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You're listening to KFI AM six fortyon demand. You know, we lost
a little time there with Mark aswe came to the end of what they
call in the business a heard break, which means no messing around with it.
So leaving on that note about whenyou're trying to find that relationship with
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God, it's going to go throughstages. Like any other relationship you have,
You're going to go through a process, and the beginning of any relationship
is the most superficial. It's alsothe most wonderful sometimes because you haven't added
anything to it. It's not reallythat meaningful. It's just basically both parties
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agreeing, Hey, I want toknow you. I want to know you,
okay, super duper, and thenyou move forward and at that point
it's like, Wow, someone wantsto know me. And then they're going,
hey, someone wants to know me, and that's a fun place to
be. So in the church,it's very similar when you come to that
place and you say, hey,I agree that I want to know God,
and God of course wants to knowyou, and you start out on
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that path that it's going to bea little superficial when you're in church and
you're saying, Wow, it's justnice to meet people. And if you're
a guy, you're going and you'resingle, you're going, hey, there's
pretty girls. And if you're agirl and you're single, you're going,
hey, there's handsome guys. Andeveryone's going, oh, well they're Christian's
a happy day. This is great, and that's that. But there's more
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to it, and you'll go throughgood times and bad times, and there'll
be times where you're going, well, God is my safety net? And
am I just using God as thesafety net then? And is he really
not my lord? And do Ireally not have a relationship and I'm just
using them for all these things?Well, yes, and no. You
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can't use God in that sense ifyou truly believe, because God offers it
to you. God says, thisis who I want to be in your
life. I want you to useme this way. However, that should
come from a genuine place of loveand appreciation, and that takes time to
grow. So when I say don'tworry about it, that means don't get
lost in every moment that well,it's not good now or it's good,
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it's over a longer period of time. As you grow in your faith and
you grow in your relationship with God. It will go through changes like a
normal relationship, and there'll be timeswhere you're going, Gosh, I'm utilizing
them more than they're utilizing me,and all those things. Well, God's
not going to come to you andneeds some specific thing other than your honest
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love and your time to study andpray and to cultivate the relationship and those
types of things. And if you'redoing that, just know that they'll be
There'll be more times that God isgiving to you than you're giving to God,
truly, and that's why God callsyou to be a living sacrifice,
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because it's something that's every moment ofevery day. You'll continue you boom,
boom boom, every moment of everyday working with God and all of those
things, every moment of every daya living sacrifice. Jeanette, Welcome to
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the Jesus Christ Show. Hello,Hi Jeanette, Hi Jeanette, good morning,
Good morning, your Holy host.Well, hello, how can I
help you, my dear? Okay, Well, it's a blessing and a
pleasure to speak with you this morningmine as well. And so I'm just
making sure I was reading I waslistening to you one Sunday and you mentioned
Matthew six. And from there Istarted reading the Bible. I'm not dumb
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about the Bible, but I neverread the Bible. So I kept on
reading and reading every day till Igot the revelation. And to be honest
with you, your Holy Host,do you know something came over me?
I got afraid. It's silly,I got afraid. Huh, you got
afraid? I got afraid at all? The Bible? Well, I stay
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a crime. I don't know whatgat do you know? I still can't
read it. It's overwhelming. Itcan be overwhelming. That's okay? Is
that okay? Yeah? You try? You imagine a food that you like.
What's it? What's your favorite food? Oh? Broccoli? Okay,
so you like broccoli. Do youwant do you want to eat ten pounds
of broccoli in one sitting? Whatwould happen? You'd probably cough most of
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it up? Right, That's allyou just you're you're consuming a lot,
and and it's it's it's a itcan weigh you down, and it's a
it's a weighty book. There's alot going on. I thought it was
a terrible thing because I just couldn't. And even now I cannot read it
because your hold host it just somethingcan't it's undescribable. And I said,
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why can't I read that? AndI'm still afraid to pick it up.
So what I did I went backto the Bible and I thought it with
Genesis, I said, maybe Icould work myself up to it. And
I thought something was wrong with meto feel this way. No, there's
nothing wrong with you. There isa lot of scary images in there.
But you start at Matthew six.I'm assuming at the time I was probably
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telling somebody about the Lord's Prayer.Okay, going through Matthew six and going
down that path, and you startedfrom there, and that's really not the
end of the book going but you'rereading just the New Testament there and you're
going through then. It might bea little weighty to swallow that all at
one time, but it's okay.There's a lot of scary images in scripture,
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and it's okay to have fear.Only know that above all of that,
that, as I say every singleSunday, I am with you always.
I don't leave in any particular time, and that during your reading you
do it prayerfully, and you knowthat God, God is powerful, and
God oversees all those things, andall those things that will take place in
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what they call the end times willbe designed by God and allowed by God,
and that you, as a childof God, will be in His
loving protection. To make me feelgood, because I just could understand because
I do believe. I believe somuch. Of course you do. And
it just got to me so bad. I said, this is the same
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You can't even read that, youknow, because I love him? Yes,
Well, you just tell the devilevery time you pick that up and
you get fearful, you tell thedevil to get behind you, and you
continue to read, and you read. You read with tears, you read
with it, you press on throughit because it isn't going to hurt you,
okay, and you want to scoop. I've read the end of the
book, and you know what youwin, I win, you win,
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But I'm gonna I'm going to promisethat to you. Your host absolutely got
to pick that Bible up. Youcan scream it from the mountaintops because it's
true. And I'm going to readthe rare relations you go through. Thank
you so so kind. I can'teven tell you any words. I'm look.
I appreciate that you know that Ilove you so absolutely I do,
and you know that I love youback. I know, And you have
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a wonderful, wonderful week you aswell. You know. The wonderful thing
about scripture is that it is potent, and it can grab you and it
can shake you, and it canmake you think, and it can make
you fearful. But that's okay.That doesn't mean that you don't believe.
Means you pressed through with the hopeand the promise of God set before you.
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Francis, Welcome to the Jesus ChristShow. Oh hold on a minute,
thank you very much. What youwatch? You watching a movie on
an old projector I'm just tumbling somebrass, and of course a minute you
called or picked up the phone thepart rolled under the workbench. Oh okay,
tumbling some brass. That's not likea euphemism or something, right,
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No, sir, just a littlereliving for the weekends. I see,
I see the question I had.Quite seriously, I had a leader or
not. One of my friends who'sactually older than I am, has to
become a Buddhist and his younger brotheris a Christian. So the first time
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I got to witness a debate,the question came up, did Jesus really
die for the sins of man?Or was he just a pain in the
neck to the establishment And they ranhim up on a bump charge and made
an example out of him. Bigmistake. Obviously it didn't help their cause.
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Really, that rarely does well.For instance, those aren't mutually exclusive
correct one other things. And then, and I've never really understood this,
what exactly is original sin? Sotake it away? Okay, I'll run
off with that as we just havea moment here original sin and people get
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confused with this, so I'll dealwith that last as to where we're going
with that. But with original sinreally ties into Adam and Eve and sin
being passed down that the original sinis rejecting God and rejecting God's will and
its purpose for things. So,in a quick nutshell, due to time,
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that's basically what original sin is.But when it comes to dying on
the cross, yes there was politicsthat played into it. Yes there were
those that wanted me dead, andso they had their own agenda, But
that doesn't mean that God didn't havehis agenda. And that doesn't mean that
I didn't die for the sins ofmankind. They truly aren't mutually exclusive,
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and together it paints the big pictureof what took place so long ago.
Chris, Welcome to the Jesus ChristShow. Hello Jesus, Hello Chris,
Jesus all my life I've been raised. I'm in my mid forties now to
where keeping the commandment of keeping onlythe Lords that they meant for me to
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go to church on every Sunday ora mass or service for some reason,
I don't know why. I guessI have to explore further, but that's
no longer cutting it. I'm lookingfor alternative ways of keeping Holy the Lord's
day other than just showing up foran hour or two singing the songs preciding
the prayers that I can do.You know, backwards are in my sleep.
I guess what I'm asking for?What are some other great ways of
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keeping Holy the Lord today? Wow? There are many, and they're not
mutually exclusive. But I can't help. You're kind of jumping in, and
as always we're up against the clock. But you're kind of jumping in and
making me push aside this huge portion, which is why I mean, I
understand the way you say it,it's routine, but why would you forsake
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this? Why would you forsake thatopportunity? Because scripture itself doesn't give you
the opportunity. I mean, Hebrewsten, verse twenty five says, do
not forsake our own assembly together,as is the habit to some, but
encouraging one another. And all themore as you see the day drawing near,
it really talks about and even beforethat in verse twenty fources and let
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us consider how to stimulate one anotherto love and good deeds, and then
talks about this taking place during thegathering of the brethren or the assembly,
and this is supposed to be abeautiful thing. I get it's not always
fun. I get that it canbecome routine, But why wouldn't you just
change churches then, or look inwardlyto see what's going on with you,
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rather than to reject the gathering ofthe brethren, which is there is no
nothing that simulates that or truly canreplace that. I mean, people call
about this program all the time andsay I don't go to church. I
listen to this program, and Isay stop. This program will not substitute
for church. You need to begathering, you need to get out there.
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And if you were an invalid andyou couldn't go to church, then
that might be a different story.But I'm saddened to hear that you just
don't want to go to church becauseyou don't want to go to church.
Maybe it's because I like you suggestthat I need to find another church.
I have been looking and periodically goingto other churches, but it all seems
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the same routine. And I'm thinking, like, if you read a book
every day, for if I wentto church every day on mid forties,
now you know the book backwards andit would not be as exciting as the
first time. You want. Well, that's what I'm up against. Now.
I'm going there and it's the sameold, same old, and it's
there's no Uh, it doesn't seemto be any any fulfillment. When I
leave, I walk away thinking whatam I doing today? What's my gross
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grosser listening grossy look like? AndI'm not thinking my mind's not there,
Okay, But you play a partin it too, Let's be fair,
and there's there's thousands of people listeningright now that are not in their head
in agreement with you. Let's hopeit's not everybody, but let's say thousands
that are in agreement that understand that. You know, my producer Neil is
one of them. He gets frustratedand has a hard time going to church.
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But the important thing is that youlook at how you participate in it,
because that you can change, thatyou can actually affect. So here's
a couple of things I want youto do when you go to church next
time. I don't want you justto sing the words. I want you
to look around at the people.I want you to experience what they're experiencing.
I want you to hear each wordwhen they're reading a scripture. I
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want you to read along. ButI want you to ask yourself, what
part of this don't I know becauseyou don't know it all. You don't.
You think you do, and it'sbecome you know from wrote it's just
memory and you just kind of blurtit out. But you're not experiencing it
the same way. And that's that'son you. And this is in any
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relationship. This is when you're aman and a woman are together, if
you're married, you have to continueto bring new things into the relationship everything
living eats, sleeps, and giveswaste, and that's your relationship with God
as well. You have to eat, you have to consume new stuff,
you have to rest so that youcan digest it all. And then you
have to get weight, give waste, get rid of the stuff that doesn't
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work for you in anymore, andmove on. Kathleen, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show. Hi Jesus,I love your show. I try to
listen to you every Sunday. Allright, tell a friend, so I
do. I do, Thank youvery much. We have. We had
a debate about sin with some ofmy relatives and I wanted to get a
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better understanding of it. They saidthat just the mere thought of a sin
is a sin, and then actingupon it is obviously furthering of the sin,
Whereas I thought, if you justhave a thought of sin but never
acted upon it, it was ina sin. So, for instance,
if I see a neighbor and let'ssay they get a new car and I'm
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like, oh wow, I reallyam jealous that they have that new car,
and I'm not, well, jealousyis probably a bad example. How
about if I am a married woman, I'm a married woman and I see
a guy and I think, oh, wow, he's really attractive. I'd
really like to, you know,have an affair with him, but I
don't because I know I'm married andI'm never going to do that. Is
that really a sense? Well,let's go to the authority. Heh yeah,
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okay, scripture Matthew will go tochapter five, verse twenty seven.
You have heard that it is saidyou shall not commit adultery. But I
say to you these are my words, that everyone who looks on a woman
plust for her has committed adultery withher, and has already done it in
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her heart. What do you thinkthat means? That means, if you
think about it, you've sent yep. All right. And also just previously
in verse twenty one says, youhave heard that the ancients were told you
shall not commit murder, and whoevercommits murder shall be liable in court.
But I say to you that everyonewho is angry, but the word specific
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angry there is dealing with rage withhis brother, shall be guilty before the
court. So what's being said here? And I'll explain the purpose of my
statements were to make people accountable fortheir thoughts. See, if you don't
have the thought, it will neverbecome an action. So the action,
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yes, the action is different.But the world judges you based on what
you do. God judges you basedon what you think, because God knows
your heart. So if you sayheck, but you mean in your heart
something deeper, God, here isit the way you mean, not what
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you say. And the purpose ofthis was because the law. Our Jewish
brothers and sisters were living by thelaw, and I wanted them to see
that the law was not just followingthat you couldn't just follow the law to
the tea and be good because thetrue law of God is wider and deeper
than just the law of man.And that goes to your keeping your thoughts
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in control. And that's why youknow coveting is not stealing. When you
covet something, there's not an actualact that takes place, does it.
No, you just want it andyou're jealous for it. And you kind
of cut yourself as you went downlied because you start going, okay,
wait a second, but that's afeeling. But still you're accountable for it.
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So you are accountable for it.And it's one of those things that
your heart is so important, andScripture talks about those that harden their hearts,
and God reads your hearts and knowsyour hearts, and no man does.
You can only see what you know. Your decisions have effect on in
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life, and that's how people knowwhat you're thinking. But God says,
I know what you're thinking. Andthis was my way in Scripture to let
people know that they were accountable formore than they thought they were, because
this assumption started to become, Wow, if I can just do these things,
if I can just the ten commandments, then I'm in. When I'm
done, I just have to Ihave to stick to those. Well,
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not only can no person live upto the ten commandments truly that, it's
even broader than that. And soI wanted people to understand that there was
really that they were so accountable thatthey weren't going to achieve it through that.
And the reason for that was sothat they knew that they had to
receive me because they weren't going todo it on their own. So there
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were those that were going, well, I'm doing pretty good. I don't
even need to listen to what thisguy has to say. I don't even
need a savior. This was myway of explaining. No, it's much
deeper than you think, and youare going to need a savior. You're
are going to need the unspotted lambto die in the cross for your sins.
It's not going to just be bythe law, because you're never going
to fulfill the law because even thinkingabout it, you've done it. Not
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the answer you wanted. No,not really a lot more than I thought
I did. Well, See,that's why because people tend to and this
is normal, Kathleen, you lookaround and you kind of compare yourself to
other people. That's not the standard. God is the standard. How do
you think you look next to God? Not very well said, not worse,
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just worse. And that's see.That being the standard is what I
want people to think about. Notto make you feel horrible or to feel
less than or any of those,but you can compare yourself to another person.
And you know, the ongoing jokeabout that is that comparing yourself to
God alongside a person is the equivalentof you standing in the southernmost part of
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Texas throwing baseballs next to your friendtrying to hit Canada and seeing who comes
closest you're both going to be sofar from ever hitting Canada that to measure
against each other is silly. SoI'm saying, don't measure yourself against this
other person because you may look alittle better. But the measurement, the
true standard, is God, whichis why God had to come in the
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flesh and die perfect and sinless.Now, one more clarification. Temptation is
not a sin. Yielding to itis, and I think that's probably what
you were getting confused with. Theexample is when the devil tempted me in
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the desert, I didn't sin,but I didn't receive any of the temptations
at all. So technically, whenyou enter them into your mind and you
even fantasize about them, or yougive them a seat in your head or
your heart, that's when you entertaintemptation and you've taken it, maybe to
only step one, but you've takenit. So there is a certain victory
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that goes by way of you saying, Okay, I'm not going to fulfill
this, I'm not going to gothrough with it. There is something there
that I want you to understand that'simportant. It's not like, well I've
thought about it. I might aswell do it because I'm getting bust for
it. Anyways, that's not thetruth of the matter, and that mentality
is only going to get you intotrouble. It's more understanding about the perfection
of God more than it should beabout your imperfection and how horrible you are.
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It's to see the beauty of theperfection of God and how living up
to that is only possible through theblood on the cross. So it's to
understand what took place. It's notto beat you down or any of those
things. It's to help get incontrol of your of your thoughts, and
because those thoughts can become problems.And you know, if the old saying
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that if you're not supposed to gointo you know, Florida, or you're
not supposed to go into Miami,rather don't go into Florida. You want
to pad it as much as possible. And so if you're not supposed to
commit adultery, don't even fantasize,don't go to that place. Pad yourself
by not having that a part ofyour thoughts or how you think, or
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any of those things, because itcan only become kind of a slippery slope
where you kind of push the envelopeand then it becomes a problem. And
these are the things that have triedto that I try and steer you away
from in scripture, and so Iknow where you were coming from. It
wasn't completely unreasonable or unscriptural for youto come to that conclusion. But scripture
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is very clear. These are mywords in Red that it's not just what
you do, but it's what youthink that can pollute who you are.
Beth, Welcome to the Jesus ChristShow. Thank you, How can I
help you? I would like toknow where Jesus went after his death and
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the three days before his resurrection.I've heard different people say that he went
to Hell and he traveled around theEarth and appeared to different cultures and people,
and I want to know if that'sreally true. There's nothing in scripture
that says that he traveled around todifferent cultures and people. Okay, so
that you can put that aside.I was right where it says I was,
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and in scripture it's quite specific.The only problem is translation. A
lot of people get confused because theApostles Creed states regarding me, he descended
into Hell during that time, andso people go what what does that mean?
And why is God in hell?And that doesn't make any sense,
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And then people try and make senseof it that, oh, well,
they were heaping more judgment upon him. So imagine this, I just get
off the cross, I'm dead,I'm now in the tomb, I'm wrapped
up, I resurrect, And inbetween that time they're saying, well,
maybe there was a reason for meto have taken on more sin or more
punishment, and that's why I wentto hell. And that's not the case.
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The confusion comes from the translations ofcertain words in Hebrew scriptures that refers
something that's often translated as hell asactually the word shoal, and then it
really kind of means the place ofthe dead. And then in the New
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Testament, in the Greek, there'sa word that is hades and that is
translated as the place of the deador sometimes hell. Both of these are
technically temporary places for the dead.One a holding of those that are good,
and want a holding of those thatare bad. Paradise is also a
translation of the good place. Soif you remember on the cross, what
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do I say to the thief?Today? You will be with me where
exactly? So it's a very specificterm used in context that's referring to the
good place of the dead. Soas my body lay in the tomb,
my spirit goes to paradise, andthen I took those that were in paradise
when I ascended into heaven. Theproblem with all of this, it's not
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only the translation, sometimes the word. There's a huge problem with the consistency
with many translations is that they'll sayhell in one place, and then they'll
say place of the dead somewhere else. Then they'll say the grave somewhere else,
and it gets confusing. But really, in the context of things,
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you're also dealing with something that dealswith the time continuum, which you're bound
to. You have a yesterday,today, and tomorrow, and then you
have the spiritual things and the thingsoutside of this world that don't have a
yesterday, today, and tomorrow.So it's hard for us, oh boy,
isn't it. So there's so muchof that that gets kind of wrapped
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up in it. It's like,well, where's this and when's this?
And all of these things, Andscripture says to be absent from the body
is to be present with the Lordand all these good things. But what
I can tell you is that itis the belief of this program that the
simplest understanding of scripture is the best, and that is that I was in
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the grave and not on the badside. Hell doesn't exist technically at this
point. Hell in as far asthe place of judgment happens much later after
what is referred to as the GreatWhite Throne judgment in Revelation twenty eleven through
fifteen. So all of these thingsput together, as if it couldn't be
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more convoluted, All these things puttogether become very difficult when you're dealing with
the time continuum and all of that. But ultimately, I did not go
to Hell, the place that peoplebelieve when they think of Hell. It's
kind of a translation issue dealing withplace of the dead. And so that's
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what took place. And there's theother theories about going to different cultures are
going around the world at that pointdoesn't make a whole lot of sense either
and is not talked about. Ifyou remember after the resurrection, some people
forget this. You're looking at aboutforty days that I was on the earth,
so before the ascension, so you'reseeing me connect with all kinds of
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people. What Scripture describes is overfive hundred people at times, including those
that were followers and the like.During that period. There's no talk necessarily
about traveling everywhere in the world andmeeting everyone and those types of things.
There always seems to be this,there's a great desire that anytime I'm gone
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for any matter of time, orthere's something it's not that interesting to talk
about. Like you know, whenI was growing up for those eighteen years,
people go, well, I've beenlost and you're in Tibet, right,
No, I was building things withmy foster father Joseph. That's it.
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Not very exciting, not a wholelot to write about. So it
just wasn't written about. But yousee that later on that people will say
when I started doing miracles. Butwait a second, is that Jesus the
son of Joseph the carpenter. Andif I was gone for eighteen years,
nobody's gonna recognize me. It sayswhat I was doing. I was in
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the carpentry shop building things. SoI don't know what it is this desire
to fill in those blanks in Scriptureall the time was some sort of opportunity
of going to other places and learningother things or teaching other things, because
it's just it doesn't fit in tothe narrative as it stands. The clearest
understanding of what takes place during thattime between my death and the resurrection is
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that I went to what I referredto on the cross as paradise. And
that was not some sort of yeah, you know, it wasn't some sort
of hell where I was taking onmore punishment. On the cross, I
said to tell U sty The termhas been disputed in some sense. It's
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often translated to mean the end,or it is done, or it is
finished, and some even say thatit's an old it's an old merchant's term
for paid in full. Regardless,the most important thing to see is the
finality of the statement that I'm sayingit is done. It's not like it's
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done for now. I've got togo down to Hell and take on some
more and then it will be reallyfinished. But it's done now too.
That wasn't the point, and that'snot what's being stated. It was a
stage of finality, and I wantedto make that clear, to tell a
stye, it is finished. Remember, we're at a time more importantly than
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all of this. I am withyou Always. Kf I A M six
forty on demand
You're listening to KFI AM six fortyon demand. You know, we lost
a little time there with Mark aswe came to the end of what they
call in the business a heard break, which means no messing around with it.
So leaving on that note about whenyou're trying to find that relationship with
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God, it's going to go throughstages. Like any other relationship you have,
You're going to go through a process, and the beginning of any relationship
is the most superficial. It's alsothe most wonderful sometimes because you haven't added
anything to it. It's not reallythat meaningful. It's just basically both parties
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agreeing, Hey, I want toknow you. I want to know you,
okay, super duper, and thenyou move forward and at that point
it's like, Wow, someone wantsto know me. And then they're going,
hey, someone wants to know me, and that's a fun place to
be. So in the church,it's very similar when you come to that
place and you say, hey,I agree that I want to know God,
and God of course wants to knowyou, and you start out on
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that path that it's going to bea little superficial when you're in church and
you're saying, Wow, it's justnice to meet people. And if you're
a guy, you're going and you'resingle, you're going, hey, there's
pretty girls. And if you're agirl and you're single, you're going,
hey, there's handsome guys. Andeveryone's going, oh, well they're Christian's
a happy day. This is great, and that's that. But there's more
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to it, and you'll go throughgood times and bad times, and there'll
be times where you're going, well, God is my safety net? And
am I just using God as thesafety net then? And is he really
not my lord? And do Ireally not have a relationship and I'm just
using them for all these things?Well, yes, and no. You
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can't use God in that sense ifyou truly believe, because God offers it
to you. God says, thisis who I want to be in your
life. I want you to useme this way. However, that should
come from a genuine place of loveand appreciation, and that takes time to
grow. So when I say don'tworry about it, that means don't get
lost in every moment that well,it's not good now or it's good,
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it's over a longer period of time. As you grow in your faith and
you grow in your relationship with God. It will go through changes like a
normal relationship, and there'll be timeswhere you're going, Gosh, I'm utilizing
them more than they're utilizing me,and all those things. Well, God's
not going to come to you andneeds some specific thing other than your honest
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love and your time to study andpray and to cultivate the relationship and those
types of things. And if you'redoing that, just know that they'll be
There'll be more times that God isgiving to you than you're giving to God,
truly, and that's why God callsyou to be a living sacrifice,
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because it's something that's every moment ofevery day. You'll continue you boom,
boom boom, every moment of everyday working with God and all of those
things, every moment of every daya living sacrifice. Jeanette, Welcome to
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the Jesus Christ Show. Hello,Hi Jeanette, Hi Jeanette, good morning,
Good morning, your Holy host.Well, hello, how can I
help you, my dear? Okay, Well, it's a blessing and a
pleasure to speak with you this morningmine as well. And so I'm just
making sure I was reading I waslistening to you one Sunday and you mentioned
Matthew six. And from there Istarted reading the Bible. I'm not dumb
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about the Bible, but I neverread the Bible. So I kept on
reading and reading every day till Igot the revelation. And to be honest
with you, your Holy Host,do you know something came over me?
I got afraid. It's silly,I got afraid. Huh, you got
afraid? I got afraid at all? The Bible? Well, I stay
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a crime. I don't know whatgat do you know? I still can't
read it. It's overwhelming. Itcan be overwhelming. That's okay? Is
that okay? Yeah? You try? You imagine a food that you like.
What's it? What's your favorite food? Oh? Broccoli? Okay,
so you like broccoli. Do youwant do you want to eat ten pounds
of broccoli in one sitting? Whatwould happen? You'd probably cough most of
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it up? Right, That's allyou just you're you're consuming a lot,
and and it's it's it's a itcan weigh you down, and it's a
it's a weighty book. There's alot going on. I thought it was
a terrible thing because I just couldn't. And even now I cannot read it
because your hold host it just somethingcan't it's undescribable. And I said,
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why can't I read that? AndI'm still afraid to pick it up.
So what I did I went backto the Bible and I thought it with
Genesis, I said, maybe Icould work myself up to it. And
I thought something was wrong with meto feel this way. No, there's
nothing wrong with you. There isa lot of scary images in there.
But you start at Matthew six.I'm assuming at the time I was probably
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telling somebody about the Lord's Prayer.Okay, going through Matthew six and going
down that path, and you startedfrom there, and that's really not the
end of the book going but you'rereading just the New Testament there and you're
going through then. It might bea little weighty to swallow that all at
one time, but it's okay.There's a lot of scary images in scripture,
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and it's okay to have fear.Only know that above all of that,
that, as I say every singleSunday, I am with you always.
I don't leave in any particular time, and that during your reading you
do it prayerfully, and you knowthat God, God is powerful, and
God oversees all those things, andall those things that will take place in
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what they call the end times willbe designed by God and allowed by God,
and that you, as a childof God, will be in His
loving protection. To make me feelgood, because I just could understand because
I do believe. I believe somuch. Of course you do. And
it just got to me so bad. I said, this is the same
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You can't even read that, youknow, because I love him? Yes,
Well, you just tell the devilevery time you pick that up and
you get fearful, you tell thedevil to get behind you, and you
continue to read, and you read. You read with tears, you read
with it, you press on throughit because it isn't going to hurt you,
okay, and you want to scoop. I've read the end of the
book, and you know what youwin, I win, you win,
(06:31):
But I'm gonna I'm going to promisethat to you. Your host absolutely got
to pick that Bible up. Youcan scream it from the mountaintops because it's
true. And I'm going to readthe rare relations you go through. Thank
you so so kind. I can'teven tell you any words. I'm look.
I appreciate that you know that Ilove you so absolutely I do,
and you know that I love youback. I know, And you have
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a wonderful, wonderful week you aswell. You know. The wonderful thing
about scripture is that it is potent, and it can grab you and it
can shake you, and it canmake you think, and it can make
you fearful. But that's okay.That doesn't mean that you don't believe.
Means you pressed through with the hopeand the promise of God set before you.
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Francis, Welcome to the Jesus ChristShow. Oh hold on a minute,
thank you very much. What youwatch? You watching a movie on
an old projector I'm just tumbling somebrass, and of course a minute you
called or picked up the phone thepart rolled under the workbench. Oh okay,
tumbling some brass. That's not likea euphemism or something, right,
(07:38):
No, sir, just a littlereliving for the weekends. I see,
I see the question I had.Quite seriously, I had a leader or
not. One of my friends who'sactually older than I am, has to
become a Buddhist and his younger brotheris a Christian. So the first time
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I got to witness a debate,the question came up, did Jesus really
die for the sins of man?Or was he just a pain in the
neck to the establishment And they ranhim up on a bump charge and made
an example out of him. Bigmistake. Obviously it didn't help their cause.
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Really, that rarely does well.For instance, those aren't mutually exclusive
correct one other things. And then, and I've never really understood this,
what exactly is original sin? Sotake it away? Okay, I'll run
off with that as we just havea moment here original sin and people get
(08:50):
confused with this, so I'll dealwith that last as to where we're going
with that. But with original sinreally ties into Adam and Eve and sin
being passed down that the original sinis rejecting God and rejecting God's will and
its purpose for things. So,in a quick nutshell, due to time,
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that's basically what original sin is.But when it comes to dying on
the cross, yes there was politicsthat played into it. Yes there were
those that wanted me dead, andso they had their own agenda, But
that doesn't mean that God didn't havehis agenda. And that doesn't mean that
I didn't die for the sins ofmankind. They truly aren't mutually exclusive,
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and together it paints the big pictureof what took place so long ago.
Chris, Welcome to the Jesus ChristShow. Hello Jesus, Hello Chris,
Jesus all my life I've been raised. I'm in my mid forties now to
where keeping the commandment of keeping onlythe Lords that they meant for me to
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go to church on every Sunday ora mass or service for some reason,
I don't know why. I guessI have to explore further, but that's
no longer cutting it. I'm lookingfor alternative ways of keeping Holy the Lord's
day other than just showing up foran hour or two singing the songs preciding
the prayers that I can do.You know, backwards are in my sleep.
I guess what I'm asking for?What are some other great ways of
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keeping Holy the Lord today? Wow? There are many, and they're not
mutually exclusive. But I can't help. You're kind of jumping in, and
as always we're up against the clock. But you're kind of jumping in and
making me push aside this huge portion, which is why I mean, I
understand the way you say it,it's routine, but why would you forsake
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this? Why would you forsake thatopportunity? Because scripture itself doesn't give you
the opportunity. I mean, Hebrewsten, verse twenty five says, do
not forsake our own assembly together,as is the habit to some, but
encouraging one another. And all themore as you see the day drawing near,
it really talks about and even beforethat in verse twenty fources and let
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us consider how to stimulate one anotherto love and good deeds, and then
talks about this taking place during thegathering of the brethren or the assembly,
and this is supposed to be abeautiful thing. I get it's not always
fun. I get that it canbecome routine, But why wouldn't you just
change churches then, or look inwardlyto see what's going on with you,
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rather than to reject the gathering ofthe brethren, which is there is no
nothing that simulates that or truly canreplace that. I mean, people call
about this program all the time andsay I don't go to church. I
listen to this program, and Isay stop. This program will not substitute
for church. You need to begathering, you need to get out there.
(11:50):
And if you were an invalid andyou couldn't go to church, then
that might be a different story.But I'm saddened to hear that you just
don't want to go to church becauseyou don't want to go to church.
Maybe it's because I like you suggestthat I need to find another church.
I have been looking and periodically goingto other churches, but it all seems
(12:11):
the same routine. And I'm thinking, like, if you read a book
every day, for if I wentto church every day on mid forties,
now you know the book backwards andit would not be as exciting as the
first time. You want. Well, that's what I'm up against. Now.
I'm going there and it's the sameold, same old, and it's
there's no Uh, it doesn't seemto be any any fulfillment. When I
leave, I walk away thinking whatam I doing today? What's my gross
(12:33):
grosser listening grossy look like? AndI'm not thinking my mind's not there,
Okay, But you play a partin it too, Let's be fair,
and there's there's thousands of people listeningright now that are not in their head
in agreement with you. Let's hopeit's not everybody, but let's say thousands
that are in agreement that understand that. You know, my producer Neil is
one of them. He gets frustratedand has a hard time going to church.
(12:56):
But the important thing is that youlook at how you participate in it,
because that you can change, thatyou can actually affect. So here's
a couple of things I want youto do when you go to church next
time. I don't want you justto sing the words. I want you
to look around at the people.I want you to experience what they're experiencing.
I want you to hear each wordwhen they're reading a scripture. I
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want you to read along. ButI want you to ask yourself, what
part of this don't I know becauseyou don't know it all. You don't.
You think you do, and it'sbecome you know from wrote it's just
memory and you just kind of blurtit out. But you're not experiencing it
the same way. And that's that'son you. And this is in any
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relationship. This is when you're aman and a woman are together, if
you're married, you have to continueto bring new things into the relationship everything
living eats, sleeps, and giveswaste, and that's your relationship with God
as well. You have to eat, you have to consume new stuff,
you have to rest so that youcan digest it all. And then you
have to get weight, give waste, get rid of the stuff that doesn't
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work for you in anymore, andmove on. Kathleen, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show. Hi Jesus,I love your show. I try to
listen to you every Sunday. Allright, tell a friend, so I
do. I do, Thank youvery much. We have. We had
a debate about sin with some ofmy relatives and I wanted to get a
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better understanding of it. They saidthat just the mere thought of a sin
is a sin, and then actingupon it is obviously furthering of the sin,
Whereas I thought, if you justhave a thought of sin but never
acted upon it, it was ina sin. So, for instance,
if I see a neighbor and let'ssay they get a new car and I'm
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like, oh wow, I reallyam jealous that they have that new car,
and I'm not, well, jealousyis probably a bad example. How
about if I am a married woman, I'm a married woman and I see
a guy and I think, oh, wow, he's really attractive. I'd
really like to, you know,have an affair with him, but I
don't because I know I'm married andI'm never going to do that. Is
that really a sense? Well,let's go to the authority. Heh yeah,
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okay, scripture Matthew will go tochapter five, verse twenty seven.
You have heard that it is saidyou shall not commit adultery. But I
say to you these are my words, that everyone who looks on a woman
plust for her has committed adultery withher, and has already done it in
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her heart. What do you thinkthat means? That means, if you
think about it, you've sent yep. All right. And also just previously
in verse twenty one says, youhave heard that the ancients were told you
shall not commit murder, and whoevercommits murder shall be liable in court.
But I say to you that everyonewho is angry, but the word specific
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angry there is dealing with rage withhis brother, shall be guilty before the
court. So what's being said here? And I'll explain the purpose of my
statements were to make people accountable fortheir thoughts. See, if you don't
have the thought, it will neverbecome an action. So the action,
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yes, the action is different.But the world judges you based on what
you do. God judges you basedon what you think, because God knows
your heart. So if you sayheck, but you mean in your heart
something deeper, God, here isit the way you mean, not what
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you say. And the purpose ofthis was because the law. Our Jewish
brothers and sisters were living by thelaw, and I wanted them to see
that the law was not just followingthat you couldn't just follow the law to
the tea and be good because thetrue law of God is wider and deeper
than just the law of man.And that goes to your keeping your thoughts
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in control. And that's why youknow coveting is not stealing. When you
covet something, there's not an actualact that takes place, does it.
No, you just want it andyou're jealous for it. And you kind
of cut yourself as you went downlied because you start going, okay,
wait a second, but that's afeeling. But still you're accountable for it.
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So you are accountable for it.And it's one of those things that
your heart is so important, andScripture talks about those that harden their hearts,
and God reads your hearts and knowsyour hearts, and no man does.
You can only see what you know. Your decisions have effect on in
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life, and that's how people knowwhat you're thinking. But God says,
I know what you're thinking. Andthis was my way in Scripture to let
people know that they were accountable formore than they thought they were, because
this assumption started to become, Wow, if I can just do these things,
if I can just the ten commandments, then I'm in. When I'm
done, I just have to Ihave to stick to those. Well,
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not only can no person live upto the ten commandments truly that, it's
even broader than that. And soI wanted people to understand that there was
really that they were so accountable thatthey weren't going to achieve it through that.
And the reason for that was sothat they knew that they had to
receive me because they weren't going todo it on their own. So there
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were those that were going, well, I'm doing pretty good. I don't
even need to listen to what thisguy has to say. I don't even
need a savior. This was myway of explaining. No, it's much
deeper than you think, and youare going to need a savior. You're
are going to need the unspotted lambto die in the cross for your sins.
It's not going to just be bythe law, because you're never going
to fulfill the law because even thinkingabout it, you've done it. Not
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the answer you wanted. No,not really a lot more than I thought
I did. Well, See,that's why because people tend to and this
is normal, Kathleen, you lookaround and you kind of compare yourself to
other people. That's not the standard. God is the standard. How do
you think you look next to God? Not very well said, not worse,
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just worse. And that's see.That being the standard is what I
want people to think about. Notto make you feel horrible or to feel
less than or any of those,but you can compare yourself to another person.
And you know, the ongoing jokeabout that is that comparing yourself to
God alongside a person is the equivalentof you standing in the southernmost part of
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Texas throwing baseballs next to your friendtrying to hit Canada and seeing who comes
closest you're both going to be sofar from ever hitting Canada that to measure
against each other is silly. SoI'm saying, don't measure yourself against this
other person because you may look alittle better. But the measurement, the
true standard, is God, whichis why God had to come in the
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flesh and die perfect and sinless.Now, one more clarification. Temptation is
not a sin. Yielding to itis, and I think that's probably what
you were getting confused with. Theexample is when the devil tempted me in
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the desert, I didn't sin,but I didn't receive any of the temptations
at all. So technically, whenyou enter them into your mind and you
even fantasize about them, or yougive them a seat in your head or
your heart, that's when you entertaintemptation and you've taken it, maybe to
only step one, but you've takenit. So there is a certain victory
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that goes by way of you saying, Okay, I'm not going to fulfill
this, I'm not going to gothrough with it. There is something there
that I want you to understand that'simportant. It's not like, well I've
thought about it. I might aswell do it because I'm getting bust for
it. Anyways, that's not thetruth of the matter, and that mentality
is only going to get you intotrouble. It's more understanding about the perfection
of God more than it should beabout your imperfection and how horrible you are.
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It's to see the beauty of theperfection of God and how living up
to that is only possible through theblood on the cross. So it's to
understand what took place. It's notto beat you down or any of those
things. It's to help get incontrol of your of your thoughts, and
because those thoughts can become problems.And you know, if the old saying
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that if you're not supposed to gointo you know, Florida, or you're
not supposed to go into Miami,rather don't go into Florida. You want
to pad it as much as possible. And so if you're not supposed to
commit adultery, don't even fantasize,don't go to that place. Pad yourself
by not having that a part ofyour thoughts or how you think, or
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any of those things, because itcan only become kind of a slippery slope
where you kind of push the envelopeand then it becomes a problem. And
these are the things that have triedto that I try and steer you away
from in scripture, and so Iknow where you were coming from. It
wasn't completely unreasonable or unscriptural for youto come to that conclusion. But scripture
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is very clear. These are mywords in Red that it's not just what
you do, but it's what youthink that can pollute who you are.
Beth, Welcome to the Jesus ChristShow. Thank you, How can I
help you? I would like toknow where Jesus went after his death and
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the three days before his resurrection.I've heard different people say that he went
to Hell and he traveled around theEarth and appeared to different cultures and people,
and I want to know if that'sreally true. There's nothing in scripture
that says that he traveled around todifferent cultures and people. Okay, so
that you can put that aside.I was right where it says I was,
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and in scripture it's quite specific.The only problem is translation. A
lot of people get confused because theApostles Creed states regarding me, he descended
into Hell during that time, andso people go what what does that mean?
And why is God in hell?And that doesn't make any sense,
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And then people try and make senseof it that, oh, well,
they were heaping more judgment upon him. So imagine this, I just get
off the cross, I'm dead,I'm now in the tomb, I'm wrapped
up, I resurrect, And inbetween that time they're saying, well,
maybe there was a reason for meto have taken on more sin or more
punishment, and that's why I wentto hell. And that's not the case.
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The confusion comes from the translations ofcertain words in Hebrew scriptures that refers
something that's often translated as hell asactually the word shoal, and then it
really kind of means the place ofthe dead. And then in the New
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Testament, in the Greek, there'sa word that is hades and that is
translated as the place of the deador sometimes hell. Both of these are
technically temporary places for the dead.One a holding of those that are good,
and want a holding of those thatare bad. Paradise is also a
translation of the good place. Soif you remember on the cross, what
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do I say to the thief?Today? You will be with me where
exactly? So it's a very specificterm used in context that's referring to the
good place of the dead. Soas my body lay in the tomb,
my spirit goes to paradise, andthen I took those that were in paradise
when I ascended into heaven. Theproblem with all of this, it's not
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only the translation, sometimes the word. There's a huge problem with the consistency
with many translations is that they'll sayhell in one place, and then they'll
say place of the dead somewhere else. Then they'll say the grave somewhere else,
and it gets confusing. But really, in the context of things,
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you're also dealing with something that dealswith the time continuum, which you're bound
to. You have a yesterday,today, and tomorrow, and then you
have the spiritual things and the thingsoutside of this world that don't have a
yesterday, today, and tomorrow.So it's hard for us, oh boy,
isn't it. So there's so muchof that that gets kind of wrapped
(25:53):
up in it. It's like,well, where's this and when's this?
And all of these things, Andscripture says to be absent from the body
is to be present with the Lordand all these good things. But what
I can tell you is that itis the belief of this program that the
simplest understanding of scripture is the best, and that is that I was in
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the grave and not on the badside. Hell doesn't exist technically at this
point. Hell in as far asthe place of judgment happens much later after
what is referred to as the GreatWhite Throne judgment in Revelation twenty eleven through
fifteen. So all of these thingsput together, as if it couldn't be
(26:40):
more convoluted, All these things puttogether become very difficult when you're dealing with
the time continuum and all of that. But ultimately, I did not go
to Hell, the place that peoplebelieve when they think of Hell. It's
kind of a translation issue dealing withplace of the dead. And so that's
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what took place. And there's theother theories about going to different cultures are
going around the world at that pointdoesn't make a whole lot of sense either
and is not talked about. Ifyou remember after the resurrection, some people
forget this. You're looking at aboutforty days that I was on the earth,
so before the ascension, so you'reseeing me connect with all kinds of
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people. What Scripture describes is overfive hundred people at times, including those
that were followers and the like.During that period. There's no talk necessarily
about traveling everywhere in the world andmeeting everyone and those types of things.
There always seems to be this,there's a great desire that anytime I'm gone
(27:45):
for any matter of time, orthere's something it's not that interesting to talk
about. Like you know, whenI was growing up for those eighteen years,
people go, well, I've beenlost and you're in Tibet, right,
No, I was building things withmy foster father Joseph. That's it.
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Not very exciting, not a wholelot to write about. So it
just wasn't written about. But yousee that later on that people will say
when I started doing miracles. Butwait a second, is that Jesus the
son of Joseph the carpenter. Andif I was gone for eighteen years,
nobody's gonna recognize me. It sayswhat I was doing. I was in
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the carpentry shop building things. SoI don't know what it is this desire
to fill in those blanks in Scriptureall the time was some sort of opportunity
of going to other places and learningother things or teaching other things, because
it's just it doesn't fit in tothe narrative as it stands. The clearest
understanding of what takes place during thattime between my death and the resurrection is
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that I went to what I referredto on the cross as paradise. And
that was not some sort of yeah, you know, it wasn't some sort
of hell where I was taking onmore punishment. On the cross, I
said to tell U sty The termhas been disputed in some sense. It's
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often translated to mean the end,or it is done, or it is
finished, and some even say thatit's an old it's an old merchant's term
for paid in full. Regardless,the most important thing to see is the
finality of the statement that I'm sayingit is done. It's not like it's
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done for now. I've got togo down to Hell and take on some
more and then it will be reallyfinished. But it's done now too.
That wasn't the point, and that'snot what's being stated. It was a
stage of finality, and I wantedto make that clear, to tell a
stye, it is finished. Remember, we're at a time more importantly than
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all of this. I am withyou Always. Kf I A M six
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