Top Defensive Tackle draft targets for the Buffalo Bills | DC - Disguised Coverage

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continue on our way in terms of detailing the largest

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and or biggest no pun intended with the theme of
this episode positions and or areas of need for the
Buffalo Bill's roster heading into the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
A couple of weeks ago we did the edge position,
last week we did the corner position, and on tonight's
episode we will be diving into defensive tackle and you know,
or into your defensive line, depending on which verbidge you prefer.

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And this is a spot that has been addressed by
the Bill seemingly year after years, similar to kind of
the edge conversation, where you've got some free agency guys,
you've got some draft guys in terms of resources that
have been allocated the past several years, or at the
very least you under the McDermott and Bean era and tenure,
and it just seems like they continue to plod along
a little bit trying to address this position group and

(02:47):
this draft class a very deep one for defensive tackle.
Some intriguing names throughout Day one, Day two, even Day three.
There's there's some really fun skill sets. There's a lot
of usefulness in this position group, and I'm very excited
to dive into it in this episode of This Guy's
coverage and diving into this position group with me is

(03:08):
mister Daniel Harms of RGR Football and the Draft Network,
someone who continues our trend the past several weeks of
guys who really know ball structurally, schematically, guys who know
what good evaluation looks like, who really scout players, write
things up and do the true process for evaluation. Daniel,

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You're awesome thingk of taken time?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
What'kme the show? Well, first of all, thank you for that.
I love the intro, not just for me, but the
entire intro of the show. And I always have time
to come on with you because it's always one of
the most fun things that we get to do. Getting
through to this point in the season is always the
hard part, and then when we just get to sit
down and talk, that's that's where the fun is. Like,
that's where I have some of the most fun and
getting to have some high level conversations about football is

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one of my favorite things. To do and I love them.
I'm just happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, I'm glad you're happy to be here, and yeah,
this is the it's nice when you kind of get
to do this home stretch period of the draft where
it's you can someone can ask you something. You're like, oh, yeah, cool,
let me just pull up like my notes and pull
up this. And it's not like I mean, I can't
tell you, and you, well, you dabble in it better
than I do. But I'm so bills focused that the

(04:19):
farther they go in the playoffs, the more behind I
am on my draft prep and so them like going
to the AC Championship, I was like sweet, And the
whole time, in the back of my mind, I was like, man,
I'm gonna be so far behind. I've just felt that
way so much. Like I would get people on the
show or get people on Twitter being like, oh, what
do you think about this?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Guy?

Speaker 1 (04:39):
What do you think about this? I'm like, I haven't
gotten to that position yet, or like I'm at that position,
but like I'm not at that tier yet. And I
just never felt like I could catch my breath and
now I've grind in so much and yeah, I just
feel like I can finally start to breathe a little bit,
and then once the draft happens, I feel like that's
the real like sit back and just and yeah, I mean,
especially for you, like all the draft work that you
put out and you do like it's probably a thousand

(05:02):
times what I feel, dude.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
I honestly, I've watched more players this year than I
ever have in my entire life. And it's tough because
you because last before last year, I wasn't covering the
draft until after the season. So as you know, like
you know, as a guy who covers the Chiefs, we're waiting.
We're waiting till you anywhere February. It's just like, okay,
once it starts and then that's it. And so now

(05:25):
from the time I joined the Draft Network in July
June of last year, I've been watching guys every single week.
So you have that, and then you're in the playoffs
and you're like, well, I have to figure out what
the Chiefs are gonna maybe do here, but I have
to watch prospects here. So you're like, your time is
just watching football. It's just constant here and constant there.

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So I will say that I have to refine my
note taking process. That is something I have realized over
this process last year. It needs to be better and
I need to get there.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
That's fair. I started using like the regular season for
just a really good way to outline everything for me
for college football, Like broadcast is obviously a lie, and
I'm not watching college football twenty two in season, but
I watched a ton of college football in season, and
so I'm trying to make trying to kind of put
tears together at least of just from a self organization standpoint.

(06:20):
So that way, once I start up the All twenty
two and to know the direction I'm going, where the shear,
where the ship is kind of being steered. Because of
what I also do is I I don't want to
be influenced by anyone else's work. Yeah, well, I kind
of keep my head in the sand until I'm like
done with a lot of my work. Like I don't don't,
I don't. Oh, soll be like, oh you saw what

(06:41):
Daniel Jeremi did, I'm like, Nope, nope, knowledge anyone's I
don't want to see it. Same thing with like in
season film for like the Bills or anything, like I
avoid everything all day Monday until I get homework and
I can watch the tape. I don't want to be influenced.
I don't want to know what's a good play or
what somebody thinks about something. So it's just yeah, yeah,
like I really this year was helpful regular season wise

(07:03):
to kind of set myself up for success once it
came to this offseas. But yeah, it is a grind,
but it's a fun one. And speaking of fun, this
defensive tackle grouping that we have here in this twenty
twenty five draft class high level for you when you
look at the defensive tackle grouping or into your defensive line.
I know different people call it different things. What first
comes your mind high level when you're thinking about this

(07:26):
group and you know what it can do or what
it can kind of accomplish in terms of usefulness for
teams coming out.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Of this draft, if you need a defensive tackle, you're
going to be doubling up, probably like you've got fan
for example, covering the Chiefs. They have Chris Jones and
then a bunch of one year guys. They need to
probably double up a defensive tackle. This is a great
time to do it, not only because of the high
level players like that are going to go in the
first round. But because of the scheme specific, the run
defense specific, the pass rush specialist, there's a lot of

(07:55):
different body types that will fit what you're looking for,
guys that can play outside and inside. There's a lot
of variety in this class. So whether it's a couple
of guys maybe three or four that I think could
be total all around players at the next level, or
guys that are gonna be high level run defenders on
day two that have maybe a little bit of pass
rush juice, just a little bit, not something crazy, but

(08:16):
guys that will fundamentally change the way that you can
start scouting. You're the rest of your defense, right, you
can fill in here, you can fill in there, and
if you're running like a NASCAR group, you can have
one of these guys on day two come in and
be like, all right, you're gonna be our first second
hand guy, and then we rotate nascarr and so there's
so many different things, different ways you can fill your

(08:36):
defensive tackle needs and also a lot of different body
types that can help. Like I said, maybe kick outside
it rush from a different perspective, rush from a five
and what I've noticed with watching a lot of these
guys is that they don't just play one or three.
There's a lot of two's, a lot of high, a
lot a lot of five at times, so you have
different body types. They can do a lot of different things.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
That two comment is so I'm so used to, like,
especially just watching the Bills so much, and I'm just like, okay,
like a four down over front, you got your one tech,
you got your three tech boom, and they're so like
watching college football even I guess other NFL teams, but
college football even more so, there's so many they're just
like two's or a two I, and it's not just

(09:19):
these like static looks and then you get into oh,
very nice appearance. We should just have her do the show.
She'd probably get way more than either.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Oh yeah, that's how it works when I'm when I'm
on our gr Yeah, she just pops up and everyone's
like hi, Avery.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
They just watch the views go out and they're like, man,
she's so much. Then like she goes and they're like, oh,
so it's just you now, and you're like, aah right, yeah,
I just keep talking. I guess uh yeah, it's it's
there's a lot of different usage in college, and then
you get to like all the different fronts and how
many teams run even like someone like a you know
from an edge conversation piece like Mikel Williams, and then

(09:55):
you think like, oh, yeah, but how much is he
run into is like a four I all the time?
And that Georgia front and it's like what kind of
projective outside a little bit and then what everybody in
the big twelve does with their tight front stuff and
all the different alignments, and some teams just really run
a true nose, but then you're time to take that
true nose and project them to more of like a
one tech. But then some teams run a true nose
but a little smaller guy and you're like, well, he's
more of a three even though he played more like

(10:16):
a nose at this And it's just it's such a
fun conversation and in football in general when it comes
to the evaluation piece, but yeah, this defensive tackle grouping,
they think he nailed it. Like the usefulness, the versatility,
And what I think is interesting with all of that
is it's gonna change or manipulate a lot of teams
draft boards based on the specificity of the structure that

(10:38):
you are using. So fans who might think, oh, well,
like player A is so much better than player B, Well,
if player A is a three tech and your team
doesn't need a three tech, player B is gonna be
ahead of that guy for and so play they're gonna switch.
Player B is player A for your team. And you
might sit there being like, I can't believe they passed
on this guy, and it's like, well, they he doesn't
fit the structure what they need. They don't need that,

(11:00):
they need this, And that's I think that's a large
element that gets lost a lot in this conversation is
the schematic component and the structure and the x's and
o's and how these body types and how these skill
sets have to fit more of a role for an
NFL team, especially with how the run game has come
back into the league. It's not just like, well, we

(11:20):
need a bunch of gap shooters and guys who can
rush from the inside. Like now you kind of need
some bigger bodies to mash a little bit and hold
up against the run.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
That's what I love about this class is that we've
seen the resurgence of the run game. Duo ways start
to come back in. And so you've got guys in
this class that are like, you want to run duo, fine,
well just eat blocks. We will eat. You have some
legitimate block eaters in this class that will help keep
your second level clean. So, I mean, we went from
this defensive versatility and kind of almost where we saw

(11:52):
the Ameva fronts. Right, anybody can play anywhere that is
right now not going to work. It's non existent. Maybe
unless you're Brian Flores in Minnesota and you're just like,
I don't care, I'm gonna do it anyway. I'm gonna
find a way to make it work. Most defenses will
not be able to survive that way, especially in the
NFC West where you're just gonna see those type of schemes.

(12:14):
And we've even seen teams that want to run outside
zone say look, look, look we want to run outside zone.
We just can't. Defenses are too fast, they get to
the edge too quickly. We have to find ways to
succeed between the tackles. So now you get double teams
and you have this class that's just even the guys
that at the top. I know everyone's gonna talk about Mason,
you know, Mason Graham being a guy who can't succeed

(12:36):
because of his small arms, he can still eat blocks
for a guy who's his size, and he's willing and
experienced to do so. So I just love all the
different talents that sizes and the versatility that they offer,
because you can plug someone in at one tech on
first second down and say, hey, look, I know you
can eat blocks, but we want to bring in one

(12:58):
of our defensive ends or middle linebacker over the a gap.
Let's kick you out the three or five and we'll
see what we can get there. It's just there's gonna
be so many things that happen, and a lot of
really good contributors and then starter level players that maybe
turn into more than that in this in this class.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yes, very well said, And I love your comment about
duo and just how more of the run has taken
kind of a I hate to use this because it's
so cliche, but more of a smash mouth approach in
the NFL, more of a downhill aspect. You're getting more.
I mean, the Bills are a great example, right, like, yes,
what they do with duo, their main zone run is
mid zone, which is still trying to hit like inside

(13:33):
and then all the tackle pull stuff, so the gaps
cheme element present, like they are working in between the tackles,
you know. And I feel like teams see what James
Cook did and it's like yeah, but all these outside runs,
it's like, no, he just bounces duo, yes, because the
unblocked guy is that outside corner and he's like, oh,
I can beat this guy because I'm faster than he is,
and boom he bounces it. But so much of that
run game is downhill, it's at you. And I think

(13:56):
that ties into really well with what the Bills are
right now, because they are a you know, as I
said on the show all the time, and you know
this like they like light boxes. They run a ton
of nickel. Tarren Johnson is on the field a ton.
He gets pulled into the box by design. They get
pushed around on the interior, and so it's like, okay,

(14:17):
is they were at the forefront of this defensive movement
where it was like okay, poyer and high interchangeable safeties
kind of doing away with the free and strong type
of label and two high coverage structures and all this stuff.
And now I feel like, not that they're behind, But
I feel like they're kind of catching up to having

(14:39):
to pivot a little bit and deal with the downhill
run game that's coming at them because they're the way
they succeeded in defending the run last year was gapping out.
They needed numbers, they needed a neutral box count, or
they needed a stack box eight defenders are more. When
they went light, it was up and down. They would
get some penetration and they'd make a stop, or they
would get gouged and they would get gashed. And so
this defensive tackle grouping is so interesting for them because

(15:03):
they could stay the course with more of their pass
rush first interior, or they could pivot and get more
of a run skewed defensive tackle. And it could be
a high level guy that could start with that Oliver,
or it could be more of a rotational guy that's
a three or a four that could turn into you know,
a four to a three or a three to a two.
There's so much for a team like the Bills. I

(15:23):
think it's really interesting and you know, even for you
and you know this as well, even for the Chiefs,
like finding a running mate, like outside of Chris Jones,
and like who you pair him with and what do
you do? Like, there's really good defensive tackle options there
as well. And I think the the fun conversation for
this grouping starts once you get from like twenty five
to sixty. I think it's gonna be so fun for

(15:44):
defensive tackle that end of the first to the end
of the second, maybe even early third, because there's so
much schematic usage and so much like fun potential. Oh man,
this is a this is a good class.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, it's fun man.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
All right, should we dive into it? You're ready, let's go.
Let's do it all right. For those of you playing
at home, similar to what we've done in the past
several weeks, we're gonna go round by round, So we're
gonna start with well, you know, we'll start with the
round one by itself. Then we're gonna move on to
day two, which is round two and round three, but
the Bills don't have a round three pick. They have
two twos. And then we're going to talk about day
three as a larger, higher level, you know, whole kind

(16:20):
of day discussion. But for those of you joining us
live or even if you're watching later, listening later, whatever
have you, feel free to let us know, questions, thoughts, comments, concerns.
If you like our targets, if you hate our targets,
if you have some of your own, why do you
have them, why do you want them? So on and
so forth, anything and everything. Obviously, if you're not watching live,
put it up into the YouTube comments. If you're listening

(16:42):
on the audio platforms, you know, reach out via social
But if you are listening here live, throw whatever you
got into the comments. I will bring everything up as
humanly possible. Super chats is always get priority one because
I respect the monetary donation to the color takes me
away from my notes like a cat with a laser pointer. Daniel,
you had the guests, so I'm gonna let you have

(17:02):
the floor first. We are starting with defensive tackle and
or defensive tackles. Could be one guy, could be multiple.
We don't know each other's answers. We're blind to them.
Who do you got in terms of best target or
targets for the Buffalo Bills? A defensive tackle in round one?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Man, this was a little hard because there's a lot
of talk about where Walter Nolan's gonna fit right, like,
where is he gonna go? I personally think he's a
top fifteen player in this draft. And if you guys
want like a full video breakdown, I just dropped one
on the Draft Network today. There was a full video there,
and I'm gonna probably steer the conversation away because I

(17:40):
do think he's a top fifteen player, but just know
if he follows, they should be all over it, just
like every other team should be. And I'm gonna stick
with two big bodied guys. Kenneth Grant and Derek Harmon
are two players one Both of them have a little
bit of upside as pass rushers. The big thing here

(18:01):
is that Kenneth Grant is going to be like everyone's
eyes are going to go to Kenneth Grant, right because
he's got the long arms, He's three hundred and thirty
plus pounds. He moves in a way you shouldn't see
somebody move at that size. And when you see this
guy that is kind of like a bowling ball. He
moves like a bowling ball in terms of where he looks.

(18:23):
He just like laterally, can make movements happen that he
shouldn't be able to. So you have that, and I
actually think he's not as good of a run defender
as he could.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Oh, thank you the final, Lisa, I'll keep. I am sorry,
I'm so I half the right, I'll continue.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
It's a lot when you see guys that are these
balls of clay. And I will say Michigan has done
a pretty decent job of developing defensive tackles, but still
big schools have problems doing this. And I will also
say going from one defense in twenty twenty three to
Wink Martindale's deep vinces in twenty twenty four is a
problem for just about everybody not named Mason Graham, and

(19:05):
didn't work out as well for him either. So you
have them learning a new system, having different responsibilities, and
also trying to develop a players that's never easy to do.
You see that happen in the NFL or some guys
are trying to learn different defenses and they don't necessarily
get that get a hang of that until year two. Well,
Kenneth Grank got one year with Wing Martindale, and again

(19:27):
I don't think he was at his best as a
run defender in this iteration of it, but his twenty
twenty three tape is much different. I think he's a
better player overall, and he understand a little bit more
about the defense because he played in his entire career,
so you change a little bit of that. And this
is a really good comment. He's not great at anything yet.
But Kenneth Grant is the guy that everyone's gonna say

(19:48):
we can make better. Every team's gonna say, I watch
him and I can make him better. That's kind of
how it feels. My only really big gripe is that
I'm watching Mason gre Get double teams. Yeah, I'm like, awesome,
Kenneth Grant, you got one on one. What are you
gonna do?

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Nothing, Do something, Kenneth. He doesn't do something, Kenneth. He
doesn't do anything. So it's it's tough because he's got
a high level player, and like you said, twenty to sixty,
these guys could go any which way, shape or form.
But Harmon, on the other hand, is a better run
defender right now. He's a better run defender. I didn't

(20:28):
expect to see that either. Again, when you go back
to his Michigan State tape, he looked like he was
three hundred and thirty pounds. He lost about fifteen pounds
coming to Oregon. But he still knows how to anchor.
And one of the things that I really appreciate is
that he used all those skills, not just because they
had Jamari Caldwell, who are gonna get to later we
are the page.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
I don't know what you're gonna say, but it lies.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
I know.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
He can play one. Derek Karmon could play one, he
can play two. I all my notes I take, I
have alignment, and then I just kind of jot down
where they're playing you know four, I two, I plays
at one, he plays three, he'll play five. He played
everywhere for Orgon, all along the front.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
I can see every four team being interested in him
to play like a true four down front.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
He can take double teams from tackles and guards. You
can take double teams from centers and ten guards. It
doesn't matter. He's very good. He uses that kickstand technique
very well. If you guys don't know, the kickstand is
where you have that anchor right, You're getting two tacklers
blockers coming at you, and you bend one of your
knees down to the ground right.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
So it helps you take that leverage and that knee drop.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
That knee bend. It's essential and guys that don't have
it get blown off the ball. Far more, we're seeing
it become like almost a fundamental point as a run
defender where you have to have some of that knee bend.
Maybe not all the way down, but you need a
little bit of knee bend just to absorb some of that.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
And not only does it take the lower body flexibility
to do it, but it also takes the block recognition
because you have to see that flash coming and understand, oh,
the doubles come and let me reduce my service area,
drop that knee. So it takes the mental side and
the physical abilities that f.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Like recognization to be able to do it while while
also moving with the play. Say this is moving, it's
like an inside zone, but you're getting double team. You
have to move with the play, recognize that block, and
drop down like you have to do all of those things.
And at a guy at three hundred and thirteen pounds,
he can play one. He can do all of that
for you. So again him, what are his hands doing?

(22:24):
He does? He uses his hands so bad as a
pass rusher. It makes no sense to me at all,
because he has real power in his hands when he's
one on one and as a run defender, he can
stack peak and he can just do whatever he wants to.
He's got legitimate power. But as a pass rusher, he's.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Ye, yeah, they just bristed. Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
He doesn't. And then sometimes you'll see him do a
rip and he'll just stay there. Give me counter, give
me something else, give me more, do something else. So
those are the two guys I think at the end
of the first round they're gonna find their way as
first round players. That also make sense to pair with
the guy like at Oliver because that's he's like that
gap shooting type guy. He doesn't want to be the

(23:05):
I want to take up blocks and keep my linebackers cleaning. No,
you need somebody else to help do that.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Man. I don't know where to start because I'm so
excited by your train of thought here and where you are.
I'll start with Kenneth Grant. And this is the way
I've described him, described him because I've seen I've seen
so many conversations around Kenneth Grant, and I think it's
part of the larger defensive tackle run stopping conversation. I
think most people equate and it's understandable most people equate.

(23:32):
You know, you want a run stopper and inside it
needs to be a bigger bodied guy. And so people
see bigger body guy and think, Okay, this guy must
be a run stopper. But the way people, even somebody
like analysis and evaluators talk about Kenneth Grant and even
more so like how fans talk about him, how they
talk about Kenneth Grant as a run defender is how
tight Leek Williams is as a run defender. Correct, people

(23:54):
talk about Kenneth Grant is like, oh, he's this cure
all You drop him in the middle of your line
and he's going to stop the run. Plug it up.
That's Tyler Williams. Kenneth Grant. Kenneth Grant has been like
such an enigma for me, and because the other way
I talk about him is he's a three hundred and
thirty plus pound guy like you mentioned, but I feel
like he plays like he thinks he's three h five
or three ten, like he wants to be penetrator upfield

(24:18):
pass rush, which okay, is fine because you've got some movement,
but like you talked about, he doesn't have the plan
or the hand usage or the refinement as a pass rusher,
yet he stalls out so much where to your point
where I'm like, okay, they're taking Graham, Kenneth Grant, you
do something. And then it's annoying me because I'm watching
Josiah Stewart play like a Veloci raptor and go through
guys left and right being this tiny guy, and I'm like,

(24:41):
Kenneth Grant, can you go through, Just do something, Just
go through somebody, Just do something one time, stop like
just staying. Like there's time where he doesn't even get
like a yard into the backfield, like he's just there
and just kinda I feel like he also at times
does pass rush moves like someone who is like you're
playing street Fighter and you don't know the combos. You're

(25:01):
just mashing buttons hoping something like works out, and because
you can tell it, I'm like, why are you doing that?
Like what's happening? But the size, the frame, the movements
you do see are extremely encouraging. Like you mentioned, you
should not be that big and have the movement that
you have. I know his testing and his numbers weren't
as great as everybody nearly thought they were going to be,

(25:22):
but you watch the tape, the lateral explosion, the agility
that he has for a man of that size, you
cannot teach that. That is tremendously encouraging. And there are
some really great flashes, like watching him when that quick
swim happens on the snap and he buries somebody and
he's in the backfield. You oh, like it catches your
attention immediately, and it's impressive and rightfully so. But I

(25:44):
just don't think he has that consistency yet, either as
either a rusher or as a run defender. And he's
such an enigma to me because I think he skews
more towards a pass rusher and a penetrator, but he
doesn't have like the skill set for that. And I
want him to mash in the run more but he doesn't,
but he does at times. And I'm also wondering, like

(26:06):
what do teams in the first I guess ahead of
the Bills, so the first twenty nine, how do they
value these guys? Like I've seen so many different evaluations,
Like I have Derek Harmon as defensive tackle too. Is
someone having Kenneth Grant as that someone else having Walter Nolan?
Do people think of the inconsistencies with Nolan on tape
and then some of the off the field stuff. Is

(26:27):
that enough to knock him down or do you bank
on the flashes which are like I don't know, I
mean Walter Nolan, if you oh, there's several guys, but
if you just like if you put together just like
the best plays from someone's season in this whole draft class,
like it like the best mixtape might be Walter Nolan's,
Like his mixtape is crazy good for his highlight, it's

(26:49):
like it's insane. But Grant is a bit of an enigma.
I do think he's a target there for the Bills.
Harmon would be my idea one to your point, because
of what he offers as a run defender and as
a pass rusher. He's got enough in both camps that
you're not robbing Peter to pay Paul, and you combine
that with the length, high character guy, the front versatility,

(27:11):
especially for a team like the Bills, like they want
their backup defensive tackles everybody from like really from starters
to back, but especially rotational guys. They want them to
be able to play three tech and one tech. And
if you can get that in the starters. They want that,
and Harmon, like we talked about, can play one, he
can play three. You want to get creative and do
some other stuff like, he can do that as well.
I mean again, the Bills are traditionally a standard four

(27:33):
down front, but if they ever wanted to, he can
line up all across the defensive line. Those guys I
think are.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Both on the board.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I think Harmon's gonna go. I don't see Harmon lasting
because of what he does as a rusher and as
a run defender, and the length and the measurables and
all that stuff. I feel like he'll be gone. I
feel like Kenneth Grant's a realistic option. My favorite who
I mentioned for round one is Tyler Williams. And I know,

(28:02):
I know he doesn't necessarily the past rus juice or
game that the Bill's not necessarily cove it on the inside,
but it's a couple of things for me what he
is as a run defender. He's such a plus run defender.
The physicality, the violence, the leverage, the hand usage, but
also the block recognition. His guard is pulling in front
of him, He's immediately getting his eyes to that tackle.

(28:22):
He's seeing what's happening. He's working back over the top
like he's not just all let me engage. I can't
tell you how many times he drops the knee because
he recognizes, oh, here's my guy. I'm seeing on my
peripheral someone's crashing down. Bang, and he for a dude
who's like three hundred and twenty pounds in around that range,
that him dropping that knee, bang, and then he powers through.
He is a plus defender in the run for a

(28:43):
Bills team that I think needs more run defense, skewed
players inside in general, but especially with their light box usage.
And I think he's athletic enough with enough juice that
he can compromise the depth of the pocket. Not in
a sexy way, but he can knock some guys back,
you know. He can push some guys back, create some
knock back a little bit. I just I favor his

(29:06):
skill set so much. Like if it was between him
and Kenneth Grant, I would take Tyleek Williams. I would
take Derek Harmon over all of them. I just don't
think Harmon's going to be there. But it really like,
I hate to play this card because it sounds like
a cop out there's really not a lot of wrong
answers with the defensive tackles that could be there, Like
you could make a case for a lot which is

(29:26):
fun for the Bills, or should be at least.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, with Williams, it's he plays the game the way
you wanted defensive tackle to play the game. Like he
just he does not care about his own body. He doesn't.
And he's also so cerebral. He's so smart, he understands
everything like that type of stuff translates to the next level.
So even if he isn't a plus pass rusher in
the NFL, but one thing he can do is consistently
collapse the pocket. Yes, you need to be going to bed,

(29:51):
you do.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
She's here for the tyleek Williams talk. She was like, Oh,
we're talking about collapsing the pocket, tyleek Williams.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
I know. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Good, I get it. She knows she knows good tape
when she hears it and she sees it.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
I respect it. But yeah, it's I think you can
translate enough of that with a hand usage as a
run defender. You might be able to get more out
of him as a pass rusher, but at worst you're
getting immediate press back like he can do that immediately,
And like you said, I think one of the big
things coming to the next level for guys that are
rushing like that, their hips in their feet get too narrow,

(30:25):
and that's part of the problem. Even with with Derek Harmon,
you see him, he kind of gets up and he
gets narrow as a pass rusher and that limits his
ability to get around the edge when he does so
when he's playing five tech he comes around with the rip,
he just keeps getting up field because he doesn't have
he's too narrow. So Williams is a big He's a
he's a wider guy too. You gotta rush with a

(30:48):
little bit more of a base, and that's hard to do,
right because when you're running your your feet naturally get
a little bit more narrow, so it's hard to stay
that way and learn that way. So you can maybe
get a little bit more with the give yourself more
space with the extension, and then try to find ways
to just square yourself and force those guys to figure

(31:08):
out where you're going. But Williams is going to be
one of a premier run defender in the NFL. In
my opinion, He's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
He was initially my my number one hope at thirty
for the Bills is a corner. I've been on the
Tray Amos camps week since a week before the combine.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Bro He's so awesome.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
I love him like I wanted that pick. That is
my number one. Give me that. If Amos and Harmon
are both there, it's a little more of a fight
in my brain, but I've already made peace that Harmon's
not going to be there, so I'm like, give me Amos.
And my dream scenario for like the draft was like
man Amos at thirty and TYLERK. Williams of fifty six,
and then I'm just like, I think Williams he ain't

(31:47):
gonna be there at fifty six, Like I just I
feel like at the latest he goes in like the
mid to late forties. So if you want him, you
gotta grab him. And I just think his skill set
provides so much value what the Bills need and you
look at the rest of their room, right you need someone.
I think Daikwon Jones is better suited to be like
a rotational guy at this point, So you need a

(32:08):
starting one tech opposite of at Oliver. Tyler Williams can
be that guy. Then you've got Daiquon as a rotational guy,
and then you've got Larry Ogunjobi who got a service
six game suspension but is built Moore as a three.
Sean McDermott talked about him playing more of a three
this year, but he can play a one at times
from a more penetrative aspect, opposite of what Tyler Williams is.

(32:28):
But I just think he fits. Man. Just give me,
give me Tyler Williams in the interior, do you not like?
And then don't have anybody touch Terrel Bernard and don't
have anybody touch Taron Johnson and Matt Malono. Let your smaller,
speedier shooting style second level be small and speedy and
shoot and not have to worry about going around blockers
and beaten guys. And he can split doubles. He has

(32:51):
he has enough knock back on the interior, where again,
I feel like he's obviously he skews towards run defense,
but I feel like it's more like it's not nice.
It's like, okay, sixty five to thirty five or maybe
sixty forty, like he can give you a little bit
of juice there, although he is primarily more like an
early down run defender. But in this Bill's defense, I
think it really really matters a lot anybody else on

(33:13):
your mind when it comes to round one for the
Bills and defensive tackle.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
That's really it for a first round guys, because everyone
else for me is just a little bit down a
tier or they're a little up a tier. So we
have this middle ruck ground right there. I think Williams
is probably still going to be a second round player
for me overall. But again at the end of the
first round, talking about guys that are all second round
maybe even third round grades, but you really really like

(33:38):
their possible upside.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, and that's even fair too. You get that at
the back end of every round. How many times do
we hear every year like the last I don't know,
from twenty five to thirty two, it's a lot of
guys that had more of a second round grade, but
there's only a handful of first round grades. So these
guys creep in. Same thing happens with the back end
of round two, the back end of round three, so
on and so forth. Yeah, but this man first the
first round, I'm sweating already. I also don't hate the

(34:01):
idea of the bills. I know people could probably yell
at me for this. I don't hate the idea of
the bills trading out of it because the sweet spot
in this class is like rounds two through like mid four.
I have no problem getting like more day two picks
in any way, shape or form if I can move
from like thirty to thirty five or thirty to thirty
six or something like that and getting these ranges. But yeah,
really good options there for the bills at at pick thirty.

(34:25):
And I know I wanted to comment on this cause
Pete was responded to someone else, But you know he
prefers better a corner at pick thirty than a defensive
lineman who is in dynamic against the run in the past.
And I second, I get that notion, especially from a
Tyler Williams perspective. This is a reference to that, But
I think ty Leek would be such a force multiplier
on the interior then it would significantly benefit the defense

(34:46):
from a coverage structure standpoint, and then help things from
that point on. I just think he's such a schematic piece.
But I also gravitate towards guys that just play with
good mentals and are violent on the inside, Like, how
can you not like that? I'm biased?

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah that's me. All right.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Let's move on to round two and round two I
think is really fun because, like you said, I think
these this is where you start to get into where
the Bills pick at fifty six and sixty two. I
think this is where you're starting to get into probably
like depending on how you have people have them tiered out,
probably like tier five or tier six, maybe the end
of tier four, depending on how big your tiers are

(35:21):
of defensive tackles, and with them not having a third
round pick, I think whatever they do in round two,
who whatever it is, if it's a corner in round two,
if it's an edge, or if it's a defensive tackle
like this, it's really interesting to see if they get
someone who is in line with those tiers or is
it someone who's more of a third rounder that they

(35:43):
have to reach and grab because they're not going to
be available at pick one oh nine when they have
a four, which is their next pick, So they go
fifty six, sixty two and then one oh nine. So
does somebody naturally fall and if they do who is
it and if not, are they reaching for someone because
that reach seems like a reach, But they're not gonna
be there in round four. I think this is where

(36:04):
it gets really fun because there's there's so many possibilities
and kind of whittling it down based on who you
think is going to be there, but also talking about
scheme fit and need starts to become a fun conversation
in round two here.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, this is this is tough because specifically for like
round two, it's it's kind of a small group like
it's but like you said, it's going to be a
little bit bigger and more robust because they don't have
a third up pick, so they can do whatever they
want to exactly with one of these with both of
these picks. So guys you have third round grad it's like,
like you mentioned, you're gonna have all right, take them

(36:36):
a second round. We're not gonna be there in the
third round. I mean maybe you trade back and into
the third round, which is always a possibility. But this
is where you start to find some of those pass
rush guys, like you get the high level defensive tackles
that have the run stuffing there at the end of
the first and second rounds and then you start to
tear into some of these pass rushers. But I think

(36:57):
I'm gonna start with another guy that fits the tile,
Williams mold and Alfred Collins, who again is going to
be a two down most likely player. I think he
has more lateral juice and hand usage than he really
showcased at Texas and it was really starting to come on,
Like I think that he was starting to find himself
this season. So you have a little bit of that there.

(37:18):
But this is a guy who doesn't move. He eats
blocks every single day, twice on Sundays, and that he
just continues to go back for more. And he's a
physically dominating player. He wants to dominate players. That's another
thing that you love about these guys. So again, he's
not going to be able to give you a high
level pass rush ability, but he can absolutely crush pockets.

(37:41):
He has that strength with his arms in his hands
to take and extend again peak find a way shed
I think that with some of these former Big twelve
now SEC guys, you have to learn That.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Still throws me for a loop that Texas is in
the SEC. It's I still can't get my head around
or even watching tape this year, I'm like, yeah, why
is Oregon playing Michigan? And I'm like, what has happened?
I'm like, oh, big time, like it just I'm still
not there.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
It's tough. It's a tough thing because you have there.
You still used to play against big twelve offensive lines.
The big twelve offensive lines aren't great, so you have
a little bit of an adjustment period for a guy
I got, like Alfred Collins in Texas. The defensive line. Now, oh,
these offensive lines are bigger that They're just bigger, so
you have to learn a different style of play almost
And I think the Collins as the season went along,

(38:29):
you started to see him time his first step a
bit better with the movement and getting inside some double
teams and being able to split them because there's always
it's always a double to the second level. But initially
what you want to do is force them inward. You
want to make them both turn to you. So if
you can tie that step in the direction that they're going,
whether it's at you or inside or outside, you can

(38:50):
throw that off and keep your second level or third
level defender force defender clean. So you saw that get
out from him. He started to start get off the
ball a little bit more. A lot of these guys
have first step inconsistencies too. Just watch the damn ball
and move like I know, there's a lot more to
it than that. We talked about recognizing the rud fit

(39:10):
and the run block and everything like that, but overall,
like you have to just get off the damn ball.
That's just everything starts there. All of them have a
first step. But if you don't come, if you come
out of it like this, guess what you're going backward?
You are going backward every single time, even Forgot, like
got for Collins, So three hundred and thirty two pounds
at six six, like this is a big, big, massive,

(39:32):
one tech or noseguard if you want to. I know,
they play a predominantly a three to four or four
to three. But you have that skill set there. He
can double, he can two gap a little bit too.
So if you get creative with it, you have a
guy who is that big, massive defensive tackle that can
neat block. So he's a fit there for just again
for a two down player, but I don't know how

(39:55):
much of a past strussed kind of guy they need
because and you're all gonna hate me still, my guy
Dwayne Carter is on the roster.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
You no, No, Obviously a lot of people are still
higher on him. I Am not like I'm buried down
on him in concerned, but you have there's a lot
more positivity then you might anticipate still around wave Carter.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
So that's fair. I I haven't watched a lot I'm
for it's not great. It's not how I would imagine.
It's not great.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Just watch the game against the Texans and then pretend
every other game doesn't happen and you'll feel great.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
So there's slashes, see that. That's all I need, That's all.
I didn't talk myself into him because that's pretty much
what it was at Duke. And again it was a
down defensive tackle class last year, which one of those
defensive tackles have really played all that great. You saw
a little bit of Mason Smith coming out, you know,
from LSU with the Jaguars. He started to play pretty
well for them, but I don't know how much of
a three tech type of player. But if they've given

(40:47):
up completely on that kind of guy, Darius Alexander is
is right there. I know that. I know the age concerns.
Trust me, I get it. I don't care. I don't care.
This is high praise, but don't put it in the
same bucket. He moves like Chris Jones does, but just

(41:08):
without the without the conditioning. I don't like his conditioning.
It's not good. It's but you have when you watch
Chris Jones, like he lost a bunch of weight and
he's tremmed up, and he's been doing it in the
NFL for a long time, so he figures that out.
But he he has the same kind of stylistic movement
where you see him set up guards and centers with
a little bit of shimmy. Then in comes the swim

(41:29):
and it's over. It's just it's over in a flash.
And he also is the same kind of mentality where
he wants to physically dominate players. You see it every
time he gets steps on the field. And I was
watching him against pitt Pittsburgh in the their their bowl game,
and he was he was unblockable. He drops.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Isn't that the game where he drops in the coverage
he gets the pick six, He drops us a low
hole player and he and he reads the quarterback's eyes
and jumps underneath it too.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Because he was like he drops back quarterbacks look at
this way. He's like, yeah, I got this, no problem.
And it was seamless. Like there's guys that move that way.
You don't see Kenneth Grant dropping into coverage. I'm telling
you right now, he's not dropping into coverage. So he's tall.
I mean he six or four. He's not six to
six like Collins, but three or five. Talking about a

(42:20):
completely different by type. And also he does have he
flashes the kickstand technique, so he knows how to use
it and get in there. But overall, we're talking about
a guy who is getting better, and he is experienced
now obviously six year player and at Toledo. I understand
all of that, but I don't care. The physical tools
are there, and that is a player that I am

(42:40):
betting on in the second round nine times out of
ten unless there is something in his profile from interviews,
background check, stuff like that that says we don't want
to draft this guy. He has the exact kind of
we can get in the gap here, I can take
on doubles, I can move around a little bit and
give you some flexibility among the front and he also

(43:02):
rushed against tackles and he won a couple of those
pretty convincingly too, So that's why I'm talking about a
tigh praise. But he moves and kind of gives you
some of that Chris Jones type of player where you
want to bring someone inside. Fine, I'll kick outside and
rush against a tackle. He has the hands and skills
to be able to do that. So he's another one
of those players that I have my eyes on. Again,

(43:24):
if they're looking for someone that can come in maybe
give you a little bit of the one tech but
probably more of a three tech backup, but also third downs.
He can come in and just rush and be something
that you need in that regard.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Man, I'll tell you how much I like Darius Alexander.
I'm hopeful that he can be there at fifty six.
But then I watched the tape and I was like,
not happening, Like just the movement and the size and
the frame. I was like, he's not going to be there.
And so I was at the point where and I'm
still there, Like if the Bills took him at thirty,

(44:00):
I would not hate it because of what he offers.
Now to your point, like we can talk about the
size and frame stuff. I'll just read through some of these.
Eighty fifth percentile for wingspan, seventy seventh percentile for arm length,
seventy fourth percentile for ten yards split, eighty first percent
out for his forty seventy six percentile for his vert

(44:21):
eightieth percent out for his broad jump, fifty seven percent
out for his three cone drill, explosion, and agility and
movement for a guy who's you know, six three and
seven eights essentially you know, six', four like you, said
three hundred and five. Pounds AND i went into the tape, thinking,
okay based on he's built, Explosion i'm, thinking like we'll

(44:43):
get some past stuff, cool that's. Awesome and then based
on what The bill is like on the, interior, again
they don't gravitate towards bigger bodied. Guys. Now part of
the reason WHY i also Like Tyler williams, is you,
know doing the film room and speaking with several of
The bills. Players two of them in, Particular Terrel bernard
And Greg russo said things unprompted that made us think

(45:06):
that they might look towards more of a bigger body
and more of a run defense first type of tackle
in the draft one. Second sean McDermott And Brandon bean
have both, dropped you, know some breadcrumbs regarding, That SO
i hope that is a bit of a tweak that we.
See but if, Not alexander does fit their mold like
they like their defensive tackles between like three oh five
and three. Ten Daikwon jones when he came to The,

(45:28):
bills he dropped weight down to three hundred and ten,
pounds so everyone was, like, Man daiquon was like the
perfect one. Tech he played at three, Ten so Derris
alexander at three oh. Five that's not crazy for him
to play one tech for The, bills, now is it?
Ideal to your? POINT i think he is more of a.
Three but could he play one for The bills or
could The bill see him as?

Speaker 3 (45:47):
That?

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yes WHAT i really liked about him the pit, Game
like he talked about so much, athleticism hand, uses the
length showing. Up the game that got me was The
Mississippi state. Game AND i Know Mississippi state isn't like
AN sec, power but it's still a team in THE.
Sec watching his run defense Against Mississippi state is what got.
Me you were seeing him anchor and just play with

(46:09):
lean and extend and hold up against. Doubles you're seeing
him drop the. Knee he dropped the. KNEE i literally
have in my notes able to drop the knee verse
doubles or anchor and hold his OWN i Guess Mississippi.
State he had three strong. Reps one, knee two. Anchors
he's able to hold his ground and defeat blocks when he's.
Low his length and his strength make him extremely hard to.
Move those run defense reps were, LIKE i was like,

(46:32):
That i'm so, like that's.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
It, yeah that's, fine Exactly.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Like and when you pair that with again the disruption
and the mix of length and pop and hand usage and,
agility all of that on the, interior if he's there
at fifty, SIX i would run that card. Up that
right now is like more of my initial dream was, like,
Oh amos and Ty. LEAK i don't think Ty leerk's
going to be there at fifty. SIX i would love
for it to Be Darius, alexander my other favorite target

(46:56):
there at in round two here at one of these
picks was also out For. Collins like you, mentioned, man
he just and you alluded to it literal like, textbook
stack and shed like how you teach. It the, pop the,
peak the throw bang like it is. Beautiful the hand,
placement the, extension and the violence on the shed like

(47:20):
he wants to throw somebody through the earth like. Beautiful
he is such a good option if you want somebody
to hold their ground and limit, displacement which is what
The bills had issues. With on the, interior he is
a guy just consistently gums up the works against doubles
and beats double. Teams he can, anchor he can, torque

(47:42):
the hands and the grip strength he doesn't, lose like
he doesn't lose grip of the shoulder pads or the
jersey like if he goes, down he's taking you to
hell with. Him you just see power and leverage and
strength inside and also some fun things for. Him his
eighty five inch wingspan is the second largest for any
defensive tackle measured at the combine in the last three,

(48:02):
years and his arm length is the seventh largest arm
length for any defensive tackle measured in the last three,
years which plays on the. Inside The bills love long,
arms which is part of the reason WHY i think
they would Love Derek harmon and welcome him into their
open arms if he. Fell but you, mentioned you know
the pass rush, piece that's the biggest detractor for. Me
you just he throws this spin move where he doesn't,

(48:23):
move he just spins in. Place it's it's horrible looking
like he. Falls he just it's so bad and he's
thrown it so. Much And i've watched but between Watching
texas For, Collins Baron, macuba and then some Of Vernon,
BROUGHTON i probably watched like nine or. TEN i pretty
much watch every single game for The texas defense has

(48:45):
played this. Year AND i can probably count on maybe
one and a half hands the amount of like good
pass rush Reps i've seen From collins WHERE i was,
like oh, wow that's a good. Win and they do
some stuff at times where you, know the odd front.
Stuff they'll play him in like a four eye or
they'll play a five and he's taken on a tackle
and he kind of gets a bit of a long
army and you're, like oh, okay but it just doesn't
come to. FRUITION i don't really think there's much pass

(49:08):
rush upside for, him but, man he's such a winner
against the, run and if you can get me the
REASON i like him in round. Two, again it kind
of goes against their archetype a little. Bit they do
want if The bills are gonna, pick, okay you're more
siloed runner, pass they want to prefer they're gonna pick

(49:28):
the pass rush silo. Like they will go For, no
Not Maryland Jordan. Phillips Jordan phillips that was in THE nfl.
Previously even Though Jordan phillips is, Huge he's not a run.
Defender he's a pass. Rusher they'll go for. That they'll
go For Quentin jefferson more than they will As bills
fans Know ileanku more than the run first. Guy they'll
pick the pass rush first. Guy BUT i think that
philosophy might change a little. Bit and if you're telling,

(49:50):
me LIKE i just Think Alfred collins is going to
be a winner against the. RUN i don't think he's
going to give you a lot against the. Pass but
if you tell ME i can get a really solid
rotational interior defensive lineman in the second, Round who's go
to give me plus snaps against the run in a
defense where teams are wanting to mash against, you in
a conference where you have to play against The Baltimore
ravens with regularity and all these other teams that are

(50:12):
starting to run the ball and try and co match
you a little. BIT i do Like Alfred collins a,
Lot LIKE i can't shake. Him even though the pass
rush game is, ugly the run defense stuff is so
plus in a multitude of. Ways, again like we talked
about block, recognition, length, violence, like, displacement. Limitation he ticks
all these. Boxes if he had like any, Set like

(50:35):
if he was like at least average as a pass,
rusher he'd be a first round like solid guy like
lock with what he is as a run, Defender like
if he could just be average as a rusher, man
he would be a.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Dude, Yeah BECAUSE i mean at six to six his,
size that it's. Unique those type of players don't grow on.
Trees like that's why you would bet on someone like.
That that's why he's probably gonna go early day two
because of that, size and teams are gonna, say, look
if we can just teach you to use your hand
is a bit better and stop spinning in place.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Like we can spin, forward why are you stuck in?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Momentum go, left go, right then spin like just figure
some of these things.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Out if, anything it's like it's almost harder to spin
in place with the motion that he, Does, like how
do you not go forward at?

Speaker 3 (51:17):
ALL i.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
DON'T i don't. Know there's a lot of these defense.
Tackles that's why they stay away from the spin because
unless you are a unique athlete Like darius All danner
get a couple of spin, Moves i'm, like, okay we're,
here we are at this point where you can do.
That but a lot of a lot of guys can't
do it because they don't have that feel for. It it's,
yeah it's not. EASY a lot of times when you do,

(51:40):
spin you do you don't, Move you're just you're just
figuring it. Out SO i don't. Know and that's why
you see a lot of, guys like the defensive ends
that do. It they always come with the ice pick
because that's how you judge one where you are and
it gives you that added. Momentum you're just, Like, OKAY
i FOUND i found the. Side that's Where i'm going
for AND i can keep going. FORWARD i never see

(52:02):
a defensive tackle do. That it's always just a spin
and then he's just, like, oh oh, okay he's still.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Here i'm here, Now, yeah what DO i do with
My it's very much like Like Ricky, Bobby LIKE i
don't know what to do with my, Hands like they
hit the spin and it's, like what happens? NOW i
Did phase? One now what's phase? Two oh?

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Man it's it's it's. Interesting i'm gonna give you a. Reach, okay,
WELL i have a reach, player AND i wonder if
people are gonna EVEN i don't know how to pronounce
his last. Name that's part of my. Problem IT'S Jj,
pegless a miss. Interesting i'm high ON. JJ i know
a lot of people IF i have more than the fourth,
ROUND i have a third round grade on. Him but

(52:42):
you can do so much with, him so, much not
just on the defense. Side he. Can we will give
you full back, reps real full back. Reps he's a
good pass, catcher he's a damn good uh pass, protector
and he is a goal line. Option he SCORED i
believe eight or eight touchdowns seven touchdowns last year for All.

(53:02):
Miss so he's he's just a, fun fun. Player he's
a six two and a half and three hundred and nine.
Pounds so one thing you guys will find out quickly
about me is THAT i can't stand watching all miss
defense defensive line, SPECIFICALLY i can't stand it because you
have three hundred and nine POUNDS jj playing at seven

(53:25):
tech Or Walter nolan who is a three tech playing.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Zero not to, mention they run so many like games
up front that it's just like it's, bro it's everywhere
we're doing but so much.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
It's hard to figure. Out he's not the best against double.
TEAMS i will. Say while he gets his hands on,
fast he doesn't have that anchor. YET i still think
that he has some work to do from finding that
kickstan and finding his own. Power but he gets into gaps.
Quickly he's got a good first. Step he, honestly it's

(53:58):
a great first. STEP i know you post did the
clip of him doing the euro on on the left, side, ye,
RIGHT i Guess jones against LSTE i was, Like, oh
that's what perked me.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
UP i was, like, oh this is the cross.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Chop what are we doing? Here you don't see guys
like that with the euro cross and then be able
to put his feet in the ground and get down the.
Line that's. Unique SO i think that there's. Versatility there's
clear pass rush. Upside he's got to work on his
his conditioning and his anchor against double. Teams but again
we're talking about a reach at the end of the

(54:33):
second round or trading into the third round and taking
him there because it's just a lot of.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Fun you're gonna like this reference because you're wearing A
Star wars. Shirt joe called Him Darth pegs the wise
yes reference To Darth, plagus AND i was, like that's very.
Good that's very well. Done, yeah a plus.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Fantastic my entire arm loves it as. Well that's very.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
FAIR Jj pegways pisses me off for one. Reason initially
IS i didn't realize he was doing the jersey swap.
Thing so so he's as so for those who don't,
know he is eighty, nine like that's his, actual you,
know jersey. Number but then he is he wears number

(55:18):
thirty eight when he's at home because he has The
Chucky Mullens Courage award and it's his dad's. Number so there's,
like so there were games Where i'm watching like home
old miss games And i'm, like where's? Pegwis where is?
It Like i'm looking AND i see that he's got
like forty eight snaps this, GAME i mean the second.
QUARTER i haven't seen him take anything with. It and

(55:39):
then it was the. Game oh it was oh, OKAY
i forget what game. WAS i watched so many But
Ole miss is Like texas from me Between Nolan, Princely,
Omama yellen Pegwist. Amos i've watched so Much Old miss
that everything is a. Blur BUT i was, like thirty
eight kind of moves LIKE, jj AND i looked it.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Up that was?

Speaker 1 (56:03):
It AND i was, like AND i looked it up
AND i was, like son of a. Bit SO i
had to go back in all these games and look
for thirty. Eight SO i had to watch twice AND
i was so mad at, MYSELF i, guess but, yeah,
man right. Now but the MOVEMENT i, WAS i do
have more of a, like he's a guy that IF
i would jump at potentially if he's there in like round,

(56:25):
FOUR i do have more of like A day three
grade on. Him but in terms of a, reach like
it's not. Crazy he's got some good. Movement he flashes
a spin and a couple of times an actual effective.
One he's not just spinning in. Place but, yeah some
of some of the movements was really. NICE i had, One,
oh he's he's at. Edge it's. Funny some of my

(56:46):
favorite reps are him playing as like a five. Tech,
yeah because it's the. Game, OH i think it's Uh
oumamyellen goes, out so they MOVED jj to play edge
the majority of this. GAME i think it's it's Not.
OKLAHOMA i can't remember the. Games they're all, mush but
they run counter towards him and he just murh it's

(57:08):
in the low red zone and he just annihilates the
pulling guard plays through him and then he makes the
tackle behind the line AND i was, like, oh but
then you talk about conditioning and. Stuff the next play
he's gassed and he just like goes like this down
the line And i'm, like damn Like JERRY. J but,
yeah the flashes are. Cool like he's an interesting, name for.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
SURE i was.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
MORE i literally got to him over the past couple
of days AS i Finished i'd watched him in spurts
and finished a little, bit AND i was, like, oh
like HE i liked him a lot more THAN i
THOUGHT i. Would so that's a really interesting. Name i've
Got i've got a bit of a reach as, well not,
MAYBE i mean maybe for some not as big or
ACTUALLY i have some. Bills fans probably see this as
like right in Line Joshua.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Farmer, YEAH.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I like, him but also like hate. Him it's just
the WEIRDEST i describe him in AND i mean this
in a positive but also as a negative at. Times
he's if you just put long arms on a battering.
Ram that is What Joshua farmer. Is AND i mean
this literally for, everybody like he is a straight, line linear.

(58:16):
Player for everybody thinking of a battering, ram think A
lord of The rings the second one and The orcs
are trying to bash down the door To Helm's. Deep
they just take the batter. Ram they swing it back
and boom and back and. Forth that Is Joshua. Farmer
he's just up and, down straight, line back and. Forth
but now the power and the pop and the explosion

(58:37):
when he goes forward man, like there is literal juice to,
him and then he flashes some lateral, Explosion like he'll
take that large, step he can kind of jump one
gap a little, bit and then he'll dip and rip
through and power a little. Bit so he's got a
little bit of lateral explosion to, him but just the,
vertical straight line upfield power and juice on the snap is.

(59:00):
Beautiful and he'll literally just fling himself into double. Teams
and he's got the long. ARMS i like him to
use them a bit more, efficiently especially as a. RUSHER
i feel like he lacks transitions and moves as a.
Rusher and there's games, where you, KNOW i let off
for him Watching clemson And Notre dame AND i was just, like,

(59:22):
MAN i don't see anything with this. Guy he had
a couple and THEN i Watched Georgia tech and he
had like a couple plays Against Georgia. Tech BUT i was, like,
Man i'm not seeing. It AND i kept seeing a
lot of people give love for, him and THEN i
got to like The North carolina, game AND i forget
what ELSE i SO i was, Like, OKAY i started
to see like a little bit more, here and he's
got some nice rushes off the edge, too AND i was, Like,
okay start to see it a little. Bit BUT i
think he's he's another. One WHEN i feel like he's

(59:44):
in like a limited or like a siloed, ROLE i
feel like he's a better pass rusher Than Alfred, collins
BUT i or more effective pass, RUSHER i should, say
BUT i don't think he's as good of a run.
Defender and he you, know we're talking about basses. Earlier
he plays with a very narrow Bas there's times where
his length and lean gives him leverage and he's good
and he's not, moving and then there's other times where

(01:00:05):
he's getting knocked down like three, gaps like he's in
THE a and he gets pushed to like the far
side seat and he's just out and it sometimes not even,
doubles it's just. SINGLES i do have more of like
a three to a four grade on. Him i'm actually
pulling up in my notes right. Now what DO i
have On, YEAH i have a a late three to a,
four just because there were some things that that WHAT

(01:00:25):
i mentioned THAT i didn't. Like but he's a guy, that,
like if you're if you really need a defensive, TACKLE
i don't hate them taking him, there but if he's
your best, OPTION i would rather wait till round. Four
based on some of the NAMES i think that will be,
there BUT i Think farmer's a really interesting one for a.
Reach Peg west is a really interesting one, too in

(01:00:46):
terms of, again like do you do you, okay screw,
it we'll we'll hope that there's someone there at, four
or do you cause this is a position of, need
not just With Daikwon jones getting long in the tooth
And dake And Dwayne carter by a bit of a question,
mark But Ogain jobey suspended for those first six, games
like And Ogen jobey's only on a one, year so

(01:01:06):
you need somebody for twenty twenty five and twenty twenty.
Six so this is a position in. Need so do you?
Reach do you play the? GAME i think there's some
interesting names here that might creep into the back end
of round two here for The, bills and maybe some
for other teams as.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Well, yeah who. KNOWS i mean IF i have a
fourth round bread end farmer as. WELL i liked WHAT
i saw from again the linear, examples like he gets
off the ball extremely. Well, YEAH i thought his lateral
anchor was a, Problem like he got moved down the
line far too. Much LIKE i think it's that narrow
base because his feed are so close. Together he can't
like he can't. Stop he starts getting push. Sideways it's
over and once he gets those hands on guys in

(01:01:42):
front of, Him he's, like, yeah you're. MINE i can do.
This but is he's trying to move laterally because like you,
said he does have that INITIAL i even put it
in my, notes like he's got good lateral. Quickness then
once he gets, there he doesn't know what to. Do,
yeah like he just gets he just gets upended far
too easy from those. Spots AND i, agree is if
past rush, guy he could be a gap Shooter like

(01:02:03):
that's he's pretty good at finding those, spots but just
still some things he needs to work. On like there
was a defensive tackle out Of alabama a few years
ago who would kind of reminded me of. THIS i
forget his, NAME i don't, know it doesn't it doesn't
matter at this. Point but he was awesome one on,
one like just, awesome just dominated guys one on, one double.

(01:02:23):
Teams doneline you started to see he get a. Problem
Joshua farmer is kind of the. Same SO i think
that he's probably going to be A day three. Player but, overall,
again if you are needing that type of uh of
a player reaching in the in the end of the
second or again maybe trading back into the third. Round
get someone like that does make a lot of sense
for this for not just the, bills but lots of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Teams and he fits more of, like, okay like what
he can do on the, interior he fits more of their,
archetype like has that upfield penetration, juice like can do
enough against the, run like that's kind of what they gravitate.
Towards and he's got he's got some flashes where like
he times the snaps so well plus his, juice and
he fights through a double team like He's King. Kong

(01:03:04):
like he's in the a gap just murdering guards and
centers and you're, like, oh and then with the long,
arms it's even. Better And i'm, like, oh. Okay and
Then i'm watching him get pinned, on you, know a
down block on three consecutive gap scheme runs AND i
want to throw my computer through the window just because
he can't do anything about. It, yeah he's a really
he's an interesting. ONE i think he fits their, archetype

(01:03:25):
which is WHY i could see them like potentially being
kind of a fan of. His one last, PIECE i
wanted to mention it you mentioned, someone BUT i want
to put into percentile perspective For Alfred collins ninety fourth
percentile for, height ninety second percentile for, weight ninety seventh
percentile for, wingspan and ninetieth percentile for arm. LENGTH i

(01:03:47):
just find that so. Ridiculous they don't make them like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
That that's. Nuts that's absolutely, insane.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Nineties at all of. Them but it's just it's just so.
Crazy it's just so.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Fun does a pass rusher man give me?

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Something, no just one, man just one like even just
not guys. Back just give me some speed to. Power
just use your long arms and push a guy back
like four yards one. Time just do, Me just give me.
That just be, LIKE i don't need you to be
even a five out of. Ten just be like like
a three and a half or a. Four just stop
being like a one and a, half please, Please. Alfred,
yeah anybody else on your? Mind or, yeah you're gonna

(01:04:23):
go here in the?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
ROUND i Think i'm good to. GO i mean you
probably you guys probably heard a number of other players,
too but we'll get INTO i think day, three this
is this is there's a lot of guys THAT i
like that maybe you haven't heard.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Of that's fair last one real quick THAT i know
some people like. HIM i like him as, well BUT
i just don't think he's a fit out at this.
Point once the before The bill Signed Ogun jobey T
J sanders would have been more of a target for
me here in this. Spot but once they're, signed once
they sign him and they do want more of a
one tech, PIECE i just don't Think sanders fits that.

(01:04:55):
Mold he's got some really great flashes AND i like
what he, does but if they didn't Have Ogen, jobe
he would be a target or me in this. Spot
but he's a guy, where oh you need more of
like a one tech type of. FIT i don't Think
sanders is your GUY i need to put to The
bill's credit OR i don't, know maybe DETRIMENT i. GUESS
i don't think they'd be scared at playing because that's
what they like to. Do but, yeah that's part of

(01:05:17):
the reason WHY i didn't mention you. Here but because
he's a guy that's in my top ten defensive tackles
AND i like. It BUT i JUST i just wrote
once these guys to know With, JOBEY i was, LIKE
i don't it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Anymore, YEAH i got a third round on, him so
he's he's there as well in that. Bucket it's, just,
dude you need to be better against the run like, this,
DUDE i love. AGAIN i love the first step. EXPLOSIVENESS
i love the physicality that he plays. WITH i think
he's a good pass rusher even even can get better
at that to some. Degree but he just again just
it's straight, up it's straight, up and you just he gets.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Moved, yes just.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Moved, Yes LIKE i. CAN'T i can't do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
That that's my biggest. Thing that's my biggest thing with the,
Bills LIKE i just they need somebody who will not get, moved,
like they need somebody who will not get. Displaced that's. It,
like that's the biggest. Thing and so even IF i
see somebody WHO i love ninety nine snaps in a
row and then on that one hundred they get displaced,
horribly even, that even though the sample sized, dwarfs And i'm,
like oh, no like, exactly but let alone with someone

(01:06:15):
For sanders who that happens two. More SO i know
he's a target for some folks and he still might
be for. Them but, Yeah i'm not knocking him on this.
One all, Right let's get into some day three targets
at defensive tackle for The. Bills these could be guys
that we think fit in round four or maybe late
on day three offer some usefulness in some form or.

(01:06:36):
Fashion i'm excited for you to mention some guys that
you are wondering if people are going to know the names.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Of So i'm.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Excited feel free to if you want to list them
all and talk them all, about you, know in a,
group or if you want to do one by, one
however you want to go to the, floor is?

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Yours? Yeah? Man this is. Again this is a lot
of fun because as we work through, again we watch
a lot of different. Players but there's one guy That
i've just been for whatever reason AND i keep finding
nobody else high on, him And Tim smith out Of
alabama might be one of, them like just one of my,

(01:07:09):
Guys LIKE i JUST i love watching him play because
he's he's Not he's not gonna shed blocks very. Quickly
he's just not going. To but what he does in
vertically displacing offensive linemen every single game that you watch has.
Value if you're constantly putting guards and tackles and centers

(01:07:29):
in the lap of ball, carriers guys can make plays.
Like that's what he. Does he's like a lynchpin for
a defense where linebackers can flow up behind, him safeties
can come flying through because he's getting real vertical displacement
and when you have that, ability it's something that's really
valuable for a. Defense and he's just so. Physical he
plays with fantastic pad, level and he has a good

(01:07:51):
anchor as. Well he's just he's a two down, guy
which again who. Cares he's a former defensive end, too
former like four star player At. Alabama that all they
do is bring in, athletes AND i think he's a decent.
ATHLETE i don't think he's a great, athlete but he's
not going to get into gaps and then be a backfield.
Presence what he's going to do is going to take

(01:08:12):
blocks back or eat blocks and make guys. Clean so
on day, three this is a guy specifically tailored to
help your second level and third levels get in the
backfield against the run and then at the at the very,
LEAST i, mean that's that's what he brings. You, like
if that's it on day, three we're. Good we're. Happy

(01:08:32):
we don't have to worry about past rush upside here
for a guy who's again a, senior doesn't have a
ton of, production but the physical, TRAITS i think there
was A i THINK i actually. DO i have a
clip up on him pass rushing Against Will campbell and
beating him like it just like just some random things
that just don't make, sense like it just he's got

(01:08:55):
something to him AND i might just like that kind of.
Player Another i'm gonna have two kind of, tweeners, okay
Because i'm sure they were mentioned on defensive end, groups
BUT i think both of them probably end up playing
closer to threes maybe four eyes in THE. Nfl, again
maybe not Necessarily bill's, fits but if you talk about
guys that are typically, Undersized Saveon jones AT lsu is

(01:09:19):
one of my, favorite like two. Ninety maybe you can
get him up to three hundred pounds and you can
see what you do with. Him just physical, dog do
whatever you, want like he, doesn't he doesn't. Care he'll
put his face in against double. Teams he will rush
from one all the way. Out, again he's an, edge
but he looks. Bigger he's got some decent athleticism to.
Him the motor runs really really. Hot he's, long he's.

(01:09:41):
Big like still, again there's a lot of upside there with,
him but you might never get to that point so
that you always have to try and figure that. Out
then who is the other guy THAT i was Gonna
he's a little bit on the lighter, side so this
might not actually. Work but Tyron Ingram dawkins out Of
georgia is a fun player as, well but strictly defensive. Tackles,

(01:10:04):
okay you said, IT i said it. Earlier Jamar caldwell
might be my favorite player in day on day, THREE
i would probably take him in the third. Round that's.
OKAY i Love Jamar. Caldwell and he's again in That Kenneth,
grant why are you moving the way that you're? Moving?
Guy and then even though he's probably gonna have some

(01:10:26):
early concerns with, conditioning he doesn't play like. It he
gets down the, line he will run like you see
some of these guys LIKE. Cj west or Even Darius,
alexander who are big, guys but they're not giving you
there all all the. Time you're not gonna have that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Question would you Call caldwell plays one hundred miles an
hour one hundred percent of the. Time man at three pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
And he probably lost weight going to the. Combine he
was probably closer to three point. FORTY i LOVE i
JUST i love. HIM i think that he's got real
first step quickness and he doesn't doesn't get. Displaced he,
doesn't he. Won't and that's why they were so comfortable
Playing Derek harmont at three and, five because, hey we

(01:11:08):
have a guy who can just eat blocks all day
long and you can do whatever you need to, do
so you. Have and by the, way back to The harmon,
stuff everyone talks about his getting in the. BACKFIELD i
didn't think he was overly special getting in the Backfield.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
HARMON i.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Didn't, YEAH i didn't think He you know what's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Funny you mentioned THEN i. Forgot one of my biggest
knocks Against harmon is he's more of a disruptor than the.
Finisher LIKE i see him, Like i'm, like, oh he
does start a play and Then i'm, like, Oh i'm,
like oh this is here comes the Big oh, no,
no it's not falls off a lots of, tackles falls
off on running, backs on, quarterbacks like for being like the,

(01:11:46):
long strong kind of. Guy and then, yeah LIKE I
i don't know If this is me seeing kind of
the numbers and, thinking, okay LIKE i am putting a
pulling up his sea sure, now like because you, know per,
pff he's got fifty five pressures on the, year and
you hear about LIKE i was leading the league and
this and that in college in N c DOUBLE. A

(01:12:08):
but to your, point, yeah LIKE i GUESS i just, expected,
man this guy's always going to be living in the
backfield and penetration and making plays and HE i FELT
i like, him and again he's my defensive tackle, too
BUT i felt underwhelmed at times WHEN i didn't expect
to given the BECAUSE i start with the metrics and
then go for go for the film to kind of
shape me a little. Bit and, YEAH i think that's

(01:12:29):
a fair. Point actually it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
WAS i recently just cross checked him, again LIKE i
just did the cross check for, it AND i watched
the last four games of the, season like the ones
where THEYRE i went.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
BACK i went back On monday and watched him again.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Too that's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Funny, Yeah So.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
I'm, like where is? It? Where where is? It and
AGAIN i like. HIM i really believe he's gonna a good.
Player but that's getting off the off the off off
the rails. Here Jomran callwell is maybe one of my. Favorite,
AGAIN i watched him Against michigan WHILE i was Watching
harmon for a video earlier this, year And i'm just,
like that's the GUY i like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
To play Against. Michigan granted it's into the boundary where
they Put orgy in and he gets down the. Run
he Forced orgy out of, balance AND i was, like
IF i had a like a, stamp like a, NOTARY
i would have been, like, bang he gets, It Like
i'm in for this. Guy LIKE i was Just orgy
can move. Man and again it was into the, boundary

(01:13:21):
but he got down the. Line he recognized that the
keep on the read and he got to him AND
i was, like holy, Hell like that sold.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Me and that's the, thing like HE'S i love the
effort that he plays with and he's my biggest gripe
is that he's. Unbalanced that's really it falls. Down he
gets when he's, moving you, know you see you start
to see. It you start to see him just kind
of tip.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Over and because he's a little top, heavy he's he's
listed at three thirty. Two i'd like to see. Him
could you be like three twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Two at six, two again with being top heavy and
not necessarily having it all in the pants as you
probably need. To he's a bit two, round so again
he needs shift maybe some of that, down maybe just
ten of, it like, fine ten pounds.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Added to the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Legs you can final. It my comp for.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Him you remember Bj rogi for the, Packers, yes oh,
yeah he's like reverse Bj, rogi where if you took
a little out of the pants from Bj rogi and
put it more into the upper part Of Jamari. Caldwell,
like that's what it is, like AND i can't get that.
Comp plus they both wore ninety and so like that
kind of sticks in my. Mind oh that's. Funny, yeah
yeah he. Does you can see he like he's, motoring

(01:14:30):
but it is also, yeah like he's teetering as he.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Frunts it's it's it's an unfortunate. Thing like you see
some guys that they need sand in the. Pants he
doesn't need sand in the. Pants he's. Weight he just
weight because he's already a really good run, Defender like
he doesn't need that technique. Stuff it's all just we
gotta move, this we gotta move it down a little
bit because you're just you're running and you're falling. Over
so he's a good a good. One and THEN i

(01:14:53):
think one of the other guys that is probably under
discussed Is Warren Brinson Defense Attack go out Of. Georgia
six fifteen, pounds thirty three plus inch, arms ten inch.
Hands he's one gap kind of. Guy you're not gonna
have two, gaps which is fine FOR i believe for The,
bills you don't need him to run two. Gaps but
good first step, quickness he plays with good pad. LEVEL

(01:15:18):
i think he does a nice job of getting his
body into gaps. Right so again we talked earlier about
how you want to force double teams to kind of
turn their body to. YOU i think he does a
good job of doing. That and then he's able to
kind of like bull rush a little. BIT i, mean
maybe not necessarily the best pass. Rusher, again this is
more of a pure run stuff for, first with his

(01:15:38):
size and then the physical tools he has with his
hands and long. Arms so a guy who can give
you some of that first second run down, stuff but
he's more of a pocket collaps or as a pass
rusher if he's out. There but, OVERALL i think that
what he's able to do from giving you a little
bit more hand usage maybe and then the physical tools
with the, length and AGAIN i think he's a good athlete,

(01:15:59):
too so there's still more upside. There, again we talk
ABOUT sec Teams, Georgia TEXAS a and M. Alabama these
guys bring in athletes and never develop them. Ever, ever
Like Michael williams you talked about, it look at what
we've seen With Treyvon. Walker he's just now getting to
scratch the surface and they have to pay. Him, like

(01:16:21):
So brinson's gonna be A day three guy for, Me
and again that if he ends up scratching, anything you're, like,
yes that's, awesome that's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Fair, yeah that's a. Win that's also a good point
like thing to put into perspective as, Well LIKE i
and maybe The bills has been like a little, spoiled
but Like Khalil shakir was A day three guy And
Christian benford was A day three. Guy like those are tremendous.
Hits but usually like if you can just get A
day three guy to be like on your depth chart
positively for like three or four years or for the

(01:16:52):
life cycle of his, contract that's a huge. Win or
if you get A day three guy who's like a
good special, teamer like that's a. Win so if you
can get somebody who's like an actual rotational or role
player on offense or, defense that's a. Win AND i, like,
yeah like the guys you, TABBED i like the roles
and the fit and oh NOW i kind Of i'll you,

(01:17:12):
Know i'll start with just a. Piggyback i'll start With
jamari Carl. WELL i don't have too much BAD i
just love, him LIKE i. Man and there's some really
cool reps with him And Derek, harmon like dropping the
knee in unison against, doubles like just hands knee and
it's just, like, oh it's so pretty to. Watch he
plays a good pad. Level he's consistently getting under offensive

(01:17:33):
lineman AND i the THING i used to just phrase
him up is he just makes life hard for offensive.
Linemen he battles with his hands with, Leverage he gums
up double. Teams we talked about he can drop the.
KNEE i, like how you, know we talked about guys
getting washed down Like farmer a little bit with the narrow.
Base WHAT i, like the ball Called well is not

(01:17:53):
all the. Time but he's flashes is. Enough he's able
to reduce his surface area on the move and he
can settle vers zone. Runs if he's starting to get washed,
down he can change his body and momentum and like
keep playing his feet and then split him and get
back and making an effort Him like OH i like,
That like you're not just getting Washed especially for a
guy who is more top, HEAVY i expect to be, like,
oh you're not gonna be able to have like that

(01:18:14):
that like the sideways anchor to be able to stop
your momentum, maybe and he is active hands on the block. Recognition,
yeah there's JUST i kept going back And oregon was
one of those teams between watching For, harmon Watching birch
and then Watching callwell or then watching teams that were
playing Against, oregon my eyes somehow just kept, like, oh

(01:18:36):
there goes ninety doing something sweet like, Oh i'm WATCHING
i want to see You askton genty Against. OREGON i
keep Watching Jamari callwell because he keeps doing something sweet
like just what he does the short ARMS i think
will limit him a bit at the tackle, point and
you know in terms of getting sacks as, well but
out of a lot of the guys WHO i like
on day three at defensive tackle have shorter.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Arms he has the longest out of all of, them.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Thirty two inch, arms which is, percentile so kind of
put that in perspective for the defensive. Tackles i'm gravitating
towards here That Jamari caldwell has the longest arms in
the twelve, percentile so kind of put that. There but,
yeah just a fun, guy, juice, effort, hustle gums up the.
Works like if you can get me a guy on
day three that will consistently be a pain in the
ass for the opponent to play, Against i'm fine with.

(01:19:20):
That and he's a pain in the ass on the
interior AND i mean that the best way. Possible so,
yeah starting with. Him another one WHO i, LIKE i
don't like as much As, calledwell but the, FLASHES i
just can't shake, him and especially at the, Size Jay
toya FROM ucla six, two three hundred and forty two,
pounds but he moves so much better than.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
That i'm really upset THAT i didn't say his name like.
THAT I i BECAUSE i grated him earlier in the.
Season and again this is this in the, Summer LIKE
i liked him in the. Summer you, See i'm, like
why is this guy not even being talked? About, well
because he's not a he's not a pass. Rusher he's
he's not gonna do. It but, yeah go, ahead go.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
Ahead he uh.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Former rugby, player WHICH i like BECAUSE i played. Rugby
and it shows with his, athleticism like you, see like
he moves well for his, size good, athleticism good movement
for his. SIZE a couple of really good reps to
kind of show what he. Is the way he like
chases down, screens like he gets, upfield he can put
his foot in the, ground turn and then like a
short area burst up field against a tunnel screen to

(01:20:25):
like get down wide receivers good get. Off needs to
improve his blocking scheme recognition AND i put you know
as an, example and needs to read slash field doubles
and drop the knee or anchor better and or more
timely and not get washed down or split zone. Runs
he also has shorter. Arms OH i lied about His
his arms are longer than. Called he's in the twenty

(01:20:46):
fifth percentile for armlengs win for. Toy, yeah there you,
go but just explosion on the snap to generate displacement
and knock back and just a big body dude who's
got some hand usage and some violence. Inside he's a
GUY i think you could get like If i'm almost
to the point of if they don't get one of

(01:21:09):
the first round guys we talked, about and then if
Like Darius alexander or our second round guys Like art
there aside from the, Reaches i'm almost cool like waiting
until round four and then going For caldwell or maybe
your second fourth round er and you Get toya or
something like, that just because of how they play AND
i think they would fit a. Role is it going

(01:21:29):
to be a? Nitroll? Yes is it a useful one
and valuable one in my? Estimation? Yes and so that's
kind of where my head is at. There so J
toya is somebody WHO i. Like along With. Caldwell this
is someone WHO i came across recently and AS i
was watching For Omar Norman lot And James, pierce WHO

(01:21:51):
i wasn't really too big of a fan of. Either
Guy Elijah simmons number ten For tennessee just again late
late day. Guy he's somebody, like, okay take with like
one of your six round picks that you have bills on.
Episodes take with one of your sixth round. Picks big body,
dude pure run, stopper silo type of. Guy but the

(01:22:11):
the juice that he has with that, size like at
where are my notes? Here six three hundred and thirty four,
pounds but good center of, gravity with how he's, built
like he is built, stocky like you've got the, frame
you've got the. Stock you don't have to worry about

(01:22:32):
how he's, proportioned like he's built like a run. Defender
he is a run. Defender and you've got some flashes
of like violence in his hand usage and. Movement and
the reps that really got me were him just being
a pain in the ass against double teams And oklahoma
couldn't move. Him but then there's somewhere he's like ripping
through like he takes a good first, step, penetrates rips

(01:22:56):
through the. Center and then because he's so, big the
center can't like ride him. Around he just plays right
through the. Center AND i was, like, oh and so,
again like a guy who can play a role and
fin a NICHE i can value. That and So Elijah
simmons is a Late day three, guy And i'll mention
a couple. Others ONE i know the people that the

(01:23:16):
chat has been talking about him every single. Week he
was mentioned a couple of times in this. EPISODE i
think he's all right AND i would consider. Him On day.
Three Jordan phillips From, maryland somebody who actually on the,
interior the opposite Of Alpha. Collins he uses a spin.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Move and it actually.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Works can't fair uh Four this is just such a
random stat four spin moves Against Michigan state is a pass,
rusher but he more just throws it than he does
necessarily like lines it up and like ice picks. It
like he's more just it's like it's like pre. Snap he's, Like,
Okay i'm gonna do the spin and it works like

(01:23:53):
three out of the, four but it's not. Great one of.
Them he one of. THEM i feel so. Bad This
Michigan state. Center he he hits the. Spin it's the
second one that he. Throws i'm, sorry it's the third
one that he, throws because the first one works, great
the second one does. Not the third one he throws
the ice pick hand comes around and just conks the

(01:24:15):
center in the back of the. Head slash like the
ear and you can see him do one like one of.
Those i'm just, like oh he that just looks like
it felt so uncomfortable for that poor. Center but he's
another dude short. Arms as a big body, GUY i
also see him more as like a true nose THAN
i do as more of a one tech even though
he's got like them the weight that could fit into.
One but just how he plays why base low pad,

(01:24:40):
level literally gets in like a sumo stance pre snap
with like why, base and like both fists are like
touching the. Ground he can drop the knee versus doubles
That kickstan like he talked about a couple of really
good reps like that Against Michigan. State he's another guy that,
again LIKE i, mentioned the short arms are gonna limit
him overall as a player and as a. Rusher he's
got hit thirty one and a half inch, arms which

(01:25:01):
is six percentile for defensive, tackles and you see it
like he'll he's got to. REP i think it's Against
Michigan state where he like goes to the club and
it just it just doesn't do anything because because his
arms are so, short where he makes contact is in
the shoulder pad of the. Center but it's essentially just

(01:25:22):
like wrist and, fist so they're not going. Anywhere you
don't have any leverage behind that because your arm isn't
long enough and then if if you want to use that,
move you got to get in really. Tight but then
you're in this advantageous position because now they're gonna the
offensive line is gonna be able to get into your.
Body SO i do view him as more just a true,
nose like playing with some lag technique and let him
kind of just gum things up on the. Inside but

(01:25:44):
good lower body flexibility and better movement for him THAN
i THOUGHT i was going to. See the short arms
are a bit, damning AND i don't like to play that.
CARD i was a staunch believer In roger McCreary And
trent McDuffie when everybody told me that they could not
play because they had short arm AND i was, Like,
NOPE i don't. Care So i'm not one of those
like you got to tick these measurables and if, not you're.

(01:26:06):
Out BUT i do think the short arms are going
to be a bit of a. Problem but, again if
we're sitting here on day, THREE i do have MORE
i would PREFER i would Prefer phillips more in the
fifth THAN i were with the. Fourth BUT i can
understand it a little. BIT i would Take caldwell And
toya ahead Of. PHILLIPS i can Understand phillips going ahead Of,

(01:26:27):
toya BUT i would prefer Called. WELL i would Prefer
toya and then another couple uh THAT i want to
mention as. Well Cam jackson defensive tackle From, florida six,'
six three hundred and twenty, eight pounds thirty four and
one eighth inch arms like super. Long. Arms you he
uses that length of stack and shed and wrangle. Ball
carriers he plays considerably low considering that he's six, foot

(01:26:50):
six and then plays with the, wide base uses that
plus his length to. Limit displacement just moves like, a
plotter though there's not a lot of pass. Rush juice
like when when he play is, The run, you're, like
oh that's a. Big dude and then when he runs
as a, Pass rusher, you're like oh that's a. Big, dude, yeah,
yeah exactly that's exactly what. It is, but Again if i'm,
SITTING there i think he can fit. A roll if

(01:27:12):
you took him in round four, ROUND five i wouldn't
be upset with that. At all and then someone else that, YOU. Mentioned,
Cj west he's a GUY more i wouldn't mind in.
ROUND four i prefer in round FIVE THAT i i
like how much of like a leader and communicator and
disruptor that. He is but the arm length. Gets me
he's another guy with six percentile arms thirty one and,

(01:27:34):
a half really active hands like which he needs because
he doesn't have, the length so that you'll, get swipes you'll,
get chopps you'll get some shed and. Good athleticism but
if he's not, winning initially like right on the snap as,
a rusher he. Stalls out he gets stood up far
more than. You like and then, it's, like okay but he's, six, one.
Three sixteen here comes the run. Defense PIECE but i

(01:27:56):
don't think the block recognition is. Necessarily there he has
some really good flash WHICH that i think are more
just he's hitting this, gap anyway and the run just happens.
To allow THERE'S one i think one of, the ones
Maybe Against notre Dame Or, OHIO state i. Can't remember
it's a. Zone run we're looking at It from so
the defense is here the offense is on the, other

(01:28:17):
side so it's going to the, offenses right the defense,
is left and he blows. It up but it's just
because it's a zone run and he was already going
INTO the b gap and so it just happens to like.
Work out, it's, like oh that's a, great play and
it's like not to be, a dick but like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
It just worked.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Out there you were, just, there yeah like you were
looking fastball and you got. A fastball like you still
had to, hit, it yes but you didn't have to
like read the pitch. Or anything the quickness and athleticism
for his size is, genuinely IMPRESSIVE and i like what
he does on games, up front but he just plays
a little too high for. My liking guys get under him.
Too much he's not the run Defender that i'd like
him to be at. His size and then because of

(01:28:52):
the short arms and lack of pass, rush repertoire that
just scares me off of him a. Little bit so
THAT'S why i push it more towards like a fifth
or sixth. TYPE deal i know a lot of people
like him because he's big and he's got some great
Flashes and indiana was really fun this year with like what,
they did but he just has some concerns for me
in terms of so kind of of those grouping of,
Those guys I'LL mention I, Prefer, caldwell toya AND then

(01:29:13):
i can make a case for kind of anybody else
depending on where we wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
To, go YEAH. The cj, West stuff i've been, saying
THAT like i Feel like. I'M crazy i gave him
a six, round grade.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Like you, Kept nodding you kept nodding with me as
if you like. Appreciate it so and so That's like
i've been sitting here, AND yeah i have like a
fifth sixth, on HIM but i really put the fifth
just to be GENEROUS because i didn't want to get
yelled at because everybody kept BEING. Like cj west in
round TWO and i was like, round two what like what?

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
It was what? IS happening i don't he's that was
said like seven or eight times per game where he's just.
Given up he gives up. On plays and we're talking
about a. GUY again i don't care that you Played,
at toledo but he's a fifth year. Guy too there
is some. To that and if you're giving up on
plays you're playing too high and if you consistently get

(01:30:00):
off the ball and then get JUST if i see
this like far, TOO much I just i'm kind.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Of out he gives his chest up and just guys gets. Right, out.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Yeah you opened up my eyes to some more run
Fits because i've done a lot more work on some
of these. Guys Too junior tafuna Out of utah is
another run defensive. Guy, fit again we're talking about thirty
two and a half, Inch arms so maybe on the
higher side of the guys you've Talked.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
About actor compared to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
About right he six three and eight pounds and, just
explosive physical guy that will just. Eat blocks he's not
gonna SHED great i. Don't, care again we're Talking about
day three guy and he's just gonna. Eat. Blocks, Yeah
yeah black is the premiere one zero tech in this

(01:30:52):
class For a day. Three guy, he's huge he has
like thirty five or thirty six. Inch arms. He's insane
he's never gonna give you anything as. Pass rusher he
is so slow and narrow because of, his size but
he will eat blocks.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
All day he's six six, foot five three hundred and thirty.
Six pounds with thirty five. INCH arms i think he
had the longest arms in, THIS class.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
I BELIEVE or i, Believe second so it's first second,
he was he.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
Was there He is he is a like a like
a terrifyingly.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Large man saw him At The senior bowl And just
I'M just i was watching him, just, like yeah one,
On ones, i'm, like yeah you can't. Do anything he's
just so narrow. And tall his high hit too for
a guy who's six, to six which does not. Help
you so just a couple of scheme fits there in
terms of just pure run stuffing GUYS that i had

(01:31:45):
graded and uh were on my, list too so there's
there's tons.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Of, them yeah which. IS fun I wanted i really
wanted to like him more because of his size and then, Like,
YEAH iowa I just i. DON'T know i just feel
like they Always provide it's usually more the, offensive SIDED
but i feel like they just do good trench Work,
on iowa like they know what to, do there and
then they never have any offense aside From Like sam
laporta and Then Like caleb johnson, this year so it's

(01:32:10):
like they always have to have. Good DEFENSE so i
just saw his size and knew their REP and i,
was like this might be a. Good WIN and i
didn't see a Lot of iowa during, the SEASON so
i was pumped to get to. The tape AND then
i got to IT and i, was, like, oh yeah the,
High cut like how. YOU move i, was, like oh
that's DISAPPOINTING because i saw the SIZE and i saw
him move a little bit at the, combine FIRST and i, Was,
like okay like all, things considered how big, You are

(01:32:31):
i'm intrigat a. Little bit don't give This WEEK and
i was, just YEAH but i think that's a really good,
point though of like if If the bills are looking
for more of a traditional one tech and a, rotational
role if they want more of a run, stopping presence
there's literally a bunch. Of, options yeah throughout the entirety of,
This draft and it might come a little later then you.

(01:32:53):
Wanted to but you could really sit here and be,
like again and maybe this, for me Maybe what i'm
about to say is also kind of a Knock Against.
Dwayne carter but there's there's guys you could take in
round five or six that Could Push dwayne carter a.
Little Bit man like he just had such a he
was just getting blown off the ball, so much like
it was. Just constant he was just like human, displacement,

(01:33:16):
horizontally vertically he just everywhere man he Could not and then.
PASSWORDS productivity i think he was in like the, low
fours like they just didn't see anything from a pass,
rest perspective and it was it was, pretty disheartening especially
for teen like, You Know daikwon jones was still working
his way back and wasn't you wanted what? You wanted
and then You had carter who you took in the
THIRD and i, was, like okay like. Be something and

(01:33:38):
then You're Grabbing jordan Phillips And quentin jefferson off the
scrap heat midyear to take his reps and play like
essentially ahead. Of him, and yeah but again he's, a rookie.
YOU know i don't, like to, you know make concrete
decisions on guys until usually after like year three minimum,
year tube but most likely, year three we'll see what he.
Can be, but yeah there's some guys on day three
that could rival him for. Like USEFULNESS and i don't

(01:34:00):
know if that's a pro to this class or a Knock,
against carter but it's fun and if You're a, bills
fan because that means you can still be sitting There
on saturday afternoon and tuned in to day three and, Be,
like okay we might get a guy that might actually
help this team given the rotation and what.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
They need it's just a it's just, a versatile. Versatile
group and then like you just so many scheme. SPECIFIC
guys i really do think it's a, very large laid
and run. Defense group like it's there's gonna be guys
on every in every round that get drafted that you're
gonna See on sundays. For years there's probably gonna be
a sixth seventh round defense tackle that get selected that

(01:34:34):
are gonna be playing IN the nfl five six years,
from now which doesn't. Usually happen but there's so good
at stopping. The run it's it's a weird class in
that regard where there's just so many of them everywhere
that you can just figure. It out and if you
miss on one or you miss out because you have
someone really high on your board at a, different position, you're,
like look we're we're packed back here with. Defense tackles

(01:34:56):
we're gonna we're gonna take this other position. Of value
so it's it's. Really FUN and i do think there's
lots of defensive ends that can kick inside and. Rush
THERE like i have tons of those players on, my
board like there's just so many. Of them, but yeah
this is. It's been it's always so fun to talk
about a group that's not just like top heavy with
guys that could be like, real guys but just, day two,

(01:35:20):
day three. Real CONTRIBUTORS and i know that might be
not might not be sexy to, talk about but that's
fun to talk about, For ME like i.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Love that, hell, yeah yeah it's it's been such a
fun group to. Go THROUGH like i was sitting here and,
watching guys yeah THEY'RE like i, was, like oh this
guy has like a fifth or six, Round GRADE but i,
WAS like i enjoy, This tape like this. Is fun there's.
Usefulness here, and yeah for if you need more of
the run stuffing element for, defensive tackle this is. Your,
class granted there's some guys that can penetrate in one
gap and get a field and do. That stuff but

(01:35:49):
just like like we talked about in, the beginning LIKE
where nfl football, is trending you need to stop the,
run again and you need to be a little heavier
on the inside to. Do it, you know it's not
necessarily going to be like everybody needs to go Get.
A vitavea granted he's a unicorn in a one, on
one but you need to get a little bit like
the days, of like, oh yeah our one tech is
three hundred and. Eight pounds that's kind of going away a.

(01:36:10):
Little bit you might need to get some guys that
are more like. Three Fifteen like i'm not saying everybody's
Gonna Be devandre sweat or for the nineties people like
Not Like gilbert brown From the packers is, coming, back
like but you need like you need a little bit of.
Heftiness inside teams need to get more stout on, the
interior and for a team Like, the bills who are
one of, Those, teams yeah this draft has a lot

(01:36:30):
of usefulness on. THAT interior i, Am Yeah i'm i'm
excited to see kind of like how it just falls
for in general because so many teams boards are gonna
be different based on what you need TO. T j
sanders is a, Great EXAMPLE like i think he's Got
to He's like i'm gonna finish my defensive, tackle ranks
but he'll end up being in my. Top ten but
then Like if i'm a, certain team he might be
like defensive tackle fifteen because guess what we don't need

(01:36:51):
like his. Skill, set yeah and he's but he doesn't
mean he's the fifteen best defensive tackle in. This class
it's just gonna be based on the fit and how you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Move and what.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Guys, Do yeah i'm. Very excited any even final thoughts
on this defensive, tackle class anything on, your mind anything
you want to say before we start to.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Wind out, you know it's just it's. Always been it's
always fun to get on here and talk with you
because it's just, a, Conversation right like it doesn't feel
like it's scripted or we have guys that we have to,
talk about, and LIKE like i even just did at,
the end like you reminded me of GUYS that i
had SCOUTED that i just we're thinking about because they
reminded me of the same kind. Of profile so it's
always fun to get not just, with you but just

(01:37:30):
in terms of talking ball and talking about these guys
that we like that, we've scouted we put the work
in on and and this Class is another example of
this is where the teams that do the work. Will
benefit there is not a lot of blue. Chip talent,
there isn't but there's tons. Of starters there is just tons.

(01:37:51):
Of them so if you have, A team i Believe
the bills are one of the best scouting teams IN.
THE nfl i think that they find great values and
put players in the best position to consistently get the
most out. Of them you Talked about day, three GUYS
like I just i think you see on the, defensive
side whether they were drafted in the first two to
three rounds or they were drafted in, the, fifth sixth, seventh,

(01:38:13):
rounds like they find ways to get the most out.
Of THEM and I respect sean mcdern a ton. For
that and this is the type of draft where these
teams get the most out. Of it so you'll find that,
MAYBE again i don't know if they're going to, trade
down not necessarily out of the question in the second
round considering where, they're at but also in the first

(01:38:33):
at the end of the, first round twenty, To sixty like,
you Said if i'm sitting here at Thirty and, I'M
like i, DON'T know i don't really feel like this
is a. Great SPOT but i see like seven or
eight GUYS that I have day two grades on that
maybe moves a couple spots back pick up another third
or fourth. Round, Pick yeah i'd be pretty happy. With
that so just, JUST overall i think that this class

(01:38:54):
really is where you find the, good gms the good,
head coaches and the good scouting teams because they are
going to be the teams that get the most out
of the draft class like this and are able to
navigate the board and not just their, own picks but
moving around with those picks and players to find the
best positions and then the. Best fits so, defensive line,

(01:39:15):
defensive end. GREAT class i think it's very deep at
wide receiver. As, well again that's another position where it
mimics a little bit like the, defensive tackle where you
have a couple of guys that are gonna be really,
really good and then you have a lot of scheme
specific guys that you know you never. Really know so
it's a lot. Of fun and even though it's a

(01:39:35):
down class that this, can be it can just be
a lot of fun to see all the different ways
that this.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
Can, go yeah very, well SAID and i think you
hit it on the head for this class and the defensive,
tackle grouping like there's so. MANY guys i feel like
the defensive tackle grouping is a good microcosm of what
you have in this class for so many positions where
there's like a lot of good like bees AND some.
B pluses like there's not a town of. Old man
this GUY'S, an a this IS an, a plus this

(01:40:01):
IS an. A minus it's just like there's just a lot,
of usefulness like individually from a skill set and, trades
perspective but also from a, schematic standpoint, and yeah just
a lot of B'S and. B pluses and that's not
sexy and it's not fun and it's, not like, oh
man we got to watch all these guys that are.
Getting drafted but you just get this is how you
build like championship, Level teams like you just get these

(01:40:23):
good B'S and. B plus, i mean you know You're a.
Chiefs guy Like the chiefs are just consistently granted they've
had high level play From like Mahomes and Kelsey And
chris jones and, then McDuffie but they've gotten really GOOD
like B to b plus play from like a bunch
of guys that they shouldn't or like. Their depth guys
come in and function as LIKE a b minus or
receive plus at, different spots And the bills have had

(01:40:44):
that for a, While Too Like dan jackson shouldn't be
like a good corner IN, the nfl but he's like
A competence cb THREE and cb two at times For,
the bills Just Like levi wallace was. Before that like
these guys that they're able to squeeze as much blood
as you can from. That stone and there's, a yeah
a lot of fun stones and this Defensive TAC gouger
i think in this draft as, a WHOLE and i
think it was very well said why you, As well
like this is the kind of draft where your scouting,

(01:41:06):
department shows, your evaluation shows your process shows being able
to identify which guys might have the, most upside which
guys fit you now and are the best fit for
you overall based on what they do with what, you
do and having that mesh point yet, makes, this uh
this class really EXCITING for, defensi attack but really just
in this draft, in general and like, you mentioned we

(01:41:27):
do do the work and it takes a Lot and
you've done a tremendous amount of work this, draft season
like you do pretty much every year with anything, you
do whether It's the chiefs working season or the draft
stuff in the. Off season your work. Is awesome so
tell everybody and anybody, right now just in case they
don't know who, you are what you do all, that
stuff the floor, is yours plug away with anything and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
You got, as, ALWAYS man i appreciate you. SO much
i always appreciate the kind. Of words and if for
those who, DON'T know i AM an nfl draft scout
At The, draft network you can find Me on twitter
At in. Humsway nineteen all of my scouting reports everything
you can see HOW much I. HATE. Cj A west
on there, as well because that's usually what it goes.
Down to people think you. Hate, him no if we're

(01:42:08):
just we're, just, evaluating right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
How do you hate this guy because he's like only
ranked fourteenth on Your Board and, I'M like i don't hate, him.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
Exactly like We just and the thing about my scouting
reports IS that i pride myself on. Being detailed and
if you go through a scouting report and you think,
it's fluff that's not going to BE something i put,
my well would not put something out THERE that i think.
It's fluff so you read some of these scouting reports
that are just like, bullet points you get an entire

(01:42:36):
explanation my process through and. Then CULMINATION so i think
that if you ever read Something that i've written from
a scouting, report standpoint you come away with UNDERSTANDING who
i feel the. Player is THAT'S all i. Care about
so you can see all those At The draft network
and then if you guys are. Ever interested i've also
put film work on YouTube On The draft networks film

(01:42:57):
on YouTube page i have. PUT it i don't, even
know maybe it's been one a week EVER since i
started a film Breakdowns in Jill and June. Or july
so there's tons of film breakdowns of prospects all the
way dating back to, last year and tons of those
have also been breaking down prospects ON The rgr, football

(01:43:18):
channel which is, chief centric but prospects are. Going down
i'm actually gonna Have A derek common breakdown Going, on
wednesday so that's always fun. To SEE but i appreciate
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
As always, My, friend, no yeah, you're Awesome and i'm
not just saying that and for those of yeah who
aren't Familiar with, daniel's work someone, who legitimately hopefully and
probably got a taste of in this episode really knows
the game just, against schematically. Structurally individually what good, technique
is what poor technique is the names of, these techniques

(01:43:49):
being able to explain it in detail and be able
to put the hows and the whys behind. The, what
yeah it was awesome seeing you in person at two
Year Two senior. Bowls, AGO well i saw You Already Senior,
bowls GO but i. DIDN'T know i just. Saw you
and then the next year when we went together as
part of the cover, one trip kind of put face

(01:44:10):
the name and all that kind. Of stuff and, THEN
yeah i didn't go, this year But hopefully i'll see
you in mobile next Year and i'm sure we'll be
chopping it up again at some point. This offseason you.
CRUSHED it i kept you far. Too long go enjoy
the rest of. YOUR night i appreciate the hell out.
Of you this, was Awesome and i'll End up i'll
be dming you in like ten minutes to say all
these things AGAIN because i appreciated the hell out. Of
you you, crushed it and thanks for stopping.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
By always and my time is at at your disposal
whenever you. Need me this is not. A requirement it's
just FUN and i am more than happy to give
my knowledge fans and just talk ball.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
With.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
YOU man i appreciate you having Me on, HELL yeah i.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
Enjoy the rest of. Your night i'll let. You go
i'm gonna do outro and talk to the people a
little Bit and i'll see you. ON social i.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
APPRECIATE that i appreciate, You too thank you very.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
Much later, good times, good episode, good content, good discus
all of. These things So mister daniel. HARM sincerely i
wasn't just saying it because he, was here like he does,
Really REALLY oh i, THINK IT dj, dj says, Great,
Guest yeah. Daniel's awesome, Appreciate.

Speaker 3 (01:45:11):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
Orgie yeah he did Stuff for cover one last year
With The draft channel and then went on To The
draft network as they're starting to kind of rebuild. That
up but he DOES the rgr football stuff, FOR well
rgr Covering the chiefs and, just again guy really knows
his stuff ins and outs of football and good evaluation all.

(01:45:33):
That Stuff so i'm glad you folks enjoyed. That, episode
yeah he was SOMEBODY who i tabbed about a. Month
ago we set the. DATE up i was pumped to
get him in here and talk interior. DEFENSIVE line i
hope you folks enjoyed all the content that we provided in.
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well they also have a bunch of catering options and

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bill ASKED if I had ptsd From The pat moran.
Mock draft, SO yeah i Was On pat moran show,

(01:47:20):
last week did a mock draft. WITH him i like
how it. CAME out i got a lot OF dudes.
I liked my, biggest, gripe YEAH was I Wanted darius
alexander at. Forty nine we tried to. Trade up miami
wouldn't trade. With us, BUT again i think the biggest
thing was but we. Tried twice they denied it. Both
times we could have tried, more Times but. Pat Didn't

(01:47:43):
so pat went, aheadn't JUMPED and I think i literally, was, like, no,
no no don't and then he hit Jump and Miami Took.
Darius alexander but aside, from, that yeah It was even,
with that it was. Super fun we use the stick
to Themodel dot com their. Mock simulator it was. REALLY
fun i had never used, it BEFORE so i didn't
know what. TO expect i couldn't game the system and

(01:48:03):
know kind of what to do ahead, of time so
it was fun like reacting in. Real time might be
doing something like that here on. THE show i traditionally
don't do mock Drafts on. Disguy's coverage i'm considering doing
one this week or maybe at the back end of
the week or early, next week kind of give some.
Extra content we'll see kind of how. That goes, BUT
yeah i had a blast, doing that aside from being
extremely stressed and extremely angry for the majority.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Of it, but yeah it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Was fun glad you liked the DJ oh Dj Says
bruce nolan had one heck of a mock Draft. WITH
pat i think it. WAS yesterday i you, Know, WHAT
actually i don't know if he did. IT not i
FEEL like i feel LIKE maybe i saw something On
social i've been posting stuff, the past really the past,
several months but not engaging, a Lot so i'm trying
to avoid anything and. Everything DRAFT but, I mean bruce

(01:48:46):
does great WORK and i could see him just having
a great time with that mock OH and dj says
stick to the model is the best similar out there
at the moment in. My opinion joe says it's the
best model out in his opinion. As well he says
we used it tonight in his mock. Draft, episode yeah
they're a really. Good time it's just nice TOO to
i usually WOULD, use PFFS and i just figured out

(01:49:06):
how to game, the system AND so i would have
to force myself to not. Game it BUT the i
kind of knew how the picks were. GONNA fall i
KNEW where i could trade and how to trade and
what guys are going to be. Available where so then
it's it's just. Not fun it becomes like doing a
mock just for the for. The results it's not as
organic and it's not. Really FUN and i use the
mock drafts. FOR fun I if i'm in, the lot

(01:49:28):
like the waiting room at, The doctors i'm doing a.
Mock Draft if i'm waiting in line at like the,
Car wash i'm gonna try and do a quick. MOCK
draft i just do it for fun and put the results.
Out after, but yeah that was fun Episode. With pat
go check. It out if you folks, Haven't already i'm
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(01:50:55):
tuesday at Nine pm eastern to build out The Ideal buffalo,
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And then got to see how the schedule flows between,
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but we'll see what kind of comes. To fruition thank
you very Much To daniel harms for joining me in
this episode and absolutely. Crushing it this discussion was, a

(01:51:37):
BLAST as i knew and hoped it would. BE again
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Easter Bill, happy. Easter folks i'm all eastered out with
the decoration. Up there these adorable little chicks that are
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(01:52:18):
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