April 22, 2024 • 35 mins
Tori is at Shannen Doherty's house for the ultimate girl talk sesh!
The boyfriends, the birds, the Brians and the Ryans!
Plus, a confession that Tori made at the altar that has us clutching our pearls!
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Okay, this is a super special episode because I am
at the most amazing home. By the way, can I
just like rent out when I have money, like a
corner of your house just to do my podcast weekly?
Because this is stunning. I'm with my longtime friend Shannon
(00:36):
and we are here on a new episode of Misspelling.
We just did your episode. I feel like we talked
about everything. Is there anything else? I'm just kidding. We
have so much history, you guys, like we could literally
do old season of stories.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, I mean we you know, had four hours in
a plane and we didn't stop talking. Yeah. No, So
we just got back from steel Car still sitting gone.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Easy for you to say, Yeah, we did an autograph
signing convention. Shannon did it on her birthday, like over
that weekend, which is very admirable, and we flew home
on private jet. I like saying it's your private chat
because it just sounds like.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
He just likes to say it's mine. Awesome, Okay, it
sounds exier for the story. But it's my best friend
christ Yeah, it's his. But yeah, you know, you have
your own pillow, so it's yours.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yes, fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yes, sure, as long as I don't have to puy
for it on fine.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Great.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I also didn't make enough money to do that yet.
But yeah, no, he's very gracious.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay, this is something only because you said Shannon, you know,
worked on her birthday weekend. I got there. I flew
in Friday, which was my birthday. I was never scheduled
to be at the convention on Friday. Ever. I was
always scheduled to be there Saturday and Sunday. So it
was always that way, right, always that way. But I
(02:03):
got there Saturday, and it wasn't just one fan, it
was everybody in my line was like, oh my god,
we came yesterday because you were supposed to be here yesterday.
And it just reminded me of being in my early
twenties and being blamed by other people for freaking everything yes,
(02:26):
And I sat there being like, oh my god, I
don't want these people to think that I'm just canceling
haphazardly and I don't care about their time and their
money wasted, which is why I said something in the
panel where I was like, I was never scheduled to
be here on Friday, because I just thought, I'm not
going down this path because I'm doing a nine h
two zero convention. I'm not going down this path. Where
(02:47):
all of a sudden, I started getting blamed again for everything.
I was like, absolutely not this. I was never supposed
to be here. But it's funny how moments like that
trigger you back into another time period.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah you regress, yes to that moment. Yeah wow, I
mean I don't even know what to say, Like that
is something and.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You will shoulder that forever.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Like that blame for things that happened didn't happen. It's
just one of those things that it's hard not to
let it define you. But it's like that thing. They're like, no,
I've moved past that, but what do you do? Like
it's one of those things like I know you speak out,
but like a lot of times when people blame me
for stuff, like I don't even want to say anything.
(03:31):
It's just like do comment? Do you not comment? Because
it doesn't matter. They're going to think what they think anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I think there are some things that you have to
clear up, okay, because I think they're so incredibly personal.
My divorce, for instance, like I had to clear up
some of that stuff because it just felt it felt
very wrong to me, you know. And I started a
podcast called Let's Be Clear because they do want to
be clear, because my entire purpose of doing this podcast
(03:58):
is to relive a lot of my life and take
responsibility and accountability for all the things that I did wrong,
which is plenty right, like I messed up a lot,
but also to go, I didn't do this, this, this, this,
and this, and as a woman back then, what I
was doing back then would have been applauded today.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
What's really interesting is there's a agent slash. I guess
he's now a manager who is married to someone blah
blah blah. Anyway, he wrote in her comment section. I
almost like put it on my Instagram just to show
that even though we've made great strides in this business,
there are still people like this guy who feel like
(04:41):
they can bully and harass a woman publicly and refer
to things that A he doesn't know about. B He
wasn't there and there's zero proof, right, Like he was like, Oh,
she's the one who you know got fired from Nineers. No,
she's the one who's had problems with everybody. She's the
one who's done this, Like he listed a whole thing
and basically was trying to call me a liar. And
(05:03):
I read the comment and I was like, oh my god,
I thought we had rooted out all of you men
talking about I know, but I thought we'd rooted men
out like that in the business. But I guess we
still have some that we need to yeah, haul out
of there.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
But I mean, especially back then, Yeah, you couldn't say
anything because there was no platform to say anything, no platform,
and we were schooled that, you know, you don't make
a comment. Everything goes through a publicist, and we're almost
like coached how to speak. And like I look at
interviews from nine or two to zero and I'm like,
it's not even my voice, Like, oh my god, I
(05:40):
had a different voice. I was being so not authentically
me because I was you know, there's so many people
that are like you just say this, this is what's happening,
and you go, okay, okay, okay, And so how do
you stand up for yourself publicly and get to people
and reach them. I mean, now we are lucky because
we can just say what we want and we control
(06:02):
to a certain degree our own narrative because we have
our own platforms.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
My mom was like, you got to watch this last night,
and it was on YouTube me in an interview with
our Cineo hall and on nine into and oh and
I we.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Loved him er the yate we always saw there.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Oh my god, that's right my voice. I'm going to
try to imitate my voice. Back then, it was like, well,
you know, I think that maybe it's just that I
like it was a baby voice. Yes, And I don't
know if if I put that voice on for those
interviews or if it was just before I became a smoker.
(06:46):
I mean, not that I smoke anymore obviously, but no,
you know, preparation, like.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Like finding your own voice. It stood for that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, we all have a different voice.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Jason's voice is different back then. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Don't you think Ian's voice is the same. Yep, I
think Gabs is the same.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think Jen's kind of sounds the same. I think
Brian obviously changed throughout the show because he went through puberty.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Literally puberty on the show. For him, We love him
only he could go through puberty on the show and
look good, like sound good.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You were obsessed with him, I know, wait, okay, so.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
We've shared a lot of things over the years. I
did not know until I listened to your podcast that
you hooked up with Brian.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh my god, what yeah yeah, way later, like maybe
never mind, maybe I was doing Charmed. I don't know.
It was so much later and I was living at
the Marmott House. But it was really short lived. It
was short and it wasn't like it's like we tried
(07:58):
something and then we just went and yeah, this is
gonna work. Like the kissing didn't even make sense. Like
we were like, this is not I.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Can't even imagine you guys kissing.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I know, I know, I can't imagine it now either, right,
Like that's why I didn't go anywhere, because it was awkward.
It was super awkward. We were like, this is not
I mean, of you guys would have been super hot together,
but I just yeah, it was so like there was
no fireworks because we were so close and we hadn't
known each other since we were like little kids essentially,
(08:27):
so there was just no And I love Brian, He's
one of my favorite humans, but there was no spark.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Wow, So we've shared even more than I thought. There
you go.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
We shared Brian Saliva. It's not that bad. So wait.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So we were just looking at photos because I'm clearing
out my storage and found all these crazy photos from
our trips and we used to travel a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Oh oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So my seventeen year old was looking at these and
he's like, Shan, it's hot. And I was like, whoa,
that's so crazy because we were like his age. Then yeah, anyway,
I found a picture in Maui, so you got engaged.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I don't even remember getting engaged, now we did. I
think I blocked that out.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I was here with the bad boyfriend. Oh yeah, but
there is also a picture of oh my god, wait
for it, the bird.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
The bird.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So here's me, here's the bad boyfriend, here's Shan, and
here's Charlie Bird. It was a female, the collectest parrot
that they allowed you those days to buy on the
street in Lahina and take home with you right like
on the plane, like it was fine, like something crazy.
What happened to Charlie Bird? Well, the bad boyfriend went
(09:50):
on to I was working every day and there are
a lot of work. Didn't know, it's like a small child.
And I would come home home and every night when
I would get home, I'd be like Charlie Bird and
she would have my voice, and she was.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Like Charlie Bird.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And I'd go to the cage and give her kisses.
Then i'd go like settle down from the day from
set and take her out. This one night I got
home and she was really fired up. I learned later
that he was a smoker and he would smoke and
blow it on her. Oh my, And I didn't know this,
(10:29):
so he was like torturing this poor bird.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Did she get cancer? Like what happened with her in Fysima?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Like? No, she got pissed. And so when I walked in.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I walked in and I was like.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I didn't know what had happened that day.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
And I was like, hi, Charlie Bird.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And she would always come up to the cage and
she gave me a little kisses. She bit me and
she bit through my nose. It was like eight stitches,
but the nose was like split open, and she was
screaming attached to my nose through the cage. And I
was like in and I was like, oh my god,
what's going to happen? So I was like, you're okay,
it's okay, hey, Charlie Bird. So she finally let go
(11:07):
and I just remember, what's wet?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Like this is.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I went to the bathroom, looked in the mirror, and
I just couldn't. I didn't even know if I had
a nose. It was like blood everywhere, which is so
ironic because you know, my nose was always my thing.
I was always like, oh, I hate my nose, got
a nose job, like whatever, and then all of a sudden,
bit off my nose. I'm like perfect. So anyway, I
(11:37):
called and I was like, oh, I'm bleeding. The bird
bit my nose. Remember he used to go casinos all
the time with my money. Yes, he was at the
Commerce casino and yeah. He was like I'm playing poker.
I can't come get you. You're gonna have to call
your parents. And I was like, oh my god, my
parents hate him, like they're gonna fault him and be
(11:59):
like why isn't your live in boyfriend take you to
the er. But cool, I was like, yeah, great, hope
you win, babe, because that's my money you're gambling. Anyway,
I called my mom and she called a plastic surgeon
and we went. I got sewed up, but I have
a scar forever.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Did you get rid of Charlie Bird?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So my mom's like, you have to get rid of
the bird. I'm like, no, you have to will these
birds like they live forever. So do you remember Nick
SCILATCHI make up artist. Yeah, he took it because he
and his wife had a farm, and he took Charlie.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I feel like that's the story of I don't know
if this ever happened to when you were younger, but
when you know your dog like somehow mysteriously is no
longer around and your parents are like, oh no, like
so he was just he needed more space to run.
So we you know, he's now in a big farm.
I feel like that's Charlie bird where it's like he
(12:54):
went to a farm.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Uh. No, Charlie actually went to Nick's house because the
cage went there and everything. Do they still have Charlie?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I stopped asking because they do live a really long
eighty years. Yeah, that bird and they're smart.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, she knows what she did.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
She was pissed. Well, yeah, she probably was like do
you know what you have done? Do you know me
with this?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
And I had no idea, right, So I'm going to
jog your memory now, okay, please do So we were
in Maui and it was me and you and and
you guys got engaged. He took you one day, we
did everything together. One day, he took you to the waterfall.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
He proposed to you.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You guys came back and you had a beautiful ring.
You were super excited. We all celebrated, and then I
don't know what happened, but you guys got into a
fight about something and he did something horrible as usual,
and the next day he went some dude thing. I
don't know what would they have done. Who knows. Something
(14:03):
that's drinking, probably something we didn't go. And you were
so pissed that you were like, okay. We went down
to the store in the hotel and a little boutique,
and you were like, what's the most expensive thing in
this store? Because his credit card was down for the
room for the room, and there was a locked case
(14:25):
of like glass animals. When you picked this dolphin, it
had uplighting in this shelf and it was this huge time.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I always love dolphins.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It was like twelve inch really dolphin, and it was
ginormous and gorgeous and we bought it and it was
like thirty five hundred dollars and we went upstairs and
they came back. We didn't think they were coming back yet,
(14:55):
and he was back, and all I know is I
was like, are you okay? And You're like, I'm going
to go talk to him, and you went and we
were next door, and I was just like cannicked with
like the glass against the wall, like she okay, okay,
what's happening, And yeah, you something happened. You proceed to
smash that crystal dolphin all over.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
That explains why I don't have it.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
We didn't come back with it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
We did not come back with it, but we came
back with Charlie Bird.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
So I'm a hoarder. So I really wanted that dolphin
to come back with us.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You know, I think that there are some things that
I block out, and that was probably one of them,
or maybe it just didn't seem as significant to me
to like keep it stored in my memory. I you know,
I listen, I look back at like all of my
engagements and except for like one or two, and I'm
(15:53):
pretty sure that I mean, I know I said yes
all the time, but I think it was very shortly
after I said yes that I always regretted it, and
sometimes I didn't want to say yes, but I felt
really bad saying no to someone when they were down
on one knee, so I'd say yes, knowing I was
going to break up with them later. And I think
that that was the case in that relationship too, Like
(16:14):
I just knew it wasn't going to be you know,
my like my person forever. But you know, we had
this conversation on the plane also about about men and
why you stay in relationships sometimes like you. I've seen
you in a bunch.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yes you have, and all these years later, it's hard
for me to think of you, who, in my mind
is so strong and can fight anything and go through anything,
and such a warrior like even tolerate men treating you
a certain way. And I guess that was always part
of our bond, right is that was the you know?
(16:55):
I mean, business wise, you're as savvy as they come,
and you don't allow yourself to be treated you know,
unfairly or anyone around you that you care about, But
when it comes to personal relationships, you crumble.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Fair, fair, very fair. I think I've suffered from a
fear of being alone so much that I'll get into
relationship and I stay for a long time, and then
it becomes about being too comfortable, or in some cases
like yours, in your marriage, perhaps it becomes more of
(17:37):
if somebody tells you that your has been you're washed up,
you're ugly, you're this, you're that enough times enough times,
and God knows this has happened to me, you start
believing it, and then you end up having no confidence
and that fear really takes hold where it's what am
(17:59):
I gonna do? I'm going to leave them and I'm
I'm all of these awful things that this person is
saying that I am. Who's ever going to want to
be with me? I think that that always played a
part in my life, and I think that it's played
a part in yours as well.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I've definitely had that in past relationships. I do have
to say Dean never did that part, Like he never
He always made me feel like I was beautiful and
talented that I really get him.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Dean in Canada when we were doing a reboot.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, but yeah, you guys got along.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
We did get along.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But definitely everything you're saying, you know, in kind of
relationships when we're young to fine us. We hang on
to them and they stick with us. It's hard to
get rid of them. But everything you're saying, you know that,
you know constantly he would tell me you're so ugly?
How are you? No one's ever going to want to
be with you. You can't act, you can't. It was horrible
(18:59):
and granted, look at me. I'm like, you know, he's
been sober for twenty five years and he's a different
person now. They tell you we talk on DM on Instagram. No,
he has a baby. Now that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I mean, listen, people, people can grow, they can change,
they can evolve. Can they change some people? They can
grow some people. Yeah, I don't know about the changing.
Attiger doesn't change the stripes, right, That's what my mom
has always said to me, And I wish i'd listen now.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
They just turned gray eventually.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
But I also think cheating, somebody cheating on you can
impact the way that you feel about yourself as well.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah. Yeah, and I've I'm trying to think every guy
I've been with has cheated on me, except my first husband,
who was super nice.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
But yeah, right, so you started a pattern at a
young age of accepting sort of that behavior.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Maybe, yes, I feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Not so much with the cheating. No, I always had
a really really hard line in the sand about cheating.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Okay, I understand that, but setting a tone of acceptance.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I think I settled for less than what I deserved
often except for like Rob for instance, was awesome, great
away friends and interestingly enough like my second husband that
everybody probably thinks I should have a problem with. I
adore like we're Who's Rick and we're really good friends.
(20:31):
He's also fifteen years sober. Yeah, I like him, So
maybe that's what I'm saying. People can change, Like I
think that obviously, you know, drugs can bring out the
worst any human being, and any addiction, the gambling addiction
that Nic had or any of that can really bring
out the worst. But I see a huge I mean,
I think Rick always had like a heart of gold,
(20:55):
and he was you know, never abusive or any of that.
He was just you know, into drugs. But I from
when I was married to him to what I experienced
now in our friendship with him, he has changed. So
(21:18):
I think people can change, but they don't all they
can't often change to the degree that you would need
them to change.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And I think once a cheater, always a cheater. I
just think it's a mentality. I think it's like a
And maybe I'm wrong, and I'm definitely no expert, but.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I I'm a cheater too then, because that's when Deane
and I met. I was married, he was married, so I.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, right, And yet you don't cheat well PbD, Oh
you mean in my eighteen year marriage crowd, But and
you didn't in your previous relationships, not that I remember.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
No, No, you're right, so you.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Know I think that that was I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, out of one m clarify the guy lost my
virginity to Ryan? Remember him?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
M hm?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Oh my god, I've told this story before. Do you
remember the Betsy Johnson dress that you wore in our
biggest cast photo? Is black floral? And you remember?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yes? Oh, and my bangs are super short. I hate
that photo and it just keeps.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Circulating and it's never going to stop, and it's never
gonna stop. Nope, nope. But you guys, I mean we
used to share clothes everything, like you know, so do.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You tell me you lost your virginity in my dress?
Is that regard.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I know, I'm going to say that you wore the
dress I lost my virginity in.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I told you, what do you mean? No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I literally said, there's a blood stained in the back. Yeah,
and you were like.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You were talking about that black dress with the big
red roses on it that had it crossed in the back. Who.
I loved that dress. It was cleaned though that I
just don't think they got that stain out or something.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yes, bloodstains, but it was yeah, yeah, that's what you said.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah, we were going somewhere and I didn't have a
I didn't have anything to wear, so it borrowed that dress.
I loved that dress. And then I got one exactly
like it, but all black.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah. Yeah, but this takes me back.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
But that was like the.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
First guy I was with, and he was great, and
to be honest, I cheated on him with Brian.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
That's how we.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Broke up because I fell head over heels in love
with Brian Green and like.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, okay, this is really interesting. So when you cheated
on him with Brian the first time, did you immediately
end it with Ryan? I mean, first off, can you
confuse yourself more Ryan and Brian.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
No, but it's the running theme in my life.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Or did you carry on and on a thing with
Brian and eventually cut it off with Ryan?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
No, I broke up with Brian.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, like immediately.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
It wasn't immediate like there was here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay, so I don't dude, this is real talk now, kit,
But here's here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I always say, like, Brian with a bee was the
first love of my life. But I was young and
I was caught up in it, and I don't know,
do you feel like I was really in love with
Brian or it was.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Like No, I think it was like teenage obsession, like infatuation. Yes, okay,
that helps me, but also.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Navigate my journey because all I know is going back
to then and it's like, okay, I was with this guy,
like I didn't lose my virginity till I was over eighteen, like,
so it's not like I haphazardly slept with someone like
this guy I met, I thought he was the one,
and and then all of a sudden, you know, there's
Brian and the pilot and he would like make fun
(25:05):
of me, and that always like from the beginning, I like, guys,
that Brian was always nice to me was like pulling
your pigtails, like giving me. He still gives me the gears, Yes,
and I still get riled up.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Of course, it's.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Been thirty years. We're just friends, you know, I love
his fiance, like, it's not that, but if he says
something to me, I get so flustered and riled up,
and it takes me right back to being my like
eighteen year old self and being like, oh my.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So I definitely think it was infatuation. I think it
was also like the sexiness of the moment, right you're
talking about being on a show. All of this stuff
is happening. We're young going out having these experiences. You know,
Brian's always had like some swagger. And then it was
also we all hung out so much that I think
(26:00):
you couldn't help but be infatuated and.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Me, Yeah, I couldn't go back to the manor and
hook up with him.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
So where did I my dohini house?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Always your house?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Sorry, always my house? Yeah. So okay, so interesting because
we're talking about now cheating and men and relationships and
what that feels like to us.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
So what does that make you feel like? As my
friend hearing me say, I've never thought about it this way.
I've never talked to anyone, and like, no, I can't
describe the way I felt or the relationship with Brian,
because no one besides you would understand.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I think you were eighteen years old. So when I
say a tiger doesn't change it stripes, they may, I
have no idea. Maybe maybe men and women who now
can I have spots? I hate stripes, spots. A lever
doesn't change its spots. But I think that there are
certain things you have to give yourself grace on, or
(26:55):
you know, your boyfriend at that time when you're eighteen, nineteen,
twenty twenty one, I'm not quite sure. I know that
you're not a fully developed human being, as we talked
about on my podcast, and you know, you're you're learning
your judgment, you're learning sort of what's right and wrong,
but you're also caught up in all of these feelings
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and emotions, and you've got hormone changes happening, and there's.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
All of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And I don't know if I would say you sleeping
with Brian while with Ryan when you're eighteen years old
makes you a serial cheater that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You're gonna say killer for a second. I got so
scared already. Killer.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Serial cheaters are people who do it in every relationship,
and they don't just cheat on you with one person
multiple they do it with multiple where like literally later
you could be separated, you could be divorced, could be
a month later, it could be ten years later, and
you're getting emails and phone calls from girls being like, oh,
you know, I was with him at this year and
(27:57):
I was with him at that year, and you're like, oh, like,
was anything true? So yeah, those people, to me are
people that will never change. Okay, But I don't know.
Our audience will probably let us know if I'm giving
you too many allowances here because i'm your friend. But
I don't think I am. I think I am very
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clear on the fact that when you're eighteen years old, Sure,
would it have been nice for you to say to Ryan,
I don't think I can be with you anymore because
I have a crush on somebody else. If something happens,
I'm not going to be able to stop it. Sure,
but you weren't even fully developed enough to realize that
you should have that conversation. Your first relationship losing your
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virginity and then having what feels like the love of
your life right in front of your eyes. That's hard.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I mean I often think about, like, especially like rewatching
nine O two and zero now, like what was happening
in our personal lives? Did that dictate what happened with
the characters? And if you go back, it's like, wait,
did they put Donna and David together? Because my dad
knew that, like Brian and I and I was like,
oh my god, briann't. Like I mean, obviously it took
(29:08):
on a life of its own, but yeah, if you
really think about it, why would Donna and David initially
have been paired together? It was odd?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, what happened to your two characters? Like, did you
guys get married at the end?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Did you really?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah? I invited you, you didn't come. The invitation to Brenda
got lost in the mail to the UK somewhere.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
That's really interesting. I don't know what happened with anyone.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yes, And while we were filming the wedding episode, because
Brian and I we read the script and by then
he and I were like a linked force. We were like,
which is funny, Like the two like meek ones in
the beginning didn't have a voice, were the youngest ones.
By the tenth season, we were like not running it,
(29:53):
but we.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
You still had the passion for it.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
We did. We took pride and we were willing to
step up and and jump in where I feel like,
you know, a.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Lot of people not it wanted more time off.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Not nine o two one zero, But when you're on
a show for a long time, you kind of start
getting comfortable phoning it in. Like and Brian and I
were always very you know, we were producers at heart.
We still are so like we were like no, no, no.
So we bonded over that actually, and it was nice
to see us come together not just as friends, co
stars and love interests on the show, you know, crushes.
(30:27):
I'm always hesitant because Brian sees it different. We've never
talked about it, Like when we did BH and O
Trow and they were writing it in about Donna and
David Tory and Brian. You know, the writers were like, yeah,
you know, Brian sees it difference. Like you were like,
oh my god, you were so in love with him,
and he was like, huh, we were just friends, Like
and I was like, Oh, that's a boy and a
(30:47):
girl at that's eighteen.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Bullshit.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I've never asked him.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I'm going to call it bullshit on that. Brian knew
how you felt about him for sure, like he one
hundred percent did. Yeah, But I think I think I
would imagine and I haven't actually had this conversation with him,
but I would imagine that that is also a very
difficult position for him to be in because again, sorry,
(31:12):
producer's daughter, right, working together.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I was always a running thing for me, Like guys
on a show, like guest stars, you know, they would
flirt with you and you'd be like, Oh, they're cute
or nice. And we work constantly, you don't meet other people,
so you'd be like, oh, are they going to take
me out? And that didn't happen because it's like, oh, it's.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Producer's daughter dad show, and not just the producer's daughter
but Aaron Spelling correct, like, you know, one of the
most important, powerful, influential producers of that time period ever.
So I wouldn't have dated you, and yet I did
essentially date you by just we were best friends and
(31:55):
not caring that your dad would get mad at me
that you were getting home super late. But now, for god,
I think that's extremely hard.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And how girls like when like we're out when we're
young and you get drunk and ad guys are like
watching you and so you make out. I think you
were my first friend and we ever did that? Yeah,
like made out for like guys like, oh look right, yeah,
Like we'd be out drinking and they'd be like, oh,
look at the two hot girls from rounds now and
be like, oh, let's show them something.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Let's show let's let's let's give it.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
And then we do and they'd all be like what
and then we'd be like, okay, another rounds cool, like
nothing ever happened. I was circling back.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
To I don't even think there was ever tongue exchange,
Like it was like pretty a flascid kiss. But but
but no, we made it was good guys would Yeah,
it's like the TV kiss Now, you're a good kisser now.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
But circling back to Brian and I so like always
comes back with Brian. Sorry story in my life anyway.
We love you, Sharana, I love Sharna, Oh my god,
nothing about that, like yeah, but during the wedding episode,
we got our vows and we were like, oh, we
(33:02):
know these characters so well at this point and this
is very personal. The fans have been on this journey,
We've been on this journey. And we ended up rewriting
them and wrote our own vows to each other. And
when we went for a rehearsal and the whole big
you know, mastershot, we read the script at one so
(33:23):
that it was real, and then we on camera read
the ones we wrote to each other, so that was
all real. But at the end of the filming the
wedding episode, I remember turning to Jen at one point
and I said, Then she goes, what and I go
I think I'm in love with Brian again. And She's like, no, no,
not doing this again. It's been ten years. We've come
so far. Not doing this again.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Thank you Ginny for cutting that one off.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, And I was like, oh, the lines just got
so blurred. And then I have never and Brian and
I you know how close friend and I are and
I tell him everything, like I'll text him and like
we're brother and sister and like best and so close
that we can have that connection. Like what was this
the reason? Maybe the you know your relationship didn't work
because of this, and I'm like, no, no, no, And I'm
(34:08):
able to talk about things that you know, I wouldn't
be able to with him years ago. Anyway, recently we
were talking about my situation and being in love and
being crushed and being hurt and moving on and now
being single and the next chapter of my life. And
he's been so great and such a champion, and you know,
(34:30):
at times he gives me such inspiring, you know, words
of you can do it professionally and personally. And we
made some commentary and I was saying, like, no, I
was in love. I don't know, maybe I wasn't in love.
I'm not sure. No one's broken in my heart since you.
And there was like pause, pause, and I was like,
(34:52):
oh my god, this is the first time ife said
this to him in thirty years.
Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Okay, this is a super special episode because I am
at the most amazing home. By the way, can I
just like rent out when I have money, like a
corner of your house just to do my podcast weekly?
Because this is stunning. I'm with my longtime friend Shannon
(00:36):
and we are here on a new episode of Misspelling.
We just did your episode. I feel like we talked
about everything. Is there anything else? I'm just kidding. We
have so much history, you guys, like we could literally
do old season of stories.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, I mean we you know, had four hours in
a plane and we didn't stop talking. Yeah. No, So
we just got back from steel Car still sitting gone.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Easy for you to say, Yeah, we did an autograph
signing convention. Shannon did it on her birthday, like over
that weekend, which is very admirable, and we flew home
on private jet. I like saying it's your private chat
because it just sounds like.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
He just likes to say it's mine. Awesome, Okay, it
sounds exier for the story. But it's my best friend
christ Yeah, it's his. But yeah, you know, you have
your own pillow, so it's yours.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yes, fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yes, sure, as long as I don't have to puy
for it on fine.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Great.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I also didn't make enough money to do that yet.
But yeah, no, he's very gracious.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay, this is something only because you said Shannon, you know,
worked on her birthday weekend. I got there. I flew
in Friday, which was my birthday. I was never scheduled
to be at the convention on Friday. Ever. I was
always scheduled to be there Saturday and Sunday. So it
was always that way, right, always that way. But I
(02:03):
got there Saturday, and it wasn't just one fan, it
was everybody in my line was like, oh my god,
we came yesterday because you were supposed to be here yesterday.
And it just reminded me of being in my early
twenties and being blamed by other people for freaking everything yes,
(02:26):
And I sat there being like, oh my god, I
don't want these people to think that I'm just canceling
haphazardly and I don't care about their time and their
money wasted, which is why I said something in the
panel where I was like, I was never scheduled to
be here on Friday, because I just thought, I'm not
going down this path because I'm doing a nine h
two zero convention. I'm not going down this path. Where
(02:47):
all of a sudden, I started getting blamed again for everything.
I was like, absolutely not this. I was never supposed
to be here. But it's funny how moments like that
trigger you back into another time period.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah you regress, yes to that moment. Yeah wow, I
mean I don't even know what to say, Like that
is something and.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You will shoulder that forever.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Like that blame for things that happened didn't happen. It's
just one of those things that it's hard not to
let it define you. But it's like that thing. They're like, no,
I've moved past that, but what do you do? Like
it's one of those things like I know you speak out,
but like a lot of times when people blame me
for stuff, like I don't even want to say anything.
(03:31):
It's just like do comment? Do you not comment? Because
it doesn't matter. They're going to think what they think anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I think there are some things that you have to
clear up, okay, because I think they're so incredibly personal.
My divorce, for instance, like I had to clear up
some of that stuff because it just felt it felt
very wrong to me, you know. And I started a
podcast called Let's Be Clear because they do want to
be clear, because my entire purpose of doing this podcast
(03:58):
is to relive a lot of my life and take
responsibility and accountability for all the things that I did wrong,
which is plenty right, like I messed up a lot,
but also to go, I didn't do this, this, this, this,
and this, and as a woman back then, what I
was doing back then would have been applauded today.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
What's really interesting is there's a agent slash. I guess
he's now a manager who is married to someone blah
blah blah. Anyway, he wrote in her comment section. I
almost like put it on my Instagram just to show
that even though we've made great strides in this business,
there are still people like this guy who feel like
(04:41):
they can bully and harass a woman publicly and refer
to things that A he doesn't know about. B He
wasn't there and there's zero proof, right, Like he was like, Oh,
she's the one who you know got fired from Nineers. No,
she's the one who's had problems with everybody. She's the
one who's done this, Like he listed a whole thing
and basically was trying to call me a liar. And
(05:03):
I read the comment and I was like, oh my god,
I thought we had rooted out all of you men
talking about I know, but I thought we'd rooted men
out like that in the business. But I guess we
still have some that we need to yeah, haul out
of there.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
But I mean, especially back then, Yeah, you couldn't say
anything because there was no platform to say anything, no platform,
and we were schooled that, you know, you don't make
a comment. Everything goes through a publicist, and we're almost
like coached how to speak. And like I look at
interviews from nine or two to zero and I'm like,
it's not even my voice, Like, oh my god, I
(05:40):
had a different voice. I was being so not authentically
me because I was you know, there's so many people
that are like you just say this, this is what's happening,
and you go, okay, okay, okay, And so how do
you stand up for yourself publicly and get to people
and reach them. I mean, now we are lucky because
we can just say what we want and we control
(06:02):
to a certain degree our own narrative because we have
our own platforms.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
My mom was like, you got to watch this last night,
and it was on YouTube me in an interview with
our Cineo hall and on nine into and oh and
I we.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Loved him er the yate we always saw there.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Oh my god, that's right my voice. I'm going to
try to imitate my voice. Back then, it was like, well,
you know, I think that maybe it's just that I
like it was a baby voice. Yes, And I don't
know if if I put that voice on for those
interviews or if it was just before I became a smoker.
(06:46):
I mean, not that I smoke anymore obviously, but no,
you know, preparation, like.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Like finding your own voice. It stood for that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, we all have a different voice.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Jason's voice is different back then. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Don't you think Ian's voice is the same. Yep, I
think Gabs is the same.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think Jen's kind of sounds the same. I think
Brian obviously changed throughout the show because he went through puberty.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Literally puberty on the show. For him, We love him
only he could go through puberty on the show and
look good, like sound good.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You were obsessed with him, I know, wait, okay, so.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
We've shared a lot of things over the years. I
did not know until I listened to your podcast that
you hooked up with Brian.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh my god, what yeah yeah, way later, like maybe
never mind, maybe I was doing Charmed. I don't know.
It was so much later and I was living at
the Marmott House. But it was really short lived. It
was short and it wasn't like it's like we tried
(07:58):
something and then we just went and yeah, this is
gonna work. Like the kissing didn't even make sense. Like
we were like, this is not I.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Can't even imagine you guys kissing.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I know, I know, I can't imagine it now either, right,
Like that's why I didn't go anywhere, because it was awkward.
It was super awkward. We were like, this is not
I mean, of you guys would have been super hot together,
but I just yeah, it was so like there was
no fireworks because we were so close and we hadn't
known each other since we were like little kids essentially,
(08:27):
so there was just no And I love Brian, He's
one of my favorite humans, but there was no spark.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Wow, So we've shared even more than I thought. There
you go.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
We shared Brian Saliva. It's not that bad. So wait.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So we were just looking at photos because I'm clearing
out my storage and found all these crazy photos from
our trips and we used to travel a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Oh oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So my seventeen year old was looking at these and
he's like, Shan, it's hot. And I was like, whoa,
that's so crazy because we were like his age. Then yeah, anyway,
I found a picture in Maui, so you got engaged.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I don't even remember getting engaged, now we did. I
think I blocked that out.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I was here with the bad boyfriend. Oh yeah, but
there is also a picture of oh my god, wait
for it, the bird.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
The bird.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So here's me, here's the bad boyfriend, here's Shan, and
here's Charlie Bird. It was a female, the collectest parrot
that they allowed you those days to buy on the
street in Lahina and take home with you right like
on the plane, like it was fine, like something crazy.
What happened to Charlie Bird? Well, the bad boyfriend went
(09:50):
on to I was working every day and there are
a lot of work. Didn't know, it's like a small child.
And I would come home home and every night when
I would get home, I'd be like Charlie Bird and
she would have my voice, and she was.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Like Charlie Bird.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And I'd go to the cage and give her kisses.
Then i'd go like settle down from the day from
set and take her out. This one night I got
home and she was really fired up. I learned later
that he was a smoker and he would smoke and
blow it on her. Oh my, And I didn't know this,
(10:29):
so he was like torturing this poor bird.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Did she get cancer? Like what happened with her in Fysima?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Like? No, she got pissed. And so when I walked in.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I walked in and I was like.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I didn't know what had happened that day.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
And I was like, hi, Charlie Bird.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And she would always come up to the cage and
she gave me a little kisses. She bit me and
she bit through my nose. It was like eight stitches,
but the nose was like split open, and she was
screaming attached to my nose through the cage. And I
was like in and I was like, oh my god,
what's going to happen? So I was like, you're okay,
it's okay, hey, Charlie Bird. So she finally let go
(11:07):
and I just remember, what's wet?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Like this is.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I went to the bathroom, looked in the mirror, and
I just couldn't. I didn't even know if I had
a nose. It was like blood everywhere, which is so
ironic because you know, my nose was always my thing.
I was always like, oh, I hate my nose, got
a nose job, like whatever, and then all of a sudden,
bit off my nose. I'm like perfect. So anyway, I
(11:37):
called and I was like, oh, I'm bleeding. The bird
bit my nose. Remember he used to go casinos all
the time with my money. Yes, he was at the
Commerce casino and yeah. He was like I'm playing poker.
I can't come get you. You're gonna have to call
your parents. And I was like, oh my god, my
parents hate him, like they're gonna fault him and be
(11:59):
like why isn't your live in boyfriend take you to
the er. But cool, I was like, yeah, great, hope
you win, babe, because that's my money you're gambling. Anyway,
I called my mom and she called a plastic surgeon
and we went. I got sewed up, but I have
a scar forever.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Did you get rid of Charlie Bird?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So my mom's like, you have to get rid of
the bird. I'm like, no, you have to will these
birds like they live forever. So do you remember Nick
SCILATCHI make up artist. Yeah, he took it because he
and his wife had a farm, and he took Charlie.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I feel like that's the story of I don't know
if this ever happened to when you were younger, but
when you know your dog like somehow mysteriously is no
longer around and your parents are like, oh no, like
so he was just he needed more space to run.
So we you know, he's now in a big farm.
I feel like that's Charlie bird where it's like he
(12:54):
went to a farm.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Uh. No, Charlie actually went to Nick's house because the
cage went there and everything. Do they still have Charlie?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I stopped asking because they do live a really long
eighty years. Yeah, that bird and they're smart.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, she knows what she did.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
She was pissed. Well, yeah, she probably was like do
you know what you have done? Do you know me
with this?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
And I had no idea, right, So I'm going to
jog your memory now, okay, please do So we were
in Maui and it was me and you and and
you guys got engaged. He took you one day, we
did everything together. One day, he took you to the waterfall.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
He proposed to you.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You guys came back and you had a beautiful ring.
You were super excited. We all celebrated, and then I
don't know what happened, but you guys got into a
fight about something and he did something horrible as usual,
and the next day he went some dude thing. I
don't know what would they have done. Who knows. Something
(14:03):
that's drinking, probably something we didn't go. And you were
so pissed that you were like, okay. We went down
to the store in the hotel and a little boutique,
and you were like, what's the most expensive thing in
this store? Because his credit card was down for the
room for the room, and there was a locked case
(14:25):
of like glass animals. When you picked this dolphin, it
had uplighting in this shelf and it was this huge time.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I always love dolphins.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It was like twelve inch really dolphin, and it was
ginormous and gorgeous and we bought it and it was
like thirty five hundred dollars and we went upstairs and
they came back. We didn't think they were coming back yet,
(14:55):
and he was back, and all I know is I
was like, are you okay? And You're like, I'm going
to go talk to him, and you went and we
were next door, and I was just like cannicked with
like the glass against the wall, like she okay, okay,
what's happening, And yeah, you something happened. You proceed to
smash that crystal dolphin all over.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
That explains why I don't have it.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
We didn't come back with it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
We did not come back with it, but we came
back with Charlie Bird.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
So I'm a hoarder. So I really wanted that dolphin
to come back with us.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You know, I think that there are some things that
I block out, and that was probably one of them,
or maybe it just didn't seem as significant to me
to like keep it stored in my memory. I you know,
I listen, I look back at like all of my
engagements and except for like one or two, and I'm
(15:53):
pretty sure that I mean, I know I said yes
all the time, but I think it was very shortly
after I said yes that I always regretted it, and
sometimes I didn't want to say yes, but I felt
really bad saying no to someone when they were down
on one knee, so I'd say yes, knowing I was
going to break up with them later. And I think
that that was the case in that relationship too, Like
(16:14):
I just knew it wasn't going to be you know,
my like my person forever. But you know, we had
this conversation on the plane also about about men and
why you stay in relationships sometimes like you. I've seen
you in a bunch.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yes you have, and all these years later, it's hard
for me to think of you, who, in my mind
is so strong and can fight anything and go through anything,
and such a warrior like even tolerate men treating you
a certain way. And I guess that was always part
of our bond, right is that was the you know?
(16:55):
I mean, business wise, you're as savvy as they come,
and you don't allow yourself to be treated you know,
unfairly or anyone around you that you care about, But
when it comes to personal relationships, you crumble.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Fair, fair, very fair. I think I've suffered from a
fear of being alone so much that I'll get into
relationship and I stay for a long time, and then
it becomes about being too comfortable, or in some cases
like yours, in your marriage, perhaps it becomes more of
(17:37):
if somebody tells you that your has been you're washed up,
you're ugly, you're this, you're that enough times enough times,
and God knows this has happened to me, you start
believing it, and then you end up having no confidence
and that fear really takes hold where it's what am
(17:59):
I gonna do? I'm going to leave them and I'm
I'm all of these awful things that this person is
saying that I am. Who's ever going to want to
be with me? I think that that always played a
part in my life, and I think that it's played
a part in yours as well.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I've definitely had that in past relationships. I do have
to say Dean never did that part, Like he never
He always made me feel like I was beautiful and
talented that I really get him.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Dean in Canada when we were doing a reboot.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, but yeah, you guys got along.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
We did get along.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But definitely everything you're saying, you know, in kind of
relationships when we're young to fine us. We hang on
to them and they stick with us. It's hard to
get rid of them. But everything you're saying, you know that,
you know constantly he would tell me you're so ugly?
How are you? No one's ever going to want to
be with you. You can't act, you can't. It was horrible
(18:59):
and granted, look at me. I'm like, you know, he's
been sober for twenty five years and he's a different
person now. They tell you we talk on DM on Instagram. No,
he has a baby. Now that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I mean, listen, people, people can grow, they can change,
they can evolve. Can they change some people? They can
grow some people. Yeah, I don't know about the changing.
Attiger doesn't change the stripes, right, That's what my mom
has always said to me, And I wish i'd listen now.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
They just turned gray eventually.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
But I also think cheating, somebody cheating on you can
impact the way that you feel about yourself as well.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah. Yeah, and I've I'm trying to think every guy
I've been with has cheated on me, except my first husband,
who was super nice.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
But yeah, right, so you started a pattern at a
young age of accepting sort of that behavior.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Maybe, yes, I feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Not so much with the cheating. No, I always had
a really really hard line in the sand about cheating.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Okay, I understand that, but setting a tone of acceptance.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I think I settled for less than what I deserved
often except for like Rob for instance, was awesome, great
away friends and interestingly enough like my second husband that
everybody probably thinks I should have a problem with. I
adore like we're Who's Rick and we're really good friends.
(20:31):
He's also fifteen years sober. Yeah, I like him, So
maybe that's what I'm saying. People can change, Like I
think that obviously, you know, drugs can bring out the
worst any human being, and any addiction, the gambling addiction
that Nic had or any of that can really bring
out the worst. But I see a huge I mean,
I think Rick always had like a heart of gold,
(20:55):
and he was you know, never abusive or any of that.
He was just you know, into drugs. But I from
when I was married to him to what I experienced
now in our friendship with him, he has changed. So
(21:18):
I think people can change, but they don't all they
can't often change to the degree that you would need
them to change.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And I think once a cheater, always a cheater. I
just think it's a mentality. I think it's like a
And maybe I'm wrong, and I'm definitely no expert, but.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I I'm a cheater too then, because that's when Deane
and I met. I was married, he was married, so I.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, right, And yet you don't cheat well PbD, Oh
you mean in my eighteen year marriage crowd, But and
you didn't in your previous relationships, not that I remember.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
No, No, you're right, so you.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Know I think that that was I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, out of one m clarify the guy lost my
virginity to Ryan? Remember him?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
M hm?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Oh my god, I've told this story before. Do you
remember the Betsy Johnson dress that you wore in our
biggest cast photo? Is black floral? And you remember?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yes? Oh, and my bangs are super short. I hate
that photo and it just keeps.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Circulating and it's never going to stop, and it's never
gonna stop. Nope, nope. But you guys, I mean we
used to share clothes everything, like you know, so do.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You tell me you lost your virginity in my dress?
Is that regard.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I know, I'm going to say that you wore the
dress I lost my virginity in.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I told you, what do you mean? No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I literally said, there's a blood stained in the back. Yeah,
and you were like.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You were talking about that black dress with the big
red roses on it that had it crossed in the back. Who.
I loved that dress. It was cleaned though that I
just don't think they got that stain out or something.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yes, bloodstains, but it was yeah, yeah, that's what you said.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah, we were going somewhere and I didn't have a
I didn't have anything to wear, so it borrowed that dress.
I loved that dress. And then I got one exactly
like it, but all black.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah. Yeah, but this takes me back.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
But that was like the.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
First guy I was with, and he was great, and
to be honest, I cheated on him with Brian.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
That's how we.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Broke up because I fell head over heels in love
with Brian Green and like.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, okay, this is really interesting. So when you cheated
on him with Brian the first time, did you immediately
end it with Ryan? I mean, first off, can you
confuse yourself more Ryan and Brian.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
No, but it's the running theme in my life.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Or did you carry on and on a thing with
Brian and eventually cut it off with Ryan?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
No, I broke up with Brian.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, like immediately.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
It wasn't immediate like there was here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay, so I don't dude, this is real talk now, kit,
But here's here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I always say, like, Brian with a bee was the
first love of my life. But I was young and
I was caught up in it, and I don't know,
do you feel like I was really in love with
Brian or it was.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Like No, I think it was like teenage obsession, like infatuation. Yes, okay,
that helps me, but also.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Navigate my journey because all I know is going back
to then and it's like, okay, I was with this guy,
like I didn't lose my virginity till I was over eighteen, like,
so it's not like I haphazardly slept with someone like
this guy I met, I thought he was the one,
and and then all of a sudden, you know, there's
Brian and the pilot and he would like make fun
(25:05):
of me, and that always like from the beginning, I like, guys,
that Brian was always nice to me was like pulling
your pigtails, like giving me. He still gives me the gears, Yes,
and I still get riled up.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Of course, it's.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Been thirty years. We're just friends, you know, I love
his fiance, like, it's not that, but if he says
something to me, I get so flustered and riled up,
and it takes me right back to being my like
eighteen year old self and being like, oh my.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So I definitely think it was infatuation. I think it
was also like the sexiness of the moment, right you're
talking about being on a show. All of this stuff
is happening. We're young going out having these experiences. You know,
Brian's always had like some swagger. And then it was
also we all hung out so much that I think
(26:00):
you couldn't help but be infatuated and.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Me, Yeah, I couldn't go back to the manor and
hook up with him.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
So where did I my dohini house?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Always your house?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Sorry, always my house? Yeah. So okay, so interesting because
we're talking about now cheating and men and relationships and
what that feels like to us.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
So what does that make you feel like? As my
friend hearing me say, I've never thought about it this way.
I've never talked to anyone, and like, no, I can't
describe the way I felt or the relationship with Brian,
because no one besides you would understand.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I think you were eighteen years old. So when I
say a tiger doesn't change it stripes, they may, I
have no idea. Maybe maybe men and women who now
can I have spots? I hate stripes, spots. A lever
doesn't change its spots. But I think that there are
certain things you have to give yourself grace on, or
(26:55):
you know, your boyfriend at that time when you're eighteen, nineteen,
twenty twenty one, I'm not quite sure. I know that
you're not a fully developed human being, as we talked
about on my podcast, and you know, you're you're learning
your judgment, you're learning sort of what's right and wrong,
but you're also caught up in all of these feelings
(27:15):
and emotions, and you've got hormone changes happening, and there's.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
All of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And I don't know if I would say you sleeping
with Brian while with Ryan when you're eighteen years old
makes you a serial cheater that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You're gonna say killer for a second. I got so
scared already. Killer.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Serial cheaters are people who do it in every relationship,
and they don't just cheat on you with one person
multiple they do it with multiple where like literally later
you could be separated, you could be divorced, could be
a month later, it could be ten years later, and
you're getting emails and phone calls from girls being like, oh,
you know, I was with him at this year and
(27:57):
I was with him at that year, and you're like, oh, like,
was anything true? So yeah, those people, to me are
people that will never change. Okay, But I don't know.
Our audience will probably let us know if I'm giving
you too many allowances here because i'm your friend. But
I don't think I am. I think I am very
(28:18):
clear on the fact that when you're eighteen years old, Sure,
would it have been nice for you to say to Ryan,
I don't think I can be with you anymore because
I have a crush on somebody else. If something happens,
I'm not going to be able to stop it. Sure,
but you weren't even fully developed enough to realize that
you should have that conversation. Your first relationship losing your
(28:42):
virginity and then having what feels like the love of
your life right in front of your eyes. That's hard.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I mean I often think about, like, especially like rewatching
nine O two and zero now, like what was happening
in our personal lives? Did that dictate what happened with
the characters? And if you go back, it's like, wait,
did they put Donna and David together? Because my dad
knew that, like Brian and I and I was like,
oh my god, briann't. Like I mean, obviously it took
(29:08):
on a life of its own, but yeah, if you
really think about it, why would Donna and David initially
have been paired together? It was odd?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, what happened to your two characters? Like, did you
guys get married at the end?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Did you really?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah? I invited you, you didn't come. The invitation to Brenda
got lost in the mail to the UK somewhere.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
That's really interesting. I don't know what happened with anyone.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yes, And while we were filming the wedding episode, because
Brian and I we read the script and by then
he and I were like a linked force. We were like,
which is funny, Like the two like meek ones in
the beginning didn't have a voice, were the youngest ones.
By the tenth season, we were like not running it,
(29:53):
but we.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
You still had the passion for it.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
We did. We took pride and we were willing to
step up and and jump in where I feel like,
you know, a.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Lot of people not it wanted more time off.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Not nine o two one zero, But when you're on
a show for a long time, you kind of start
getting comfortable phoning it in. Like and Brian and I
were always very you know, we were producers at heart.
We still are so like we were like no, no, no.
So we bonded over that actually, and it was nice
to see us come together not just as friends, co
stars and love interests on the show, you know, crushes.
(30:27):
I'm always hesitant because Brian sees it different. We've never
talked about it, Like when we did BH and O
Trow and they were writing it in about Donna and
David Tory and Brian. You know, the writers were like, yeah,
you know, Brian sees it difference. Like you were like,
oh my god, you were so in love with him,
and he was like, huh, we were just friends, Like
and I was like, Oh, that's a boy and a
(30:47):
girl at that's eighteen.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Bullshit.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I've never asked him.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I'm going to call it bullshit on that. Brian knew
how you felt about him for sure, like he one
hundred percent did. Yeah, But I think I think I
would imagine and I haven't actually had this conversation with him,
but I would imagine that that is also a very
difficult position for him to be in because again, sorry,
(31:12):
producer's daughter, right, working together.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I was always a running thing for me, Like guys
on a show, like guest stars, you know, they would
flirt with you and you'd be like, Oh, they're cute
or nice. And we work constantly, you don't meet other people,
so you'd be like, oh, are they going to take
me out? And that didn't happen because it's like, oh, it's.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Producer's daughter dad show, and not just the producer's daughter
but Aaron Spelling correct, like, you know, one of the
most important, powerful, influential producers of that time period ever.
So I wouldn't have dated you, and yet I did
essentially date you by just we were best friends and
(31:55):
not caring that your dad would get mad at me
that you were getting home super late. But now, for god,
I think that's extremely hard.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And how girls like when like we're out when we're
young and you get drunk and ad guys are like
watching you and so you make out. I think you
were my first friend and we ever did that? Yeah,
like made out for like guys like, oh look right, yeah,
Like we'd be out drinking and they'd be like, oh,
look at the two hot girls from rounds now and
be like, oh, let's show them something.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Let's show let's let's let's give it.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
And then we do and they'd all be like what
and then we'd be like, okay, another rounds cool, like
nothing ever happened. I was circling back.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
To I don't even think there was ever tongue exchange,
Like it was like pretty a flascid kiss. But but
but no, we made it was good guys would Yeah,
it's like the TV kiss Now, you're a good kisser now.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
But circling back to Brian and I so like always
comes back with Brian. Sorry story in my life anyway.
We love you, Sharana, I love Sharna, Oh my god,
nothing about that, like yeah, but during the wedding episode,
we got our vows and we were like, oh, we
(33:02):
know these characters so well at this point and this
is very personal. The fans have been on this journey,
We've been on this journey. And we ended up rewriting
them and wrote our own vows to each other. And
when we went for a rehearsal and the whole big
you know, mastershot, we read the script at one so
(33:23):
that it was real, and then we on camera read
the ones we wrote to each other, so that was
all real. But at the end of the filming the
wedding episode, I remember turning to Jen at one point
and I said, Then she goes, what and I go
I think I'm in love with Brian again. And She's like, no, no,
not doing this again. It's been ten years. We've come
so far. Not doing this again.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Thank you Ginny for cutting that one off.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, And I was like, oh, the lines just got
so blurred. And then I have never and Brian and
I you know how close friend and I are and
I tell him everything, like I'll text him and like
we're brother and sister and like best and so close
that we can have that connection. Like what was this
the reason? Maybe the you know your relationship didn't work
because of this, and I'm like, no, no, no, And I'm
(34:08):
able to talk about things that you know, I wouldn't
be able to with him years ago. Anyway, recently we
were talking about my situation and being in love and
being crushed and being hurt and moving on and now
being single and the next chapter of my life. And
he's been so great and such a champion, and you know,
(34:30):
at times he gives me such inspiring, you know, words
of you can do it professionally and personally. And we
made some commentary and I was saying, like, no, I
was in love. I don't know, maybe I wasn't in love.
I'm not sure. No one's broken in my heart since you.
And there was like pause, pause, and I was like,
(34:52):
oh my god, this is the first time ife said
this to him in thirty years.
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