October 3, 2023 • 26 mins
Maria chats with Dr. Marty Goldstein, a pioneer in animal health and nutrition for many years! His new book The Spirit of Animal Healing: An Integrative Medicine Guide to a Higher State of Well-Being is discussed, among many topics!
Dr. Marty was also the subject of The Dog Doc documentary, discussed on the podcast from March 13, 2020!!
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It's Maria's MutS and Stuff. Whata great idea on I Heart Radio.
Welcome to Maria's MutS and Stuff andwith me today. I'm so very very
happy to be chatting with doctor MartyGoldstein. So, doctor Marty, we're
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gonna talk about all the wonderful thingsthat you know and have done, and
thank you for making some time forme today. So it's going to be
a show, right, yes,at least at least. In fact,
I was thinking maybe we could gointo tomorrow like days and days chatting away.
So I had just up to firstof all, you have been obviously
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you're a veterinarian, and you havebeen doing this for many, many,
many many years, and I thinkit's fair to call you a pioneer when
it comes to animal welfare, animalnutrition. I just feel like you've been
you've been talking about something for manymany years that maybe that now today people
are paying attention to. That's aboutif we got a half a century okay,
(01:10):
well I didn't want to be specific, but okay, half a century.
It's amazing year. I just wentto my fifty year Cornel Vet School
reunion. Wow, and fortunately whatI brought up there and presented made enough
headway to realize that they need toincorporate this work into their curriculum. So
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baby steps are being laid down todo that. That's excellent, congratulations.
Yeah, I mean it's taken quitesome time for them to finally listen to
you. But I mean, butI mean, I don't mean to be
funny about it, but you've reallybeen talking about this for years and years
and years. Yeah, it's uh, I would say been talking about it
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for forty eight or forty nine orby fifty years as a eventinary right,
and so let me so let's goback a little bit. So what made
you see the light so many yearsago? Before? Others? Okay,
I had genetically based diseases and weaknessesthat were manifesting in my twenties. All
(02:17):
the males other side of the familyhad the same conditions, and every single
one of them is have been deadat least eight to thirty thirty five years,
and out of fear and vanity,I was searching answers that conventional medicine
(02:37):
didn't offer. I, you know, by luck, stumbled upon a book
on Eastern philosophy and especially Eastern nutrition. Changed my diet dramatically and you know
I was always fat. I losttwenty pounds in eight days. My chronic
arthritis and prasitis symptoms were gone withina week week and a half. And
(03:02):
I just turned to our own companionanimals and our family, saying if this
worked for me, wouldn't it workfor them? Started to feed them real
food, and their chronic conditions startedto go away, And it was just
like, you know, then Ilooked at the labels of quote unquote pet
food way back then, you know, we were taught and the only thing
(03:25):
we fed and sold in our practicemy brother and me, was the semi
moist foods. And when I lookedat the lake, I got to see
that what was on the ingredient listswere these coloring agents and carcinogens and flavor
enhancers, and the only thing itwas really missing was food, right,
(03:46):
And that was the wake up call. And then when I went out to
share what I knew to be true, especially the several animals lives that we
were turning around just with proper nutritionand supplements, boy did I get condemned
and ridiculed. My license was threatened. Uh credict dogs with glucosa mean sult
(04:13):
fate do you know much glucosa meansult fate is sold a here in vet
medicine now, oh my god,millions right right, so you know,
and I was certified in acupuncture inthe mid seventies, and that's when the
nation really hit. You know,Goldstein used to be a good veentinary.
Now we stick in needles and animals. Now sixty eight percent of the vet
veterinary colleges they uphold support or teachacupuncture because it works, because it works.
(04:42):
Because yeah, that's it. Imean, like it works. Yeah,
it works. Instead of putting adog or a cat on medication that
will give them heart failure and allthese other problems do little needles, acupuncture
works, right, and it's beenaround for hundreds of years thousands, thousands
thousand. Funny. I wrote thisin my recent my finally I came out
(05:08):
with the sequel, you know,to my first I wrote a book in
nineteen ninety nine. Book Authority aboutthree months ago listed my first book written
Omis a quarter of a century agoas the best selling number one vetting every
medicine book of all time. Congratulations, well congratulations. You know, in
my sequel, Despiritive Animal Healing,I actually shared. You know, when
(05:31):
I used to go to continuing educationlectures, I was just harassed and ridiculed
by my colleague, so I stoppedgoing. Now when I go, those
colleagues are certified in acupuncture. Sothey come up to me and they go,
you know, you were so farahead of your time, And I
would say to him, acupuncture hasbeen around over three thousand years. I'm
(05:54):
not ahead of my time. I'mjust thirty five years less behind than you
time. If you guys wake upright right, well, why do you
think, I mean, why doyou think it took so long? Because
people were just because it was likeunknown to them or foreign to them,
so they just it's hogwash, orI mean maybe is there a reason?
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Maybe there I don't know if there'sa reason I'm asking, I don't know.
There is an ego that goes alongthe doctor yeah and all training,
and that ego is subsidized by thedrug companies and the pet food industry.
So there was an automatic, likea knee jerk response that stuff is crazy,
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it's not professional, it's not conventionalmedicine. You know, it doesn't
it never fit into my four yearsof intense medical training. So they don't
even give it a chance to come. The only way you get a chance
is if you have personal experience,like I didn't come out of Cornell and
saying I want to be a wholedistrict bendinarian because it didn't exist. Then
(07:04):
I had to go my own diseasesand see them reversed and then use that
that practice on animals to see itwork that I would come forward. But
when I shared it with my colleaguesthat were only trained in conventional medicine,
they thought I was crazy. Theydidn't even give it a chance. Yeah.
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See, that's the part, Yeah, now they do. That's the
part that bothers me, is thatthey didn't even give it a chance.
Like I just it's hard to wrapyour head around that. And that's hard
for me. And it wasn't me, you know, I mean, that
happened to you. I just Idon't understand the resistance, and I guess
ego has a lot to do withit. But the fact that you were
offering like alternatives and alternatives that wereworking, so you would think that more
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people would have been open to itsooner or just been more open minded to
it exactly. I mean, whatreally helped when I went up to my
fifty year reunions, is that Ilooked at least twenty years younger than all
my classmates that we're there. Iknew you were going to say that.
They said, Marty, you lookthe same. What are you doing?
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So I am now coaching the onlysix of my classmates showed up, and
I'm actually starting to coach one totwo of them in health and nutrition because
they have chronic degenera of illnesses andthey look twenty twenty five and act twenty
five years older than me. Ofcourse, no, I believe that.
I believe it and im and it'sI'm sure a big part of it is
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their diet and as a result oftheir diet that they can't and I'm not
even talking about strenuous exercise, gofor a walk. Many people can't even
go for a walk because they werein such pain. Yeah, you know,
health was I and the truth isis medicine, Veterinary medicine in my
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experience, was a disease or antiestablishment where we learned how to diagnose disease
than drugg it and never really learnedabout health. We learned how to treat
symptoms of disease with drugs that causedisease. We learned how to prevent disease
with things that have side effects thatcause disease. My entire training and nutrition
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in the fourth I was at Cornelland one time I was number two in
my class. That was three weeksof nutrition. And then nutrition was based
solely around arithmetics, how to balancedifferent proteins and fats and carbohydrates. Never
wanted to go into the quality ofthe ingredients. So, and you know,
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I really stressed this in my lastbook, and when I speak to
the vet schools now, I reallystress that what we have is we have
science tips appropriate diets, but wedon't have biologically appropriate diets. We don't
look at what nature intended an animaleat. We look at biased studies that
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scientifically show that these diets work right. And that's apples and oranges. It's
complete opposite, Then what should bedone? Complete complete, complete simple?
Yeah, No, no, it'sit's it's like it's so genius to me,
but also so frustrating just to hearyou talk about it, because you
know it's so simple. No,but it is, it's so simple.
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I mean, whether it's obviously youknow, our our point of view right
now is towards animals, but evenfor people. I mean the fact that
you're coaching people based on all ofyour knowledge and just I don't know,
I find it. I just shakemy head. But what can I say?
What give my presentations? Like Igave a ninety minute presentation at my
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reunions and the head of clinical sciencesat Cornell, and it was ace after
case after case of terminally ill animals, fully documented, fully treated conventionally,
and it was obvious that these animalshad a month or weeks or maybe three
months to live. And then Ishowed every single one, with full medical
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documentation, a live four to nineand a half years later, and it
flows the veterinarian's mind because it's notphotoshop. These are real medical records.
And then what I say is thatI just want you to know that I
have two associates that I always consultwith, and those are common sense and
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Mother Nature. And guess what youhave them too, So use common sense.
We the label of a pet foodand just say, did nature intend
a cat to eat a food thatis fifty two percent cereal based when the
cat is an obligate carnivore it's justconspense. You don't need science. Wake
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up right, right? I mean, yeah, it's like that whole thing
that you're looking for human If youlook at ingredients and if it wasn't around
in your grandmother's time, don't don'teat that. It's kind of the same
thing. Or if it's if it'ssomething that you can't pronounce, then you
shouldn't be eating it exactly. Andyou know, you know, I always
teach people really besides reading ingredients lists, really learn what you're reading. You
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know, after the read cold disasterin two thousand and seven, oh yeah,
that was a very positive wake upcold, especially towards the feeding of
biologically appropriate meat based meals. Whenyou look at a label now as an
educated consumer, and you see,yay, the first ingredient is chicken or
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meat meal or something like that.Before you buy that food, look at
the rest of ingredients, and thenyou'll see that the second, third,
fourth, sixth, seventh, andeighth ingredients or some form of cereal,
wheat, wow, oatmeal, thisand that. So we all know that
cereal is a lot less expensive thanmeat. So when you look label and
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you're searching for a meat based food, just in your mind, do some
addition and realize that this food isstill fifty sixty percent cereal and not just
predominantly meat because meat is listed asthe first ingredient. It's just education and
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common sense, right, No,exactly, But unfortunately many people don't don't
have that. I mean, Ihate to say it, but they don't.
Well, no, I'm not beingcritical. I just think it's because
it's a very fast paced world rightnow and people don't have time to do
that. So if they see acommercial and you know, a dog food
commercial, and the commercial looks likeit's savory and juicy and the dog is
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salivating, of course it's going toin the commercial. It's easy for them
to, I think, to justgo to the store and buy it and
think they're doing the right thing fortheir dog. Yeah, And it's just
you know, unfortunately a lot ofdoctors and veterinarians don't have or use this
common sense too. And that's youknow, the best of my career is
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going to be focused on. Thatis just to share with veterinarians, not
wacko stuff. Case after case thatnot only were turned around and now we're
living nine years after terminal cancer,but imagine if you started the animal's life
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using this and didn't have to waittill they got canceled, right right,
yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. It's like starting a baby with the
right foods, same thing said,don't let them get cancer and then put
them on the right diet, rightright, yeah, no, it's true.
So so here's a little a littlebit of advice. So if it's
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someone is someone who's listening right now, just went to their local shelter and
they adopted a cat or a dogand then it's their first first cat,
first dog. What what advice wouldyou give of how they should feed the
pet. Well, the first thingI would do, and it's not to
sell anything, is they feed myfirst and second books because you know,
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I ever embraced and learned and putout there, and the near quarter of
a million animals I worked on isin those books, and it just lays
out the common sense. You know. It's why my first book got listened
as the best selling bet ever medicinebook, because it was written to be
timeless. Feeling has been around fora long time. And the other thing
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is, you know a documentary wasdone on me several years back by one
of my clients who I became veryclose friends with because I turned to her
a terminally ill dog that was supposedto be put to sleep that day back
into a puppy. She did adocumentary on the original horse, whisper Buck
Brannaman that made the shortlist of theAcademy Awards, and then she and we
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did this documentary. It was winningawards at film festivals all over the country.
Every time a conventional veterinary showed upto one of those, they came
up to me after and gave methe thumbs up that it really shows the
need for integrative medicine. And unfortunately, the day after it premiered in a
youth movie house in New York Cityand was scheduled for three in Hollywood,
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COVID shut everything down. I doremember that. I do remember that movie,
and I do remember that because Iif I'm not mistaken, I think
I was supposed to interview some buddyfrom your documentary and then COVID happened.
Really, yeah, I mean,it's such a show, but it's you
know, it's readily available for hardlyany money or for free online or the
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dog doc Yeah, so they shouldwatch that, especially if they love animals
because it really shows the aspects thestruggle I've gone through just to get the
truth out period. The other big, big, big advice huge is if
anyone out there does have an animalcompanion animal that is sick, don't try
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to get that animal better, especiallyby consulting doctor Google. Go to the
Sorry, that's very funny but true. And I was, Go and find
an integratibly based veterinarian somewhere in thecountry that you could work with. The
number listing is the ah VMA dotorg, the American Holistic Medical Association dot
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org. And work in conjunction witha well experienced veterinarian that practices integrated medicine
because we knew do need the bestof both worlds Now it's not just alternative
vitamins and supplements and acuculcture. Weneed the ventional medicine because we brewed up
healthcare. Here is the overview.When I graduated Cornell, in my observation,
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one out of ten dogs got cancer, and it was always the disease
of the old. We were taughtonly had a luck. We limited the
possibility cancer based only on age.Is a recent study that I wrote about
in my book two years ago avery sophisticated study, one out of every
one point six one dogs now inthe United States get cancer and it's become
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a prominent disease in the young.So something is wrong. This is not
just bad luck. We need acall. And you know, I wrote
these books to be a wake upcall and the film, and now I'm
going into the veterinary colleges saying youneed a wake up goal. You could,
you can, You don't have to, you know, take your doctor's
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coat off to practice alternative medicine.You could do this as a professional.
Clinically practicing veterinarians do both expand yourhorizons. Yeah, and so I guess
you just answered my question of sowhat's next for you? But that's what
you're doing now, You're going tothese veterinarian colleges and spreading the good news
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and the word. Yeah, andvery fortunately. You know, my clinical
practice really became an albatross for mebecause I was working literally twelve to fifteen
hours a day, usually seven daysa week. Was cancer doesn't know weekends
and holidays, correct, being animalsfrom all over the United States deemed hopeless
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or terminal. So working fifteen hours, I was getting to maybe six or
seven patients and educating six or sevenpeople a day. When I know I
could reach masses, and I stumbledupon through one of my best friends and
hooked up with a major marketing companythat makes the highest level of supplements and
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food, and now I am literallyreaching millions. I'm getting testimonies of thank
you every single day from all overthe country helping turn the health state of
their companion animals around. I'm gettingcontacts from veterinarians into my former clinic because
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they had an animal that was nonresponsive. The people went online and bought
either the food and or the supplementsand that animal became normal. And the
veterinarians are contacting trying to contact mefor my old clinic, asking if I
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could teach them, if they cansell these products and this and that.
So you know, part of myhorizon is I am now reaching the masses
through my product line, Doctor BartyPets dot Com. Is that at these
incredible products that are truly working,but also so much education. So that's
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my future. That's a ah,you're so funny. That's a lot.
That's it's a lot, and it'samazing. Now you are you, you
are amazing. Like I said,I'm actually very honored to talk to you
because you are just you know youare. You're the pioneer, and you
you know, you've been carrying thetorch all these years, and I feel
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like it's finally you're finally getting thecredit that you deserve, and you're finally
getting the kudos that you deserve.So well, to credit that our companion
animals deserve. Not me. Youcan't make me happier than I am or
healthier than I am. It's nowto turn it around. I was seeing
five new cases of cancer a daynow, and I know why they're getting
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the cancer. And it was sofrustrating that I could turn around these amazing
cases and present fifteen of them inmy lectures to the universities. But millions
we're not having the benefits of that, and that that wasn't still as killing
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me. Of course I understand that. I understand that, and you you
know, you are the voice forall of those animals, by the way,
you do know that, Yeah,yeah, now you ought. I
now have a lot of confidence.You know, I literally went at the
hiding for years because I couldn't provethis stuff. You know, they if
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doing stuff is so good. Whyyou haven't you documented? Why haven't you
written papers and studies? Because I'mnot a researcher. It was a practicing
veterinarian working fifteen hours a day.I don't have time to do a double
blind study on the treatment and foma, you know, using a placebo,
using chemotherapy. I'm not bad.I was just saving animals lives. So
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now I need, you know,to bring this to the universities, to
the organizations that can do the studies. And we do now have the American
Holistic Veterinary Medical Foundation that I amthe board that is doing the research studies
and publishing them in the journals.So we could wake up, Yeah,
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wake up and finally smell the coffeeas the way it should have been,
right, Yeah, smell the rightright. I was like it smelled the
dog food. No, not smellthe dog food. Smell Yeah, well,
yes, yes, smell the smellyour dog and cat species that are
so atrocious and they shouldn't be ifthey were on a biologically appropriate diet with
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the right probiotics supplements. True,No, they're absolutely You're absolutely correct on
that. Well, doctor Marty Goldstein, First of all, your two books,
The Nature of Animal Healing The Spiritof Animal Healing, uh Doctor Marty,
Pets dot com, uh AHVMF dotorg many places for my listeners to
get even more information and start changingthe diets for their dogs or cats or
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beginning their new pets on the rightprogram. So and the and the film
The Dog Doc. Yes, doctorfilm dot com. You will absolutely love
it, that's all I gotta see. Now, it's true. I do.
I remember it made me cry.I do remember that it does I
always. Yeah, it loves animalsand it's a good kind of crying where
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a dog gets lost somewhere trying toget home across the country. It's not
that kind of No, it wasn'tright. Yeah, it's really seeing the
truth and it's just so there.It's a very powerful it's a very powerful
documentary. Yes, yes, andpowerful documentaries make you cry. So it's
it's crying in a good way.That's it. Well, Doctor Marty,
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thank you so much. I reallyI love talking to you and I want
to talk to you again because you'rejust You're fascinating to me and you're just
so you're just so wonderful, andthank you for all that you've done.
For animals and now you're helping peopletoo, but you've been helping people from
the beginning if they just listen toyou. So thanks for taking the time
out, even though I don't.They were about them, but well as
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well help but they have to helptheir animals, that's what I Yes,
of course that's true. They're actuallythe people you're helping. They're the messengers
right for the animals. So soyou're doing you know, you're doing good
deeds. They're left and right.So thank you so very much for all
you do and for all your timetoday, and I just I love talking
to you, so thank you,doctor many. Here's contact I'm always available, Operator Sator
It's Maria's MutS and Stuff. Whata great idea on I Heart Radio.
Welcome to Maria's MutS and Stuff andwith me today. I'm so very very
happy to be chatting with doctor MartyGoldstein. So, doctor Marty, we're
(00:24):
gonna talk about all the wonderful thingsthat you know and have done, and
thank you for making some time forme today. So it's going to be
a show, right, yes,at least at least. In fact,
I was thinking maybe we could gointo tomorrow like days and days chatting away.
So I had just up to firstof all, you have been obviously
(00:45):
you're a veterinarian, and you havebeen doing this for many, many,
many many years, and I thinkit's fair to call you a pioneer when
it comes to animal welfare, animalnutrition. I just feel like you've been
you've been talking about something for manymany years that maybe that now today people
are paying attention to. That's aboutif we got a half a century okay,
(01:10):
well I didn't want to be specific, but okay, half a century.
It's amazing year. I just wentto my fifty year Cornel Vet School
reunion. Wow, and fortunately whatI brought up there and presented made enough
headway to realize that they need toincorporate this work into their curriculum. So
(01:32):
baby steps are being laid down todo that. That's excellent, congratulations.
Yeah, I mean it's taken quitesome time for them to finally listen to
you. But I mean, butI mean, I don't mean to be
funny about it, but you've reallybeen talking about this for years and years
and years. Yeah, it's uh, I would say been talking about it
(01:53):
for forty eight or forty nine orby fifty years as a eventinary right,
and so let me so let's goback a little bit. So what made
you see the light so many yearsago? Before? Others? Okay,
I had genetically based diseases and weaknessesthat were manifesting in my twenties. All
(02:17):
the males other side of the familyhad the same conditions, and every single
one of them is have been deadat least eight to thirty thirty five years,
and out of fear and vanity,I was searching answers that conventional medicine
(02:37):
didn't offer. I, you know, by luck, stumbled upon a book
on Eastern philosophy and especially Eastern nutrition. Changed my diet dramatically and you know
I was always fat. I losttwenty pounds in eight days. My chronic
arthritis and prasitis symptoms were gone withina week week and a half. And
(03:02):
I just turned to our own companionanimals and our family, saying if this
worked for me, wouldn't it workfor them? Started to feed them real
food, and their chronic conditions startedto go away, And it was just
like, you know, then Ilooked at the labels of quote unquote pet
food way back then, you know, we were taught and the only thing
(03:25):
we fed and sold in our practicemy brother and me, was the semi
moist foods. And when I lookedat the lake, I got to see
that what was on the ingredient listswere these coloring agents and carcinogens and flavor
enhancers, and the only thing itwas really missing was food, right,
(03:46):
And that was the wake up call. And then when I went out to
share what I knew to be true, especially the several animals lives that we
were turning around just with proper nutritionand supplements, boy did I get condemned
and ridiculed. My license was threatened. Uh credict dogs with glucosa mean sult
(04:13):
fate do you know much glucosa meansult fate is sold a here in vet
medicine now, oh my god,millions right right, so you know,
and I was certified in acupuncture inthe mid seventies, and that's when the
nation really hit. You know,Goldstein used to be a good veentinary.
Now we stick in needles and animals. Now sixty eight percent of the vet
veterinary colleges they uphold support or teachacupuncture because it works, because it works.
(04:42):
Because yeah, that's it. Imean, like it works. Yeah,
it works. Instead of putting adog or a cat on medication that
will give them heart failure and allthese other problems do little needles, acupuncture
works, right, and it's beenaround for hundreds of years thousands, thousands
thousand. Funny. I wrote thisin my recent my finally I came out
(05:08):
with the sequel, you know,to my first I wrote a book in
nineteen ninety nine. Book Authority aboutthree months ago listed my first book written
Omis a quarter of a century agoas the best selling number one vetting every
medicine book of all time. Congratulations, well congratulations. You know, in
my sequel, Despiritive Animal Healing,I actually shared. You know, when
(05:31):
I used to go to continuing educationlectures, I was just harassed and ridiculed
by my colleague, so I stoppedgoing. Now when I go, those
colleagues are certified in acupuncture. Sothey come up to me and they go,
you know, you were so farahead of your time, And I
would say to him, acupuncture hasbeen around over three thousand years. I'm
(05:54):
not ahead of my time. I'mjust thirty five years less behind than you
time. If you guys wake upright right, well, why do you
think, I mean, why doyou think it took so long? Because
people were just because it was likeunknown to them or foreign to them,
so they just it's hogwash, orI mean maybe is there a reason?
(06:15):
Maybe there I don't know if there'sa reason I'm asking, I don't know.
There is an ego that goes alongthe doctor yeah and all training,
and that ego is subsidized by thedrug companies and the pet food industry.
So there was an automatic, likea knee jerk response that stuff is crazy,
(06:41):
it's not professional, it's not conventionalmedicine. You know, it doesn't
it never fit into my four yearsof intense medical training. So they don't
even give it a chance to come. The only way you get a chance
is if you have personal experience,like I didn't come out of Cornell and
saying I want to be a wholedistrict bendinarian because it didn't exist. Then
(07:04):
I had to go my own diseasesand see them reversed and then use that
that practice on animals to see itwork that I would come forward. But
when I shared it with my colleaguesthat were only trained in conventional medicine,
they thought I was crazy. Theydidn't even give it a chance. Yeah.
(07:26):
See, that's the part, Yeah, now they do. That's the
part that bothers me, is thatthey didn't even give it a chance.
Like I just it's hard to wrapyour head around that. And that's hard
for me. And it wasn't me, you know, I mean, that
happened to you. I just Idon't understand the resistance, and I guess
ego has a lot to do withit. But the fact that you were
offering like alternatives and alternatives that wereworking, so you would think that more
(07:51):
people would have been open to itsooner or just been more open minded to
it exactly. I mean, whatreally helped when I went up to my
fifty year reunions, is that Ilooked at least twenty years younger than all
my classmates that we're there. Iknew you were going to say that.
They said, Marty, you lookthe same. What are you doing?
(08:13):
So I am now coaching the onlysix of my classmates showed up, and
I'm actually starting to coach one totwo of them in health and nutrition because
they have chronic degenera of illnesses andthey look twenty twenty five and act twenty
five years older than me. Ofcourse, no, I believe that.
I believe it and im and it'sI'm sure a big part of it is
(08:35):
their diet and as a result oftheir diet that they can't and I'm not
even talking about strenuous exercise, gofor a walk. Many people can't even
go for a walk because they werein such pain. Yeah, you know,
health was I and the truth isis medicine, Veterinary medicine in my
(08:58):
experience, was a disease or antiestablishment where we learned how to diagnose disease
than drugg it and never really learnedabout health. We learned how to treat
symptoms of disease with drugs that causedisease. We learned how to prevent disease
with things that have side effects thatcause disease. My entire training and nutrition
(09:24):
in the fourth I was at Cornelland one time I was number two in
my class. That was three weeksof nutrition. And then nutrition was based
solely around arithmetics, how to balancedifferent proteins and fats and carbohydrates. Never
wanted to go into the quality ofthe ingredients. So, and you know,
(09:48):
I really stressed this in my lastbook, and when I speak to
the vet schools now, I reallystress that what we have is we have
science tips appropriate diets, but wedon't have biologically appropriate diets. We don't
look at what nature intended an animaleat. We look at biased studies that
(10:13):
scientifically show that these diets work right. And that's apples and oranges. It's
complete opposite, Then what should bedone? Complete complete, complete simple?
Yeah, No, no, it'sit's it's like it's so genius to me,
but also so frustrating just to hearyou talk about it, because you
know it's so simple. No,but it is, it's so simple.
(10:35):
I mean, whether it's obviously youknow, our our point of view right
now is towards animals, but evenfor people. I mean the fact that
you're coaching people based on all ofyour knowledge and just I don't know,
I find it. I just shakemy head. But what can I say?
What give my presentations? Like Igave a ninety minute presentation at my
(10:58):
reunions and the head of clinical sciencesat Cornell, and it was ace after
case after case of terminally ill animals, fully documented, fully treated conventionally,
and it was obvious that these animalshad a month or weeks or maybe three
months to live. And then Ishowed every single one, with full medical
(11:20):
documentation, a live four to nineand a half years later, and it
flows the veterinarian's mind because it's notphotoshop. These are real medical records.
And then what I say is thatI just want you to know that I
have two associates that I always consultwith, and those are common sense and
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Mother Nature. And guess what youhave them too, So use common sense.
We the label of a pet foodand just say, did nature intend
a cat to eat a food thatis fifty two percent cereal based when the
cat is an obligate carnivore it's justconspense. You don't need science. Wake
(12:09):
up right, right? I mean, yeah, it's like that whole thing
that you're looking for human If youlook at ingredients and if it wasn't around
in your grandmother's time, don't don'teat that. It's kind of the same
thing. Or if it's if it'ssomething that you can't pronounce, then you
shouldn't be eating it exactly. Andyou know, you know, I always
teach people really besides reading ingredients lists, really learn what you're reading. You
(12:35):
know, after the read cold disasterin two thousand and seven, oh yeah,
that was a very positive wake upcold, especially towards the feeding of
biologically appropriate meat based meals. Whenyou look at a label now as an
educated consumer, and you see,yay, the first ingredient is chicken or
(13:01):
meat meal or something like that.Before you buy that food, look at
the rest of ingredients, and thenyou'll see that the second, third,
fourth, sixth, seventh, andeighth ingredients or some form of cereal,
wheat, wow, oatmeal, thisand that. So we all know that
cereal is a lot less expensive thanmeat. So when you look label and
(13:24):
you're searching for a meat based food, just in your mind, do some
addition and realize that this food isstill fifty sixty percent cereal and not just
predominantly meat because meat is listed asthe first ingredient. It's just education and
(13:46):
common sense, right, No,exactly, But unfortunately many people don't don't
have that. I mean, Ihate to say it, but they don't.
Well, no, I'm not beingcritical. I just think it's because
it's a very fast paced world rightnow and people don't have time to do
that. So if they see acommercial and you know, a dog food
commercial, and the commercial looks likeit's savory and juicy and the dog is
(14:09):
salivating, of course it's going toin the commercial. It's easy for them
to, I think, to justgo to the store and buy it and
think they're doing the right thing fortheir dog. Yeah, And it's just
you know, unfortunately a lot ofdoctors and veterinarians don't have or use this
common sense too. And that's youknow, the best of my career is
(14:30):
going to be focused on. Thatis just to share with veterinarians, not
wacko stuff. Case after case thatnot only were turned around and now we're
living nine years after terminal cancer,but imagine if you started the animal's life
(14:50):
using this and didn't have to waittill they got canceled, right right,
yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. It's like starting a baby with the
right foods, same thing said,don't let them get cancer and then put
them on the right diet, rightright, yeah, no, it's true.
So so here's a little a littlebit of advice. So if it's
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someone is someone who's listening right now, just went to their local shelter and
they adopted a cat or a dogand then it's their first first cat,
first dog. What what advice wouldyou give of how they should feed the
pet. Well, the first thingI would do, and it's not to
sell anything, is they feed myfirst and second books because you know,
(15:37):
I ever embraced and learned and putout there, and the near quarter of
a million animals I worked on isin those books, and it just lays
out the common sense. You know. It's why my first book got listened
as the best selling bet ever medicinebook, because it was written to be
timeless. Feeling has been around fora long time. And the other thing
(16:00):
is, you know a documentary wasdone on me several years back by one
of my clients who I became veryclose friends with because I turned to her
a terminally ill dog that was supposedto be put to sleep that day back
into a puppy. She did adocumentary on the original horse, whisper Buck
Brannaman that made the shortlist of theAcademy Awards, and then she and we
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did this documentary. It was winningawards at film festivals all over the country.
Every time a conventional veterinary showed upto one of those, they came
up to me after and gave methe thumbs up that it really shows the
need for integrative medicine. And unfortunately, the day after it premiered in a
youth movie house in New York Cityand was scheduled for three in Hollywood,
(16:49):
COVID shut everything down. I doremember that. I do remember that movie,
and I do remember that because Iif I'm not mistaken, I think
I was supposed to interview some buddyfrom your documentary and then COVID happened.
Really, yeah, I mean,it's such a show, but it's you
know, it's readily available for hardlyany money or for free online or the
(17:11):
dog doc Yeah, so they shouldwatch that, especially if they love animals
because it really shows the aspects thestruggle I've gone through just to get the
truth out period. The other big, big, big advice huge is if
anyone out there does have an animalcompanion animal that is sick, don't try
(17:37):
to get that animal better, especiallyby consulting doctor Google. Go to the
Sorry, that's very funny but true. And I was, Go and find
an integratibly based veterinarian somewhere in thecountry that you could work with. The
number listing is the ah VMA dotorg, the American Holistic Medical Association dot
(18:00):
org. And work in conjunction witha well experienced veterinarian that practices integrated medicine
because we knew do need the bestof both worlds Now it's not just alternative
vitamins and supplements and acuculcture. Weneed the ventional medicine because we brewed up
healthcare. Here is the overview.When I graduated Cornell, in my observation,
(18:26):
one out of ten dogs got cancer, and it was always the disease
of the old. We were taughtonly had a luck. We limited the
possibility cancer based only on age.Is a recent study that I wrote about
in my book two years ago avery sophisticated study, one out of every
one point six one dogs now inthe United States get cancer and it's become
(18:48):
a prominent disease in the young.So something is wrong. This is not
just bad luck. We need acall. And you know, I wrote
these books to be a wake upcall and the film, and now I'm
going into the veterinary colleges saying youneed a wake up goal. You could,
you can, You don't have to, you know, take your doctor's
(19:11):
coat off to practice alternative medicine.You could do this as a professional.
Clinically practicing veterinarians do both expand yourhorizons. Yeah, and so I guess
you just answered my question of sowhat's next for you? But that's what
you're doing now, You're going tothese veterinarian colleges and spreading the good news
(19:33):
and the word. Yeah, andvery fortunately. You know, my clinical
practice really became an albatross for mebecause I was working literally twelve to fifteen
hours a day, usually seven daysa week. Was cancer doesn't know weekends
and holidays, correct, being animalsfrom all over the United States deemed hopeless
(19:56):
or terminal. So working fifteen hours, I was getting to maybe six or
seven patients and educating six or sevenpeople a day. When I know I
could reach masses, and I stumbledupon through one of my best friends and
hooked up with a major marketing companythat makes the highest level of supplements and
(20:25):
food, and now I am literallyreaching millions. I'm getting testimonies of thank
you every single day from all overthe country helping turn the health state of
their companion animals around. I'm gettingcontacts from veterinarians into my former clinic because
(20:45):
they had an animal that was nonresponsive. The people went online and bought
either the food and or the supplementsand that animal became normal. And the
veterinarians are contacting trying to contact mefor my old clinic, asking if I
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could teach them, if they cansell these products and this and that.
So you know, part of myhorizon is I am now reaching the masses
through my product line, Doctor BartyPets dot Com. Is that at these
incredible products that are truly working,but also so much education. So that's
(21:30):
my future. That's a ah,you're so funny. That's a lot.
That's it's a lot, and it'samazing. Now you are you, you
are amazing. Like I said,I'm actually very honored to talk to you
because you are just you know youare. You're the pioneer, and you
you know, you've been carrying thetorch all these years, and I feel
(21:52):
like it's finally you're finally getting thecredit that you deserve, and you're finally
getting the kudos that you deserve.So well, to credit that our companion
animals deserve. Not me. Youcan't make me happier than I am or
healthier than I am. It's nowto turn it around. I was seeing
five new cases of cancer a daynow, and I know why they're getting
(22:18):
the cancer. And it was sofrustrating that I could turn around these amazing
cases and present fifteen of them inmy lectures to the universities. But millions
we're not having the benefits of that, and that that wasn't still as killing
(22:41):
me. Of course I understand that. I understand that, and you you
know, you are the voice forall of those animals, by the way,
you do know that, Yeah,yeah, now you ought. I
now have a lot of confidence.You know, I literally went at the
hiding for years because I couldn't provethis stuff. You know, they if
(23:04):
doing stuff is so good. Whyyou haven't you documented? Why haven't you
written papers and studies? Because I'mnot a researcher. It was a practicing
veterinarian working fifteen hours a day.I don't have time to do a double
blind study on the treatment and foma, you know, using a placebo,
using chemotherapy. I'm not bad.I was just saving animals lives. So
(23:27):
now I need, you know,to bring this to the universities, to
the organizations that can do the studies. And we do now have the American
Holistic Veterinary Medical Foundation that I amthe board that is doing the research studies
and publishing them in the journals.So we could wake up, Yeah,
(23:52):
wake up and finally smell the coffeeas the way it should have been,
right, Yeah, smell the rightright. I was like it smelled the
dog food. No, not smellthe dog food. Smell Yeah, well,
yes, yes, smell the smellyour dog and cat species that are
so atrocious and they shouldn't be ifthey were on a biologically appropriate diet with
(24:17):
the right probiotics supplements. True,No, they're absolutely You're absolutely correct on
that. Well, doctor Marty Goldstein, First of all, your two books,
The Nature of Animal Healing The Spiritof Animal Healing, uh Doctor Marty,
Pets dot com, uh AHVMF dotorg many places for my listeners to
get even more information and start changingthe diets for their dogs or cats or
(24:45):
beginning their new pets on the rightprogram. So and the and the film
The Dog Doc. Yes, doctorfilm dot com. You will absolutely love
it, that's all I gotta see. Now, it's true. I do.
I remember it made me cry.I do remember that it does I
always. Yeah, it loves animalsand it's a good kind of crying where
(25:10):
a dog gets lost somewhere trying toget home across the country. It's not
that kind of No, it wasn'tright. Yeah, it's really seeing the
truth and it's just so there.It's a very powerful it's a very powerful
documentary. Yes, yes, andpowerful documentaries make you cry. So it's
it's crying in a good way.That's it. Well, Doctor Marty,
(25:33):
thank you so much. I reallyI love talking to you and I want
to talk to you again because you'rejust You're fascinating to me and you're just
so you're just so wonderful, andthank you for all that you've done.
For animals and now you're helping peopletoo, but you've been helping people from
the beginning if they just listen toyou. So thanks for taking the time
out, even though I don't.They were about them, but well as
(25:56):
well help but they have to helptheir animals, that's what I Yes,
of course that's true. They're actuallythe people you're helping. They're the messengers
right for the animals. So soyou're doing you know, you're doing good
deeds. They're left and right.So thank you so very much for all
you do and for all your timetoday, and I just I love talking
to you, so thank you,doctor many. Here's contact I'm always available, Operator Sator
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