1-12-25 - Proper Clothing and Outdoor Gear

On tonight's show, Jim and Scott  discuss the importance of the proper clothing and outdoor gear to help you stay comfortable in widely varying weather conditions.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (01:00):
Can even me everyone. Jim Straighter here with my co
host Scott Cronin and Scott We've got a special show
for folks tonight. It's one we've been asked for for
quite some time from a lot of different people, and
it's a show about how do you dress to stay
comfortable in the outdoors And uh gosh, we've had all

(01:21):
kinds of questions about it, and tonight we're gonna talk
about how to dress from head to toe, how to
deal with all the weather variables that mother Nature throws
at you, and basically try to help everyone that's in
the listening as tonight. It doesn't matter if you're hunting, fishing,
out walking your dog, hiking, riding on ATVs, whatever you're

(01:45):
out there doing. I think tonight's show is going to
be a great step forward to help you understand how
to stay comfortable out there. And Scott, I know you're
a real expert in this field. You got to do
a lot of consulting with out doors companies about outdoor
gear like clothing, and I do want to tell folks

(02:06):
that the information we're going to share with you towight
comes from our cumulative experience. In other words, we're not
really out to tout any particular product. However, we will
be mentioning some of the products that we have used
through the years, from the Arctic to South America that
have helped us stay comfortable on our trips in scott

(02:28):
I'm really looking forward to it, and I'm particularly interested
in your knowledge about the materials that are available today
and how they could help folks with all the crazy
weather conditions that living and participating in the outdoor brings
with it.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
We're going to take care of people from their extremities
all the way to their core through this program, Jim,
and we're going to do that so people can understand
that this is a time staking issue when it comes
to selecting what gear we pick out when it's revolving
around our clothing, and we're going to teach folks not

(03:08):
only how to stay comfortable, but we're going to each
and every one of us are going to be able
to bring our equation to it to where folks are
going to be able to stay in the field or
stay at work a little longer, and a lot of
times that can mean more money or more success. And
the cold weather, the hot weather, it can throw so
many different things at us, and there are ways to

(03:29):
get around it. There's just also a lot of stereotypes
and a lot of information out there that's just flat wrong,
and we'll be able to help folks not only pick
out what they're going to wear, but how they're going
to put it on.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yes, sir, well, when you and I were prepping for
the show and talking, some of the things that come
from bad information or bad clothing choices revolve around kids
that are fridgid and a deer blind that never want
to go again. People's inability to stay on stand when
they're after a big deer when conditions are wet or

(04:01):
extremely cold. Folks hiking, you know, we're going to talk
a lot about layering and what that means and how
to do it properly. So, folks, pull up a chair.
I think you're gonna enjoy the nice program. It's gonna
be highly informational and hopefully it will help you better
enjoy the outdoors. I'm gonna take a quick break before

(04:24):
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(04:45):
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There's all kinds of materials and things out there we
can talk about tonight, but let's give in what folks
really need to know and how to make their selections.
Talk about some of these options that are available.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
The very first thing that's going to hit most people
when it comes to selecting their clothing for cold weather
and getting outdoors is going to be their budget. And
then secondly it's going to be where do they turn
to get to knowledge? And hopefully that knowledge can be
shared tonight, Jim, because when you look at how the

(05:27):
weather can impact what we face, there's so many different variables.
From looking at just genders. We can look at the
age of people and how their circulation changes. We can
look at whether or not they're they're looking to do
a hunt or be outside working or exposed to the

(05:47):
elements for just a few hours, a few minutes, or
even possibly a few days up two weeks at a time,
and a lot of these decisions that we make on
what to wear or what to buy to keep as
warm is going to be based upon the application and
what we're gonna use it for. But it can really
all start off Jim with really good hygien and nutrition

(06:12):
and hydration, and a lot of times people overlook this,
but when you look at your body and what your
body is supposed to do as far as regulating your
temperature and how our thermostat works, if you're starting off
with a body that's not hydrated well in your nutrition
is not good, then you're going up against the elements

(06:35):
and a shape and a form and a fashion that
more than likely Mother Nature is gonna use. And then
on the hunting side of things, especially, there's so much
debate with scin control and older and before we start
looking at whether we're gonna use a synthetic material or
a wool, or whether we're gonna have mid layers or

(06:55):
a shell. It's so important that hunters and those that
are going to be getting out and about for the elements,
whether they're just going to play in the snow or
going out to work on where anti perspiants come in
play with the powders or the wipes or just basic
things like the odorants, because all those cracks and crevices

(07:18):
that the body has is going to be areas where
not only bacteria and odor can start to create this
perfect environment. But when we start looking at how we're
going to stay warm, we've got to realize that we've
got to keep our body dry and a lot of
times we've got to run cool Jim. And what a

(07:38):
lot of folks will do, because they've not been educated
or don't have enough experienced in it, they'll bundle up
or actually put on too much clothing. They'll work up
a big sweat saturated and if you get your material,
you know, completely engaged with with sweat and perspiration off
the body, you're setting yourself up for failure, to lose

(08:02):
your heat and to get told up much quicker.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
And boy is that ever true with foot gear and
it plays into headgear and course that's what we need
to talk about here in depth later on in the
program about layering and why that's so important because a
lot of the questions we've had have been questions like,
you know, by the time I get to my dear stand,
I'm soaking wet. What I do about that? You know?

(08:29):
How can I prevent that? So we're going to get
into little things in a big way.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, we'll start just by people taking a good shower
bass no matter if you're getting ready to go on
a ten day expedition or you're just going to hunt
for a couple hours, you know, select some type of
anti person wipe or powder. The wipes have gotten to
be a little bit more popular and newer because you

(08:57):
can cover your entire body and it leaves a residual
layer for you and treat your feet before you put
your socks on, or before you start debating whether you
need synthetic or you need wool, before you even look
at the temperature to see whether or not it's twenty
six or negative twenty six, you've got to realize that

(09:20):
that moisture on your body needs to be wicked away.
And so before we get into clothing, it's so important
that such a simple step of using deodorant and types
of body powders or wipes where they can really come
into play, just wiping in between your toes and all
of the places and which those you know, sweat deposits

(09:43):
can develop. Because one thing that we've got to realize
is we build through this program, is that not only
are you going to come up with a kit of
clothing that will allow you to get out there and
deal with these elements. You're going to have to come
up with a system because as you get into more
aerobic activity, and as you start increasing your core temperature,

(10:08):
and as your heart rate goes down, all of these things, Jim,
are gonna make us sad our clothes. And that's why
it's so important that we understand how our layers will
work force when we're busy and active versus when we're
sitting and relaxing.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, those things always seem to come to the four
in cold weathers where it could make you miserable, but
we'll be talking about some hot weather applications as well
as we go through the program.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Probably the biggest question Jim that I get from people
is what the difference is between synthetic and wool based layers,
And your base layers are going to be really the
principle in the foundation of how you're going to be
able to deal with the other than the elements. And

(11:01):
sometimes people don't understand all the pros and the cons
with synthetics versus wool. But to talk to wool a
little bit over the last few years, especially in the
last three to four years, wool has really been able
to gain some innovations into technology and how we utilize

(11:22):
it and the sources of wool that we come from,
especially Marino. And for years wool was known as kind
of being scratchy or not real comfortable. People didn't tend
to like to have it up against the skin. But
you've got several companies that are out there now that
are producing some of the highest and the best quality

(11:43):
wool base layers that money can buy. And wool does
tend to have a little bit more expensive cost, And
one of the things that people need to realize is
if they're going to look on budget alone, wool most
time will cost you more money, where your synthetic base
layers are gonna be a little bit cheaper. And it's

(12:07):
gonna be important that folks will shop because when you
start putting these systems together with gear, you don't want
to necessarily go at it all at one time because
you're looking at such a huge expense that's coming to you.
But wool will also hold heat a little bit better
when it gets wetter, whether that's from rain or actual sweat,

(12:31):
to where your synthetic based layers will be able to
actually wit faster and dry faster than what wool does.
But one of the things that shines about wool, especially
in those hunts or those situations where you're going to
be camping or hiking for several days in a row
and not necessarily having the convenience of a washer or

(12:51):
dryer or being able to live out of a suitcase.
Wool has always been so well known for how it
fights older. And what we're getting at there is if
you wear something that's synthetic and you wear it all
day and it's a really sweaty and high endurance activity,
at the end of the day, you can smell that

(13:13):
and it's got some funk to it to wear a wolf.
Once it dries out, it will lose that older and
that's a huge thing, especially for whitetail hunters or anybody
that's hunting a game species that the scent is going
to be a concern to them.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yes, sir, and of course I'm a big fan of wool,
I said. We will mention some products. I'll use King
of the Mountain for years and years and years, and
it's a wool garments that if you're around wet conditions,
if you're caught in the rain, or if you're in

(13:50):
a duct boat for example, and you're apt to get wet,
they are just simply, in my mind, are very few
replacements for wool for that type of activity snow conditions
where it's easy to get wet is it takes your
body heat on and would melt if you're out in it.
So that's one reason I'm a big fan of Wolf

(14:10):
for many, many reasons.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, on your wool brands, you've got Sika, First Light,
Smart Wool, Darn Tough, a lot of your Eddie bauer
Ll Bean style clothing. A lot of times now they're
they're geared up more towards having a higher quality wool.

(14:35):
And what that what that wol's doing is really it's
just giving a little bit better comfort to the skin.
It's still having a lot of the same characteristics of
what it's always done. We've just been able with innovations
to not only make it to where it's more comfortable
to the skin, though, we're getting now to where the
care and the conditioning of wool is not as critical

(14:58):
as it used to be, but may note of it
whenever you make the decision to run with wool, it's
going to take some extra care. You're going to need
to listen and follow to what the manufacturer recommends as
far as how you dry it, how you wash it.
But where people tend to make a mistake with any

(15:20):
base layer, synthetic or wool is a lot of times, Jim,
they'll start off with the heaviest and the biggest base
layers that they can buy, and that is absolutely the
worst thing they can do. The most important thing that
people need to remember is when they start with their
first base layer, it needs to be very thin, whether

(15:43):
it's wool or whether it's a synthetic, because that first
layer that goes against the skin, its job is to
pull that moisture off of the skin and actually start
bringing it out to the exterior of the body. And
whether that's the exterior of the first layer that a
person has on all the way out to their jacket,

(16:04):
their bib, or their pants, we've got to find a
way in which we can extract that moisture and get
that moisture away from the body. Because the key thing
that people need to take away so far and what
we've covered is it's more important than ever when you
start putting these systems together to stay to stay dry,
but you want to run a little bit cool and

(16:25):
you want to be able to make it to where
you can build your layers up and add more and
take off layers when you need to.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yes, sir, and we'll dive into the various materials for
those basic against the skin items because they come in
a variety of different materials and that's something that will
certainly be discussed in depth because there's a lot of
choices out there. Scott, You've got a saying that I

(16:54):
love about buying outdoor year. I'd like you to share
it because it's speaks to the need to get quality
clothing if you're going to be in the outdoors.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, that is a quote this known to a lot
of people as buy once, cry once. We've all got
containers and garages full of clothing that we've had over
the years where we maybe tried to save twenty thirty
forty fifty dollars here or there, and it kind of

(17:27):
gets pushed to the wayside. Once you get some of
that pop in hunting clothing and you start upgrading and
getting better quality product. But it's so important for folks
to realize that if you will do your part as
a consumer and do your research not only on what
the best materials are to buy or the best pieces

(17:50):
to buy, you can also play the game of buying
things in and off of peak season. And how that works,
Jim is when the temperature is really, really really hot outside,
it's a really good time to buy your cold weather
gear and vice versa.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yes, sir, all right, Fox got to go to break
Here is presented by Mosel Properties. Check them out at
m O p h a r T Realty dot com. Scott,
let's start with what's on the bottom part. By that,
I mean what's next to the skin, that's the base layers.
And you know, I want to throw something in here
because it never ceases to amaze me how many people

(18:27):
I see in camping situations or when I'm in you know,
dear camp, duck camp, whatever the case may be, where
you as have got cotton long underwear. I mean, and
that stuff to me is just about next to worthless so.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Or a t shirtton cotton. This needs to be something
that does not need to make it into your suitcase
or your pack at all. And one of the good
things about any and all trips. I've never been on
any trip where we're having less was not a convenience.
And when we focus on riding ATVs or side by

(19:08):
side snowmobiles, going to the lake, going on a hunting trip,
you're trying to condense a lot down whether you're traveling
by an auto or plane, and some of these planes
we're not talking about commercial flights, even in the small
remote areas getting back and forth. And what cotton does
is that it just holds water like a sponge. And

(19:30):
unfortunately that water is our sweat. And a lot of
times people will think that we're only gonna sweat in
the summertime, but we're constantly sweating, especially as we begin
to build these layers. If we do not take and
shed our layers at the right time, you can have
some of the best jackets and bibs and pants and

(19:52):
boots that you can here and research and buy. But
if you start and that goes back to that foundation,
it's no different than building a house. If your foundation
is cotton, you are absolutely doing the worst thing possible.
And even when you get into the long johns that

(20:13):
have that grid square look or some type of indention
in the printing material. Those things can keep you warm
for a little bit of a time period, and it's
better than not having anything at all, to a sense
of that's all we used to have, or that's all
our budget used to allow us to do. But that wool,

(20:34):
especially as it's gotten better and softer and the marino
wool has improved, it feels a lot better against your body. It,
believe it or not. The wool and the synthetics that
are out there don't tend to shrink as much as
they used to because of the processes they go through.
So there's just no reason at all why folks shouldn't

(20:56):
be using synthetics or wool. Cotton should never be part
of the equation and summertime or wintertime dress for the outdoors, Yes.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Sir, let's talk about these bays and some of the
better options.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well, most people are gonna start with their feet, and
that's gonna be something that folks are always trying to
figure out, whether it's hot or cold, is how to
keep their feet warm or how to keep their feet
from sweating. And there's another twist to the baits layers
outside of the wool and the synthetic and that's gonna

(21:36):
be some of this battery operated clothing, and it's gaining
a lot of attention and it's gaining a lot of popularity,
but folks need to remember that when it comes to
the heated clothing, those things are gonna run off of
batteries and that's great, but that may not be something
that can last all day long. You may want to

(21:58):
swap out battery and a lot of times you'll hold
so much heat that you'll sweat and you'll defeat the purpose.
So starting from your feet and moving up through your
body and going to your head and your core, you've
got to remember too, on the layers and the material
that you're going to be using, that there's a purpose,

(22:20):
and different parts of your body are going to hold
different amounts of heat, and different parts of your body
are going to generate different amounts of heat, and where
we can lose our heat is going to be different
as well, depending on the time of the year and
what you can see a lot of times, especially when
you just look at genders, we know that females will

(22:43):
require or need a little bit more insulation out of
their base layers and need a little bit more insulation
period to stay warm because they don't run as well
in cooler weather as a lot of males do. So
when you're selecting your base layers and your clothing, when
you start to look at male versus female base layers,

(23:08):
a lot of that is not always based off of
a gender one fits all JIM and a lot of
these new based materials that are being produced and the
base layers that people have options to, they're not just
gender specific based on their cut. They're gender specific based
on what makes man and woman different. And it's very

(23:30):
helpful when females are utilized in the research and the
development of these clothing because of the feedback that they
can provide versus a male. And this is important to
us because ten fifteen years ago, we didn't have as
many options in children's clothing or in women's clothing, of

(23:51):
men's clothing, there's a lot of hand me down and
pass it off here you go stuff and people had
to make do with what they had. But on your
feet specifically, if you're looking at something to reduce the
amount of sweat on your feet and to pull it away,

(24:12):
one of the tips that we can give people is
that they will use a synthetic sock with a heavily
insulated boot, or they can use a wool sock with
a non insulated boot. And then we'll get in later
on the difference between some of our lace up boots
versus our rubber boots and as you move up through

(24:32):
your legs and your waist. The development of a lot
of these base layers, they've used a lot of convenience
to where you can actually take your lower and upper
base layers on and off without having to remove your exterior,
which we know as the shell. And so anybody's long

(24:55):
enough there does become a part and time during your
activity or or maybe during to change the temperature during
the day, even if it's in the elevation and what
you're hunting in or you're working in, that you need
to remove your base layers, and in order to do
that you have to remove everything well with the use
of zippers and buttons and bell crow and magnets and

(25:18):
everybody's got their own twist to it, you can actually
remove those base layers at a point in time, or
remove certain layers of your clothing based on the fit
and the function of how these systems have been developed,
and that creates a really unique situation because there's not

(25:38):
a whole lot of times where you can go out
there and hunt and maybe work, and you need to
take the time to change what you're wearing. All that
time can sometimes mean the difference between getting a job
done Jim or making the shot, and it carries over
to our extremities with our hands and our feet. It's

(25:59):
no different learning how to use synthetic versus well to
regulate our heat, and some things as simple as just
taking our gloves off that our our base layers are
taking our toboggan or our beaning, whatever we decide to
wear our hat. A lot of these ways in which
we put base layers and mid layers onto our bodies

(26:23):
and our frames, we've got to think about how easy
and convenience they are to remove. Because when we start
getting to the point where we're active, maybe we've been
setting down we've actually harvested something we've got to go
track it, or maybe we're on the move because we're
doing a spot in stock hunt. Maybe we're getting off
of the tractor and we're doing a little bit more

(26:44):
work in the field. If we're doing some conservation projects,
how you can vent in dump heat is just as
important as how you can capture and hold heat. So
base layers too, just like pants and jackets and tops,
they're now starting to come if they're not easily removable.

(27:04):
They're also starting to come where you have like a
quarter zip or a full zip, or you have zippers
in the legs, and all of these things are important.
And I'm sure through your travels and your hunts, Jim,
that there's been times that you need to retain your
heat and there's been times you need to get rid.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Of it, no doubt. Back to the sock situation, what
are the synthetic materials that you prefer in the synthetic
socks And I'm a fan of using synthetic with wool,
which provides kind of a double layer. What are your
thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Anytime that you start getting into your footwear and you're
gonna start dealing with layers, you've got to remember more
important than the material is you got to keep your
feet in a comfortable position to where they're not going
to blister up on you come a mess your feet
can really give you some troubles in the field. As

(28:04):
far as the synthetics go. When you use any of
the synthetic materials that are gonna have a little bit
more stretch in the spandexes and different things. Those are
also gonna help with the compression in and around your
calfs and up through your legs. A lot of times

(28:25):
I like to wear a sock that will go up
to my knee or above my calf because circulation is
so important. A lot of these blends and different companies
have different names for it, but a lot of the
synthetic socks that I'm gonna wear, they're gonna be extremely thin.
They're gonna be more of a compression style, and so

(28:47):
a lot of it will be like spandex or probably popelin.
You'll see too where a lot of your hybrid socks
are starting to come out, where people will have some
synthetic blends mixed in with wool. And what's your talking
about is doing layering. Layering is is good if a
person uses a thin enough synthetic material and they use

(29:09):
a quality wool sock to bring it towards and wix
out away from the skin and carries it through the boot.
Probably more important, Jim, with whether or not it's this
synthetic material or that synthetic material when it comes to
your feet is to make sure that you have extra
of any type of sock that you like, because it's

(29:32):
very easy to swap out and change socks, whether you're
on the trail or you're you know, midday at work,
you're taking a little taking a little break at lunch,
or if you're on a hunt to where you need
to just exchange those out. And I cannot stress how
important it is to keep your boots open and air floating,

(29:55):
not wearing them when you're done with the hunt or
any pulling or time during the work of being outside,
and you can allow your feet to breed and allow
your footwear to dry out. You were doing so much
to help with controlling that moisture down in the boot.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yes, sir, nothing. I'll give your feet cold quicker than
wet moist feet. All right, we got to go to
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(30:37):
And remember you never get soaked at SMI marine In
this layering we're talking about, let's talk about the mid
layer items that can do so much far in the
shells that come into that play.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
At midlayer section a lot of times is used to
gain heat heat forests. But as we go through our system,
a lot of times that mid layer will eventually be
out as our shell. And what we're talking about is
a shell is when you think about a pair of
pants or bibs, or a jacket or a parka A

(31:16):
lot of times how that clothing is treated and how
it can block the moisture of the snow or the wind.
When we start killing our layers, we start getting down
back into our mid layers and our base layers. And
where that that mid layer comes into play in a

(31:38):
material that a lot of folks overlook is fleece.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Of course, you've got your wool, you've got your synthetics,
you've got all of these different things that can happen here.
And and I'll and I'll tell you too, Jim, and
I'm sure that a lot of people have started to
practice this. For example, of that is a really important
piece that can be our exterior shell. But at the

(32:06):
same time, while we're trying to hold our heat. We
may have a jacket or something over that, and how
we trap our core body temperature and how we embrace
being able to keep that heat next to our body,
that's what keeps us comfortable and we're drawing and wicking
that moisture off of our body. So one of the

(32:28):
important things that you've got to at least put into
consideration when you go to select your mid layer is
how well will that mid layer take on the moisture
that's coming off of the body going to the first
base layer and then going to that midlayer. Because as
that moisture is pulled through and it moves away from

(32:51):
the body and it moves towards the exterior side of
this whole equation, that's what's going to allow us to
stay dry in mid layers. A lot of times, what
I see with folks is they'll they'll put their midlayer
on first gym and they won't have a good base layer.
And where we get at there is when people just
go and put on their thermals, and their thermals are

(33:15):
strictly up against their skin A lot of times because
they start there that walk to the stand or once
they get active and engaged in the work that they're
doing outside, they start to create a lot of sweat.
And when you look at your mid layer, you want
to be able to think about a way that it's
gonna be able to quickly dry, it's gonna be able

(33:36):
to let you have your heat when you need it.
But you also need to look at things of like
how you can dump heat as well, and that's gonna
be for like the upper section of the body. That's
where I like either a full zip or my preference
is a quarter zip upper top piece. That way, if
I start to walk, say, for example, we're going in

(33:57):
with our climber, or we're gonna I want to do
some kyote hunting, or we're doing a little bit of
rabbit or small game hunting. Is I start to feel
my body temperature increase, I can start to open up
those areas and those materials to where my body can
begin to vent. And if I can dump that heat,
the sooner that I can dump that heat, the quicker

(34:19):
that my body can respond, and as my body begins
to cool, I'm not sweating. Perspirations not as bad.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yes, sir, As you know from hunting and being around me.
You seldom see me without fleece. I love it is
that that layer that wits that away because it dries.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
So quickly and easily, and fleece is so cheap, you know.
It's there are different qualities in this material. But a
lot of times where folks will make a mistake is
they'll go in and they'll shop this clothing and these
base layers strictly in the hunting department where they'll look

(34:58):
just under camouflage clothing. And there's so many activities out
there that are so much more advanced in terms of technology.
Talk to the people that are skin and talk to
the people that are hiking, you know, all year around
and camping all year around, and start getting bits and
pieces and put it all together. Because the system and

(35:22):
the kit that you put together, Unfortunately for some folks,
it's not always going to be matching camouflage or matching colors.
And you may look like you've been to a recent
yard cell. But that's okay, and that never bothers me.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I'm just all about the comfort, all right, folks. Gotta
go to news break here. This break is presented by
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out their listings at m p h a r T
Realty dot com. Scott, we were talking about the mid layers,

(35:56):
and let's let's move towards a lot of other things.
The stuff here obviously bibs, suspenders, cover alls versus bibs, pants, jackets, parkas.
I'll let you kick it around however you think best.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
A lot of times the wind and the conditions in
which we go out in can have a big influence
on what we wear, how we wear it, even which
piece we put on first or last. And I think
over the last few years, as the industry in the

(36:36):
clothing sector has developed, they've listened a lot more to
their customers. And as pants have been developed, the waste
are a little bit higher, or you'll see where there's
extra material that's added to the tail of tops. A
lot of the bibs you'll see will have ren worsement

(37:01):
of elastic, or they'll be really tapered areas and special
cuts with how they design them. And a lot of
the materials now that have three and four a way
stretch will allow the person who's going out to face
the elements, whether it's in rain or cold or heat,

(37:22):
to allow that garment to more or less function with
them on how heat either needs to stay with them
or it needs to dipicipate. And that's going to be
where as you start to look into where a bib
may come into play or where a parka may come

(37:45):
into play. I'm a big believer in bibs for the
hunting and the working purpose because it gives me some movement,
It gives me some freedom that allows for my body
heat to somewhat be trapped. I don't get those natural
vs answer those passages of air that come through. And
it's the same way with a jacket versus like a parka.

(38:07):
That longer jacket tail that has been added is what
changes it over from just being a basic jacket or
a parka. And when we can block and eliminate jim
any of those places that wind or water can get
to us to impact us, then a lot of times
we can stay a whole lot warmer.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yes, sir. And something about bibs that I like a lot,
and we mentioned vests here A little bit of go
to of the things that I am a stickler about
is keeping my midbody protecting What am I talking about there?
The kidney area, nothing to me is worse than a

(38:52):
vest that doesn't go far enough down your back. And
bibs obviously are a great way to all that situation
and do a great job at keeping your kidneys warm,
because outside of your feet and your head, your kidney
area there on your lower back is a place that
once it gets cold here, you're pretty well done. I mean,

(39:15):
you're going to be misserable.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
And a lot of times people are almost wanting to
make a fashion statement. I've been in the field with
a lot of folks and picked up on some things,
and even in my experience just being around folks, you
normally don't think that forty six year old men are
going to be wearing suspenders, But I wear suspenders a

(39:39):
lot when I hunt now with my pants. Because a
lot of how you're fit and your function comes with
these articles of clothing. You don't need them necessarily to
fit you like you're getting ready to go to a
wards dinner. You need them to be able to fluctuate
with how your base layers and your mid layers are
going to not only go up and down, but the

(40:03):
ability to get these things on, and when we start
looking at the tree stand hunters particularly, there's a lot
of folks that really appreciate where just small slits or
small innovations like where their safety harness can go through
different types of clothing and they don't have to put

(40:25):
that safety harness outside the exterior of all of those layers.
It makes it really nice when there's buttons and different
types of magnets to where those straps can easily make
it through those garments, to whereas you add or take
off clothing, it allows you to connect and stay safe

(40:46):
in the stand. Also gim a lot of the areas
in which our knees, especially in our rear area and
our backs elbows, points of contact where a lot of
times moisture or ijection can give us some hurdles to
get through as we're in the field. The way that

(41:07):
these manufacturers have adapted and built these clothes, it's no
different than how some of these bass layers have occurred.
They'll reinforce the knees, or they'll add extra padding or
sometimes even have hybrid type materials where parts of the
garment will have some wind proofing or even some waterproofing.
And when we go to the field and we have

(41:29):
these bibs, and we have these pants, and we have
these jackets, no different than the sweat that we're trying
to manage and walk away from our body. Nothing will
get you any cooler than that moisture and that humidity
in the wind. And when all those things can align
and come together at the right times, it can get
into some pretty miserable conditions. And as you short through

(41:52):
which jacket or which bib or pant that you decide
to wear all of these parkas and such, the material
and how they're treated in the coatings in which they
have on the outside, pay really close attention to it,
because with your cold weather clothing, especially, a lot of
that is made to deal with the wind. It's made

(42:15):
to deal with the rain, and it's made to deal
with the snow and the ice. And sometimes when we
add those features that help block that stuff out, it
can create a garment that gets a little loud and
a little too noisy for the bowhunter.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, so what do you have some of your suggestions
for specially things like boat honey or like duck honey
in terms of bibs and pants.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
I think once you figure out what items you want.
As far as the features that you have, what's really
important is that you create a pack that allows you
to row or condense down your clothing to where when

(43:01):
you arrive to the stand or you get to the
blind or wherever you're gonna hunt, that you can maybe
possibly stand on a tarp. It may be that you're
going into a duck blind, it may be that you're
setting up for a cout hunt, but it's very important
that you pick materials that you can either get dressed
at the location and what you're gonna hunt, and or

(43:24):
make sure that you pick materials that are not gonna
collect a lot of the seeds or get torn by
how you enter exit in your hunting location. And what
we're getting at here is if you're gonna go into
an area that's full of cuckle burrs or beggar's life,
or if you're going into an area that's got a
lot of thorns, a lot of puncturing type style of vegetation,

(43:49):
your clothing is gonna be built to where it's either
gonna snag or pull and get through that with a
lot of damage, or it's gonna be designed to where
it's pretty much bulletproof and it's not going to impact
it at all. So when I start looking at these
types of clothing and how I'm going to put those
garments on or where I'm going to put them on,

(44:11):
a lot of it's going to be based upon really
getting dressed at the base of the tree for my
deer hunting purposes, and a lot of it is going
to be where I can get dressed at the blind
or inside of whatever area that I'm going to be
hunting in. That that's the secret of that running cold,
trying to stay dry. Now, if you're going to be

(44:33):
doing more small game style hunting, rabbit hunting, doing some
late season turkey hunting, what have you, that's where you
can kind of get away with a little bit less
because you're going to be constantly moving, or you're in
a state of hunting or whatever outdoor recreation like Tavid,
this you're doing where if you do get a little

(44:53):
bit of chill on you, it's easy just to kind
of get up and moving and relocating again to where
you can get your body temperture up and get quite comfortable.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yes, sir, of course, the kind of clothing, especially when
you're talking about pants or perhaps bibs for rabbit hunting,
bird hunting, et cetera. They're a lot more noisy and
don't really serve the same purpose as a deer hunter
who has to be quiet because deer are spooky late

(45:25):
in the year when it's cold, no doubt about that.
All right, folks, You got to go ahead, Scott.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
When you start talking about your clothing for a bowl hunter.
It's a whole lot different in what a what a
bowl hunter needs or someone who's gonna have close encounters
than say someone who's going to be using a rifle
or a style of honey where constant movement can still
be accepted by the game. And what we're getting at

(45:54):
there is those fleeces and wolves. They'll tend to have
a lot better character six as far as being quiet
for those that are going to get out with stick
and string and chase the white tails or any other game.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yes, sir, all right. Got to go to break care, folks.
This was presented by SMI Marine. Go see them and
take great care. You remember you never get soaked by
my friends at SMI got. Two of the things that
really come into play, especially when you're cold, is your
hands and feet and well that's that's a subject that

(46:33):
a lot of us come up against and one that
I know you give a lot of thought to rubber
versus leather. The type of head gears is vitally important.
Let's dive into that.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Yeah, we'll talk hands first, because they're a little bit
easier to keep comfortable and warm. But our hands are
so important to us along with our feet. But where
our hands really come into are really important feature with
what we do in our activities, such things as like

(47:06):
three points of contact, or being able to feel the
safety or to put our finger on the trigger. When
we load our fingers up with extra bulk, a lot
of times we will create not only a situation where
our accuracy is impacted, but a lot of times our
safety of not only for ourselves but the people that

(47:28):
are around us. And that's something that we always want
to take in the consideration. And over the years, any
of the wasteband style or jackets or park us and
how pockets have been developed where we can utilize some
of the chemical reactions. A lot of people are going
to be familiar with the brand of like hot hands,

(47:51):
and we can put those in different pockets of our
pants or our jacket, it's easy for us to touch
up our hands with some heat there and as far
as equipment and gear with our hands. While many folks
will think that carbon and different types of padding and

(48:12):
materials are really kind of getting overpriced there when folks
are hunting in areas that tend to see a lot
more cooler weather than what we have here, that touch
that sensation of being able to grab something that is warm,
and that's where carbon has so many advantages over metal

(48:34):
and aluminum that can come into play as well as
far as how people pick or select their gear. Moving
on to your feet, we really got to understand that
using a small piece of carpet or even a piece
of foam, where we can put that on a tree stand,
put it on the ground in whis the blind that

(48:55):
we're in, Anything that we can separate where are feet
or touching where cooler temperatures is being transferred through the material,
whether that's rubber or leather. Those layers there help us
as well. And a lot of the hunter safety system

(49:17):
name and products over the years have been known to
hunters because of the fall restraint systems, but hunter safety
systems just recently come out with a really good cover
that goes over your feet and your footwear once you
get to where you're going. It allows for you to
put a couple of those hot hands or hot toes
or whatever brand you want to put in there to

(49:39):
help control and insulate your feet. Those layers help really well.
Sometimes folks will even just take a sleeping bag to
a deer stand and put that up around their feet
and kind of bring it up to their waist and
that works out really well. Gators help extremely well where
you can actually cut off off the loss of that

(50:01):
heat when you use a rubber or a lace up boot.
And a secret that a lot of folks may be
able to pick up on it may help them. When
you wear a rubber boot. A lot of times people
think that your pants or your bibs are supposed to
be put down into that boot. But with the leg

(50:22):
zippers of your pants and your bibs and how those
cuffs work and how that material is cut, when you
can put that material over the top of your boot,
that allows for that heat that is escaping through your
boot to shoot kind of right up through your legs
and your bibs. And I see a lot of hunters
and people out sometimes where they'll tuck everything down into

(50:44):
the boot when actually all of those layers should be
going over the top of the boot.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yes, sir, and that's especially a big deal with a bulkye.
Some of the outer garments are, for instance, the bibs
that we were talking about and some of the heavier
duty pants. It's just essential that you not get too

(51:10):
bound up, because that's what causes you in many cases
get cold. Sizing is something that I guess we ought
to mention here too, because I tend to one will
have rather have clothing a little too loose than any tight.
Tightness is something that will kill circulation and doesn't allow

(51:32):
you to trap air, which is of course very important
to keep in your body warm. Well.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
That air is going to be your best friend when
you can use it as an insulator. When you can
trap that good air, that will allow for circulation, which
is very important not only of your blood but also
of airflow. Gortex gets a lot of credit sometimes for

(52:00):
being breathable, especially when you start moving in to waterproofing
rain style gear, but we also need to remember that
fit of your boot, the fit of your bibs, your pants,
anything around your waist, anywhere that you're constricting your circulation
where you're constricting how the airflow can work. When that

(52:25):
cycle is broken, most of the time, that leads to
negative impacts and negative effects of what you're doing. And
if you're not buying a pair of boots two or
three sizes too big than what your regular every day
where is, when you're not putting together your layers and
building stuff up, give it a try, because the reason

(52:46):
that we're putting this program on the night is so
that folks can be safe and comfortable and stay warm
when they're out and about during this weather.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Jim, yes, sir, And it can be brutal out there,
all right, folks, got to go new break. This break
is presented by Massiel Properties Heart Realty. Paul Thomas is
the broker there. He's a hunter, he's a fisherman. He
knows the kind of properties you're looking for, and he
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Check them out at mop h A r trealty dot com. John.

(53:20):
One of the more important items that outdoor folks need
is rain here. And there's rain here, and there's rain here,
there's cold weather rain. Hear, there's hot weather rain here.
Your thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Probably some of the best ring gear that we can
get is a shelter, whether that's going to be cedar
trees or some of these prefabricated lines that are commercially
produced or something that we build. But not all of
us are going to have that availability, whether we're out

(54:01):
working or in the boat, or we're hunting. I mean,
there's so many different ways in which we can push
some of these weather elements to the side and put
things into our advantage. Where rain gear gets to be
such an important conversation piece is when you skip out
on some of the higher quality materials of rain gear.

(54:25):
A lot of times what can happen, not always, but
a lot of times is that rain suit will actually
make you sweat more underneath it and you'll get from
the rain gear instead of the rain. So it's been
probably the hardest piece of gear to recommend to people

(54:48):
over the years when it comes to rain gear, how
it can or it cannot help. Gortex has definitely got
its advantage over some other material. Some of the treatments
are put on the clothing now that sometimes seals the material,
which takes away from its breatheability. My pointer Jim when

(55:11):
it comes to rain gear, is fine rain gear that
not only fits, but has the ability to be taken
off and stowed away very quickly when you don't need it,
because that's one of those pieces of gear that you
don't want to leave on for an extra five minutes
or fifteen minutes because it can have the reverse effect

(55:33):
of what you're trying to do. It's almost like the
diminishing return of rain gear. But rain gear is always
gonna get into your budget a little bit because the
rain tends to fall three hundred and sixty five days
a year in different locations, and it's a little harder
to catch your ring gear on sale than it is
to catch some of your other other items. But that

(55:55):
being said, don't overlook some of the non hunting rain
suits because they'll come in a lot of solid colors,
and those being greens. Sometimes they'll do some browns, and
as long as you'll do your part when you're hunting

(56:15):
and camouflage isn't the main priority of what you're needing
to accomplish with your exterior piece. A lot of these
fishing companies that create waterproof gear will beat out kind
of what's offered in the Hunting line of clothing and
Haley Henson and a few others. Columbia does a really

(56:37):
good job most of the time of creating some really
good ring gear. And ring gear is one of those
things too that you're going to utilize it in your
boat and in your car, in and out in the
field as far as working, and it never hurts to
have a good packable exterior shell of rain gear. I
don't like to get into the big insulated pieces unless

(56:59):
we start really getting into some of the specific waterfowl items,
because that shell can do everything that you needed to do,
and your layers underneath confunction as they need to.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yes, sir, and I'm just like you. Rain gear is
such a headspinner in summer regards because a lot of
people tend to move towards the rubbery type of rain
gear like you see and many guards. But that stuff
will make you sweat, really sweat, and that's a problem

(57:35):
if it's if you're getting involved with cold weather, because
it just doesn't work out real well. Conversely, stuff like
frog dogs, you know, those light impactable type of rain
gear that you were talking about, those really come into play,
like during fishing season or anytime maybe as a backup

(57:57):
if you're caught out. I tend to keep that stuff
in truck all the time so that I can throw
it on in case I do get caught out in
a situation where I might have had to call the
dogs go home. For lack of a better way to
describe it.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Rain gear is one of those things too. If you
can find a set that you like, not only buy
a second set of it to keep one in the boat,
or one in the truck, or one in the side
by side or your pack or whatever. Rein gear tends
to change a lot, Jim, and over the years, if
there's one point of advice I can give the people,

(58:34):
once you get to your full grown stage and you
know that you're pretty much going to be in this
size or that size for the rest of your life,
when you find good gear, don't be afraid to go
back and buy the exact same thing and put it
up and keep it well somewhere, because about the time
that you wear that good gear out, you'll go back
to try to replace it with exactly what you got,

(58:57):
and sometimes it's not there.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
That's a very common problem. All right, folks, I'm gonna
take a quick break here. This break was presented by
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(59:22):
at SMI Marinet. We mentioned hats a little bit earlier.
Hats or another thing. There's all kinds of hats that
sort of all kinds of purposes. Let's discuss them a
little bit and the different styles of what they can
provide because they're a big consideration.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Actually, rmal imaging will allow you to realize that the
heat is going to escape the body quicker through the
heads and just about any other place and the heads
of pretty tough situation when it comes to hunting and working,
and some of that comes back to safety again. And

(01:00:07):
what we're going to get at there is when you're
hearing is restricted, that can take away a huge advantage
for you whether you're working or trying to hunt. A
lot of times the bill of a style of a
hat is overlooked. Another thing that folks have gotten away

(01:00:29):
from that. I would like to see us advocate more
for believe it or not, is the use of helps
and furs that come from game animals, and you start
taking and dealing with having a cool nogging or melling
up there, and you want something to stay warm and
you don't want to have a tremendous amount of bulk.

(01:00:52):
You can really learn a lot from your trappers, because
even a trappering this section of the United States, a
lot of them will import or gets some some seal hides.
They'll look at otters and beavers, and of course we're
all familiar with raccoons and stuff, and a lot of
times animal furs and hides are are laughed at by

(01:01:15):
by folks and think those are petty and just meant
for kids to run around and act like Daniel Boone
and Davy Crockett in. But I can't stress enough to
people how important it is to understand what God and
Mother Nature provides a lot of these wild animals. And
we haven't talked about it tonight, but cost wise, it

(01:01:39):
can it can get price he depending on the grade
of the height or the fur. But I just can't
stress enough on how animal pelts and furs are overlooked
when it comes to the head area Jim.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Yes, sir, and on like fishing hats for example, it's
very important to protect your ears from sun damage. That's
an arena where too many of us, myself included, I
tend to put on a ball cap and forget that
you need to protect yourself. And obviously I use sunscreen

(01:02:12):
is an augmentation, but that glaring sun has a lot
of damage to it and you really need to protect
against it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Yeah, And as we talk to about moving through the
cool weather style hunting and clothing, sunshades on rifles in
different ways and you can dissipate the light coming through
both sites, the shine and machine that can give you
away where that sun can sometimes hurt us. Don't ever

(01:02:44):
forget that when you look at the sun and you
start thinking about what color you're going to select your
clothing or your camouflage and cold weather's coming into play,
that sun will radiate a whole lot more heat when
you're in a darker color clothing than something that's a
lighter color clothing, for example a white, a khaki, or

(01:03:08):
some shades of the lighter grays. If you compare that
when you're wearing it something maybe in comparison like a
darker black or a darker brown. A lot of times
just the colors in what you wear can help radiate
a whole lot of heat for you. And don't ever
be afraid to put yourself out there a little bit
and capitalize on what's coming free as far as mother

(01:03:32):
Nature's heater.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Yes, sir, we were talking a bit about duck hunting
and the new innovation in waiters is something that's really
pretty amazing, and I think we need to speak to
that because that used to be a real problem. It
was too easy to get cold and wet inside even

(01:03:56):
though you weren't wet on the outside from waiters.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
The best for last, breathable waiters over the last five
to ten years have made leaps and bounds with their improvements.
And nothing against k neoprene. And we're not talking about
which ones are the most abrasion resistance, but when you
start trying to get clothing stoved down into bibs or

(01:04:24):
coveralls or waiters, it can become a bit of a
nuisance and a problem, and your flexibility, your maneuverability, your balance,
everything can get off well. These flexible waiters now are
known as these breathable waiters, and so you can do
your job, and some of them come insulated and you

(01:04:45):
can build your insulation layers up underneath them. But when
you're in that water where you were used to for years,
if you've never given a pair of try where that
kneoprene was harder to get on and harder to get off,
and maybe it hurts you a little bit with bending
down or getting in and out of the boat or
in and out of the blind. The material allows you

(01:05:05):
to be a lot more vulnerable as far as being
able to flex and get around instead of just walking
around like the Michelin man. It gives you some freedom
and that freedom can do a lot of things for you.
Is like we talked about on the circulation, the airflow
of the safety, all that works to your advantage. But
one thing that the breathable waiters have also brought to

(01:05:29):
us and it just keeps being a trend in this
conversation Jim as as we're paying for a lot of
this stuff and folks that haven't got out and priced
waiters here recently. It's a big sticker shock. So it's
important as we bring information to the listeners that we

(01:05:50):
can shop and read online and deal with catalogs and
the modern age and way in which we tend to
buy a lot of things. But want to take a
minute just to brag on and explain the importance of
having a good store to go to and how important
customer service is and how important it is to go

(01:06:14):
and try things on and not wait till the last minute.
As we move through this modern technology and the ways
in which we shop, there's a lot of things that
are taking away when all you have as a click
or the Www to buy off of. So support your retailers,
support your stores that are in and around your areas,

(01:06:35):
and value good customer service so that you can go
in and spend your hard armed money on top quality gear.
But also be conscious and mindful enough that there's nothing
wrong with buying use clothing, and there's nothing wrong with
taking and putting together a little hodgepodge of what works

(01:06:58):
for you over the years. Because no matter if it's
army here people swear by, or the old Mickey Mouse boots,
or some people like this brand or that brand a boot,
one thing about it. When you can keep yourself comfortable
and you can and you can move around and get
out there more, it's going to allow you to not

(01:07:19):
only work in these conditions more but fish and hunt
these conditions and do the outdoor recreational activities all we
want and to close out. Please don't overlook for young
kids how important it is to keep their feet in
their hands and their heads protected and their body warm

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when it comes to getting them engaged in active and
cooler weather hunting and fishing activities because we want to
keep them outdoors, not keep them from going out because
they had a bad experience. And on that one, Jim,
I'm just going to plug the importance of a good
old set of coveralls that cover the top and the
bottom of the body. And don't send a kid down

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in a pair of boots that would freeze your toes off.
You know, make sure that if you're going to do
anything us as adults, we can drunt and grind through
it a little bit harder and better than what those
younguns can or someone that we're exposing to the outdoors.
So if you haven't realized this, it's just a warning
and it's a helpful message that if folks have a

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bad and unpleasant experience going out to the field their
first couple of times or the first time there's a
really good chance that there's a high probability that they
won't come back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Yes, sir, you mentioned something earlier in the program that
has been a real asset for me when I've had
youth out, particularly deer hunting and at times in the
duck blind, and that is to utilize the sleeping bag.
That is an excellent, excellent suggestion you made there, because
that does so many things for a child. It keeps

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the whole body warm, if you can keep the feet warm.
If they don't really have great boots, they can actually
slip out of their boots with a decent pair of
wool socks and keep warm inside that sleeping bag and
a deer blood.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Yeah, and don't over overlook that sleeping bags are cheap.
You know, you can get a sleeping bag anywhere's from
ten dollars to a few hundred dollars if you want
to go that route. And it's just that extra layer.
It's a way in which that air can be retained
and it helps insulate them. It's no different than our

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value of our house or any other thing that we're
trying to keep protected. And to talk to of just
being safe and precautious, everybody should always carry and have
two to three different sources of a fire starting method
whenever you go out, whether it's to work or to

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get on the river to duck hunt or jump up
in a deer stand, because at any given time, conditions
can arise where a thunderstorm pops up, or we take
a fall of something could happen to us to where
the temperature drops and we're unable, we're immobilized, where we
can't get back to where we started from or even

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signal for help. And sometimes folks laugh at that boy
scout method of always being prepared, but cold weather is
nothing to mess with. And to have the ability to
create fire and what that does to you psychologically and
mentally if you ever are stranded, and what it can
do to keep you alive should never be overlooked.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Yes, sir, that's that's very well said. And also for
the children, these propane heaters, there's a lot of ways
to keep a child very very comfortable in a blind.
The handwarmers you mentioned, the footwarmers in their boots, there's
just a lot of little things like that. It amazes
me how many people don't utilize propaine in these ground blinds.

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For the kids.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
There's a lot of difference in people and how they
hunt these days, and not everybody's gonna have the option
to go into an enclosed blind. But even on a
really cool day, a lot of these blinds are darker
in color. They're a earth tones, darker khaki or a
brown or a black, and goes back to that radiating heat.

(01:11:22):
A lot of times you can step into those box blinds,
gyms or homemade you know, shooting houses, and because of
the color that they are and how well stilled they are,
there'll be thirty or forty degrees difference between the inside
temperature of the blind and the exterior temperature before you
even far up to mister Buddy Heater.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Yes sir, all right, folks, Well that's kind of a
roundabout again. Scott and I've had these questions from a
lot of listeners through time, and hopefully we've shed a
lot of light on it tonight. Again, we're talking from
lives of field experience, and hopefully this has been a
helpful program to help you better enjoy the outdoors, which

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is what we're all about. All right, folks, We'll be
back here next week, same place, same time. Stay safe,
Stay warm, God bless everybody,