May 16, 2025 • 14 mins
In this episode of #FeelingsMatter, hosts Michelle Stinson Ross, Tina Schweiger, and Heather Hampton explore the emotion of being sorrowful - that feeling of being heavy-hearted and deeply unhappy, often due to a loss or disappointment. The conversation delves into the physical sensations of sorrow, its relationship to depression, and how different contexts can shape our experience of this profound emotion. The hosts share personal insights about moving through sorrow rather than getting stuck in it, offering powerful metaphors and practical wisdom.
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This episode of the #FeelingsMatter Podcast was recorded and produced at MSR Studios in Saint Paul, MN. No reproduction, excerpting, or other use without written permission.
This episode is sponsored by
FeelWise - bridging the gap between reflection and resilience, offering practical tools to help people overcome obstacles, embrace change, and grow stronger emotionally. https://www.feel-wise.com/
Don’t miss a moment of the conversation, subscribe to the show on your favorite podcasting platform
Episode Highlights:
- Heather describes experiencing sorrowful in two distinct ways: during periods of depression (accompanied by despair) and in response to external events like receiving bad news about a friend's illness (which feels like "pure sadness" without despair)
- The hosts discuss the physical manifestation of sorrow as a heaviness or weight in the body - Michelle notes it's "like our heart, our core is heavy" and requires extra energy to move, while Tina describes it as "the quieter side of sadness" with fewer thoughts and more physical sensations
- Heather shares how she initially feared fully embracing sorrow, worried it might "swallow her up," but has learned that avoiding the emotion only keeps it around longer - acknowledging that "this too will pass" helps her move through it
- Tina offers a touching technique for self-compassion during sorrowful times, suggesting we imagine ourselves as a sad puppy that needs gentle pets, patience, kindness, and space
- The hosts use a powerful river rafting metaphor to describe emotional resilience - noting that you can't escape the river of difficult emotions, but you can learn to navigate it better each time, building skills that make future encounters less frightening and more manageable
Podcast theme music by Dubush Miaw from Pixabay
This episode of the #FeelingsMatter Podcast was recorded and produced at MSR Studios in Saint Paul, MN.Copyright 2025, all rights reserved. No reproduction, excerpting, or other use without written permission.
This episode is sponsored by
FeelWise - bridging the gap between reflection and resilience, offering practical tools to help people overcome obstacles, embrace change, and grow stronger emotionally. https://www.feel-wise.com/
Don’t miss a moment of the conversation, subscribe to the show on your favorite podcasting platform
Podcast theme music by Dubush Miaw from Pixabay
This episode of the #FeelingsMatter Podcast was recorded and produced at MSR Studios in Saint Paul, MN. No reproduction, excerpting, or other use without written permission.
This episode is sponsored by
FeelWise - bridging the gap between reflection and resilience, offering practical tools to help people overcome obstacles, embrace change, and grow stronger emotionally. https://www.feel-wise.com/
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Do you have trouble talking about your feelings. You're not alone.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
It's a topic that can make even the most powerful
people somewhat squeamish. You're listening to Feelings Matter where our
mission is to demystify everything about emotions so that we
can all get more comfortable in talking about them. Join Heather, Tina,
(00:29):
and Michelle as we unpack a new angle on emotions
and the psychology of human nature.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Feelings Matter.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I wish Elston's her arms, I have Tedishweiter, and I'm
Father Hampton.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So this week I pulled sorrowful, and I'll read the
definition before I start getting into.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
One of the things that I started reflecting on.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So the definition for sorrowful is feeling heavy hearted and
deeply unhappy, often because of a loss or disappointment. So
the first thing that kind of came to me is
that I experienced being sorrowful in two different ways. One
(01:21):
is around periods of depression, when I'm deeply depressed. Being
sorrowful is certainly that something that comes up for me,
and there is a sense of despair when I'm experiencing
around my internal feelings about myself or.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
What's going on in my brain.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And then there's the sorrowful that I feel when something
external happens, which is like, I just got very bad
news about a very dear friend who is ill and
is not going to get better, and that was heartbreaking.
It was very sorrowful, but I didn't have that sense.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Of despair like.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
It was more the pure kind of sadness that I
was feeling around the And then I began this whole
conversation about what's the difference between sorrowful and sad Then
this component of like grief and where does grief come
into all of that, and all those emotions are so
intertwined for me. But I'd be curious to know if
(02:30):
you to have this the same experience that I is,
that you experienced being sorrowful in different ways, or what
that experience is like for you too.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
One of the questions.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Around sorrowful, just to check in with yourself, is are
you feeling very sad or unhappy?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Like your shirt is heavy?
Speaker 5 (02:59):
And to me, that's one of the things I want
to crawl out here.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Is just this physical sense of heaviness that I am
wayghed down and the fact that you heather feel sorrowful.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
In conjunction with depression very often. I can understand why
you would. For me, that feeling of depression is definitely
weight like I am weighted down, I am heavy. I
cannot put together the energy to move my body. It
is definitely a very physical sensation for me. And yes,
(03:39):
if sorrow is one of those things that makes that
feels like our furt our for is heavy and weighed
down and it's going to take extra energy to move
out of it, then yes, I can see how sorrow
and depression would be very closely related for you.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Me too, And I like your point, Michelle about the
physical feeling. It does feel very heavy for me. I
will add to that and say that there's not a
lot of thoughts associated with sorrowful for me, that it's
a very quiet space, and it could be almost just
quiet like I want us to leak, or my body
(04:22):
was to lay down, or just there's a desire or
demand for rest. It's very reflective and it's very physical,
So it's to me, the quiet the quieter side of
sadness or grief is sorrowful, and it's almost the well
worn T shirt version of sadness. If we are what
(04:43):
it was curators or expert curators and sadness with all
the different flavors one any every questions, do you check
in me yourself?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Do you see like fraying or tearing up often even
when you're not sure why. I would say that is
another physical expression that I've definitely experienced. There have been
times in my life where I just needed to cry
it out and.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
That would Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I would very closely equate the emotional experience of sorrow
with being leapy.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
For sure.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
Feelings matter is brought to you by feel Wise. Most
people can identify three emotions sad, mad, and glad, but
there are over one hundred and fifty six ways to
truly express how you feel. Feel Wise tools help you
build your emotional vocabulary and transform understanding into action. Discover
(05:53):
the language of emotions on the feel wise website at
Bitley slash feel wise that b I T dot L
Y splash f E E.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
L W I s E field wise. Turn emotional awareness
into your superpower.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
So, Heather, I'll have I have to ask you this,
what tools do you have in your box to help you.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Get out of that when you go there?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
That's a good question that I feel like every therapist
I've ever.
Speaker 8 (06:33):
Has asked me, I know you don't live in a
perpetual state of this. Ultimately experienced you in a very good,
solid place where you have energy, where you are full
of the light, and I know that you can go there,
So you are not perpetually sorrowful.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
One of the things that I have learned this is
a very personal experience, is that for a very long
all the time, I had a fear of embracing that
sorrow or that grief, for.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Fear that I might be swallowed up in it, that it.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Might completely consume me and I wouldn't be able to
find my way out.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
And I have learned that not.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Fully embracing that feeling just keeps it around.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
So if I can get into a place where I
have a backup safety net, a friend or whatever, that
chicken was mean tomorrow because I'm gone through some shit
and I can excuse me, I probably, But that's what
what I keep telling everybody.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
The show is for adults. Where's it going to happen?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
So if I allow myself to embrace that and fully
feel it, there is a relief, a release after like
fully understanding and being.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
In that moment, And so that is.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
One thing that I've gotten is that I know now
that I can through that, that I won't get mired
down in that. So that's not necessarily like a tool
to counteract it, but more just an acknowledgement that we
need to embrace all these hard emotions, like really.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Feel them and understand them.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, way to create a context around those emotions and
know that there is an end, things will change, et cetera.
So I guess that's went into the position of self
care is an acknowledgement that this tool will pass, I
will get through this, and a kindness to myself that
(08:52):
you've been through this before, you can do it again.
You're gonna be okay. This is this does not define
who you are. It's not going to define future. And
so just taking that moment to acknowledge that I am
separate from my emotions and I'm they don't create.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Who I the identity one technique that you asked about, Michelle,
I'm going to bring it back to adorable with sorrowful,
as you imagine a sad puppy like this adorable but
also sorrowful at the same time. And if you were
(09:34):
trying to comfort a sad puppy. Give it some little
pets because it's tiny, of course, but have lots of
little compassion for the little puppy. Can imagine a little
sad puppy. It's you sometimes if you're stuck sorrowful, can
give yourself a little pets like a little puppy, and
a lot of patience, a lot of patience, a lot
(09:54):
of kindness, and a lot of space.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yes, all those sense and then that was great And
note to.
Speaker 9 (10:00):
A back to Adorab it's the Lord of all things.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Thank you Heather for saying this is something that you
have to find your way through.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
I see one of the biggest benefits to creating a
much bigger way of expressing what we're feeling in that moment.
Being better able to understand the nuance of one emotion
(10:34):
over another does enable us to cultivate that mindset of
bravery or courage, and that through that emotional courage, we
can move through an emotion rather than get stuck in it.
Because like you said that it doesn't define us. It's
a piece of data. It's a piece of data, but
(10:56):
at the same time, it's not Sorrow is not a
piece of data that you want to shove in a
box and ignore, but rather you use that piece of
data to move through life and find some joy, some happiness,
some light on the other side of it.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah. Is moving through it in and of itself going
to make you feel joyful?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
No?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But the reality is that on the other side of
that once you can get unstock and move through. If
it's big. A sorrow is a big emotion.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
You're not going to be able to go over it
or round it stuffing it in a box because it
is a big emotion.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It's going to take a lot of energy. Rather Oh
my gosh, Now I feel like I would have full out.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
An avatar a reference and be the lead and move
through it on the wind of.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
What it is, rather than get stuck in. Yes, some
of you will know what that reference is, you believe if.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I think That's the hard thing about emotions like this
is that you're getting onto a river rapid and you
don't know what's down stream, and you have to trust
that you're going to be okay on this ride down street,
and that.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
This vessel that you're in.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Which is yourself, is going to be able to handle
whatever the rivers at you. But you don't know what's coming,
and that's to be a really scary place to be.
Speaker 9 (12:26):
You're going down the river one way or the other,
that's sure, that's the true.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
But are you going to go down at well and
safe flee?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Are you going to take some more.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Damage along the way as you go?
Speaker 9 (12:38):
I think, are you trying to swim for the shore
and escape the river because you can't? So find a
get a boat, paddle it, go through it, get down it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And I can understand, Heather, what you're saying. In that moment,
it may feel.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Like that is what this emotion is doing to you.
It can make you feel like you're not ever going
to be happy again. And so at that point you
do have to cultivate some courage and go.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I don't know, that's entirely true.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
I'm gonna roll.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
With this for a while and see if I can
get to the other side of it. And then, of course,
once you've done it once, as you've said, Heather, once
you've done it, once you realize, oh wait a second,
I've been here before and I could do it.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
And guess what, Just like.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You mentioned with river rafting, right, it's a skill you cultivate. Yep,
the first time you do it, Oh my god, that thing.
Speaker 9 (13:36):
Is going to be horribly scary.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
You're not going to do it well. But guess what,
the next time you approach that rapid you're gonna remember
what happened last time. You're going to be able to
better apply your skills.
Speaker 9 (13:52):
You're gonna go way to suck it.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I can do this because I've done it before.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
And guess what, You're gonna get through it a little
bit crecker, a little bit easier. And every time you
have to go through it, it's going to be it's
going to happen a lot faster. The light bulbs going
to go off. You're going to go, wait a second.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I have done this before, and I've actually done this
several times before.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I know what to do. And that is the.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Beauty of moving through these difficult emotions is that you
begin to cultivate those skills.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And come up with a way to do it better
each time. You can't avoid it, but you can do
it better each.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Time you have to. You have to deal with that
Do you have trouble talking about your feelings. You're not alone.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
It's a topic that can make even the most powerful
people somewhat squeamish. You're listening to Feelings Matter where our
mission is to demystify everything about emotions so that we
can all get more comfortable in talking about them. Join Heather, Tina,
(00:29):
and Michelle as we unpack a new angle on emotions
and the psychology of human nature.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Feelings Matter.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I wish Elston's her arms, I have Tedishweiter, and I'm
Father Hampton.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So this week I pulled sorrowful, and I'll read the
definition before I start getting into.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
One of the things that I started reflecting on.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So the definition for sorrowful is feeling heavy hearted and
deeply unhappy, often because of a loss or disappointment. So
the first thing that kind of came to me is
that I experienced being sorrowful in two different ways. One
(01:21):
is around periods of depression, when I'm deeply depressed. Being
sorrowful is certainly that something that comes up for me,
and there is a sense of despair when I'm experiencing
around my internal feelings about myself or.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
What's going on in my brain.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And then there's the sorrowful that I feel when something
external happens, which is like, I just got very bad
news about a very dear friend who is ill and
is not going to get better, and that was heartbreaking.
It was very sorrowful, but I didn't have that sense.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Of despair like.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
It was more the pure kind of sadness that I
was feeling around the And then I began this whole
conversation about what's the difference between sorrowful and sad Then
this component of like grief and where does grief come
into all of that, and all those emotions are so
intertwined for me. But I'd be curious to know if
(02:30):
you to have this the same experience that I is,
that you experienced being sorrowful in different ways, or what
that experience is like for you too.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
One of the questions.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Around sorrowful, just to check in with yourself, is are
you feeling very sad or unhappy?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Like your shirt is heavy?
Speaker 5 (02:59):
And to me, that's one of the things I want
to crawl out here.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Is just this physical sense of heaviness that I am
wayghed down and the fact that you heather feel sorrowful.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
In conjunction with depression very often. I can understand why
you would. For me, that feeling of depression is definitely
weight like I am weighted down, I am heavy. I
cannot put together the energy to move my body. It
is definitely a very physical sensation for me. And yes,
(03:39):
if sorrow is one of those things that makes that
feels like our furt our for is heavy and weighed
down and it's going to take extra energy to move
out of it, then yes, I can see how sorrow
and depression would be very closely related for you.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Me too, And I like your point, Michelle about the
physical feeling. It does feel very heavy for me. I
will add to that and say that there's not a
lot of thoughts associated with sorrowful for me, that it's
a very quiet space, and it could be almost just
quiet like I want us to leak, or my body
(04:22):
was to lay down, or just there's a desire or
demand for rest. It's very reflective and it's very physical,
So it's to me, the quiet the quieter side of
sadness or grief is sorrowful, and it's almost the well
worn T shirt version of sadness. If we are what
(04:43):
it was curators or expert curators and sadness with all
the different flavors one any every questions, do you check
in me yourself?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Do you see like fraying or tearing up often even
when you're not sure why. I would say that is
another physical expression that I've definitely experienced. There have been
times in my life where I just needed to cry
it out and.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
That would Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
I would very closely equate the emotional experience of sorrow
with being leapy.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
For sure.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
Feelings matter is brought to you by feel Wise. Most
people can identify three emotions sad, mad, and glad, but
there are over one hundred and fifty six ways to
truly express how you feel. Feel Wise tools help you
build your emotional vocabulary and transform understanding into action. Discover
(05:53):
the language of emotions on the feel wise website at
Bitley slash feel wise that b I T dot L
Y splash f E E.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
L W I s E field wise. Turn emotional awareness
into your superpower.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
So, Heather, I'll have I have to ask you this,
what tools do you have in your box to help you.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Get out of that when you go there?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
That's a good question that I feel like every therapist
I've ever.
Speaker 8 (06:33):
Has asked me, I know you don't live in a
perpetual state of this. Ultimately experienced you in a very good,
solid place where you have energy, where you are full
of the light, and I know that you can go there,
So you are not perpetually sorrowful.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
One of the things that I have learned this is
a very personal experience, is that for a very long
all the time, I had a fear of embracing that
sorrow or that grief, for.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Fear that I might be swallowed up in it, that it.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Might completely consume me and I wouldn't be able to
find my way out.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
And I have learned that not.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Fully embracing that feeling just keeps it around.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
So if I can get into a place where I
have a backup safety net, a friend or whatever, that
chicken was mean tomorrow because I'm gone through some shit
and I can excuse me, I probably, But that's what
what I keep telling everybody.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
The show is for adults. Where's it going to happen?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
So if I allow myself to embrace that and fully
feel it, there is a relief, a release after like
fully understanding and being.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
In that moment, And so that is.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
One thing that I've gotten is that I know now
that I can through that, that I won't get mired
down in that. So that's not necessarily like a tool
to counteract it, but more just an acknowledgement that we
need to embrace all these hard emotions, like really.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Feel them and understand them.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, way to create a context around those emotions and
know that there is an end, things will change, et cetera.
So I guess that's went into the position of self
care is an acknowledgement that this tool will pass, I
will get through this, and a kindness to myself that
(08:52):
you've been through this before, you can do it again.
You're gonna be okay. This is this does not define
who you are. It's not going to define future. And
so just taking that moment to acknowledge that I am
separate from my emotions and I'm they don't create.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Who I the identity one technique that you asked about, Michelle,
I'm going to bring it back to adorable with sorrowful,
as you imagine a sad puppy like this adorable but
also sorrowful at the same time. And if you were
(09:34):
trying to comfort a sad puppy. Give it some little
pets because it's tiny, of course, but have lots of
little compassion for the little puppy. Can imagine a little
sad puppy. It's you sometimes if you're stuck sorrowful, can
give yourself a little pets like a little puppy, and
a lot of patience, a lot of patience, a lot
(09:54):
of kindness, and a lot of space.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yes, all those sense and then that was great And
note to.
Speaker 9 (10:00):
A back to Adorab it's the Lord of all things.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Thank you Heather for saying this is something that you
have to find your way through.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
I see one of the biggest benefits to creating a
much bigger way of expressing what we're feeling in that moment.
Being better able to understand the nuance of one emotion
(10:34):
over another does enable us to cultivate that mindset of
bravery or courage, and that through that emotional courage, we
can move through an emotion rather than get stuck in it.
Because like you said that it doesn't define us. It's
a piece of data. It's a piece of data, but
(10:56):
at the same time, it's not Sorrow is not a
piece of data that you want to shove in a
box and ignore, but rather you use that piece of
data to move through life and find some joy, some happiness,
some light on the other side of it.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah. Is moving through it in and of itself going
to make you feel joyful?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
No?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But the reality is that on the other side of
that once you can get unstock and move through. If
it's big. A sorrow is a big emotion.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
You're not going to be able to go over it
or round it stuffing it in a box because it
is a big emotion.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It's going to take a lot of energy. Rather Oh
my gosh, Now I feel like I would have full out.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
An avatar a reference and be the lead and move
through it on the wind of.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
What it is, rather than get stuck in. Yes, some
of you will know what that reference is, you believe if.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I think That's the hard thing about emotions like this
is that you're getting onto a river rapid and you
don't know what's down stream, and you have to trust
that you're going to be okay on this ride down street,
and that.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
This vessel that you're in.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Which is yourself, is going to be able to handle
whatever the rivers at you. But you don't know what's coming,
and that's to be a really scary place to be.
Speaker 9 (12:26):
You're going down the river one way or the other,
that's sure, that's the true.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
But are you going to go down at well and
safe flee?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Are you going to take some more.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Damage along the way as you go?
Speaker 9 (12:38):
I think, are you trying to swim for the shore
and escape the river because you can't? So find a
get a boat, paddle it, go through it, get down it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And I can understand, Heather, what you're saying. In that moment,
it may feel.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Like that is what this emotion is doing to you.
It can make you feel like you're not ever going
to be happy again. And so at that point you
do have to cultivate some courage and go.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I don't know, that's entirely true.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
I'm gonna roll.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
With this for a while and see if I can
get to the other side of it. And then, of course,
once you've done it once, as you've said, Heather, once
you've done it, once you realize, oh wait a second,
I've been here before and I could do it.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
And guess what, Just like.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You mentioned with river rafting, right, it's a skill you cultivate. Yep,
the first time you do it, Oh my god, that thing.
Speaker 9 (13:36):
Is going to be horribly scary.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
You're not going to do it well. But guess what,
the next time you approach that rapid you're gonna remember
what happened last time. You're going to be able to
better apply your skills.
Speaker 9 (13:52):
You're gonna go way to suck it.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I can do this because I've done it before.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
And guess what, You're gonna get through it a little
bit crecker, a little bit easier. And every time you
have to go through it, it's going to be it's
going to happen a lot faster. The light bulbs going
to go off. You're going to go, wait a second.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I have done this before, and I've actually done this
several times before.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I know what to do. And that is the.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Beauty of moving through these difficult emotions is that you
begin to cultivate those skills.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And come up with a way to do it better
each time. You can't avoid it, but you can do
it better each.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Time you have to. You have to deal with that
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