
All the Clipper fans, all the Clipper fan legends have
hit me up.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
You know what you talk about, this is a dream
of yours. When did you really become a super fan
with Saturday Night Live? Like, what was your era of
Saturday Night Live growing up that you love the most?

Speaker 3 (03:47):
I mean, I got to say when I was in
high school, so between like the old four to eight years,
the years where the women were kind of running the show,
the Amy Poehler and Kristen wigg and the end of
Tina Fase era, the Maya Rudolph era, like that around
that time where it was just really dope.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
It was great sketches every week and everything.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
I think that's that's kind of everybody's Goldie years though,
But I had watched it since I was the young kid,
so I had watched it since the late nineties, and
but you know, I didn't understand everything because I was
really young. But once I got to high school, and
you know, I never missed an episode I was. I
didn't I didn't go out too often. I was at
home watching SNL and Mad TV and stuff. So having

(04:26):
that Saturday night playing.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
But now you've already written for Mad TV. You got
SNL now coming up.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Like I'm one of very few people who've done both.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Not easy coke and PEPSI approved here, Carl Tart doesn't
matter what side you're on. He's helping run things now
in the writer's room. Who are some of your favorite
guest hosts and some of the legends that you've appreciated
maybe from back of the day if you're a Bill
Murray guy or Chevy Chase or dan Aykroyd and then
later on they come back and they're the Five Timers

(04:59):
Club and all that.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
All that, so I always I never missed the athlete
episodes because that's always fun. So when Barkley's on or
when Peyton Manning is on, I think Peyton Manning is
one of my favorite hosts. And then the people who
are like good comedy people. The Chappelle episode is always great, Uh,
people who because because the host has a lot of
say in how the sketches are picked, and so to

(05:20):
have a person on who has that funny bone top.
But like also Tom Hanks and Alec Baldwin, people like
that who are always great.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Uh Christopher Walkin My guy.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, yeah, that was That's a great sketch. More cow
Bell and everything of those historic episodes.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Man, I'm excited to be to be in the family.
I'm excited to when they when they come out with
the book. I'm excited to have my name in there.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Hell yeah. Carl Tard Clippers super fan, SNL super fan
now employed by Saturday Night Live. He'll be a writer
for season fifty. Here. You know about this a little
bit from your days the Mad TV. But what type
of pressure cooker is it? The week leading up to
Saturday where you know you have a set deadline every week.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well, here's the difference between this and Man TV.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Mat TV was not live. Man TV was all pre taped.
So you get to do the sketches again. You get
to and let me just tell you this, I've only
been here for one day. I did my little orientation yesterday,
and I'm still getting the lay of the land, but
I can already tell Like during my orientation, during the
tour through the building, I was like, Oh, this is
about to be wild, Like this is about to be

(06:26):
something unlike anything I've ever experienced. Like this is like
old school show business and it still ran very old school,
which is which is the kind of the coolest part
about it. Like the Q cards are still handwritten by
these guys, and like they don't use prompters and they
don't use like it's it's the studio that it's in
is ex extremely old, you know, it's it it was

(06:47):
where like the Tonight Show was back in like the
fifties or something.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's like, it's it's really cool. There's like elevators in the.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Building that don't work anymore, go to go to different
floors that who knows what's on the floor of that building,
you know what I mean. Like, I'm sure there's some
really cool secrets in this building.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Thirty Rock, It's got a lot of character to it. Yeah,
do you know yet how the workloaders divided it up
in the writer's room? Do some people just work on
the Monologue, do some work on specified skits or does
everybody work on everything together?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Kind of a little bit of both of those things.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
You know, I'm very new here, so I don't really
have a ton of authority to talk on it. But
like there's people who work on like Weekend Update has
specific writers and they have specific producers, and then the
Code Open has specific producers. Monologue has different writers, but
those writers also write sketches for the show, and we
all write on Tuesday nights, and we all, like you know,

(07:43):
we have a pitch meeting, and then we go away
and do some ideas and pitch on those ideas and
come back and write them on Tuesday, do a table
read Wednesday, and then do some rewriting Thursday, and Friday
is time to start loading up the show.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
You mentioned Weekend Update there, and you got me thinking
about one of my to Norm McDonald, one of my
favorites of all time, rest Uh. When it comes to
you and your style, how have you developed your own
writing process over the years, and what type of comedy
style would you say is most close to Carl Tart.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
I think most closest to me is just really silly stuff,
like my favorite TV show is Family Guy, Uh, my
favorite TV show, but Family Guys. Family Guy is my
favorite TV show. So stuff like that, like and thirty
Rock honestly like second favorite and so like just irreverent,
super silly but also very smart, like super joke heavy,

(08:41):
but like jokes are jokes are so smart? Are so
stupid that they're smart?

Speaker 2 (08:46):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Like it's like how I can't believe that was said?
I can't like you know, so it's a really cool
I like that stuff. I like I like having a twist,
straight layer, you know what I mean. So we got
the base layer of comedy, but then something is said that,
oh there's multitudes to this one thing.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
You know what I mean. I like that. That's my
that's my style.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Besides Saturday Night Live, what are your other favorite sketch
comedy shows? I know you've written for a few.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
I grew up with a Living Color and all that,
and man, so like those kind of like how we
all are if we are at a certain age, Like Living
Color was amazing going back and watching that. Everything doesn't
hold up too well, but a lot of stuff is
pretty good and all that, like seeing kids do it
at that time was really cool as well.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
What about some of the newer stuff with the whitest
kids you know are Key and Peel, oh Ke.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
And Peel of course Chapelle Show and also I think
you should leave.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Like Tim Robinson a former SIDL writer but good buddy
of mine him him as well, like what he did
was kind of kind of like brought it back, kind
of brought back like edge in comedy and really silly stuff.
He has one of the strongest voices, one of the strongest,
most unique voices in comedy, and I think he's able
to really show that on I think you should leave.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I had Paul sheer on and I asked him the
same question. It's different for everybody. I know it's a
personal decision, but how do you view what's acceptable for
you comedically and what could be crossing the line at
some point? Do you have your own philosophy on what
you think is funny and you're not gonna go over
this threshold here?

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, you know, I don't think I think anything is
on limits. If it's smart, like it has to be,
you have to have an opinion on it, you have
to have a take on it. It can't just be
these people are bad because they're weird. No, you have
to have like that. That's what I mean by the
extra layer. You have to have a take. You have
to have a educated take, a well researched take. In

(10:51):
my opinion, anything is on limits if you if you
have done the work, so you know, people say, oh,
you can't, you can't do anything anymore. You can't say anything.
It's cancers. Like, No, people think they're funny when they're not,
and they go and they'll just say something offensive and go, well,
come on, man, that's a joke.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I'm being funny.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
It's like, well, you're not being funny, like truly, by
definition of what funny is, you're not doing that. You're
just saying something that's mean and maybe what you would
consider edgy. But it doesn't you know, you're not really
making a point. You're not really you don't have an opinion,
you don't have a take. Your opinion can't just be
I don't like these people, so I'm gonna say something
mean about them, Like, it can't just be that you

(11:31):
have to have but anything can be. We could all
be made fun of, I think, and life is funny
and this world is funny and as bad as it is.
It's equally funny with things that happen, with what things
that people say, and I think bad people can be
made fun of it all the time.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Do you have a Mount rush More of your favorite
comedians of all time?

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, I'm on my Mount Rushmore. Who personally inspired me
is Martin Lawrence, Dave Chappelle, Uh comedian some more.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
You know who Samoory is? You ever heard that name before?
It is a woman.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I want to say, I thought I call her the
improv once and Bray maybe.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
You definitely probably did. And who else? Oh? And Red
Fox That's what I'm.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Saying for one of the greatest shows of all time.
What are some of your favorite comedies ever that helped
form your comedic foundation?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Well, of course Family Guy, and then I would say
Walk Hard, the Dewey Cock Story, Jo Riley. Yeah, Coming
to America is one of those, Uh Martin's movies like
Blue Streak and Nothing to Lose and Nothing.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
To Lose is one of my favorites ever. Very underrated.
Tim Robbins, That's one of the greatest to me.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
And like Rush Hour, Rush House always very funny, just
movies that you can go back and watch over and over.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Again, what are some of the programs you've been a
part of. I mentioned it earlier going through your IMDV
that you're proud of and you want everybody to learn
about Carl tart through these features that you've been on before.
I just saw you an old Dads. That's kind of
how I got to thinking about I think it get
Karl tartak and you were very good. You were very good.
I love seeing you and Bill Berry interack. That was fun.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
That was cool. Right.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
What's some of the stuff that people should check out?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
I mean, I gotta go to my go to man.
The thing that changed my life for the better in
an amazing way is Grand Crew. It's still on Peacock
if you want to watch it, both seasons fully fully
available on Peacock if you have that app. It's called
Grand Crew and it's the show I got to do
with my friends, and I'm super proud of it and
I loved being there. We unfortunately I run ended a

(13:48):
little bit shorter than what we wanted, but got two
seasons out of it and it's in the Pantheonic TV
and lives on NBC and Peacock forever. However, only exist
hopefully long time, But I say, go look at that
and then if you want to see, uh something fun
that I wrote and acted, go and check out. Let

(14:11):
me think, how do I I'm trying to remember what episode
it was. Let me let me google and see what
episode it was. But it's the episode of the episode
of Brooklyn nine nine I was in. It was called
the crime Scene. I think it's season five, episode six
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
But I for writing five episodes here on imdbmrow.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Well, I didn't write five episodes, but I was a
story editor, so I contributed on the whole season, contribute
on eighteen episodes. But that was the episode that I
acted in, was called the crime Scene. And I also
got to write that part, like I wrote kind of
kind of improvised that part in the room and they
were like, oh, read it at the table read because

(14:50):
a little TV a little TV insider info on shows
like that. Before they hired the guest stars, they we
have the table ree like a week for the few
days before they hired a guest star, and so all
the writers perform those guest.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Star parts along with the cast.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
And I performed that part that I had just written,
and they were like well, Carl's gonna do that on
the show.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I was like, great, Yeah, so I got to do it.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
What's Andy like?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
He's a great guy. Andy's a great dude. Who are
some of the people you're going quite a bit? Okay?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Who are some of the people when you're going for
the job. With that said, now that's you're saying, Hey,
I got a reference right here. This is my guy
in my corner vouching for me, saying I'd be good
for this job.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Definitely, Definitely, Andy Sandberg, he would vouch for me. Tim
Robinson would vouch for me. I've got a lot of
current cast members Edgo Wodham and Sarah Sherman and James
Austin Johnson.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
They vouched for me.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Current writers that I know from the comedy scene, they
vouch for me. You mentioned writers and actors on the
show an artist earlier.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Who are some of them? Because I don't want you
to give anything away, I want to get you in
trouble or anything like that, But how could you what
tidbit or what teas could you give us? For Season
fifty of SNL.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
It's gonna be fun and it's gonna be crazy. All
I can tell I can't. I can't tell you anything.
I can't tell I can't say a word. I just
signed a real ironclad contract that will get me right
up out of here.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
But I'll tell you this, stay tuned in.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Every episode this season is gonna be real fun and
people going to enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
I got a feeling any Murphy's gonna be there somewhere.
I can't wait. No, I'm discussing.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I hope he is. I hope he is. I hope
he is. I would love to meet him.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Christopher Walking. You said it he hadn't done an episode
in a while. Come on, bring about the Continental please?
All right, Carl, I appreciate you dispensing all that here
on Clippers Talk, and we are very proud of you.
I know you've been coming on with Clips and Dip
and been coming on with Will Updyke and Chuck Malker
for a long time, and I've been lucky enough to
get to know you now too. So it was pretty
excited when somebody added me on the tweet that said

(17:02):
season fifty of Saturday Night Live, we'll have Carl tart
On as we of the riders. That's just it's big time, man.
It's unbelievable, So big time congrats to you. Let's talk
some Clippers. Let's talk some Clippers, the team you love.
I'm just hoping you're not gonna be attached to the
Brooklyn Nets of the New York Knicks just because you're
in New York now.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
I mean, well, you know our old friend Charlie Widows,
who used to work for the Clippers, is now working
for the Brooklyn Nets.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I will not be a Knicks fan.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I got my team, and even though I might be
sitting in some NBC sanctioned SNL sanctioned New York Knicks seats,
when the Clippers come to town, I will be rocking
the Red, White and blue.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
What got you started? We've talked about origin stories recently
on clips and Dip and why we became Clippers fans,
and we're all coming from a different place, although Chuck
and Willer are both coming from Montana. So what got
you started? With? Going through this journey and I know
a lot of it for Clipper Nation, it has been
a tough one.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
But we love, we love them.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
I can't quit him for since I was a kid.
I moved to la when I was about seven years old,
and I used to be in Big Brothers, Big Sisters
program and Boys and Girls Club and stuff like that,
and they would give out free tickets. They would give
out free tickets for the kids. And the first game
I ever went to, the first NBA game I ever

(18:23):
went to, was a Clippers game, and the day of
my stepfather, who was an LA native, die hard fan
of the other team, and he was roasting me for
having these free tickets. And you know how kids are
when the new parental figures comes in their lives and
they're like, man, you ain't my dad. I don't even

(18:43):
like you like you know, So I was. I was
very much defiantly rooting for the Clippers all those years.
And then as time went on, you know. And the
first game I ever went to, I think was nineteen
ninety nine, and it was lamar Odom's rookie year, or
maybe it was the end of the season previously before
he got drafted, So the ninety eight ninety nine season,
not the ninety ninety two thousand season.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
And I went.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
To my first game at the end of the ninety
eight ninety nine season, had a great time. Our seats
were way up at the top of the sports arena
and the workers that were like, you, guys can move
down if you want to, So we got to go
closer to the court. I'm sure a lot of people
in LA have that same origin story. And then quin
Richard Darius Miles came and that team was super fun

(19:27):
and they would also hold like events for kids in
the neighborhood. Correy mcghetti and Michael Oliver Candy would be there,
Keon Dueling would be there, and all these players that
you would they had. I had access to them in
a way. You know, you see Quinn Richardson Darius Miles
at the Fox Hills Mall when I was a kid,
like just walking around and nobody really cared about them

(19:48):
because they were on the Clippers at that time, but
like you would just see them out like it felt
like that team just felt accessible. It just felt like
an accessible team. And then you know, by the time
I got to like high school and stuff, when they
were they had a couple of good years, the Sam Cassell,
Chauncey Billups, Sean Livingston years, the Catino Mobley years, like

(20:10):
those years were great and super fun to watch and
super fun to be a part of. I just kind
of got glued to them. And I also it became
an identity thing, like because people would see you walking
down the street in the Clippers hoodie, which were very
hard to find back then. Donald Stirling was not good
with merch. But yeah, but you'd find that you'd find

(20:32):
a T shirt or a set of pajamas or a
hoodie or something like that like Marshals or TJ Max.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
And I would get it every time I saw it, Like.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Instead of going from some other place to Marshall's later
on because there's some defect, it just went straight to
Marshalls to Marshals.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Uh, And and I would buy that stuff.
And I'd be walking around high school and my Clippers
hoodie and people be like Clippers good wrong, like yo, man,
Like I took them on as an identity.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
So that's my squad.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
I got twenty five years in the game with these guys,
and I ain't ain't. I ain't backing down no time
soon because we got the new owner and Steve Barmer,
and you know, things haven't worked out exactly how we
wanted them since since he's been here. But it's only
up from here, man, It's only up. We can't go back,
like it's almost impossible.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I like what you said there because it's almost like
every Clipper fan had their own personal relationship with this
team and why they became a Clippers fan because they
weren't the Lakers, they weren't as well known, and it
feels like, I don't know, you're closer. You mentioned how
accessible guys were back then, but regardless, it just feels
like you're closer to this team. Yeah, because you're a

(21:44):
part of history being made in the moment, because the
first championship they win, you can be there for that.
It's more meaningful instead of a team that has I
don't know seventeen of them already. What's one more? What
does that mean to you? Who are theo Who is
your favorite play of the guys that you looked up
to growing up? You mentioned the Knuckleheads, You mentioned Sam Cassell, Catino, Mubbley,

(22:06):
Elton Brand, Corey mcghetty. Who is your guy that you
really lasted onto.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
I'll tell you who my guy was, Baron Davis. Baron Davis,
my guy, b d is my guy? Like love watching
him play La Native. You also very accessible. You see
him at open runs. You see him at UCLA playing.
You see him at the west Chester Runs. By the
time I got to high school, when I was a
basketball player myself, we'd be at runs with MBD would
be there. Uh, he was my guy before that. Before that,

(22:34):
it was Darius Miles. Like Darius Miles, I've always I
loved his game when I first started watching, of course,
and lamar odom Uh and Elton Brand too. Elton Brown
was was was a guy. But I think BD is
probably my favorite Clipper in history outside of PJ.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Tucker of course, and we'll.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Get to that. We got a whole second. I hope
you brought the jersey with you to New York or something.
You gotta have it.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Most I almost packed it almost was like, man, should
I bring the PJ.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
To I'm gonna get a new one.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
I'm gonna get a new one ship once I get
my apartment, because I'm still in the hotel right now.
Once I get my apartment, I'm gonna get the new
the new style ship to me.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
We'll talk about jerseys coming up too, and the recent
one that just dropped yesterday, actually the New City.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Edition that is one true? Is that one for really?

Speaker 1 (23:23):
It sounds like it because everybody. Every team had a
new one out there. I don't think somebody's just making
all these up. Some some would like them to be
made up because the Lakers one looks god awful, and
I would say more than half of them do not
look good. And Nike has taking a lot of incoming
right now from some of these jerseys designs. But you
kind of talked about being the outsider in your own

(23:44):
city with the team that you root for and how
popular the Lakers are. What's it like being in the
entertainment business surrounded by plenty of Laker fans there too.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Well, Uh, what I love about that is none of
these dudes can beat me up, So I'm very strong
and entertainment guy.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
They could talk all the crap they want to.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
I don't know. I heard Michael Clark Duncan was a
Laker fan, man, he might have been a whole take you.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well, rest in peace to that man. Was the last one.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Does it get annoying with the amount of crap you
can take from Laker fans.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Over the years, Yeah, just annoying. Oh my gosh, man.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
When I became like that's one of the most annoying
things about being in a bit of the public eye
is Laker fans and how annoying they are.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Is that why you're not on Twitter?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Is that it? Oh?

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, that's the main reason. No, I just it was
just during the pandemic. It was a sesspool. I had
to get out of here.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, it was, it still is. Yeah, your burner knows well. Okay,
So new jerseys. I want to go back a little
bit because I found a web page that has every
Clippers jersey imaginable, from every era. I want to know
what jerseys you have, what jerseys you still like to

(25:00):
get if you're excited about these new jerseys coming, because
I think I just did the screenshot here, Yes I did. Yeah,
So let's go back a little bit. Let's go back
to the beginning of your Clippers fan ship. You said,
late nineties ninety nine season.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, so I have a lamar Odem in that style
of jersey I've read. I have a red lamar Odem,
not the white one, but I have the red one,
the one that right before they changed it to what
we know as the Knuckleheads era.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I have that jersey and lamar odom that's nice. Yeah, yeah,
you can even go further back than that.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
If you scroll down even further and see, I'll tell
you I got some real throwbacks.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Were going to Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
No, not Buffalo. You can start right right there.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Okay, Norm Nixon style.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Here, Yeah, I have that.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I have a Norm Nixon in white and I have
a Bill Walton in blue.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Oh I like that. Yeah, okay, those are two outstanding
choices from Carl Tart. You couldnot go wrong with either
of those guys. I know Buill didn't play a lot
back then, but the jerseys were still fire and it
was a big deal. They got him by the way
that Ralph Lawler interview I did over the weekend. Hopefully
part one is dropping soon here. Okay, so what do

(26:19):
you not like? Which of these jerseys are you against?
I mean, most people love the retro stuff no matter
what it is.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
You see that nineteen eighty seven eighty eight one that
has the Los Angeles script on it.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
That is the grail right there? That jersey is the grail?

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Is it? So you don't have it?

Speaker 3 (26:35):
I do not have that one because that one is
impossible to find.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Who you getting Danny Manning.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Danny Manning wasn't on the team yet by the time
Danny Manny came in. It was on that's eighty seven
eighty eight. He got drafted eighty eight eighty nine, so.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
They stand up. It was both seasons.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
I think, oh, maybe maybe he did play in one
of those. I thought he came when they when they
switched to just the Clippers script, but in that first
Clipper script.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
So I do have I do have a uh the
Lamar Oldham.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
And then when you scroll back up to the two thousand,
two thousand and one, of course I got I got
Darius Miles in White and Red.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I have he was your favorite.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, yeah, I have.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
I have Darius Moules and White and Red. I also
have Darius Moules with a jersey that they don't have
on here. I have a Darius Miles uh San Diego
Clippers jersey.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Oh and that was an alternate from the early two thousands.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, And I have a I have a scroll up
a little bit. I have Quentin Richardson in that in
that San Diego, that white San Diego right there, I
have Quin Richardson.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, I got that's nice. Okay, I like that alternate.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Man, Yeah, that was cool.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
I like that a lot.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
And I also have a one that I don't think
they ever played in. But it's a red jersey that
has clippers kind of going fast across it and in
and like, remember do you remember what the what the
floor logo looked like back then? That clip it had
they have. I don't think they ever played in these.
I think this was just like when Nike and swing

(28:04):
Man were just experimenting with jerseys. But I got a
Queen Richardson in that one too.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Okay, so you got some rare stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
And I got and I got Andre Miller in white.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
What do you know about this?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I do not have that one. That won't be really
cool to get.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Check her down the side that's not bad.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
That won't be really cool to get. I got Andre
Miller in that white, in that white right there?

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Uh, Andre Miller clippers legend. No, he did not want
to be a Clipper. That did not end up working
out as well, but damn it, it seemed like a decent
trade at the time.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
He was a dog.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
And then that blue one I have in that in
that blue, I also have another quent Ridgardson. Okay, you're
really making me realize I got too many of these.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
You got like a Batman closet for the Varius Miles ones.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
You just got so many jerseys now in that in
that oh I got and I got Baron Davis in that.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
In that Blue which one Blue brought up?

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got Baron Davis in that one too.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Your favorite BD probably got a raw deal because he
thought he was going to be playing with Elton Brand.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
And it also just seemed like the injuries over time
mounted and it sapped some of his athleticism. In fact,
I think Ralph Lawler talked about that in his book
where Darren or excuse me, Baron Davis told him that,
you know, he lost some of his explosives or he
didn't feel as explosive as a Clipper. Yeah, it was apparent.

(29:28):
What about some of the lop Citi era stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
That whole row?

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I have those in Blake, these all four, I.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Don't have that.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
I don't have the blue Los Angeles Angels one or
whatever it's called. I don't have that Los Angeles Stars
is what.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
That one is?

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Stars across the side.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, I don't have that one.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
But I do have the red, White, and Blue, the
hung Away and alternate in Blake. I also have the
red and blue NCP three and I also have that.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
I got that adult said the sleeved.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
I got the other sleeve, the one as above that.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
One above it here.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
I couldn't Christmas Day, I haven't. I have that exact jersey.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
This is not real. This is I can't believe the
NBA thought this would catch on.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Now would too? But I bought it.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Did you wear it? Was it comfortable?

Speaker 3 (30:18):
No, because the sleeves are too tight, but the but
the mid section is big, so it just doesn't fit well.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
It's It's amazing to me that one of the all
time legendary moments in NBA history happens in twenty sixteen
where Lebron is wearing a sleeved Cleveland Cavaliers shirt because
the NBA were pushing those so hard.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Also, I forgot to mention one.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
I have a Blake in red rookie year blake and
go down and you go down to the previous jersey style, Uh, down.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
To oh these ones? Yeah, the covers on the front.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, I have a Blake. I have a Blake Griffin
and red and that one.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
These are solid. I still like I like the red
from when you go back a little further. I like
this red more.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, that one, great one, And.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
That's kind of what people were pining for, and that's
kind of what they're getting now.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
A little bit.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
We got real Los Angeles. I can't wait till that
one comes out of or something like that.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Have you been to the Flagship Store?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
I have not.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I was gonna go before I got this job.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Freaking SNL just ruining everything in your life.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I want to get that.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
You see that clip that that Christmas jersey right there,
I want to get that one.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
I don't have that one.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
This this almost should have sleeves. I don't even know
that's cut off. So there's so little more shit there.
So the deck it's not bad though, red on red
with the red lettering there too.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, not bad.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Oh I show you I got one more to show you.
You scroll up. I'm sure you're about to see it.
Uh So. I bet CP three jersey right there with
the seed, the red one with the lac and the
number next to it. I have that jersey. I have
that in CP three. I got that at Marshall's for
twenty bucks bucks too much.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I like these these Christmas jerseys right here.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
I like these that's to me, that's the Austin Rivers
Christmas jersey.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Rivers stands out in that jersey for me. But that's
the Austin Rivers jersey for.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
A few more.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Uh, that white I have. I'm I've been looking for
a Jamal Crawford in this style. But I also just
don't like this jersey. I hate it when they the
pool noodles. When they first came out with these, it
was this was it was Balmber's first year.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
I hated these.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
You're saying the underscore under the lettering is a pool noodle.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, I hated that. I hated.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
You're right, You're wrong, all right.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Now, all of those so of course I have I
have in in the In the white, I have a Kawhi.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I have a PG. I have a Russell Westbrook. Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
And then in the blue, I have a the new ones,
the Newer ones. In the blue, I have a lou Will,
I have a Pat Bev. I have a PG and
a Kawhi. In the black, I have a PG and
a Kawhi.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
And which which black?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
These ones? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:14):
What about what about the mister cartoon jerseys? A Santa
dres Fall and I love these.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
So I have that in in PG and my name
because they sent me one nice so I and I
have that one in Kawhi and pat Bev.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I hope these still make an appearance in future seasons.
And the fact that they still have this emblem inside
into it dome. I think it's a big banner in
one of the spots that gives me hope that we're
still not done with the sant and dress, because I
think those are some of the best alternatives out there.
Did you get a Buffalo Brave jersey?

Speaker 3 (33:51):
I did not. I don't like. I got some T shirts,
but I don't really like.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
That jersey, what the color scheme or the h.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I don't like this. I'd rather just.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Like Bob McAdoo. Y'all all love the West Coast.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Nothing nothing personal against him. Will you scroll down? I
forgot to tell you. So you see the eighty four
Olympic alternate.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Oh yes, second edition.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
I got that in in lou Will and that's probably
my favorite clip of jersey.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I own. I love that jersey.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
These were polarizing, I don't. I don't.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
I wanted them to change the before they before we
got our new logo. I wanted that to be the logo. Yeah,
I wanted I wanted to change. I wanted to change
the team's branding to that.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Okay, so let's talk about the new stuff first. With
this great one that came out, I don't know if
you were a fan hated that.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I didn't. I didn't want that in my closet.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
And was it because of the color because it wasn't
red when everybody thought we're finally getting the red.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
One because of because of the color. Who wants a
great jersey? That's so it's so boring, like it's not
making any don't you can't call that a statement jersey
when you're not making any type of statement. Okay, that
jersey right there.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I gotta bee.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yes, yes, I got.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
A PG in that one.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
That was one of my favorite too, because they finally
brought back the script and I was like, I was
happy that that Obama was leaning into that because I
thought the rumor was he was never gonna have that again.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
With the little San Diego colors here with the salmon
and the light blue. And then I like this one
a lot too.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
This one I have that and uh, I have an
authentic Terrence man, like a gameplay Terrence man, and I
have John wall in that one, and the the and
the one next to that. I got a PG, which
is probably the best fitting when.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I have what this one right here?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta I got a PG in
this one.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
See these are okay the San Andreas, but a little
bit too much going on for me with the sales
here and then the red and the blues stands out
a lot more and I just I don't know, I
love the black and white. I know people were saying
they look too much like San Antonio, but I was.
I was a fan.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Okay, too much like too much like too much like
Brooklyn Nets, too much like I don't I don't want.
I don't think any jersey should be black and white. Okay,
think our team colors are red, white and blue. Let's
make every jersey red, white and blue.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
So last season these were the City Edition ones. Do
you have one of the clips ones?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I do.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I have PJ Tucker in the clips, and I have
James Harden in the in uh white.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
And this one I hear the home white. Yeah, okay, look,
I'm rooting for PJ. I hope it all works out.
I hope he's still on the team. I hope he's
a contributor. But now, now, this just came out yesterday
and from everything we know, it's official coming from Nike.
It's the same thing, but the lighter blue, which I

(36:54):
really like. I think they pop more. I think it's
a better color. It's almost like Chargers powder blue. Everybody
loves that.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, yeah, I don't mind this.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
I would like a little bit more color in it.
I don't mind that being the main color. I would
love to have some orange accents in here somewhere, or
some red accents or something.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
But I don't mind this being the city edition.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
I most likely will buy one, but I need to
get I still haven't gotten the new jersey yet.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Period. Okay, I haven't gotten any of the new style yet.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
So here's the new home jerseys in the wide. I
love it. Carl, I was scared. I was concerned. They
talked about the rebranding. Some people haven't come around yet
on the logo, but I think most it's grown on them.
But nobody said a damn thing about the jerseys when
they came out, when they first showed them off. They're beautiful,

(37:45):
They're perfect.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
To me, they are great. They are great.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
I wish they would have done a V neck because
I love a V neck jersey. But I beggars can't
be choosers. Yeah, and we begged for new logos, and
this is what That one is so sweet, and that
red one, that red one is I am getting that
day one.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Who's the guy, who's the player?

Speaker 3 (38:08):
I think I'm gonna go with the one you looking
at it right now. I think I'm gonna go norm
Man I have I don't have any norm jerseys.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I think this is yeah, norm Uh. I like a
Norman pal jersey. I love the red ones. Some people
wanted the lettering to be white, but I like this
dark bluether using.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I think if they had done white accents on it, that
would have been cool.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, that would have been all right. But again, this
is this is something to behold. This is what people
I've been asking for for ten years now.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
So it's a sick jersey. I can't wait till they
play in them. I wish Russ was still on the
team because I would have got that in.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
The rust red because it's gonna be a hot cellar
at the flagship store, all right. So there was a
little bit of jersey reflection review and a preview of
things to come that we are excited about. Here, Carl,
let's talk about the team a little bit more on
what's to come in this season. But maybe I should
at least follow up on something. How many jerseys do

(39:06):
you have in total? Now?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
How many did we count just then? Over? Probably twenty twenty? Yeah,
over twenty.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Probably you're going to get a new red one at least.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
And I'm gonna get in probably the white and the blue.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
As well, and the light blue clips.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
The main the main three. I'm the jury is still
out on the light blue. For me, I gotta see
what I'm aware with it.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
You know that's fair.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
See what the hack game once. Once they come out
with the hats for that one, that's when I'll make
a decision.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
A PJ. Tucker jersey leads to some people raising an eyebrow.
Now you bought it at the start of last season.
I'm guessing PJ. Tucker was one of your guys.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
I just like, I like PJ Tucker swag. I've liked
him in the league. He's not he's not working well
for us, like, but I've liked him in the league.
I like who he is. I like the shoe thing.
I got a lot of shoes myself.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
You uh, didn't you write or we're in an episode
of a show on Netflix, Sneakerheads.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
I wrote, I wrote a couple episodes of a TV
show called sneaker Heads.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, yeah, so you have some experience. You have a
wardrobe with a section dedicands and shoes.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I absolutely do. It was so hard.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
That was one of the hardest things with the with
the move here, I was trying to figure out what
shoes I was gonna bring.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
What are a couple of your favorite pairs?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Hey, I'll show you what I got. I'll show you
what I did bring.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, let's see what you got? The clean kicks over here?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
These are these are two of mine.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
So I got the paddlet the AJ Woods, and I
got the royal toe AJ wants.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Here. These aren't mids, good lord, these are two of
the ones that I brought with me.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Uh, just give me some of you talked about a
holy Grail for a jersey. What shoes are you on
the hunt for still that you need to complete your collection?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Man? I want those those dions.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
When did the Colorado Woods or the old ones?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
I mean the old ones, the I'd love the old ones,
but the Colorado ones looked just like the old ones.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
I like those quite a bit. Who else we got
we got? Uh?

Speaker 3 (41:07):
I really would like a pair of the Hurrachi two
K four's, the red, white and blue Hurachi two K fours.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Okay, I think.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Kobe played in them that year and they were the
two thousand and four Olympics.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I'm pulling them up right here. My favorite shoes probably
of all time are still the original Pennies.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Ah yeah, the O G.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
I like his phone positive ones too. These are nice.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
I like those and the ones next to the ones
right next to those, the second image. Those are the
that's the grail shoe?

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Which one here?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
That one? Yeah? That one?

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Matter of fact, John Wall, John Wall took his press
his press day pictures in those.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Oh I should have seen them then I was there. Okay,
these are nice?

Speaker 3 (42:03):
These are I had a pair of those. I had
a pair of the first one that you pulled up.
I had a pair of those when I was in
high school, and I played in them in high school.
And I missed those shoes quite a bit. I think
my mom donated them when I went to college because
they were beat up pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
I remember going to the Nike outlet in like ninety
nine or two thousand and finally picking up a pair
of these penny hardaways. They fell apart within like three weeks. Well,
damn it, I had them. I don't know they were
at the outlet. I think for a reason.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
You can find those, though, Adam, you can. You can
get those for a decent price in the resale market.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
I'm guessing they've done some reissues on these.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, they've done some reissues on those. You can get those.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
My other favorite shoes ever were the T Mac threes.
I don't know if you know about this, but the
once he wore at the All Star Game, the blue ones.
These are some of my favorites because Addas did not
do Kobe right. But I love the T Max one.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Everybody had those in two thousand and three. Look at
that blue Look at the waist stripe, you like jams.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
I love those so much. They're probably uncomfortable as hell.
I think they run a narrow Addas and might got
a wide foot, but damn I still. Oh he was
wearing one of each in the All Star Game. I
didn't realize that at the time. That's a beautiful thing.
All right, we've gone down too many wormholes here. Let's
get a little bit back on track here. Carl Tart

(43:29):
is our guest here on Clippers Talk. New member of
the Saturday Night Light Saturday Night Live cast. He is
a writer, and we'll see what happens after that. I'm
guessing take long to make his foot to take his
talents into another area that Saturday Night Live at thirty Rock. Okay,
So we talked about one bad jersey with PJ. Tucker,

(43:51):
But I hear all the time from the clips and
dip guys that it's not just one. When you buy
a jersey of a Clippers player, they typically end up
getting traded. Is there a real Carl Tark.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I hope not.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I think I just I think I just like dudes
that are on the block, like on the bubble, because
I mean, I like John Wall put on that jersey.
John Wall has been such an electrifying player in his career.
When he puts on a Clippers jersey, I want that jersey,
Like Russell Westbrook put on that jersey. I was like,
I have to get one like That's been one of

(44:21):
my favorite players of all time. He had a terrible
year with the Lakers right before we got him, and
then he stepped up a little bit with us, but
it wasn't always consistent. But he you get when you
get a guy like that, Like if we were to
get who's a guy in the league right now that
probably is on his way out that I've always liked
this game. If Derrick Rose comes to the Clippers, I'm

(44:43):
getting a Derrick Rose jersey.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I understand that logic. Then it's just like, yeah, we
know he's not the same player they used to be,
but it's still cool that he has a Clippers jersey
now and he was one of my all time favorites.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Yes, yeah, that makes that makes sense to me, and
PJ has always had He's not one of my all
time favorite players, but he's like he got an all
time swag and I'm just like, oh, this dude's playing
for my team. I'm gonna get his jersey, like I can.
I can get it if I want to, you know
what I mean, Like it ain't but uh, Terrence Man,
I was I was gott I was getting nervous because
I was like, I don't want Terrence Man to get traded.

(45:14):
I also like, I like having like I was thinking
abou getting a mirror coffee jersey or other, but then
I felt like if I wore that to a jersey,
it'd be weird because you didn't play very often.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
He probably looking at the crowd and be like, who's
this guy with my jersey? Weirdo?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
And he got love. In twenty twenty four, he was
playing in that playoff series too. Didn't have a great series,
but overall he helped this team this year. I love
in a mire coffee jersey. So you're saying Norman Powell
is the next one they're getting.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Red, but I don't want him to get traded. But
because I have a signed basketball from Norman Pout that
he signed on the court and threw it into the
crowd and I caught it.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I thought, you met like you asked him to side
something and then he threw it into the crowd, Like no.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
That was for me, norm No, I would sit in
the crowd. He had just he had just like won
us the game, and you know how they signed the
game ball at the end and threw it in.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
The crowd and I caught it. That's awesome, my hands
out stretched. I don't think so. I don't think anybody
caught on video.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
You got to use that Olympic music. Yeah. Norm Powell
is a great clipper. I have heard some rumors of,
you know, maybe he's a guy that could be on
the trading block, but we talked about it before coming
into last season, and then he helped form one of
their best lineups, the Powell Rangers. So if anything, they
should need him more with no Paul George, So that

(46:30):
might be a safe bet right now with Norm Powell.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Uh, I think I owe it to zoo to get
a zoo jersey.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Oh now we're talking. Now, we're talking the transition, the
lob the jam. Here a segue into a viatsa zoo
Bots talk brought to you by Carl Zart. What color
you getting the Zoobots jersey?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
In h I might get his. I might get his
in the city edition.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Okay, okay, A clip Zuobots jersey sounds like you're warming
up to the big Foot.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Or I might just I might just get jersey in
the old style because it'll be on sale.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Hey, Hey, how dare you? He's not getting traded. It's
not going to show up at Marshall's or Ross or
anything like that.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
I might get his jersey on the on the the
resale market somewhere on eBay. I'm sure they got one
on eBay laying around.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Come on, this guy just got an extension, Carl Tard.
He's with us for four years here.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
So it's not like you're the only one that has
felt this way about a Visa Zubas for some time.
But let me see if I can pinpoint some of
the I don't know frustration that a certain part of
Clippers nation has had with the Viza Zubos because he
came in from the Lakers and that first season, of
the first full season, he had broken hand her hands

(47:48):
I think both were broken at one point. He played
through it, but he could catch the basketball. And I
feel like that first impression of a Viza Zubos fubble
and so many basketballs has stuck with him and he
hasn't been able to shake that reputation. Could that be it?

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Please tell Adam, I have season tickets. I have seen
a lot of Visa games. I've seen games. I was
there for twenty nine to thirty one game and I
was like, that is.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
My center.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Claimed him for one day.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
That's my center, I cried in the press conference. That's
my center, man, that's my center of.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
The TL press conference, that's my quarterback. That's my center.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
That's my center.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
But uh, you know, there have been some moments where
I just I just want more consistency. I just want
more consistently from the big man. And you can put
I know you're gonna. I know you got the numbers,
Uh really locked in your brain. I know you do, Adam,
but you numbers sometimes live and Zubat is good for
I told you what I need from him this season.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
What was the stat line you wanted?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Then? I say sixteen and ten.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
I think that's fair. Honestly, I think it's totally reasonable.
He's the third most actual important player on this team.
If he's not getting sixty and ten, they're in deep trouble.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I think I need him to average a double double
this year now, and I need a healthier do I can't.
I don't want ten in ten. I want more points
than that. I need them points up because I need
him to make the shots around the basket. But defensively,
Zubats actually like I've given him his props. I said,
if we calling Jokic the best sending in the league.

(49:24):
Zubats actually plays pretty decent defense against him.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
I'd say Euro stuff.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Better than any probably better than anyone. It's remarkable what
he does against it is.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
It is very it's very weird how good he is
against Jokic, right because those games, because there are players
that he doesn't do that against, like Joel he can't guard,
but like he he.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Does well against Ad. He plays a D strong AD.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
He cooks that. Man.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Hey, he had a game last season where I thought
he out played a D Clipper still lost my life
two but I thought he had like twenty to nineteen.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
I think he did have a good game.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
I was at that game, but uh, that was the
first that was I usually don't go to Clippers Lakers.
That was the first time I went.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
And wait, tell me about that. Tell me about that too.
Anxiety driven because the game means so much to you
and you don't want to see Lakers fans have bragging
rights right in your face. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's hardcore.
I I respect that.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I like to.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
I like to I get too invested in it. I
like to watch that game from home. I like to
watch that game, lay it on my rug in the
middle of my in the middle of my living room,
just like, ah, just screaming. It's too anxiety driving.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Have you?

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Because back in my day with the Sacramento Kings, when
I was a hardcore fan of theres in the early
two thousands, and they're playing the Lakers, and that's one
of the reasons I don't like the Lakers. I was
known for punching some holes and walls. What's the worst
thing you have done out of frustration from a Clippers loss?

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Just just raise my blood pressure really high. I'm not
I'm not that I'm not a wall puncher, but I
definitely have.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Just almost died.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've gotten very shaky and very like argumentative.
But it is it gets tough, man, because it just
feels like sometimes down in those stretches where the refs
aren't giving us an especially against the Lakers. If what's
his name, Eric Davis, if he's reffing or we're not
getting nothing.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
I didn't know you had names here. I didn't know
you had specific reps. I thought you were gonna say,
who is it, Scott Foster? If anybody, Oh.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
He didn't used to like Chris Paul. I remember those
days I.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Couldn't get a playoff win when he was out there officiating. Nah, yeah,
I remember Eric Davis.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
I don't know, maybe it's not Eric Davis, but it's
the ballhead guy who gets in the players faces a
lot like he's he really has has to prove it.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
He's not intimidated by the player.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
He's peacocking out there.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah yeah, yeah, And I don't like that. Ref shouldn't
have egos.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Hell yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
You got a job to do. Do your damn job.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Refs shouldn't be stars. That was my problem with the
way David Stern made it during his eras the commissioner.
You knew so many refs names, and that was part
of the show almost And I don't think that's how
it's supposed to be. I do not think anybody came
to see any officials. Do you feel like overall the
Clippers get the short end of the stick massively when
it comes to calls?

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I do, do you think? But I don't.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
I don't know if that's actually true, but I do
believe that it feels like that sometime, Like I've definitely
gone to I've gone to uh Laker games and Clipper
games back to back nights and seeing what the Lakers
get away with and seeing how little the Clippers get
away with, and it's been like, oh, there is a
there's a disparity here. And sometimes it's the same Zebra crew,

(52:35):
like sometimes the same it's the same crew because they're
in LA and it's back to back.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
I know because the clip cast guys came on with
me recently and they had me. They asked me a
question about because they figured I had the stat on this,
of course that you know me, carl uh. They asked
me how many more free throws the Lakers have gotten

(53:02):
over the past couple of seasons. And I actually was
able to find this, And it goes to your point
of just the benefit of the calls for a team
that actually finished I think last in drives per game,
which usually correlates with you gain more free throws free
throws the more times you drive in a game towards

(53:23):
the basket, it usually creates a little bit of contact.
But in this case, for some reason, the Lakers are
last in drives per game over the last season or
right there, but also since the twenty twenty two to
twenty twenty three season, their free throw differential is almost
plus seven hundred to the next team in line. Oh,

(53:44):
who would it be? The New York Knicks. Look at
this drop off. They've taken one and seventeen more free
throws on their opponents over the last two seasons. The Lakers.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah, it's wild like and that that's been the last
two seasons have been ridiculous with the amount of free
throws being the amount of files being called. And of
course Laker fans go, we a driving team. That's what
we do. And it's like every team's a driving team.
Even teams that aren't driving teams are driving team. Nobody's
getting those calls and it's bs.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Here's the Clippers. They did finish top ten. They're a
plus two twenty six, so they're about eight hundred calls
behind where the Lakers are. When it comes to free
throw differential, it is interesting how Golden State is minus
six forty six. But then you think about their style
of play. They take a bunch of three pointers from
the outside. They're taking less free throws because of that.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yes, so it is.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
I don't know what to make of it. All I
know is a plus seven hundred compared to the team
in second place. The Lakers are at ten to seventeen.
The Knicks are at three point fifty eight and plus
free throw differential over a two season span. I'm not saying.
I'm just saying, I don't know what's worth paying attention to.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Mark Davis.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Is the name Mark Davis? Okay, Okay, Yeah, Eric Davis.
I feel like it was a cornerback for my Carolina
Panthers back in the day.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah, and he played for Cincinnati Cincinnati Rids.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Oh two way athlete. Hey, I know what you're talking
about now, uh okay. So we've talked about the Lakers
a little bit. We've talked about the Clippers, and we've
handled the aviatz Zuba situation. You are hopeful and you
are going to buy a jersey and you're coming around
with big Zoo, And part of it is on him,
and part of it's on the team. If he's going
to improve and get to sixteen points per game, he

(55:26):
has to take more than seven shots per game. They
have to get him the basketball. He better be taking
ten plus shots per game, probably closer to thirteen or
fourteen this season. So his teammates got to recognize, Hey,
this guy just got paid the front office believes in him.
We think the coaching staff believes in him. Give him
the minutes, he'll give you the production. That's what I
say with Big Zoo. But he doesn't need to be

(55:47):
more consistent because he's going to have more responsibility. So
he's got to prove that he can be reliable every
night out when he gets those thirty minutes.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
But the lom connection between him and James Harden great,
so he.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Had legit one of the best stretches of his career
last season when he and James Harden and the Clippers
offense was really humming when they went twenty six and five.
A lot of that was just high pick and roll.
James Harden is one of the masters of it, maybe
the best ever, and he is able to find a
beat to zoobots and make life easier for him. How
important do you think it is having James Harden in

(56:22):
training camp now? How to get to this season and
having him is no longer the third option without Paul George,
he's the second option and on a lot of nights
if Kawhi' is not there.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
He's the guy.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Yeah, And I like that. I like the fact that
he's in training camp. I think he is. I think
he's feeling the heat of his career right now that
you know people are kind of down on him. People
are ranking him one of the top shooting guards of
all time. They have him at number four, behind Michael Jordan,
Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, and then James Harden and but

(56:53):
there's a there's a difference between all those guys in him,
and I think he wants to finally do this, and
I think it I think for person who's from LA
even though you know he might not have grown up
a Clipper fan or anything, I think it would be
really cool. And I know he would feel how cool
it would be to bring the Clippers a championship.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
I hope people realize Jerry West played a lot of
shooting guard too. It needs to be included in that group,
the late great Jerry West. Now. But yeah, he's a
top five all time shooting guard and it is going
to be interesting to see at the age of thirty five,
as he just turned that, he'll be thirty five throughout
the season with the Clippers, what he's capable of now

(57:32):
getting older because he only took eleven shots per game
as a Clipper last season Carl which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, obviously up that.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, his lowest amount. And we've talked a lot about
the offense and missing Paul George and missing shot creators
and how they're going to adjust with life without Paul George.
Can they still be a top offense? So I did
a little bit of research and over the past twelve seasons,
the lowest of James Harden offense has ranked is twelve,
and his team he averaged the fifth best offense over

(58:02):
twelve seasons, basically since he became the man in Houston,
the guy we know him as now. So I'm more
hopeful than I thought. I was just looking at the
numbers because I was kind of worried they might only
be fifteenth offensively or thirteenth or fourteenth. I think there's
a chance they could still be a top ten offense,
just because it's the reputation of James Harden. It is

(58:23):
what he does.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Yeah, Kawhi's money from mid range. James Harden is an
offensive juggernaut. If the Visa Zubats can average more shots
and can make those shots, especially the shots around the basket,
and no more blown layups and stuff like that, we
have a big chance of still being a top ten offense.
I hope Terrence Man Is working on his jump shot
this offseason. I hope Dery Jones Jr. Is working on

(58:47):
his jump shot this offseason. We're gonna have Kevin Porter Jr.
I understand the controversial player, but he's gonna be on
the team, so I think he has a lot of
production in him. I hope Chris Dunn is working on
his jump shot. I hope these boys are shooting. I
know Norman is. I know Norman's working on he seen
videos of it.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Norm shot almost forty four from three last season. It
went under the radar just how efficient he was.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
I mean he was in the running. He was top
two for six minut a year all season. Then that
just kind of dissipated. But I what's my other guy's name,
Jordan Miller. I hope he's I hope he might be
able to crack this lineup.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Do you like the fact that it looks like as
much as we've talked about offense here, because we're concerned
on that end, I'm less concerned about the defense this season.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
I'm not concerned at all about the defense. I think
we'll have a very good defense. But Adam, you and
I both know this Western Conference is going to be
a hum dinger this year, and so if we want
to stay out of that damn playing, we're gonna have
to be firing on all cylinders. We're gonna have to
have the healthiest season we've ever had. And because it
is not easy that that those teams are young and top.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
What do you think about the health of Kawhi Leonard
Because we had O young Masouk on Monday, and he believes,
just like many of us, that they have to load
manage him. He shouldn't be playing both games of a
back to back anymore. It's just you can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Yeah, I think, I don't think. I think there's always
going to be that dark cloud lingering over us. I
think he has to sit some of those games, especially
back to backs. I was upset with when the schedule
came out, considering that we do have our own arena
now and yet we still have like five games and
seven nights and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
It's wild to me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
They had the second toughest strength of schedule. They have
sixteen back to backs. No, they don't have any mattin
a home games.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Great, but theirs at this point the schedule is still
really hard.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
And how many teams have a better schedule in them
that don't have their owner Reda dedicated to them like
the Clippers have. Now that's what bothers me. That's what
the Lakers are still second billing over the Kings and
they got a better schedule? Why right? Why is that?
How does that happen? It's frustrated. But do you like
overall the way this team is constructed that we're getting

(01:01:10):
back to a scrappier type of Clippers team that is
maybe more recognizable and more consistent with who they're going
to be on a night to night basis.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
You know, Adam, if I'm honestly speaking from my heart
of hearts, I can't say that I'm overall happy with it,
but I'm content with it, and I wish I wish
we could get one more piece. I don't know where
I want that piece to fa. I just want to
knock down shooter, like I just want who is who
is Danny Green in the league right now? Like I
want to and not not old Danny Green, not Lakers

(01:01:42):
twenty twenty Danny Green? Who is who is Toronto Raptors,
Danny Green.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
I mean, I'm hoping Cam Christy can become a guy
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
That would be great, That would be great.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
That's why I think it's good that all those guys
are in training camp together and James Harden is there,
James Harden can get his leadership back, because I think
James Harden might be a bit more of a vocal
leader than Kawhi is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
And I think that's a bit of an understament.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Yes, you know what I mean, Like I mean, even
Kawhi MPG, because I feel like Kawhi didn't talk at all.
MPG is you know, kind of soft spoken a little
bit at times.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
You still salty about PG.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Or the way it happened, Absolutely absolutely, How.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Do you feel about those B team comments? And then
his dad saying we felt like we were stabbed in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
The back, hated it, hated it, hated it, And I'm
just lack of accountability from what we gave him everything
until the until the end. We gave him everything he
could have had to be successful in and we didn't
get over that hump, and a lot of that is
on him and the B Team thing is like, Bro,
you grew up in this City, Like when you first
signed here, you were, like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Grew up a Clipper fan. I love those qu Richard D.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Miles teams just like I did, because we are we
are of that age where a lot of us became
Clipper fans during that time. And and but him doing that,
him Key Keen, with those guys talking about the B team,
It's like, Bro, you're whack.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
You're a lame man for that, Like, let me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Talk about the B team when you were trying to
be the B player, the number two player exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
I still got a lot of love for PG. But
that was that was lame as hell, even if it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Obviously the Lakers are the preeminent team in town. They
would be against any team in the NBA maybe except
for the Boston Celtics that they happen to be here.
That's just the way it is. But there's no reason
you have to point that out or take shots on
the way out or burn any bridges when you had
still plenty of people in your quarter that I think
you know, he went from having maybe sixty forty cheers

(01:03:37):
to booze for it now being I think ninety ten
booze to cheers when he comes back. Yeah, I know
you're gonna be the November six right, even if you're
in New York, you got to be back for the
PG game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Unfortunately, I won't be able to be back for that ESNL.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
He's dedicated.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
You heard it here first, I'm hoping.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
I'm looking at my schedule and I'm comparing. I'm comparing
my schedule to what days, I what weeks we have
hiatuses and stuff like that. But I will be back
in town in November around the holidays. Uh so, I
hopefully will be able to. But I'm gonna be selling
my season tickets, so they gonna be up on stuff
up to all the listeners out there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Go buy them, please.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I need you to put them up on your Twitter account.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Oh, I forgot. They can't go up there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
All right, before we get out of here, Carl, I
need something from you, and I'm scared to ask because
I know what could be coming. I've got a taste
of it before. I need your impression of me on
Clippers Talk with a caller.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Okay, all right, here we go. You're listening to Clippers Talk.
H It was a tough one out there tonight, but
we finally gotta win on the back of a vizza.
Zubos probably the best clipper in the history of all clipperdom.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
I don't care what you say.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
I don't care if you say it's Helton brand I
don't care if you say it's Kawhi.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I don't care if you say it's James Harden, Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
It's ev T Zobots And I'll put my whole damn
paycheck on that. We got a caller coming in. We
got Adam from the Valley. Adam, what do you think
about tonight's win? Uh, I'm gonna stop you right there.
I can't believe you say something like that. I can't
believe you say something like that. Go ahead, say what
you gotta say. I'm not gonna cut you off. Say

(01:05:25):
what you gotta say.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Yeah, I was just saying that. You know, I thought
they played all right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
I thought they played al right. You thought they played
all right?

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
One hundred and sixteen points, one hundred and sixteen points
to the other team's ninety eight. You thought they just
played all right? Is that all you're gonna give them
the night? Is that all you're gonna give them? Are
you even a real fan of this team. Are you
even a real fan? Have you even put in the legwork?

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
I just really like your show, Adam, like my show.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
You like this show when there's other Clipper shows, when
there's clips and dips, when there's Charles Mockler and Will
Lupdyke with guests like Carl Tart and Laul Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
You like this show. Come on, man, don't call it?
And you know what, I can't. I'm hanging up. Thanks
for calling.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
I can't take this tonight from you, guys. I can't
do this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Okay, that was a little too close to home. That
was I thought I was looking in the mirror all
of a sudden. That was My goodness, there an echo
in here. Carl Tart with a fabulous impression. Hey, this
is why s Andel got him. Like, if you guys
didn't know, Season fifty is going to be out of

(01:06:35):
this world, Carl, I couldn't be more proud of you. Honestly,
it almost makes me want to cry when you talk
about it being your dream and a dream realized like this.
It's so cool. Man. We're just all super stoked for you,
and I haven't watched religiously in years. I will be
this season I will not miss an episode and I'll
be looking for your name in the credit seation every time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Absolutely, brother, I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
He is Carl Tart again. Find him on the gram
at Damn at DA m m it t Carl. That's
where you can get to him. You can get to
me at follow Adam a on Twitter at clippers Talk
is where you're listening to this show, hopefully on the
YouTube side, because it was quite the visual experience here
with us going through all the Clippers jerseys, so please

(01:07:19):
subscribe to the YouTube channel. Coming up, we'll have part
one of the Ralph Lawler interview up in ben Organ.
Also coming up next week we'll have Carlo Jimenez on
radio broadcaster for the Clippers my Patna. He'll be here.
I don't know why it took so long. I'm gonna
have to ask him about that. So some shows to
look forward to. Maybe I'll have a live for you tomorrow.

(01:07:41):
But this has been a lot of fun for Carl Tart.
I'm Adam Mosland. You've been listening to Clippers Talk