Joe Burrow, Warriors, Matt Rhule, NFL draft

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give you my mock draft first twelve picks. Thought a
lot about it. My mock draft in one hour, I've
read everybody else's. My former employer doesn't allow their people
to have trades in the draft, which I think is
absurd because I've got a big one which I think
is gonna happen. And Joy Taylor is joining me today. Joy,
how are you. I'm good. So you are going to

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have a lot of movements in your job? Yes, yes,
I think it's ridiculous to say, well, there's not gonna
be any trades. There's gonna be trades. Teams move up
to get quarterbacks. Ten of the last fourteen first round quarterbacks,
somebody's moved up to get them because they want them
and there's somebody else that wants them. So we are
going to have a trade early in this draft, not
only in my mocks raft, but we're gonna have one.

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And I think it's obvious where it's gonna happen. So
let me just start with this. So I think all
these quarterbacks are fine. I think to Joe Burrow, justin
Herbert Jordan loving Jordan loves a little more of a prospect,
but he's gonna be good. They're all gonna work in
this league. It's just gonna be It's gonna be timetables.
Lamar Jackson had to wait eleven games to start. Baker
and Sam Darnold. You know they start them right off

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the bat. It's gonna take time. Josh Allen was pretty
bumpy early, but now it looks to be really good.
So I saw this, yeah, yesterday, and it's just you
think I'm criticizing Joe Burrow here I'm defending him and
remember that for the next seven minutes. Boomerasiason, former NFL quarterback,
compares Joe Burrow too to Lebron James. Okay, so we

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got Daniel Jeremiah. My buddy compared him to Brady An
NFL scout anonymously compared him to Peyton Manning, Joel Clatt
compared him to Joe Montana, and Boomerassiasen's comparing him to
Lebron James. Two words good hell he is none of those.
Those are legends. First of all. When it comes to legends,

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most not all, but most have a physical gift. They
look different, or they have a skill that's different. Russell
Wilson never gets hit. Eight years running around. He is
uniquely mobile. He is a legend. Brett Farve had one
of the asked arms in league history. Joe Nameth one

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of the best arms in league history. They have a skill,
they have something a physical trade. It's often Lebron James
look different. Tiger Woods was driving the ball, thed the
change courses for Tiger Woods. So most legends. Trevor Lawrence
to me, has a chance to be a legend. Clemson
quarterback six six rifle huge arm, huge hands, massive physical frame.

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That's what legends look like at nineteen years old. Joe
Burrow is six three and a half two fifteen, kind
of a skinny neck. They say average arm. It's not
a special arm. His hand size is nine. That's below
ideal hand size. He's not physically blowing you away. John
Elway walked into this league first year in the league's

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strongest arm, Bret Fark's strongest arm. Aaron Rodgers walked in,
Dan Marino walked in pal I went to a party
one time. I know this is a strange name drop
the late Hugh Hefner. He had the Heff's mansion in
like you know, real Ritchie part of Los Angeles, right,
So I got invited to a party and there was
all sorts of like stars there. Peyton Manning towered over

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the crowd. Peyton Manning is six five. Have you ever
seen Peyton Manning in person? He's six five, big head,
big soldiers, big butt, He's a big man. There were
all sorts of boxers and celebrities there. Peyton you could
see him from fifty feet away. Peyton Manning was big.
Tom Brady in person six five. You ever bumped into Tom.

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Tom's huge. The average American man's five ten. Tom Brady's
seven inches taller. He's big, He's got big hands, he's
got a big butt. These are big athletes, most legends.
Lebron looked different, Tiger look. Magic was a six nine
and a half point guard. The Kareem Abdul Jabbar was
running up and down the court at UCLA. They wouldn't
let freshman play. He walked into Ucla. The Bruins were

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the national champions. Kareem Abdul he was lo at the
time walked in to UCLA. He was longer and stronger
and faster than all the other players who had just
won the national championship. He led the freshman team to
a thirty point route at UCLA over the national champions
of the previous year. He was physically different. Wilt was
physically different, Magic, Lebron, Michael Jordan, Well, he was, so

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let's just start with that. The physical dimension, he doesn't
have it. He isn't he's Tony Romo. He's a pro athlete,
but he's not physically impressive. The second thing is that
it took him years to produce. He only produced in college,
not even at LSU because he didn't produce at LSU
his junior year. He only produced when everything went right.

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Legends produce despite obstacles. He wasn't good as junior year
at LSU. They had all these NFL players. He wasn't
any good. He completed fifty seven percent of his throws
at LSU. TUA was great Day one, National Championship game.
Great Day one. That's what legends do. Justin Fields, Ohio
State sophomore, great best player arguably in the Big Tennis

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a sophomore. Do you realize only six players in the
first round will probably be seniors? Great jumps off the
television screen early. You don't sit around and wait for
everything to line up perfectly. Then you lead it to winning.
That doesn't again, Joe Burrow, you think I'm ripping him.
People are calling him a legend. He's not physically elite,

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and he didn't pop until his final year in college.
That's not the way legends work. There's only one comedian
in the history of comedy that was a late starter.
Rodney Dangerfield, John Stewart, Bill Maher, the Dennis Miller's, the
Steve Harvey's. These guys were like seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty
and had agents and scouts all over him and were

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popping Jerry Seinfeld, Jay Leno, Chris Rock. They didn't hit
it forty two, They didn't hit it thirty eight at
twenty one years old, Andrea Agacy, Tennis, Serena Williams. It's
twelve and you don't wait. They don't grow into Kevin
Garnett was like sixteen years old and people are like,
He's the next great thing. Lebron was fifteen, the chosen

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one Bryce Harper cover of Sports Illustrated sixteen. So legends
look different and legends don't grow into it. Well, what
about Tom Brady. There are exceptions, but it should be noted.
Brady physically is way bigger than the average NFL QUARTERBA.
You put Brady next to Aaron Rodgers, Tom is significantly bigger,

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and Aaron's great. He is significantly bigger than Aaron Rodgers.
He stands next to Dak He's bigger. He's a six
five and a half quarterback. Brady who got drafted by
the major leagues in high school. He is a special athlete.
You just you know. You look at Lamar or Russell
will soon he doesn't he doesn't add up there physically
as a speed guy, so here's another thing to remember.

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So physically he doesn't look like a legend. Secondly, he
popped only when everything lined up for him. But here
are the players taken of all the current starting quarterbacks
in the NFL. Here are the quarterbacks taken as the
first quarterback in their draft. Of the current starters Kyler, Murray,
Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Mitch Rubisky.

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Here are the current starting quarterbacks in the NFL taken
as the second quarterback in the draft they were in.
Patrick Mahomes, Carson Wentz, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Sam Darnold,
Daniel Jones, Philip Rivers, a lot more wins. Why because
Joe Burrows not gonna have the kind of coach Mahomes does,
or Wentz does, or Breeze or a Rodgers. When you

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go first, you go to a worst team, a worse owner,
a worse GM, and generally a worse scouting department. So
Burrow's going to have a major disadvantage. Not to mention,
he enters a division now, which is stacked defensively. He
enters a division against the Rooney family in Pittsburgh. Steve
Bashotti owns the Ravens. Those are two of the top

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five ownership groups in the NFL. What does that mean.
They hired better coaches, they have better scouts, they have
better executives, they have better organizations. If you go back
twenty years, twenty years, and you take the Ravens and
the Steelers seasons. So if you go back twenty years,
take two NFL teams, that's forty total seasons. Right. Four
times the Steelers or Ravens have been below five hundred.

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The Bengals in four years have been below five hundred
four times. Burroughs not a legend. He's not physically a legend.
Legends don't wait forever to pop. Don't give me this.
Michael Jordan, he got cut from his high school team
as a freshman. Michael Jordan was a McDonald's All American
who got recruited by, at the time, the most notable

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coach in college basketball, Dean Smith. Dean Smith was bigger
than coach k when Michael came out. And then Michael
won a national title I the Carolina and then broke
into the NBA and was a blizzard offensively, a relentless
tiger a blizzard. You couldn't stop him. Players couldn't get
along with him. Coaches, he got him fired, but he

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was relentless. Larry Bird couldn't stop him. The Pistons couldn't
stop him. Now he couldn't carry the bulls over those teams,
but they couldn't stop him. So these, oh my lord,
we've got him stacked up as Peyton, Manning and Lebron James,
and it's just so unfair. He's gonna be a nice
NFL player. We gotta take a deep breath on Joe Burrow.

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He's been compared to Brady, Peyton Manning, Lebron James, and
Joe Montana. Give me a break on this stuff. He's
gonna be Tony Romo, no titles, good kid, works hard,
gets his brains beat in by better organizations in the
same division. All right. Coming up next, finally, a criticism

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of TUA from Nick Saban, and it's the smartest thing
I've heard yet. He makes a lot of sense. It's
a legitimate criticism. Am I concerned? No, But it's a
legitimate criticism and I totally buy into it. And nobody
would know better than Nick Saban. And you know how
much I like to ofm that's coming up. Be sure
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of next hour forty minutes, I'm gonna do my NFL
mock draft one through twelve. I'm gonna give you a
sense all the way from the Bengals to the Raiders,
and you know, after that, it's a lot of guessing.
It's always like I feel the same way about weather forecasting.

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I think if I turn on my local weather person,
they can give me about three to four days of
weather max. When anybody's trying to do a seven day forecast.
By the end of it, they're just making crap up.
They don't know. You get about three days into a forecast,
then it's like educated guessing. I feel the same way
with a draft. I can do ten to twelve picks

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really certain about after that, it's just guessing. I mean,
when you get to the late by the second round,
nobody has a clue. I watch all these mock drafts,
you're just making crap up. So I don't want to
just make it up. My buddy Peter Schreger does every
round of the draft. And by the way, I'm fascinated
by that, he's going to join us in ten minutes.
But the accuracy obviously dips the further away you get

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from the elite teams with elite players or bad teams
with absolute specific needs and great potential college players. So
you know, I like Tah, but I do think the
medical stuff is it's worrisome. I've said before, I see
Drew Brees a left handed. I think he's bizarrely accurate.
I think he's an unbelievable leader. And if you asked

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me to sum up Drew Brees in two words, I
would say accuracy and leadership. I think two is that.
But two has got an injury and it's real and
it's scaring. Teams should be noted. Drew Brees's injuries early
scared teams. The Miami Dolphins today still regret it. So
are they going to pass on two if he's available?
Pass on Breezes too. I would have a hard time
doing that if I was down in Miami. So but

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Nick Saban knows him better than anybody because he recruited him.
He spent two three years recruiting him out of high school,
then he lands him that he has him for three years.
They're very tight, and Saban offers a criticism of two
that I think is incredibly valid and something I'm not
sure you can correct. Most of his injuries here have
occurred when he extends plays and he does not give

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up on the play. And it's because he's a great competitor,
and you certainly, you know, don't want to inhibit that
spirit in any way, shape or form. But there's also
a time to be smart. Both ankle injuries that the
gout in even his hip injury this year or all
because you know, he was trying to make a play
when the play had broken down and it really there

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wasn't anything there, and to throw the ball away sometimes
as okay, now think about this. Nick Saban's a great coach.
He couldn't coach that out of him. Okay, Nick Saban's
better than nineteent of the guys coaching in the NFL.
He may not be Andy Reid or Sean Payton maybe
he is, or Belichick maybe he is, but he's better

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than almost everybody on the planet coaching. And he couldn't
coach that out of him. And I've said this before.
I've ever had a therapist for you know, I don't
now currently, but I've had my life gone to therapy
and the last therapist I had said something that really
stuck with me. I think I told this, the joy
before change is hard. If you wanted to change, most
people don't want to that. People tend to revert back
who they are in a time of crisis or when

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they're challenged, when the pocket collapses. This is who two is.
He's a playmaker. Can you coach it out of him?
Baker Mayfield people are like, you know, he's just a
little cocky. This is who he is. You've got to
own it, know it, accept it, and build around it.
Kirk Cousins, I've had two people inside the Vikings organization

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tell me he gets anxious in big spots. He's a
teeth clencher. That's who he is. Build a formula around
him that can overcome that innate DNA quality. Tom Brady
is better in the fourth than the first quarter. That's
who he is. You can't teach that. Brett Farve's a
classic example. We all have a default mechanism, right, we

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all have something we go to in a crisis, and
Brett Farve had one of, if not the greatest NFL
arm I've ever seen. It was way up there with
Elway Marino. He just had a cannon and it was
his default mechanism. Because Brett Farve's arm had saved him
in so many instances high school, college, du pro that
anytime there was an issue, Brett was like, Okay, this

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is my de facto out. I am going to letter rip.
He leads the NFL all time and interceptions. He is
also one of the greatest players in league history. But
that's innately who Brett is. You could not coach that
sort of mindset out of him. Oh crap, here, I
am in trouble. I can squeeze that thing in there.

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That's who he was, and you have to build around
that gun slinger mentality to a pocket collapses his innate response,
I'm moving him a playmaker. Nick Saban couldn't coach it
out of him, and Nick Saban's a top five coach
in the world of football. So Andy Reid's talked about this.
I find what you are, and I heighten and elevate

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what you are, and try to never ask what you're not.
So the criticism by Saban is interesting, is too abound
to get hurt in the pros because he has this
quality that Nick couldn't coach out of him. And if
Nick can't coach it out of him, could at Anthony
Lynn could have Brian Flores. It's interesting, it's smart, it's
something to think about. I will And here's Joey Taylor

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with the news. No, no turn on the news. This
is the herd Line news. Well, the Patriots are going
to have to adapt to a new normal this year
without Tom Brady under center. But Bill Belichick isn't too
worried about getting the offense ready for a new starting quarterback.
Everything we did, every single decision we made in terms

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of major planning, was you know, made with the idea
how to make those things best for Tom Brady. Right now,
that being said, you know, we've had several situations where
we had to play and we knew Tom wasn't going
to be the quarterback, so that would go back to
Castle and Jimmy and Jacobe and you know, situations like that,

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and so I don't don't really see that change. And whoever,
whoever the quarterback is, will try to make it as
make things work smoothly and efficiently for that player and
take advantage of his strength and his skills. And so
it's Jared Sidham and Brian Hoyer right now for the Patriots,
all right, whoever that quarterback is is what he says. Yes,

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they they have the twenty third pick in the draft,
and there is some rumblings that the Patriots maybe a
team to watch for in this year's draft to make
a big move and possibly take a quarterback or stay
there and take a quarterback that's available at the twenty
third spot. We'll talk about what's going to happen in
the offseason training in a few minutes. But I don't

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know about the Patriots this year. I know everyone feels
really comfortable because it's Belichick and he's widely considering the
greatest NFL coach of all time, and you know, he's
the legend in the hoodie and I get all that.
But you have to look at all the circumstances surrounding
the AFC East this year. It's an advantage for every
other team in the AFC East right now except for
the Dolphins and the Patriots. So if you look at

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the Jets, like they're coming back. We were expecting them
to be a little bit better than they were last
year because Sam Donald's not going to have Mono. Assuming
this year, the Bills are going to be in the
best position because not only were they in the playoffs
last year, but they're coming back with the same coach.
In quarterback, Belichick is going to have a different quarterback
and the Dolphins are going to have a different quarterback.
And now I could stick with Ryan Fitzpatrick at the beginning,
which would still give them kind of a slight edge

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over New England even with Brian Hoyer, because I think
Fitzpatrick is better at this point than Brian Hoyer is.
So really, if you look at the current situation, like
the state of the world, they are, they are behind
it when it comes to this position, no matter what decision.
By the way, Belichick is now calling him Stid. You know,
Tom Brady, he couldn't give a game ball too. He's
already calling Jared Stidham stid. It's already his guy very much.

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Does he called him Tommy? Tommy Sammy's kind of his nickname.
Um Stid is interesting. Stid go and uh follow the
bradyway and get that yestid. You know that's taken care
of I legally, so you can put on shirts. So
Christian McCaffrey. Sticking with the Panther's long term, he reportedly
signed a four year contract extension with Carolina worth sixty
four million. Congratulations Hill average sixteen million a year, which

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makes him the highest paid running back in the league.
Ezekiel Elliott is number two. Yeah, with fifteen million a year. Now,
this seems like a lot for a running back. Obviously
not a whole lot more than Ezekiel Elliot, but this
is still a lot of money. But this is this
is the state that the Panthers are in. This doesn't
surprise me at all. It felt like there was like
a very kind of an overreaction to this contract. The

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Panthers have to pay someone. Why wouldn't they pay the
best player on their team, and who is going to
be at least for the next two years. The face
is a franchise. He's also a great receiver. So you're
talking about a guy that's a you know, it's a
he's a massively guy. He's a massively productive player. It's like,
you know, that's such a valuable thing. Like Adrian Peterson
was a great running back, but he fumbled too much

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and he wasn't a good pass catcher. McCaffrey is, he
could actually put him in a slot and have him
be like Julian and Edelman. So he's so productive. He's
also all football. And Matt Rule said during a discussion yesterday,
he goes, we want to have we want to really
be all football now. Translation, the guy that we just
let go at quarterback wasn't all football. So McCaffrey is,

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along with Teddy Bridgewater, no drama, all football. And I
think this is the direction of the new owner wants
and the new coach wants all football. Guys. That's exactly
what I was gonna say. That's clearly the new direction
of the Panthers. McCaffrey became third running back in NFL
history to his clips a thousand yard mark in both
rushing and receiving twenty nineteen, and he's fifth all time

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in franchise history already in rushing yards with two nine
hundred and twenty rushing yards in three seasons. Incredible player. Finally,
the NFL and the players Union have reportedly agreed to
a virtual and voluntary off season program teams can begin Monday,
April twentieth, but no on field work will be allowed
until all thirty two facilities can be opened. Each team

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gets three consecutive weeks of virtual period work consisting of
classroom instruction, workouts and non football educational programs, and an
extra veteran mini camp will also be available for new coaches.
The virtual period ends no later than May fifteenth, and
all off season programs must be completed by June twenty six.

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They can also send players workout equipment and monitoring devices,
provide the cost doesn't exceed fifteen hundred dollars for each
individual player. So they're basically putting together program that is
supposedly fair for every single team because, as we know,
different parts of the country are being affected by the
coronavirus in very different ways, and some dramatically. So if
you're a team, say in New York or a team

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in Carolina, you're going to be affected in different different
scenarios and there's different restrictions for each state. So in
order to make it fair for everyone, you can't have,
you know, a team in a state where there are
much more lax rules for gatherings and for others. So Basically,
they just put together a blanket virtual program for everyone
right now, and you know everyone's gonna have to deal

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with the same circumstances as far as that goes. Good stuff.
Joy Taylor with those, Well, that's the news, and thanks
for stopping Third Line. Thirty minutes from now my mock draft.
I'll do the top twelve picks. It's so much fun
doing this. Plus after our mock draft at the top
and next hour rams, it's gonna get a Hall of

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Fame votes. Left tackle Andrew Whitworth, very smart guy. Former
LSU tiger is going to be joining us. His thoughts
on what's going to be a tremendous offensive tackle class.
People are saying six tackles taken first round four could
be taken in the top twelve fifteen picks. With that,
Peter Schreger joining us now sponsored by Mercedes. Ben's the

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best or nothing, you know, I said this to start
my show. Joe Burrow was compared yesterday by Boomerissias and
the Lebron James. He's been being compared to Joe Montana,
Peyton Manning, and I think it's ridiculous. I don't think
he's physically elite I think he's got smaller hands in
average arm. I think he's going to be a nice quarterback.
But he's also going to an organization that doesn't win

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in a division with great owners and great coaches and
great rosters. That is hard to dig yourself out from.
So when you talk to all your sources shregs, are
they more this kid's going to be a legend or
are they closer to me he'll be a nice NFL player.
They're saying he's the cleanest wide receiver prospect. I'm sorry

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quarterback prospect in this draft. But I thought to one
coach who was like, I like Kyler Murray Moore. And
I thought another coach, and I like Trevor Lawrence more So,
every year you can't have a Lebron James. You know,
it's not like Lebron James is generational. But that said,
what Lebron did for the city of Cleveland, what Lebron
did in the state of Ohio, I see a similarity

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off the field. But no, Joe Burrow is not Andrew
Lucker John Lay. Joe Burrow is not Peyton Manning, or
at least he's not viewed that way as a draft prospect.
Coming out that said he can do something for that
market and for that franchise. That would put him in
that status. If the Bengal suddenly became a team that
wins playoff games and challenges for division titles and who knows,

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eventually gets to a super Bowl again, then Joe Burrow
is in that conversation and Boomera Assiasin's comparison to Lebron
would be what he did for the city of Cleveland.
But no, this isn't some superhuman athlete, and this certainly
isn't the best quarterback prospect we've seen in recent years.
But Tua. Yesterday, Nick Saban said, listen, he the reason
he gets hurt. He is a playmaker. And you know,

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I'm sitting there thinking, as great as Brett Farve was,
his default mechanism was I got a great arm. It's
going to save the day. People are what they are,
and when a pocket collapses, quarterbacks do what they do.
It's in nate, it's in their DNA. Farv's arm got
him in a lot of trouble, got him out of
a lot of trouble. Is it possible The people you

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talk to worry that Tuah, this is who he is
he gets hurt because he sees himself as a playmaker.
That's that's his default move. Colin, I haven't said this anywhere.
I've almost been waiting to say to you, And it's
nothing against the kid. But the more I look into
Tuah with these teams as we get closer to the draft,
more of the teams that have quarterbacks that I wouldn't

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go here too, And I say, whoa, whoa, what do
you mean to say? This coronavirus situation put such a
red flag on the injuries, and then you start wondering,
he's six feet tall. You know, he's got four NFL
wide receivers out there. He's got you know, Jedrick Wills
is going to be a top ten NFL pick at tackle.
He's gotten to saving. He's got to be everyone's picking

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apart Ta right now. And there's no way for Tua
to really answer those critics because they can't get him
in the room. So you're doing stuff over skype as
opposed to getting a chance to actually work out, to
a chance to look at Tah at a pro day
where you are present in a chance for your doctors
to really check out on him. What I'm saying I
haven't said anywhere yet. Everyone's got Tah in the top

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five and maybe six to the Chargers. I think six
is where I would place him right now. But there
is a chance that Tah takes a little slip in
this thing, and it's because of the last two months,
not because of what he's all about or about his character,
but it's because these teams want to see him up close.
And it's a great, great barrier to not be able
to get your hands on Tua and have your doctors

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give him a personal physical and a personal medical examination
in the week's leading up to the draft. I'm not
sure where Tuah goes right now. And yes, he is
a playmaker and he tries to make plays, but that's
led to multiple ankle injuries. That's led to a hip
injury in a game that they were up by thirty points. Said,
there's questions of why he was even in the game.
I don't know, Colin. I was so high on to

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about a month ago, and I think a lot of
teams were at the combine. I'm not sure if this
guy is still looked at the same way as he
was even three weeks ago. Wow, that's interesting. You know,
we think of the Raiders and we look at him
and we kind of roll our eyes because of what
they've been. But if you go back to their draft
class last year, Schreeger the Raiders rookie rankings. Their rookies

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were number one in scrimmage yards, scrimmage touchdowns, rushing yards, receptions,
and sacks, the first team since the nineteen seventy merger
that had seven rushing touchdowns seven receiving touchdowns by rookies
in the first ten games of the year. The Raiders
aced the draft. They had fifth rounders and fourth rounders
having incredibly productive years. Ten sacks, sixty catches. What do

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we credit that too? I mean, why did the Raiders
We all rolled our eyes at the ab mess. They
nailed the draft? How why? Well, here's Mike Mayock's first draft.
And when I spoke to him before the draft, he said,
I'm looking for franchise cornerstones. And I'm like, Okay, well
everyone is. He's like, no, I'm looking for guys who
were captains in college and played at great programs and

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can make an impact and really build around. So you
look at that Cleveland Farrell went fourth overall. Nobody I'm
talking nobody now, Kiper myself, Daniel Jeremiah, how'd this guy
in the top ten? He went fourth overall? He was
a franchise cornerstone, a Clemson defensive end. Then you get
Jonathan Abram who didn't play at all last season but
was a vocal leader, Josh Jacob Alabama. And then you

(28:36):
get Max Crosby who is the best player at his school,
Hunter Renfro. We've been watching for a hundred years. They've
got so many guys, Trayvon mull in a corner. There's
so many picks, and they went from big programs and
they got guys that were leaders and captains. They have
the twelfth and the nineteenth overall pick in this draft.
From everything I'm hearing, there's a chance at Cebe Lamb,

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who everyone pretty much looks at as the number one
wide receiver in this draft out of out of Oklahoma,
he could slip to twelve. Well, that would be a
bargain right there. At twelve nineteen. You're talking about a
possible Patrick Queen from LSU who's a great linebacker, Kenneth
Murray from Oklahoma, a great linebacker. CJ. Henderson, a great corner.
They're gonna nail it again with the twelfth and the
nineteenth six and we're gonna look back on this Khalil

(29:18):
Mack trade that everyone killed them for twenty four months,
I mean quavered them, and you're gonna say, wow, they
picked up five, six, seven different players out of those
two drafts are gonna be franchise cornerstone. And I think
Mayak and Gruden cleaned up last year. Remember this team
was six and four and tied with the Chiefs in
the AFC West going into Week twelve. Last year they

(29:39):
fell apart because they were all rookies and they were young.
I think the Raiders are going to be really good
when we get back to football, and I think that
class from last year was built with guys that are
going to be franchise builders. A great draft class. You're
absolutely right, you know, you make a great point. Week
crushed the Raiders for Khalil Mack, and in the end,
it's how they are rebuilding their franchise. Jimmy Johnson trades

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herschel Walker and people say he's out of his gourd.
It built the dynasty of the Cowboys. It doesn't happen
without that deal. So it's we have to be we
have to acknowledge. As broadcasters, sometimes we hyper ventilate when
you lose a star. But the Raiders have come out
the winner so far on the Khalil macdeal. Yeah, Colin, Colin,

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they picked Khalil Mack twenty something million dollars in Chicago.
The entire rookie class that you just mentioned or I
just mentioned, they might make twenty million dollars total. That's
why sometimes these star players are traded and everyone says, well,
what are you doing? How do you trade a guy
like that? Because there's a salary cap, and because we
need to still other positions on our team, and because
we are a four and twelve team. Whatever. With Khalil Mack,

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I think an interesting team. Everybody's got a favorite team
or two as a media person that you grew up
liking or whatever. And I grew up in Seattle, so
I watched the Seahawk drafts. But I love the Jets.
I know the GM Joe Douglass, you know him very well.
And I love Sam Arnold, who I know well. And
I think if they get a starting left tackle in
a starting corner with their first two picks, I think
they're a playoff team. I think C. J. Mosley's coming back.

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I really do believe this. They were a very interesting
team at the end of last year and now Tom
Brady's out of the division, and I think the Patriots
are in a little bit of a rebuild offensively. So
you're close to the Jets. It feels like to me
it's guaranteed left tackle first pick. Your thoughts. It's a
great draft crop for what the Jets need and where

(31:28):
they're drafting. And what I mean by that is at
the eleventh overall pick, they're going to be players available
at dire positions of need at very very high talent level.
So I'm with you, I think, no matter what, and
I would put this out there in print, and I'll
put it on yourself, no matter what, I think the
Jets go offensive line with that eleventh pick. Yeah, and
that is including guys like Ceedee Lamb and Jerry Judy

(31:51):
and Henry Ruggs all being on the board, even if
they're there at wide receiver and the Jets need wide receiver.
But because of the depth at the wide receiver position
this year in the and it is so rich, I
think the Jets are going to get one of the
following four offensive lineman, and you mentioned them four might
go in the top twelve. I think the order I
see it as is this Tristan Worth's out of Iowa,

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Jedrick Wills out of Alabama, McKay Beckton out of Louisville.
And the guy that is sneaking up draft boards that
has been on the radar all along, but back up
in that conversation is Andrew Thomas at a Georgia. I
think this kid, Andrew Thomas plays guard or tackle. Don't
be shocked if he ends up going top ten and
before one of those top three guys, because he might

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be the safest offensive line project in this draft. And
at eleven, the Jets are going to get one of
those four guys. I'd be shocked if all four of
those guys are taken before them. Shregs, You're so good.
Good Morning Football. He's on that show in the NFL
network that's been off for a while, it's back on.
He does a great job for us. My buddies always
text me after you're on. They love Shregs. Great stuff.
We are. I'm so into the Jets, it's really an

(32:55):
obsession now. I can't wait Shreeger, by the way it
should be noted, gave me Joe Douglas's number. That's what
a good friend is when you can you give me
phone numbers for GMS and I can annoy them. You're
my friend, Shreeger, Thanks buddy. Yeah, and when you give
me coach Mike Schevski's number, we'll call it. Thanks my man.
All right, job, all right, great job by you, Shrikes.

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All right, listen, listen, I'm very excited. The top of
the hour, I give you my mock draft. Please watch.
You can rip it to shreds whatever you want to do.
And Andrew Whitworth. But coming up next, Ethan Strauss does
a very good job writing and covering the NBA and
the Warriors. He's got a new book coming out and
it talks about the K D Steph relationship. Very very interesting,

(33:41):
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(34:02):
Andrew Whitworth and my mock draft on top of the hour,
I'm so excited from a mock draft. I just this
is joy knows. We've all got things we like in life.
It's it's I'm into it. And so I read him,
read and read and read him. And I've never done one.
And today I'm gonna do top twelve picks in the draft.
I feel strongly about it. I'll and I do have
a major trade, and I think it's an obvious one,

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and so I'll roll the dice on that. So Ethan
Strauss writes and covers the NBA for The Athletic. He
reminds me a lot of the baseball guy Tom Verducci.
He writes long columns, digs very deep, and he always
gives you a story or an anecdote or a nugget
that people in his sport miss h they have a
blind spot. He finds that kind of stuff and he

(34:42):
makes me think. I like writers that make me think.
Tom Verducci does that, East and Strouss does that. So
he's he's writing a book. He's got a book out
about the Warriors and the sensational dynasty of the Warriors,
and he talks about the rub between k D and
Staph And he was trying to make a few points
and say I didn't begrudge Kady for having leverage with
his contract and insisted that I had a good reason

(35:05):
to write something I wrote. Kady wasn't impressed and accused
me of trying to rile up Steph's fans. Katie expressed
that this was a constant theme in the Bay. All
of us local guys just wanted to kiss Steph's ass
at his expense. This was Katie's consistent lament. He would
frequently squabble in direct message conversations with a Warrior fans

(35:26):
on Twitter, frequently accusing them of favoring Steph at his expense.
This is what's fascinating about Kadie. Now, first, here's a truism.
I'm not comparing myself to Katie, but I've moved a lot,
join and I've moved a lot. The downside to mobility
is you never already have a hometown. I live in
la and plan to live here for the rest of

(35:47):
my life. But I lived in rural Washington State, and
then I went cross state, and then I got a
job in Vegas, and then I went to Tampa, and
then I went to Portland, and then I went to Connecticut,
and then I went to Los Angeles. I don't have
a hometown. I don't have a hometown. It's the downside.
I don't have lifelong friends across the street many most

(36:09):
of you probably do. I've moved a lot. Katie's moved
a lot. Grew up in DC. Didn't choose Georgetown, he
chose Texas. Then he gets drafted by Seattle. They moved
to OKC. Then he chooses the Bay and then I'm
tired of that and I go to Brooklyn. He's comfortable
with that. Kind of the downside is it is Steph's team.

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Because Steph was the founder of the dynasty. He put
the seed money in it's and so it will always
be his. Apple is a great company. It'll always be
Steve Jobs. He has passed, It's still Steve Jobs company.
He left the company, they fired him, he came back.

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It was still his imprint. It always will be Apple
is Steve Jobs. Microsoft, Steve Baburn came in later, is
always Bill Gate. That's the way it is the Celtics.
It will always be Russell and Red Arbok and then
Larry Bird. But that's the reality of it. So the

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downside of mobility when you move around. I come to Fox,
the Simpsons and Terry Bradshaw and how he long. We're
here a lot longer than I am. It'll never be
my place. It's theirs. It's not mine. I'm a visitor now,
Don't don't get me wrong. It's my family and I
love him and I hope to never leave, but I'm
not the Simpsons. They built the place. Terry and how

(37:33):
he built the place. I never did. I've come along
to build a cable part of it, and I think
I'm valuable. But I understand mobility has a downside. This
will never be Lebron's town. It was Magic's, it was Kobe's.
It wasn't Wilt. He came from somewhere else. Kareem was
never really is beloved as Magic as Kobe. It's there's

(37:58):
beginning to end, and it'll never be Lebron's town. But
what is fascinating about Kevin Durant is that you have
to understand that with mobility, but he keeps choosing the
same headache. So in Oklahoma City, people really thought of
him and Westbrook. It was theirs like people. It wasn't

(38:20):
really Westbrook's team. It wasn't Kadie's team. It certainly wasn't Hardens,
but it was kad and Westbrooks team. And I think
the smart people knew Kadie was the much better player.
But he left that and he shows a place that
had won without him, and then he got frustrated with that,
and now he chooses Brooklyn's. That's Kyrie's team. He went first,

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and he grew up a Nets fan. Kyrie grew up
in New Jersey. So what's fascinating about Kevin Durant. He's
mobile and he's benefited, like Lebron, greatly from it, but
he is he seeking something that's not going to be
available to him ever, because once you start moving, no
place is ever yours. And that's okay, that's okay, no

(39:06):
place is ever yours. And so Oklahoma City was the
closest because he was in Texas but only a year.
It's not his and then he goes to Oklahoma City,
and to be honest with you, that was his home
and he said, nah, I want to go over here,
all right, he won, but then they started loving him
and he said, nah, I go over there. Well, Kyrie

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is the staph version of Brooklyn. The difference is he
hasn't won the title yet. So there's part of me
that has I feel sympathy for Kevin Durant, but I
think he's smart enough to know what he chose. But
this is, this is Ethan Strouss, the Athletic got a
new book out. Do we know? Do we know the
name of the book? He had the title of the
book given credit? Is that when the downside to choose

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in Golden State, and you just got to get your
mind right on this is it's never gonna be my team.
And I think it bothered Kevin Durant that it was
never his team. At some point it did bother him
or he wouldn't be mentioning it to writers. But you
just got to get your arms around. Now when you
show up, it's never You're not the founder and so
it's not your company. When I was at ESPN, it's
Chris Burman's place. I knew that. Dick Vitel and Chris Berman,

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it's their place. Milk Kuiper, that's their place, I'm a visitor.
I can be family and a visitor. I was like adopted.
I was adopted at the ESP I've been adopted by Fox,
and I'm very very happy. All Right, it's the Victory Machine.
Is the name of the book. Is it the Victory Machine?
Ethan Strouss? Okay, mock draft Andrew Wittworth. I'm a nerd.

(40:35):
I mean, you know, we gotta admit what you are.
I'm a nerd. I like mock drafts. I'm gonna give
you mine. I think it's right. I'll put it up
against anybody's that's coming up. Hour two Live in La
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here we go hour to live in Los Angeles. This
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that's an interesting person I work with. Because I'm gobbling

(41:18):
up all my food here. We're in a small ribbing
a small radio booth. There's not a lot of food
service options up here. I gotta make'm brown bagging it
every day and I'm having the time of my life. Joy.
How are you? I'm good. I'm very serious about sandwiches.
Oh yeah, I'm like I'm a sandwich artist, if you will. Yeah,
everything has to be toasted, layered. Certain things have to

(41:39):
be warm, and tomatoes and a let us have to
be cold. Yeah, certain combination of condiments. It's very important. Yeah,
Andrew Worth's in about seven eight minutes. So I'm gonna
do a mock draft. Everybody's got a mock draft. I
think the longer you give a weather forecast as a meteorologist,
the less accurate you are. So I'm not going to
go through the entire first round. I'm gonna go twelve

(42:01):
Bengals to the Raiders. Raiders had a great draft last year.
So here we go. Here is my mock draft. I'm
into this stuff. I always have been. I'm a total dork.
I get it. I'm living with it. Here we go,
all right. Number one the Cincinnati Bengals, easiest pick on

(42:21):
the board. Pick LSU quarterback Joe Burrow. He had a
great year. He's a nice to me B plus prospect.
They need a quarterback, they have a need. He's there.
He's from Ohio, he went to Athens High School in
the Plains. So Joe Burrow goes to the Bengals number two,
the Redskins second easiest take on the board, although I

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do believe Washington would have discussions about trading this. Chase
Young all time leader at Ohio State and sacks for
a single season, remarkable considering the boats the boys went there.
It's interesting. Washington is actually pretty good upfront defensively top
third in the NFL and sacks. I think Ron Rivera
could ender even more with his schemes. But Chase Young
is a once in a every five year pass rush talent.

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They get him number three. Okay, we got a trade.
The Chargers and Detroit Lions flop picks. The Chargers move
up to three, the Lions back to six, and the
Lions get a corner from the Chargers and two draft
picks to move up, and the Chargers take Justin Herbert.

(43:29):
Last four NFL drafts, the fourteen first round quarterbacks. Ten
people moved up to get him. I think the Chargers
are sending out messages they want him without saying it.
The four biggest games for Herbert last year Auburn, Wisconsin, Utah, Washington.
He played great or at least very well in all

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four and came one play away from going four and
oh he's NFL ready, He'll sit for a year, and
then met the Chargers franchise quarterback. Number four the New
York Giants take Clemson stud Isaiah Simmons. Listen, they have
two really good defensive tackles. They need playmakers. They gave

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up over twenty eight points a game defensively in a
division with the offensively gifted Cowboys and Carson Wentz in
the Eagles. They gotta make stops. They're not winning games
in this division regardless of how good Daniel Jones is
until they make stops and Simmons can solve a lot
of their issues. Number five Dolphins. They take two m

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one hundred and ninety nine career efficients. He passer rating
in college football best of all time. This organization passed
on Drew Brees years ago, who had some injuries. They've
regretted it since. Two is not a perfect candidate because
of the medical issues he can get healthy behind Ryan Fitzpatrick.
The Dolphins will also with fourteen draft picks, build an

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offensive line let it mature for a year. In before
two plays number six. This is the Lions now, who
got a corner and a draft picker two from the Chargers.
They take Derek Brown. He's the best interior defensive lineman
in the draft. They lost a couple of defensive tackles
in free agency. They also allowed four hundred yards a game,

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second worst in the NFL, so Matt Patrician, Bob Quinn.
They get draft picks from the Chargers, a starting corner
from the Chargers, and now get the best interior defensive
lineman in the draft. Really good start for the Lions.
In this year's draft, number seven, the Carolina Panthers take

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Ohio State corner of Jeff Okuda. The Lions liked him,
but couldn't pass up the trade to get a corner
and a top defensive lineman. The Panthers allowed twenty nine
points a game, last year's second worst in the NFL.
Also lost their best corner to free agency, James Bradberry,
so outed drops a couple of spots Lions wanted him,

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but had to bite at what the Chargers offered to
get Herbert. They moved down. The Panthers are the beneficiary
getting the best corner from a university Ohio state. That's
a factory factory for corners. Number eight the Arizona Cardinals
take Iowa offensive tackle Tristan Worf's listen. Kyler Murray got

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sacked forty eight times. Now just consider that that is
arguably the second or third most mobile quarterback in the
league got sacked forty eight times. They have to protect
their ass set. They've also got DeAndre Hopkins. They went
out and got a Kenyan Drake, so they've got him weapons,
They've got their coach, they got their quarterback. Now they

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have to protect him. They get Tristan Worse. Number nine,
the Jags take the best receiver easily in this draft,
Jerry Judy. Listen, they're tanking to get a quarterback next
year when they get Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields. They're
gonna hand him the best young wide receiver talent in
two or three drafts. In Jerry Judy, he is spectacular.

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This team has a million things they have to worry about,
but I don't think there's gonna be a wide receiver
as good last year, this year, or next year as
Judy and the Jags get him. The Cleveland Browns at
number ten, what did they do in the off season?
They have terrible tackles. They went and got a right tackle,

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Jack Conklin and free agency, nice player. They need a
left tackle. They'll get McKay Beckton Baker was sacked forty
times last year. The interior of their old lines not bad.
They were really below average at tackle. So they get
a free agency right tackle, they get a starting left tackle.
I think this is a really obvious pick. Number eleven

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the New York Jets. Okay, fifty two sacks last year.
They've already gone out in free agency and found a
right tackle, Noah Fant, and a center Connor McGovern. They
will go and draft Jedrick Wills, an underrated tackle for Bama.
I think I think he's as good as any of
the tackles. They'll put him out to the left side.
So now they have rebuilt their offensive line for Sam Darnold.

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Second round, they'll get a corner. Third round, they have
two picks. They'll get a receiver and another interior offensive lineman.
Or a linebacker. The Jets take Jedrick Wills, and finally twelve,
the Raiders take CJ. Henderson, the fastest corner. Raiders love speed. Listen.
They nailed their draft last year, and they went with
a lot of offensive players tied end, receiver, running back.

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This year they've got to solve defense. You're in a
division with Patrick Mahomes. You gotta get corners and you
gotta get edge rushers. And they feel they got the
latter last draft. This year they go for a gator
and get a corner. All right, there's my mock draft.
I just had so much fun doing that. You have
no idea. You have no idea how much I liked it.
I could be wrong on all picks except Joe Burrow.

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He's going to SINCI that I know. Andrew Wittworth Rams
left tackle, a guy i'd vote for the Hall of
Fame when he's eligible. Just signed an extension. I believe
for a couple of years. And Andrew is now joining us.
He's gonna do this now, hopefully we get him on
a more consistent basis. Let me just start with the
obvious question. Todd Gurley gets moved. Were you surprised? You know,

(49:19):
I think you are surprised just because of the player
he's been for us, and really what a great, phenomenal
football player he's been. But also you realize that, you know,
this is how the league works, contracts, and you know
what and what you expect of a guy every year,
and you know, it just kind of seemed like things.
You know, this year, we knew we're gonna have to

(49:39):
lose somebody with it really where we are in the
cap and it's unfortunate because he's a tremendous teammate and
a tremendous player. I mean, this really is the NFL.
You obviously start in Cincinnati and you end with the
La Rams. As we get into a situation, the Rams
season had some tumult but you were nine and seven.
It's a really good division. How do you feel with

(49:59):
the state of the Rams today? No OTAs, you're in
a really tough division, the Niners make the Super Bowl.
You wake up in the morning, where do you think
the organization is at? You know what? I feel good
about it? I really do. I think that there's obviously
things that you know, I think cap wise, maybe the
organization would wish were better, But I think for a

(50:19):
team standpoint, I love living in a world where you've
been successful, you won nine games, and you feel like
the world's fallen, and now all of a sudden, you
got an opportunity where no one expects you to do
anything and they're kind of stacking the cards against you,
and we get an opportunity to go prove who we are.
I think that I like our staff, I like our players,

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and I like us without attitude and chip on our shoulders.
By the way, despite injuries, the Rams allowed the few
as sacks last year in the NFL at twenty two.
People may not mention that, and they had some really
big injuries in the interior or the offensive line. You
were a Bengal came to the Rams. Joe Burrows obviously
going to the Bengals. I've said this before. If you
go where a quarterback lands, it will dictate his success

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far more than where he is picked. The Steelers are
well running deep, the Ravens are well running deep. There
has been dysfunction in Cincinnati. How worried are you for Burrow,
who also went to LSU that he's just he's inheriting
a franchise that's been bumpy and a division that is stacked.
You know, I think the bigger concern is really probably

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that division. That division seems to be stacked and getting
better and better. Yes, so with a rookie quarterback, you're
gonna have a lot of expectation to try and beat
a lot of good football teams. And then also you
look at Joe I mean, you know, in some ways
I love the matchup because you look at his career
and really the adversities he had to faith and you
always hear I heard him talk a lot and kind
of followed him a little bit through this process, you know,

(51:47):
persevere and battle and overcoming adversity your things. You always
hear him talking about. And I think that he's entering
a franchise that that's what it's been all about in
the recent past, and so they're gonna need it. Guy's
got a little bit of an attitude or you know what,
It's not going to always be easy. I'm gonna have
to battle and persevere through some tough times. And I
think you'd be interesting to see. I think he's a
tremendous player, and I think that Cincinnati, I think is

(52:10):
definitely going to go after him, and I think it'd
be a good matchup. By the way, you were there
when Andy Dalton came in, right, I was, yeah, So
give me the first year of Andy Dalton. How long
does it take? Because Andy's a smart kid and a
hard worker. Was he a little over his skis the
first year? Well, I think you look at when he
came in. He came from CCU, and you know, I

(52:32):
think that's a much different environment probably in Fort Worth
at TCU than it was in Cincinnati, Ohio at that time,
and so I think it definitely is a lot of
pressure and there's a lot of things on you. But Andy,
really the mental part of the game was always his
most superb talent and trait. You know, he understood things,
He understood defenses. He really picked that kind of stuff

(52:53):
up fast, and I think that you really couldn't, you know,
take that away from him. His work ethic to understand
the game was really good. And you hear Joe talked
about that, and I hear coaches that have worked with
Joe and really the people in the past that you know,
have been around him. That's something they say about him too.
Is not only the talent he has. He's a big
athletic kid and can throw the football, but his work
ethic and really he started from a bad place, you know,

(53:15):
hearing stories about his freshman year when they all made
fun of him and gave him nicknames and said he
had no chance, and to really work where he is
now and re inventing his arm motion and everything. I
think that, Like I said, I really believe that he's
built with the right mentality and attitude to inner Cincinnati
and be able to have success. Nick Saban had an
interesting quote yesterday Andrew Whitworth joining us. Nick said, listen,

(53:41):
every time two have got hurt, he extended a play
and he's got to learn not to do that. And
my takeaway is, Andrew, well, hell if Nick Saban can't
coach that out of him, I'm not sure anybody can
coach it out of him. Are you worried that, Tah.
This is who he is. He's a playmaker, He extends plays,
and he's a smaller athlete, and this may just be

(54:01):
the albatross, the problem, the liability he can overcome. You know,
I think you look at him and you watch him play. Obviously,
being a guy who played in the SEC, I've watched
a lot of his games. You see the athleticism you
see really just that he's one of those guys that
not only can he play the quarterback position, but he's
just got a smooth athletic ability to him. I know
he gets compared to Russell a lot, but it really

(54:23):
is true. You see that nothing kind of seems overwhelming
to him. And I think that you have that natural
ability to want to make a play. But you know,
I would argue Russell Wilson runs around like crazy and
does all that stuff himself, and and maybe this injury,
this last one, really is enough to rock him to say,
all right, I'm gonna run around, I'm gonna try and
do things, but when this play's really breaking down, I
really got heat on me. I gotta get the ball

(54:44):
out of my hand and take care of myself. And
you know, I think that it's one of those things
that maybe it can be a blessing to disguise for him,
that this one really sends him over the edge to say, hey,
all right, I'm gonna do what I do and be
who I am, but there's gonna be a time where
I've got to go ahead and say, all right, now
this plays over, let's move to the next one. By
the way, I think you've only missed one game since
twenty fourteen. You've only missed a handful of games in

(55:07):
a fourteen year career talking of two US, so you
have stayed healthy. And I think I have this note.
You're the oldest offensive lineman in the NFL. So I
want to ask you, this is a very good tackle
offensive tackle draft. One of them is going to flourish.
The rest will be good. One probably won't be as
good as we think. What do you look at because

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you note, Andrew, you've been in all these camps, You've
been in fifteen camps. You can sniff out a guy
really quick and you're like, he's not as good as advertise.
What if you were running a scouting department with all
these tackles, two things that you would really hone in
on to ensure the college kid becomes a great pro.

(55:48):
You know, I think that you look at in the past,
teams really focus, it seems to be and whether they
hit or miss on guys, it seems to be two
different directions. And one of them is to me, tremendous athletes,
tremendous explosion and lots of pop. You know, you say, wow,
this guy has a lot of splash plays that look great,
but you know, you really want to know what are
his regular plays look like? How does he you know?

(56:10):
Is he a guy who has a splash play and
then he's lazy and gets beat by somebody has no
business getting beat by, you know. And then the second
guy would be the guy who's not really splash you
but he just blocks his guy every play. And you
know what the bottom line is, his guy doesn't make
the play in the run game, and his guy doesn't
get to the quarterback. And you look at this class,
I mean, I think that really a lot of these
guys up top or are talented. I mean you got

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to say that there's some big guys that can move
and can play. The one I really love I heard
you say last is Jesuch Wills. I like that guy.
I think he has some great feat He seems to
have a really good feet in the smoothness about him.
And U you know what, I think McCay Beckton's a
big explosive. He'd be the other end of it, a big,
huge explosive flash plays. You see him explode on guys

(56:55):
and it's like wow, you know, and so that's really
an example of two of the guys that you say,
all right, one is really smooth and athletic and seems
to be smart and just kind of do his job
and look look like it's easy, and Malie backed him. Man,
it's like no one's he's smart and plays well. But man,
there's some splash out there at times where it's like
he just dominates people. And so I think that you
really look at those guys, you got to make a

(57:16):
decision what it means the most to you do I
want the guy who's the most consistent of a guy
who's gonna give me splash and the ability to just
move people. And I think for me, I really like
that Will's kid, and I look forward to seeing how
he does success. Yeah, he's very good technically if you
look at how he uses his feet. I talked to
a scout about this about a month ago. He said
that kid just doesn't give you any opportunities. He's his stance,

(57:39):
his balance is always perfect, and he's a guy that
can move around a little bit. You could do left
or right tackle. It would be fine. Andrew Whitworth joining us.
You know, it's funny about Cincinnati. So Cincinnati historically Over
the last ten off seasons, the Bengals have signed two
players to contracts value at ten million or more, both
this year. So this year they decided we're gonna go

(58:01):
spend money. It's very interesting because they've always been considered
a frugal slash chief organization. What do you make as
as Burrow comes in, the Bengals are deciding we're gonna
spend cash. That is not the Bengals you had, right, Yeah,
the first thing I make is that makes me aggravated. No, no, yeah, exactly.

(58:23):
I think you know, I think it's a good message,
and I think it's to me. It's I think they
know they're about to pick a kid, and Joe Burrow,
who's special, who seems to have a charisma and really
just a swag about him to be a good football player.
You hear him say all the right things, and really
you see the way his team rallied around him last
year and seem to like truly love him and get
thrive off of him. I think they know, you know what,

(58:46):
we need to make sure that that this kid understands
we're committed to trying to win. And I think that
really the commitment their show on there to Zach Taylor
and the coach and to bring in any young quarterback
like that. I really think it tells me all the
way they're going with Joe Burrow and they're good trying
to make you know, that kid feel confident. And also
Zach Taylor and his staff, Hey, we're going to do
our part and be a part of this, because I

(59:06):
think at times in the past that's what you felt.
You felt there, like, hey, we gotta draft perfectly, we
gotta raise up every single draft pick perfectly. The coach
has got to do an amazing job. But we're never
really going to ever pay to really like ownership. Hey,
you help us out, Like I get a couple of
guys that just talent wise make us better, you know.
And I think that that's a new, new, new, really

(59:28):
thing that they're doing there as far as it's acquiring talent.
By the way, very well run organizations like the Baltimore
Ravens have gone out and they paid for Marcus Peters,
they paid for Colas Campbell. It's Kansas City of Philadelphia,
like it's okay, it's a new world. Go out and
you can't, as Andrew said, you can't draft perfectly. I mean,
Belichick whiffs all the time, so go get guys players. Finally,

(59:52):
you are the oldest offensive lineman in the NFL, so
my instinct is missing. This ota is not the worst
thing for you. Your body gets more rest. Is that
how you look at it, You know it couldn't be
a bigger blessing in disguise for me. I mean the
opportunity to really just because you know, you really look
at it. At my age, it's it's a specific training

(01:00:14):
things I know I need to do to get ready
to to Really there's you know, a team workout is great,
but there's probably things that you have to do to
take care of all fifty sixty seventy guys that are
in the in the weight room that maybe not are
the best thing for me at my age really that
I need to be taken care of. And so you know,
it gives me the opportunity during this time really honestly
just focus on the things I need to be doing

(01:00:35):
and to take care of myself and get ready. And yeah,
I mean a little break from moutiers. I'm never complaining
anytime I guess to take my feet off the practice
field a little bit. Well, why not your family safe
by the way, Andrew through this virus. We're good man,
We're blessed. I mean you really you realize I blessed
you are to have a home and a place for
your kids to be and to be safe and sitting inside.
We're never gonna act like this is, you know, in

(01:00:56):
the middle of a world pandemic. We're sitting inside and
we have food and home. We're very blessed him and
trying to do everything we can to help those around
us that aren't great. Talking to Emai, I love having
you on the show. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you. Andrew
Whitworth left tackle playing in the NFL fifteen years, four
time pro bowler. He has been a rock for that organization.

(01:01:18):
He has been When Sean McVeigh got there, we got
to get a left tackle. He has been a rock.
Former LSU Tiger. All right, we take a break. John Middlecoff,
former NFL scout, My buddy from the Bay Area on
the Raiders and the forty nine ers both have I believe,
two first round picks. Very interesting up in the Bay Area. Also,
Herm Edwards, my buddy last hour. I cannot wait to

(01:01:41):
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getting some pushback around the country from certain regions of
the country who no longer want to be locked in
their home. And it is a very interesting situation. On

(01:02:25):
the West coast Oregon, Washington, California have forty seven million
people and we have twelve hundred deaths eighty three percent
in California for people who are not in the workforce,
older retired nursing homes. So I do think, is the
weather gets warmer, economic collapse, people out of jobs, You're
going to get pushback. You're starting to see it in
the country now as weather warms up, people are gonna say, listen,

(01:02:49):
three hundred and thirty million people, here's the number of deaths,
primarily to people with pre existing medical conditions. I think
it's going to be a real struggle going forward. It's
going to be waves and fluids situations. The market's going
to be up and down. It's gonna be a lot
of tumult There's a lot of encouraging signs, but we
are we are about halfway through this thing in terms

(01:03:09):
of forget the economy, about the waves and the vaccines,
and that we got a long way to go. But
I am seeing people stay at home. We are seeing
a decline sharply in hospitalizations and the need for ICU beds,
shockingly so in places like Florida. But you know, this
is the land of the free man. You're gonna get

(01:03:30):
some push back from the peeps. And it's getting warm
and people want to be outside, and people want to
go to work and make money. Here's Joey Taylor of
the News, Turn on the news, this is the herd
Line News. Well, as we know, the Bengals have the
top pick in this year's NFL drafts and head coach
Zach Taylor doesn't see a scenario right now where they

(01:03:52):
trade out of that top spot. If there's a guy
there that you believe in that can really change the
franchise over the next ten fifteen years, then that's a
hard thing to pass up on. People all the time
ask me what would it take to give up that pick,
And if there's somebody there that people are willing to
go out a blot four that they believe in, that
really verifies what we think about those players as well.
If somebody offered him, if Miami said we got fourteen picks,

(01:04:14):
here's ten of them. I mean, you've got to be
a you have to take phone calls, but they're not moving,
but you have to take the call. No, I do
think you have to take the call. Look, he's right.
If you believe in Joe Burrow truly, then there's no
there's really no draft or trade package that's going to
be more appealing than Joe Burrow because you need that position,

(01:04:36):
you need that guy, and you are in the position
to take that guy without making any move. So if
they truly believe in him, of course you shouldn't move.
You're gonna take the call. But I don't know this
could be a way to drive up right for Joe
Burrow as well, if they're still interested in possibly moving
off of him. I don't have a lot of faith
that there's going to be any movement at that position. Obviously.

(01:04:59):
We I kind of agree that the Dolphins are really
the only team that are in the position to make
a trade phone call like that, and it would have
to be a haul. And if the Dolphins don't believe
one thousand percent that Joe Burrow is a guy, then
that trade is not a good trade for the Dolphins either,
although I think it is so. Dwayne Haskins had struggled
in his rookie season, and with the second pick in

(01:05:19):
the draft, Washington could make a surprise move and take
one of the top quarterback prospects. But when safety Landon
Collins was asked if he would want two on his team,
he stood by Haskins and he doesn't want the team
to give up on him. We drested afraid round dat
pick quarterback lass Ship. I think two would be a
great aspect to our team, but we already have one.

(01:05:39):
I think we should lad to keep the guy we
have now. But I as that Bessie, because I mean
he's when he when he's compared and he knows what
he has to do on the field. He's he's goin
slinging and he's pushing the ball downfield. He's making place
of that standpoints high seed. Yeah, well, give Haskins a
year and if I mean it's not fair at this point,
Dwayne Haskins said, what he starts seven? I forgot how

(01:06:01):
many starts has he had. You gotta give him, you
gotta give him more than although the Arizona didn't give
Josh rows and many starts. Well, that's my point. I
think Arizona kind of set a very interesting tone for
the rest of the NFL. But it's it's not really
the end of the world. If you have taken a player,
a quarterback in the top ten and you don't think
he's the guy, do it again. And I'm not really

(01:06:23):
against that. I mean, I thought Josh Rozen kind of
got a bad deal there. But you know, they're happy
with Kyler Murray. It looks like Kyler Murray is going
to be end up being a great player for them
if they make all the right moves and put pieces
around him. So the quarterback position is just too important.
You have to get the guy. If that means you
got to draft the guy three years in a row,
that's what you gotta do, because until you have that guy,

(01:06:44):
it really doesn't matter what you do with the rest
of the team. You can have all the talent there
in the world. If you don't have the guy at
the quarterback position, you're gonna have a great team and
you're only gonna go so far as we know. So
I'm not against that. I don't know that i've seen
anything from Haskins that makes me feel like he's the guy.
Maybe that's unfair, and he does need another year, and
Washington's in a unique position to have a little wiggle

(01:07:06):
room with Rivera there, he's not worried about losing his job.
You have a little bit of time with the fans
and a little bit of patients there, and then obviously
we're all dealing with the situation with the pandemic that's
gonna you know, give teams like Washington a little bit
more more space to make those decisions. But I would
not be against them taking a quarterback again. I mean,

(01:07:27):
if nothing else, you trade him. So I just haven't
don't know if I've seen enough from Haskins. Speaking of that,
Chase Young is wildly considered to be the best player
in this year's draft, and his former Ohio States teammate
Nick Fosa also expects big things from Young at the
next level. Bosa said, I think he'll be defensive Rookie
of the Year next year or even more. I think
his potential is as good as anybody's just with his

(01:07:48):
physical attributes. It's a little different playing NFL tackles, but
once he gets the hang of it, he's going to
be the real deal. Young set the school record in
twenty nineteen with sixteen and a half sacks in a
single season. Pretty Much everyone feels like he's going to
end up at Washington. He is the best player in
the draft, and that's the position, and Alton is in
they also they're already pretty good up front. So Ron Rivera,

(01:08:12):
I mean he drafts Chase Young, Joy he can go
for the next seven years in DC and say, I
mean they their defensive front is the best part of
that team and it's going to get significantly better. So
if you have Carson Wentz and Dak in your division
and Daniel Jones and they can all move a little,
Washington saying, we got the guy who can chase him right,
and this is this is a position that you can

(01:08:34):
take that kind of risk on like that. That's a big,
high impact player position. And he is, like I said,
considered to be the best player in the draft. I'm
really looking forward to seeing what he does in the
NFL just because he is so highly praised and he's
just an electric player to watch. Yeah, Ohio State guys,
let's be honest, they're usually good in the NFL. Ohio
State guys over deliver Michael Thomas Lattimore. Go look around

(01:08:57):
the NFL right now. A lot of Buckeyes they don't
have a Maybe I'm just recent memory, maybe it's confirmation bias,
but Ohio State top picks the bosses. They work a
lot of a lot of speed and a lot of talents. Yep.
Joy with news, Well that's the news. Thirdline news. If

(01:09:18):
you really listen to people carefully, sometimes you don't have
to say much to say everything. Matt Rules, the new
coach at Carolina. They signed Christian McCaffrey to a big
contract yesterday. Here was his quote. We want to be
a serious football place. We want to be a place

(01:09:40):
that is all about the game that too, Christian McCaffrey,
is he told you everything in that sentence they thought
about Cam Newton. Why did he choose those words specifically?
Why did Tom Brady say, going to Tampa, he liked
the warmth of the Buccaneer staff because it was missing

(01:10:02):
in New England. What is Matt Rule telling you in
that sentence his first sentence, we want to be a
serious football place. Cam wasn't serious enough. Cam was distracted.
Cam had a lot of interests. By the way, Teddy Bridgewater,
there were other quarterbacks on the market. Is the anti Cam.
He's not big, he doesn't run around, he doesn't have

(01:10:24):
a rocket arm. He just goes into places, gets the
playbook down in about forty eight hours, doesn't make any mistakes.
A complete and utter focused grown up. Sometimes people don't
have to say much to say everything. Cam's out of
the building. Bridgewater McCaffrey all about football in the building.

(01:10:44):
Matt Rules, known as a culture builder, serious football, all
football serious, didn't say much said everything. John Middlecoff, former
NFL scout, lives in the Bay Area. Raiders and the
Niners between the two of them have four first round picks.
Both have done a really good job with their early

(01:11:07):
picks in the last couple of drafts, he joins us. Next,
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when I chose about John Middlecoff in the Herd podcast network,
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next two to three weeks, John Middlecoff's podcast will be
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(01:11:50):
well sourced and sharp. Former NFL scout for one of
the great owners and gms now in the NFL, the
Philadelphia Eagles. John is now joining us. So you go
look at the Raiders draft and we all kind of
rolled our eyes at Mayok and Gruden and TV stars,
but in the end they went and got guys like
Renfro in the fifth round defensive lineman with ten sacks
in the fourth round. John, it looks like, at least

(01:12:12):
from my purview one year out, they won the draft.
Why well, I think two things. One, Mike Mayock is good.
I mean, we've had a front row seat to his
opinions for it felt like a couple of decades. We
all knew he knew what he was talking about. Most
of the guys. Remember he went out onto the limb
several years ago and he liked Khalil Mack, Morton Clowney yep.

(01:12:34):
When it seems normal now, but that was not the
case then, and he had several other ones that he
was pounding the table that were he didn't go with
the group think. But I also think, listen, they had
a good draft. When you have a bad team though
your play, you know, your young players play a lot,
so they benefited from that. Now you know, the rookie

(01:12:56):
running back Josh Jacobs is really really good and that
was a Mayock guy. Jonathan Abram their other first round safety,
but he only played one game and Cleveland Farrell was
kind of a disaster at fourth overall. But the rest
of their picks were really good. I think the key
for them moving forward Colin. They have a lot of
legitimate NFL players now, but to make the playoffs, you know,

(01:13:18):
they were seven to nine and they're kind of in
that no man's land. They need some stars. They need
a couple of blue chip guys. When they made the playoffs,
Jack del Rio second year, it was a Maori was
killing it, Crabtree was crushing, Khalil Mack, Colechiosemile, Rodney Hudson,
car was awesome. They had a lot of impact players
and that's kind of to me that they have a couple,

(01:13:40):
you know, Jacobs, the tight end, Darren Waller, but they
need to nail a wide receiver. They need to nail
a defensive player. Then maybe you'll see them. And especially
with this extra slot now with the another wild card,
maybe they're in the playoff mix. Yeah, they'll obviously go
some defensive players because they hit a couple of home
runs on the offensive side last year. The Niners have
two first round picks. They got rid of a defensive tackle,

(01:14:02):
gave him to the Colts so they could readdress that.
But they're already strong there. Many are speculating wide receiver.
But you know, my takeaway is they've they've kind of
addressed that in the last couple of drafts. Where do
you think the Niners go with their picks? Well, I
wrote down their first round picks since Lynch and Kyle
got here, and it's Solomon Thomas, Ruben, Foster, McGlinchey, and Bosa.

(01:14:23):
So they have gone big, physical guys. I mean three
of the four of those guys are on the line
of scrimmage, so unlike you know sometimes with an offensive coach,
they like, you know, the sexy pieces. Kyle is kind
of old school right for being this young, kind of
brilliant mind. He loves to run the ball, he loves
defensive lineman. So I think every mock draft you see it's, oh,

(01:14:47):
they're gonna take a wide receiver. I maybe they will
with thirty one, or maybe they trade back, but I
think at thirteen, especially with the depth of this draft,
they will go an impact player. Conic back Richard Sherman,
who's still awesome, is going into his last year of
his contract. Yeah, the other guy that started opposite him
in the Super Bowl was an undrafted free agent. So CJ. Henderson,

(01:15:09):
the corner that all my friends in the league say
he is by far the number two corner in this draft.
I could see them doing that. I could see them
taking one of the defensive tackles. I don't necessarily think
they're they're tied to a wide receiver at third team,
especially with Kyle Right. Look at how he schemes these
guys open. Stebo Samuel was a second round pick. Yeah.
His greatest asset, you know, is being able to take

(01:15:32):
offensive players in the second, third, fourth round and elevate
them to high level players. Yeah, this is great stuff.
John Middelkoff farmer scout, really laying it out smartly. So
I like Joe Burrow. I my comp is Tony Romo.
I think the Lebron Brady talk is ridiculous. I don't
think he's talented enough to overcome Cincinnati's dysfunction. I think
the Browns, Ravens, and Steelers defensive fronts are scary good

(01:15:56):
and only going to get better in this draft. How
do you have value eight Burrow is? I see him
as a good solid B plus prospect? Am I too low? Now?
I don't think you are. I mean his season in
a vacuum was remarkable. You know his statistics. Who knows
may never be broken. He accomplished everything possible. But when
you NFL teams don't necessarily go all in on oh

(01:16:18):
he won the highs and oh he was a national champions.
They break down the physical attributes, and I agree Tony Romo.
I'd even go a little more recent. I go Jimmy Garoppolo,
who was forever compared to Tony Romo. And if that's
what he is, I mean, yeah, but that's not you know,
Patrick Mahomes, that's not you know, Russell Wilson or hell,

(01:16:38):
you know, it might not even be Deshaun Watson. Who
is you know, I think sometimes gets overhyped a little
bit physical attributes or not Mahomes, But he's really good
because he has all these inequalities. But you hit on something.
Deshaun Watson dominated the moment he started playing, so you'd go, yeah,
he doesn't have the greatest physical attributes, but it's easy
to see why he still dominates because that's all he does.
Is where Joe Burrow, you know, he couldn't beat out

(01:16:59):
Dwayne have Skins. His first year there was bad again.
This year was great playing with Justin Jefferson, who who
a wide receiver coach told me, I don't know if
Justin Jefferson's going to be a great NFL player, but
he will not fail. And then the other guy, Chase
is gonna be a lock top ten pick. And then
the running back is going to be, you know, a
top you know, fifty sixty pick who's a stud. So
they had a lot of things going for him. Again,

(01:17:21):
Joe Burrow's good player, but think Tony Romo, Jimmy Garoppolo,
not to Tom Brady, Joe Montan. That's not even fair
to the kid, right. I can't believe people are throwing
that out there. I mean, that's just that's just that's
kind of insane to me. M I hear you think
TWA could be in for some rude awakenings in the NFL. Well,
I just think in twenty twenty, the days, the day

(01:17:42):
and ages of the Peyton Mannings, the rivers, the guys
that can't move are kind of over the offensive linemen.
This raft looks good, but for the last half decade
coming into the NFL have not been good. But the
defensive linemen have not stopped coming in at a really
high rate. A lot of impact players good plaint So
I think more than ever, you have to be mobile. Now.

(01:18:03):
I don't mean Lamar Jackson running now, that would be
nice if you can, but I just mean dmlel to move.
Look at all the young quarterbacks, Deshaun Mahomes, Jimmy Garoppolo,
Carson Wentz, all these guys can move, Dak Prescott and
move behind the line of scrimmage. Might deal with with
Tuah a little bit like Baker Mayfield. And I'm not

(01:18:24):
talking maturity, I'm talking on the field. They are not
great athletes. So when they try to and you saw
Tua get hurt because he's playing in the SEC that
has the best defensive lineman by faulty, and he can't
get away from him, any of them. So that's what
one thing Joe Burrow and Herbert have going for them.
They can really move, uh, you know, on the move
throwing the football where Tah he w When Nick Vosa

(01:18:48):
or Khalil Mack or some of these guys are chasing,
he's not gonna be able to get away. Yeah, And
like like and you I heard you talking about it.
You don't really change that mindset, Well you better change
because you're gonna get killed. So I I like Tuah.
I just wonder in this day and age. You know
his comp like Baker is Drew Brees. Are those type
players gonna work moving forward? I don't know. It's a

(01:19:09):
very fair I mean, I get the pushback finally three
minutes left. I don't get the criticism of Justin Herbert.
He's a little mechanical, smart, big arm moves. I see
a poor man's Trevor Lawrence hands, arm, whip angles. He's
got a little Carson Wentz. He can do multiple angles.
I don't get the criticism. I think he's undervalued. Am

(01:19:29):
I nuts? If you give me worst case, he's Josh Allen.
Best case he's Carson Wentz. I don't know who doesn't
want that. You know, he's a very similar prospect to
Josh Allen, except he was successful in college at a
high level. Yes, yeah, I saw him against Auburn, Utah, Washington,
or in Wisconsin in the four best teams he played.

(01:19:51):
He played well in all four games. Yeah, you're talking
you're talking high character smart in NFL scouch to me
use the term effortless arm absolute hose. So you know
you're talking about a young player with a lot of
experience that played from day one showing up at Oregon.
This is not you know, Texas State or something. I mean,

(01:20:11):
it's a big time program. They're playing everyone. To me,
the last game proved a lot. Yeah. Against Wisconsin. He
was not playing with the four Bama wide receivers at
the LSU wide receiver. He wasn't playing with NFL wide receivers.
He carried that team against Wisconsin. Who Jim Leonard, who
was one of the highly respected guys in college and
pro football, the defensive coordinator. Wisconsin's probably a top ten

(01:20:33):
run program right now in America. He wouldn't let him lose.
He would not let him lose. And it was with
his feet. But again like he can. We've seen him
make the throws with his arm. I'm a big Justin
Herbert guy. I mechanical and robotics, but you can. That's
why NFL assistant coaches make a million dollars. Head coaches
make seven eight. Coach him up, Yeah, you and I are.

(01:20:54):
I just said this this morning. I looked at Justin Herbert.
The four defenses that had NFL players that he played
were Washington, Auburn, Utah, and Wisconsin. And he is a play.
Auburn made a play offensively. Bo Nicks completes the ball
in the end zone from going four and oh he
played well. He had one pick against those four defenses,

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Chris Peterson's defense, the Auburn defense, which we know is good,
the Utah defense, which they have like four NFL players.
I don't get the criticism on him. If I'm the Chargers,
I move up and get him. If I'm min and
I like Tah, but there is I I don't get it.
I think sometimes we nitpick twenty two year old kids
to death. John middle Coop's his name. He's a former scout.

(01:21:38):
His podcast is three and out on the Herd podcast Network.
Check it out. They will be gold for the next
ten to fourteen days. Thanks buddy, Thanks Colin. Have a
good day. You bet? Yeah. I if you miss my
mock draft, can we John, isn't possible to give the
kids on the podcast today? Can we give them? Can

(01:22:00):
we give them my mock draft? It was tasty. I'm
not gonna lie. It was really tasty. Yeah, it is
my show. I am gonna dominate the podcast to put
out whatever I want. All right. Herm Edwards my buddy.
I can't wait to talk to Herm's great so herms,
A college guy. He's being an NFL guy. He used

(01:22:21):
to work the draft guy. He's done. He's really done
well at Arizona State. He has been a remarkable story
and so just a good guy and a fun listen.
He's around the corner as well. Our three. We're in
la beautiful day here the Herd. Be sure to catch
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We are filling these shows and having so much fun.
This is the Herd, wherever you may be and however
you may be listening. I heard Radio, Fox, Sports Radio
and FS one. I just knocked down a banana. I've
had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I'm years old again.
We don't have like a food service situation here, so
I make my own. I make my own stuff. At

(01:23:06):
five thirty in the morning, I can't see anything in
my house. I don't want to wake everybody up, So
I'm just making like peanut butter and jelly sandwich. And
now I gotta be honest with you. I feel like
I'm nine years old again. But it's okay. Joy Taylor
is joining me. Herm Edwards should be noted. Herm Edwards
and his Arizona State team gave Justin Herbert fits, so
they were the Pac twelve defense that figured out Justin

(01:23:27):
Herbert and Herbert struggled big time against Herm Edwards defense.
And the one thing Herm has done since he arrived
at Arizona State, He's made that defense legit without a
lot of NFL players, so Herm can coach his butt off,
and he gave Justin Herbert a nightmare game in Tempe.
It was one of the more entertaining games in the

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Pac twelve season this year. He'll be joining us in
fifteen minutes, and Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how
are you making it through the whole virus? And think
the weather's now gotten very very good? Yeah, it's really
nice out today. I'm good. I'm good during the week.
I told you, my schedule hasn't really changed much. Only
difference is that I'm in my living room area as
opposed to being, you know, at the studio with you.
But I'm I'm good. Yeah, keeping a little schedule, staying busy.

(01:24:11):
My son has never been happier. My son's he's a coder,
and he's just dad. He goes I am doing, he
goes I am. He goes out for a walk every day,
maybe a little hot with mom. You know, they'll go
grab some food at some restaurant, wait in line. But
it is on the West Coast anyway, We're not living
in the kind of the same sensibility of New York. Yeah,
it's not quite as intense. And we also have big

(01:24:33):
states with fewer people. In California, my neighbors, people move
in social distancing. Everybody's standing away from everybody. Everybody's got masks,
but it's gonna be hard to keep people indoors. People
in California they moved here because they're they recreate. They
like to move, they like the jog, they like to run.
The weather is getting good, so yesterday there was a
few more people out. They were all they're really smart.
Everybody stays their distance, everybody walks to the different side

(01:24:56):
of the road. You know, everybody's got masks. But you know,
this is new normal. And I'll tell you something. In
my grocery store, Joy, I wear a mask. I'm okay
with it. It's I'm fine with it. It just we're
gonna wear masks for the next six months to a year,
and probably if we go back to games, you'll wear
a mask, it'll have your team logo. Somebody will start
designing those merchandise. That's our new normal. I'm totally okay

(01:25:18):
with it. You know, things change. Yeah, you have to adjust.
As long as we're doing everything we can to be
smart and healthy and you know, be mindful of others.
Like you said, if you see someone walking on the sidewalk,
just you know, walk over a couple of feet. Yeah,
don't be a jerk. Just for both of you. It's
not just for you. Yeah, So it is interesting. We
just had John middlecoff on the most picks in the

(01:25:39):
draft of the Dolphins. They have fourteen picks. The Miami
Dolphins are gonna have a very good draft. Okay, they
had a lot of cap space, they had a very
good free agent situation. They got Byron Jones van Noy.
So Miami is gonna win the draft because they're gonna
have fourteen picks and they're gonna get on a bunch
of them are early. So Miami's going to win the draft.

(01:26:00):
The Raiders won last year's draft. Some of it is
because they drafted their butt off. Some of it is
because they're bad and could play guys. But this is
what's interesting. So during Super Bowl week I had a
dinner with an NFL exec and he said, oh my god,
you just don't understand. You got to deal with the owner.
You gotta deal with players calling you at three in

(01:26:21):
the morning. I gotta deal with agents, he said, it
would just be nice to watch tape. He goes, But
when you're a general manager in the NFL, it is
you are the principal of a high school. You gotta
deal with the students. You gotta deal with the coaches,
you gotta deal you get the phone calls in the
middle of the night. So general managers, this is the
most underrated part about being a general manager. You got

(01:26:42):
to deal with a billionaire owner and they're impatient, and
their mavericks and they think they know it. All your
babies and they often have multiple kids you're dealing with,
and it's hard to be a general manager. You get
the phone calls. I mean, you would not believe. What
general managers have told me they deal with is a
you're psychologist, you're a therapist, you're a scout, you're a

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CEO and sometimes you get calls and the owners in
a bad mood. Mike Mayhock didn't have to deal with that.
For the last six seven years. Mike Mayhock just watched film.
He was the NFL Networks, NFLGM, he was their scout guy.
And this is what happened with Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll's

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at USC, so he's living and recruiting all these players,
and so Pete gets a job with the Seattle Seahawks,
and Pete Carroll's first three drafts he aced because he
knew all these players. He ended up getting guys like
Malcolm Smith and the seventh round who became a Super
Bowl MVP. In the seventh round j R. Sweezy seventh

(01:27:47):
round started. He got Russell Wilson in the third round.
He got kJ Wright in the fourth, Richard Sherman in
the fifth, Cam Chancellor in the fifth. Pete's first three
drafts are the stuff legends are made of. Now since
then he's had more whiffs. He hasn't been able to
get those six round stars, although they did a good
job at running back with the Carlson the kid from

(01:28:08):
Oklahoma State. But the point being is Pete's proximity to
the college game and all those recruits. I mean, he
went out, he recruited Bruce Irvin. You know, he saw
a tape of Russell Wilson's he you know, he coached
against Richard Sherman. That's why he knew him at Stanford.
It's a huge edge. We'll think about Mike Mayock of

(01:28:29):
the Raiders. He was essentially a general manager for the
NFL network. He was their scout guy. That's what he did.
But he didn't have to get the phone calls at
three in the morning, didn't have to deal with a
needy owner and the owner's kids, and a coaching staff
that he had to fire three years in, and agents
and free agents, and he didn't have to deal with

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any of it. So Mayock walks into the NFL with
all these years of experience and total utter focus on tape,
and he goes out last year and the Raiders were
able to get a receiver in the fifth round who
was a home run hunter infro, a tight end in
the fourth round who was the highest gritted rookie tight

(01:29:10):
end according to Pro Football Focus. A defensive end in
the fourth round that had ten sacks, the second most
by a rookie the Trey von Mullin in the second round.
Josh Jacobs was a home run late in the first round.
People thought, I'm not sure if that's a good move.
So it is. I think, you know, Bill Belichick is
very good acquiring NFL players. But Bill Belichick whiffs a

(01:29:34):
lot in the draft. Why because on Saturday night, Bill
Belichick's not watching Clemson against Boston College. He's not watching
Oregon and Arizona State Mike Mayock. That's all he did
for several years. And I do think now, I think
some of that advantage will wear off a little bit,
but I think it's a real thing. I think you
can look at guys who are in the college space,

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they go to the NFL in the first few years.
I've never looked at Nick Saban's first couple of drafts
for Miami. My guess is they'd be pretty good. Go
look at Jimmy Johnson was a college coach, goes to
the NFL engineer's trades. Go look at Jimmy Johnson's first
several drafts of the Dallas Cowboys. He had all that
college information, he took it to the NFL. He nails

(01:30:16):
his drafts so I didn't look at Sabans this morning.
We probably should. His first two drafts with Miami, You're
probably pretty good. He was at LSU, he knew all
those players. I did think it was interesting. Peter King's column.
Peter King's column, he had a small nugget nugget in
his weekly column for NBC. He said the Patriots love

(01:30:37):
Justin Herbert, but probably not enough to trade up for him.
A rival general manager told Peter King, I would like
to say one thing about Justin Herbert. If you do
a deep dive on the Oregon program, Mario crystal Ball
is the coach for a couple of years. Mario's an
offensive lineman. That's he's Less Miles, very glib, very verbal,

(01:31:02):
very good recruiter, good in the room, offensive lineman. What
do they do when they become head coaches. They're not
great passing game coordinators. They're very good running game guys.
If you go look at Les Miles at LSU, he
could never get the passing game to be sophisticated. Oregon
with Justin Herbert had the eight most pass attempts in

(01:31:25):
the PAC twelve. With Justin Herbert. Why because Mario crystal
Ball has said, power football, dominant power of football. He
used to coach under Saban power football. So when I
talk to my NFL guys about Oregon, they say, listen,
we don't love the offense. It doesn't look like an
NFL offense. The passing game is not sophisticated. So when

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people nitpicked Justin Herbert, all I know the four times
I saw him against the four best teams, he was
good in all of them. He was good against Auburn,
he was good against Washington, he was good against Utah,
you know, and that and good against Wisconsin through one
pick in four games. And there's a lot of NFL
guys on that Utah defense, the Auburn defense, Wisconsin defense

(01:32:10):
has an unbelievable linebacker, and the Washington defense. So I
think sometimes we blame the player. I'm not blaming Mario
crystal Ball. I think he succeeded, but they had the
eighth most pass attempts with Justin Herbert, and my scouts
and my executives didn't like Oregon's offense. They don't think
it looks like an NFL offense. I think he's undervalued.

(01:32:30):
We'll talk to HERM Edwards. T. J. Hushman Zat has
been working him out. I mean, listen to how glowing
his discussion is on Justin Herbert Man physically if something
I've never seen before, He's big in his arm is
just unbelievable. You would have to see it. You can't
even put it. Like I played. I've been around all

(01:32:51):
the best quarterbacks. I've never seen anybody physically throw the
ball like he does. Nobody Herm Edwards coached against him
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Herm Edwards, the Arizona State Sun Deevil's head coach. They

(01:33:56):
had eight wins last year. It was a most games
they'd won in six years. Herms an interesting cat, great
motivational speaker, had a lot of success with the New
York Jets. They had three playoff appearances. He went to
Kansas City, first coach in the franchise history of Kansas
City to make the playoffs in his initial season. He
was a former player in the Pac twelve. I was

(01:34:18):
always stunned. I remember when he took the job and
I had friends inside the athletic department. I'm like, does
Herm he hasn't been around the college game. I mean,
does he have an understanding of the recruiting and But
it's funny Pete Carroll when he came to USC I
remember being on a plane in Mexico with a buddy

(01:34:40):
and we were laughing at the move where like they
just had Paul Hackett. He was an NFL guy well,
why are they going after NFL guys? I didn't think
Pete Carroll was gonna make it, And I said, does
he know I how to recruit? He's out in the
East Coast. Her Meda Words was out in the East
Coast and he's been. He's really been quite a success
for Arizona State. He's very good in a room. The

(01:35:01):
players love him. He's built a really, really good recruiting staff.
They've rebuilt the stadium in Tempe, and Herm Edwards is
joining me. There are a few people I've ever worked
with that have left more of an imprint, kind of
an indelible imprint on watching him lead, watching him talk.
He's an entertainer, and this is one of the reasons

(01:35:22):
Arizona States recruiting has been unbelievable. By the way, you
know we're talking about all these quarterbacks. They got a
kid named Jaden Daniels who played last year as a
true freshman. All folks about two years Jaden Daniels, Well,
not this trap, but two drafts from that as a
true junior, Jaden Daniels maybe the number one player picked.
By the way, Herm is a defensive guy. How did

(01:35:44):
you convince an unbelievable quarterback to come to your defensive
and running program. How'd you do that? Well, this is
where you have to make him understand that is any
head coach, he's only as good as a quarterback he has. Hey,
there's this guy that just left um New England. You

(01:36:04):
know that Captain America guy. Yeah, his coach is a
defensive guys. Right. You once told me, Herm, you said,
I remember this. We were at ESPN together and you said, Colin,
if I'd had a healthy quarterback, I wouldn't be broadcasting
sitting next to you. I'd be in the league. You
you had a lot of success. You know. It's funny
because here comes the draft and I like Joe Burrow.

(01:36:28):
He's a nice player. But good god, the LSU team
was loaded. I like Tooa, but there's the injury. But
I want to talk about Justin Herbert. You faced him
twice and you gave him fits Boy and Tempe. It
was a mess for him. You intercepted him four times
in two games. You won one, you lost one. But
let's go back to this, Herm. You brought NFL concepts

(01:36:50):
to the college game at Arizona State. What did you
throw at justin Herbert that both times confused him. Well,
I think you know all quarterbacks, their ability to read
your mail before pre snap helps them. Um, we try
to disguise coverage on him, gave him some different looks

(01:37:13):
up front, forced him in some forced him into some
known downs too as well. Colins, you know when when
I think the known downs put him in position where
he has to throw it something. Yeah, and you know
what we didn't when we were fortunate enough early in
the games, we brought pressure and that got him uncomfortable

(01:37:34):
a little bit. I think the guy has a tremendous
skill set. He's big, he's strong and athletic. I thought
we saw his athleticism in the Rose Walls when he ran.
You know, people didn't know he can run that good.
He can run, he can avoid, got a strong arm,
you know. But but the Colin you know this, and
I've said this many a time when I was on
your show's back up and the worldwide leaders, that both

(01:37:56):
quarterbacks are system meeting ninety percent up in the lead. Yeah,
And I think wherever these guys go, whether it's Joe Pearl,
whether his love with he's just Herbert with his two
you know what what are the are the coordinators or
the quarterback coach. You're willing to build a system around
the kids skill set, because if they're not, they're gonna fail.

(01:38:16):
The prime example, say what you want is the guy
that plays for the Rams. Now, all of a sudden,
the skill set and the development of that guy was
built around what he could do. Well. Yeah, his first
couple of years, everybody said this guy's a buck. Well,
all of a sudden he comes in there and he

(01:38:37):
changed his offense a little bit around what this guy
could do. Pretty good quarterback, all right, Yeah he throws that.
Jared Goff throws a course, a very beautiful, beautiful ball.
He's got a lot of Matt Ryan qualities. He throws
an incredibly catchable ball, probably a better long ball than
Matt Ryan has. And he's become a very very good quarterback.
So when you look at this draft, you were a
defensive guy. You were a very good corner in the

(01:38:59):
NFL on college. So that would lead me to believe,
boy Herm, if he was running a franchise the Jets
and the Chiefs, he would know defensive guys. But then
I think you faced offensive guys, so maybe you're better
at knowing offensive guys. When you were with the Chiefs
and the Jets, what did you feel most comfortable drafting? Well,

(01:39:22):
I was kind of in a unique position because I
came into league as a part time coach, but a scout,
so I learned how to evaluate players. And the first
thing I did I can remember going to training camp
with the Chiefs my first time there. Howard mud was
the offensive line coach. Great offensive line, yeah, And I
knew enough about football the skilled positions, but really didn't

(01:39:45):
know a lot about offensive line play. And so I
sat at night in his meetings with the offensive line
and learned how he coached them because I wanted to
know how do these guys play right? And so I
learned positions by my ability to sit in the room,
was listened to the coaches coach him. So then when
they went on the field, I said, this is what
he's teaching this guy right, and figure that kind of

(01:40:08):
stuff out. So for me, when when I look at
the draft and I was in a position coach then
became a head coach, I had a pretty good idea
of the positions. Always sat in the quarterbacks room. You
gotta sit in the quarterbacks rooms. I mean that's important
when when the seasons are you're in the quarterbacks room,
I mean you're kind of listening to the quarterback and
you're kind of talking to him from a defensive side

(01:40:31):
of it. Ay, no different than what I do, Jay,
And I said Jade, when they do this, when they
give you this look, this is what's about to happen. Right,
And so because you and a quarterback are connected together, Well,
if I'm a defensive guy and I can sit in
the quarterback's room early in the week after I've looked
at the tape, you know, with the coordinator as well,

(01:40:51):
and give him, give him some giving some some some
information from a defensive coaches eye on what the problem
is and what he does to present a problem to
the defense as well. Herm Edwards is joining us. So
you look at Tua and it's easy to say, well,
he got hurt in college, you'll get hurt in the

(01:41:12):
pros like Sam Bradford. But I would say this, Patrick
Mahomes had a risk surgery in college acl joint issue,
got knocked out of a game. He's been hurt in
the NFL. Carson Wentz hurt in college, hurt in the NFL,
if a guy's got talent, Drew Brees, Dolphins passed on him,
Saints didn't, he had injuries. I think Tua is draftable

(01:41:33):
and I like him. Would you be concerned making him
your franchise quarterback if you were a Miami or the
Chargers's it's the eye of the beholder, and you make
some great points there. You know, some players come in
that they have an injury record, and some guys go
they get concerned about injuries. I think the type of

(01:41:53):
injury a lot of times they have something to do
with it. But with today and modern medicine and the
way these physicians can do things, I mean it's like,
okay's young guy, arrows are pointing up. He's still young,
and all those things go in the factory and let
me tell them if you don't have a quarterback. But
if you don't have one, let me tell you though

(01:42:14):
you're going, hey, we ain't got a guy, and I did.
And if this guy's coming in with a little injury,
he's better than the guys we've got right now. Yeah,
I mean, look at Arizona State. You land Jaden Daniels
and it's changed your program. I mean it just the
bottom line is when I watch you play, you are
You've always been good defensively, but the ability now to

(01:42:35):
win nine or ten games is gonna be because you've
found the right quarterback who's a remarkably poised player for
nineteen years old. The kid is just it's just incredible
how good he is. I think he is the next
I honestly believe this next year it's gonna be Trevor
Lawrence at Clemson and justin Fields Ohio State. I think
the following year your quarterback is gonna be the number

(01:42:57):
one potentially. Do you think he has that talent? Well, talent,
there's no doubt, and he's a hard worker. I think
with with with Zach Hill now running this new offense,
I think it's going to fit a lot of things
he can do well. Uh you know that that boys
you stayed offense or something, and I like the say
run the ball and give you a lot of different formations,
personnel groups. That's all NFL set and that's what guys want.

(01:43:20):
Make you go under center some I mean, all those
things occur, but it's just not only on the quarterback,
you know, because those guys are only good as the
guys that protect him, and you've got to have a
good offensive line if you're gonna have if if you're
gonna win, at ain't left and you know, if that's something,
will continue to trying to build around here. But if
we can protect him, Um, this kid's got a champ

(01:43:43):
to be really good, there's no doubt. So when you
look at players in a draft, like I can look
at a Joe Burrow, but he played with so many
great play talented. Yeah, and so go back to your
Chiefs and Jets days, herm when you were drafting. Now,
Rich McKay, you and I both know Rich McKay former
Tampa Bay and rich Ust always tell me when I
covered him in Tampa and he built that Super Bowl

(01:44:05):
team down in Tampa. He said, Listen, I like guys
who came from big programs that were on national TV
games with ninety eight thousand in a stadium, and they
were great in big games because that's the NFL. It's pressure.
When you were with the Jets, I think LSU guys
usually make it in the NFL. They've played in so
many big games. Does it worry you a little though,

(01:44:26):
that Burrow played with nine NFL guys. I mean he
and he didn't pop until his senior year with all
those guys. Does that concern you, Yeah, I think that
can concern some guys. But I look at the position
this way. First of all, is he a leader that

(01:44:47):
checks the box? He's a leader in big moments on
the road when he has to throw the ball and
everybody knows it and the ACCL Does he move the team?
I learned this from from Joe Montana. You know, I
played against Joe in the league and Joe came to
Kansas City there with Marcus Allen, those guys, we made

(01:45:09):
our run that year. He gets knocked out against the
Bills in the championship game. So I'm sitting going to
practice with Joe and we're just talking and the conversation
comes up and said, what kind of team is this?
And I said, Joe got a pretty good football team.
He said, Kensey's a good football team. He said, you know,
he said, you know, good quarterbacks win four games for you.

(01:45:32):
I looked at him and I said, what he said?
They went four games a year and what are you
talking about? He says, well, you know, in the fourth
quarter when you're on the road and you know you're
down they find a way to bring the team back
to the score and you win. And I looked at
him and I and he I never thought of it
that way, But that's what they do in the moments

(01:45:54):
when you got to make the play, regardless of the circumstances,
regardless of the cast you have around you. Does he
make the play? Can't do it? And to me, that's
the sign of a good quarterback. If you look at
these NFL quarterbacks, Ay something, now, Colin, if you got
if you got Aaron Rodgers, if you're on the road

(01:46:15):
and he's got one possession left, you probably feel pretty
good about him having an opportunity to go down to
win the game, right, Yeah, him and Russell Wilson and yeah, yeah,
we know who they are. They do it, and it's
the end of the season, in sixteen games, it's going
to be a tight game, will you read score? They
do it. That's a separation, that's a separate, the great one. Yeah,

(01:46:40):
it's you know, it's so funny. In this league. The
average game is decided by four points. I mean, it's
it's it's crazy. And so I mean I can go
back to Super Bowls. I mean, Brady and Russell Wilson
are in a game, it's one player that decides it.
Go back to Brady in the Super Bowl against Atlanta,
Edelman's catch one. I mean, it's it is remarkable. The
difference between being an NFL head coach and having to

(01:47:03):
end up being an NFL commentator is And you had
Chad Pennington, Buddy got hurt. Now finally you have worked
at the NFL level, and you've worked as a commentator
and a motivational speaker, and you work at the college
level with all this information. At the college level, we
know that when Pete went Pete Carroll went college to

(01:47:24):
pro herm, he had three great drafts because he knew
all the players. Mike Mayock of the Raiders, he watched
all these players in college, goes to the Raiders, he
has a great draft Herm. I could argue after this year,
two years, you could go back to the NFL and
you would know this college footprint and all these players
because you recruited him. Is there a possibility you'd go

(01:47:47):
back to pro football? No? Is it? This is my
last stand right here. I'm going to build a program
and hopefully we can win the Pac twelve and hopefully
win a roll ball and then hand it over to
somebody else A column. I'm having the blast. I missed
my players at this point in time, you know. Uh.

(01:48:09):
And the fact that with the virus, and look as
we're talking, I can't say enough about all the first responders,
all the medical folks all over the country, all the
people that that that are putting their lives in harm's
way trying to save those that that have caught the virus,
you know, and it's it's it's remarkable to see when

(01:48:31):
you turn to television on and watch all these doctors
and just people that just continue to to go into
buildings knowing, you know what, I could come out with
the virus. Those are the heroes, column. Yeah, those those
are truly the hero So I love that you're having
a good time. So so you even liked the recruiting.
Oh yeah, look, come on, come on. You know that's

(01:48:54):
that's really really good fun, right. You know when when
when you're talking to the young people, I like meeting
the parents and the guardians of a lot of these
young men because you find out a lot about the family. Yeah,
you know, and a lot of those homes are like
my home, you know, I look out him, and I go, hey,
I get it. I know where to come from. I
get it. I understand this. Did you did you her?

(01:49:16):
Did you have a lot growing up or not much?
Not much? I mean football was my way out. Yeah.
I knew being an athlete was gonna give me an
opportunity to go to college. I was the first graduate
out of our you know, out of our family. I
mean my mom was a German war bride, and my
father joined the army when he was seventeen years old.
You know, he fought in the World War Two and
the Korean War. Yeah, football got you out. You went

(01:49:37):
to cal didn't you? Where you go? I went to
cow Home, Mike, you know, right out of high school.
All those hippies and herm Edwards. Oh my god, can
you imagine that going during the nineteen seventy two I
went up there and went, what is just like playing boy? Yeah?
It was boy. That was the that was the height
of it. It was nothing but marijuana and hippies. Yeah.

(01:49:59):
I grew up in a great era. You're talking about
the Civil rights movement. Yeah, you know you're I tell
the story. I told you this story. You know, at
thirteen years old, you know that Monterey pop pumple they
had under the Monterey area. Yeah, look, my baby Senter
took me to that thing and wasn't supposed to be gone.
And I thought Jimmy Hendrick burn to get tark. I

(01:50:19):
became a Jimmy Hendricks fan after that death over that
nineteen nineteen sixty eight and I'm like, who is this guy,
Jimmy Hendricks, I asked me. Watched Jimmy burn to get
tar on stage. Wow, that's playing the band college. A
lot of things that happened to me in my life.
But I actually called Jimmy. I said, I've seen Jimmy live. God,

(01:50:42):
You've had a full life, my friend. I've been I've
been very fortunate. I've been blessed. A lot of people
helped me along the way. I'm gonna tell you something.
You're a good friend, and you know this, and you
helped me. I mean when I when I when I
went to work for the Worldwide Leader. You know, watching
how you work and how organized you were in discipline

(01:51:03):
and how you gathered your thoughts. I mean I watched
all that. You know. I'm a I'm a guy who
always search for knowledge, and you watch people in certain
professions and you you gain knowledge from them, and you know,
you guys helped me a lot. And I love coming
on your show in the morning, getting you all fired up. Man,
that was a lot of fun too. You know, well
her and my room. I'm might you know where my

(01:51:24):
daughter goes to school down to day as shoe and um,
I just I'm so high proud. But it's just been
an amazing story and continued success. And I love having
you on occasionally and go Devil's thank you, bro, God
bless you man. Stay stay all right. Her medwords thirteen
years old. Watch Jimmy Hendricks burn it on stage. How
about that? That's a that's a full life right there.

(01:51:45):
That guy has had a full life. What's that saying,
Get busy living or get busy dying? I mean herm
has got busy living his stories all it's one of
the great motivational speakers. I've seen him on stage some
of you have. You can YouTube it. He's really good.
Joined the news, Turn on the news. This is the

(01:52:06):
herd Line News. Well, the future of the NBA season
is still up in the air, and players are trying
to stay in shape in case play resumes. But a
lot of them don't have a way to play basketball
right now, and Jason Tatum even admitted that he hasn't
been able to touch a basketball since his last NBA
game because of the cold and rainy weather in Boston
right now. That was March tenth, so a little over

(01:52:29):
a month ago since Jason Tatum has been able to
do any sort of basketball activity. Janna Sansa Dukompa also
said he doesn't have access to a hoop with the
practice facilities closed. You know, saw stuff. Curry putting up
a basket at his house took him five hours to
put it up. So NBA guys are having a little
trouble of being able to stay in basketball shape at

(01:52:51):
least and get any shooting in. It's it's not surprising though,
Like I mean, you don't really if you don't have
a compound, or you live in a space where you
have a big house and you know a driveway or garage,
or you have the ability to put a gym in
your house, I mean, why would you you're at the
practice facility all day, you're traveling. It's it's it's not

(01:53:12):
really something that isn't necessary to have in your house
because no one could have expected this. So it's it's
really not surprising to me that a lot of guys
aren't able to get work in Where would you do it? No,
I mean veteran players obviously have more money. They have
probably you know, studios and workout gyms. But no, I
mean this is this is a reality. Is when these
leagues get to go ahead from the Feds that they

(01:53:36):
can do it, you got to have at least I
mean I would I would think you'd have to have
a fifteen days of training minimum. I mean, think about
baseball joy like pitchers. So let's say in fifteen to
twenty thirty days, you know, May fifteenth, Baseball gets to
go ahead, Well, you have to have another spring training.
I mean, would you everybody have a batting cage at home? So,
I mean baseball hasn't even started their season. I don't

(01:53:59):
know how baseball is going to do it now. NBA
hockey can go right into playoffs. But no, I mean
this is this is why veteran players that have home
gyms and home workout facilities huge huge edge for the
Lebron James crowd in the in the league, right, and
you're just going to have to have a couple of
weeks and exhibition games to get everybody at least moving

(01:54:19):
again and get their bodies into a space where they
feel comfortable playing, you know, playoff basketball. So the Lions
have said they're not interested in moving off of Matthew Stafford,
but that doesn't necessarily mean they won't draft a quarterback
this year. They've reportedly had some conversations about trading down
from the third spot, but Mike Garoffolo is adding that
Detroit has also had multiple teleconferences with top quarterback prospects,

(01:54:41):
including to and Justin Herbert, And that could just be
you know, doing your due diligence and you know, taking
the opportunity to talk to them either way, getting a
feel for them. But I don't know, I have I
have this kind of lingering feeling that there's going to
be a couple really dramatic moves. You know, there's there's
not that many of the top top guys, and there's

(01:55:03):
more teams that could use a quarterback than there are
quarterbacks in that space, which could actually bump up some
of the second tier guys that are available in this draft.
Like the Patriots have been in the conversation about making
a dramatic move. If the Lions don't stay in that spot,
that could be an available spot for another team to
move up if it's not the Dolphins. So I think

(01:55:24):
this draft is actually going to be one of the
more dramatic drafts as far as trades and big moves.
I can't. I cannot wait. We're basically a little more
than a week away. I cannot wait for it. This
is like your holiday any oh no, no, no no.
I will not move from a television set for days.
I just absolutely love the NFL Draft. So finally, John

(01:55:45):
Krasinski and David Ortiz are giving back to some medical
workers in Boston. On his online show Some Good News,
Krasinski was speaking with five members of the coronavirus unit
at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, and Ortiz then made
a surprise appearance on the show and announced that the
Red Sox Organization will be donating four tickets for life

(01:56:07):
to be shared by the medical staff there. And then
five workers were taken in the quote most sanitized duck
boat in America to Fenway Park, where they each throughout
a ceremonimonial first pitch and ran the basses, and then
a thank you. Message was played on the JumboTron featuring
the Boston Mayor, Massachusets Governor, and Red Sox players clapping
and sharing. So really nice job out of Krasinski and

(01:56:28):
David Ortiz and the Red Sox organization giving back to
the medical professionals there in Boston working and fighting the coronavirus.
And yeah, I thought it was a nice, nice story there,
and thank you against out all of the doctors and
nurses and medical workers who are out there helping all
of us who appreciate you. We certainly do. Joey Taylor
with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for

(01:56:50):
stopping by Birdline yesterday. Christian McCaffrey, one of the most
versatile NFL players, got a massive contract. He's not only
arguably the best running back in the league, one of
the better receivers. He's really a unique versatile player of
all you know of the guys out there, and we thought, well,
it's amazing how many people in sports global sports right

(01:57:11):
now can do two things at a high level, are versatile,
Hall of fame and best for last. Coming up next,
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(01:57:34):
the action begins with Enter John Cena at eight Eastern,
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WWE in primetime tonight on FS one and the Fox
Sports Act. All Right, So Christian McCaffrey signed a massive
contract joy and he had last year first player in
NFL history to have twenty five hundred rushing yards in

(01:57:56):
twenty five hundred receiving yards in his first three seasons.
I've often called Lebron the Swiss Army Knights of the NBA.
He can do everything well. Maybe not the score that
MJ was, but Lebron does more things well than anybody.
McCaffrey is absurdly versatile. Punts, kicks, catch run, I mean,
he can really do it all. And we thought we would,

(01:58:16):
we would put together six or seven of the most
versatile athletes in the world, and it's remarkable. They're multiple talents.
Are you ready for this? Yes? Right? Number one Manny Pacchio. So,
Manny Pachio has won eight division World Championships, twelve different
titles eight divisions. He's also a singer, Joy. He has

(01:58:40):
released three albums and two other singles not on an album.
And oh yes, he's currently a Philippine senator serving a
six year term until twenty twenty two. So he's the
most accomplished fighter, a singer with albums, and a senator
in the Philippines. That's called versatility. How about show Hey

(01:59:04):
Otani of the Angels. He is a pitcher for them,
and he's a designated hitter for the Los Angeles Angels.
He joined Babe Ruth. Yes, that's how far you have
to go back. Babe Ruth is the only player in
Major League Baseball history with ten pitching appearances and twenty
home runs in a single season. That's incredible, right, we

(01:59:27):
get that. That's incredible. I would say Kyler Murray, who
I think is the best athlete in the NFL. So
he was a top ten pick in the Major League draft,
and he was the number one pick in the NFL draft.
And you can tell me how great Lebron is. Lebron
played high school football, didn't even play college football. This
kid was a top ten pick in both the NFL

(01:59:47):
and Major League Baseball, and the A's, for the record,
still retain his rights if he ever wants to go
back to baseball, so he is a He's the best
athlete in the NFL. How about Portland's own Damian Lillard,
not only a five time All Star, one of the
great shot makers in the last ten years in the NBA.
Have he you need a bucket? They're not a lot

(02:00:08):
of guys Damian Lillard is behind, but he goes also
like a legitimate hip hop artist by the name of Dolla. Um,
I'm gonna give you a sample. A lot of guys
think they're hip hop artists. No, he is and sells
albums and it's actually really good. I'd take it easy,

(02:00:29):
pretending a lot of foreign talk with ringing up the
seat back. I'm leaning all in the robo, make a
lot of tips. Life is a game of Pokai out
cent a shot from love David Bank, I got money,
many Ranny celebrities playing rich. Just a bunch of Jackie
out and you know what you mean that you see me?

(02:00:50):
He's really good. By the way, He's got two songs
with over five million listens on Spotify. How about the
Rock He's amazing, right, He's an American success story football
player on the ninety one National championship team at the
University Miami Hurricanes. Right, he's one of the great wrestlers
in the history of the sport. I mean, Hulk Covid
in the Rock are about as big as anybody in

(02:01:10):
the history of the sport. And now he's a movie star.
He was a ten time world champ. Now he's a
movie star. His movies have made eleven billion dollars. But
perhaps the most impressive is Justin Tucker, the Baltimore Ravens
kicker will be a first ballot Hall of Fame kicker.

(02:01:31):
He's unbelievable, most accurate place kicker in NFL history. He
is also, if you didn't know this, an opera Singerparadi

(02:02:17):
couldn't kick field goals. I mean, I like Lamar Jackson.
That is actually Justin Tucker sings in commercials, won an
NFL Talent Show. It's incredible. He's a world class opera singer.
Isn't that unbelievable? I didn't know that. It's like that's
like that wasn't like a stick a world class opera singer.

(02:02:40):
So there you go. And I think Lebron's talented. Do
you have any secret talents? I don't. This is it.
I mean, I don't know. I am, as you know, Joy,
an occasional magician. Yeah you are. You are my my
Instagram page. I have some rudimentary tricks of the profession.

(02:03:00):
I think they're very impressive. But I want to think
herm Edwards, Andrew Worth, Peter Schreger, and John Middlecoff. Today
my mock draft will put that as well on the archive.
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(02:03:22):
where a lot of advertisers, let's be honest, not a
lot of stuff's open. They can't sell stuff, so they'd
love to be on the show. But slowly but surely,
we've got a couple of them coming back. And I
went for a walk yesterday in my small little town
in Los Angeles and everybody was doing their social spacing
and everybody had masks. But the weather's warming up around
the country. There's some really positive signs going forward, and

(02:03:45):
I think we have to have tough conversations right now
about pivoting back into the economy. We have to have
an economy. We can't wait for a vaccine to go
back to work. It's not going to work that way.
You'll have you know, seventy five percent unemployment as it is,
we're probably going to be near ten percent unemployment, which
is well beyond even a mild recession. That's a that's
almost depression level. So we got to get the economy going.

(02:04:09):
And it's yesterday. You're going for walks as well. I
noticed yesterday people had a little It was warmer in California.
People had a little there was more positivity. I heard
more laughing. People were just happy to be out of
the house, but still practicing social distancing. People were very
very responsible. If you're walking down a path, you just
take the other side twenty yards out, how about you. Joy. Yeah,

(02:04:31):
people are being more mindful about it. You don't have
to take it serious. That's all, you know. It's not
just for you, it's you want to protect the other
people as well. Everyone just wear masks and practice social
distancings day home, and we'll do what we can. This
is all temporary, yeah, remember that. And there's it's some
real amazing success stories in Oregon. Oregon did a remarkable

(02:04:51):
job with it. Only fifty two deaths and they were
had neighboring Washington where the outbreak began. California forty million people,
about six hundred deaths is in my town. We haven't
had that hospital serves yet. I don't know if it'll happen,
but social distancing, be smart, be thoughtful. It's not just
about you, it's all people involved. We'll be back tomorrow.

(02:05:14):
Can't wait. In La, it's been hurt

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