3-10-24 - Spring Crappie fishing with Preston Cleary

On tonight's show, Jim and co-host Scott Cronin talk Spring Crappie fishing with Preston Cleary of Cleary Kentucky Fishing Guide Service. To contact Preston, go to Cleary Kentucky Fishing on Facebook or call him at 808-366-6805.

Episode Transcript

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Radio eight forty Whas Jim Trader here, Welcome aboard everybody. We have a
great program lined up for you receiveme. We got a young man named
Preston Cleary who is a professional fishingguide, and he's gonna talk about croppie,

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walleye stripers, even throwing a littlesaltwater fishing. This guy is a
very, very talented and seasoned fishermen, and I think you're gonna thoroughly enjoy
a lot of his insight into severalof the lakes and rivers around our region
and also what's happening right now andwhere we're headed, where they're fishing.

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I want to take a brief asideto remind everybody about the program we ran
last week last Sunday on my radioshow, members of the conservation community.
I'd discussed Senate Bill three, proposedlegislation that would be devastating to the way
the Kentucky Department of Fishing Wildlife Resourcesoperates. The bill, which was sponsored

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by Agriculture Committee Chairman Senator Jason Howe, would put the department under the Department
of Agriculture, putting fish and wildlifeunder the Department of Agriculture, would authorize
the Agriculture Commission to point all membersof the Department and the Commission. This

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is a political paragraph that would drasticallyaltar the way the department operates. I'm
gonna give you example of what someof the national organizations are saying about this.
Meat eater said Senate Bill three woulddramatically change how wildlife is managed in
the state. The US Sportsman's aLine said, this is clearly driven by

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those who don't understand or maybe don'tcare about sportsmen and what we value.
They named it a zombie bill tohobble Fish and Wildlife Department how HLWL for
Wildlife said Senate Bill three proposed legislationwould gut the Kentucky Fishing Wildlife Commission.

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or Outdoors. There's a link toall of these organizations that'll enable you to
oppose this bill. I would urgeyou, with all due respect to do
so. It's very, very dangerous. We had a meeting with Senator how
this week. He wouldn't even tellus what was in any proposed changes to

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the legislation, nor would he entertainany of our thoughts or ideas about how
it would be changed. And Iconfronted him with the statement, Senator,
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That's the League of Kentucky Sportsman Facebookpage for all the details. All
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at SMI And we are back onDemonstrator Outdoors and has promised we're going to
talk tonight with Preston Cleary. Heis a professional fishing ad and Scott.
Since you were kind enough to introduceme to Preston, I'm gonna let you
roll out a little bit about whohe is and then we'll continue on from

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there. Well, Preston come onto my radar from a good friend,
Jamie Ashley, that was sharing withme his positive experience with doing some craffee
fishing over on Dell Hollow with Preston. But from talking with him, Preston's

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just a very well rounded angler.He has grown up in the fishing can
unity and has been able to guideand make a living off of doing it.
And you don't do that, Jimby just taking people's money and not
producing fish. But he fishes alot on the Cumberland. He's on Dell

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Hall, he's over on Barren RiverLake and going to be a tremendous resource
tonight to listen to and to learnfrom, because one of the hardest things
to admit to sometimes is we don'tknow it all. So from Sager to
crappie and some panfish and everything inbetween, we get to pick the brain

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of another Kentucky boy about how toget more fish on the hook. And
that interests me and should interest everybodyelse that's listening. Well, I want
to kick things off here, folks, with hats off to Preston on one
particular subject. He is a marineand a wounded combat veteran, So hats

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off to your partner for your serviceto the country. Another veteran. Hey,
Jim, I appreciate you having meon here, and I appreciate it
very much for your support. Well, if you would, Preston, tell
folks a little bit about yourself.I know you said you started fishing at

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the tender age at six with youruncle Billy. Tell us about how he
started in maybe you know some ofthe things you learned from him. And
then I got some interesting how lighthere I want to roll out to the
folks. Okay, Well, whenI was at a young age six,
when I was about six years old, I started fishing with my uncle Billy.

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I was adopted. Me and mybrother was adopted by my aunt and
uncle. They took us in andmy uncle Billy Cleary started me on fishing.
You know, I was successful atit then, and he made it
fun for me, so I gotaddicted. I kind of got addicted to
it. So we started out uhfishing stripe in the river and fish a

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lot of crappie. I really enjoyedthat, so I just kind of stuck
with it. I was in theMarine Corps for about ten years. Uh
after after high school, I dida few combat tours and UH I got
out. I decided when after Igot out that uh I would do something

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that I wanted to do. Iwas passionate about UH. So I started
guiding for crappie and striper also saugerand Sauga and will I I mainly primarily
fished the Cumberland River and the wholelake. I also fished Barren and occasionally

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like Cumberland. Yes, and nowthere's an interesting story here, and I
think it speaks volumes to your dedicationto the sport during your marine years.
If I understand this correctly, youactually fished in a wife for marlin,

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yellowfin, and dorado. Can youshare a little bit about that, because
that's like, that's that's big leakstuff right there, partner. Yeah,
So the way we would catch themover there is we would do something called
high speed trolling. It's basically howyou line along line for crappie, but
you're going about thirteen miles an hour, and depending on the species we were

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targeting, Like if we were targetingwahoo, we would run about, you
know, seventeen miles an hour becauseit's a faster fish. But for yellow
fant tuna, we would slow itdown to about thirteen miles an hour.
But we'd use big wong lures abouta foot to two feet in length,
and we would troll back and forthacross deep rock edges, and you know,

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sometimes you would be trolling in overthree thousand feet of water, and
there'd be these things called fads,and what that means is that the fish
attracting device. And they'd be twenty, you know, sometimes thirty miles off
shore, and we go out tothese fads and they'd be the only piece
of structure around and these bait fishwith congred around the structure, and that

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would bring these bigger tuna and marlinand ono and mahi in and we would
we would troll these fads and wecatch a lot of fish that way.
You know, it's amazing, andI'm sure you'll you'll agree with me that
fishing for those fish, even thoughyou're out there in the middle of was

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seemingly nowhere. You learn to readcurrent scenes just like we do in rivers.
Here you learn to your point aboutstructure and gangs and bake fish and
how that attracts the game fish.And you know, in this age today,
with life strong open, a lotof the electronics we've got, I

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suspect you probably see a lot ofsimilarities to open water fishing techniques, do
you not. Yes, I'm aprimary primary fish and open water I'll chase
those craffee down and I'll snipe themout of open water like currently right now,
we have a lot of fish intheir pre spawned stage, and they're

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all open water and a lot ofsingle fish. That's one technique you can
use to catch these fishes your lifescope. With open water, you race
up on them, and it requiresa lot of boat control with a steady
hand with the fishing rod at thesame time, and and getting blown around
with wind. It's not for everybody. A lot of folks they'll also do

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a long line controlling, whether thatbe with a hairjew or a plastic or
they'll use planner boards control planner boards. That's another good technique to catch them.
Not quite yet, we're not quiteready for the spawn yet. We
still got to probably about three weeksto go before they'll start spawning. Uh

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and at that time, you know, I'll switch to minos when they start
spawning, especially in their clear lakes. Okay, Well, that's interesting in
and of itself, So give usa real breakdown about how we man.
It's like we came out of awinter in a hurry, and everything seems
ahead of People look at the foliageand and they're looking at these fish reports

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coming in. We're we're really atrock and roll. The fishing is really
good right now. How would youdescribe exactly what the fish are doing or
where you think they'll be here,you know, for the next week or
two, So where I think they'llbe at And you're right, and we
are head. We've had some warmweather here recently, and east fish last

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year they didn't start until about thistime. And these fish has been rocking
and rolling for about three weeks now, and they're full of eggs. Their
eggs are starting to fill up withwood, showing signs that they're trying to
lay them, some eggs falling outof fish. But so about the first

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of April to the third week ofMarch, we're going to be seeing these
fish start to go on the spawn. I know, go ahead, I'm
sorry, that's that's just kind ofwhat I'm predicting from what I've seen Jed
barn And we've had a lot ofrain. Yeah, And there's a lot

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of different things that can happen here, Scott. I know you've got some
interesting thoughts about that. Where thelakes are and what may happen if the
lakes come up too fast. There'sjust a whole lot of variables going on.
Do you want to speak to that, Scott, maybe see what Preston

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can shd on that as well.Over the years, just depending on what
our air and water temperatures doing andhow the sun comes in the play with
fish and clarity of water, youknow, crappie fishing in general. Since
we focused on that, it canbe all over the place, and this

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year where we're in really good fishingright now for a lot of different reasons,
but the fish are doing their thing. One of the parts about the
spawn that we should all be concernedabout is that how well that spawn goes
determines what happens with our numbers andour fisheries, not just next year,

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but for future years to come.And I just always get really nervous when
fish are early on the calendar withwith me. Of course, I'm not
Mother Nature, none of us are. But the reason why that puts so
much fear in me is because aslakes are below or at winter pool and

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they start to do their spawn,it's just so important that the conditions of
the water levels, whether that's fromwhere the core is fluctuating the depth of
the water, or how our springrains come in. And I'm sure pressed
and seen it before too, butwe'll set up to have just a phenomenal
spawn, but because of a majorwash out or because water depths just fluctuate

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so much, most of the timewater getting too high too quick. I
feel like as an angler that I'veseen where there's been years where I've been
able to catch a tremendous amount offish on a pattern like we are right
now, but in the long termit's produced bad results on the survival rate
of that spawn. Preston, whathave you seen? I've seen the same

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thing. A few years ago.Barnard Lake had the exact same issue that
you're describing, where the lake cameup too fast and the core. Uh.
During the time that it came up, it came up pretty high,
so the core pulled it back down. But as they were pulling it down,
these craffee went up. The shallowsspawn and they had spawned up in

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the shallow water, and it endedup killing a lot of those you know,
their offspring and it caused a fewbad a few bad years after that.
Uh. And that's one example Ibelieve of what you're talking about is
God. Yeah, and what andwhat can happen too is with the it
seems like the fish sometimes will they'llreact and everything will be going as played

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like there it's almost like they're programmedby computer chip. But we'll have a
just a big change in our inour water temperature, and it seems like
those those a lot of times,if they'll ever fluctuate to a certain degree,
it's almost like a certain number offish don't ever come up and complete

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the spawn too. That's just somethingthat I've noticed over the years. It's
like they're ready, they're ready,and you think it's gonna happen, and
then for whatever reason, it's likethey back out or pull out, and
sometimes I wonder if they even completetheir spawn. You know, guys speaking
to this, I want to askboth of you this question. Last year,

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to me was the goofiest spawn Ibelieve I've ever seen. And I've
got more than five decades of fishing, but I mean, that's why I
got more than I've got more thanseven at this point. And there was
fish wholding eggs and spawning. I'mtalking about white bass, croppy. I
was catching crappy in June that werestill laying some eggs. White bass were

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up into June Blacks, especially uhKentucky's and large mouths were late. It
was just it was it was crazylast year. BLI you were spawning in
July and August, did you fellash see good evidence of that as well.
I call a lot of crappee laterin July that still had eggs in

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them that were actually dying where theywere reabsorbing those eggs after the spawning.
The ones that they don't lay though, actually reabsorbed those eggs. And I've
done a lot of craffee with itlooked like half an eggs act full of
just dead eggs that they were reabsorbing, so they didn't spawn all their
eggs out Scott, how about you. The the thing that surprised me last

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year wasn't necessarily I guess as faras what I was seeing, It's just
it's holl And where I was catchingfish at the time of the year.
Where I really struggled last year,and a lot of different watersheds even and
in multiple states, was when Ishould have been catching fish up on the

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bank full of eggs. I wasn't, and I was randomly catching fish at
times that to what Preston was saying, the sack that they had was not
typical and it was later in theyear something majorly interrupted it overall. Can
I put my finger on what itwas? No, not exactly, but

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I will say that we're leading intoeverything looking like an A plus spring for
spring crappie fishing this year. Absolutelyall right, fellas, I gotta go
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E A r Y. He's atCleary, Kentucky Fishing on Facebook if you
want to check him out there.President. The interesting thing about crappie right
now, I think is that they'redoing so many different things. There's some
fish shallow guys reporting some real goodchance fishing late afternoons with jigging bobbers.

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Uh. There's loose schools concentrating anywherefrom all say four to twelve feet of
water around brush piles, moving upstaging, and then there's the roving fish
you talked about. Give us youroverview of which of those things is seems
to be most productive. Now,what you would tell the average angler to

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do to get started on finding fish? Okay, if you're a I got
three methods to do this, andwell four if you're a guy that doesn't
like liscope, and a lot ofpeople don't you know, a lot of
people argue that loscope has hurt thefishery, and in a way it could.

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I could see that. But soif you're that guy, the best
way to do it would be patrolfor him. And what you're gonna look
for for these fish? Patrol forthem in the open water. You're gonna
trol hair jigs. I use adouble sixteenth bounce hair jig, or I
can use a double sixteenth plastic andI use crappie magnets. I troll a

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lot like popeye hair jigs, finspins. It's just debate with a blade
like kind of like a rope runnerthat most people would be familiar with.
That also, Tiny Dancers is justa paddle tail paddle tail bait, and
you can troll those straight off theback of the boat, or you control
them with planner boards. And it'sgood to troll with planner awards because it's

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more effective because it gets your linesaway from the boat. And what spooks
of fish is a boat. Mostpeople believe that you can pull your boat
over top of cropping and not botherthem, but it does. It does
bother them. When your boat goesover top of that fish, they scatter.
So that's the important part about usingplanner wards. And there's a lot

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of companies that have these planner boards, like both Dad, he says,
a really good plane board. Thoseare the ones I use. And therefore,
and I use four pound tests trollingthese these lures, troll them about
one mile one mile are using fourpounds mono. I used to try so

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os line. That is what Iuse because it's clear and you know on
the hollow lake you want and strongon because you want with it, but
you don't want to go heavier thanfour to six pounds and just uh.
And a good tip for that isif you're fish or eight feet deep,

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you put about sixteen to twenty footof lying out behind the board if they're
twelve feet deep, put twenty fourto thirty foot behind the board. You
want to have your baits above thosecrappie so that you know they'll see it.
If you go below those crappie,if they're not going to see it,
and I'm not going to react toit, and you'll you'll extremely up,

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you'll up your catch. But youneed to be pretty close to crappie
to get them to buy. Soyou have to be in the range and
just travel about eight point eight toone mown hour. And obviously it's always
with crappy it's better be three feetabove them than six inches. Absolutely.

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Absolutely. Also, like you werementioning, people were catching fish on wood,
and I have caught here recently.I've caught them on Dale on wood.
Also not as many. You're notgoing to catch your numbers off wood
right now on dale, but theydo get in the backs of these creeks

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and they get on this wood abouttwelve foot deep right now. So,
and a good thing to key onis mud flats. In any creek with
a mud flat in the back ofthe right now, you get about anywhere
from twelve to twenty foot deep,and you start looking for these fish.
They'll be suspended if you see baitstart trolling there. If this is if

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you're a guy that doesn't like touse lotscope, yes, right, so
that's a good trick on della.Yes, sir, do you In the
last couple of years, I've beenexperimenting and having really good luck, especially
with white croppy, big white cropptrolling the crank baits like the bandits.

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Do you ever do that? Yes? I do. I use a Bandit
three hundreds and I trow those aboutone point two at point seven. And
I do that in May, andyou'll be doing that in the same exact
areas you're trolling for them now.And what happens in May is these fish
are done spawning and they start pullingback out towards the main lake, and

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you're catching them in their transition phaseand you'll catch them all the way up
till June that way. But Ido really good like that. And I
also use planner boards with those crankbaits I see. I've used the real
long poles, you know, putout six to eight, and I've had
just excellent success at several lakes doingthat, and it's uh soaping my eyes

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a little bit too, several differentthings. It's amazing really how small a
crop you hip walls crankbaits because they'refast sized bait. You know, when
I first got turned onto a friendof mine, I was like, man,
I don't know about this, butit sure can be effective. Preston
I I have a question for youon your planner boards and and your fishing

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technique this time of year. Areyou finding that you're picking up and catching
more fish when you've got the windthat you're back and you're throwing through your
schools of fish? Or are youfinding that your catch is better as you're
going into the wind. As I'mgoing into the wind is better just because

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of my boat control and the windsnot speed me up or slow me down,
because you can if you have atroller motor that that has cruise control
on it. Well, actually happenedis the wind to push your boat a
little faster and it'll cause your bakesto raise up in the water column if
the wind isn't in your back.And now, if you're going into the

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wind in your own cruise control,your boat will work a little bit harder
to get you sped back up tocatch up to adjust for that wind using
your GPS and you in your trollermotor. So uh, my success is
always knows into the wind. Okay, very good. I'll tell you what.

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Let me go to break here becausewe got a lot more ground to
cover, and I want to giveyou plenty of time to talk to us
about the other lakes and get kindof into some other techniques that work so
well during prespawning the spawning of thesecrapping and we also got a lot of
ground to cover about saltar and stripersand some of the other fish that you

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fish for. So let me getthrough the break. Here's presented by SMI
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ever have to get out on thewater. Go see them, and remember
you never get soaked by my friendsat SMI. First, and before the
break we were talking about some ofthe different techniques you were talking about.
I'm curious, and I'm glad tohear you like hair jigs because I'm a

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big fan, especially in the colderwater as opposed to plastics. I'm curious
why you like them and what areyour favorite colors. I like a natural
color and the clear water. Butthis time the year, we get a
lot of rains, so I liketo using a hair jig. I tie

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a couple of my own. Uh. But I use a purple and chartreuse
with a shartrous head, and that'sthat's really really good, uh for the
murky water uh that comes with theserains, and the same things for plastics
as well. But whenever we getto the clear stuff, I like to

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use a silver shart roofs or awhite and shark roofs. I see a
pink head is good for Baron BarnumberLake, but they'll hollow, you know.
Just a silver like a silver headwith a a white or silver body
and a shark troose tail is reallygood. I can send you some of

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the ones that I use a pictureof them. Uh, But there I
catch a lot of fish that way. Yeah, that that go ahead?
Her. I don't really use likea full chart sharktose body on anything.
Just I just like the tail tobe chartreuse. Okay, yeah, blue

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and chartreuse is one of my favoritesfor sure. On the clearer do you
go with glitter or do you barrythat monkey milk? And some of those
collars are good. But what's yourthoughts on the clearer water application? Uh?
Some glitters good, like monkey milkand show enough or showing up in
char trais is really good with achartroose head or a white head, a

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white for really clear water. Awhite head with a monkey milk body.
Okay. Oalt and pepper a goodone, all right. When you're fishing
in the brush, what are yourthoughts there? Do you switch over and
have a different idea about the colors? And do you switch to plastic in

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the brush this time of year?No, I'll use a popeye hair jig,
a really small one, like onesixty fours and it's got a number
ten hook on it, so whenI'm fishing a heavy brush, I don't
get hung up as bad. I'llactually switch from four pound tests to six

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pounds so I could be that hookout and restraining it. Uh get hung
Okay, I'd use really small hooksfor the brush all right? And at
the banks do you jigging biber ever? Of course, gadding everything's a little
different than it would be I guessfor some folks. But what do you

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find as most effective as they geton the backs? I use it.
I use a jig and boter,or I use a bottler in the minnow.
It just I always bring minutes withme just in case, but I
won't. I won't ground the minnowuntil summer. Okay, do you find

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that that as these fish are movingin there, they're more aggressive than a
different question. I've done a goodbit of live scope fishing here in the
last year or so. It's notmy favorite, but what I've seen about
it is you can hunt individual fishthat tend to be much larger on average
than the school and fish. Whatare your thoughts on that I'm actually able

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to do that. I'll find thoseindividual fish and I can kind of prey
well guess what size they are beforeI catch them, and it allows me
to eliminate fish, especially in tournamentsthat I don't need to be fishing for,
so I'm not wasting that eight hoursthat I have in that tournament on
a fish that you know, wouldn'thelp my case any at the way in

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station. Yes, sir, okay, okay, very very good talk a
little bit. Have you fished Barrenin the last little bit. I fished
it yesterday. I fished a tournamentthere yesterday. Or the fish they're acting
differently than dale Hall because really,while they do have some similarities, there

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are different types of legs. Forsure. Yes, they are a little
different. I found some yesterday onrock points on the bottom and on dal
Hollow that you're looking for mud flats, but and Barron like so March fifteenth,

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the core is going to start holdingthe water and they'll see they've already
went to the backs of the creeks. But these fish they're waiting for uh
the waters as the cor engineers raisedthe lake and then they're gonna they're gonna
start their transition to the backs ofthe creeks to spawn, and they're they're

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building up in the mouths of theseuh secondary creeks also the main and they're
waiting for that lake to start torise, and they're going to put back
up into the backs of those creeksand spawn. So they're kind of waiting
for the lake to rise Okay,we're going to talk to you a good

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bit about the difference between the lakes. But Scott and I were talking before
the program. The croppy that we'reseeing this year are really in exceptional condition,
I think, for you know,just coming out of winter and again
everything's accelerated. Scott, did youhave any thoughts that you wanted to ask

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Pressing about that because the fish we'vebeen catching been in excellent shape. Well,
just fish overall, you know,in the fall feeding and then now
in that pre spawn condition. It'sjust it's such a good time to catch
fish, especially if you like toyou like to eat them because you know

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they're they're healthy, they're fat,and and they're going in it's just the
heaviest point. Yeah, it justmakes for a lot of fun. I
think what's really interesting and we'll talkabout it more in the second part of
the program, but just amazing tome the quality of fish that are coming

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out of Dell Hollow. When itcomes to the Craffee and Baron River,
no doubt I can go over there, and I know Pressing could beat me
in a tournament, but I cancatch more fish on Baron than I can
at dal Hollow. They're so closeto so many people across the state,

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And like you were talking about pressing, you've got one structure there that you're
talking about fishing rocks, and thenyou've got a totally different scenario where you're
going into a mud flat where thosefish are going to be getting in there
and making beds. And I guesswhat is really good, Jim, this

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time of year, doesn't take longto start looking at just a couple of
degrees difference in the water temperature orthe clarity, and then you start looking
at the radar map and how rainsor weather may impact this. As an
angler, I think it's very importantthat folks realize and understand that sometimes that

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thirty or forty minute extra drive togo here to go there, well,
a lot of times, save y'alla lot of time on the water is
actually being in the fishing and beingproductive. So it's just really important that
folks understand what the core is doingright now and what is coming. And
it's important to understand how much theeven this the wind direction, uh even

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when we don't get rained, justthe wind direction can impact the clarity of
the water. Depending on which waythe wind's blowing. Can affect whether or
not it's it's uh, it's gettingthat water agitated enough to where the fishing
can kind of go downhill because ofthe clarity going down. Yeah, it's

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uh. I tend to follow thewind if it's out of the south of
the west. And what I meanby that is its stacks warm of water
on those shore lines where it's hittingand late in the day that seems to
really rev the fish up a bit. All Right, you got to go
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check him out there all kinds ofpictures and information about how he fishes and
where he fishes. And in thatregard, Preston on the croppie fishing differences
on some of these lakes, they'llhollow is a real sleeper. What I

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mean by that is it's a littletougher to fish. It'scot mentioned in the
first hour because of the clarity ofthe water and the deep aspects of many
parts of the lake. However,the quality fish there is really exceptional.
Do you want to speak to that? And then I know Scott's got a
question about the stocking and what's goingon with that at Dale. Yes,

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So the quality of the fisher youknow that, Like you said, they're
incredible. And the reason why they'reincredible is because in the summer, you
know, they're not really pressured asmuch because they are very very hard to
find and hard to catch. There'sa few fishermen that can catch them pretty
good in the summer, but that'svery few, and that's why they have

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all summer to grow when they're notbeing pressured. But as far as the
stalking goes, and that's an importanttopic as uh. You know, t
w r A they do a greatjob stocking, but there's only so much
they can do as far as thestocking goes. But the Kentucky Department of

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Fishing Wildlife should pitch in with helpingt w r A stock because they're not.
T w r A doesn't have theresources to stalk the lake like it
needs to be stocked. Uh.I think there's a couple of years they
put in forty thousand croppy black noseedcroppy, and but last year they may

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have put close to eighty thousand.That sounds like a lot of crappy,
but really it's a thirty three thousandacre lake. So you're looking at one
the two crappy per acre on thelake. That's not if you look at
the grand scheme of things, that'snot a lot. And the reason why

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that Kentucky should help stock the lakeis because a lot of the Kentuckians and
a lot of the lake is inKentucky. Deal Halla is not just in
Tennessee. You have areas like SulfurCreek and Hendricks and up the Wolf River

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and the ill Will that that's Kentucky. You know, that's all Kentucky.
There um hm got most states responsibilityto help out with fishery on the hull
Well brings up. Yeah, Pressonis bringing up a great point to Jim

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because with the use of increased technologyon our water and I am I mean,
I'm just gonna I mean it isit is utilizing life scope, We're
gonna be more proficient in pulling fishout of the water. And it's it's

(40:37):
obvious if if it'sh you're hitting thatslight limit, people are gonna abide by
the rules and we all like toeat you know, fresh crappee filets.
And I guess what you're saying therepressing is there's there's even room for more
growth on Dealhalla Lake. And itwould be a positive seen by anglers and

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guides for the Department of Fishing Wildlifein the State of Kentucky to join and
collaborate more with t w R.A correct yes, uh. And what
my scope is it has made moresuccessful fishermen. So obviously, if you're
gonna have a lot of success,you're going to keep doing it. And

(41:22):
so and we've we've got to advocateas anglers because as this continues and we're
getting better at our own sport becauseof the technology that's out there. If
if we don't start seeing where there'sa balance, I don't want to go
out to the lake and see whereI can have more complex and and stricter

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regulations. I would like to seewhere we can still go out collect fish,
follow the slot limit uh and andbring back you know, table fare
and at the same time have greatopportunity while we're out there. So if
there's any anything I guess that wecould do GYM is if people are wanting

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to advocate, you know, reachout to the commissioners on the Kentucky side
of the fence and asking the helpin their efforts with stocking uh Dale Hollow
and not just put it on theback of t w R. Well,
the point I'd like to make hereis that Preston, I'm sure you remember

(42:32):
when TWR, that is Tennessee WildlifeResource Agency started infusing those black croppy into
the lake. I can't remember howmany years ago they started that program,
but it's been a while now andit's it's radically changed in a very good
way the croppie fishing on that lake. You know, it really wasn't known

(42:52):
as a croppie lake, and it'sit's kind of still like a bit of
a sleeping giant to a lot offolks that don't think of it as a
croppy lake. And to Scott's point, you know, this is a fish
that people put the knife to.What I mean by that, they like
to eat crappy, and rightly so. And you know, with bass you

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got catch and release crappy. Differentball game, you know, that they
are a fish that's pursued for theirflesh value on average, and so the
need to stock to both of yourpoints because of this technology is going to
become an ever increasing need if we'regoing to keep anglers interested in the sport

(43:37):
and able to catch some fish onan average day on the water. Yeah,
another key point to Jim, andI'm sure Pressed and will at least
have some experience here. Nothing againstthe core and nothing against these bodies of
water that we fish, but sometimeswhen these waters go up and down with

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depth, we're not always looking outfor the fish as much as we are
for generating energy or are looking at, you know, other regulations that those
lakes aren't necessarily there for us togo out there and catch fish. But
it's great to have the resource,and it's just very important that folks understand

(44:22):
that it takes a lot of differentpeople coming to the table to shake hands,
not swing fish, to make surethat we've got the fisheries that we
want out there, whether we're aKentucky or Tennessee resident. And there's a
lot of good things that the Department'sdone too. I know before we went
on the show, most all ofus have seen a fetter fisheries with the

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slot limits over on Barren River Lakeand several other lakes have started to put
some regulations in the place where anglersare coming back to the boat ramp with
a lot a lot of smiles andby the fish going going home to be
putting a freezer. Yes, sir, while we're discussing Dale Haller, let's

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stay on that lake coming back frombreak, because there's some other really neat
things about Dale Hollow and I'd lovefor Pressing to share some of his experiences
on fishing for some of the otherspecies of fish that are in the lake
and that are again kind of asleeping giant. Let's get the break out

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I want to continue our discussion aboutthey'll holler because again it is a very
different type of cropper lake and sayno land or rough or baring, and

(45:52):
we'll talk about bearing here in afew moments. But for the average person
that's going to get down there forthe first time here the next several weeks,
how would you recommend they start lookingfor fish and what would they expect?
In other words, give them alittle a few clues on how to

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fish that type of deep clear lake. What I would expect for them is
I didn't I failed to mention thisearlier. If you're a spider rigger,
this would work as well. Butif long line trolling open water fishing for

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the next few weeks, that's whatyou're going to be looking That's what you're
gonna be looking at. Area thatyou want to key in on and look
for is to go to the backsof creeks with mud flats in the very
back, but you want to comeout to about twenty foot of water,
and then you want to start yourscanning. And what I mean by scanning
is with your two D sonar yourdown image in your side image, and

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then you when you locate some bait, then you're looking for single single fish
on the down image in our schools, and then at that point you'd want
to start putting your rods out.Depending on the depth of the fish that
you're seeing on your two D sonaris how much line you're going to put

(47:22):
out behind you. Uh, Butthose areas with mud flats is really what
you want to key in on becausewhen these fish go to spawn, they're
all going to disappear in about oneday and they're going to be up on
the banks. And when they getup on those banks, Uh, we
talked about it earlier using a floatwith a jig on it, and that

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that's a great technique to use oncethat happens, and all this stuff is
just going to start happening here inthe next a few weeks, so just
expect that if you're going to goto Dalhallow. But one thing to keep
in mind about dal Hollow, it'snot a lake like Logan Martin Lake or

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Lake Cumberland or Barren River Lake.We've got a lot of good quality fish,
but we just we don't have thenumbers like those are the lakes.
But our thirty fish are outweigh mostlakes forty or fifty fish. So here's

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a key fact that most gosh,if they want to catch big fish they
should look at is go and checkthe Coppee Masters tournaments where they may have
had a leaderboard where if a lakeis a ten pound lake or an eight
pound lake or a six pound lake. Dal Hallow's a twelve or thirteen pound

(48:50):
lake. That's what it would taketo win a tournament on dal Hollow where
Baron River Lake is surprisingly a tournamentthere yesterday. Eight and a quarter pounds
is what it took to win thattournament. So Barren is actually coming up
and and Dell was just kind ofmaintaining right now. Okay, uh,

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again, Barbara and Dell talk alittle about walleye in that lake because here
again it's just it's for many peoplea sleeper. It's it's as good or
better walleye fishing. Then you seeyou up at Lake Erie and some of
the places up north, the sizeof the walleye is is incredible. Onto

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a hollow, you know, you'relooking better fish from anywhere from four to
ten pounds, a ten pound thena giant and a four pound fish,
a four to five pound fishes oraverage fish. For some reason, I
don't catch a lot of small walleye. I don't know if it would be
a good thing or a bad thing. And again, last year, and

(49:57):
it hurts to say, but wehad a really really tough year for walleye,
and mostly everybody did but the oneswe did catch, we're good quality.
Really, an incredible day on Dellwould be ten. Well, that
would be just an an incredible day. And your average day you're looking about

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four to five. Okay. Nowa place like Lake Erie, you're looking
at like thirty or forty. That'sthe difference, you know, just knowing
what to expect when you get there. It's the main thing. When do
you guide for all eye? Whatare your main techniques? I use a

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lot of worm harnesses, trolling contourlines and or use all actually lives to
open them on open water as well, and also full crank baits and I'll
start doing that. Another good thingfor the walleye though, coming up here

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in May, we're gonna have ashad spawn and uh, A lot of
folks they get out there during theshad spawn and they cast the banks at
night. And that's a really reallygood technique because you can actually hear the
walleye busting the shadow. And whatyou want to do is get you.
You can use a red fin ora husky jerk bait and just work that

(51:37):
bait back slow across the top ofthe water, and that walleye he'll hammer
that. Uh, that bait.So that's a that's a really really good
way to catch these walleye, justfinding that bait and listening for them to
be popping the top of the water, and then it's kind of passing against
the banks, just going down.Yeah, said on Dell Hollow. Over

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the years my dad, as hetaught me how to fish that lake,
it's always kind of been a hauntingthat the water is clear for what we
consider our Kentucky fisheries. Do youthink that dal Hollow It's a two part

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question. Number one is do youthink dal Hollow is as clear and as
healthy as it used to be?And I'll tell you I would say no
from my side. But the secondpart to the question is do you feel
like that sometimes us as anglers havea better advantage of fishing Dal Hollow at

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night? I know a lot oftimes people think that it's just about tempter
and stuff, But I found thatover the years that when I would take
the time to fish deal at night, it was almost like a totally different
lake. And I felt like,for once I was one of the guys
that maybe was putting a couple ofpoints on the scoreboard from my side because
the clarity of the water didn't comeinto play as much at night as it

(53:13):
did during daytime fishing. I thinkyou're absolutely right. I think the fish
are less pressure at night, anda lot of times they're more active because
when the sun goes down, youknow, especially in the summertime, and
when it starts heating up, thosefish they want to start feeding, especially
on the full moons. Also,what you're going off of on the lake

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being not as clear, the lakedefinitely is not as clear as it used
to be, and that's due toa lot of pollution in the water.
A lot of these folks they've beenon the houseboats, and that's not just
them, but they will take andhave work doneder their houseboat. Instead of
pulling their houseboat out and having itsanded down, they will do it on

(53:59):
top water and they will have theirhouseboat rooft's sandy and they'll blow that fiberglass
off in the lake. Or duringthe Fourth of July, we'll shoot fireworks
off on the lake and they'll blowall those those fireworks trash into the lake.
Or they'll they'll wash their boats,especially in the spring, and they're

(54:20):
using things like purple power bleach,and they're springing all this in the lake.
So that's and you know most peoplerealize doing it, they just want
they just sometimes they don't care,and we need to actually people enforcing this
stuff because it is. That isa great point, all right, we

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Aka rt realtea dot com. Preston, let's change gears here a little bit
and switch over to Barons, whichtell you what Baron's riding. A tremendous
population of Crappee Green River the same. You know, a lot of folks

(55:28):
are still hung up on thinking asKentucky Lake and Barkley is the mecca.
But these lakes in central Kentucky arereally producing some great numbers of really really
nice fish. In the case ofBaron, you got whites and blacks.
Talk a little bit about what's goingon there, what techniques you recommend,
and again tell the average gap he'snever fished there where you would start right

(55:53):
now and how you would change gearsas a small approaches. Okay, so
right now Barron has got some reallyreally nice fish in it. Yesterday,
fish that weighed one sixty seven wasbrought in and one furs and a lot
of pounding. The quarter fish werebrought into the tournament way in used to.

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You know, a couple of yearsago, before the size limit was
implemented to ten inches, there wasa lot of zero point seventy fish,
so so we were looking about elevento twelve ounce fish. So Barren has
seen a huge increase because of thesize limit of these fish were increased.

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It took to ten inches. Ittook a couple of years to get there,
but last year Barron took a hugeleap forward as far as our size
and fishing on Barren is as goodas it's ever been. Yesterday I probably
caught close to one hundred fish andopen water. Yeah, most of my

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fish, you know, I releasedthem all because I'm not going to keep
one hundred fish. But I caughtover one hundred fish in open water.
So the crappie fishing, if youwant to be successful, bearing is the
place to be and you're looking.Most of those fish that I had caught
were anywhere from ten to twelve anda half inches. You know, three

(57:23):
years ago you couldn't get a fishover a nine and three quarter. But
now since the size limit has beenimplemented to ten inches, there's been a
huge increase in the size of thosefish. And right now, if you're
going to get out there, it'stime to get out there and fish for
them long line, and is ahuge success. Right now, people are

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catching a ton of fish long line. It's not really that hard and you'll
be successful. Life scoping open watersingles, that's what you're looking at,
and as far as the areas thatyou want to look for is along the
ledges of rock points, rock wallsthat sweep along the channels, the river
channel and the creek channels coming inthese fisher In another couple of weeks,

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the corp of Engineers are going tobe holding the water back on March fifteenth,
and the lake's going to begin torise. That's what that's going to
do to these fish, is that'sgoing to push the fish up closer to
their spawning areas. They're going tostart traveling up the river as the water
rises, so your bigger fish aregoing to head up the river and prepare

(58:35):
for their spawn right now. They'refeeding up in their pre spawn pattern so
that they can have the energy tospawn with. So they'll eat about whatever
you throw at them right now.A good color is purple, and chartroos,
black and chartreos, and let's seejust a regular chartroose state is great

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too. Hair jigs are good,and plastics both are good. Don't hit
about anything you throw at them rightnow. It's good fishing. And if
you can get over there, Iwould. Okay, are you uh so
you're basically advocating for the creeks andthe river section as opposed to the main
body of the lake right now.Yes, it's time to get off those

(59:21):
main bodies of the lake and startheading up the creeks. Okay. And
of course they're going to follow theshed. We talk about this lot.
It's gotten continually around people. Lookfor bait. If you find bait,
you're gonna find fish. No bait, no fish. I mean, it's
not rocket sound tree. Really,if you realize that the bake fish are

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moving up into these warmer water areasin the creeks and in the river where
you've got these warm rains that aregoing to be flushing in. That's a
great, big key to all ofit. Uh is by far one of
the easiest lakes, especially crappie.You know, everybody can go out there

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and catch them. They're you know, they're they're not hard to catch on
Baron Lake. So if you're lookingto get a mass of fish, you
know, Baron's definitely the place togo. Okay. Plus, you know,
one of the one of the thingsthat's so nice about Baron that Preston
stuffing to Jim is you know,once you start realizing how the bake fish

(01:00:31):
are moving and the logistics of thelake from the headwater area, this primary
fishing seasons really just just i mean, once fishing starts on on Baron,
you know, as soon as thenot to take anything away from the crappie,
but next thing, you know,about the time that the crappy are

(01:00:53):
kind of not the hot topic anymore, can turn right around and just go
over there and just fill your boatup full of a lot of nice hybrids.
And I'm sure that there's a lotof listeners that have capitalized on that.
But presson, are you seeing toowhere not only the crappie fishings improved
at Bearn, but the hybrid fishingas well. It has it's starting to

(01:01:15):
increase. And you know, wehad a couple of slow years over there,
but now using different techniques like openwater fishing form, uh, you
can catch them pretty easily using swimbaits. Yeah, I've done at barn
and Rough and some of the otherlakes that you got the hybrids. I

(01:01:35):
like to do it as the fishmove up and get on some of these
flat banks. I love to throwroad runners a little little uh, you
know, blade like baits that youmentioned earlier pression and man, you run
into schools those hybrids of it.It's pretty pretty cool situation, I must
say. Yes. A couple Yeah, over the last couple years, I've

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noticed over on Barons we were talkingabout colors. I've noticed that a lot
of just the the clear plastics havehave been really a good option. Uh
A pink like you were referring toon on your lead head as far as
the setup. But are you findingwhere you're over on barn that sometimes maybe

(01:02:30):
like a plastic that doesn't have atail or more of a tube style presentation
is more successful for Are you findingthat a little more action is picking up
more fish for you? I findthat I use a lot of the original
cropping magnets, which they don't havea paddle tail. Uh, they have

(01:02:51):
a forktail. I use that.I actually use a green croppie nivel like
made by cropping magnet and it doesn'thave to be a cropping magnet one.
But they work great for me,and they'll actually increase your cash, especially
if you're not a mental fisherman.That's kind of like a supplement for minnows
with that little cropping nibble, justwith that straight that straight tail bait,

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but it's a forktail, and uh, I catch a lot of fish that
way. In fact, ninety percentof the year, I won't even use
a paddle tail bait. I'll justuse just a regular sixteen thounced jighead,
a green or a thing sing Yeah, same kind as I'm having as it
just seems that solid is just Imean, it's it's crazy. It's night

(01:03:37):
and day difference when you're in theboat with two or three people. I
found personally just to fish over onbarns can be a little finicky, but
once you found out what's hot,it's it's pretty much time to fill the
cooler up absolutely and then and youknow, when you're fishing in the summertime,
it's always good to the downsize andbaits. And when it gets really

(01:04:01):
hot and those fish are really uh, you know, they're really stressed out
from the heat, they go intouh like what you would call a lill
state. A lot of folks thatwill quit fishing because they're losing the success.
But but to get you back outthere, you might want to just
downsize your baits a little bit.Uh. I use a little trout magnet,
a milli Uh, it's more ofa clearish blue trout magnet, and

(01:04:28):
I'll use that and all I'll startpicking up extra bots again, and you
know, I'll catch just as manyfish as I do right now as I
will in the summer m and viceversa, just by just switching up your
bait size. So, pink isa really good color on bearing obviously,

(01:04:49):
in a clear is a really goodcolor. It just depends on your water
clarity. If it's murky, youwant to use a trus don't. Don't
use a clear bait and murky waterbecause they just can't see it. They're
just like us. You can't seein the dark unless it's glowing right.

(01:05:11):
Use a darker color in the dingierof water, and we all know barns.
It can be a mudhole sometimes,no doubt about it. Preston Baron
is one of the lakes much likeGreen Where back to talking about basics.
The jigging barber rigs are really effectiveon that kind of lake because of the

(01:05:34):
topography of the lake. Do youdo a lot of jigging bobber on Barons
as the fish move up and startrolling the banks? Yes, I have
one. I have one tied upevery time I go to Barron. I
use a jig and bobber. I'llactually use a slip bobber. A lot

(01:05:55):
of folks don't use just a fixedbobber with a spring in it, but
I used to a flipp lobberary becauseI can adjust it really fast, and
a good bobber is a I usean extra large bobber with a quarter round
sinker bullet wait underneath it, andI peg it with a rubber botber style
so it holds it up a certaindistance, and I'll take it and put

(01:06:15):
a thirty second ounce jig underneath thebottom of it, and that's pretty effective.
And I if I see the fishthat are, you know, four
foot teeth, I'll just adjusted toabout three or two and a half.
And if I see fish footing offit down the five I just wanted it
just above their heads. And Idon't want to throw the bobber directly on

(01:06:39):
top of them because that splash canspook them. I want to throw past
them and then drag it back tothem and just kind of work it back
and work it back towards like it'sa like it's a live meno or a
bait's just trying to get away anduse it. Typically, don't hammer it
like that on baron. Yes,sure, okay, very good, got

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(01:07:41):
That sauger fish real very is crazygood. Another sleeper. Can you very
briefly talk about that? And whenyou do charters almost on the Cumberland.
Yes, I start doing the chartersin December. Your sauger and saugu and
walleye on the Cumblent River your average, I know in Kentucky here it's our

(01:08:08):
salger and walleye. You know they'rethe size limits are fourteen inches if I'm
not mistaken right now, and Tennessee'sis fifteen inches. Well, the Sauguy
are sore. There's such good qualityyou're looking at. You're seventeen to eighteen
inch average, which is a reallyreally nice saugur in Salguy. Your walleye,

(01:08:31):
you know you need to be sixteeninches, but you're looking about a
twenty to twenty seven inch average onthe walleye. The Cumblin River holds monster
walleye. So and but in JuneI'll start taking trips for a striper and
the striper on the Cumblin River versusLake Cumberland, your average striper is going

(01:08:55):
to weigh twenty to thirty pounds.Your average striper on Lake Rumbling is going
to be about eight pounds. Sowe've got some monster striper on the river
and we pull a large gizzard shadskip jack and we will even throw some
glide baits uh for those big striperlike that, and you know, we'll

(01:09:20):
pull them up against the bank behindplanar boards. And it's really exciting to
pull those planter boards because you canactually see that fish come from the depths
of the river and wash them lungeat your at your shadow or skip jack.
You'll come popping about the water andit's just like a bomb went off
on top of the water when hehits it. Yes, sir, okay,

(01:09:43):
President, I know you're very bigon taking kids and family groups.
Tell folks a little bit about that, and then how folks can contact you,
okay, okay, So you canlook me up at h Kentucky Fishing
on Facebook, or you can contactme through my phone number through text or

(01:10:06):
even phone call. Uh. It'seight jo eight three sixty six eight five.
And yes, sir, I doI do like taking families out and
kids out because I want to seethem catch the biggest fish they're ever going
to catch at a young age.And you know, you know what I

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mean, and I want to doI want them to remember that. Uh.
And getting those kids, making thosekids successful right now will make them
have a stable lifestyle when they getolder. Uh. And and a lot
of people that disagree with life sco. But here's the truth about it.

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Uh, you can make kids successfulfishing. He's gonna want to keep doing
it. If all he does isat is fell at something, He's going
to start looking for other things todo. And it may be a positive
thing, it may be a negativething. So keeping those kids in the
fishing and keeping them active, doingthat with their families, you know that

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that's gonna help grow that kid andso the parents can raise them the right
way. Yes, sir, nodoubt about it. All right. The
number again is eight zero eight threesix six six zero eighty five. It's
cleary Kentucky fishing or face clearious lE A R Y. And I've really

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enjoyed our conversation, pres in yourthe real deal, and I've done a
great job of informing our audience aboutwhat's going on? All right, folks,
that is a wrap. Get outon the water. It's in your
face time. It's happened. Godbless everybody.