November 20, 2024 • 9 mins
Shaw just released a fine new album, TAKE A LOOK INSIDE. He joined Bret in KBCO Studio C to talk about dressing up like a mime and how parenthood has influenced the record.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, Hi, welcome back to the Brett Sonders Podcast. My
guest this week David Shaw. You probably know him from
the band The Revivalists from New Orleans. Well, he has
a new solo album, Take a Look Inside, and he
stopped by our kb COEO Studio C with his band
to perform. Unfortunately, for legal reasons, I'm not allowed to
(00:26):
play the musical performances. I'm really sorry about that too,
because they were exemplary. But here's David Shaw on the
Brett Sonders Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Thank you man. I appreciate that you have a.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Great band picked up. Is everybody from New Orleans, everyone
but PJ. Well John's from New Mexico, but he lives
in New Orleans. PJ still is in Chicago. So a
five oh fiver and five fives right.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I wanted to talk a little bit about this new
album and how you got here this Take a Look Inside.
But there's something that's really gnawing away at me.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I have to ask you.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
First, Halloween was a couple of weeks ago, and a
lot of people have forgotten it because a lot of
has happened since then.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
You dressed up like a mime. I did what were
you bored? What's what's you were mime face to a
gig at Tippo Tina.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
No, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
I just always have had that in my head that
I wanted to like for I almost like did that
as like that was my thing. Like I was just
I was going to go out as the mime guy always.
So we've we've we've we've tamed it a little bit
to just Halloween. I will say that it's possible in
the future I might turn into the mime guy.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
So you haven't gotten that out of your system.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
I haven't gotten that out of my system yet. I
liked it it kind of, it was kind of it
was it was weird in a good way.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
How about the rest of the band? Did they respond
in kind.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, well this is the thing. It was kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
I we we did this a little stick and where
all of them did they were they were a Wizard
of Oz characters, and so I acted like I didn't
get the memo and it was a kind of a
little funny little stick on stage. Stripped down to my
skivvies and put a Dorothy dress on and found a
wig from the crowd, and then I ended up looking
(02:04):
like demented Windy.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
You mean the Hamburger, Yes, Hamburger Wendy exactly. I can
see that. Well. I'm glad that you're so versatile.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yes, yeah right.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I wanted to mention watching you guys interact, having the
fortunate position that I'm in to watch you guys play
up close like this, I rarely see a band. You
guys seem to really enjoy playing music together.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I mean, you don't always.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
See that because people get jaded from being on the
road for so long or whatever. But you guys really
just you're all smiling through all these songs.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
It's it's nice.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, it feels I mean, it's it's the players, it's
it's the people, it's the music, it's really everything. This
tour has been like such a A lot of times
tours are just like, oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Here we go.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
This tour has like been giving me like mad energy,
which doesn't always happen.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, it happens, but it doesn't always happen. So feeling
really good and grateful.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Let me ask you about this album.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It seems to me that from listening to the lyrics,
listening to the music, this is a maybe maybe it's
an album about becoming an adult?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Is that a good shot in the dark, kicking and screaming?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Tell me about the background. How you came to write these?
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Yeah, you know most of them are from the past
couple of years. That the title track, take a Look Inside.
It was birthed from me just like basically saying to myself, like, okay,
like what are you running from? What is what is
this anxiety? What is this like feeling of like existential dread?
(03:38):
You know that would just come over me at like
two o'clock on a Tuesday or whatever, you know, and
I just got curious about that, you know, because I
was just like I was just constantly pushing it away,
pushing it away and pushing it away, and trying to
do things to kind of just like pile on top
of it. And so I just kind of like started
to go out to my studio and with help from
(03:58):
a few things, I was able to just sit with it.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
When it would come up, I'd be like, Okay, here,
here we go, like let's let's let's let's do the work.
And I would just sit with it, and I used
a little bit about what I know from I F S,
which is internal family systems.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Therapy.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
I have to shout out my boy Zach Feinberg from
the band for turning me on to this podcast from
Tim Ferriss, and was a life changing podcast that kind
of set me on the direction, you know, of finding
this kind of therapy.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I really do want to know a little bit more
about this internal family systems therapy.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, it's amazing. You want me to tell you a
little bit about it, please do so.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So it's so it's basically it's like the way.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
That the way the theory is that we have parts
inside of us and protectors and they're all they're all
they're all good, they all want to do good for us,
and they kind of arise in childhood around certain traumas
that that could have you know, happened or did happen,
and they're really good at doing their job and protecting
(05:01):
you as a as a young child. But as you
get older, they still stay vigilant because they're just like
super good at what they do and sometimes you've grown
out of that. A lot of times you've grown out
of that, but they're still kind of like they still
remember their job, and so it's kind of like it's
basically a way of like locating where that protector is
(05:22):
and where that pain is and where that anxiety is,
and just kind of speaking to it and telling it
that like thanking it for what it did for you,
you know, when you really needed it, and just saying
it's okay to let go now, and so like speaking
to it as if it's a separate entity or just
like a part of yourself like has its own, you know,
(05:43):
a free will or whatever. You know what I'm saying, Really,
that's like a huge part of the therapy.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Do you require everybody in the band to engage in
ifs it sounds fascinating.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
It's it's really amazing. It's it's really amazing.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
My wife's actually a therapy and she has started like
taking a bunch of classes now to become like certified
to do it. So like it's I think it's really
quickly kind of becoming like a really really really important
piece of like the way back to like, you know,
feeling good about ourselves and just like the mental health
journey that I think a lot of.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Us are on our listeners probably know you best for
your work with the Revivalists and the Revivalists sell out
what two shows at Red Rocks every single year.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
You're loved here in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Are you planning on returning? I'm sure you can't tell
me for legal reasons, but let me ask you this way.
Would you very much like to return to Red Rocks
to play two nights in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Oh yes, oh yes, you know it.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
You know, you know you love to.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I know you can't say a lot more wink these
songs before we let you go. We're gonna hear one
more song. These songs. They are also a result of
being a dad, right.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Yeah, Yeah, that's It's been a really really special, incredible
journey that I've been on lately, and it's just opened
my eyes to, you know, just the love that you
can actually, you know, access when you know there's just
this little person that you made and they're a part
(07:16):
of you, and it just it makes it makes me
choke up every time I think about it.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I'm just like, oh my god, I couldn't love you anymore.
It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
And so it's tough being out on the road that
I gotta say, it's really tough, especially like in these
times like this is like such a she's like eleven
months and it's like she's just like so cute and
there's so many firsts right now. I told my wife,
if she takes her first step while I'm gone, I'm
gonna be sad.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So you get more sleep out on the road though,
since you have an eleven month old at home.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
That's the that's that's that's the uh, that's the that
is the dreadful secret that we all.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Have exposed here in CEO Studio C.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
The reason I ask about the fatherhood isn't just what
I'm hearing in the music, but also there's a piano
instrumental version of this album, this album take a look
inside Being a Dad.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Did they have something to do with it?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Like it really did? It really did.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
When when she was first born, that was all we
were listening to because it was like, you know, it
was like it was either you know, you're listening to
a crying baby for however long you know, or whatever
you know, and even if you're like rocking her and moving, it.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Was it was it was you know, it's childbirth. It's
it's a tough thing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
But man, those those piano playlists are like Kryptonite for
for a Little for a little one. So I was
listening to those quite a bit, and I was like, man,
wouldn't it be cool if we turned this album into that?
You know. I mentioned it to my boy Andrew here Yanovski,
(08:53):
he plays piano and keys in the band, and he
was like, yes, And I gotta say this guy he
was it was. It was incredible. We did the He
did the entire album in one day, and if you
hear this album, it is the most beautiful thing I've
ever heard, honestly, Like I had nothing to do with
it other than just like write the songs, and he
really just took it into his own world and just
(09:15):
made it his own and it's really really special.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Thanks for stopping in today, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Love you guys, Love you.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Thank you for listening to the Brett Sonders Podcast. I'll
see you next time.
Hey, Hi, welcome back to the Brett Sonders Podcast. My
guest this week David Shaw. You probably know him from
the band The Revivalists from New Orleans. Well, he has
a new solo album, Take a Look Inside, and he
stopped by our kb COEO Studio C with his band
to perform. Unfortunately, for legal reasons, I'm not allowed to
(00:26):
play the musical performances. I'm really sorry about that too,
because they were exemplary. But here's David Shaw on the
Brett Sonders Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Thank you man. I appreciate that you have a.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Great band picked up. Is everybody from New Orleans, everyone
but PJ. Well John's from New Mexico, but he lives
in New Orleans. PJ still is in Chicago. So a
five oh fiver and five fives right.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I wanted to talk a little bit about this new
album and how you got here this Take a Look Inside.
But there's something that's really gnawing away at me.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I have to ask you.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
First, Halloween was a couple of weeks ago, and a
lot of people have forgotten it because a lot of
has happened since then.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
You dressed up like a mime. I did what were
you bored? What's what's you were mime face to a
gig at Tippo Tina.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
No, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
I just always have had that in my head that
I wanted to like for I almost like did that
as like that was my thing. Like I was just
I was going to go out as the mime guy always.
So we've we've we've we've tamed it a little bit
to just Halloween. I will say that it's possible in
the future I might turn into the mime guy.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
So you haven't gotten that out of your system.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
I haven't gotten that out of my system yet. I
liked it it kind of, it was kind of it
was it was weird in a good way.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
How about the rest of the band? Did they respond
in kind.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, well this is the thing. It was kind of funny.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
I we we did this a little stick and where
all of them did they were they were a Wizard
of Oz characters, and so I acted like I didn't
get the memo and it was a kind of a
little funny little stick on stage. Stripped down to my
skivvies and put a Dorothy dress on and found a
wig from the crowd, and then I ended up looking
(02:04):
like demented Windy.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
You mean the Hamburger, Yes, Hamburger Wendy exactly. I can
see that. Well. I'm glad that you're so versatile.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yes, yeah right.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I wanted to mention watching you guys interact, having the
fortunate position that I'm in to watch you guys play
up close like this, I rarely see a band. You
guys seem to really enjoy playing music together.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I mean, you don't always.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
See that because people get jaded from being on the
road for so long or whatever. But you guys really
just you're all smiling through all these songs.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
It's it's nice.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, it feels I mean, it's it's the players, it's
it's the people, it's the music, it's really everything. This
tour has been like such a A lot of times
tours are just like, oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Here we go.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
This tour has like been giving me like mad energy,
which doesn't always happen.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, it happens, but it doesn't always happen. So feeling
really good and grateful.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Let me ask you about this album.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It seems to me that from listening to the lyrics,
listening to the music, this is a maybe maybe it's
an album about becoming an adult?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Is that a good shot in the dark, kicking and screaming?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Tell me about the background. How you came to write these?
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Yeah, you know most of them are from the past
couple of years. That the title track, take a Look Inside.
It was birthed from me just like basically saying to myself, like, okay,
like what are you running from? What is what is
this anxiety? What is this like feeling of like existential dread?
(03:38):
You know that would just come over me at like
two o'clock on a Tuesday or whatever, you know, and
I just got curious about that, you know, because I
was just like I was just constantly pushing it away,
pushing it away and pushing it away, and trying to
do things to kind of just like pile on top
of it. And so I just kind of like started
to go out to my studio and with help from
(03:58):
a few things, I was able to just sit with it.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
When it would come up, I'd be like, Okay, here,
here we go, like let's let's let's let's do the work.
And I would just sit with it, and I used
a little bit about what I know from I F S,
which is internal family systems.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Therapy.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
I have to shout out my boy Zach Feinberg from
the band for turning me on to this podcast from
Tim Ferriss, and was a life changing podcast that kind
of set me on the direction, you know, of finding
this kind of therapy.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I really do want to know a little bit more
about this internal family systems therapy.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, it's amazing. You want me to tell you a
little bit about it, please do so.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So it's so it's basically it's like the way.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
That the way the theory is that we have parts
inside of us and protectors and they're all they're all
they're all good, they all want to do good for us,
and they kind of arise in childhood around certain traumas
that that could have you know, happened or did happen,
and they're really good at doing their job and protecting
(05:01):
you as a as a young child. But as you
get older, they still stay vigilant because they're just like
super good at what they do and sometimes you've grown
out of that. A lot of times you've grown out
of that, but they're still kind of like they still
remember their job, and so it's kind of like it's
basically a way of like locating where that protector is
(05:22):
and where that pain is and where that anxiety is,
and just kind of speaking to it and telling it
that like thanking it for what it did for you,
you know, when you really needed it, and just saying
it's okay to let go now, and so like speaking
to it as if it's a separate entity or just
like a part of yourself like has its own, you know,
(05:43):
a free will or whatever. You know what I'm saying, Really,
that's like a huge part of the therapy.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Do you require everybody in the band to engage in
ifs it sounds fascinating.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
It's it's really amazing. It's it's really amazing.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
My wife's actually a therapy and she has started like
taking a bunch of classes now to become like certified
to do it. So like it's I think it's really
quickly kind of becoming like a really really really important
piece of like the way back to like, you know,
feeling good about ourselves and just like the mental health
journey that I think a lot of.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Us are on our listeners probably know you best for
your work with the Revivalists and the Revivalists sell out
what two shows at Red Rocks every single year.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
You're loved here in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Are you planning on returning? I'm sure you can't tell
me for legal reasons, but let me ask you this way.
Would you very much like to return to Red Rocks
to play two nights in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Oh yes, oh yes, you know it.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
You know, you know you love to.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I know you can't say a lot more wink these
songs before we let you go. We're gonna hear one
more song. These songs. They are also a result of
being a dad, right.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Yeah, Yeah, that's It's been a really really special, incredible
journey that I've been on lately, and it's just opened
my eyes to, you know, just the love that you
can actually, you know, access when you know there's just
this little person that you made and they're a part
(07:16):
of you, and it just it makes it makes me
choke up every time I think about it.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I'm just like, oh my god, I couldn't love you anymore.
It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
And so it's tough being out on the road that
I gotta say, it's really tough, especially like in these
times like this is like such a she's like eleven
months and it's like she's just like so cute and
there's so many firsts right now. I told my wife,
if she takes her first step while I'm gone, I'm
gonna be sad.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So you get more sleep out on the road though,
since you have an eleven month old at home.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
That's the that's that's that's the uh, that's the that
is the dreadful secret that we all.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Have exposed here in CEO Studio C.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
The reason I ask about the fatherhood isn't just what
I'm hearing in the music, but also there's a piano
instrumental version of this album, this album take a look
inside Being a Dad.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Did they have something to do with it?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Like it really did? It really did.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
When when she was first born, that was all we
were listening to because it was like, you know, it
was like it was either you know, you're listening to
a crying baby for however long you know, or whatever
you know, and even if you're like rocking her and moving, it.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Was it was it was you know, it's childbirth. It's
it's a tough thing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
But man, those those piano playlists are like Kryptonite for
for a Little for a little one. So I was
listening to those quite a bit, and I was like, man,
wouldn't it be cool if we turned this album into that?
You know. I mentioned it to my boy Andrew here Yanovski,
(08:53):
he plays piano and keys in the band, and he
was like, yes, And I gotta say this guy he
was it was. It was incredible. We did the He
did the entire album in one day, and if you
hear this album, it is the most beautiful thing I've
ever heard, honestly, Like I had nothing to do with
it other than just like write the songs, and he
really just took it into his own world and just
(09:15):
made it his own and it's really really special.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Thanks for stopping in today, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Love you guys, Love you.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Thank you for listening to the Brett Sonders Podcast. I'll
see you next time.
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