10-22-23 - Martinus Jackson Hour 2

On tonight's show, Jim interviews professional crappie guide Martinus Jackson about fall crappie fishing. Check Martinus out on Facebook at Martinus Jackson.

Episode Transcript

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Walked up five, put on mycamouflage, wiped off two forty three,
and fired up my dog. Andit helps my dear stand back in the
Pine's gonna give me a ten pointbug with eleven inch time. I'm a

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back was born, grew up ona dirt road. I'm my back was
born. No better place to go, waiting on the dear wish and a
start along and be true to mybar. I'm my back was born a

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buck dude and walking back to JimStrager Outdoors and I have the program tonight.
We're talking to Martinez Jackson hammer SmithJackson Guide Service. He hails from
Gray, Georgia. You can checkMartinez out on Facebook at Martinez Jackson and

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Martinez is spelled m A R TI n U S. Martinez Jackson.
Hey Martinez, UH for the break. We were talking a little bit about
some of your travels and where youfished. You shared with me while we
were fishing. You started when youwere a kid about three years old,
catching brim and what have you ona cane pole, graduated up in zep

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Co thirty three and it was jameon from there. That's it. I's
see it now, Martinez the Crappiefishing course down there. You all call
him crappy and yeah in nomenclature,but uh, that's right you again.

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Lake Oconey is kind of your homelake, explained from your travels. What
makes so Coney special Because the numbersof fishing that lake, to me are
really astounding. I started fishing itwith our mutual friend Bill Evans, yes,
four or five years ago, andI've been amazed at the number of

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fishing, the quality of fish,especially in the fall in the spring.
Oh yeah, they get we don'thave super huge fish, but we also
don't have super small fish. AndI'll tell you what. Like you say,
the number of fishing Leocny is fasterand um called, in my opinion,
just a number of fish. Wellfor folks to get a perspective,

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and I want you to correct meif I'm wrong. Fished over there one
day here about a week ago,and the number of fish you caught was
in the hundreds. Is that correct? It was two hundred and thirteen.
That's just I ft at o'clock andI three every single fish, bak.

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That's just unbelievable. And Martinez,so people can get a handle on how
educated you are about crappy. Bythat, I mean how dedicated you are
to that sport. How many waypoints do you have on Lake Oconey alone?
I have eleven hundred way points onlec Oconne. That's just crazy crazy.

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But you know what's cool about thatis and this, folks, there's
hint hint number one. And I'vesaid this my whole life, Martinez.
When you want to learn a lake, you got to scout the lake.
If you go out, you're gonnacatch fish right out of the box.
You're just dead wrong. Yeah,it doesn't work like that fun fishing or

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tournament fishing. You gotta do awhole lot of homework. Yes, sir,
Well, let's talk about fall croppiehere. That's the reason I've got
you home tonight. Martinez says.There's a lot of ways to catch them,
but let's start out by talking aboutthe fish and what they're doing right
now, because what's happening there ishappening all across the country, really especially

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in the southeast. Talk about whatdoing the transition and what you're looking for
right now. Well, I'm stillfinding a couple of good fish about the
About close to a month ago,I started noticing that you know, they
start feeding up on shad pretty good. I got some places that I have

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on some river channel ages. Andas you start to look around and see
at some different rates, when youwhen you're lfscaping or you got your lfscape
a way to figure out the fishis starting to suspend a lot of times
you'll get to one of your spots, a pinpoint you got or away point
you got per se, and youlook at it and you ever notice,
you know, during the summer months, the hotter months before they get ready

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to transition, you'll see those fishactually on the structure. But like now,
what I'm seeing a lot of iswhen you look at the fish.
A lot of times, if you'lltake that luscope and just look around about
I guess say fifty to one hundredfoot before you get there, you'll see
one or two fish sitting out,you know, in the middle of nowhere,

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and those once you get to seeingthat and seeing those fish, you
know around that spot that you actuallyhave mark that's starting to show sign that
those fish are getting ready to leadthe trees and the stumps and bushes and
brush piles and all that good stuff. And the key to this, of
course, is is bake fish movement. Talk about that and what you're you're

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looking for right now and what youexpect going forward. Yeah, like I
say, finding a bunch of baitand the bends of river channels and ledges
and stuff like that. Actually,I went down to Lake Chalkin and a
lot of those fish are already suspendedaround bait, you know, chasing bait
and stuff like that, especially earlyon first one to three hours of the

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day. You know, you cancatch some Roman fish up here in Georgia,
but in Florida they have been roamingall day long. But something else
that I found, Like I noticedthat a little bit of the bait starting
to move back into the creeks uphere in Georgia versus where the baits that
moved all the way out to thecreek channel ledges where I'm finding a fish

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at down in Florida. Yes,sir, so, Yes, up here
in my region, our fish aremoving up a bit and there they're in
about twelve to fifteen foot of wateron brush piles. Yeah, that is
gonna be a better fish. Andthat's that's what we're seeing right now.
And I think it from what wedid that corresponds down there as well.

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Correct, Yeah, yeah, sir. Just like when we went up in
that little cove and we fished,and you know, it was in some
of it was in tein foot ofwater. There was some decent fish in
tein for the water. And alot of people say, you know,
they think crappy moved to deeper waterwhen it gets hot, and they think
they moved to you know, fromdeeper to shallower, you know, according

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to what the weather is. Butto be honest with you, I don't
think a beat fish actually moves awhole lot. I honestly don't. I
don't think you know, like it'slike, you know, a tournament fisher,
if they catch a fish across thelake and they put that fish back
in the water, that fish isgonna actually, if that fish survies,
then that fish is gonna call whereyou almost turn him a loose at.

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He's gonna find the first piece oftimber probably and stick back to it or
dock or lay down or whatever.He comes to a bridge, you know,
he's not gonna swim ten miles acrossthe lake to go back to the
tree you taught him orful right,right, right? Yeah, So Martinez
and you know. One thing Itry to share with people for lack of

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a better way to describe it,and this is true of black and white
crappy, and we're gonna talk aboutboth species a bit, but is that
they do follow bait fishing around.I mean, in other words, have
you got have you got no?Go ahead? I'm sorry no. I
guess what I'm trying to say isat certain times a year they'll fallow bake

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fish round, almost like white mass. Oh yeah, if you that's one
thing about crappy fishing. I don'tcare what kind of crapt trolling or whatever
you're doing, shooting doc. Ifit's no bait there, it's no fish
there. They're just like us.We're always hungry, so we're not too
far from something deep, yes,sir, so yes, sir. And

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I noticed with you when we hitspots you were looking for bake first,
croppy second. Yeah. Yeah,that's right. So that's that's kind of
he's a big key there. Allright, folks, I'm gonna do a
quick break here. Coming back frombreak, we're gonna talk to Martinez Jackson
Hammersmith Jackson Guide Service about about howto locate these crappie and the different ways

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you can catch them in the fallof the year. This break is presented
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and Georgia, which is one ofmy frequent haunts because of our mutual friend
Bill Evans. Hey Martinez for thebreak. We were talking about how these
fish start to transition. Let's continuethat conversation if we can about you know
where you're finding them now and whatyou expect to see going forward and have

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folks and capitalize on it. All. Right, But yes, I start
to look for fish to start comingoff the trees and coming off the brush
piles and stuff like that, anda lot of times if you just want
to get out there and go looking, like I say, I like I

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like river channels, ledges and flatsand flats being a little bit shallower about
fifteen foot, Like if you finda bend in the river channel and it's
a place closer over to the bankwhere the river channel gets kind of close.
A lot of times, like thot, I would side scan those dots
with my I have a garment onetwenty six twelve inch grabh on my console

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and out side scanning those dots.Sometimes those crappy. It depends on the
whether they'll push up once they suspendfrom the creek channels back up depending on
the weather of the baramac pressure,and they'll get up under the dots.
And a lot of times, youknow, adults shooters, that's when they
like to shoot dots, you know, around this time of year, the
water cools off and the fish willpush back up under the dots. But

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a lot of times you don't startfinding those schools, you know. Sometimes
it's small schools with you know,five fish, twenty fish, thirty fish.
I've even seen you know, upto fifty fish. But just like
I tell anybody when your lives cauting, if you just out there fine fishing,
but you want some really good fishlooking at it, you want to
find something like five fish or less, then it'll be a bigger fish.

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When you go to getting watts andons and watts, a fish will quickly
see that it's less at the sizeis smaller than when you get a big
school. And the way I liketo catch them, I've controlled before had
I had a trucker paying fish andthere was a sixteen forty eight I started
out trolled. That was five yearsago, and I used to troll six

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trots out the back and two outthe sides and run the troller motor off
the front, and I run twodouble, one thirty second ounce jeets with
eight I run. Some people don'tlike it. I used to run eight
pounds, mister crappy. Now Irun six pounds and four pounds K nine
line, and I troll those legendswith those geeks at about zero point seven

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miles prior. That gets those jeetsdown there about roughly seven ten foot deep,
and you know, you get alittle bit of wind, you know,
you might bump it up the onemile prior to keep those baits swinging
in the same thing. And Ilike to run double jeets because I think
it gives you double amount of youknow, the action down there, and
then you know, spread it outaccordingly and you can sweep thirty thirty depending

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on your spacing, thirty to fiftyfoot wide paths when you're going back and
forth and that's putting. Let's seetwelve twenty baits and so you know through
a whole water column that gives youa good chance at sweeping you a couple
on in, you know, makeyou a couple passes past it. You
don't if you're not catching no fish, you're not seeing no bait. I

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just assume as you pick up andmove. And another thing, like I
said, shooting dots right past youa couple of dots a lot of times.
If I, like I said before, on another shade, if you
see some old rod holders or somethingon a dot, you know, ride
on up past it, side stayingit, look up under it. You'll
be able to see. If it'sa wooden dock, you'll be able to

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see, you know, the columns, and then you'll see the fish hanging
out on the end of it.One it's really stacked up, you know,
turn around, look up under itand make sure it's no braces that
you can get hung up on.Which shooting dots in Georgia you get hung
up a lot. And I shoota mister Ricky sugar bug one twenty four
or one thirty second. And myfavorite color is the black, white,

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yellow and use that, and Ilike to shoot dots four pound. I
get a whole lot better shot withfour pounds. And a lot of fishermen,
you know, they might frown uponfour pound, but I'm here to
tell you you can sling. Tome, you can sling that four pound
with a thirty second out of jig, a whole lot better than you can
sling something like a one twenty four. And some people like the spot,

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yes, and some people like thespider rig, you know, the same
way like I'm pulling jigs. Theypush minos, the double rig minos,
and that's another very effective way toget your fish. And most people,
you know, they got the doublemillennium seats now where you and your buddy
can sit up there and watch therods. He's got four, you got
four, or he's got two andyou got two and push minos. And

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I push. When I push minows, I use sometimes I use a three
quarter ounce weight or either a halfounce weight. If I'm using a half
ounce weight, I'm showing that aboutpoint six points. I'm sorry, I'm
showing about point five point six.And if I use the three quarter ounce,
then I can even bump all theway up to close to around a

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mile prior to keep your lines,you know, straight down, and I
fish them anywhere from when it getslater in the fall to the winter,
and those they start to push onout towards the river channel and I'm catching
a little even a little bit biggerfish. You know those fish when you
see them on luscope, if anyof y'all have watched it, the bigger
fish are going to be one singlefish. And I have seen them all

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the way up to look like acouple of inches up under the water.
I even watched the video last yearof a guy that scooped up like a
two sixty eight up in a milkcrate because he was sitting he was sitting
still dead up there in the middleof nowhere, and he eased up with
it and put the milk crate inthe water and scoop the fish up.
That's how high. And you know, you would never think that if they

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sits that high in the water column, but they do. And a lot
of times, you know, peoplethat spidery, you know, they don't
spidery that high up in the watercolum unless it's spawning season. And you
know, like the boys over inMississippi Beer somewhere down there in Florida on
some grass mats. That's pushing ittwo three four five at the max five
foot deep wherever here most people arespider egging anywhere from five to fifteen foot

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deep. Uh Martinez, Let's let'sreturn if we can to the controller here
for a minute, because a lotof folks do that, and there a
lot of people do that. Whatare the tips you have for that right
now? Going forward? What thetarget and what you like the troll is?
What are your go to baits?Well, that's a fella out here

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named Steve Deson. He has somesome curly tail jeeps that I like to
use, and he has some reallygood hooks. And that's a fellow down
in Cordial. Everybody pretty much knowshim. His name's Curtis Hawks and he
makes light wire. You did,and that's just in case. You know,
like a lot of people like topull around timber, if you get

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hung up, then you know thehook or set up there and it'll bend
straight and then you know you ain'tgot a rod getting broke or something like
that. And if you control doubleslike I do, then that bottom g
gole if you only got hung onone, it'll pull itself loose and you
can keep on going, pull thatrod in and retired, and you know,
just keep going so forth and soon. Okay, And what kind

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of areas do you target right now? What are you looking for? Like
I say, I'm always on ledgesthat sweep over kind of close to the
bank, and then it comes ina river channel being you know, I
work one and then or before Iever even put out my lines, you
know, I'm gonna go through there. I'm gonna see if there's any bit
there. I'm gonna look and seeif I see any you know, suspended

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fish through there on my lfscope.And when you see them, you know,
you'll see a cloud of them,and then if it's a lot of
them, it'll cast a shadow downonto the bottom of the lake and you
know that school of fish. Andyou know, I just kind of troll
through there and I see some singlefish and then you know, I just
that when I start putting out lines, and I'll make three, four or

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five passes. You know, Ifigure in twenty thirty minutes so fishing this
one area stretch of ledge, andI go to the other side and you
and you fish there for thirty minutes, no body, that's when it's time
to pack it up and leave thatarea and go find you some more fish.
Very good, So we'll get backto that a break. But that

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fishing with Martinez Jackson. You cancheck him out on Facebook. Martinez.
That spelled m A r I nUS Jackson. Hey Martinez, uh hey,
talking about the trolling technique, whendoes that kind of become a go
to situation in your mind for mostpeople in the fall talk temperature range,

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If you would fall temperature crappy,I'm pretty sure it gets pretty good when
the water gets a lot of peoplesay below seventy, but I think it
gets really good when the water tempogets about sixty sixty five. That's that's
normally when you start to get abunch of roaming fish, and that's when

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the fall crappy season really starts asvery first kickoff, okay, And returning
to the baits that you use forthat trolling techniques again, where the channels
meet the flats, where are thesizes and your thoughts on that one more
time. I started to like tolook in the river channel leg and on

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ben's in the river channel that comeclose to the docks and stuff like that.
The depth rings that I'm always lookingfor is anywhere from like ten to
maybe twenty is foot and that's thepull jeeks in. And I like to
use, like I was saying earlier, I like to use a curly tailors
jig or some people call them tripleripples. And I like to use double

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one sixteen thounced heads. And uh, sometimes I use lightwire hooks, sometimes
I use a regular steel hook.Okay, all right. And as the
season starts to progress, when itgets that way, obviously some fish start
to push up towards the flats andup here. You know, I'm talking

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about big lakes like Kentucky Lake,Lake Barkley more like, uh, some
of your bigger flattered lakes down inGeorgia. When do you start looking for
those fish to move up on thestone up beds in that kind of area,
and what baits do you try toutilize at that time? And again

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talk temperature all right about when theystart to move up on stumps and stuff.
I'm normally looking in because you know, now fish are coming off of
structure. But once fish move upon the structure is it's about and may
in the june, you know,in five I find them in five ten

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foot of water maybe yeah, aboutten foot of water, and I'm using
a twelve foot typhoon by hh rotsand reels, and I'm using a one
sixteenth thounce weight with a tunks thenthree sixteenth weight on the top of that,
because I'm just looking for, youknow, one single fish sitting on
top of a stump or maybe itmight be sometimes it's even something small as

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a little branch. And I droppedit down to them, and there's black
crappy up here. Some people mightcatch them. What you all dead sticking,
And that's dropping it straight down onthe me myself, I like to
make a little bit of a swing. It always looks like that bait reacts
a little bit better when I pitchit out to him, and I can
kind of barely swing it down toget in that, you know, kind

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of bring it back to me,Yes, sir, how about when they
move up in the creeks in thefall, what are your techniques and your
baked choices there? I switch backto the one twenty fourth sugar Bug and
I just go in the creeks andlook and see if any bait in there.
And I got a couple a coupleof different creeks around here, on

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different lakes that a lot of localGeorgia lakes have a lot of dots.
And that's when I start side scanning, you know, I look in the
mouth of the creek with my livescope to see if any fish are there,
because a lot of times, youknow, the bait before it gets
really cold, they'll push to theback of the creeks and that's when you
get those suspended fish in there,because you know they're chasing the bait back

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in there. And I'll catch themout in open water, or you can
be in a and troll and youcan pick them off that way, or
you can pick them off spider region. And what what a temperature range are
you looking at for that kind ofactivity in the fall? Okay, not

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around sixty degrees, Okay, Yeah, that's where I'm at. When it
is fifty degrees, that's when thatpushes start to really really happen up here,
of course. And yeah it's thesame way down here. Yep.
Well I fit Georgian enough. There'sthere's really a good correlation, folks.
So you realize the reason I keeptalking to Martinez about temperature range is that

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varies some from geographically from there tohear. But when you talk temperature,
the habits of the fish become thesame. Yeah, hey, Martinez,
shooting docks is a is a uniquetechnique I will call it, and it's

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a unique way to catch fish.You can just about catch fish on docks
you're around, except for the realhot summer months, and even then you
can catch some. But in thefall. Yeah, talk about the kind
of docks you look far, andthe line, the bait, and the
technique you use. Oh most ofthe time, you know, I know

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everybody out there ain't got loivescope.And like I say, a lot of
people, you know, they gotelectronic, but they haven't got got livescape
yet. So you know, theycan't pull up to the dog and scan
up under it to see what's upunder. But before when I started,
I saw it in twelve foot johnboat with a little bitty horse fire motor,
and I used to my buddies usedto laugh at them because I use

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a paddle for my troller motor.But man, I would go and kind
of read the banks. You know, when you're looking at a lake.
You know, normally the very steepbanks, that'll be the deeper side of
the lake, and the flatter partsof the lake, or to layout or
how you want to put it,per se, that's gonna be a shallower
parts. So I would go aroundto a little bit of deeper parts in

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the fall time, or the sideof the lake with the most ledge,
and a lot of times that's gonnabe the side with the river channel runs
on. And I would go intoa cove where I would see a couple
of dots, and I'm always lookingfor some kind of points, And when
I go to that point, Iwould shoot about the first three dots around
that point going into that cove,And nine out of ten, you might

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shoot the first one, you mightshoot the second one, you might shoot
the third one, And most ofthe time one of those dots gonna be
holding some fish, okay, andwhen you locate those fish, what do
you do from there? I kindof just laid a hammer down and see

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what I'm working with. And youknow, if I catch a couple of
smaller ones, you know, Imove on, or catch a couple of
good ones. You know, Icatch a couple. I'll never try and
kill a spot, you know,I catch a few over here, a
few over there. And going backto the when you said, uh,
what line and what bait I use? And like I said before, I
used a Richie Willis sugar bug onetwenty fourth one thirty second. I use

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the K nine how the six poundline and four pound line and that's paired
with the hh rots and real stormsearch with the I think it's a KF
fifteen hundred or the thousand pro seriesis one of the best ones. That's
the solid black one. You cancheck those out of hh rots and ReBs

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dot com. All right now,Martinez, For folks that don't know what
a sugar bug is, it's aplastic bait with a little mayribou tail.
Basically, it's one of the mouthsto that's exactly what some people call them
jelly belly. Yes, sir,Yes, sir, and I know that
is one of your favorites. Whyis that, man? I tell you

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what and all these lakes I fish, I have never been too a late
that a fish will not eat thatbait. Not the first one. I
got buddies in Texas that have comeover hand fish, but it's in Mississippi
that has come over hand fish,Alabama, all the surround the states.
And they'll tell you. I thinkeverybody, uh, I think everybody used

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a sugar bood or something pretty closeto it, Yes, sir, okay,
And and I know for doc shooting, that's a fantastic bait. That's
that's one of my small and small. It's compaged, it shot, it
skips really well. I mean,it's just a all around pretty well made
bait, yes, sir. Now, on shooting docs, there's a lot

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of technique involvings some people don't consider. Talk about how you work a doc.
You know, from when you pullup to it, how far do
you try to stay out, howdo you approach it. Whenever I pull
up to a doctor shoot the doc. I normally, if I if I
know adults holding fish like you know, I'm gonna pull up and shoot this
dock. I know it's holding fish. I don't never share my lives scope

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up under it when I'm pulling.When I'm easing up to it, I'll
cut my you know. I don'ttry and take no wake in there with
me. You know, I cutoff. I put my trailer motor down.
I ease up to the dock,you know, try not let the
fish know I'm there, and thenI'll take it. And you want to
kind of if you got if youdon't have floating docks, you know,
you want to kind of look aroundto see where all the eyebeams are coming

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down into the water to get youa clear shot in there. And once
you see pretty much where you canget a clear shot in there, you
take the gig. And the wayI do it, I hold it with
my thumb finger and my pointer finger, and you want to hold that line
right on the end of your otherpointer finger, and you take the rod
and you bend it back and youlet both fingers go at the same time.

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And I think I might be wrong, but the farther you can get
into a duck shooting it will bebetter. And once you shoot that dog
and you fling that jig, upon that dock a lot of what I
used to do before I went witha fellow named Steve Deson. What I
used to do, I would shootthe dog and I would rill the bait

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out, you know, slowly workit out. But if you think about
it, if you shoot that dogand you relling that bait back out,
you know, at a steady speed, if those crappy ain't where you relling
that bait through, then you're bringingit above the crappy A whole lot of
times when you're just rooling it outthe way I do it nowadays, I

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shoot my jig up under the dockand you just let it fall. A
lot of times, you know,a crappierll literally beat be on the bottom
and eighteen twelve foot doc close tothe bottom down there, And if you
shoot that dog and you reel itout, you're missing every single fish in
that because you're riling it out.I shoot it and let it fall,

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and I kind of do a littletwitch thing with my hand to try and
trigger a bike. And you know, if you shoot a doc and you
see the line jump, that's afish. If you shoot a doc and
it's eight foot deep, if itpossible four seconds, five seconds, and
you see the line haul off atstop. That's a bump. If and
then if I don't get a bumpfrom there to there, then about the

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time, you know, if Iknow it's eight foot and I pretty much
count to about about six or sevenand I don't get bumped, I barely
turn my reel maybe one riel aroundto keep my line tight, because you
always got to keep your line tightin your rod tip up when you shoot
a dot. Otherwise when he hitsit, you don't have enough. I
don't think you have enough room toreally set a hook like it should be

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a properly side. And that's aboutit. Okay, Well, coming back
from break, we're gonna talk aboutsome more technique. This break is presented
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is a croppy gad from Georgian andI was fortunate enough to finish with a
couple of days here a week orso ago. And Martinez, as we
move into fall and we move forwardin these temperatures, they're gonna hold for
a bit. But you and Iboth agree. When we're talking fall fishing,

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it's sixty five down in the temperature. Give some of the best tips
you could give medium level skill.I ang, there's by that. I
mean, you know folks that don'thave live stroll or side scand or what
have you tell them how to findsome fish and put some fish in the

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freezer. I know you're good atthat. That's how you started. Yes,
there on a lot of times,like I said, I started out
shooting dots and stuff like that.Oh, I actually learned that little named
Joe Partensa. He's a he's anothercrappy guy here. He had he owns
crappy ninja guy service out here.If I'm not mistaken, he's from Jackson,

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Georgia. I had his home lakeis Jackson, Georgia, and I
went, I actually went on aguy that crappy trip with him, and
that's what really got me put goinghold on crappy fishing. And he started
out shooting dots. And like Isaid before, the way I start out
shooting dots, you know, yougo to a point on the lake and
a cut, look for a coveor in a creek. Shoot the first

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three that come off that point andjust kind of work your way around.
If those don't produce, go toanother one, you know, so forth
and so on. Another good thingfor crappy ongles is to always look at
don't overlook a bridge if you're lookingjust to go and catch your a missile
fish. You know, you goto a bridge when I normally fish,

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used to fish a bridge a lotof times. You know, I pretty
much know you know, springtime,you know, crapy'll be around a bride.
It's like you see all your crappyanglers with your glow stick lights or
drop lights in the water, youknow, fishing around bridges where those crappies
stay there in the daytime. Also, and I fish those with a one
uh sometimes out fishing with a onethirty second out of gig, sometimes out

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fishing with a one sixteenth. Butwhen you fishing with a one sixteenth,
you know that gig drops about afoot per second. And those fish are
normally gonna hold pretty tight to thatbridge column there, and as I cast,
I'm gonna cast up pretty close toit, no more than a foot
beside it, behind it or whatever. And you want to count that g

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down, you know, you peoplestanding on the bank or in the boat
if they ain't got no electronics.You know, well what I would normally
do how I would find out thedepth of the water. I would take
that g that sixteenth thounce and castit over by the pillar. Well,
I start counting. I see mylion stop. Once my line stop.
Whether it's you know, I countthe five, or I cast my line

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and I count the twenty, thatpretty much tells me roughly around how deep
that water is. So now Igot it pretty much dialed into casting that
jig. And normally normally around lakesaround here, I know some wakes,
you know, crapt it get alittle bit deeper, but normally around here,
you know, well, if Icast and I count to twenty,

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those fish shouldn't be no deeper thanten foot. So I'm gonna cast on
one side of the pylon and countdown to maybe five, and I'll start
reeling, you know, give ita little twitch or a little gig,
because you know, craft it likea little bit of action. Another thing
is when I used to fish onsometimes a lot of times still now I
like to tell what you call aloop knot. I think it gives me

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your jig a little bit more playand a little bit more gibbiled to it
than tying your line straight to yourjig and being kind of stiff. You
know, it's kind of like abendy stuff. Well, if you've got
a whole bunch of bends in it, that fluid can move fluently, you
know, when you set up thereinsipe it versus having a state up and
down stall and it only goes oneway. And he Martinez, Martin Martinez,

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Hey, I really appreciate you beingon with it and uh hope to
see you against it and again.Folks, you can check Martinez out on
Facebook at Martinez m A R TI m U S. Jackson. God
bless everybody. H